Stay tuned to meet a man
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who, though raised as
a Seventh-day Adventist,
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found himself living as
a mid-level drug dealer...
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My name is Yvonne Lewis
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and you're
watching Urban Report...
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Hello and welcome
to Urban Report...
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My guest today
is Greg Emelander,
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President of
Conviction Ministries Inc.
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Welcome to Urban
Report Greg... Thank you...
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It is so good to have you
here. It's good to be here...
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I've heard that you
have an amazing testimony...
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and I just met you today...
and from what I've heard...
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your story is something that
our Viewers really need to hear.
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So, tell me a little
bit about your background...
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Where were you born and raised?
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I was born in lonia, Michigan...
that's where we were raised...
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and my father was a farmer
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my mom worked in a
local doctor's office...
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and for most of my childhood,
it was spent in the country...
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I attended a
Seventh-day Adventist School
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all the way from first
through eighth grade...
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and by all accounts... I
had a really good childhood...
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So, you came from a
two-parent family...
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and... was your dad
very active in the home
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was he a strong
presence in your home?
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He was... of
course being a farmer
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there were long
hours during the summer
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but during the
winter... he was home...
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quite a bit... and he
was a good, Christian man
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he was always solid in terms of
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making sure that we
understood our faith...
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that we read our
Bible... so as I was raised...
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we definitely had a strong
Christian presence in the home.
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So, when did it
start to change for you...
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because you went from
1st through the 8th grade
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in a Seventh-day
Adventist School...
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were you spiritual
during that time...
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or did you begin to
change during that time...
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Towards the end of
7th through 8th grade...
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I began to change...
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of course my home
began to change as well...
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my parents began
fighting and in time...
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their fighting, of
course, affected my brother...
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my sister and I... and
our ability to communicate
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without
fighting... diminished...
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and so, that's kind of what
happened towards 7th and 8th
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so the family began
to kind of disintegrate
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Hmmm... hmmm... and with that
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came a change in you...
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so how did it
manifest itself, what happened?
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The biggest change came
when my parents announced
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that they were
going to get divorced...
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once they
divorced... they separated...
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and we children kind of
felt drawn to one parent
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or the other... Hmmm...
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it wasn't that we became "pawns"
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but we felt that
tension between the two...
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like we had to be loyal to one
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and kind of push away the other
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You had to pick
one... Yes, absolutely...
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Hmmm... hmmm...
and when you're around
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that individual... even
though they didn't say that
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that's kind of how we felt...
and there was a lot of strain
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between our
siblings... because of that...
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let's say my sister
wanted to be with my mom...
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I didn't want my
dad to be alone...
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so I wanted to be with my dad...
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but at the same time I
wanted to be with my mom...
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and that type of
tension between the siblings
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really created a bad atmosphere
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You know... it's amazing Greg,
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the impact that
divorce has on the children...
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it doesn't matter what age...
they can be adult children
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of the couple... but
divorce has a profound impact
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so, your sister
wanted to go with your mom
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you wanted to go with
your dad, Hmmm... hmmm...
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what happened...
how did it end up?
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Ultimately, that's
exactly what happened...
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I stayed with my
mom for a short while
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but I became
increasingly angry...
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I wanted to rebel... I
wasn't getting the attention
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that I felt I deserved and,
of course, I started acting out
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and ultimately that led
to some disciplinary issues
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I stole from a store
and got busted stealing...
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and so, that was the
first time I had interaction
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with the police... but
along with that rebellious
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attitude came
smoking cigarettes...
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because that was one thing I
knew I wasn't allowed to do...
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but yet... I did... and
at the end of 8th grade,
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they transferred us
to a public school...
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so, I went from a
Seventh-day Adventist School...
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to a public school... and
I was completely unprepared.
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That is a huge
transition isn't it?
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I had that happen to
me... and you go from a small...
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kind of intimate setting...
with the Adventist School
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sometimes to a
really big public school...
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and it's... the
classes are different,
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the people are different,
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so how did going to a public
school, impact you spiritually?
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Well, it impacted me
to such a degree that
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the spirituality was just
completely in the background...
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everything that I used
to be... a Pathfinder...
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I mean, I was a
dedicated child of God...
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but as soon as the
divorce happened...
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all of that disappeared...
even though my dad was taking
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us to Church on the
weekends that he had us...
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because we had to
switch back and forth...
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it was something I
wasn't even thinking about
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so, by the time I'm in School...
I'm not thinking about the Bible
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I'm not thinking about Christ,
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I'm not thinking
about God at all...
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I'm thinking about "How
can I develop friendships
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to where I don't feel rejected,
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or I don't feel I'm
not part of the group... "
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and that desire to
want to be accepted...
