When I met today's guest I
knew he had a story to tell...
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stay tuned to
hear it for yourself...
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My name is Yvonne
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Hello and welcome
to Urban Report...
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My guest today is Timothy Lawson
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aka Tim...
Evangelist for CFO which is
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Christ Frontline Operations
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and Chef on Dare to
Dream's Chew's Challenge...
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Welcome to Urban Report, Tim...
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Thank you for having me...
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how are you
guys doing out there?
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Doing great, doing great,
we had so much fun when you
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and Chef Chew and Tina were here
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and you did Chew's Challenge
that was such a blessing...
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Oh, that was a
blast, yeah, I loved it...
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and it's airing now...
and people are writing in
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and calling... they love
it... they want the recipes
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so, it's really good and
we're going to air it again
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so that they can watch it again,
and those who haven't seen it,
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can watch it... so,
it's really a blessing...
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Hmmm... okay... I'm glad...
I just praise the Lord...
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for everything He's
done... Amen... amen... so...
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when you were
here... I could tell...
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we didn't get to
talk much but I could tell
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that there's a story behind you,
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you have such
passion for the Lord
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and such fervor... when
did you start feeling like
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you really wanted to serve God?
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Well, that's interesting...
here's the story...
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it's kind of a
long story but I...
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We have time...
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so, I'll start
from the beginning...
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I grew up in Church...
3rd-generation Adventist
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probably like most people,
but it was just Church, you know
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you go to Church on the
weekend, keep the Sabbath
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from Friday night
to Saturday night...
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and then kind of
do whatever you want
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during the rest of the week
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and then... when I
was 17 years old...
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I had sat in a
Revelation Seminar
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this was my first Tent Meeting,
my first Tent Meeting...
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an Evangelist came and man!
he preached the 3 Angels Message
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and I was in there taking notes
and I went home and studied
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and researched
everything he said...
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and I just couldn't believe that
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this whole time I
had this message...
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and I just got on
fire for the Lord...
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and I just started doing
everything you could think...
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going door to door,
colporteuring, week of prayers,
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preaching, teaching,
just anything, you name it...
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and so, that's what I did
for about two and a half years
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and what happened after
that is... I had my roots...
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but my roots weren't that deep
and the devil got a hold of me
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and then I
drifted off into the world
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and we can talk more about that
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I'm just giving a quick
synopsis right now and...
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ever since 2011... the
Lord has brought me back in
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so... I just feel so
passionate and privileged
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to be here... because
I could not be here...
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I almost feel like I'm
not supposed to be here...
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Wow! as a person that knew...
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it wasn't like I was confused...
I knew everything the Bible said
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and I chose...
like the prodigal son...
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one of my favorite stories...
I was in the Father's house
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and I chose to leave...
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and for the Father
to welcome me back...
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with open arms...
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I just think that I
can never repay Him back...
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so, I'll spend the rest
of my life... trying to...
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That's so beautiful...
isn't it interesting how
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when you're born into
so to speak "a Church"
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sometimes you take
everything for granted...
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it's like...
you're into the ritual...
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you go to Church...
you have Sabbath lunch...
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but it's all just
a bunch of rituals
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until... something happens...
to quicken that spirit...
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and the Holy Spirit
quickened your spirit...
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and you... got on fire
for God, and then, of course,
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Satan was mad
because he wanted you back...
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and so, he began to
insert himself into your life...
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was it the people that
you were hanging with...
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was it... what
you were watching...
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was it video games or hip
hop... what was it that drew you
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back away from God?
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It was... he used
all those things...
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but I think the foundational
principle was really having
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a relationship
with Jesus... Hmmm...
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really being in love with Him,
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versus just in
love with the message...
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and in the way it sounds...
and the truth of it all...
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which is all good...
and which you still need...
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but you need to
really see Christ
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in every word and every line...
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and just know that you
guys have a relationship
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and so... since I
didn't have that...
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as soon as my first
little trials came...
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they weren't
even that important,
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but I thought they
were important to me...
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they just get you
down and discouraged...
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you know, and so you start
to question your experience
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you start to question
"well, was this really true"
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because when most
people come into the Church
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they are not
really taught how to pray
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and labor with
God on their knees
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and they're not
really taught that
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though you've given
your heart to the Lord...
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there are still
going to be rough times...
