Stay tuned to meet a pair
of twins that dared to dream
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of a better
life... and found it.
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My name is Yvonne Lewis
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and you're
watching Urban Report.
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Hello! And
welcome to Urban Report.
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My guests today are
Wayne and Dwayne Caines:
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authors,
speakers, and entrepreneurs.
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Wayne is presently the
CEO of Digicel Bermuda,
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the largest telecommunications
company on the island.
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And Dwyane is the
public relations manager
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for the Bermuda Police Service.
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Welcome to Urban
Report Wayne and Dwayne.
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Welcome and
thanks for having us.
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Thank you for the opportunity.
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It is so great to have you here.
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You guys have such
an interesting story.
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And it's
interesting because I met Wayne
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at Oakwood University,
and Wayne had his book -
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you guys' book - Double Vision.
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This book is so good.
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I recommend it to
everybody to read.
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It's funny, it's
insightful, it's inspiring.
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You guys have had
quite an interesting journey.
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So I'd like to
talk to both of you
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about your journey together
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as well as your different
personalities and just how you
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grew up. So let's talk a little
bit first about how you grew up,
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where you grew up, and some
of the experiences that you had.
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Let's start with Wayne.
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We live and were raised on
the beautiful island of Bermuda
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that is nestled in the
middle of the Atlantic Ocean
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right on the balmy shores in a
very peaceful and loving island.
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Dwayne and I were raised
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in a Seventh-day
Adventist household.
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Our mother is from Jamaica,
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and growing up in
Bermuda she instilled the values
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of our faith and discipline.
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As you can imagine, we
were young men - young twins -
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in an island. We
were mischievous.
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We had a lot of fun.
We enjoyed a lot of mayhem
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and causing trouble
in our local church.
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We had a very firm
Christian foundation.
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And the reason why
this is important -
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and I'd like to just
spend a minute here -
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is because oftentimes we
have a very unique faith.
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As Seventh-day Adventist
Christians, we were raised to
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understand the
importance of our faith.
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We were taught to
respect the Sabbath.
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We were taught the importance
of loving those in your
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immediate circle. We
had a complete understanding
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of the discipline of our faith.
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On the things that we
could do and what we couldn't do
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and how our character
and reflecting the character
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of Christ was very important for
us... not only in our household
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but in our community. Excuse
me a second. So your home, then,
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set the tone for
your behavior in a sense?
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Because your parents... you
had a two-parent household...
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you came from a
strong Christian background.
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Did your home then set
the tone for your perspective
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on your faith and education?
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Here is what's interesting.
My father wasn't an Adventist
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until I was 13, so
growing up my father
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who grew up in North America
- who grew up in New York -
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he was growing up in New
York City during the time of
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Malcolm X. He was a man that was
deeply connected to his culture,
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the black culture. And so
when he came back to Bermuda
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after university in the
United States of America
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he was raised an
Anglican but he was not a SDA.
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My mother was a
Seventh-day Adventist.
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Our grandparents lived with us.
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And she ensured that we were
raised as Seventh-day Adventist
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young men.
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The thing that is very important
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is that our parents
- including my father -
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had a very strong
structure around us.
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They ensured that we
under- stood what it was to be
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Christian young men
but more importantly to
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respect those around us.
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Dwayne? Wayne
speaks of what actually
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took place in our lives.
We had an active Christian
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and a healthy
Adventist environment.
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But one of the things that
makes our testimony unique:
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with all of that around us
we still found it important
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to find trouble. And so
anywhere there was trouble
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unfortunately you
found Wayne and I.
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And within that
very sacred cocoon
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we often found ourselves at
the epicenter of things that
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were not necessarily
in our best interest.
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So our testimony sometimes...
You remember the story of the
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Prodigal Son. And everybody
focused on the son who left
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but there was a son that
was in the home and still was
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struggling. And he almost was...
Everybody forgot about him
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because he actually did
the proverbial right thing.