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ultimately led me
down a very dark path...
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So, 7th and 8th grades...
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those were the
pivotal years for you...
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that's when things just
kind of shifted into this real
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"drift away" from the
Lord and from the values
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that you had... when
you went to high school,
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did you develop the wrong...
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did you take on the wrong
friends... the wrong associates
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tell us about your
associates in high school...
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I was not athletic... I
was, kind of a small guy,
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I wasn't short... but I
was definitely skinny...
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so athleticism was
not in my gene pool...
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necessarily... not
within me individually...
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and I didn't necessarily
like the negative attention
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that the academics got...
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so I was ultimately
drawn to the troublemakers...
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and, of course, with
troublemakers comes trouble...
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and... so I began having
problems with my teachers
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with my parents...
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with individuals
just in the community
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and inside... internally...
all of the little choices
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that I was making... to rebel...
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every decision that I
made that was kind of...
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"going against
authority" built upon itself...
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and what I was doing
became progressively worse
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and worse and worse and worse,
and so I went from stealing...
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and smoking
cigarettes to smoking Marijuana,
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and then, my criminal activity
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as far as how I was acting
out became more aggressive...
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Tell us about that...
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so, for instance, I
remember one night...
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we had gotten into an
argument with an individual
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who had already
graduated high school,
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and he was a "bad kid" in town
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and I got the bright idea
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that we were going to
get him back one night...
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so, I had a truck... we
filled it with cinder blocks
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and we got him to chase us
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through town in the
middle of the night...
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and I had a friend in
the back of the truck...
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and he would pop up... and
I remember, he was throwing
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cinder blocks at this car
while we were doing high speeds
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down the middle of the town...
now, I was 16 at that time
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and we didn't care
whether or not somebody got hurt
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or whether or not
somebody even got killed...
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we just didn't care...
but that was... one small step
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that led ultimately
towards that larger journey
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Isn't it interesting,
Greg, how... you know...
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you make decisions and choices
that really don't reflect
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the intelligence that you
have, I mean, you don't think,
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from cause to effect... Hmmm...
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you're just
thinking this is what...
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you're kind of
ruled by your impulses,
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Absolutely...
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"This is what I feel like doing,
so this is what I'm going to do"
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and I mean, that's
why smoking weed...
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it's one of the reasons...
smoking weed... with teenagers
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is so bad...
because the frontal lobe
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is not as
developed as it should be...
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and so they're
smoking weed and then making
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choices that can just impact
them for the rest of their lives
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without realizing it... so,
these are some of the things
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that you were doing...
you had started smoking weed
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you had started to get
more and more aggressive
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Hmmm... hmmm...
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how did that play out
when you were maybe 18 or 19?
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Well, I had a pretty bad habit
as far as Marijuana went...
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but I didn't want to
have to pay for my habit
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and so I started
selling in order to cover that
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And how old were
you during this time?
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I started selling
when I was 17 Okay...
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but by 18 or 19... it
was pretty well established
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I had a certain
amount of clientele
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but I could tell that...
I really loved the money...
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I really loved the attention
that I was getting from
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living in that type of
lifestyle and ultimately
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I ended up meeting an individual
who became a connection for me,
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he was very well
connected with an Organization
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a criminal organization
that was trafficking
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large quantities of Marijuana
from Mexico through Texas
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and I mean,
semi-trailers full of weed...
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and he became
my solid connection
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and ultimately
I... through him...
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I started selling 10
pounds, 20 pounds, 30 pounds,
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40-pound blocks of Marijuana
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Oh, so, you went from
not really making much money
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because you were a
farmer's son all right...
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Hmmm... hmmm... so
you weren't really making
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much when you were doing work...
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to now...
you're making big money
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and you're getting
attached to the money...
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Oh absolutely...
Right... and the lifestyle...
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and everything
that goes with it...
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so, where did that take
you, what happened after that?
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Of course, with
drugs come... drug use...
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Hmmm... and I didn't keep the
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"cardinal rule"
of the drug dealer
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and I started
using my own supply...
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eventually that led to a
really bad Cocaine addiction
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because Marijuana
just wasn't enough for me,
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I got sick of having to
deal with larger quantities of
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Marijuana and
switched to Cocaine...
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and selling Cocaine, of
course, I'm using Cocaine
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and that addiction
just got insatiable...
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we were trafficking
in Ecstasy and Shrooms
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and pharmaceuticals... and
so my selection of material
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that I was
selling... it was large...
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they ended up calling
me the "Street Pharmacist"
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because I carried
so many of varieties of
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everything you could think of...
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On your person...
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On my person...
so, for instance if you
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see me today...
generally, I have a backpack...
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well, back in the
day... I had a backpack too...