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and Jesus is still going to
be there with you through them
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it doesn't mean He
doesn't love you...
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it doesn't mean He's not
going to be there with you...
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and not having that
foundational part...
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and this isn't
anybody else's fault
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but I always
attributed to this...
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a lot of times young men
and young ladies get converted
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in the Church... and
there's no older person
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or discipleship to kind
of guide them through their
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conversion process and
they can pick up a lot of
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good things and bad things
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and sometimes they get on
fire, and leave the Church
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because there's no kind
of mentoring... and so...
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all those things happen
and what happened was that
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the devil started
taking me out step by step...
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and his first tool
was... it was the women...
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I had given
everything to the Lord
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but I gave him 99 percent...
I kept like one thing for myself
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I had a problem I
was struggling with
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and I just figured that...
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I never thought that that
thing would move me all the way
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from the Lord...
but he used that...
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and then he used the music...
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Well, before you go
before you go past that...
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let's stay on
that for a second...
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Okay... that's a
very important piece
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one of the things that I
see a lot in our Churches is
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that whole idea...
"Well, sex is over here...
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and everything else...
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'okay, okay,
Lord, help me with this'
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but I don't want you
to help me with that"
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Right... yeah...
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Or... it's like,
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"Well, I'm still going to Church
and I'm still serving the Lord
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but... I can do
this... it's okay...
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everybody's doing it... "
and I think it gets justified...
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it gets rationalized...
it gets minimized...
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and we really have...
that's why Dare to Dream
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has "Pure
Choices" Right... yes...
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because sexual sin...
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is a very, very
deep... deep-seated
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kind of sin that people tend
to think is not that deep...
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is not... you know...
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"How can it be that wrong
two people love each other"
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well, if it's outside of
that context of marriage...
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God says, "No" it's "No"
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It's "No" it's an abomination...
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it starts at the very
root and the foundation
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of who we are... God
likens that act between
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a man and a woman to a
relationship with Him...
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and when you do it
outside of marriage...
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it's a perversion... Hmmm...
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when people usually
think about sexual perversion
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people think about, maybe
homosexuality or child abuse
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or any kind of other
things but they never think of
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of a man and a
woman outside of marriage
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as that being a perversion
but it is a perversion
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and it's not only just...
it's just not even talked about
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in the Church... it's
just kind of glossed over
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and not looked at...
and because it's not talked
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about in the Churches...
the devil is having a field day
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he's speaking about it,
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he talks to the youth
about it a hundred times a day
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a hundred miles an hour...
and because he's given that...
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because it's not
talked about, the beauty...
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one of the beautiful things
that the Lord showed us in
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Genesis... is...
even though something is
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natural to do...
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you still need to do...
whether God did it or not...
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all Eve did was
eat a piece of fruit...
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and I'm sure it was the
healthiest piece of fruit
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on the face of this earth...
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I'm sure it was a
delicious piece of fruit
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and there was nothing wrong
with her eating the fruit...
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but that piece of
fruit... God told her,
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"Don't eat that one"
and it's the same thing,
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sex is natural...
it's a gift from God...
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it's beautiful
between a man and a woman
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in the marriage context,
but only in that context...
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and when it's out
of that context...
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God says, "Don't touch it"
because it's as destructive
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as when Eve ate the fruit,
and so we don't realize that
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because it's natural...
and because we have an urge
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we think that...
I can't help it...
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and Christ came to give us power
over everything... and so...
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Amen... and so...
we need to seek God
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to be a part of
every part of our lives...
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and not compartmentalize...
"This is okay... but this isn't"
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you know...
Exactly... it's so dangerous
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it comes with surrender...
whether it's your dress...
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or whether it's your appetite,
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whether it's your friends
that you hang out with...
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Everybody loves the
Jesus that died for you
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and saved you from your
sins but nobody likes the Jesus
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that says... "I'm God...
there's no other before me...
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and why do you call
me 'Lord... Lord... '
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and not do the
things that I say"
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and so, both of
those characteristics
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are in Him... and it's wonderful
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because everything He
tells us is the healthiest thing
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and it's the best
thing for us, That's right...
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but when you
start to pick and choose
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in your religious experience
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what God can have you
and what God cannot have...
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you leave a door
open for Satan...
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and he just drops in a
little poison at a time...
