Stay tuned to meet a man
00:00:01.33\00:00:02.66
who, though raised as
a Seventh-day Adventist,
00:00:02.70\00:00:05.10
found himself living as
a mid-level drug dealer...
00:00:05.17\00:00:07.87
My name is Yvonne Lewis
00:00:07.90\00:00:09.37
and you're
watching Urban Report...
00:00:09.40\00:00:11.34
Hello and welcome
to Urban Report...
00:00:33.36\00:00:35.83
My guest today
is Greg Emelander,
00:00:35.86\00:00:38.13
President of
Conviction Ministries Inc.
00:00:38.17\00:00:40.67
Welcome to Urban
Report Greg... Thank you...
00:00:40.70\00:00:43.34
It is so good to have you
here. It's good to be here...
00:00:43.37\00:00:46.81
I've heard that you
have an amazing testimony...
00:00:46.84\00:00:50.55
and I just met you today...
and from what I've heard...
00:00:50.58\00:00:54.18
your story is something that
our Viewers really need to hear.
00:00:54.22\00:00:58.62
So, tell me a little
bit about your background...
00:00:58.65\00:01:00.99
Where were you born and raised?
00:01:01.02\00:01:02.59
I was born in lonia, Michigan...
that's where we were raised...
00:01:02.62\00:01:06.90
and my father was a farmer
00:01:06.93\00:01:08.23
my mom worked in a
local doctor's office...
00:01:08.26\00:01:09.90
and for most of my childhood,
it was spent in the country...
00:01:09.93\00:01:13.40
I attended a
Seventh-day Adventist School
00:01:13.44\00:01:15.47
all the way from first
through eighth grade...
00:01:15.50\00:01:17.44
and by all accounts... I
had a really good childhood...
00:01:17.47\00:01:20.68
So, you came from a
two-parent family...
00:01:20.74\00:01:23.31
and... was your dad
very active in the home
00:01:23.35\00:01:26.58
was he a strong
presence in your home?
00:01:26.61\00:01:29.02
He was... of
course being a farmer
00:01:29.05\00:01:31.35
there were long
hours during the summer
00:01:31.39\00:01:33.19
but during the
winter... he was home...
00:01:33.22\00:01:34.92
quite a bit... and he
was a good, Christian man
00:01:34.99\00:01:39.26
he was always solid in terms of
00:01:39.29\00:01:42.63
making sure that we
understood our faith...
00:01:42.66\00:01:45.50
that we read our
Bible... so as I was raised...
00:01:45.53\00:01:48.34
we definitely had a strong
Christian presence in the home.
00:01:48.37\00:01:51.91
So, when did it
start to change for you...
00:01:51.94\00:01:55.44
because you went from
1st through the 8th grade
00:01:55.48\00:01:58.25
in a Seventh-day
Adventist School...
00:01:58.28\00:02:00.85
were you spiritual
during that time...
00:02:00.88\00:02:03.32
or did you begin to
change during that time...
00:02:03.35\00:02:06.02
Towards the end of
7th through 8th grade...
00:02:06.05\00:02:08.69
I began to change...
00:02:08.72\00:02:10.06
of course my home
began to change as well...
00:02:10.09\00:02:12.83
my parents began
fighting and in time...
00:02:12.86\00:02:15.53
their fighting, of
course, affected my brother...
00:02:15.56\00:02:18.93
my sister and I... and
our ability to communicate
00:02:19.00\00:02:22.34
without
fighting... diminished...
00:02:22.37\00:02:24.61
and so, that's kind of what
happened towards 7th and 8th
00:02:24.64\00:02:28.38
so the family began
to kind of disintegrate
00:02:28.41\00:02:31.21
Hmmm... hmmm... and with that
00:02:31.25\00:02:33.25
came a change in you...
00:02:33.28\00:02:35.65
so how did it
manifest itself, what happened?
00:02:35.68\00:02:38.55
The biggest change came
when my parents announced
00:02:38.62\00:02:41.06
that they were
going to get divorced...
00:02:41.09\00:02:42.89
once they
divorced... they separated...
00:02:42.96\00:02:44.73
and we children kind of
felt drawn to one parent
00:02:44.76\00:02:50.30
or the other... Hmmm...
00:02:50.33\00:02:51.67
it wasn't that we became "pawns"
00:02:51.70\00:02:53.57
but we felt that
tension between the two...
00:02:53.60\00:02:55.67
like we had to be loyal to one
00:02:55.70\00:02:57.37
and kind of push away the other
00:02:57.41\00:02:58.74
You had to pick
one... Yes, absolutely...
00:02:58.77\00:03:00.18
Hmmm... hmmm...
and when you're around
00:03:00.21\00:03:01.54
that individual... even
though they didn't say that
00:03:01.58\00:03:03.48
that's kind of how we felt...
and there was a lot of strain
00:03:03.51\00:03:07.28
between our
siblings... because of that...
00:03:07.32\00:03:09.62
let's say my sister
wanted to be with my mom...
00:03:09.65\00:03:12.09
I didn't want my
dad to be alone...
00:03:12.12\00:03:13.69
so I wanted to be with my dad...
00:03:13.76\00:03:15.26
but at the same time I
wanted to be with my mom...
00:03:15.29\00:03:17.29
and that type of
tension between the siblings
00:03:17.33\00:03:19.89
really created a bad atmosphere
00:03:19.93\00:03:21.60
You know... it's amazing Greg,
00:03:21.63\00:03:23.60
the impact that
divorce has on the children...
00:03:23.63\00:03:27.64
it doesn't matter what age...
they can be adult children
00:03:27.67\00:03:30.71
of the couple... but
divorce has a profound impact
00:03:30.74\00:03:35.74
so, your sister
wanted to go with your mom
00:03:35.78\00:03:38.68
you wanted to go with
your dad, Hmmm... hmmm...
00:03:38.71\00:03:41.25
what happened...
how did it end up?
00:03:41.28\00:03:43.32
Ultimately, that's
exactly what happened...
00:03:43.35\00:03:45.49
I stayed with my
mom for a short while
00:03:45.52\00:03:47.62
but I became
increasingly angry...
00:03:47.66\00:03:49.69
I wanted to rebel... I
wasn't getting the attention
00:03:49.72\00:03:54.40
that I felt I deserved and,
of course, I started acting out
00:03:54.46\00:03:56.83
and ultimately that led
to some disciplinary issues
00:03:56.87\00:03:59.73
I stole from a store
and got busted stealing...