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today my Bible is in there...
with my highlighting kit
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and everything
else... but back then...
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I would have 2 or 3
different grades of Marijuana,
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2 different types of Shrooms,
2 different kinds of Cocaine...
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and I'd have
pharmaceuticals through the roof
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and so, they called me
"The Street Pharmacist"
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because I carried a veritable
pharmacy... on my back...
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Wow! and see, honestly,
you don't look like you
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had a bunch of drugs on you,
I don't know how you looked then
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now, of course, you
have the love of the Lord
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and it's in your face... Yes...
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and your
countenance, but then...
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I don't know if you
looked like a hippie
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or you if you looked like
you were using drugs yourself...
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but, to me... it's amazing
how Satan just starts you
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at one place... you
weren't doing drugs at all
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at one point...
once you started...
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that was the gateway...
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and Marijuana just
led you to do Cocaine...
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which led you to
do the other things...
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and you just
spiraled downward...
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so, you began selling
and using and walking around
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with the drugs on your person...
Oh, I did... definitely...
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and nobody advised
you not to do that?
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I didn't care... I
got to the point where
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the people who
used to be my dealers
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then became my customers...
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and so, I became one of
the top dogs in the area...
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and even the Chief
of Police in my town
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would tell you
that for 3 and 1/2 years
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they focused on
trying to bust me
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that I was their main
focus for such a long time
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that when I finally
got arrested it was like
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they really didn't
understand how to go about
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doing the police
work that they were doing
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before they were
focusing on me...
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So you were so much the focal
point of their attention...
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and their activities...
that once they had you...
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they didn't
really know what to do...
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Yes... They didn't
have much more to do
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How did you avoid
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avoid getting locked up for
those 3 years, what did you do?
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Well, I didn't have a
criminal record to speak of
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when I finally got arrested...
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the DEA's Central
Michigan Enforcement Team...
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West Michigan Enforcement
Team, State Police and the
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County's Police Department,
Kent County Sheriff's Department
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they all busted me at once...
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and I was charged with
three counts of delivering
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and manufacturing
Cocaine less than 50 grams...
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but because of my
lack of criminal record
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and because of my
health problems at that time...
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and because of other factors,
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they just gave me
a slap on the wrist
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and that "slap on the
wrist" was 97 days in jail...
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felony probation...
life-time felony probation
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which was, I believe, 2
years, 8,000 dollars in fines,
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honestly... they were giving
me enough rope to hang myself
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because they knew
that I wasn't going to stop
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but with the
charges that I received...
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the maximum sentence
they could have given me
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was 40 years so
by giving me a rope,
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they knew that the
next time I got in trouble,
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they'd be able to
throw the book at me...
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And there was a next time...
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There absolutely
was... Tell us about that...
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So, I quit selling drugs...
after I got busted in 2003...
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but I never quit doing drugs...
now, I quit using Marijuana
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and Cocaine... but I
was still an addict...
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and I still wanted to get high
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so, what I did was... I
went to the doctor's office
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I started getting prescriptions
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and ultimately went
through a Pain Clinic
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and they prescribed
me Morphine, and Avinza
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which is 24-hours-
sustained-release-morphine
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and Fentanyl patches...
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and so, I was getting all
these prescriptions at once...
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and so the Fentanyl
patches, I started shooting up
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and I'd mix that
with Crack Cocaine...
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so, breakfast for me...
after a period of two years
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was honestly a syringe for
Fentanyl with Crack Cocaine
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and I'd have a 3-day
patch in each shot...
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so, now, Fentanyl being 80 times
more powerful than Morphine...
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you can imagine just
how high my tolerance was,
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the doctors, ultimately,
cut me off of my prescriptions
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and that's what led me to
doing what I ended up doing...
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Which... we're going
to come to in a second...
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So, Greg, this is
mind-boggling to me because
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I always think about...
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about God's
plan and Satan's plan
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and when you look and you see
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how God's plan is to prosper you
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and to give you an abundant life
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and Satan's plan
is to destroy you...
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and when you're on Satan's
path, and on that trajectory...
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you don't really see or
care about what's going on...
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Is that where you were?
did you care about your body
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did you care about what
this was doing to you...
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morally or
physically or spiritually...
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Not at all...
What were you thinking?
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I had no concern for my
well-being, as a matter of fact
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when I was 19, my lung collapsed
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the surgeon essentially
told me when I was healed...
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that one more time... if
it collapsed another time
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he would be able to fix it,
the third time... I'd be done
00:14:42.94\00:14:44.85
and so, at the age of 19...
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it was essentially a
death sentence... in my mind
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and so, I lived as
recklessly as you could...
