This is Part 2... so
stay tuned to meet a man
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who was caught up
in the Music Industry
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as well as Corporate America
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and walked away
from God for 15 years...
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hear the 2nd part of his story
of restoration and redemption...
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My name is Yvonne
Lewis and you're watching
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Urban Report...
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Hello and welcome
to Urban Report...
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My guest today is Lance Brown
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Evangelist,
Musician and Businessman...
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Lance, welcome
back... to Urban Report.
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Amen... praise God...
God be praised... amen...
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You know... your
story was so good
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and we've got
Part 1 but we ended it
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and I just felt like
there was so much more
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that we didn't
cover... God be praised...
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Yes, yes... so
let's go back a little...
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for those viewers
who didn't see Part 1...
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Okay... let's just kind of
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give them a little recap
and then we'll move into Part 2
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Okay... so, you
grew up as an Adventist
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kind of a "sad-ventist"
right? Right "sad-ventist... "
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you were born in Jamaica,
and then you came to the States
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to be with your folks, At
a very young age... yes...
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Tell us about your
journey, from about Age 15 on...
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Age 15 on... coming
out of Junior High School
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I started meeting a
lot of popular folks
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even before I got
into High School...
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I went to Junior High
School with William Haley
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the only grandson
of author of "Roots"
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Alex Haley and went
into Musicana High School
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very popular
School in New York City...
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wow, famous...
Yes... a lot of good artists
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from different genres of
music that taught you to focus
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on whatever else
you were going to do...
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Hmmm... and got drawn in from
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Junior High School on...
when hip-hop was just starting
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when reggae dance
hall became popular
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when all those genres of music
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were independent
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and then... after a
while... began to merge
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and I knew both worlds...
and got deeply involved
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in the music business.
What was your spiritual level
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at Age 15... where
were you spiritually?
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I have no idea where I was...
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I mean... my mind wasn't...
technically I was going to
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church... in fact I
did everything in church...
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I was in Pathfinders,
Choir, AY-Adventist Youth,
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Sabbath
School... we would go out
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but... nothing
stuck... I couldn't wait...
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to get home, take my
clothes off... change...
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run down to the park,
listen to some hip-hop,
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write some rhymes and
get back to the park...
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there was
nothing that grounded me
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in the church... even though
I was attending each week...
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Isn't it interesting how
we can go through the motions
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we can be there physically,
but our hearts aren't there
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Absolutely, absolutely...
To me, it's a very deep thing
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just kind of walking
through, but not being there...
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Absolutely... you
know, even at that same time
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and some of these
things my parents are actually
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going to hear
for the first time,
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well, they knew about
the cousins who were involved
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in drug dealing and
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and we had other
folks from the neighborhood
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and I would be
involved in that as well too...
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you know, we would run drugs
up and down the neighborhood
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and that became
another source of money
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that got us the power
from the individuals in the
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neighborhood who
became "famous" and, you know,
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the music, the money, the
drug running, the womanizing
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all that from
Junior High School Wow...
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and then going into High
School where the music...
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if you did it well...
can attract... so many people
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and, I was hungry, I
was a glut for attention
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and it just sucked me
in... That world is so seductive
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that industry is so seductive,
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and you don't even realize
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how you're just getting
pulled in... little by little...
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until you're doing...
you're beginning to do things
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that you thought you'd never do.
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Absolutely... I never
thought I would take a drink
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of alcohol... I never thought
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that I would have children
and just walk away from them
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as if they didn't
exist, just literally...
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just walked away from them like,
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"Hi, yes, I'm your dad, but
I'm here today... I'll play"
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and then... I'm
gone... I'm gone...
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I never thought that I
would just treat women as if
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you know, they're just
a toy, until I get bored
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and then I just
throw that toy away
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and then... there's another
one I never thought that...
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you know and I
literally tried to sit down
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and think... how
many times have I done...
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and couldn't even
remember how much lives
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I possibly just ruined...
you know and never thought
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that I'd be playing the
devil's message in song...
