Sometimes we unknowingly get
mixed up in New Age Medicine.
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Stay tuned to meet a woman
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who thought she was doing
the right thing for her son
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but had a supernatural outcome.
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My name is Yvonne Lewis
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and you're
watching Urban Report.
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Hello and
welcome to Urban Report.
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My guest today
is Wendy Gareau...
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a woman with a
fascinating testimony.
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Welcome to Urban Report
Wendy. Thank you Yvonne.
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Wendy, when I read
what your testimony is
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what your story is, I thought,
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"Wow! I really
want to interview her"
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because it's going along
the same lines of my journey
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and so, tell us,
about your journey.
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What happened to you?
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Well, my third
son... when he was born...
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he was born with some
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life-threatening
food-borne allergies
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Life threatening? Yeah...
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he had his first
anaphylactic reaction
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when he was six-months old
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and that was his first
introduction to solid food
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and so, after that,
we had blood tests done
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and we knew the things that
he couldn't... could not have
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so we learned
how to cope with that
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and then, by the time
he was three-years-old,
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we had just met some
people that we had trusted
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and that we had
taken their word for it
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and we're like...
because at this point,
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so many people were advising us
to try so many different things
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to help our son to
see if this would help him
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and what not...
and so we tried this...
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we got referred to this doctor
and he sounded pretty scientific
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it was based on German
medicine and this new...
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New Medicine, I guess, I
don't know how to explain it
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it was kind of naturopathic
and after meeting with him
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and he just
really shared with us
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some things that were completely
different than our Pediatrician
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and then he was going to
the source of the problem
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of what was causing
him to have these reactions
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and he said, you know...
he put a lot of fear in us
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and said, "If you don't
do what I advise you to do,
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I don't know, really, what's
going to happen to your son"
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so we took his advice
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and he was six hours
away from where we live
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we're in Red Deer, Alberta,
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and this was in
Saskatoon in Saskatchewan
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so he referred us
to go see this lady
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that was in
Calgary to work on our son
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to help him with these problems
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so we took his advice we
went to go and meet with her.
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And what did you find
when you met with her?
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Well, when he told us that
she was going to work on our son
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one of the
things that he said is
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that his intestines were not
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properly placed...
they were like upside down
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or backwards and
that was what was causing
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him to produce so much histamine
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and have these
allergic reactions
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so he said that this woman
was going to work on our son
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and help place
everything properly
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and we never questioned
what he termed as "work"
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I assumed that
it was going to be
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some kind of massage therapy
or chiropractic or physiotherapy
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or something like that,
something physical in nature
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and when I went to see her
it was nothing like that at all.
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What did you find
when you went to see her?
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Well, when I went
to see her basically,
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she never touched him at all,
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except for one
specific thing that she did
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but for the most part
all the work she did was
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from the top of his head
to the bottom of his chest
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and she waved her
hands over top of him...
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like about an
inch away from his body
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and she was
breathing heavy over top of him
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but before she started doing
that... she put him to sleep
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he was only three-years-old
and he an active...
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it was hard for him to
even sit on the massage table
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in her little room
she had in her house
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but she put him to
sleep within 45 seconds
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and then, she had told me
when we first got in the room
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when she had asked me,
like, "What are you here for?"
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and I thought that was bizarre,
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I thought this doctor
would have sent the file to her
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so she would have all
the medical background
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and so, I started
sharing his medical history
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and then she stopped
me partway through...
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she said, "Don't worry,
I'm going to find out the rest
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for myself" and
before she started
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she told me to
sit down in the chair
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if I wanted to stay in the room,
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I had to sit in
the chair in the corner
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not speak and not move
unless I was invited to do so
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because she didn't want
any interruptions at all.
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Wow, so she did
something to your son
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that put him to
sleep within 45 seconds...
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Yeah, it was less than a minute.
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Did she touch him
when she put him to sleep
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or say anything? Well...
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She was just
speaking really softly,
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she was looking into his eyes
and then she just had her...
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from what I remember, her
hands were on his shoulders
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and that was it, and then,
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because her hands
were on his shoulders,
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he just kind of fell asleep
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and then she laid
him down on the bed.
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How long did she work over him?
An hour and a half... 90 minutes
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Wow! And then
time went by so quickly
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and I was just
waiting to see, okay, well...
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she's doing so much work
over his head and his chest
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and he has asthma as
well and so I thought,
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okay, well that's fine
because she's helping with
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the asthma part... maybe...