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I had no concern about my life,
00:14:52.40\00:14:54.67
and honestly... I had no
concern for anybody else's...
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I was so
hot-headed that if somebody...
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I remember one
time somebody told me
00:14:58.68\00:15:00.62
to turn the radio
down... and the next thing...
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they knew he had a
bullet coming at him
00:15:02.28\00:15:03.60
and that was me... because
I just didn't care anymore
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and so, as far as shooting up
or doing something to my body,
00:15:06.36\00:15:09.85
it didn't matter...
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My! so what happened to you...
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what was the thing that really
happened that got your attention
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Well, when the
doctor's office cut me off...
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I started breaking into houses
in order to feed my habit...
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which ultimately led the
police officers to chase me down
00:15:23.62\00:15:26.29
and the day they arrested
me, I had a gun in the car,
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and I went to grab that
gun to shoot that officer,
00:15:29.08\00:15:31.76
and a passenger
who was in my car...
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grabbed that gun
before I could get it
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and restricted me
from getting to it...
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and then the cops pulled me out
of the car and I was arrested
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that was God's version of
saving my life... right there...
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and so, I went
through the Court process
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which was... five
months, then went to prison
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ultimately, I was
sentenced to 7 to 20 years
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in the Michigan
Department of Corrections...
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and when I got to prison,
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God started showing me all the
times that He had saved my life,
00:15:51.94\00:15:54.89
all the times He had stepped
in, in the face of my rebellion,
00:15:54.92\00:15:57.84
in the face of my stupidity...
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you know, you never see it
when you're living in it...
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Right... right...
because as you said...
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the devil tends to bind you,
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you're not focused on
God or spiritual things,
00:16:04.98\00:16:07.66
but God showed me all
the times He'd saved my life
00:16:07.69\00:16:10.36
the drug overdoses,
the armed robberies...
00:16:10.39\00:16:12.41
all the stupid
things that I did...
00:16:12.44\00:16:14.09
and that He just stepped
in and said, "You know what...
00:16:14.12\00:16:15.87
I'm going to cover
you in mercy right now,
00:16:15.90\00:16:17.97
because I know where you
can be 10 years from now," so...
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when I saw God's love,
honestly I was so taken aback
00:16:20.68\00:16:25.95
by the fact that
even in that rebellion...
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He cared enough to save my life,
00:16:27.65\00:16:29.13
that really brought me back
to who I used to be as a child
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and I started asking myself,
00:16:33.29\00:16:34.40
"Why did I end up here...
who am I, really who am I?
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because now, all
the drugs are gone...
00:16:37.86\00:16:39.36
all the "numbing" is gone
that I had been trying to do
00:16:39.40\00:16:43.09
to stop myself
from really processing
00:16:43.13\00:16:45.28
all the bad choices that I
made, all those are gone...
00:16:45.31\00:16:48.56
and now I'm faced with
reality, and it was hard...
00:16:48.59\00:16:51.80
but I could feel
God's love there,
00:16:51.84\00:16:53.78
and I could feel
Him really guiding me...
00:16:53.82\00:16:55.68
and so I got on
my knees one night...
00:16:55.72\00:16:57.51
and I just started asking
for forgiveness for every sin
00:16:57.55\00:17:00.30
that I could think of... I
ended up in tears that night,
00:17:00.33\00:17:03.04
and obviously
sobbing on my bunk...
00:17:03.08\00:17:05.24
and I crawl back under that bunk
and as I rolled under that bunk,
00:17:05.28\00:17:08.01
I've told people that... I
felt as if the weight of sin
00:17:08.05\00:17:11.42
was coming off my body...
00:17:11.45\00:17:12.49
like 8 inches of concrete
was rising up off of my body...
00:17:12.53\00:17:16.32
and it was incredible
because I knew at that point
00:17:16.36\00:17:19.76
that I had...
honestly been forgiven
00:17:19.79\00:17:21.18
and I know... God
doesn't do that for everybody
00:17:21.21\00:17:23.56
but I needed it right
then... I had to have it...
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because I was at such
a point of hopelessness
00:17:25.73\00:17:27.73
because I had broken into my
00:17:27.77\00:17:28.94
parents' house to
feed my addiction...
00:17:28.98\00:17:30.37
I had broken into my
dad's house to steal that pistol
00:17:30.41\00:17:32.79
I was going to
shoot that cop with...
00:17:32.82\00:17:34.05
I was on my way to go
rob a pharmacy by the way...
00:17:34.09\00:17:36.38
but I could feel God's love
00:17:36.41\00:17:39.30
and I knew that I
had been forgiven...
00:17:39.33\00:17:40.96
and I knew at that point in
my life... even though I didn't
00:17:41.00\00:17:43.20
have a clue of what it
was going to look like...