00:03:59.77\00:04:02.20
and so, that was the
first time I had interaction
00:04:02.24\00:04:04.54
with the police... but
along with that rebellious
00:04:04.57\00:04:06.88
attitude came
smoking cigarettes...
00:04:06.91\00:04:08.78
because that was one thing I
knew I wasn't allowed to do...
00:04:08.84\00:04:11.28
but yet... I did... and
at the end of 8th grade,
00:04:11.31\00:04:14.45
they transferred us
to a public school...
00:04:14.48\00:04:16.62
so, I went from a
Seventh-day Adventist School...
00:04:16.65\00:04:18.79
to a public school... and
I was completely unprepared.
00:04:18.82\00:04:21.39
That is a huge
transition isn't it?
00:04:21.42\00:04:24.49
I had that happen to
me... and you go from a small...
00:04:24.53\00:04:28.10
kind of intimate setting...
with the Adventist School
00:04:28.13\00:04:31.70
sometimes to a
really big public school...
00:04:31.73\00:04:33.97
and it's... the
classes are different,
00:04:34.00\00:04:35.84
the people are different,
00:04:35.87\00:04:37.21
so how did going to a public
school, impact you spiritually?
00:04:37.24\00:04:40.88
Well, it impacted me
to such a degree that
00:04:40.91\00:04:45.81
the spirituality was just
completely in the background...
00:04:45.85\00:04:47.95
everything that I used
to be... a Pathfinder...
00:04:47.98\00:04:49.98
I mean, I was a
dedicated child of God...
00:04:50.02\00:04:52.52
but as soon as the
divorce happened...
00:04:52.55\00:04:55.02
all of that disappeared...
even though my dad was taking
00:04:55.06\00:04:57.39
us to Church on the
weekends that he had us...
00:04:57.46\00:04:59.96
because we had to
switch back and forth...
00:05:00.06\00:05:02.13
it was something I
wasn't even thinking about
00:05:02.16\00:05:04.17
so, by the time I'm in School...
I'm not thinking about the Bible
00:05:04.20\00:05:07.44
I'm not thinking about Christ,
00:05:07.47\00:05:08.80
I'm not thinking
about God at all...
00:05:08.84\00:05:10.17
I'm thinking about "How
can I develop friendships
00:05:10.21\00:05:13.48
to where I don't feel rejected,
00:05:13.51\00:05:15.14
or I don't feel I'm
not part of the group... "
00:05:15.18\00:05:18.31
and that desire to
want to be accepted...
00:05:18.35\00:05:21.12
ultimately led me
down a very dark path...
00:05:21.15\00:05:23.89
So, 7th and 8th grades...
00:05:23.92\00:05:27.02
those were the
pivotal years for you...
00:05:27.06\00:05:29.39
that's when things just
kind of shifted into this real
00:05:29.42\00:05:33.66
"drift away" from the
Lord and from the values
00:05:33.70\00:05:36.83
that you had... when
you went to high school,
00:05:36.87\00:05:39.97
did you develop the wrong...
00:05:40.00\00:05:41.64
did you take on the wrong
friends... the wrong associates
00:05:41.67\00:05:45.01
tell us about your
associates in high school...
00:05:45.04\00:05:47.54
I was not athletic... I
was, kind of a small guy,
00:05:47.58\00:05:49.91
I wasn't short... but I
was definitely skinny...
00:05:49.94\00:05:52.21
so athleticism was
not in my gene pool...
00:05:52.25\00:05:54.72
necessarily... not
within me individually...
00:05:54.75\00:05:57.15
and I didn't necessarily
like the negative attention
00:05:57.19\00:06:01.16
that the academics got...
00:06:01.19\00:06:02.96
so I was ultimately
drawn to the troublemakers...
00:06:02.99\00:06:06.59
and, of course, with
troublemakers comes trouble...
00:06:06.63\00:06:10.20
and... so I began having
problems with my teachers
00:06:10.27\00:06:13.57
with my parents...
00:06:13.60\00:06:14.94
with individuals
just in the community
00:06:14.97\00:06:16.67
and inside... internally...
all of the little choices
00:06:16.71\00:06:20.41
that I was making... to rebel...
00:06:20.44\00:06:21.78
every decision that I
made that was kind of...
00:06:21.81\00:06:24.85
"going against
authority" built upon itself...
00:06:24.88\00:06:28.02
and what I was doing
became progressively worse
00:06:28.05\00:06:31.19
and worse and worse and worse,
and so I went from stealing...
00:06:31.25\00:06:34.16
and smoking
cigarettes to smoking Marijuana,
00:06:34.19\00:06:37.43
and then, my criminal activity
00:06:37.46\00:06:40.86
as far as how I was acting
out became more aggressive...
00:06:40.90\00:06:44.70
Tell us about that...
00:06:44.73\00:06:46.10
so, for instance, I
remember one night...
00:06:46.17\00:06:48.00
we had gotten into an
argument with an individual
00:06:48.07\00:06:51.11
who had already
graduated high school,
00:06:51.14\00:06:52.74
and he was a "bad kid" in town
00:06:52.77\00:06:54.71
and I got the bright idea
00:06:54.74\00:06:56.58
that we were going to
get him back one night...
00:06:56.61\00:06:57.98
so, I had a truck... we
filled it with cinder blocks
00:06:58.01\00:07:00.12
and we got him to chase us
00:07:00.15\00:07:01.92
through town in the
middle of the night...
00:07:01.95\00:07:03.28
and I had a friend in
the back of the truck...
00:07:03.32\00:07:04.65
and he would pop up... and
I remember, he was throwing
00:07:04.69\00:07:07.06
cinder blocks at this car
while we were doing high speeds
00:07:07.09\00:07:09.76
down the middle of the town...
now, I was 16 at that time
00:07:09.79\00:07:12.43
and we didn't care
whether or not somebody got hurt
00:07:12.46\00:07:15.06
or whether or not
somebody even got killed...
00:07:15.10\00:07:16.50
we just didn't care...
but that was... one small step
00:07:16.53\00:07:20.77
that led ultimately
towards that larger journey
00:07:20.80\00:07:23.71
Isn't it interesting,
Greg, how... you know...
00:07:23.74\00:07:26.57
you make decisions and choices
that really don't reflect
00:07:26.61\00:07:30.45
the intelligence that you
have, I mean, you don't think,
00:07:30.48\00:07:34.32
from cause to effect... Hmmm...
00:07:34.35\00:07:36.05
you're just
thinking this is what...
00:07:36.08\00:07:37.95
you're kind of
ruled by your impulses,
00:07:37.99\00:07:40.06
Absolutely...