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just drop by drop... he
doesn't want to scare you
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and so he just leads
you out nice and steadily...
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and that's what happened to me,
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I was dealing with
a problem for a while
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and it hadn't
affected my spirituality
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so I thought I was still...
doing the work as it were...
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but I still had that problem,
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but it just gradually
opened the door for other things
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and other things...
and by the time I got out
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you know they say, you know...
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when the house was
swept... 7 more demons came in
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I was worse than I
ever could have started...
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Absolutely... well
that's how the enemy operates
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just like you said...
everything is... it's gradual...
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he doesn't do it all at
once, it's really gradual...
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it's kind of like drifting...
when you're at sea...
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Yeah... you just
kind of drift slowly
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and before you know it... you're
so far away from the shore
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and that's how he rolls...
that's how he operates...
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and so... that... okay so
that issue was the first thing
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the woman issue...
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with everything that
kind of goes along with that
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because it is a constellation
of sins that go along with that
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Exactly... and
so we have that...
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so what was the other
thing that drew you away?
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Well, you have
that and so then now
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since you are in that atmosphere
with the opposite sex...
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then almost
everything else comes along...
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then you want to
dress and impress them...
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you want to go places they
go... and it started out...
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it's going to sound so
silly what I'm about to say
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this is just how the
devil drifted me out...
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he creates an appetite for
stuff and so when I got home...
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I wouldn't party and everything
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but at least I
would go out on dates...
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when you got home
from... oh you mean at night?
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from Howard...
Oh, from Howard...
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from College...
so... about this time...
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I was already home
in Sacramento... now
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trying to finish school...
and things weren't working out
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and so... it
started with the radio...
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I wouldn't buy any Rap...
I wouldn't buy any R and B...
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but I'll just listen
to songs on the radio...
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because they don't have cursing
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and stuff... so
it's okay... right?
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No... no... started
with R and B first...
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I won't listen to Rap...
but I'll listen to R and B...
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why? because it's about
love right... just love songs...
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they're okay... so I'd
listen to those on the radio
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and then... after
those songs played...
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and then some Rap
songs would play...
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"Well, it's okay for
me to listen to these...
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they don't have any
heavy cursing in it... right?"
00:12:52.97\00:12:54.70
and so I started on
this path for a long time
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until obviously... I
was buying my own CDs...
00:12:57.41\00:13:00.01
buying my own things...
00:13:00.04\00:13:01.54
and you can't
just "talk the talk"
00:13:01.58\00:13:03.45
once you're in the world...
00:13:03.48\00:13:04.85
I'm always the person that...
if I'm going to do something,
00:13:04.88\00:13:08.52
I'm going to do
it a 100 percent...
00:13:08.55\00:13:09.88
so since now I am... you
know... "cool" or "in the world"
00:13:09.92\00:13:15.42
or doing what I
wanted to do... then...
00:13:15.46\00:13:17.06
I might as well
try everything...
00:13:17.09\00:13:18.43
and so I wouldn't
smoke cigarettes at first
00:13:18.46\00:13:20.63
and... just smoked
cigars... and then...
00:13:20.70\00:13:22.83
after the cigarettes
I wouldn't do drugs...
00:13:22.86\00:13:24.93
so I said, "okay...
let me just try Marijuana"
00:13:24.97\00:13:27.00
and then... after Marijuana...
00:13:27.04\00:13:29.14
"okay, I won't put a needle
in my vein... " as it were...
00:13:29.17\00:13:32.44
"but maybe I'll try Cocaine"
and then... after that...
00:13:32.47\00:13:35.64
I didn't like to
spend money on it...
00:13:35.68\00:13:37.05
so now, to justify the
fact that I do these things...
00:13:37.11\00:13:40.18
"let me sell them now... so
at least I can make money off
00:13:40.22\00:13:43.25
of them... while
I'm doing it... "
00:13:43.28\00:13:44.62
before I know it... you're
talking about an Adventist kid
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and you wouldn't be
able to notice him...
00:13:47.56\00:13:49.56
from a regular,
worldly person...
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I'd dress the same...
my body is tattooed...
00:13:51.96\00:13:54.96
I had drugs in
my pocket to take...
00:13:55.00\00:13:56.87
I had drugs in
my pocket to sell...