00:17:43.24\00:17:44.46
I knew my life was
going to be different
00:17:44.50\00:17:46.07
and I knew that
00:17:46.10\00:17:47.34
even though I had 7
years of prison to do
00:17:47.38\00:17:49.30
that somehow it was going
to be used to glorify God...
00:17:49.34\00:17:51.82
See... oh it is so juicy...
because, what you just showed us
00:17:51.86\00:17:58.30
really... is that
you had a physiological
00:17:58.34\00:18:02.26
response... to God's forgiveness
00:18:02.30\00:18:05.11
you felt that peace
that comes over you...
00:18:05.15\00:18:07.63
when you feel forgiven by God...
00:18:07.67\00:18:09.30
it doesn't matter
what you've done...
00:18:09.33\00:18:11.26
Viewers, it doesn't
matter what you've done...
00:18:11.30\00:18:14.52
God will forgive you...
00:18:14.56\00:18:16.93
Greg, I want you to look
into your camera there...
00:18:16.96\00:18:19.74
and I want you
to tell a young man
00:18:19.77\00:18:21.91
who is right now in
the throes of sin...
00:18:21.94\00:18:25.07
and where you were...
drug dealing, robbing...
00:18:25.10\00:18:28.16
all that stuff... and
tell him... what to do...
00:18:28.19\00:18:31.75
how he can break free...
00:18:31.78\00:18:34.07
of that feeling of
just... imprisonment...
00:18:34.10\00:18:36.78
"One thing that I
understood that really
00:18:36.81\00:18:39.73
God brought to
my heart was that...
00:18:39.77\00:18:42.62
'your past does not
have to dictate your future'
00:18:42.65\00:18:45.15
what you've done in
the past is irrelevant...
00:18:45.19\00:18:47.65
God loves you nonetheless,
00:18:47.69\00:18:49.01
and He's willing to
take you off from that...
00:18:49.05\00:18:51.10
and really... the
only thing that binds you
00:18:51.13\00:18:53.36
is your choice,
whether to accept the love
00:18:53.40\00:18:55.54
and the mercy and
forgiveness that God has...
00:18:55.57\00:18:57.68
if you're willing to accept that
He's willing to give it to you,
00:18:57.71\00:19:00.13
and I promise you
whatever sins you've committed
00:19:00.17\00:19:02.64
He's wanting to forgive you,
00:19:02.68\00:19:03.85
and whatever binds
you at this time...
00:19:03.89\00:19:05.88
he's willing to
break from around you...
00:19:05.91\00:19:07.71
and He can lead you in
that path of peace... He will...
00:19:07.75\00:19:11.09
I promise... that's
one thing He's promised us
00:19:11.13\00:19:13.01
that's what
salvation is about... "
00:19:13.05\00:19:15.25
Thank you... that is so
true and people need to hear it
00:19:15.28\00:19:19.90
and then he can
hear it from someone...
00:19:19.93\00:19:21.61
who's been there...
00:19:21.64\00:19:22.85
who's been doing the
same things they're doing...
00:19:22.89\00:19:25.17
it's not like somebody like me
00:19:25.20\00:19:27.26
that doesn't know
firsthand about it...
00:19:27.29\00:19:29.62
if you know firsthand
about it, and you've experienced
00:19:29.65\00:19:32.17
going through the lawlessness,
00:19:32.21\00:19:34.49
and then you
experience God's peace...
00:19:34.53\00:19:37.68
we're all sinners...
00:19:37.72\00:19:39.31
we're all sinners and
in need of a Savior...
00:19:39.35\00:19:41.55
and we just have
different paths that we go down
00:19:41.58\00:19:44.47
but we're all
sinners, and we just praise God
00:19:44.51\00:19:47.37
that He delivers us... Amen...
00:19:47.40\00:19:49.56
because He will put us
back on solid ground...
00:19:49.59\00:19:52.07
so, I need to ask you this
because I didn't ask before...
00:19:52.10\00:19:56.26
when you decided
that you were coming back
00:19:56.30\00:19:59.23
to the Lord...
did you have someone
00:19:59.27\00:20:01.67
in prison that was saying,
00:20:01.70\00:20:03.11
"Hey, you need to kind
of look at yourself... "
00:20:03.15\00:20:05.20
or was it the Holy Spirit
directly... talking to you?
00:20:05.24\00:20:08.42
It was the Holy
Spirit... when I went to prison,
00:20:08.45\00:20:11.38
I started looking
at who was around me...