00:07:40.09\00:07:41.42
"This is what I feel like doing,
so this is what I'm going to do"
00:07:41.46\00:07:43.89
and I mean, that's
why smoking weed...
00:07:43.93\00:07:47.30
it's one of the reasons...
smoking weed... with teenagers
00:07:47.30\00:07:51.07
is so bad...
because the frontal lobe
00:07:51.10\00:07:54.24
is not as
developed as it should be...
00:07:54.27\00:07:57.04
and so they're
smoking weed and then making
00:07:57.07\00:07:59.74
choices that can just impact
them for the rest of their lives
00:07:59.77\00:08:02.54
without realizing it... so,
these are some of the things
00:08:02.58\00:08:05.48
that you were doing...
you had started smoking weed
00:08:05.51\00:08:07.58
you had started to get
more and more aggressive
00:08:07.62\00:08:09.42
Hmmm... hmmm...
00:08:09.48\00:08:10.82
how did that play out
when you were maybe 18 or 19?
00:08:10.85\00:08:14.29
Well, I had a pretty bad habit
as far as Marijuana went...
00:08:14.36\00:08:19.83
but I didn't want to
have to pay for my habit
00:08:19.86\00:08:21.90
and so I started
selling in order to cover that
00:08:21.93\00:08:23.97
And how old were
you during this time?
00:08:24.00\00:08:25.60
I started selling
when I was 17 Okay...
00:08:25.63\00:08:27.67
but by 18 or 19... it
was pretty well established
00:08:27.70\00:08:30.37
I had a certain
amount of clientele
00:08:30.41\00:08:33.38
but I could tell that...
I really loved the money...
00:08:33.41\00:08:37.71
I really loved the attention
that I was getting from
00:08:37.75\00:08:40.72
living in that type of
lifestyle and ultimately
00:08:40.75\00:08:43.28
I ended up meeting an individual
who became a connection for me,
00:08:43.32\00:08:46.96
he was very well
connected with an Organization
00:08:46.99\00:08:49.39
a criminal organization
that was trafficking
00:08:49.42\00:08:51.76
large quantities of Marijuana
from Mexico through Texas
00:08:51.79\00:08:55.63
and I mean,
semi-trailers full of weed...
00:08:55.66\00:08:58.73
and he became
my solid connection
00:08:58.77\00:09:01.27
and ultimately
I... through him...
00:09:01.30\00:09:03.67
I started selling 10
pounds, 20 pounds, 30 pounds,
00:09:03.71\00:09:06.34
40-pound blocks of Marijuana
00:09:06.37\00:09:07.71
Oh, so, you went from
not really making much money
00:09:07.74\00:09:13.21
because you were a
farmer's son all right...
00:09:13.25\00:09:14.58
Hmmm... hmmm... so
you weren't really making
00:09:14.62\00:09:15.95
much when you were doing work...
00:09:15.98\00:09:18.15
to now...
you're making big money
00:09:18.19\00:09:20.42
and you're getting
attached to the money...
00:09:20.46\00:09:23.39
Oh absolutely...
Right... and the lifestyle...
00:09:23.43\00:09:26.33
and everything
that goes with it...
00:09:26.36\00:09:28.46
so, where did that take
you, what happened after that?
00:09:28.50\00:09:32.77
Of course, with
drugs come... drug use...
00:09:32.80\00:09:34.94
Hmmm... and I didn't keep the
00:09:34.97\00:09:36.91
"cardinal rule"
of the drug dealer
00:09:36.94\00:09:38.37
and I started
using my own supply...
00:09:38.44\00:09:39.81
eventually that led to a
really bad Cocaine addiction
00:09:39.87\00:09:43.18
because Marijuana
just wasn't enough for me,
00:09:43.21\00:09:44.98
I got sick of having to
deal with larger quantities of
00:09:45.01\00:09:47.38
Marijuana and
switched to Cocaine...
00:09:47.42\00:09:48.78
and selling Cocaine, of
course, I'm using Cocaine
00:09:48.82\00:09:52.22
and that addiction
just got insatiable...
00:09:52.25\00:09:54.92
we were trafficking
in Ecstasy and Shrooms
00:09:54.99\00:09:57.66
and pharmaceuticals... and
so my selection of material
00:09:57.69\00:10:02.16
that I was
selling... it was large...
00:10:02.20\00:10:04.13
they ended up calling
me the "Street Pharmacist"
00:10:04.20\00:10:05.80
because I carried
so many of varieties of
00:10:05.83\00:10:07.84
everything you could think of...
00:10:07.87\00:10:09.20
On your person...
00:10:09.24\00:10:10.57
On my person...
so, for instance if you
00:10:10.61\00:10:11.94
see me today...
generally, I have a backpack...
00:10:11.97\00:10:13.98
well, back in the
day... I had a backpack too...
00:10:14.01\00:10:16.11
today my Bible is in there...
with my highlighting kit
00:10:16.14\00:10:19.58
and everything
else... but back then...
00:10:19.61\00:10:21.22
I would have 2 or 3
different grades of Marijuana,
00:10:21.25\00:10:23.69
2 different types of Shrooms,
2 different kinds of Cocaine...
00:10:23.72\00:10:26.89
and I'd have
pharmaceuticals through the roof
00:10:26.92\00:10:29.12
and so, they called me
"The Street Pharmacist"
00:10:29.16\00:10:31.26
because I carried a veritable
pharmacy... on my back...
00:10:31.29\00:10:33.86
Wow! and see, honestly,
you don't look like you
00:10:33.90\00:10:37.00
had a bunch of drugs on you,
I don't know how you looked then
00:10:37.03\00:10:40.14
now, of course, you
have the love of the Lord
00:10:40.17\00:10:42.84
and it's in your face... Yes...
00:10:42.87\00:10:44.54
and your
countenance, but then...
00:10:44.57\00:10:46.17
I don't know if you
looked like a hippie
00:10:46.21\00:10:47.88
or you if you looked like
you were using drugs yourself...
00:10:47.91\00:10:49.84
but, to me... it's amazing
how Satan just starts you
00:10:49.88\00:10:55.12
at one place... you
weren't doing drugs at all
00:10:55.15\00:10:58.65
at one point...
once you started...
00:10:58.69\00:11:01.26
that was the gateway...
00:11:01.29\00:11:02.82
and Marijuana just
led you to do Cocaine...
00:11:02.86\00:11:05.06
which led you to
do the other things...
00:11:05.09\00:11:07.23
and you just
spiraled downward...
00:11:07.23\00:11:09.16
so, you began selling
and using and walking around
00:11:09.20\00:11:15.00
with the drugs on your person...