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but she never
really did a lot of work
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over top of his stomach
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which I thought was
where the physical work
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was going to happen... and
then she went down his limbs
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and it wasn't until the very end
when she was working on his legs
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because she started at the top
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and she was working her way down
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and when she got
down to his legs,
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this is when she spoke to
me and she invited me to get up
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she said, "Look at his one leg"
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and he was like flat
on the bed at this time,
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still fast asleep,
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and she said, "See his one leg
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it's kind of twisted
to the side like this
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do you notice when he walks
or runs, he walks differently?"
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I said, "No, I
don't notice anything"
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She said, "Well,
here, I'm going to fix it"
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so she took his leg,
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I guess that would
have been his right leg,
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she took it and she twisted it
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in a way that I've
never seen a leg turned
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or moved or twisted, or
that could or should move
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and then she put it back
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in a position and then she said,
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"Oh, look, see now
it's nice and straight. "
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When you... you
were sitting there
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watching this, and
she manipulated the leg
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in a way that it was just...
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supernatural.
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Yeah, it was
supernatural for sure, for sure.
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Was there anything...
what were you thinking
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during this process,
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what were you thinking when
she was breathing all over him
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and all that, so
did you think anything
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was weird or...?
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Well, I have to
admit, before we did this,
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my husband and I are baptized
Christians... we're baptized
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it will be 11
years in June for us...
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Seventh-day
Adventist Christians?
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Yeah, we're
Seventh-day Adventist Christians
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we're first generation
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and so we were
not born in the church
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we had different
influences but anyway...
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so we started our
marriage and our family
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as a unified
family but at this point
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we weren't going to
church as regularly as we were
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and we definitely were
not praying as a family
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or praying about
every single thing we did
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so I didn't pray if
we should go in here
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or anything like that
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but the one thing that
was really bizarre to me
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she wasn't doing
the work that I assumed
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she was going to do but
I was still curious to see
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what it exactly was...
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what she was doing, Right...
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and so, I continued on
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and the minute she
took authority in the room
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and told me to sit and not speak
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was almost like I was
paralyzed in the chair
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and I couldn't do
anything there anyway
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even if I had a
thought come up or a doubt,
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it was washed away
immediately with curiosity...
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and just sit
here and be patient,
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just sit there
and be quiet, right?
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And so, when she did
that to his leg I was like...
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this is... at that point,
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I was like what
kind of Voodoo is this?
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because I knew she was
almost done by this point
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Right... and then
she woke my son up
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and when she was
done, I asked her, I said,
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"So is my son
going to get better...
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are his
allergies going to go away
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is his asthma going to go away,
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do I need to come
back for more treatments?"
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And she said,
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"Well, you probably are
going to want to come back
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for more
treatments" but she's like...
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she was kind of
bewildered when I...
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was asking the questions
if he was going to get better,
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and she's like,
"Well, let me tell you this,"
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she's like, "he's
going to get stronger,
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don't be surprised
if when he's playing
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he gets tired more quickly
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like... he'd be
playing with the kids normally
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and then all of a sudden...
boom... he needs to have a nap
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like... whether
it's even in the morning
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or the afternoon,
don't be alarmed by that
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just know that
he's getting stronger
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his body is getting stronger
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and he needs to get stronger
to fight what's inside of him"
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and I was like, "Okay... "
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so I kind of tried to
justify that in my mind
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maybe it's some kind of cellular
rejuvenation kind of thing
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you know, when you're
sick you need to sleep,
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so I was like, "Okay, well
maybe that kind of makes sense"
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and then she said
that when he's playing,
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you might notice that he'll
be more aggressive with the kids
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don't be alarmed... that's him
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just getting stronger
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I was like, "Well, I
don't want him to get mean...
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and I don't want
a different child,
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I just want him to get
better" and she's like,
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"No, no, these are all the
things that need to happen"
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and so, when... after
she was done saying that
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and I was like, I had
heard a couple of things
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different kind of New
Age Medicine or whatever
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and I'd never experienced
any of those things before
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but then I just asked because
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if somebody had a
sign on the door and said,
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"Here, you're going
to be doing X, Y, Z"
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then I probably would not go and
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walk through the door, right?
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Right... But there
were no signs or...
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so I asked her... I
said, "Is this Reiki?"
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and she said... she laughed,
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she's like, "No,
this is not Reiki"
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she's like, "I don't
limit my source of energy"
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and her voice kind of changed
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and she lifted up
her hands like this
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she said, "I
use universal energy
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I don't limit my
sources of energy"
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and then after that,
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then I asked the
question I don't even know...