00:20:11.41\00:20:13.21
Hmmm... and by looking at those
00:20:13.25\00:20:14.80
around me... at
first you want to sit there
00:20:14.83\00:20:16.87
and point fingers kind
of like the Pharisee and
00:20:16.91\00:20:18.91
the Publican and the sinners
00:20:18.95\00:20:20.27
in the Synagogue...
and as I'm looking at these
00:20:20.30\00:20:22.76
individuals... and
I'm pointing fingers
00:20:22.79\00:20:24.81
in my mind... I realize
I'm in the same place they are,
00:20:24.84\00:20:27.77
so in Society's eyes...
I'm no different than they are
00:20:27.81\00:20:30.70
Hmmm... hmmm... so,
I've got a serial killer
00:20:30.74\00:20:32.45
on one side or a
serial rapist on one side
00:20:32.48\00:20:34.05
I've got an axe
murderer on the other,
00:20:34.09\00:20:35.48
and in Society's eyes...
00:20:35.51\00:20:37.07
I am no different...
00:20:37.10\00:20:38.44
so who am I to judge them,
00:20:38.47\00:20:39.61
and so that's what
really got me to thinking
00:20:39.65\00:20:42.42
about the fact that,
"Hey, I had every opportunity
00:20:42.45\00:20:44.96
in the world...
I've the whole future
00:20:44.99\00:20:47.71
is laid out in front of
me... there are no obstacles...
00:20:47.75\00:20:50.38
except my own choices...
" and when I realized that
00:20:50.41\00:20:53.80
it was on me... that
those were my choices
00:20:53.84\00:20:55.86
that I made that led
me to where I was at,
00:20:55.89\00:20:57.85
well, that opened up a
whole different situation...
00:20:57.88\00:21:01.29
So, how long... after
you had this realization
00:21:01.33\00:21:05.67
and this epiphany and
this experience with God...
00:21:05.70\00:21:10.34
how long after that...
did you get out of prison?
00:21:10.38\00:21:14.15
seven years... it was
actually six and a half
00:21:14.19\00:21:17.90
Okay... so, I'd already done
five months in the Country jail
00:21:17.93\00:21:21.24
when I finally got sentenced
00:21:21.28\00:21:22.62
and went to Michigan
Department of Corrections...
00:21:22.66\00:21:24.34
so, I'd been in the Michigan
Department of Corrections
00:21:24.38\00:21:26.55
formally for only 16 days...
but I had five months previous
00:21:26.59\00:21:30.10
to that... to
really start weighing
00:21:30.13\00:21:31.86
what had happened...
00:21:31.90\00:21:33.05
so I went through 7
years of prison... in all...
00:21:33.08\00:21:36.62
7 years of incarceration
00:21:36.66\00:21:37.88
and in that time...
God gave me opportunities
00:21:37.91\00:21:40.51
left and right to
practice my faith...
00:21:40.54\00:21:42.49
one... to get
grounded... my dad sent me a
00:21:42.53\00:21:44.40
"Conflict of Ages"
series and I went through that
00:21:44.43\00:21:46.57
and then the Bible
studies from Amazing Facts...
00:21:46.61\00:21:49.10
and my dad had given me
one of the biggest gifts...
00:21:49.13\00:21:51.58
it was the
Bible... and that Bible...
00:21:51.62\00:21:53.33
I began studying...
and I really started just
00:21:53.36\00:21:56.52
allowing that to become
a big part of my life...
00:21:56.56\00:21:59.69
you know...
getting back into the Word
00:21:59.72\00:22:01.51
and understanding those
promises that were in there...
00:22:01.55\00:22:03.65
understanding what it
meant to be a child of God...
00:22:03.69\00:22:05.73
to have that position in Christ
understanding what freedom
00:22:05.76\00:22:09.63
what salvation was all
about, it was huge for me
00:22:09.67\00:22:11.62
because then... it
allowed me to realize
00:22:11.65\00:22:13.37
that I already had
victory over all these things
00:22:13.40\00:22:15.38
that the devil was
trying to tell me...
00:22:15.41\00:22:16.64
which he had me bound by...
00:22:16.67\00:22:18.04
and by
understanding that freedom,
00:22:18.07\00:22:20.36
I was able to
share that with others...
00:22:20.39\00:22:22.27
so no matter what
prison I went to...
00:22:22.31\00:22:24.15
I had Bible Study Groups
00:22:24.18\00:22:25.28
whether I'd be
studying with officers
00:22:25.32\00:22:26.53
or whether it was prisoners,
sometimes in the visiting room
00:22:26.57\00:22:29.28
I had the Bible Study
with my then-fiancée...
00:22:29.31\00:22:31.92
and you'd see people
across from me listening
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to the conversation and
then once they were gone...
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the officers would
start asking questions
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about what we were
talking about in our Bible Study
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and I could just see God working
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Yes, how awesome is that!