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Yes... yes... so you
got really caught up into
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the whole music
lifestyle... Yes...
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because as we said in
Part 1, the values begin to get
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shaped by the
music... Correct...
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and so your values
got shaped by the music
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Yes... Did you get involved
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in the drug
world? You know, ah...
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that's another thing,
a lot of the excitement
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that TV sets you up
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and plants seeds
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Hmmm... and it
looks really cool,
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so, that way, as
Sister White says,
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"Once you have one
principle working on you...
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it becomes easy to
slip something else in... "
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and so, it looked so attractive,
to see those things on TV
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that by the time
my cousins and folks
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were running drugs
up and down, they'd go,
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"Hey, you want
to make a trip?" and
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I'd say, "Sure,
I'll make a trip... "
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all right... "Go
there... and rob this guy,
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and bring the drugs back to us"
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you know, and we go there
and we'd find out where the guy
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has his drugs and
we rob these drugs
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and it's exciting...
we're not thinking...
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"Hold on, I could
die... " my parents don't know
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that their little boy
is out there doing this...
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How old were you? I
was, at that time, about...
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I was in Junior High School...
Wow, so you were robbing
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drug dealers...
when you were about 15?
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Not at gun point...
just find out where they have
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the drugs and go in...
steal it and be gone...
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before they can
catch you... and then hear
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later on that
they're looking for you...
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and you got to hide
out... but no one would suspect
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you know... ah...
you'll find him in church
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next Sabbath... you know, and,
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still kept good grades,
still kept up the facade
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at church...
still kept up the facade
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at home... until my father began
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smelling alcohol on
me... I couldn't wake up
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on Sabbath
mornings, and, you know,
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one thing that God
did, to really shake me up
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one time... I'll
never forget one morning
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I was lying on the
couch in the front room
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and my father came to
wake me for Sabbath School...
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and he thought I was
sleeping, and I'll never forget,
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he stood by the door
and he didn't know what kind
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of person I had become
when he smelled all this on me
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and he took his
towel and hit me with it
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and stepped back...
and I remember waking up
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and saying,
"Have I gone that far
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have I gone that far?"
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and it bothered me from
that day on until now...
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When he jumped
back... you mean, out of fear
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of what your reaction would be?
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Like he doesn't know if I'm high
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or if I'm going
to wake up violent
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or if I'm going to
hit him or... you know...
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and until he
watches this, he'll not know
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that I was
awake... and he'll not know
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how God used that...
when He was drawing me back
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to say, "Remember when
your father attacked...
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what have you
become... what have you become?"
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and it was such a hard road...
You know, isn't it interesting
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Lance, how we can
start out in one place...
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and the enemy just
makes you spiral downward
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till you become
something that...
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you didn't start out
that way, Absolutely...
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but you just kind
of keep spiraling down
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that's his plan...
just like God has a plan,
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the enemy's
plan is to destroy us
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and he does it
systematically, You know that...
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that point you
made is so powerful...
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I like to think of the analogy
of one of the things I do
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is that... God has
got me involved in the
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Construction Industry now
that helps support the ministry
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and I became a
certified Asbestos Inspector...
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and when I got the
test, praise God, He gave me
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the only answers on
the test thank you Jesus...
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Amen... amen... I
learned... asbestos could be
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all around in this
room, and killing you...
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but you can't see
it... Come on now...
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it's in a
microscopic form... Come on...
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and because you
decided to place yourself in
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the atmosphere
where that thing exists...
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Come on now... you don't know...
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unless you have the
light and the magnification
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at a certain
amount... in the thousands
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you can't see it... and
asbestos... the Greek name
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written for it...
means indestructible...
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you can't burn it...
and when it goes into you,
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it's not coming
out... it's going to do
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it's destructive
work... Come on now...
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unless someone knows
how to deal with it...
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Come on now... I see
where you're going...
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and that was...
that's what was happening
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with me... that
was... what I was doing
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when I was giving
Satan's asbestos to the world...