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And Wayne and my
testimony a lot of the times
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are for Seventh-day Adventist
young people who are in our
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midst and they are still
struggling with the critical
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issues that affect
youth all over the world.
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They still are in our midst,
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and if we don't focus on
the critical issues that they're
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facing, we think that they're OK
just because they're around us,
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just because they attend
worship and they do everything
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that we want to hear. So
we had the morning watch.
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We were members of Pathfinders.
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Dwayne and I went from being
pre-Pathfinders - Adventurers -
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right up... Rangers. We
did Youth Sabbath School.
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Dwayne and I were
very active in our faith
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but we were still
estranged from our faith.
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We were very good in sports.
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The majority...
Yeah, finish your sentence.
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The majority of the sports
that we wanted to participate in
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were held on Friday nights.
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Our mother would
not even consider it.
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We were very good at
what you would call soccer...
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what we would call
football here in Bermuda.
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We couldn't be. We
had our mother make sure
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that we went to football
training but guess what?
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When it was for the match
that was on a Sabbath morning
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Dwayne and I could never play.
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So here we were: two young men
that were living in a community
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a part of a faith, but we were
being estranged from everything
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and everyone because we were not
able to be full participants.
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And that has got to be
a very frustrating thing
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for young men who are
active and successful in sports.
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You know, if you're good
at something and you can't
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practice it, that's
got to be very frustrating.
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So I can imagine that now
there's this dissonance here
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between your faith and
your ability in sports.
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And I want to explore
that, but I want to go back
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for a second because
you guys have given me
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quite a bit of
meat here to chew on.
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First of all, you
said that your dad
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was a very strong man
steeped in black culture
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as a result of
having been in New York
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and Malcolm X and
all of that. Sure.
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Let's talk a little
bit about the importance
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of the father in the home.
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What does that strong father
give to his sons in the home?
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When you look at some of the
challenges that the African male
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is having throughout the
diaspora... not only in North
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America but through the
Caribbean and through Africa,
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one thing that is clear is
that the odds for a successful
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and a thriving man are
far greater if there is
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a male in the home. If there is
an emotionally-connected present
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male in the home. We are...
And we believe that a Christian
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home - a two-parent
home - is God's ideal.
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We believe that having a
Seventh-day Adventist father
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in the home is a
part of God's ideal plan.
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So many times in the
culture in the black community
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we have men that are not active
and present in our families.
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And so oftentimes
when a man wants to model
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manhood, when we wants
to see conflict resolved,
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when we wants to be
taught responsibility,
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there are women that are
teaching him those elements
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of his past, of his
future, and of his present.
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And oftentimes when we see
young men that are developing
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spiritually they're looking
for a model that is given to us
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from a Biblical perspective.
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If they cannot see the evi-
dence in their immediate home,
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they can see a chasm
or a bit of a disconnect
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in their lives. Oftentimes
what was our saving grace:
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in our faith in
Bermuda we had a lot of elders,
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we had a lot of deacons,
we had a lot of Pathfinder
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leaders, we had a lot
of men including our father
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that played a strong
surrogate role. Now we realize
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that was a good event.
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As an Adventist,
our system inadvertently
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gave us our saving grace.
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What does that mean? It allowed
us to have men in our lives
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that were Christian
strong, grounded men
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that were playing an
active role in our lives.
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And see... that is
such a critical piece
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because that is what's
missing in our community today.
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So many of our households
are single-parent, female-run
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households. And there
are various reasons for that.
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But it is so
important for our men to know
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that even if you
don't have any children
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our communities - our
kids - need for active, engaged
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men to step up to the plate
and say: "Hey, I'm going to
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mentor someone in
church. " You just said you had
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Pathfinder leaders
and elders and deacons
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that were there to
help... to mentor you.
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That's what we
need in our churches.
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Dwayne, how do you feel
that that impacted your life?
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Having a strong male figure
in the home: how do you feel
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that impacted you? Well
I think one of the saving
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graces to Wayne and my story
is that we were undergirded by
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men in our community
who actually aided us
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in our development. One
of the things we talk about
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in our faith a lot
are men being present.