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I don't even feel like it was
myself that asked the question
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because I don't believe
I would have the courage
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to ask the question
to a stranger, outright,
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and I said, "Do you
believe in Jesus Christ"
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and I kind of
surprised myself when I said it
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and she looked at me
and she's like, "No... "
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and she kind of snickered
and laughed and she's like...
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"I don't
believe in any religion"
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and so, at that
point I was like,
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okay, I'm not here
for a spiritual debate
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she doesn't believe in Jesus,
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she's associating
Jesus with religion
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and that's not the
way I look at Jesus
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but I'm not here
for a spiritual debate
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and I'm just going
to leave now, so...
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Right... So, I'm sure that...
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when we go to doctors now,
many of them are not Christian
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they might be
Muslim, Hindu, whatever...
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they might be
Christian, they might not be
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so you kind of... you
can kind of let that go by
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because you're
thinking, "Well, they're not...
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they don't have
to be a Christian
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to be a physician...
my physician, whatever,
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right or wrong,
I mean, you know,
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we might let that go by
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but that situation is so
typical of that whole "New Age"
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energy work...
energy medicine...
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and you and I have
talked outside of here
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and I was telling you
that I used to practice that,
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not the... Reiki...
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right... no, no,
no, I knew Reiki was...
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there was
something wrong with Reiki
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I never worked with
that, but the acupuncture,
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and then
traditional Chinese medicine
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and all that, and so,
what I realize happens
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Wendy, is that you're curious,
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and you use that term too
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you're curious to see
how this is going to work
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how is this going to play out
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how is this
going to help my child
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because you really were
probably at your wit's end.
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Yeah... we
were... and you know what
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we were coping well with it
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we were coping well
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he seemed to be doing well
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he was growing, he
was doing well in school,
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so, all we wanted to do
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was help him have a
better quality of life
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like his brother and
sister, because we're like,
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how long is this going to happen
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we don't know if
he's going to have this
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for the rest of his life and
you know, I would feel horrible
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knowing that I didn't give and
do everything I possibly could
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to give my son
the same quality life
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as his other siblings.
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Right... So... that's all...
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and at this point
he was three-years-old
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so he was in the hospital,
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he was hospitalized at
least three or four times,
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for his asthma,
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so, that was one of
our big concerns too
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like... if he would
have an asthma attack
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and we couldn't get
it under control at home,
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and his food-borne illness,
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we know he's getting old and
he wants to go for sleepovers
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and it was really difficult
for him to go places... like...
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everyone in our church family
and everybody in our close,
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immediate family, knew his needs
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but everybody was
scared to take him
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because they didn't want
something to happen to him
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right? Right...
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so it was just... it was hard...
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so we were like we
didn't have anything to lose,
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we trusted this
doctor who seemed to have
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a scientific explanation
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for all these
things, and we were like...
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but when I left
there, all I felt like...
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is that this was
Voodoo, I told my husband,
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and I said, "Get me out of here"
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he's like, "but
what did she do?"
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I was like, "You know,
she didn't do anything,
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she put him to sleep
and like in seconds...
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and it was... " and I
explained it as a coma
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because there's
nothing that she could do
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that could wake him up,
she could take his shirt off,
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flip him on his
back, or on his stomach,
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and nothing would wake him up
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and she had control over that
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so she put him to
sleep and she woke him up,
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and I said, "It
was... it was spooky,
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...I said, "just
get me out of here"
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I don't ever want to
come back to this house again
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but what was really
bizarre is that at the same time
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I had a sister that
was doing something called,
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"Angel Empowerment Practitioner"
and she had taken a course
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and so she was
doing this other work
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and when I talked to
her about what this lady did
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she encouraged me that
it was the right thing to do
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and that she could
even do it the next time...
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she would do it for me
for free, I said, "Really?"
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And again, I was curious to see
00:14:21.16\00:14:23.12
if she really
could do these things
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because in my mind, I
didn't see anything happen
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there's nothing that she did,
my son was exactly the same,
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but we would learn quickly that
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he would, in a
short period of time,
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things would totally change.
00:14:35.37\00:14:36.87
Yeah, so, your sister practiced
"Angel Empowerment Therapy. "
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Yeah... That's exactly it
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and "Mediumship"
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And so she was a
"Medium. " Hmmm... hmmm...
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Now, had your sister been
raised as an Adventist too?