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my mouth is as
filthy as any person...
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standing on the street corner
and I went in this spiral...
00:14:03.17\00:14:07.84
for about 8 or 9 years...
and then... "this was my life"
00:14:07.88\00:14:11.88
you know... and
I justified it...
00:14:11.91\00:14:13.42
"as I tried the
Adventism, I tried that...
00:14:13.45\00:14:15.45
that didn't work for me... "
00:14:15.48\00:14:16.99
"I know God is real...
but it's not all that serious"
00:14:17.02\00:14:21.09
and the devil... he
just... he's good at lying...
00:14:21.12\00:14:25.13
and if you listen to him...
it will confuse and deceive you.
00:14:25.16\00:14:29.76
So, wow! so you went from...
kind of being apathetic...
00:14:29.80\00:14:36.57
right... in the
beginning... Right...
00:14:36.60\00:14:39.04
to going to that
Revelation Seminar
00:14:39.07\00:14:41.44
and going on fire for
the Lord to ending up...
00:14:41.48\00:14:45.88
drifting back out...
through women, through music,
00:14:45.91\00:14:50.32
Right... through drugs...
00:14:50.35\00:14:52.35
just ending up being
on the outside again...
00:14:52.39\00:14:56.06
but this time... this
time... you're not apathetic
00:14:56.09\00:14:59.36
this time... you're cold...
00:14:59.39\00:15:00.90
this time... you are
like... just out there...
00:15:00.93\00:15:04.97
with the drugs
and all that stuff...
00:15:05.00\00:15:07.20
and isn't it amazing, Tim,
that... in spite of that...
00:15:07.24\00:15:11.34
in spite of everything...
God still had His hand on you...
00:15:11.37\00:15:15.44
and you know He did...
00:15:15.48\00:15:16.81
He still had his hand on me
and I would get to the point
00:15:16.85\00:15:20.48
where He brought me
back in in a second...
00:15:20.52\00:15:23.69
it was just so interesting...
00:15:23.72\00:15:25.35
just the way He even took
care of me... out there...
00:15:25.39\00:15:27.66
Yes... tell us... tell us...
00:15:27.69\00:15:29.96
we would be in
instances... I'll name two...
00:15:29.99\00:15:33.06
I remember one time...
we were sitting there...
00:15:33.09\00:15:35.90
and we were smoking
drugs we smoked Marijuana...
00:15:35.93\00:15:38.60
me and Javed... and
then... my friend...
00:15:38.63\00:15:43.30
he started staring at me, I
was staring at him and I said,
00:15:43.37\00:15:45.74
"Do you feel that?"
and he was like... "Yeah"
00:15:45.77\00:15:48.98
and I said, "It just
feels weird around here"
00:15:49.01\00:15:51.98
it feels like...
"we need to leave"
00:15:52.01\00:15:53.35
and he was like, "yeah,
let's just get out of here"
00:15:53.38\00:15:56.12
Was he an
ex-Adventist too? Yes, he is...
00:15:56.15\00:15:59.15
Okay... all my
friends in the world...
00:15:59.19\00:16:01.56
they were all
ex-Adventists... Okay...
00:16:01.59\00:16:03.86
so, picture that, you know,
like four or five Ex-Adventists,
00:16:03.93\00:16:09.03
Seventh-day Adventists
going to the Club and acting
00:16:09.06\00:16:12.20
the worst... but at any rate...
00:16:12.23\00:16:14.10
when we left that parking
lot, about 30 minutes later
00:16:14.14\00:16:18.21
that parking lot got shot up...
00:16:18.24\00:16:19.57
and we were like...
00:16:19.61\00:16:22.11
because we got a phone
call and this man's like,
00:16:22.14\00:16:24.18
"Oh, did you just hear
what happened at the Karos?"
00:16:24.21\00:16:26.18
and we were just
there... somebody was there...
00:16:26.21\00:16:28.22
and they were doing
just what we were doing...
00:16:28.25\00:16:30.35
sitting in there and
smoking and talking to girls...
00:16:30.39\00:16:32.52
and he got hit by a stray bullet
and so, little stuff like that
00:16:32.55\00:16:36.93
would happen... I
can remember vividly...
00:16:36.96\00:16:39.26
it was me... Javed, Tariq, Adam,
00:16:39.29\00:16:42.36
another friend we
had called Mike...