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that's what's
happening right now...
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People say, "Well,
I can't see it... "
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you know, and folks say,
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"Well, I haven't seen
the results of it... "
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only to find out
in that same class...
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you don't see the
results of asbestos
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until 30 years later... Wow...
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and now, here I am,
looking back at my life,
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seeing the results, the
effect it had on my family,
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the effect it
had on my children,
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my broken... you
know... 3 different mothers...
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3 different
children... and trying to try
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to get that
time back together...
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30 years later...
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I'm looking
back... at the effects
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of what that has
done... and 30 years later
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I'm seeing
people on the street...
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that I see... "Wow, I could
have ministered to that person
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but I dropped
them at the party...
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I made that person go
from being what they were
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to what they are...
so I'm responsible...
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to go back
out... and say something
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and do something... "
Wow, that is so powerful
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that whole asbestos analogy...
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where you don't see it,
but it's working on you,
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it's chipping
away at your health,
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it's working on you
silently... insidiously...
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Absolutely...
that's what sin does...
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big time... and
the other analogy
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God gave me was...
second-hand smoke...
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Come on... come
on... I don't smoke...
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I never smoked... but
when you ever go to the
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club... I don't
want to bring back
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your flashback... if
you ever go to the club...
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Well, it's true...
it would be a flashback
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because I went
back in those days...
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Now... no backslide...
but I remember coming home
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from the club one day,
and I went like this...
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I went... smell...
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and I smelled all that stench
of smoke that was in my clothes
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I sent it out
to... I couldn't believe
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that is what I was
sucking in all night...
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I wasn't smoking... but all
the people around me were...
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but I didn't sense it
because I was too caught up
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in this... that I
didn't focus on that...
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and until I
changed the atmospheres...
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I couldn't smell it...
and so... we do that with sin
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folks in the church say,
"Oh, I'll never watch that stuff
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I'll never do the
stuff I watch on TV... "
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but, guess
what? you're taking in
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instead of second-hand smoke
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you're taking in
second-hand sin...
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Hmmm... and it's
more subtle because
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Jesus says, "Even by your
thoughts... you can be lost... "
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so, what you're saying
when you're watching that,
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listening to that
music... you're saying...
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"You know what... I
know this is wrong...
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but... I know God doesn't want
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me to do it... but... "
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that's the very
thing that Eve did...
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when Satan lied to her...
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"But you know...
God said this... "
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here's what God said...
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but here's what I'm seeing... "
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Hmmm... hmmm... and
that's what drew me out
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that's what make a lot of people
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do what I said to Jill
when we were talking outside
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when she said to me...
"Lance, I was in Church
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but I wasn't
connected... " and I said,
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"So, you were
basically lost in Church... "
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That's right... I do a
talk... actually a sermon
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called, "Lost in
the House" Hmmm...
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because it's based on
Luke 15... "The Lost Coin... "
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you can be lost in
the house of God...
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Absolutely... and
just not even know
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that you're lost...
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Absolutely... and
that that's when Satan is
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as I go around to speak...
I try not to preach more
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than just
talk... and let God say
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what He has to
say... and I find that
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people forget that
the greatest sins...
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are not the ones you can see...
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Hmmm... because
Satan is not most evil
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when he makes you know
that you're doing something
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evil... Hmmm...
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the Bible says... "He
was the most subtle... "
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that little subtle
sin... is what will make you go
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"That's just a
little... " but it takes just
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that little sin...
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to make you lose eternity...
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now, I can understand if
you lost eternity because
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you've got a billion
dollars and a billion women,
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and a billion
guys... a billion houses...
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I can understand
that... but you lost eternity
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because God said,
"Say 'hello' to that person
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you haven't spoken
to in 20 years... "
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just say hello...
" and you wouldn't...
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in Church... Hmmm...
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that... Is really deep...
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it's really deep...
so, here you were...
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you were doing all these things
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and in Part 1 we
talked about how God
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did His interceptions... right?
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Yes... and this last one
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that we talked
about... in Part 1...