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But there's one thing to be
present and there is another
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thing to be an
active agent of change.
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And in the
generation that preceded us
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yes there have been
men that were present
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but have you been actively
open to watch your children
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develop. Have you
been emotionally vested?
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Have you been a Christ-like
representative of His love
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in your home? So
it's just not enough
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to be present. We want you
to be actively engaged in the
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development of your children.
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There was a generation of men
who believed all they had to do
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is be present and
financially provide.
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And we're now
saying: "Gentlemen: right now
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we need you to do more than
just provide and more than just
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tell our young people
what they're doing wrong. "
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We grew up in a
generation of Adventist men
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who... old-school
Adventist: here are the rules.
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Here's what you do and don't do.
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This is a different generation
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and while we do not want
to sacrifice the beauty of our
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faith and what we consider
to be the foundation and the
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bedrock of our faith... which
are the guidelines that God has
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given us. We believe
relationship development
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a. a relationship with God;
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b. a
relationship with your spouse
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or the person... the significant
representative of your love
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in your family. And to
pour into your children so they
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actually like you and love you.
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It is important to be firm;
it is important to be fair.
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But sometimes you just have
to be a nice and pleasant person
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to be around. That is so so good
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and so true. You know,
in listening to you guys...
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First of all, like I
said, I love this book.
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And you give
experiences and then at the end
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of the chapter you kind
of tie it in to a lesson
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so that it's not just
experience for experience' sake,
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there is a lesson
here for the reader.
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There's a lesson
here for the young person
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to help to motive them
on their journey to success.
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So I really appreciate
that about you. You guys express
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yourselves so well. But
in your book you talk about
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how at first in your early years
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you were not academically...
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you weren't
academically motivated
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and so you guys were
focusing on other things.
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Tell us a little bit
about those early years
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and how you
functioned academically.
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The challenge that Dwayne
and I had in school is that
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we were full of energy.
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We were undisciplined. We were
much more focused on having fun
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and enjoying ourselves
than on our academic pursuits.
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A lot of times when you look at
the structure of the curriculum
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and understanding
where we were at that time
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the teachers did not understand.
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The classroom had about 20-25
young people in the classroom,
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and so there were so many
different factors that Dwayne
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and I just found ourselves
in a position that we were not
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in an environment that was
meeting our academic needs.
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As a result of that, we started
to struggle academically.
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We looked at school as a place
where we were not doing well
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academically, so it was a
place where we could show out,
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have fun, and teachers found
us very difficult to manage.
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When we were in what is
called middle school now
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we were asked at the end of
our first year in middle school
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not to return to
school. Can you imagine:
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at 12 years old being formally
asked not to return to school
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in the fall? Our mother
was besotted with grief.
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She was at a turning point.
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I would like to
stop here for a second.
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You have mothers that are
doing their all, sacrificing,
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working from can-see
morning to can-see night
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to make sure that the
children get everything
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and something like this happens.
The teacher said to my mother
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that not only did Dwayne and
I not have the academic pedigree
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to continue, that they ascribed
the highest height that we would
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achieve... She said that one
of your sons would definitely
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end up in prison and the
highest that the other could go
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he will be on the
back of a trash truck.
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Those were the... that
was what my mother was told:
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that's the most she
should expect from Dwayne and I.
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My... now can you? Oh...
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Hearing those words had to
pierce the heart of your mom,
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number one, and also
I'm sure it didn't do...
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If you guys heard this,
it didn't do much for your
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self-esteem either.
What we recognize now is that
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life and death is in the power
of our tongue and our actions.
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Yes. And it's actually a
responsibility of our teachers.
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Teachers are called of God.
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And just like we
hear of ministers
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not everyone can be a teacher.
Teachers are there to inspire.
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The beautiful thing
about what transpired
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in Wayne and my life
was my mother took us out of
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public school. And
let's be very clear:
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there are phenomenal
teachers in the public schools.