00:16:42.40\00:16:45.43
and we had gone to this Club
00:16:45.47\00:16:47.17
and we had gone there with
some of our lady friends...
00:16:47.20\00:16:51.37
and inside the Club, a
group of African American guys
00:16:51.44\00:16:54.41
a group of Mexican
guys, they got into a fight...
00:16:54.44\00:16:57.35
so they got in a fight...
we're fighting and everything,
00:16:57.38\00:16:59.88
Club got shut
down, we walk out...
00:16:59.91\00:17:01.72
the fight wasn't over
though everybody thought it was
00:17:01.78\00:17:05.49
and so Javed was
talking to this girl...
00:17:05.52\00:17:08.56
and she said...
00:17:08.59\00:17:10.26
"hold on, get in
the car and talk to me"
00:17:10.29\00:17:12.43
and because he
stopped, we all stopped...
00:17:12.46\00:17:14.50
well, when we stopped,
right then at that moment,
00:17:14.53\00:17:17.23
we heard twelve
gun shots right...
00:17:17.27\00:17:19.00
and so the Black
guys had circled around
00:17:19.03\00:17:21.64
to finish the job
they started in the car...
00:17:21.70\00:17:24.27
and they shot one
of the Mexican guys
00:17:24.31\00:17:26.57
the other Mexican guy
ran into the parking lot
00:17:26.61\00:17:29.84
they pulled aside...
and then they shot again
00:17:29.88\00:17:32.65
about 10 or 12 times...
and hit the other guy...
00:17:32.71\00:17:35.45
and I'm assuming that
00:17:35.48\00:17:37.12
it was the guys
that were in the Club,
00:17:37.15\00:17:38.49
that they were
fighting with at any rate...
00:17:38.52\00:17:41.52
and so we heard
this... and me and Adam looked
00:17:41.56\00:17:43.32
and we saw the guy on the ground
and he had got hit on the head
00:17:43.36\00:17:46.43
so, we were like...
"Okay, let's go get the ladies
00:17:46.46\00:17:48.46
let's go get Javed,
it's time for us to go...
00:17:48.50\00:17:50.50
leave him here"
00:17:50.53\00:17:52.07
we walked to the car
that we all rode in...
00:17:52.10\00:17:55.50
it was Adam's girlfriend's
car, now his wife...
00:17:55.54\00:17:58.87
and they had shot
through her car...
00:17:58.91\00:18:01.68
because the guy
was next to her car...
00:18:01.71\00:18:04.41
so, when we got to the
car, the guy who had got hit
00:18:04.45\00:18:07.75
was lying on the
ground... next to the car...
00:18:07.78\00:18:10.19
he's hit in the head...
00:18:10.22\00:18:11.55
blood and fluid are
leaking out of his head
00:18:11.62\00:18:14.49
Adam is holding his
hand, talking to him,
00:18:14.52\00:18:16.46
telling him to "hold on"
waiting for the paramedics
00:18:16.52\00:18:18.79
all the cops come...
they didn't know who we were
00:18:18.83\00:18:21.50
so they drew guns on
us, and so now, here I am,
00:18:21.53\00:18:24.17
you know, I could
be at home, in my bed,
00:18:24.20\00:18:27.77
but I'm lying on the
cold, concrete ground,
00:18:27.80\00:18:30.81
next to a guy, who...
half of his head is out
00:18:30.87\00:18:34.28
you know, couple of
inches away from me...
00:18:34.31\00:18:37.65
with police
guns drawn on my back
00:18:37.68\00:18:39.85
and the car that we were in
00:18:39.88\00:18:41.72
has a bullet hole through it,
00:18:41.75\00:18:43.52
and so... if Javed
wouldn't have stopped
00:18:43.55\00:18:46.15
to talk to that girl,
and we wouldn't have paused,
00:18:46.19\00:18:48.32
we would have been
in that parking lot
00:18:48.36\00:18:50.93
when they decided to
shoot at that other guy...
00:18:50.96\00:18:54.33
and there were many
more instances like that...
00:18:54.36\00:18:56.73
but the Lord just...
just little stuff like that
00:18:56.77\00:18:59.07
to preserve me... because...