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It doesn't
matter where we are...
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Right... wherever we are...
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we can let our light shine,
and once you have that spirit
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of God in you... you can't...
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it's like fire shut up
in your bones... right?
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That's right... you
have to talk about it...
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so look at what God did
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even where you
were at that time...
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you were then, now
bringing other people to Him
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and allowing God to use you
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so that they could
experience His peace as well...
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That's right...
and it didn't stop
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once I got out of prison...
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I formed "Conviction
Ministries Incorporated"
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That was going to be my
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next question...
tell us about that...
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So, Conviction Ministries
Incorporated is kind of the
00:23:17.89\00:23:20.42
outgrowth of the burden
that God put on my heart...
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in prison I had real difficulty
finding quality material
00:23:22.94\00:23:27.09
once you are in prison,
you are pretty much cut off
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from Society...
everybody you knew in Church
00:23:29.51\00:23:31.80
pretty much wants
to push you away...
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but Hebrews 13 says...
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to remember those
that are in prison
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as though you are
in prison with them...
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as though you are
chained with them...
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and when I got out... I
realized just because I was
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out of prison didn't
mean that I didn't have a duty
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to those individuals
that I left behind...
00:23:44.38\00:23:45.92
so, I started
raising money to send
00:23:45.96\00:23:48.25
quality Study Bibles back in...
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because I realized we
can send tons of books
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into prisons... but
what they really need
00:23:52.50\00:23:54.83
is number one... a Bible...
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and number 2, the Study Guides
that have to go with the Bibles
00:23:56.14\00:23:59.30
because if I send a
Bible into prison...
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there are going to be
a hundred people there
00:24:00.99\00:24:02.57
to misinterpret that Bible...
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but, if I send a Bible
in there and in that Bible
00:24:04.18\00:24:07.37
is cross reference and has all
of our material... in that Bible
00:24:07.41\00:24:11.23
it becomes much harder
for somebody to come along
00:24:11.27\00:24:14.41
and tell the
recipient of that Bible
00:24:14.45\00:24:16.72
error... and so
they don't accept it...
00:24:16.76\00:24:18.97
so Conviction Ministries
was formed to raise money
00:24:19.00\00:24:21.96
to purchase our...
Seventh-day Adventist material
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our Study Bibles...
and to send them back in...
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That's tremendous...
00:24:26.89\00:24:29.09
and how old is
Convictions Ministries?
00:24:29.12\00:24:30.94
I had to start it
when I got off parole...
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because they said... it was
about a "conflict of interest"
00:24:32.75\00:24:34.95
so, I formally
started it in 2012...
00:24:34.98\00:24:37.85
and between 2013 and
2014... so far, we have sent in
00:24:37.89\00:24:43.11
over 14,000 dollars in Bibles...
00:24:43.14\00:24:46.26
now, I'm working with
Remnant Publications right now
00:24:46.30\00:24:49.35
to come out with an
Outreach edition of our Bible
00:24:49.38\00:24:52.27
so, it will have all
the Remnant Study Guides
00:24:52.31\00:24:55.16
in the back...
all the study material
00:24:55.19\00:24:56.54
that comes in the
Remnant Study Bible
00:24:56.58\00:24:57.86
will be in the back...
the only thing it won't have
00:24:57.89\00:25:00.51
is the Spirit of
Prophecy quotes in the front...
00:25:00.54\00:25:02.59
Tell us what's in there...
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So, in the
Bible that we'll have,
00:25:03.98\00:25:05.93
it will have the
parables of Christ
00:25:05.96\00:25:07.88
it will have the sanctuary...
00:25:07.92\00:25:09.38
all the furniture of
the sanctuary broken down
00:25:09.42\00:25:11.25
because what a lot of
people don't understand is...
00:25:11.29\00:25:13.21
the sanctuary message
00:25:13.24\00:25:14.67
is actually the key to
understanding salvation
00:25:14.71\00:25:17.12
if you understand what
00:25:17.15\00:25:18.39
each of those
pieces of furniture mean,
00:25:18.43\00:25:20.18
you will understand
a facet of salvation...
00:25:20.22\00:25:21.95
Hmmm... hmmm... and
so, the Remnant Study Bible
00:25:21.99\00:25:23.93
breaks that down... it
also has one of the largest
00:25:23.96\00:25:26.11
concordances that you
can find in any Bible...
00:25:26.14\00:25:28.25
it's a 3-column,
180-page concordance...