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The school that we were at
was just not a good fit for us.
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And what we recognize
is my mother recognized
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she had to get us in
a smaller environment.
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And she put us in the Christian
school. It's called Bermuda
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Institute. We affectionally call
it BI... which is a SDA school.
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Now what happened when
we went to BI, it was a much
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relaxed environment. We
had teachers that we could
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model our lives
after. They had worship,
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and we were able to
relax and be ourselves.
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And what took place
over the next four years was
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a slow
transformation of confidence.
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Now the confidence came,
ironically, because we had
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teachers in the
school that believed in us.
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One gentlemen - he's
actually passed on now -
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his name was Mandell Hill.
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Mandell Hill was at
the time 22 years old
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and he had just
graduated from Oakwood College.
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And he came back
as a history teacher.
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And he was somebody that
Wayne and I could relate to.
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And in seeing him, we recognized
that his success was something
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that we could model.
And watching his life,
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watching his leadership,
watching his spirituality
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became a very key step
in our development forward.
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You know, excuse me one second
Wayne. I'm going to bring you
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back in, but what you
said Dwayne. It's so important
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for parents to know that
the school that their children
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or their child is in
might be a great school
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but it's not necessarily
a good fit for that student,
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for that child. And
that's a really great point
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because parents often...
You know, you want your kid
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to get a really good
education so you put that child
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into a certain environment.
But it might not be the right
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environment for that child.
00:16:52.91\00:16:55.11
And so you guys were
taken from that Warwick School
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if I recall
correctly, Warwick School
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and put into BI, and
everything kind of changed
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because it was a
good fit for you.
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Not just the religious aspects
of it, which are critical,
00:17:08.39\00:17:12.79
but also academically.
It sounds as though
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it was... You said it was
a more relaxed atmosphere.
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It was... They had worship.
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It just was a better fit.
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And I think that's
a very important point
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for parents to hear. It's
not that this is an indictment
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on public school so much
as it is this Adventist school
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was a better fit for you.
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Here's what we learned
even about children today:
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you have to be
so in tune with God
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that you become in
tune with your child.
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And we're advocating: be so
in love with God and your child
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that you understand
the needs of your children.
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Oftentimes we put our
children in environments
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that we think are the best
for them, but we don't take
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into consideration the specific
needs, the learning styles,
00:18:01.44\00:18:06.35
the cultural
nuances of an environment.
00:18:06.48\00:18:10.05
What we're saying is be
so in tune with your child:
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their learning
style, their playing style,
00:18:13.09\00:18:15.82
everything around them, and then
ask God to give you the wisdom
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and the power and the
discernment to create spaces...
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safe spaces. That
safe space is at church.
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That safe space
in the community.
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The pen of inspiration -
Ellen Gould Harmon White -
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she says education is
"the harmonious development
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of the mental, the
physical, and the spiritual. "
00:18:35.91\00:18:38.45
So that means that an
institution is a school.
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But when you envelop
your child in a healthy
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environment where
they can be themselves
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culturally,
physically, spiritually,
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then they have
education. So we are advocates
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of finding the best environment
for your child to succeed,
00:18:54.36\00:18:59.40
to be a representation
of Christ's love, mercy.
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For them to be
helpful in their community.
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For them to be
helpful in their environment.
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And why this is real to us
is that my brother Dwayne's
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daughters go to
Bermuda Institute
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which is a Seventh-day Adventist
school here in Bermuda.
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My daughter goes to boarding
school at Kingsway College
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which is a SDA boarding
school right outside of Toronto.
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Now I realized that Bermuda
Institute was not a perfect fit
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for my daughter. I
wanted her to be at this age -
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17 years old - I wanted her to
be in a Christian environment.
00:19:32.40\00:19:35.87
I want her to
continue to develop.
00:19:36.00\00:19:37.54
My wife and I had to go outside
of what we thought was our
00:19:37.87\00:19:40.51
comfort zone and find a school.