00:18:59.10\00:19:01.37
and I want all the youth
00:19:01.40\00:19:03.30
to hear exactly
what I'm about to say
00:19:03.34\00:19:05.57
"I knew the
truth... and I was out
00:19:05.61\00:19:07.78
if I would have
perished out there
00:19:07.81\00:19:09.88
that would have been
it for me" That's right...
00:19:09.91\00:19:12.41
my probation would have closed
there would have been no...
00:19:12.45\00:19:15.68
I knew exactly what I was doing
and I chose to do otherwise...
00:19:15.72\00:19:18.95
and the Lord is a
righteous judge...
00:19:18.99\00:19:20.62
and that would
have been it for me...
00:19:20.66\00:19:22.22
but He preserved
me... for some odd reason...
00:19:22.26\00:19:26.93
little stuff like that...
places I had no business being
00:19:26.96\00:19:30.60
doing stuff I had
no business doing...
00:19:30.67\00:19:33.03
He waited... and
He preserved me...
00:19:33.07\00:19:35.30
and those were the kinds of the
things that were happening...
00:19:35.34\00:19:37.17
when we were out... we
were always "missed out"
00:19:37.21\00:19:40.11
in the nick of
time... as it were...
00:19:40.14\00:19:42.24
Yes, yes, and there's no
"luck" in God... you know...
00:19:42.31\00:19:47.55
No... no...
There's no such thing as
00:19:47.58\00:19:49.02
"Oh you were lucky
you didn't get hit... "
00:19:49.05\00:19:51.45
No... God had His hand on you...
00:19:51.49\00:19:53.86
so, how did you work your way...
00:19:53.89\00:19:56.22
no... wrong choice of words...
00:19:56.26\00:19:58.76
how did God get a
hold of you... Yes...
00:19:58.79\00:20:00.96
because it's not
about your works...
00:20:01.00\00:20:03.06
how did He get a hold
of you and bring you into
00:20:03.13\00:20:06.33
your CFO Ministry?
00:20:06.37\00:20:08.70
Well, I already had
a stubborn nature...
00:20:08.77\00:20:13.07
but being out in the world,
00:20:13.11\00:20:14.44
they teach you to
get stuff on your own...
00:20:14.48\00:20:15.98
especially hip-hop music...
they create this pride in you
00:20:16.01\00:20:19.71
so... me knowing the truth...
it was almost seemingly no way
00:20:19.78\00:20:23.45
you know, nobody
could knock on my door
00:20:23.49\00:20:25.32
and tell me about the Sabbath...
that wasn't going to work...
00:20:25.35\00:20:28.22
nobody could tell
me about Revelation...
00:20:28.26\00:20:29.92
that wasn't going to work,
I knew about those things...
00:20:29.96\00:20:33.70
and so what God did...
00:20:33.73\00:20:35.93
is that... I wasn't
scared of anything in my life
00:20:35.96\00:20:38.93
not any pride in myself...
but I just wasn't afraid of
00:20:38.97\00:20:42.54
certain things... I knew
that every cause has an effect
00:20:42.57\00:20:46.07
and if you do certain things...
certain things will happen...
00:20:46.14\00:20:48.18
so there was no need
to be afraid of life...
00:20:48.21\00:20:49.88
you make
decisions... you make choices...
00:20:49.91\00:20:51.51
you live with them...
but I was always afraid of
00:20:51.55\00:20:54.48
getting my
daughter taken from me...
00:20:54.52\00:20:56.38
I never wanted to be
parted from my daughter...
00:20:56.42\00:20:58.92
I had a daughter...
when I was out there...
00:20:58.95\00:21:01.39
her name is Anaya... she's
seven turns eight this month
00:21:01.42\00:21:04.86
and so it was one
night... it was a good...
00:21:04.89\00:21:08.03
it was a good day...
by worldly standards...
00:21:08.06\00:21:11.13
I just came from
my brother's house
00:21:11.17\00:21:12.73
spending time with him...
00:21:12.77\00:21:14.24
I just got paid that
day which was always good...
00:21:14.27\00:21:17.17
and so,
00:21:17.21\00:21:19.74
I just picked up my daughter
00:21:19.77\00:21:21.11
because me and
her mom split weeks...
00:21:21.14\00:21:22.48
so, it was Wednesday...
it was my time to pick her up
00:21:22.51\00:21:24.61
so I picked her up...