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No, see... I come
from a family of six,
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my parents are
non-denominational
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I can't say that they're
Atheist or anything like that
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because I believe
that they believe in God
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but they're
definitely non-denominational
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so we were raised in a
really confused Christian home
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where... there was no
truth... it just happened that
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I really followed
what my Grandma taught me
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since I was five-years old
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my Grandma became a
Seventh-day Adventist Christian
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when she was 65-years old,
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so I was a young
girl at that time
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and so I can really
follow what she had done
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but my younger siblings...
because I was the oldest
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they didn't get the
same influences I did
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and they had
multiple influences after that
00:15:34.76\00:15:37.03
from different churches and so,
she was just always raised...
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"Well, how come, Grandma says
this happens to dead people"
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and then somebody else says,
"Oh, no, they go to heaven"
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and so when you hear her story,
hopefully, you will someday
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because she's not...
she's a former Medium
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she's not a Medium
anymore... Praise the Lord...
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she belongs a 100
percent to Jesus Christ now
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Amen... and
so... she always says,
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"I was always
confused about the dead"
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and when you experience
death as a young person...
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as a teenager...
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and you have close people to
you that die... like we had...
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you want to know
what happened to them
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and so she went
searching for that
00:16:08.23\00:16:10.07
and that's when she
found "Mediumship" as an adult.
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Oh, so she told you
that she could do...
00:16:12.40\00:16:15.64
she could take care of your son
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she could do what that
other Practitioner did.
00:16:17.14\00:16:20.31
And I had a bondage
to money so... to me...
00:16:20.38\00:16:22.28
if she could do it for free,
00:16:22.31\00:16:23.65
well, I didn't
see any harm in it
00:16:23.68\00:16:25.01
because I didn't see that
the woman did anything anyway
00:16:25.05\00:16:27.22
even though I had a feeling
00:16:27.25\00:16:28.68
that it was spiritual
and it felt like Voodoo,
00:16:28.72\00:16:30.99
I was like... "Oh, but
she didn't do anything,
00:16:31.02\00:16:32.69
she never touched
him, so how could it hurt?"
00:16:32.72\00:16:34.36
I'm curious to see
00:16:34.39\00:16:36.26
if my sister could
really do it. Right...
00:16:36.29\00:16:38.09
And sure enough, she could.
00:16:38.16\00:16:39.53
And so she put him to
sleep too? Hmmm... hmmm...
00:16:39.56\00:16:42.43
And she breathed over him
00:16:42.46\00:16:44.50
and did all of
that? Yeah... yeah...
00:16:44.57\00:16:45.90
So, what happened to
him how did this affect him?
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Well, it was... that
summer he was four-years old
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and all of a sudden
we could start to see
00:16:53.17\00:16:54.88
that he was
starting to make some changes
00:16:54.94\00:16:56.48
but we had
already kind of forgotten
00:16:56.51\00:16:58.51
what this lady
had done in the fall
00:16:58.55\00:17:01.12
and we just
didn't connect the two,
00:17:01.18\00:17:03.62
I call it, "Spiritual
Amnesia" we just forgot
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but all of a sudden,
00:17:08.16\00:17:09.66
the personality
started to change
00:17:09.69\00:17:11.23
he started going through
those fits where he would
00:17:11.26\00:17:13.63
be really tired and
sleep for a really long time
00:17:13.73\00:17:16.00
or just be playing hard
00:17:16.03\00:17:17.97
or... then he started
getting more aggressive
00:17:18.00\00:17:19.33
and we're like...
00:17:19.37\00:17:20.74
"Oh well, it must be
because he's going through
00:17:20.77\00:17:22.17
a growth spurt or he's
just changing his personality
00:17:22.20\00:17:24.41
like he's just different
than his brother and his sister
00:17:24.44\00:17:26.57
so we can't judge him
for that he's just different.
00:17:26.61\00:17:30.35
But was he still
having the physical symptoms?
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Oh yeah... He
still had the asthma...
00:17:33.28\00:17:35.75
Yeah, yeah, none of
that was affected at all,
00:17:35.78\00:17:38.09
he still had all that but by
the time September came around
00:17:38.12\00:17:41.32
and he was starting
school, Kindergarten...
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he'd done
play-school the year before
00:17:43.12\00:17:45.29
or pre-school...