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God actually
basically came to you...
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a presence came to you...
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tell us... you were like just
living that whole Corporate life
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at this point...
you were living in the
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Corporate world
right... and successful...
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Yes... what was it that happened
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that drew you to
God... take us there...
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A testimony... Hmmm...
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it wasn't a pastor...
it wasn't a Bible Study...
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it was a testimony...
Revelation 12:11 came to life
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Hmmm... I can't relate to
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Moses' testimony...
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I haven't been around sheep...
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I can read it, I
can understand it,
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but it doesn't click
with me... Yes... yeah...
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You know and so, I
understand now why Jesus
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says... "they overcame
by their testimonies... "
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but unless we have a testimony
that we can overcome by
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then... we're not
going to overcome...
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and so, I was
reading the testimony of this
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gentleman by the
name of Hyrum W. Smith...
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a very successful CEO...
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traveling the world and
teaching entire companies
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"Time Management"
meeting millionaires and
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billionaires... and this man...
opens up his book and says,
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"Everything you
will read in this book
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can also be found in the Bible"
and I go... "The Bible...!"
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I thought... "I've
been a Seventh-day Adventist
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I've read the Bible fast...
there's no Time Management
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principles in the Bible...
and I'm reading through this
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and I would have closed
and thrown away the book
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after I saw "God"
and "church" in it...
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if I didn't admit to myself,
"You know... this is the best
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time management
book I've ever read... "
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that's from the Bible?
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It blew my mind... I
saw God in a more practical
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daily, "help your
life" way, Hmmm...
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that I didn't see
before... I saw God not just as
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God the Father... and the
God... when we were growing up
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you don't question God, so
you don't ask Him questions
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that's how we
interpret it as... Hmmm...
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I saw God as...
"No" the practical...
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basically... anybody in life...
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is going to teach you
some kind of philosophy...
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"Oh, here's how
you live your life... "
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"No, here's how
you live your life... "
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"No, here's how
you live your life... "
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and God says,
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"Listen, here is how you do it
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because I'm the
one who created it...
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I wrote every law
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that runs everything...
and business-wise...
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you want to become successful,
follow the successful laws...
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of business... you
want to have the best health
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follow successful
laws of health... "
00:17:13.81\00:17:15.63
and so, it made
perfect sense and so I said,
00:17:15.67\00:17:19.54
"Hold on... the Bible is really
just to guide us to say...
00:17:19.57\00:17:22.92
'here's is the God who made
these laws... if there is a law
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and a way to connect
with Him'" which there is...
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"I should be
able to follow it...
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experimental knowledge...
" Sister White says...
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"and get the results...
" and so said... so done...
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when I read that testimony,
and I tried it for myself...
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so said... so done...
Isn't it interesting how
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you were able to see
God in a whole new way...
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He's the same
God... He didn't change...
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but your
perception of Him changed...
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Absolutely...
absolutely... it made no sense
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for me to argue
with people and say,
00:18:01.64\00:18:03.03
"Well, your God is this God...
and my God is that God... "
00:18:03.06\00:18:06.05
you know, as I said
to someone recently...
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we could be arguing
about the same thing
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but just from
different perspectives...
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and I now learned when
I go out to share Christ
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with someone that the
same reason I was pushed away,
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is because someone was taking
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how they saw God and saying...
00:18:21.81\00:18:24.07
"Here... here's how to
need to see God as... "
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Hmmm... and I
ran away from that...
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so, I learned from
Paul... and Paul says,
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"No, I became all
things to all men... "
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Hmmm... What do you need?
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You need a father
because you have no
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father figure... let me
introduce God the Father
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to you... Hmmm...
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You know... what do you need?
you messed up on your finances?
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let me show you God the provider
who wrote the financial laws...
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I need to
understand... who you are...
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and what your need
is... so, I could provide
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the right God... for you...
Wow... isn't that what Jesus did
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Absolutely... I
mean... he met people
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where they were... Absolutely...
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met them... at
their point of need...