I was happy about that...
00:21:24.65\00:21:26.15
took her to my brother's house,
I was spending time with him,
00:21:26.18\00:21:29.32
he was happy about
that... I decided to go home...
00:21:29.35\00:21:31.19
and on the stop from home,
00:21:31.22\00:21:33.96
another problem I acquired
in the world was... drinking...
00:21:33.99\00:21:37.36
now, I didn't call
it a problem then...
00:21:37.39\00:21:39.49
but I had a drinking problem...
I would drink, drink...
00:21:39.53\00:21:42.36
and just drink
alcohol... everyday...
00:21:42.43\00:21:44.80
just about every
day... all the time...
00:21:44.83\00:21:47.20
there had to be no reason,
00:21:47.24\00:21:48.57
it didn't have to be
a special occasion...
00:21:48.60\00:21:49.94
and so I stopped by the
store to pick up some alcohol...
00:21:49.97\00:21:52.54
going to the house...
00:21:52.57\00:21:54.48
I didn't plan on
leaving the house again...
00:21:54.51\00:21:56.24
because I had my
daughter... and so I'm drinking,
00:21:56.28\00:21:59.68
I'm drinking... it gets to
about 2 and 3 in the morning
00:21:59.71\00:22:02.12
after she goes to
sleep... I started drinking...
00:22:02.15\00:22:04.99
and all of a sudden...
00:22:05.02\00:22:06.65
I started getting hungry...
00:22:06.69\00:22:08.62
because I chilled at
my brother's house so late
00:22:08.66\00:22:11.19
I didn't go to the
grocery store before we came...
00:22:11.23\00:22:13.70
and I was
tired... and I was like...
00:22:13.73\00:22:16.13
"Man, I'm hungry but I
don't want to drink and drive...
00:22:16.16\00:22:18.83
okay, let me just go to
the nearest fast-food chain...
00:22:18.87\00:22:21.54
and just get me
something to eat real quick... "
00:22:21.57\00:22:24.37
now mind you...
I'd been drinking...
00:22:24.41\00:22:26.84
and so I'd drunk
the whole bottle...
00:22:26.88\00:22:29.24
so, I can drink the
whole bottle to myself...
00:22:29.28\00:22:31.55
and that's how much I'd drunk...
and so, at 3 in the morning...
00:22:31.58\00:22:35.68
because it's down the street,
and alcohol is in your system
00:22:35.75\00:22:39.82
and you reason that
everything will be okay...
00:22:39.85\00:22:41.76
at 3 in the morning... I
grabbed my sleeping daughter
00:22:41.79\00:22:44.76
I put her in the car with me,
00:22:44.79\00:22:46.13
and I'd go to the store
to get something to eat...
00:22:46.16\00:22:49.20
from this fast-food chain...
00:22:49.23\00:22:50.63
I get something from
the fast food-chain...
00:22:50.67\00:22:52.83
I start to leave
the fast-food chain
00:22:52.87\00:22:56.44
and as I do... a
police officer gets behind me
00:22:56.47\00:22:59.97
filled with alcohol
and pride and the thought
00:23:00.01\00:23:03.45
"if I live just down the street
maybe I can shake her... "
00:23:03.48\00:23:05.88
I decided I didn't feel
like stopping that night...
00:23:05.91\00:23:08.05
and I run and get
in a high-speed chase
00:23:08.08\00:23:10.95
with the police officers...
00:23:10.99\00:23:12.32
after I hit about
the first two corners,
00:23:12.35\00:23:14.99
I realized that I'm in a truck
00:23:15.02\00:23:17.09
and this truck
could potentially tip over
00:23:17.13\00:23:20.70
if I hit the corner hard enough
00:23:20.73\00:23:22.06
then I'm not going to
be able to get away...
00:23:22.10\00:23:23.60
so I said, "Well, at least
I'll just go to the house... "
00:23:23.63\00:23:26.94
and then,
somebody can probably come
00:23:26.97\00:23:29.50
and pick up Anaya so
they don't take her...
00:23:29.54\00:23:31.27
and they can just take me
into custody and x, y, and z...
00:23:31.31\00:23:33.91
and so, before I
get to the house...
00:23:33.94\00:23:36.04
once you start running...
they call different cars
00:23:36.08\00:23:39.98
and they start
converging on you...