00:25:28.29\00:25:30.72
on top of that, it
covers the miracles,
00:25:30.76\00:25:32.98
it covers the parables,
00:25:33.01\00:25:34.04
has sections from
Christ's Object Lessons
00:25:34.08\00:25:36.53
and it goes through
all of our doctrines
00:25:36.56\00:25:38.91
as a 26-topic chain reference,
00:25:38.94\00:25:41.20
so that it takes
you not only through the
00:25:41.24\00:25:43.35
fundamentals of our doctrines,
00:25:43.38\00:25:44.79
but it goes through
some of the finer facets
00:25:44.82\00:25:47.21
of our doctrines that
kind of off-shoot subjects
00:25:47.25\00:25:49.60
that most Study Bibles and
00:25:49.63\00:25:51.63
definitely no other
Adventist Bible covers
00:25:51.66\00:25:53.49
and so, I want to be able to
provide that message for anybody
00:25:53.53\00:25:57.37
in prison who wants to
understand the truth...
00:25:57.41\00:26:00.54
and by offering a Bible
at an inexpensive rate...
00:26:00.57\00:26:03.67
we'll be able to
reach a lot of individuals
00:26:03.70\00:26:05.69
that we never would
have been able to touch...
00:26:05.72\00:26:07.48
That is wonderful... now
suppose some people want to
00:26:07.51\00:26:10.52
donate Bibles to prisoners
to inmates in various Facilities
00:26:10.56\00:26:15.33
how can they get
in touch with you
00:26:15.37\00:26:16.82
you have your website...
we'll put your website
00:26:16.86\00:26:18.82
up on the screen...
How can they contact you?
00:26:18.86\00:26:20.79
There is a
contact link on my website
00:26:20.82\00:26:22.93
they can also donate directly to
Conviction Ministries from there
00:26:22.97\00:26:26.50
what a lot of
people don't understand is
00:26:26.53\00:26:28.36
you just can't send
materials to prisons...
00:26:28.39\00:26:30.15
it has to come from a publisher,
it has to be brand new,
00:26:30.18\00:26:33.33
and because of
those restrictions
00:26:33.36\00:26:35.15
they're very picky...
and so Conviction Ministries
00:26:35.18\00:26:38.50
raises the money...
we then send that money
00:26:38.53\00:26:40.67
to the Publisher...
the Publisher then sends
00:26:40.70\00:26:42.76
those books directly to the
Chaplain or to the Prisoner...
00:26:42.80\00:26:46.07
so Conviction
Ministries facilitates that...
00:26:46.11\00:26:48.89
I call the Chaplains...
00:26:48.92\00:26:50.14
I develop a
relationship with them
00:26:50.18\00:26:51.83
tell them those
materials are coming in...
00:26:51.86\00:26:53.72
what it's really intended for,
00:26:53.75\00:26:55.60
and then those
Chaplains will pass it out...
00:26:55.64\00:26:57.45
Now, if we have a
Chaplain who isn't friendly
00:26:57.48\00:26:59.60
then the Publisher will
send those Bibles to each
00:26:59.63\00:27:01.71
individual that we have listed
00:27:01.75\00:27:03.34
so they can go
right to the website...
00:27:03.38\00:27:05.78
donate directly...
and it's no problem...
00:27:05.81\00:27:08.14
That is great... we
really need to have that kind
00:27:08.17\00:27:12.15
of a Study Bible
in these Facilities
00:27:12.18\00:27:14.80
so that people can
learn about Jesus...
00:27:14.84\00:27:17.38
and be able to go to
references that's really great
00:27:17.42\00:27:20.24
because those cross
references are important...
00:27:20.27\00:27:23.04
that helps you to dig
more deeply into the Word...
00:27:23.07\00:27:25.69
Thank you so
much for being with us
00:27:25.73\00:27:27.75
what a wonderful
ministry you have...
00:27:27.79\00:27:29.54
Thank you... what
a wonderful testimony
00:27:29.58\00:27:31.21
you have we
really appreciate it...
00:27:31.24\00:27:32.81
Greg's story is proof
that our God can take a life
00:27:32.84\00:27:37.04
that's headed in
the wrong direction...
00:27:37.07\00:27:39.17
turn it around...
give it purpose...
00:27:39.20\00:27:41.27
and passion...
00:27:41.30\00:27:42.58
I am so thrilled
about his ministry
00:27:42.61\00:27:44.77
make sure that you support him,
00:27:44.81\00:27:46.37
make sure that you
go to his website...
00:27:46.41\00:27:48.14
check out the website,
00:27:48.18\00:27:49.71
make donations to
Conviction Ministries Inc.
00:27:49.74\00:27:52.99
because people need
to know about our God...
00:27:53.03\00:27:56.36
Well, thanks for tuning in...
00:27:56.39\00:27:58.40
join us next time
because you know what...
00:27:58.43\00:28:01.13
it just wouldn't be
the same without you...
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