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and then
provided... that need for them.
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Absolutely... and
that's what you're saying
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you're doing... Amen... amen...
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and God... and
even... I think of John 4...
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Jesus and the
woman at the well...
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and I understand
the role that the Church
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not just the
Pastor... the Church has to play
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I never understood it
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until I read the last part
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of that account with
the woman at the well...
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I'll quiz you... Okay...
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Who was it that
finally made the woman decide
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to give her life to Jesus?
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Well, who was it...
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I think it was
Jesus... I thought so too...
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it seems like He was...
because He was the one that
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showed her
everything... Absolutely...
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she said, "here... meet a man
that showed me everything... "
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Absolutely... but then when
I read the last part of that
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you know what it says? What?
00:19:54.57\00:19:55.80
It says, "and when she saw...
the disciples and that they
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said to her... " you
know, they didn't call
00:20:01.41\00:20:03.78
her names and when she saw
how the disciples treated her,
00:20:03.82\00:20:07.68
the Bible says, "then...
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she left her water and ran... "
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Hmmm... What that showed me was
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is that... you
know... anybody could say...
00:20:13.24\00:20:15.37
"I'm Jesus... " that's
what Jesus basically did,
00:20:15.41\00:20:17.64
but, I don't know
if you're a shepherd
00:20:17.67\00:20:21.55
unless you show me
some sheep, Okay... okay...
00:20:21.59\00:20:25.89
I don't know if
you're a life changer...
00:20:25.93\00:20:27.51
unless you show me
some changed lives...
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Right... right...
00:20:29.05\00:20:30.16
Jesus was having this
conversation with her about
00:20:30.19\00:20:32.33
Him being the Messiah
and the One who would do
00:20:32.36\00:20:34.20
all these things and
He showed her evidence
00:20:34.23\00:20:35.99
He showed her He
can prophecy and speak
00:20:36.03\00:20:37.84
what she didn't
think He can see...
00:20:37.87\00:20:39.81
but then, when she
also saw the love that
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His disciples who should
have basically condemned her
00:20:43.21\00:20:45.85
because she was a
woman, condemned her because
00:20:45.89\00:20:47.79
she was a
Samaritan... condemned her for
00:20:47.83\00:20:49.55
a whole bunch of different
reasons that they pushed down
00:20:49.59\00:20:52.61
in that particular Society...
when she saw that they didn't
00:20:52.65\00:20:55.64
and didn't even
say a word... Hmmm...
00:20:55.67\00:20:58.40
she said, "this has got to
be... because if He can change
00:20:58.43\00:21:02.27
them to treat me like...
" then... then she ran...
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Hmmm... and
that's why I realized
00:21:04.64\00:21:07.10
that the Church... Jesus says,
00:21:07.13\00:21:09.52
"You are my witnesses...
without you, I have no evidence
00:21:09.56\00:21:13.42
that I am who I say I
am... so, you know what?
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"love each other...
so when the world sees
00:21:15.35\00:21:17.18
the type of love
that you all have
00:21:17.21\00:21:18.98
they'll know I am
who I say... I am... "
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You know, Brother Lance,
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that's so true
because so many times
00:21:22.65\00:21:24.90
you can go and
visit a church, and you...
00:21:24.94\00:21:29.26
you remember the
song, "Where is the love?"
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I remember that song...
"Where is the love here?"
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like... "where
is the warmth... "
00:21:35.96\00:21:37.50
how can I go into a
Church and nobody says,
00:21:37.54\00:21:40.14
"well are you
taken care of for lunch
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or whatever... "
00:21:43.59\00:21:44.95
you can go into... and I
mean... I might be guilty
00:21:44.99\00:21:47.50
of that too
because... you know...
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you can just get caught
up in your own rhythm...
00:21:49.35\00:21:52.32
but Jesus wants us
to come out of that...
00:21:52.35\00:21:54.58
and to show love because
by this shall all men know...
00:21:54.62\00:21:57.79
that you are my disciples...