Oh, I did... definitely...
00:11:15.04\00:11:18.94
and nobody advised
you not to do that?
00:11:18.97\00:11:21.34
I didn't care... I
got to the point where
00:11:21.38\00:11:23.71
the people who
used to be my dealers
00:11:23.75\00:11:25.95
then became my customers...
00:11:25.98\00:11:27.32
and so, I became one of
the top dogs in the area...
00:11:27.35\00:11:29.72
and even the Chief
of Police in my town
00:11:29.75\00:11:31.52
would tell you
that for 3 and 1/2 years
00:11:31.55\00:11:33.32
they focused on
trying to bust me
00:11:33.36\00:11:35.22
that I was their main
focus for such a long time
00:11:35.26\00:11:38.36
that when I finally
got arrested it was like
00:11:38.39\00:11:40.90
they really didn't
understand how to go about
00:11:40.93\00:11:43.30
doing the police
work that they were doing
00:11:43.33\00:11:45.03
before they were
focusing on me...
00:11:45.07\00:11:46.47
So you were so much the focal
point of their attention...
00:11:46.50\00:11:51.67
and their activities...
that once they had you...
00:11:51.71\00:11:53.98
they didn't
really know what to do...
00:11:54.01\00:11:55.78
Yes... They didn't
have much more to do
00:11:55.84\00:11:57.38
How did you avoid
00:11:57.41\00:12:00.92
avoid getting locked up for
those 3 years, what did you do?
00:12:00.98\00:12:05.32
Well, I didn't have a
criminal record to speak of
00:12:05.35\00:12:07.92
when I finally got arrested...
00:12:07.96\00:12:09.29
the DEA's Central
Michigan Enforcement Team...
00:12:09.32\00:12:11.66
West Michigan Enforcement
Team, State Police and the
00:12:11.69\00:12:13.60
County's Police Department,
Kent County Sheriff's Department
00:12:13.63\00:12:15.46
they all busted me at once...
00:12:15.53\00:12:16.87
and I was charged with
three counts of delivering
00:12:16.90\00:12:19.27
and manufacturing
Cocaine less than 50 grams...
00:12:19.30\00:12:21.84
but because of my
lack of criminal record
00:12:21.87\00:12:24.27
and because of my
health problems at that time...
00:12:24.31\00:12:26.41
and because of other factors,
00:12:26.44\00:12:28.71
they just gave me
a slap on the wrist
00:12:28.74\00:12:30.11
and that "slap on the
wrist" was 97 days in jail...
00:12:30.15\00:12:32.58
felony probation...
life-time felony probation
00:12:32.61\00:12:36.05
which was, I believe, 2
years, 8,000 dollars in fines,
00:12:36.08\00:12:39.05
honestly... they were giving
me enough rope to hang myself
00:12:39.09\00:12:42.02
because they knew
that I wasn't going to stop
00:12:42.06\00:12:44.19
but with the
charges that I received...
00:12:44.23\00:12:46.59
the maximum sentence
they could have given me
00:12:46.63\00:12:47.96
was 40 years so
by giving me a rope,
00:12:47.96\00:12:49.83
they knew that the
next time I got in trouble,
00:12:49.86\00:12:51.77
they'd be able to
throw the book at me...
00:12:51.83\00:12:53.74
And there was a next time...
00:12:53.77\00:12:56.20
There absolutely
was... Tell us about that...
00:12:56.24\00:12:57.97
So, I quit selling drugs...
after I got busted in 2003...
00:12:58.01\00:13:01.98
but I never quit doing drugs...
now, I quit using Marijuana
00:13:02.04\00:13:05.81
and Cocaine... but I
was still an addict...
00:13:05.85\00:13:08.48
and I still wanted to get high
00:13:08.52\00:13:09.85
so, what I did was... I
went to the doctor's office
00:13:09.88\00:13:11.39
I started getting prescriptions
00:13:11.42\00:13:12.75
and ultimately went
through a Pain Clinic
00:13:12.79\00:13:14.79
and they prescribed
me Morphine, and Avinza
00:13:14.82\00:13:16.89
which is 24-hours-
sustained-release-morphine
00:13:16.96\00:13:18.79
and Fentanyl patches...
00:13:18.83\00:13:20.16
and so, I was getting all
these prescriptions at once...
00:13:20.20\00:13:22.70
and so the Fentanyl
patches, I started shooting up
00:13:22.73\00:13:25.70
and I'd mix that
with Crack Cocaine...
00:13:25.77\00:13:27.37
so, breakfast for me...
after a period of two years
00:13:27.40\00:13:30.77
was honestly a syringe for
Fentanyl with Crack Cocaine
00:13:30.81\00:13:34.18
and I'd have a 3-day
patch in each shot...
00:13:34.21\00:13:37.41
so, now, Fentanyl being 80 times
more powerful than Morphine...
00:13:37.45\00:13:41.78
you can imagine just
how high my tolerance was,
00:13:41.82\00:13:44.72
the doctors, ultimately,
cut me off of my prescriptions
00:13:44.75\00:13:47.79
and that's what led me to
doing what I ended up doing...
00:13:47.82\00:13:50.86
Which... we're going
to come to in a second...
00:13:50.89\00:13:54.03
So, Greg, this is
mind-boggling to me because
00:13:54.10\00:13:57.17
I always think about...
00:13:57.20\00:13:58.63
about God's
plan and Satan's plan
00:13:58.67\00:14:02.04
and when you look and you see
00:14:02.07\00:14:05.27
how God's plan is to prosper you
00:14:05.31\00:14:07.44
and to give you an abundant life
00:14:07.48\00:14:09.54
and Satan's plan
is to destroy you...
00:14:09.58\00:14:11.71
and when you're on Satan's
path, and on that trajectory...
00:14:11.78\00:14:17.69
you don't really see or
care about what's going on...
00:14:17.75\00:14:21.52
Is that where you were?
did you care about your body
00:14:21.56\00:14:24.99
did you care about what
this was doing to you...
00:14:25.03\00:14:28.40
morally or
physically or spiritually...
00:14:28.43\00:14:31.07
Not at all...
What were you thinking?
00:14:31.10\00:14:33.50
I had no concern for my
well-being, as a matter of fact
00:14:33.54\00:14:35.47
when I was 19, my lung collapsed
00:14:35.50\00:14:37.24
the surgeon essentially
told me when I was healed...
00:14:37.27\00:14:40.11
that one more time... if
it collapsed another time
00:14:40.14\00:14:42.84
he would be able to fix it,
the third time... I'd be done
00:14:42.88\00:14:44.78
and so, at the age of 19...