and they assured us
00:17:45.33\00:17:47.50
that he was more than
ready to go into Kindergarten
00:17:47.50\00:17:50.23
even though his
birthday was a lot later
00:17:50.27\00:17:52.57
he's a December baby,
00:17:52.63\00:17:54.00
they said... he's more
than ready for Kindergarten
00:17:54.04\00:17:57.11
put him in without hesitation
00:17:57.17\00:17:59.01
and so we did and our children
00:17:59.04\00:18:00.91
go to the
Seventh-day Adventist School
00:18:00.94\00:18:02.28
and literally... the
first day of Kindergarten
00:18:02.31\00:18:04.91
he was there, the
Principal called me
00:18:04.95\00:18:06.58
at noon and said,
00:18:06.61\00:18:07.95
"We don't know what
to do with your child,
00:18:07.98\00:18:09.42
he is uncontrollable"
00:18:09.48\00:18:11.42
I was like, I've
never gotten a call from
00:18:11.45\00:18:13.69
the school before, it's
just a small little school
00:18:13.79\00:18:16.02
and she's like,
"Wendy," she says,
00:18:16.06\00:18:17.46
"I don't know
what to do with him
00:18:17.49\00:18:19.19
he's locked
himself in the bathroom,
00:18:19.23\00:18:20.96
and he's hurting the other kids,
00:18:20.96\00:18:22.33
even the big kids that
are in the upper-grade room
00:18:22.36\00:18:25.47
and he's out of control,
he won't allow us to pray,
00:18:25.50\00:18:28.54
he's disruptive,
he won't let me teach,
00:18:28.57\00:18:31.14
he won't let us sing songs... "
00:18:31.17\00:18:33.38
I was like, "Huh... okay"
00:18:33.41\00:18:35.48
so then... shortly after that
we tried for a couple more days
00:18:35.51\00:18:38.78
and as the Principal,
00:18:38.85\00:18:41.75
my husband,
myself, made the decision,
00:18:41.78\00:18:43.39
"Maybe we should take him
out of the Christian school
00:18:43.42\00:18:45.62
and put him into
Public Schools, so he'd be...
00:18:45.69\00:18:48.32
not in a mixed
classroom and maybe
00:18:48.36\00:18:50.23
being around peers his own
age would be better for him"
00:18:50.26\00:18:53.23
and it was for a little while,
00:18:53.26\00:18:55.53
he really didn't want to
go to that school either,
00:18:55.56\00:18:58.57
but shortly after his
behavior got out of control,
00:18:58.60\00:19:01.60
wherein... every day
we would pick him up,
00:19:01.64\00:19:03.24
there would be a
report, "Darrian did this... "
00:19:03.27\00:19:05.34
or... "he was in the
Principal's office all day"
00:19:05.37\00:19:07.41
and...
00:19:07.44\00:19:08.78
for one example... I was like,
00:19:08.81\00:19:10.68
"Well, what is he
doing that's so bad?"
00:19:10.71\00:19:12.05
and she's like, "He
was chasing a little girl
00:19:12.08\00:19:14.08
trying to stab her
with a pair of scissors. "
00:19:14.15\00:19:16.22
I was like, "What?"
00:19:16.25\00:19:17.99
Or, "he was out in
the playground one day,
00:19:18.02\00:19:19.92
and it was recess,
00:19:19.95\00:19:21.29
and he climbed up
on the monkey bars"
00:19:21.32\00:19:23.29
and these are monkey bars
that are over six-feet high
00:19:23.32\00:19:25.73
they're probably
seven- or eight-feet high...
00:19:25.79\00:19:27.13
and at the very
top of the monkey bars,
00:19:27.13\00:19:29.26
he's walking across the
bar like... with no aid...
00:19:29.30\00:19:32.60
just walking
across the bar by himself
00:19:32.63\00:19:34.24
coercing the other children
to come up and do the same thing
00:19:34.27\00:19:37.31
like him, "Oh,
you need to do it,
00:19:37.34\00:19:39.07
if you don't do it,
you're not cool like me...
00:19:39.11\00:19:40.81
look how awesome this is"
and even jumping down from there
00:19:40.88\00:19:44.81
but not being harmed
but putting himself in harm
00:19:44.88\00:19:47.55
and if the kids
didn't do what he said,
00:19:47.62\00:19:49.45
he would take his coat
00:19:49.48\00:19:50.82
and try and cut their throats
with the zipper on his coat.
00:19:50.89\00:19:54.32
He was acting really bizarrely,
00:19:54.36\00:19:58.26
what happened that
time when you told him
00:19:58.29\00:20:01.93
you wanted him to go to church?
00:20:01.96\00:20:03.53
Well, this was the time when
00:20:03.57\00:20:05.70
it was really
all coming to a head,
00:20:05.73\00:20:07.70
we went to our
church... went to a campout...
00:20:07.74\00:20:11.24
we were together
and we kind of...
