Dare to Dream has a new series: Foundation of our Faith. 00:00:01.06\00:00:04.65 Stay tuned to meet the speaker and the musical evangelist 00:00:05.05\00:00:08.57 that are launching it. My name is Yvonne Lewis 00:00:08.67\00:00:11.09 and you're watching Urban Report. 00:00:11.29\00:00:13.43 Hello and welcome to Urban Report. 00:00:34.19\00:00:36.31 My guests today are Dr. Timothy Nixon 00:00:36.51\00:00:39.63 and Brian Ezra Bates. 00:00:39.84\00:00:41.77 I had the opportunity to sit down with Dr. Nixon 00:00:41.97\00:00:44.78 and Brian on the set of Foundation of our Faith: 00:00:44.99\00:00:47.89 Dare to Dream's new series. 00:00:48.09\00:00:50.05 I first talked to Dr. Timothy Nixon, 00:00:50.35\00:00:53.19 who by the way is an old family friend... 00:00:53.39\00:00:56.62 like a cousin to me. 00:00:56.82\00:00:58.25 He grew up in the inner city and we went to the same church. 00:00:58.55\00:01:02.41 Our parents were friends. 00:01:02.62\00:01:04.03 I was close to his family. 00:01:04.23\00:01:05.68 So it was really a blessing to bring him here 00:01:05.98\00:01:09.00 and to have him as our first speaker. Take a look. 00:01:09.20\00:01:13.45 As you know, I love to be on the set 00:01:15.78\00:01:19.47 of a new program for Dare to Dream 00:01:19.67\00:01:22.19 with the speaker or the host. It is such a blessing for me. 00:01:22.39\00:01:26.74 And tonight I am thrilled to be here 00:01:26.84\00:01:30.04 with my friend, my family... I call him my cousin... 00:01:30.24\00:01:34.32 Dr. Timothy Nixon, who is the associate chaplain 00:01:34.52\00:01:38.22 at Andrews University. Thank you so much. 00:01:38.42\00:01:41.83 Thank you. May I call you Tim? Yes you may. OK. 00:01:42.03\00:01:44.16 Tim, you are just such a blessed speaker. 00:01:45.51\00:01:51.33 And one of the things that I notice is that 00:01:51.74\00:01:55.15 you have a passion when you speak. 00:01:55.35\00:01:58.88 You are fervent about what you're talking about... 00:01:59.08\00:02:02.97 about your topic. Where do you think that comes from? 00:02:03.17\00:02:06.35 That passion, that fervency for the Word? 00:02:06.55\00:02:11.11 Where do you think that comes from? 00:02:11.31\00:02:12.74 Boy... wow! 00:02:14.71\00:02:16.71 I just believe that there's such an urgency all the time. 00:02:20.12\00:02:23.84 Especially now. 00:02:26.85\00:02:28.78 You just never know whoever's listening to you 00:02:32.37\00:02:38.19 whether or not this might be the last time they hear a sermon. 00:02:38.39\00:02:42.44 Mmmm. And so 00:02:42.74\00:02:46.02 I really always feel that sense of urgency, 00:02:47.41\00:02:51.14 and I feel that especially believing 00:02:52.05\00:02:57.19 that God has given me something to say. 00:02:57.39\00:02:59.21 That it must be for someone who is there to hear the sermon. 00:02:59.41\00:03:03.96 Wow! That is so true. 00:03:04.26\00:03:06.06 This time... at this time in earth's history 00:03:06.09\00:03:10.41 we have to hear... people have to hear this message 00:03:10.61\00:03:14.11 because it could be the last time. That's right. 00:03:14.41\00:03:16.77 You grew up in the inner city... in Brooklyn. 00:03:17.07\00:03:20.28 That's right. Tell me about growing up in the inner city 00:03:20.48\00:03:24.68 'cause you are like a poster guy for Dare to Dream. 00:03:24.88\00:03:27.89 You know, you grew up in the inner city 00:03:28.19\00:03:30.22 and God has blessed you to just accomplish so many things. 00:03:30.42\00:03:33.84 And we praise Him for that. 00:03:34.04\00:03:35.27 Tell us about your background. 00:03:35.47\00:03:37.41 Well, I grew up in Brooklyn. 00:03:37.71\00:03:39.41 Bedford-Stuyvesant. 00:03:40.61\00:03:43.07 And you know thinking about those days growing up in the 00:03:43.47\00:03:47.51 1960's through the riots of the 60's. 00:03:47.61\00:03:51.84 Through the civil rights struggles. 00:03:52.04\00:03:53.63 Through so many things. 00:03:53.83\00:03:56.07 To just think of living through that 00:03:58.22\00:04:02.29 is just an amazing thing to think about. 