00:14:44.85\00:14:46.51
it was essentially a
death sentence... in my mind
00:14:46.55\00:14:49.45
and so, I lived as
recklessly as you could...
00:14:49.48\00:14:52.32
I had no concern about my life,
00:14:52.35\00:14:54.62
and honestly... I had no
concern for anybody else's...
00:14:54.66\00:14:56.56
I was so
hot-headed that if somebody...
00:14:56.59\00:14:58.59
I remember one
time somebody told me
00:14:58.63\00:15:00.63
to turn the radio
down... and the next thing...
00:15:00.66\00:15:02.23
they knew he had a
bullet coming at him
00:15:02.26\00:15:03.60
and that was me... because
I just didn't care anymore
00:15:03.63\00:15:06.30
and so, as far as shooting up
or doing something to my body,
00:15:06.33\00:15:09.84
it didn't matter...
00:15:09.87\00:15:11.71
My! so what happened to you...
00:15:11.74\00:15:14.38
what was the thing that really
happened that got your attention
00:15:14.44\00:15:18.31
Well, when the
doctor's office cut me off...
00:15:18.35\00:15:20.35
I started breaking into houses
in order to feed my habit...
00:15:20.38\00:15:23.55
which ultimately led the
police officers to chase me down
00:15:23.59\00:15:26.25
and the day they arrested
me, I had a gun in the car,
00:15:26.29\00:15:29.02
and I went to grab that
gun to shoot that officer,
00:15:29.06\00:15:31.73
and a passenger
who was in my car...
00:15:31.79\00:15:33.43
grabbed that gun
before I could get it
00:15:33.50\00:15:35.06
and restricted me
from getting to it...
00:15:35.13\00:15:37.03
and then the cops pulled me out
of the car and I was arrested
00:15:37.07\00:15:39.60
that was God's version of
saving my life... right there...
00:15:39.63\00:15:42.14
and so, I went
through the Court process
00:15:42.17\00:15:44.91
which was... five
months, then went to prison
00:15:44.94\00:15:46.81
ultimately, I was
sentenced to 7 to 20 years
00:15:46.84\00:15:48.48
in the Michigan
Department of Corrections...
00:15:48.51\00:15:50.11
and when I got to prison,
00:15:50.15\00:15:51.85
God started showing me all the
times that He had saved my life,
00:15:51.88\00:15:54.85
all the times He had stepped
in, in the face of my rebellion,
00:15:54.88\00:15:57.79
in the face of my stupidity...
00:15:57.82\00:15:59.15
you know, you never see it
when you're living in it...
00:15:59.19\00:16:01.49
Right... right...
because as you said...
00:16:01.52\00:16:02.86
the devil tends to bind you,
00:16:02.89\00:16:04.96
you're not focused on
God or spiritual things,
00:16:04.99\00:16:07.66
but God showed me all
the times He'd saved my life
00:16:07.66\00:16:10.33
the drug overdoses,
the armed robberies...
00:16:10.37\00:16:12.40
all the stupid
things that I did...
00:16:12.43\00:16:14.07
and that He just stepped
in and said, "You know what...
00:16:14.10\00:16:15.84
I'm going to cover
you in mercy right now,
00:16:15.87\00:16:17.94
because I know where you
can be 10 years from now," so...
00:16:17.97\00:16:20.64
when I saw God's love,
honestly I was so taken aback
00:16:20.68\00:16:25.91
by the fact that
even in that rebellion...
00:16:25.95\00:16:27.62
He cared enough to save my life,
00:16:27.65\00:16:29.12
that really brought me back
to who I used to be as a child
00:16:29.15\00:16:33.22
and I started asking myself,
00:16:33.25\00:16:34.59
"Why did I end up here...
who am I, really who am I?
00:16:34.62\00:16:37.79
because now, all
the drugs are gone...
00:16:37.83\00:16:39.33
all the "numbing" is gone
that I had been trying to do
00:16:39.39\00:16:43.03
to stop myself
from really processing
00:16:43.06\00:16:45.23
all the bad choices that I
made, all those are gone...
00:16:45.27\00:16:48.50
and now I'm faced with
reality, and it was hard...
00:16:48.54\00:16:51.74
but I could feel
God's love there,
00:16:51.77\00:16:53.74
and I could feel
Him really guiding me...
00:16:53.78\00:16:55.61
and so I got on
my knees one night...
00:16:55.68\00:16:57.45
and I just started asking
for forgiveness for every sin
00:16:57.51\00:17:00.32
that I could think of... I
ended up in tears that night,
00:17:00.35\00:17:03.05
and obviously
sobbing on my bunk...
00:17:03.08\00:17:05.25
and I crawl back under that bunk
and as I rolled under that bunk,
00:17:05.29\00:17:08.02
I've told people that... I
felt as if the weight of sin
00:17:08.06\00:17:11.43
was coming off my body...
00:17:11.46\00:17:12.79
like 8 inches of concrete
was rising up off of my body...
00:17:12.83\00:17:16.30
and it was incredible
because I knew at that point
00:17:16.33\00:17:19.73
that I had...
honestly been forgiven
00:17:19.77\00:17:21.17
and I know... God
doesn't do that for everybody
00:17:21.20\00:17:23.54
but I needed it right
then... I had to have it...
00:17:23.57\00:17:25.67
because I was at such
a point of hopelessness
00:17:25.71\00:17:27.71
because I had broken into my
00:17:27.74\00:17:29.08
parents' house to
feed my addiction...
00:17:29.11\00:17:30.45
I had broken into my
dad's house to steal that pistol
00:17:30.48\00:17:32.78
I was going to
shoot that cop with...
00:17:32.81\00:17:34.15
I was on my way to go
rob a pharmacy by the way...
00:17:34.18\00:17:36.35
but I could feel God's love
00:17:36.38\00:17:39.29
and I knew that I
had been forgiven...
00:17:39.32\00:17:40.96
and I knew at that point in
my life... even though I didn't
00:17:40.99\00:17:43.19
have a clue of what it
was going to look like...
00:17:43.22\00:17:44.56
I knew my life was
going to be different
00:17:44.59\00:17:46.06
and I knew that
00:17:46.09\00:17:47.40
even though I had 7
years of prison to do
00:17:47.46\00:17:49.23
that somehow it was going
to be used to glorify God...