00:20:11.27\00:20:12.84
all saw it too...
and it was Friday night,
00:20:12.87\00:20:14.58
it was my ten-year
wedding anniversary
00:20:14.61\00:20:16.24
my husband couldn't
be there, he was at work,
00:20:16.28\00:20:18.78
and that night... God
just really revealed to me
00:20:18.81\00:20:21.35
because we were
turning into parents and people
00:20:21.38\00:20:23.69
we didn't want to
be, responding with anger
00:20:23.75\00:20:25.99
and violence...
and we're like...
00:20:26.02\00:20:28.06
"This is not normal behavior,
and it's actually turning us
00:20:28.09\00:20:32.49
into being people
that we don't want to be"
00:20:32.53\00:20:34.23
and I asked some of my
other sisters from the church
00:20:34.30\00:20:37.97
I said, "Do you guys
have any advice for me?"
00:20:38.00\00:20:40.10
All they're like...
all they had was sympathy,
00:20:40.17\00:20:42.00
they're like, "We
have no idea of what to do"
00:20:42.04\00:20:43.84
and that night
God revealed to me
00:20:43.94\00:20:46.34
through a book...
what was happening.
00:20:46.37\00:20:49.11
And so... he kept
me up all night long
00:20:49.14\00:20:51.78
like praying and revealing
exactly what was happening
00:20:51.81\00:20:55.75
and in the morning
when we were getting ready
00:20:55.78\00:20:58.25
I told God, I said,
"God if this is real
00:20:58.32\00:21:00.96
and this is really an
example of demon possession,
00:21:00.99\00:21:03.32
give me an
example... either... "
00:21:03.36\00:21:05.26
see what happened was that...
00:21:05.29\00:21:06.63
I had a book that
the Pastor gave me
00:21:06.70\00:21:08.26
called, "Beyond Medicine"
00:21:08.30\00:21:09.83
and I had gone to my
Pastor in the fall when I was
00:21:09.86\00:21:13.03
doing studies on my own,
00:21:13.07\00:21:14.80
my sister and I
were studying the Bible
00:21:14.84\00:21:16.17
this was when she had
come out of Mediumship,
00:21:16.20\00:21:18.07
and I went to my Pastor
00:21:18.11\00:21:20.84
and I shared some
of the experiences
00:21:20.88\00:21:22.31
and he immediately said,
00:21:22.34\00:21:23.85
he said, "I have
no experience in this,
00:21:23.91\00:21:26.05
I have no
experience with any of this,
00:21:26.08\00:21:28.15
and I don't know
anything about this,
00:21:28.18\00:21:30.19
I believe it's real, I
believe the great controversy
00:21:30.25\00:21:32.69
is real between good and evil,
00:21:32.72\00:21:34.06
but here's a book and Dr.
Rambally comes from St Lucia
00:21:34.12\00:21:38.36
he was Consulting or
the Chief Medical Officer
00:21:38.43\00:21:42.10
on the Island
00:21:42.13\00:21:43.50
as well as the
Consulting Psychiatrist
00:21:43.53\00:21:45.33
and he has lots of
experience with demon possession
00:21:45.37\00:21:47.80
and spiritual
things, read his book
00:21:47.84\00:21:50.34
if you can believe it or not,
he lives in Sylvan Lake now,
00:21:50.37\00:21:53.41
in the town where we're
from and he goes to our church
00:21:53.44\00:21:56.01
I said, "What...
really?" and he said, "Yeah"
00:21:56.04\00:21:59.38
and so God
inspired me to take the book
00:21:59.41\00:22:01.85
and finish that book that night,
and there was a story in there
00:22:01.88\00:22:05.12
about an
eight-year-old little boy
00:22:05.15\00:22:06.86
from St Lucia that had
been possessed by a spirit
00:22:06.89\00:22:10.99
and all of his characteristics,
and reports from the Principal
00:22:11.03\00:22:14.63
and school
teachers and his grandmother
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were the same as my experience
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but I said, "Oh, that
only happens in the Caribbean"
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Hmmm... and then he said,
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the next very story was about
a woman from Alberta, Canada
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and I was like, "Oh my goodness"
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well that's two things
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I completely
thought was impossible
00:22:29.38\00:22:30.71
I thought children
couldn't be affected
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by evil forces
like that and I thought
00:22:32.81\00:22:34.88
it only happens in like...
those third world countries
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Africa and South America
and Mexico and the Caribbean,
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where they actually do practice
Voodoo and stuff like that
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it doesn't happen in
Canada, but I was like
00:22:43.53\00:22:45.76
"If it can happen to a child,
then it can happen in Canada,
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it can happen to
my child in Canada"
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so I prayed, I said,
"God, if this is real,
00:22:50.10\00:22:52.53
maybe Dr. Rambally
will come here by a miracle
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and I'll meet him
and he can meet Darrian"
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but God told me, He was like,
00:22:56.84\00:22:58.67
"Wendy, don't put a
limit on me" like...