00:04:02.59\00:04:05.22 And what brought me through that was family 00:04:05.32\00:04:08.15 and the church. 00:04:08.45\00:04:09.94 Those are the two things that I firmly believe 00:04:10.44\00:04:14.13 brought me through that. 00:04:14.23\00:04:15.45 You know, it's interesting that you would say that 00:04:15.76\00:04:17.88 because you were raised in a two-parent household. 00:04:18.08\00:04:22.68 I know... I knew your parents and they were like my aunt 00:04:22.88\00:04:28.33 and uncle. So how do you think 00:04:28.43\00:04:32.52 your upbringing gave you an advantage 00:04:33.55\00:04:38.11 over some of the boys that didn't have what you had? 00:04:38.31\00:04:40.97 It's invaluable. Ummm. 00:04:44.15\00:04:47.38 Just to... I often tell people that 00:04:47.58\00:04:52.75 there was never a thought in my mind 00:04:52.95\00:04:56.02 that my parents would ever divorce. Hmmm. 00:04:57.32\00:05:00.30 So to grow up never even thinking 00:05:00.54\00:05:05.55 that that would happen just takes such a burden 00:05:05.95\00:05:11.28 from you emotionally 00:05:11.48\00:05:13.19 and in every other way. 00:05:14.40\00:05:16.33 And to think that there are young people 00:05:16.74\00:05:19.76 who grow up having to deal with that kind of burden. 00:05:19.96\00:05:23.30 You know, I see them now... Being a chaplain 00:05:23.60\00:05:26.62 you see all kinds of young people who come to the campus 00:05:26.82\00:05:29.82 who come to school, you know, with varying kinds of 00:05:29.92\00:05:33.22 situations that they come with 00:05:33.32\00:05:34.92 and the various baggage that they come with. 00:05:35.02\00:05:36.66 And it's really amazing the kinds of things 00:05:36.76\00:05:39.69 that young people have to deal with and struggle through. 00:05:39.89\00:05:45.08 And to see them persevere 00:05:45.28\00:05:48.85 is really quite an amazing thing. 00:05:49.05\00:05:51.41 And it's so different, isn't it, from when we were kids. 00:05:51.71\00:05:54.58 I mean I know I'm older than you. 00:05:54.88\00:05:56.41 And you don't have to remind me of that. 00:05:56.61\00:05:58.07 Yes... just a little older. 00:05:58.17\00:06:01.09 But you know when we were coming up 00:06:02.46\00:06:05.12 we didn't have some of the same challenges 00:06:05.32\00:06:07.83 that we have now... that these kids have now. 00:06:08.03\00:06:10.14 Not at all. And so I know you see it first hand. 00:06:10.24\00:06:12.87 Can you give us an example of some student that you 00:06:13.07\00:06:17.27 have - without naming any names - but a challenge 00:06:17.47\00:06:19.88 that is different with a student that you have now 00:06:20.08\00:06:23.20 versus when you were coming up. 00:06:23.40\00:06:24.90 Well... I mean there are students who come 00:06:25.30\00:06:29.20 to our campus who are actually the glue 00:06:29.40\00:06:35.20 that holds their families together. 00:06:35.30\00:06:36.89 How so? 00:06:37.19\00:06:38.23 Financially. There have been situations where... 00:06:38.93\00:06:43.32 where we find out that there are students who are taking out 00:06:43.52\00:06:45.95 student loans to really support their families. 00:06:46.05\00:06:51.08 And it's really a tragic thing to find out. 00:06:51.58\00:06:54.36 You have those kinds of situations happening. 00:06:56.45\00:06:59.30 And it's really hard to fathom that this young adult 00:06:59.90\00:07:05.81 is carrying that kind of burden for their families 00:07:06.01\00:07:08.64 along with trying to get through college. 00:07:08.84\00:07:13.32 So it's really very challenging today 00:07:13.73\00:07:18.67 for some of the young adults. And of course, 00:07:18.90\00:07:20.54 you know, there are others who are really thriving 00:07:20.84\00:07:23.96 and who come from very strong families and strong backgrounds. 00:07:24.16\00:07:26.78 But you have those cases as well. 00:07:27.08\00:07:29.25 Yes, yes. You were in New York City 00:07:29.45\00:07:32.03 last year. What were you doing in New York City 00:07:32.23\00:07:34.92 evangelistically? 