00:17:49.30\00:17:51.77
See... oh it is so juicy...
because, what you just showed us
00:17:51.80\00:17:58.24
really... is that
you had a physiological
00:17:58.27\00:18:02.28
response... to God's forgiveness
00:18:02.31\00:18:05.11
you felt that peace
that comes over you...
00:18:05.15\00:18:07.65
when you feel forgiven by God...
00:18:07.68\00:18:09.32
it doesn't matter
what you've done...
00:18:09.35\00:18:11.29
Viewers, it doesn't
matter what you've done...
00:18:11.32\00:18:14.52
God will forgive you...
00:18:14.56\00:18:16.96
Greg, I want you to look
into your camera there...
00:18:16.99\00:18:19.76
and I want you
to tell a young man
00:18:19.79\00:18:21.90
who is right now in
the throes of sin...
00:18:21.93\00:18:25.03
and where you were...
drug dealing, robbing...
00:18:25.07\00:18:28.14
all that stuff... and
tell him... what to do...
00:18:28.17\00:18:31.74
how he can break free...
00:18:31.77\00:18:34.04
of that feeling of
just... imprisonment...
00:18:34.08\00:18:36.75
"One thing that I
understood that really
00:18:36.78\00:18:39.71
God brought to
my heart was that...
00:18:39.75\00:18:42.58
'your past does not
have to dictate your future'
00:18:42.62\00:18:45.12
what you've done in
the past is irrelevant...
00:18:45.15\00:18:47.62
God loves you nonetheless,
00:18:47.66\00:18:48.99
and He's willing to
take you off from that...
00:18:49.02\00:18:51.09
and really... the
only thing that binds you
00:18:51.13\00:18:53.33
is your choice,
whether to accept the love
00:18:53.40\00:18:55.50
and the mercy and
forgiveness that God has...
00:18:55.53\00:18:57.63
if you're willing to accept that
He's willing to give it to you,
00:18:57.67\00:19:00.14
and I promise you
whatever sins you've committed
00:19:00.17\00:19:02.64
He's wanting to forgive you,
00:19:02.70\00:19:04.04
and whatever binds
you at this time...
00:19:04.07\00:19:05.91
he's willing to
break from around you...
00:19:05.94\00:19:07.71
and He can lead you in
that path of peace... He will...
00:19:07.78\00:19:11.11
I promise... that's
one thing He's promised us
00:19:11.15\00:19:13.01
that's what
salvation is about... "
00:19:13.05\00:19:15.25
Thank you... that is so
true and people need to hear it
00:19:15.28\00:19:19.92
and then he can
hear it from someone...
00:19:19.95\00:19:21.62
who's been there...
00:19:21.66\00:19:22.99
who's been doing the
same things they're doing...
00:19:23.02\00:19:25.19
it's not like somebody like me
00:19:25.23\00:19:27.23
that doesn't know
firsthand about it...
00:19:27.30\00:19:29.60
if you know firsthand
about it, and you've experienced
00:19:29.63\00:19:32.13
going through the lawlessness,
00:19:32.20\00:19:34.47
and then you
experience God's peace...
00:19:34.50\00:19:37.67
we're all sinners...
00:19:37.71\00:19:39.27
we're all sinners and
in need of a Savior...
00:19:39.34\00:19:41.54
and we just have
different paths that we go down
00:19:41.58\00:19:44.45
but we're all
sinners, and we just praise God
00:19:44.48\00:19:47.35
that He delivers us... Amen...
00:19:47.38\00:19:49.55
because He will put us
back on solid ground...
00:19:49.58\00:19:52.05
so, I need to ask you this
because I didn't ask before...
00:19:52.09\00:19:56.22
when you decided
that you were coming back
00:19:56.29\00:19:59.19
to the Lord...
did you have someone
00:19:59.26\00:20:01.63
in prison that was saying,
00:20:01.66\00:20:03.06
"Hey, you need to kind
of look at yourself... "
00:20:03.10\00:20:05.13
or was it the Holy Spirit
directly... talking to you?
00:20:05.20\00:20:08.37
It was the Holy
Spirit... when I went to prison,
00:20:08.40\00:20:11.34
I started looking
at who was around me...
00:20:11.37\00:20:13.14
Hmmm... and by looking at those
00:20:13.21\00:20:14.74
around me... at
first you want to sit there
00:20:14.78\00:20:16.81
and point fingers kind
of like the Pharisee and
00:20:16.85\00:20:18.85
the Publican and the sinners
00:20:18.88\00:20:20.22
in the Synagogue...
and as I'm looking at these
00:20:20.25\00:20:22.72
individuals... and
I'm pointing fingers
00:20:22.75\00:20:24.75
in my mind... I realize
I'm in the same place they are,
00:20:24.79\00:20:27.72
so in Society's eyes...
I'm no different than they are
00:20:27.76\00:20:30.66
Hmmm... hmmm... so,
I've got a serial killer
00:20:30.69\00:20:32.39
on one side or a
serial rapist on one side
00:20:32.43\00:20:34.00
I've got an axe
murderer on the other,
00:20:34.00\00:20:35.40
and in Society's eyes...
00:20:35.43\00:20:37.00
I am no different...
00:20:37.03\00:20:38.37
so who am I to judge them,
00:20:38.40\00:20:39.73
and so that's what
really got me to thinking
00:20:39.77\00:20:42.34
about the fact that,
"Hey, I had every opportunity
00:20:42.37\00:20:44.87
in the world...
I've the whole future
00:20:44.91\00:20:47.61
is laid out in front of
me... there are no obstacles...
00:20:47.68\00:20:50.28
except my own choices...
" and when I realized that
00:20:50.31\00:20:53.72
it was on me... that
those were my choices
00:20:53.75\00:20:55.78
that I made that led
me to where I was at,
00:20:55.82\00:20:57.75
well, that opened up a
whole different situation...
00:20:57.79\00:21:01.26
So, how long... after
you had this realization
00:21:01.32\00:21:05.66
and this epiphany and
this experience with God...
00:21:05.69\00:21:10.30
how long after that...
did you get out of prison?
00:21:10.33\00:21:14.10
seven years... it was
actually six and a half
00:21:14.14\00:21:17.84
Okay... so, I'd already done
five months in the Country jail
00:21:17.87\00:21:21.18
when I finally got sentenced
00:21:21.21\00:21:22.58
and went to Michigan
Department of Corrections...
00:21:22.61\00:21:24.28
so, I'd been in the Michigan
Department of Corrections
00:21:24.31\00:21:26.48
formally for only 16 days...
but I had five months previous
00:21:26.55\00:21:30.05
to that... to
really start weighing
00:21:30.09\00:21:31.82
what had happened...