00:22:58.71\00:23:01.24
"just trust me... just trust me"
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and so the next morning
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even though I was
really looking for a sign,
00:23:05.65\00:23:08.05
I never wanted to
get a sign like this,
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we were getting
ready to go to church
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all the children were ready
00:23:11.95\00:23:13.29
and Darrian was the only
one still up causing mischief
00:23:13.36\00:23:16.32
and I got him to come in
bath and I was getting dressed
00:23:16.36\00:23:19.53
and I was on my knees
buttoning up his little shirt
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and he's like,
"Where are we going?"
00:23:21.73\00:23:23.43
and I said,
00:23:23.47\00:23:25.13
"we're going to
church, we're going downstairs"
00:23:25.17\00:23:27.84
and he's like, "I'm
not going to church"
00:23:27.87\00:23:30.01
and he yelled out
loud and I was like,
00:23:30.07\00:23:32.11
"Of course we're
going to church,"
00:23:32.17\00:23:33.54
I said, "we're
here to worship Jesus"
00:23:33.58\00:23:34.91
and then his face
changed and his voice changed,
00:23:34.94\00:23:37.51
he's like, "I hate
Jesus, I love Satan"
00:23:37.55\00:23:42.12
and I've never
even heard my child
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even use the
word "Satan" before,
00:23:44.72\00:23:47.22
and I said, "What
did you just say?"
00:23:47.26\00:23:49.66
and he repeated
himself... and I grabbed...
00:23:49.69\00:23:52.33
With a different
voice? But it wasn't him,
00:23:52.36\00:23:54.93
it was not even his voice,
his voice completely changed
00:23:54.96\00:23:58.03
it got really coarse
00:23:58.07\00:23:59.40
and raspy... like a
really deep and kind of scratchy
00:23:59.43\00:24:03.81
and I gave him a hug,
00:24:03.84\00:24:05.84
and I started
praying as loud as I could,
00:24:05.87\00:24:08.71
I was on my knees
and I held on to him
00:24:08.74\00:24:11.41
because he's only five-years
old so I grabbed on to him
00:24:11.45\00:24:14.32
and I started praying out
loud, as loud as I could...
00:24:14.35\00:24:17.09
one of the prayers
I had read that night
00:24:17.12\00:24:19.62
by Dr. Rambally
that was in his book
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I started praying like
that "I rebuke you Satan,
00:24:23.02\00:24:26.13
and you must leave and
in the name of Jesus Christ
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you must leave
this child right now"
00:24:29.13\00:24:30.67
and he fought me with a
strength that I've never...
00:24:30.73\00:24:33.94
he was actually,
physically hurting me,
00:24:34.00\00:24:37.17
to get away from me,
and I had to let go of him
00:24:37.21\00:24:40.34
and as he left, he
went down the hallway
00:24:40.38\00:24:42.58
he just looked at me and
gave me the most evil stare
00:24:42.61\00:24:45.41
and just like...
"there's no way you can beat me"
00:24:45.45\00:24:48.22
like... "what
are you trying to do"
00:24:48.25\00:24:50.35
and I'm telling
you that entire service
00:24:50.39\00:24:53.52
was probably the
most hardest service
00:24:53.56\00:24:55.76
I've ever gone
through in my life,
00:24:55.79\00:24:58.03
he's there and he's being so bad
00:24:58.06\00:25:00.46
and so disruptive
and I was so afraid
00:25:00.53\00:25:03.47
and I had so much guilt because
00:25:03.50\00:25:04.90
I knew God had
shared with me that night
00:25:04.93\00:25:07.94
I paid a woman to put an
evil spirit into my child.
00:25:07.97\00:25:12.67
And how... that had to
just be so overwhelming for you
00:25:12.71\00:25:17.45
overwhelming...
00:25:17.48\00:25:19.38
I felt like my body
was being split in half
00:25:19.41\00:25:21.68
like the good and the evil
00:25:21.72\00:25:23.89
because the devil
was trying tell me,
00:25:23.92\00:25:26.12
"This isn't
real, this isn't true,"
00:25:26.15\00:25:27.82
and "if you tell anybody,
00:25:27.86\00:25:29.32
your husband's
going to leave you
00:25:29.36\00:25:30.73
and everybody is going
to... this is crazy... "
00:25:30.83\00:25:33.60
and then I just
knew God was saying,
00:25:33.63\00:25:36.16
"Wendy, you know what you saw,
00:25:36.20\00:25:37.67
you know what
you've been living with,
00:25:37.70\00:25:39.40
trust me... "
00:25:39.43\00:25:40.80
How did God deliver you from it,
00:25:40.84\00:25:42.70
how did He deliver Darrian?