00:07:35.12\00:07:36.29 I was a speaker for one of the NY13 meetings 00:07:36.49\00:07:40.13 this past summer in Brooklyn. Back in Brooklyn. OK, OK. 00:07:40.33\00:07:44.52 At the Bushwick. OK. And it was really a... 00:07:44.65\00:07:48.89 It was an amazing thing to be back in Brooklyn 00:07:49.42\00:07:52.03 and to be in Brooklyn for an extended period of time. 00:07:52.33\00:07:55.88 I had been back before, but just a weekend here and there. 00:07:55.98\00:07:59.32 Right. But to be there for four weeks 00:07:59.52\00:08:01.98 and to really be back in Brooklyn and to 00:08:02.18\00:08:05.26 travel around and to get a feel for the city again 00:08:05.46\00:08:10.36 and to see how drastically it has changed was just amazing. 00:08:10.59\00:08:14.09 I was just going to ask you: how has it changed? 00:08:14.12\00:08:16.27 How is it the same and how is it changed? 00:08:16.37\00:08:18.25 It has... the demographic has changed tremendously. 00:08:19.49\00:08:24.50 The neighborhoods have changed tremendously. 00:08:26.04\00:08:28.12 It's just a completely different mix now. 00:08:30.02\00:08:33.51 And you would not recognize downtown Brooklyn 00:08:35.23\00:08:39.16 from the days when I grew up there and what it is today. 00:08:39.36\00:08:43.66 And it just reminded me how we have to think differently 00:08:43.89\00:08:49.67 about how to minister to the city 00:08:49.87\00:08:53.59 and how to reach people in cities today. 00:08:53.99\00:08:57.39 'Cause there are unique challenges, are there not? 00:08:58.21\00:09:00.86 I mean, unique challenges to inner city residents 00:09:01.16\00:09:05.43 that perhaps suburban people don't encounter. 00:09:05.63\00:09:09.21 For example, the gangs. 00:09:10.30\00:09:13.66 You know, you don't have a lot of gangs in the suburbs 00:09:13.96\00:09:17.49 but you do have the Bloods and the Crips 00:09:17.69\00:09:20.77 and all that in the inner cities. 00:09:20.97\00:09:22.50 And so what we're finding with the inner cities 00:09:22.81\00:09:25.59 is... the absentee fathers. 00:09:25.70\00:09:29.80 The mothers raising boys 00:09:29.83\00:09:32.90 without the fathers. I mean, this is happening in the suburbs 00:09:33.12\00:09:35.84 but it's happening a lot in the inner cities. 00:09:35.94\00:09:38.84 And so we have some really unique challenges. 00:09:39.04\00:09:43.20 Mass incarceration and all of these things. 00:09:43.40\00:09:46.61 So it's like... To me, you know, growing up... 00:09:46.81\00:09:50.70 I didn't grow up in Brooklyn but I went to church in Brooklyn 00:09:50.84\00:09:53.99 and my dad was your principal. 00:09:54.19\00:09:56.10 That's right. By the way, let me just ask you this: 00:09:56.30\00:09:57.96 did you get the wire like Pastor Lomacang? 00:09:58.16\00:10:00.46 Did you get the wire? Everybody got the wire. 00:10:00.66\00:10:04.32 Your father should be very lucky that he's not a principal 00:10:05.96\00:10:10.32 these days... he'd be in jail. 00:10:10.42\00:10:12.20 We won't talk about that. 00:10:12.50\00:10:14.41 But look how you turned out. Well, yes. 00:10:15.49\00:10:17.58 And look how Pastor Lomacang turned out. That's true, 00:10:17.68\00:10:20.00 that's true. We know you guys got a little spankings, but 00:10:20.10\00:10:22.65 you know... Well, I wouldn't call them little spankings. 00:10:22.85\00:10:25.41 But we won't talk about that. 00:10:25.71\00:10:27.19 You are here for Foundation of our Faith, 00:10:28.92\00:10:32.25 and you are our first speaker for this whole series. 00:10:32.45\00:10:35.70 Yes. Tell us a little bit about what you're going to be doing 00:10:35.90\00:10:39.59 with this series. 00:10:39.79\00:10:41.33 I'm going to be dealing with relationships 00:10:41.53\00:10:43.32 because I think that it's one of the most important 00:10:43.52\00:10:48.37 issues for us to deal with and talk about. 