00:21:31.85\00:21:33.19
so I went through 7
years of prison... in all...
00:21:33.22\00:21:36.56
7 years of incarceration
00:21:36.59\00:21:37.93
and in that time...
God gave me opportunities
00:21:37.96\00:21:40.46
left and right to
practice my faith...
00:21:40.50\00:21:42.40
one... to get
grounded... my dad sent me a
00:21:42.43\00:21:44.30
"Conflict of Ages"
series and I went through that
00:21:44.33\00:21:46.47
and then the Bible
studies from Amazing Facts...
00:21:46.53\00:21:49.00
and my dad had given me
one of the biggest gifts...
00:21:49.04\00:21:51.51
it was the
Bible... and that Bible...
00:21:51.54\00:21:53.24
I began studying...
and I really started just
00:21:53.27\00:21:56.44
allowing that to become
a big part of my life...
00:21:56.48\00:21:59.61
you know...
getting back into the Word
00:21:59.65\00:22:01.48
and understanding those
promises that were in there...
00:22:01.52\00:22:03.62
understanding what it
meant to be a child of God...
00:22:03.69\00:22:05.72
to have that position in Christ
understanding what freedom
00:22:05.75\00:22:09.62
what salvation was all
about, it was huge for me
00:22:09.66\00:22:11.59
because then... it
allowed me to realize
00:22:11.63\00:22:13.36
that I already had
victory over all these things
00:22:13.40\00:22:15.33
that the devil was
trying to tell me...
00:22:15.36\00:22:16.70
which he had me bound by...
00:22:16.73\00:22:18.07
and by
understanding that freedom,
00:22:18.10\00:22:20.30
I was able to
share that with others...
00:22:20.34\00:22:22.20
so no matter what
prison I went to...
00:22:22.27\00:22:24.11
I had Bible Study Groups
00:22:24.14\00:22:25.47
whether I'd be
studying with officers
00:22:25.51\00:22:26.84
or whether it was prisoners,
sometimes in the visiting room
00:22:26.88\00:22:29.21
I had the Bible Study
with my then-fiancée...
00:22:29.24\00:22:31.88
and you'd see people
across from me listening
00:22:31.91\00:22:34.78
to the conversation and
then once they were gone...
00:22:34.82\00:22:36.82
the officers would
start asking questions
00:22:36.85\00:22:38.49
about what we were
talking about in our Bible Study
00:22:38.52\00:22:40.82
and I could just see God working
00:22:40.86\00:22:42.19
Yes, how awesome is that!
00:22:42.22\00:22:43.86
It doesn't
matter where we are...
00:22:43.89\00:22:45.83
Right... wherever we are...
00:22:45.86\00:22:47.66
we can let our light shine,
and once you have that spirit
00:22:47.66\00:22:51.40
of God in you... you can't...
00:22:51.43\00:22:53.47
it's like fire shut up
in your bones... right?
00:22:53.50\00:22:55.54
That's right... you
have to talk about it...
00:22:55.57\00:22:57.57
so look at what God did
00:22:57.61\00:22:59.11
even where you
were at that time...
00:22:59.14\00:23:01.38
you were then, now
bringing other people to Him
00:23:01.41\00:23:04.71
and allowing God to use you
00:23:04.75\00:23:07.12
so that they could
experience His peace as well...
00:23:07.15\00:23:09.95
That's right...
and it didn't stop
00:23:09.98\00:23:11.69
once I got out of prison...
00:23:11.72\00:23:13.05
I formed "Conviction
Ministries Incorporated"
00:23:13.09\00:23:15.36
That was going to be my
00:23:15.39\00:23:16.73
next question...
tell us about that...
00:23:16.76\00:23:18.09
So, Conviction Ministries
Incorporated is kind of the
00:23:18.13\00:23:20.40
outgrowth of the burden
that God put on my heart...
00:23:20.43\00:23:22.86
in prison I had real difficulty
finding quality material
00:23:22.90\00:23:27.04
once you are in prison,
you are pretty much cut off
00:23:27.07\00:23:29.40
from Society...
everybody you knew in Church
00:23:29.47\00:23:31.74
pretty much wants
to push you away...
00:23:31.77\00:23:33.44
but Hebrews 13 says...
00:23:33.48\00:23:34.88
to remember those
that are in prison
00:23:34.91\00:23:36.31
as though you are
in prison with them...
00:23:36.34\00:23:37.71
as though you are
chained with them...
00:23:37.75\00:23:39.08
and when I got out... I
realized just because I was
00:23:39.11\00:23:41.72
out of prison didn't
mean that I didn't have a duty
00:23:41.75\00:23:44.29
to those individuals
that I left behind...
00:23:44.32\00:23:45.85
so, I started
raising money to send
00:23:45.92\00:23:48.19
quality Study Bibles back in...
00:23:48.22\00:23:50.46
because I realized we
can send tons of books
00:23:50.49\00:23:52.39
into prisons... but
what they really need
00:23:52.46\00:23:54.73
is number one... a Bible...
00:23:54.83\00:23:56.13
and number 2, the Study Guides
that have to go with the Bibles
00:23:56.16\00:23:59.20
because if I send a
Bible into prison...
00:23:59.27\00:24:00.94
there are going to be
a hundred people there
00:24:00.97\00:24:02.54
to misinterpret that Bible...
00:24:02.60\00:24:04.14
but, if I send a Bible
in there and in that Bible
00:24:04.17\00:24:07.34
is cross reference and has all
of our material... in that Bible
00:24:07.38\00:24:11.21
it becomes much harder
for somebody to come along
00:24:11.25\00:24:14.38
and tell the
recipient of that Bible
00:24:14.42\00:24:16.69
error... and so
they don't accept it...
00:24:16.75\00:24:18.95
so Conviction Ministries
was formed to raise money
00:24:18.99\00:24:21.92
to purchase our...
Seventh-day Adventist material
00:24:21.99\00:24:24.89
our Study Bibles...
and to send them back in...
00:24:24.93\00:24:26.83
That's tremendous...
00:24:26.86\00:24:29.03
and how old is
Convictions Ministries?
00:24:29.06\00:24:30.90
I had to start it
when I got off parole...
00:24:30.93\00:24:32.67
because they said... it was
about a "conflict of interest"
00:24:32.70\00:24:34.90
so, I formally
started it in 2012...
00:24:34.94\00:24:37.81
and between 2013 and
2014... so far, we have sent in
00:24:37.84\00:24:43.04
over 14,000 dollars in Bibles...