00:25:42.74\00:25:44.07
So, we met with Dr.
Rambally, and did an assessment
00:25:44.11\00:25:48.24
and he said 100 percent...
00:25:48.28\00:25:49.61
"I believe that your son is
inflicted with an evil demon"
00:25:49.64\00:25:52.91
and so we got
Elders who started fasting,
00:25:52.95\00:25:55.72
and he said, "I'm
going to call... "
00:25:55.78\00:25:57.35
we had prayer
from around the world
00:25:57.39\00:25:58.82
he had his prayer
partners from around the world
00:25:58.89\00:26:00.89
praying at the
same time, and he said,
00:26:00.92\00:26:03.56
"We need to fast
and pray right away"
00:26:03.59\00:26:06.16
and so we started, my
husband came home from work
00:26:06.19\00:26:08.66
based on an
emergency, and for three hours
00:26:08.73\00:26:13.10
we prayed over my
son, we sang songs
00:26:13.13\00:26:15.64
and the most
powerful song that we sang
00:26:15.67\00:26:18.17
was "Jesus loves me" Hmmm...
00:26:18.21\00:26:20.08
every time we
sang, "Jesus loves me"
00:26:20.11\00:26:22.21
something happened
and you could just feel
00:26:22.24\00:26:24.05
his whole body tremble
00:26:24.08\00:26:25.41
and he was trying
to get away from us,
00:26:25.45\00:26:26.82
and then there would
be a little bit of relief
00:26:26.85\00:26:28.75
but we prayed and fasted
00:26:28.78\00:26:31.72
and we had a
complete deliverance
00:26:31.75\00:26:33.79
when Darrian was done,
he said the Lord's Prayer
00:26:33.86\00:26:35.99
he repeated
Psalm 23, he gave me...
00:26:36.02\00:26:39.39
he went from being a little
child that wanted to kill me
00:26:39.46\00:26:41.80
and was
shooting me with his eyes
00:26:41.83\00:26:43.63
and saying how much he hated me
00:26:43.67\00:26:45.37
like... "Give me a hug"
and when I said, "I love you"
00:26:45.43\00:26:47.30
he said, "Of course you love
me" he's like, "I love you too"
00:26:47.34\00:26:49.97
he came and gave me
a hug and yeah... so...
00:26:50.01\00:26:52.77
we started a new
life from that moment on
00:26:52.81\00:26:55.58
February 24th, 2014,
00:26:55.61\00:26:57.61
our new life
started from that moment on.
00:26:57.65\00:27:00.38
Amen... look at
God, look at how...
00:27:00.45\00:27:03.85
yes... you went
through this dark time
00:27:03.92\00:27:07.29
but God made sure
that you came out of it.
00:27:07.32\00:27:10.86
Yeah... Thank you so much
00:27:10.89\00:27:12.39
for being with us
00:27:12.43\00:27:13.76
I'm so
appreciative of your testimony
00:27:13.83\00:27:16.60
it's so
powerful... Thank you Yvonne.
00:27:16.67\00:27:18.90
1st Timothy 4:1 says,
00:27:18.93\00:27:21.17
"Now the Spirit
speaketh expressly,
00:27:21.20\00:27:23.14
that in the latter times
00:27:23.17\00:27:24.51
some shall
depart from the faith,
00:27:24.54\00:27:26.41
giving heed to seducing spirits,
00:27:26.44\00:27:28.31
and doctrines of devils"
00:27:28.34\00:27:30.15
we are in the last days
00:27:30.18\00:27:31.88
when Satan
stepped up his activities
00:27:31.91\00:27:33.95
and seeks to
deceive God's people
00:27:34.02\00:27:36.02
be sober and be vigilant.
00:27:36.05\00:27:38.25
If you have a question
00:27:38.32\00:27:40.46
concerning some
practice or philosophy,
00:27:40.49\00:27:42.59
research it, find out its roots,
00:27:42.62\00:27:44.96
don't just
accept it at face value
00:27:44.99\00:27:47.23
God's Spirit will
lead you into all truth.
00:27:47.30\00:27:50.87
Well, we've reached
the end of another Program.
00:27:50.93\00:27:53.50
Thank you so much for joining us
00:27:53.60\00:27:55.20
join us next time,
00:27:55.24\00:27:56.57
because it just wouldn't
be the same without you.
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