00:10:48.57\00:10:53.28 I think it's one of the biggest challenges in our community 00:10:53.58\00:10:57.05 today. Young people, young adults 00:10:57.15\00:11:01.03 and older people 00:11:01.96\00:11:04.81 have some of the greatest challenges as it relates to 00:11:06.49\00:11:09.46 relationships. Male, female, and marital relationships. 00:11:09.56\00:11:13.69 The home is at the center of our communities. 00:11:13.79\00:11:17.84 And so I felt it would be good to deal with 00:11:18.14\00:11:23.28 those issues. To talk about men in relationships, 00:11:23.48\00:11:26.26 women in relationships, marriage, and then the family. 00:11:26.36\00:11:29.05 And so I wanted to focus on that 00:11:29.35\00:11:31.09 and just spend some time talking about some real issues. 00:11:31.40\00:11:34.60 Some adult issues. We don't talk about adult issues in the 00:11:35.68\00:11:38.99 church - mmmm - and so I wanted to really spend some time 00:11:39.09\00:11:42.17 talking about some serious adult issues 00:11:42.37\00:11:44.81 in the church as opposed to letting everybody else 00:11:45.01\00:11:47.75 talk about it. I think that's so important 00:11:47.85\00:11:49.97 because there's so many things that sometimes we just tend to 00:11:50.07\00:11:53.39 sweep under the rug or we just don't deal with at all 00:11:53.59\00:11:56.25 because we don't feel that they're necessarily appropriate. 00:11:56.35\00:11:58.87 But they are. If we don't talk about them in church, 00:11:59.07\00:12:00.92 where are we going to really give a spiritual perspective 00:12:01.12\00:12:04.95 on those issues? So I think that 00:12:05.15\00:12:08.01 the whole relationship emphasis is critical. 00:12:08.21\00:12:13.05 Because again you know that, within American society 00:12:13.25\00:12:18.82 anyway, we have the erosion of the family... 00:12:18.96\00:12:21.03 and particularly in black communities we have the erosion 00:12:21.23\00:12:23.97 of the family... so we really need what you're bringing. 00:12:24.07\00:12:27.13 Thank you so very much for what you're doing for us. 00:12:27.54\00:12:31.15 And I want you to know, viewers, that these messages 00:12:31.39\00:12:36.18 are so God-sent. I know you're going to be blessed 00:12:36.38\00:12:40.23 by Dr. Timothy Nixon. 00:12:40.43\00:12:42.71 Thank you so much for being with us. 00:12:42.91\00:12:45.01 Thank you for having me. God bless. 00:12:45.11\00:12:46.72 It was so great to talk to Dr. Nixon 00:12:49.52\00:12:52.47 and to just see where he's come. 00:12:52.67\00:12:55.00 God has brought him a mighty long way. 00:12:55.20\00:12:58.06 Next I sat and talked to Brian Ezra Bates 00:12:58.46\00:13:01.61 and I was so impressed with his transparency. 00:13:01.91\00:13:05.47 He really opened up and shared some personal information. 00:13:05.77\00:13:09.57 One of the things that blesses me so much 00:13:09.87\00:13:12.78 about our speaker and our musician 00:13:12.98\00:13:16.01 is that they've been on the spiritual path. 00:13:16.21\00:13:19.41 And you can see. You'll be able to see with Brian 00:13:19.71\00:13:22.32 how God has just led him so far. 00:13:22.52\00:13:26.22 I'm sure it's going to bless you. It certainly blessed me. 00:13:26.42\00:13:29.26 Let's check it out. 00:13:29.56\00:13:30.75 Join me in welcoming Brian Ezra Bates 00:13:32.90\00:13:36.65 to the Foundation of our Faith set and Urban Report. 00:13:36.85\00:13:40.24 How are you? Hello! I'm great, thank you. 00:13:40.38\00:13:42.14 It's so great to have you. You are our musical evangelist 00:13:42.34\00:13:47.00 for this set of Foundation of our Faith - yes - 00:13:47.20\00:13:51.56 and we are just being blessed by your music. 00:13:51.86\00:13:56.11 Well it's a true blessing to be here. Well praise the Lord! 00:13:56.31\00:13:59.65 Tell me... Let's hear a little bit about your background. 00:13:59.85\00:14:02.92 Where'd you come from? Well, I was born in Jackson, MS. 00:14:03.13\00:14:07.42 I grew up some in Atlanta, Georgia. 