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God had me test
that one day... Did you?
00:21:59.36\00:22:00.93
I was in a State... I'm
not going to say what State
00:22:00.97\00:22:02.97
it is because we all
are in a small circle...
00:22:03.00\00:22:05.19
Yeah, yeah... and I
was doing a project for a
00:22:05.22\00:22:07.56
client and didn't
intend to stay in the State
00:22:07.60\00:22:09.87
longer than Thursday...
and Friday came and I said,
00:22:09.90\00:22:12.47
"I'm not going to do all
that Sabbath traveling... "
00:22:12.51\00:22:15.26
and so, I didn't have
anything but my work clothes
00:22:15.30\00:22:18.02
and so, I went to
Church, that Sabbath
00:22:18.05\00:22:21.10
in my work
clothes... and my work boots...
00:22:21.13\00:22:23.94
because I didn't
want to stay and God says,
00:22:23.97\00:22:26.71
"See what you learn... "
and I watched how I was treated,
00:22:26.75\00:22:30.14
Wow... I watched who said...
00:22:30.18\00:22:32.45
because you had stains on your
clothes and stuff like that?
00:22:32.48\00:22:34.74
slightly stained but it
was my casual work clothes
00:22:34.78\00:22:37.33
it wasn't like my
deep-stained work clothes
00:22:37.37\00:22:38.95
so it was like the
khakis and just a polo top and
00:22:38.98\00:22:43.29
you know... okay...
00:22:43.33\00:22:44.52
but I had my work boots
on... and you see the difference
00:22:44.55\00:22:48.17
in how you're treated...
and it should not be that
00:22:48.20\00:22:52.55
you are judged and classified
and put even in a seat category
00:22:52.58\00:22:57.60
based on how you
look in God's Church...
00:22:57.64\00:23:00.37
it shouldn't have to happen,
That's right... you know...
00:23:00.40\00:23:02.64
That's right...
That's Biblical too...
00:23:02.67\00:23:04.85
Absolutely... You
know, we're not supposed to
00:23:04.89\00:23:07.82
give the best seats to
the most noble or the richest
00:23:07.86\00:23:12.04
or the ones with
the most status...
00:23:12.07\00:23:13.91
Exactly... exactly...
so, yeah... that's really,
00:23:13.95\00:23:17.24
really true... okay,
so, how did you go from
00:23:17.28\00:23:22.95
when God manifested
himself to you to...
00:23:22.99\00:23:26.90
in your room... that time...
when you were estranged from Him
00:23:26.93\00:23:31.40
to being in ministry...
tell us a little bit about
00:23:31.43\00:23:35.05
the ministry
that you are in now...
00:23:35.09\00:23:37.04
Making the transition...
it became as easy as
00:23:37.08\00:23:41.74
sharing good food that you
just can't hold to yourself...
00:23:41.77\00:23:45.19
Hmmm... hmmm... I
finally got something tangible
00:23:45.23\00:23:48.10
for myself... not
my grandmother's...
00:23:48.13\00:23:50.60
not my father's...
00:23:50.63\00:23:51.86
not even Hyrum Smith
00:23:51.89\00:23:53.05
who wrote the
book who inspired me...
00:23:53.08\00:23:54.47
I got something for
myself where God made Himself
00:23:54.50\00:23:58.47
evident... as Jesus says...
with many infallible proofs...
00:23:58.50\00:24:01.95
I got so much
evidence after a while...
00:24:01.99\00:24:04.01
I said, "That's it God...
what do you need me to do?"
00:24:04.05\00:24:06.54
Wow... and he
said, "Just share... "
00:24:06.58\00:24:08.68
you don't have to go
to theological seminary
00:24:08.72\00:24:12.77
you don't have to
go get your doctorate
00:24:12.81\00:24:15.36
in all these things
and... just share your testimony
00:24:15.40\00:24:18.88
people say...
you're wrong about anything
00:24:18.92\00:24:21.65
else except your
life testimony...