00:19:40.54\00:19:42.58
We looked in North America;
we looked in the Caribbean.
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We found a school.
Kingsway College is an Adventist
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high school in Toronto that
was an excellent fit for her
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so she can understand how...
Something that I did share
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and I want to just
reiterate it now with your leave
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is that I found out late
in life that I had dyslexia.
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And something that we
have to understand is that
00:20:05.07\00:20:07.87
Dwayne and I later in
life had to take responsibility
00:20:08.10\00:20:11.27
for our playing around...
for us not being serious.
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We couldn't blame the school.
00:20:13.91\00:20:15.24
We couldn't blame our parents.
00:20:15.38\00:20:16.64
There became a point in
our personal and academic lives
00:20:16.78\00:20:20.52
where we were just shocking and
jiving and playing the monkey.
00:20:20.55\00:20:24.35
We had to settle down and
realize that if we were to
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make a difference in the
world that we had to get focused
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academically. No
father, no son, no school,
00:20:31.56\00:20:36.13
no element... No
one could do that.
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We had to do that, come to
that realization on our own.
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Wayne: this is so, so,
so important because you
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cannot live a life of
blaming everybody else
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for whatever... our issues.
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Nobody denies
that there are issues:
00:20:55.28\00:20:57.49
systemic racism... you know...
disproportionate incarceration.
00:20:57.52\00:21:01.59
All of that stuff. We know that.
00:21:01.82\00:21:03.76
But what about
our responsibility?
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What about our
personal responsibility?
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This is so good because
people need to understand
00:21:09.03\00:21:13.23
that it's not just about
what somebody did to me. No!
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What am I doing to
make my life better?
00:21:17.91\00:21:20.91
How am I assuming
responsibility for my life?
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So that is so critical.
At what point did you guys
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decide that you had to do that?
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It's a very important point.
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We were at Oakwood University.
Oakwood University is a small
00:21:32.69\00:21:35.99
Adventist university nestled
in the awesome confines of
00:21:36.12\00:21:39.59
Huntsville, Alabama.
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Dwayne and I left Bermuda
undisciplined, but our parents
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wanted us to go to university
and we landed at Oakwood.
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Once we landed at Oakwood
it was a perfect environment
00:21:47.27\00:21:49.77
for us: small
classrooms, dedicated teachers,
00:21:49.80\00:21:52.41
strong academic environment.
00:21:52.54\00:21:54.28
When we got to Oakwood
something socially happened.
00:21:54.51\00:21:56.75
The guys around us
and the girls around us
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they loved to have
fun just as much as us
00:21:59.78\00:22:02.18
but they were focused in school.
00:22:02.32\00:22:03.49
And so we wanted to take part
of leadership and be in the...
00:22:03.62\00:22:06.99
I joined the Aeolians,
and you couldn't be a part of
00:22:07.02\00:22:09.42
the Aeolians if you
didn't have a certain GPA.
00:22:09.46\00:22:11.53
The girls that were gorgeous...
they just didn't want to be
00:22:11.66\00:22:13.63
around a guy that was
on academic probation.
00:22:13.66\00:22:15.63
And so... It always
comes down to the woman.
00:22:15.86\00:22:19.13
I noticed that in the book...
that women played a large role
00:22:21.67\00:22:25.41
when... with the
way you guys were going.
00:22:25.44\00:22:28.08
The French say
cherchez la femme.
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Find a woman, yes?
If you oftentimes...
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Dwayne and I are no strangers
so we don't want to tell
00:22:34.32\00:22:37.02
a disingenuous story.
Dwayne and I were not angels.
00:22:37.05\00:22:40.36
We were not academically
focused. But let me share
00:22:40.49\00:22:42.52
something with you. Two
things that a person must
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have if they're going to
go and change the trajectory
00:22:44.83\00:22:47.56
of their life. Number 1:
they have to have passion
00:22:47.60\00:22:50.17
about something and
they have to find a purpose.
00:22:50.30\00:22:52.63
What is passion?
What do we talk about when
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we're talking about passion?