00:24:43.08\00:24:46.21
now, I'm working with
Remnant Publications right now
00:24:46.25\00:24:49.28
to come out with an
Outreach edition of our Bible
00:24:49.32\00:24:52.22
so, it will have all
the Remnant Study Guides
00:24:52.25\00:24:55.09
in the back...
all the study material
00:24:55.12\00:24:56.49
that comes in the
Remnant Study Bible
00:24:56.52\00:24:57.86
will be in the back...
the only thing it won't have
00:24:57.89\00:25:00.53
is the Spirit of
Prophecy quotes in the front...
00:25:00.56\00:25:02.56
Tell us what's in there...
00:25:02.60\00:25:03.93
So, in the
Bible that we'll have,
00:25:03.97\00:25:05.90
it will have the
parables of Christ
00:25:05.93\00:25:07.87
it will have the sanctuary...
00:25:07.90\00:25:09.37
all the furniture of
the sanctuary broken down
00:25:09.40\00:25:11.24
because what a lot of
people don't understand is...
00:25:11.27\00:25:13.17
the sanctuary message
00:25:13.21\00:25:14.64
is actually the key to
understanding salvation
00:25:14.68\00:25:17.11
if you understand what
00:25:17.15\00:25:18.48
each of those
pieces of furniture mean,
00:25:18.51\00:25:20.15
you will understand
a facet of salvation...
00:25:20.22\00:25:21.92
Hmmm... hmmm... and
so, the Remnant Study Bible
00:25:21.98\00:25:23.92
breaks that down... it
also has one of the largest
00:25:23.95\00:25:26.09
concordances that you
can find in any Bible...
00:25:26.12\00:25:28.22
it's a 3-column,
180-page concordance...
00:25:28.26\00:25:30.69
on top of that, it
covers the miracles,
00:25:30.73\00:25:32.96
it covers the parables,
00:25:32.99\00:25:34.30
has sections from
Christ's Object Lessons
00:25:34.36\00:25:36.46
and it goes through
all of our doctrines
00:25:36.50\00:25:38.87
as a 26-topic chain reference,
00:25:38.90\00:25:41.14
so that it takes
you not only through the
00:25:41.17\00:25:43.30
fundamentals of our doctrines,
00:25:43.34\00:25:44.74
but it goes through
some of the finer facets
00:25:44.77\00:25:47.14
of our doctrines that
kind of off-shoot subjects
00:25:47.21\00:25:49.54
that most Study Bibles and
00:25:49.58\00:25:51.58
definitely no other
Adventist Bible covers
00:25:51.61\00:25:53.45
and so, I want to be able to
provide that message for anybody
00:25:53.48\00:25:57.32
in prison who wants to
understand the truth...
00:25:57.35\00:26:00.56
and by offering a Bible
at an inexpensive rate...
00:26:00.59\00:26:03.69
we'll be able to
reach a lot of individuals
00:26:03.73\00:26:05.69
that we never would
have been able to touch...
00:26:05.73\00:26:07.50
That is wonderful... now
suppose some people want to
00:26:07.50\00:26:10.50
donate Bibles to prisoners
to inmates in various Facilities
00:26:10.53\00:26:15.30
how can they get
in touch with you
00:26:15.34\00:26:16.81
you have your website...
we'll put your website
00:26:16.84\00:26:18.81
up on the screen...
How can they contact you?
00:26:18.84\00:26:20.78
There is a
contact link on my website
00:26:20.81\00:26:22.91
they can also donate directly to
Conviction Ministries from there
00:26:22.94\00:26:26.48
what a lot of
people don't understand is
00:26:26.51\00:26:28.35
you just can't send
materials to prisons...
00:26:28.38\00:26:30.12
it has to come from a publisher,
it has to be brand new,
00:26:30.15\00:26:33.32
and because of
those restrictions
00:26:33.36\00:26:35.12
they're very picky...
and so Conviction Ministries
00:26:35.16\00:26:38.49
raises the money...
we then send that money
00:26:38.53\00:26:40.66
to the Publisher...
the Publisher then sends
00:26:40.70\00:26:42.70
those books directly to the
Chaplain or to the Prisoner...
00:26:42.73\00:26:46.00
so Conviction
Ministries facilitates that...
00:26:46.07\00:26:48.84
I call the Chaplains...
00:26:48.87\00:26:50.21
I develop a
relationship with them
00:26:50.24\00:26:51.77
tell them those
materials are coming in...
00:26:51.81\00:26:53.68
what it's really intended for,
00:26:53.71\00:26:55.54
and then those
Chaplains will pass it out...
00:26:55.58\00:26:57.41
Now, if we have a
Chaplain who isn't friendly
00:26:57.45\00:26:59.55
then the Publisher will
send those Bibles to each
00:26:59.58\00:27:01.72
individual that we have listed
00:27:01.75\00:27:03.35
so they can go
right to the website...
00:27:03.39\00:27:05.79
donate directly...
and it's no problem...
00:27:05.82\00:27:08.16
That is great... we
really need to have that kind
00:27:08.19\00:27:12.16
of a Study Bible
in these Facilities
00:27:12.19\00:27:14.76
so that people can
learn about Jesus...
00:27:14.83\00:27:17.37
and be able to go to
references that's really great
00:27:17.40\00:27:20.24
because those cross
references are important...
00:27:20.27\00:27:23.00
that helps you to dig
more deeply into the Word...
00:27:23.04\00:27:25.67
Thank you so
much for being with us
00:27:25.71\00:27:27.74
what a wonderful
ministry you have...
00:27:27.78\00:27:29.51
Thank you... what
a wonderful testimony
00:27:29.54\00:27:31.18
you have we
really appreciate it...
00:27:31.21\00:27:32.78
Greg's story is proof
that our God can take a life
00:27:32.81\00:27:37.02
that's headed in
the wrong direction...
00:27:37.05\00:27:39.15
turn it around...
give it purpose...
00:27:39.19\00:27:41.26
and passion...
00:27:41.29\00:27:42.62
I am so thrilled
about his ministry
00:27:42.66\00:27:44.76
make sure that you support him,
00:27:44.79\00:27:46.36
make sure that you
go to his website...
00:27:46.39\00:27:48.10
check out the website,
00:27:48.13\00:27:49.66
make donations to
Conviction Ministries Inc.
00:27:49.70\00:27:52.93
because people need
to know about our God...
00:27:52.97\00:27:56.30
Well, thanks for tuning in...
00:27:56.34\00:27:58.34
join us next time
because you know what...
00:27:58.37\00:28:01.14
it just wouldn't be
the same without you...
00:28:01.18\00:28:03.85