00:23:40.02\00:23:41.35
and they don't like it
too much when you run...
00:23:41.38\00:23:43.15
so they will ram your car
00:23:43.18\00:23:44.52
if they have to
and stuff like that...
00:23:44.55\00:23:46.19
it seems almost like the angel
of the Lord stopped the car...
00:23:46.22\00:23:50.46
the car... it felt like someone
grabbed the car and it turned...
00:23:50.53\00:23:54.73
and stopped in a weird way...
when I made a left turn...
00:23:54.76\00:24:00.90
it almost made a whole U Turn...
00:24:00.94\00:24:03.07
and stopped right in front
of the wall and hit the wall...
00:24:03.10\00:24:05.24
and then the chase was over...
00:24:05.27\00:24:07.04
to make the long story short...
00:24:07.08\00:24:08.81
I had to go to prison
and do time for that...
00:24:08.84\00:24:12.01
but I remember... my
first night in jail...
00:24:12.08\00:24:15.22
I was on the
Sacramento County Floor
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lock down...
24-hour-lockdown floor
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I got put in my
cell... nobody was in there...
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and so I'm put in my cell,
I'm wearing the orange clothes
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and I'm wearing all their stuff
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and I just look
up at the ceiling
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and I say, "Okay, I'm listening,
what do you want to say to me?"
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Hmmm... and from
that point I knew...
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God had to put me in a position
where He would just slow me down
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where He just had to
take everything from me...
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I lost the car... I
lost the apartment...
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you know... work... my
daughter could have gotten
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taken from me... but
because her mother and
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my mother came and got her,
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they opened up a
"child-support case"
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because her mother
didn't press any charges
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the case was closed...
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and so it could
have ended way worse...
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but the Lord just
showed so much mercy...
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on someone who
didn't deserve any...
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and from that point forward,
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He said, "No, I'm not
going to get out of this...
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I'm not going to make
all the charges go away...
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you're going to
have to go to prison...
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but, I'm going to go
through it with you... "
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is what He told me...
and so, I had my Bible...
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and that began my
conversion process
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I just read my
Bible from cover to cover,
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and then I got
out... they gave me...
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tried to give me four years,
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the Lord was gracious...
they gave me two years
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I did half time...
and I got out in 10 months
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and I was still... one
foot in and one foot out
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if you can believe it...
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I still said, "Well,
I won't do bad stuff...
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but I won't just give
everything to the Lord... "
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like you were saying,
"compartmentalizing... "
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Yeah,
compartmentalizing, right...
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that's what I decided to do,
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"so, I'll just do
this and this and this"
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but I won't hurt
people, I won't sell alcohol,
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I won't be mean and
disrespectful to women
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I will try to
keep myself together...
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and it was February 2011
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I was in my mom's house...
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in the room downstairs...
and she didn't know it
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if I had any alcohol...
I was about to drink some
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and it was like a voice, as
clear as you're talking to me
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it said, "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?"
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Wow! and then I said...
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you know, "I'm about to relax"
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I said, "I'm about to relax,
I'm about to just drink... "
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and the Lord said, "No"
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he said, "I've taken you
too far you know, too much...
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you either give all to me... or
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you can go back and live
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the way you were
living... decide... "
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Ah, and you had to
make a choice right then...
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Right then... Wow!
this is such a great story
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and I can't
believe we have to go...
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our time... I can't
believe our time is up
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Okay...
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tell us how to get in
touch with your ministry...
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give us a website
or... do you have a website?
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Our website is
still under construction
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but to get in touch our ministry
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all you need to do is e-mail me
CFO Christ Frontline Operations,
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my e-mail is TLAW155@yahoo. com
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and you can e-mail me
and leave me your information
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and I'll get back to you,
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we do Week of
Prayers, Health Seminars,
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Evangelistic Series,
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just any evangelistic
activity you could think of...
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Thank you so much Tim,
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you have been an
amazing blessing...
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and you know Viewer...
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God's goodness will
carry you through...
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you just have to hold on to Him,
and watch your life change...
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God's got a plan for you,
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just like He did for Tim...
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He's got a plan
for every one of us...
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so, that's the
end of our Program...
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Thanks for tuning
in... join us next time...
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because it wouldn't be
the same without you...
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