We're talking about something...
00:22:54.24\00:22:56.44
we're talking about something
that is God-seed in your life.
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The French also call
it the raison d'être:
00:23:00.21\00:23:02.38
the reason for being.
00:23:02.51\00:23:03.95
There has to be something
that gets you and motivates you.
00:23:03.98\00:23:06.31
After you've found
what you're passionate about
00:23:06.45\00:23:08.38
you have to ask God
to show you a purpose.
00:23:08.52\00:23:10.92
What was I put
on the planet to do?
00:23:11.15\00:23:14.49
Why am I on this earth?
00:23:14.62\00:23:16.09
So many times you find
people that are passionless.
00:23:16.22\00:23:19.19
They do not have a purpose.
00:23:19.33\00:23:20.53
And so they go flailing
and purposeless, aimlessly
00:23:20.66\00:23:24.10
walking through life. God has
given us a spiritual purpose.
00:23:24.23\00:23:27.34
We know what is our
ultimate responsibility
00:23:27.47\00:23:29.97
and that is to tell
somebody else about Him.
00:23:30.11\00:23:32.31
How was Dwayne and I?
How would we take our gifts?
00:23:32.44\00:23:37.51
Dwayne was very good with
people, so he always could talk
00:23:37.68\00:23:40.38
and "Oh, you are
a great speaker. "
00:23:40.42\00:23:41.85
I wanted to be a lawyer.
00:23:41.88\00:23:43.05
You ask: "How
could I be a lawyer
00:23:43.08\00:23:44.79
if I didn't get good grades? "
00:23:44.92\00:23:46.65
I was very
passionate about the community.
00:23:46.79\00:23:48.79
Rodney King... I
think it was 1991
00:23:48.92\00:23:51.39
Rodney King had some
difficulty in California
00:23:51.53\00:23:55.10
and they had a big
unrest on our campus.
00:23:55.23\00:23:57.17
And I was one of the student
leaders that brought the campus
00:23:57.40\00:24:00.14
together and we had a
march. It was at that point
00:24:00.17\00:24:02.90
where He nitched me
like the burning bush.
00:24:03.04\00:24:05.27
God showed me what He
can do through Dwayne and I
00:24:05.41\00:24:08.48
if we got focused. If
I, with laser-like focus,
00:24:08.51\00:24:11.95
started to dedicate myself
not only to kingdom building -
00:24:11.98\00:24:16.42
i.e. getting myself and
others ready for the kingdom -
00:24:16.58\00:24:18.85
but I had to be very serious
about my academic studies.
00:24:18.99\00:24:21.79
I had to occupy
the space that I was in
00:24:21.92\00:24:24.09
and give glory to
God through my academics.
00:24:24.23\00:24:26.33
I had to be able to -
after getting diagnosed with
00:24:26.46\00:24:29.00
dyslexia - stop
feeling sorry for yourself.
00:24:29.03\00:24:31.20
So you have dyslexia... so what?
00:24:31.33\00:24:33.40
I had to find a
passion of academics and a plan
00:24:33.54\00:24:37.14
and something that worked
well for me and get over myself.
00:24:37.27\00:24:40.11
And get out of my way
and stop making excuses
00:24:40.14\00:24:42.58
for myself so I could ultimately
see my purpose fulfilled
00:24:42.61\00:24:46.08
through God's destiny.
So... Oh, this is so good.
00:24:46.11\00:24:49.28
So: passion, and
purpose, and a plan.
00:24:49.42\00:24:53.76
Yes. Three P's:
passion, purpose, and a plan.
00:24:53.89\00:24:57.39
You had to have all
of those to move forward.
00:24:57.53\00:25:00.50
Because it makes no
sense to just have passion
00:25:00.63\00:25:04.03
when you don't know
what you're passionate for.
00:25:04.17\00:25:06.33
What are you going to do with
it? Where is it going to go?
00:25:06.47\00:25:08.94
But God will let
you know. I call it...