00:24:21.69\00:24:23.99
and I started sharing that,
and sharing it in the work place
00:24:24.02\00:24:29.63
I started having Bible
Studies in the work place and
00:24:29.66\00:24:31.87
it became so good...
more people started coming
00:24:31.91\00:24:34.44
and then I started
having cottage meetings
00:24:34.47\00:24:35.82
at the house...
because God blessed me with the
00:24:35.85\00:24:38.10
house and what
used to be a party house
00:24:38.13\00:24:39.76
and now it became a
Bible Study house...
00:24:39.79\00:24:41.39
Amen... and folks...
00:24:41.42\00:24:43.72
it felt so good for
someone to look back and say,
00:24:43.75\00:24:48.57
"Remember when we came here
for Bible Study to your house
00:24:48.60\00:24:51.86
and you wrote our
name on the list...
00:24:51.90\00:24:53.69
we got baptized
today... can we go back and
00:24:53.72\00:24:56.40
check our name off? Wow...
00:24:56.44\00:24:59.25
Tears... tears...
To know that God is now
00:24:59.28\00:25:03.65
using you to build His Kingdom
instead of destroying it...
00:25:03.68\00:25:08.08
Amen... you know,
the whole music thing
00:25:08.11\00:25:10.14
that was designed by
Satan to destroy His Kingdom...
00:25:10.18\00:25:13.67
Absolutely... to
destroy God's Kingdom...
00:25:13.70\00:25:16.17
God... has
placed you in a position
00:25:16.21\00:25:19.01
to build His
Kingdom... tell us about
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Seek and Save
Ministries... what is that?
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Well, Seek and Save Ministries
is a ministry that takes
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regular, everyday lay
people, folks who've been there
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folks who are not
going to judge folks by
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where they are...
and goes out basically
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looking for
themselves... I got out saying,
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"You know what...
when I was out there...
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someone had to find
me... what would it have taken
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what would they
have needed to say...
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to draw me back in
15 years ago? Hmmm...
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10 years ago... and
what approach do they need
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to take... and so, I started the
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one-person ministry
and until God begins to add
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more people who... you
have to be really specific
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about who you
select to join with you...
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in doing
something... because when you're
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ministering to folks,
you're getting into people's
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personal lives and
people will even confess sins
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Yes... and, you know, and so
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you have to be really
careful, as Paul says,
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you have to also be
sure that you yourself
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don't get caught up...
like as sometimes happen
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can happen... and
so, I made the transition
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I said, "All right God,
if you want me to keep this
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Corporate job
and do the 9 to 5...
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so be it... but if
you want to lead me...
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then, provide a business...
provide something I could do
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and let me go... and God said,
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"Okay, give your
boss 2 months' notice"
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and I said... He
said, "Lance, remember one
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day you said to me...
'Jesus, if you can walk on water
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you said, we can
do better things...
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can't you make me walk on air?'"
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I didn't make a business plan,
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didn't do anything...
God says, "If you believe,
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I'll do this... go tell
your boss he has 2 months... "
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and I walked into
Pete's office and said,
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"Pete, I have 2 months...
" and then God gave me the
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testimony... Pete
looked at me and said,
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"Lance, I knew we
couldn't keep you... "
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he says, "I saw your face
light up every time you told us
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how you went on in
your community... "
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and so, Seek and Save
Ministries was launched...
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and God gave me some
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business ideas to
help... pay some bills,
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it's not where it
needs to be yet but it's...
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you know, and I was invited
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to places that... to
Africa, and back to Jamaica,
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and places... I've been doing
a couple of things in New York
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and I'm going back to
Upstate New York as soon as
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I get back... and
then over to Brooklyn
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and God has just been so good...
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God shows you
that He will use you
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if you're just
available to be used...
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Absolutely... Thank you so much
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for making yourself
available to come here...
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and to share your
wonderful story and testimony
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with us... May God bless you
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as you continue to serve
Him... God be with you...
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and thank you for joining us...
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Join us next time... because
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it just wouldn't be
the same without you...
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