00:25:08.97\00:25:11.17
Here on Dare to Dream we call it
walking in your divine destiny.
00:25:11.51\00:25:14.78
I've seen it. When you
know what you're supposed to do
00:25:14.91\00:25:17.85
and you're doing that, there's
nothing better than that.
00:25:17.88\00:25:21.22
Do you agree, Dwayne?
00:25:21.25\00:25:22.75
I certainly
second what he is saying.
00:25:22.92\00:25:25.42
I think right now we have a
lot of young men, particularly
00:25:25.55\00:25:28.42
young black men around the
world, who are just not walking
00:25:28.56\00:25:30.86
with a purpose and they
feel sorry for themselves
00:25:30.89\00:25:33.90
and they are surrounded by
individuals who are caught up
00:25:34.00\00:25:37.20
in that same position. And
it breeds a level of despondency
00:25:37.33\00:25:41.20
which actually can be infectious
00:25:41.34\00:25:43.67
just like things
that are positive are.
00:25:43.71\00:25:45.54
What we're saying is that
you don't have to be a product
00:25:45.67\00:25:48.18
of your circumstances
and that if you dare to dream
00:25:48.21\00:25:51.21
find a Christ-driven purpose.
00:25:51.35\00:25:53.88
Because some people
have a purpose, but it's not
00:25:53.92\00:25:56.05
Christ-centered. Remember,
if your motives are pure...
00:25:56.08\00:25:59.62
I was told to take
advantage of opportunity
00:25:59.65\00:26:02.99
but never to take
advantage of people.
00:26:03.12\00:26:05.19
Keep your motive pure;
keep your divine purpose in step
00:26:05.33\00:26:09.40
with God's plan. The
great Wintley Phipps said
00:26:09.43\00:26:13.44
"You don't have to
compromise to be recognized. "
00:26:13.57\00:26:16.20
Stay within God's purpose.
He can bless you if you stay
00:26:16.34\00:26:19.64
faithful to Him.
Oftentimes we see what
00:26:19.67\00:26:23.48
the quick-fix brings.
But God said if you stay
00:26:23.61\00:26:26.45
faithful to Me, He is faithful
and just to do just what He says
00:26:26.58\00:26:30.02
and that is to provide you with
the blessings of your heart.
00:26:30.15\00:26:34.32
But you must be faithful.
Absolutely... absolutely.
00:26:34.36\00:26:37.69
I want to put up
your website because
00:26:37.73\00:26:40.16
you guys are
such an inspiration.
00:26:40.20\00:26:43.20
I know that there
are different churches
00:26:43.43\00:26:46.43
around the country and
actually around the world
00:26:46.57\00:26:49.44
that people will be watching
and they're going to want to
00:26:49.57\00:26:52.67
invite you to come to
their churches. Do you have?
00:26:52.71\00:26:55.78
In 30 seconds, do you both have
00:26:55.81\00:26:58.65
a thought for a young man
that's struggling right now?
00:26:58.78\00:27:02.62
If you are a young man or
a young woman and you find
00:27:02.85\00:27:06.39
yourself in a
position where you feel as if
00:27:06.42\00:27:09.19
you don't matter, if
you feel as if everything
00:27:09.42\00:27:12.73
is going against you,
if you feel that you can't
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talk to your parents and that
being a SDA is actually a joke,
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how can this church
that was started in 1844
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actually make a
difference in my life?
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Dwayne and I have been
exactly where you have been.
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We stopped depending on
the church to change our lives.
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We stopped blaming
our elders and our deacons
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and we realized that
we had a responsibility
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in developing
ourselves and pushing ourselves
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through God to make a
difference in our life.
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That's great.
Dwayne, what do you think?
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God wants men... He
wants bold, strong men
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who are ready for this
time who are willing to stand.
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He needs us to be a
representative of His truth,
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mercy, and love.
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Praise the Lord! Thank
you so much for being with us.
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And thank you for joining us.
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Join us next time... it
just wouldn't be the same
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without you.
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