00:14:08.82\00:14:11.70 And I moved to Huntsville, Alabama, when I was a senior 00:14:12.00\00:14:15.65 in high school. And I just recently moved from there 00:14:15.75\00:14:18.89 about a year and a half ago to another little city in Georgia 00:14:19.09\00:14:23.33 next to Chattanooga, TN. Oh wow, wow. 00:14:23.53\00:14:26.47 And are you in music ministry full time? 'Cause you certainly 00:14:26.67\00:14:29.71 have the gift. No, no. Full time I'm a drug and alcohol 00:14:29.81\00:14:34.72 counselor full time. How did you go there? 00:14:34.82\00:14:37.37 How did you get to be that? 00:14:37.67\00:14:39.44 Well I have a real passion for addiction - 00:14:39.64\00:14:42.52 all types of addiction - because of my family background 00:14:43.52\00:14:46.59 and my own personal history with it. 00:14:46.79\00:14:48.90 Tell us about that. 00:14:49.10\00:14:50.22 Well I grew up in a family of mostly men... 00:14:50.32\00:14:54.30 with my dad's family. And every man in my family 00:14:54.50\00:14:59.42 including my dad, his brothers, my uncles, 00:14:59.62\00:15:02.49 his uncles, his father even 00:15:02.69\00:15:05.39 suffered from some type of addiction. 00:15:05.69\00:15:08.32 His father died when he was six 00:15:10.35\00:15:12.48 of cirrhosis of the liver. 00:15:12.95\00:15:15.24 He drank himself to death. 00:15:15.54\00:15:16.84 Now this is your grandfather? 00:15:17.82\00:15:19.14 This is my grandfather who I never met 00:15:19.34\00:15:20.56 because of his alcoholism. 00:15:20.76\00:15:22.43 I have uncles who were raising alcoholics. 00:15:22.99\00:15:26.29 My father was an alcoholic, a drug addict, sex addict... 00:15:26.60\00:15:31.34 and his brothers were the same. 00:15:31.57\00:15:33.28 And so addiction just runs rampant through the men 00:15:33.58\00:15:37.53 in my family. And so once I had my own personal struggle 00:15:37.63\00:15:42.39 with it I had to really depend on God to change some things 00:15:42.49\00:15:48.23 in my life. And once He did 00:15:48.33\00:15:50.31 I was able to understand some of the things that He 00:15:50.51\00:15:53.00 did those things for. And part of the reason was 00:15:53.11\00:15:55.87 because of my own personal testimony that He had given me 00:15:55.97\00:15:58.78 and the responsibility to share that. 00:15:59.08\00:16:01.55 How did? Let's unpack that a little bit. 00:16:01.85\00:16:05.09 How did you fall into it as well? 00:16:05.39\00:16:08.65 Well my uncle actually introduced me to some things. 00:16:10.00\00:16:13.53 Was he a young uncle? 00:16:13.73\00:16:15.12 Well at the time he was younger but he was older than me. 00:16:15.32\00:16:18.12 He was my dad's age, but at the time he was a younger man, 00:16:18.72\00:16:22.43 of course. And he introduced me to pornography 00:16:22.63\00:16:25.33 at a very early age. I was very intrigued by it. 00:16:25.53\00:16:30.33 Of course. I was a young boy but definitely too young 00:16:30.53\00:16:34.87 to be exposed to that type of thing. No man should be, 00:16:35.07\00:16:37.34 but I was very young. 00:16:37.54\00:16:39.75 And I had an empty place in my spirit because I never 00:16:39.95\00:16:44.34 really had a connection with my father. 00:16:44.44\00:16:46.61 I never really felt like he liked me when I was a kid 00:16:47.01\00:16:49.72 growing up. I would do things for him, but he just never 00:16:49.82\00:16:52.22 really seemed interested. And so I already had a hole there. 00:16:52.32\00:16:55.41 And so my uncle introduced me to something that I could 00:16:55.61\00:16:58.59 actually fill that hole with for a very long time in my life. 00:16:58.69\00:17:00.84 And so I started very early 00:17:01.04\00:17:02.48 delving into pornography and all of such things. 00:17:03.56\00:17:08.13 And I took it into a marriage that I ultimately lost. 00:17:08.43\00:17:12.07 And, you know, it ran rampant through my life as well. 00:17:12.47\00:17:16.01 It's amazing, isn't it Brian? how... On Urban Report 00:17:16.31\00:17:20.90 I always talk about God's plan. 00:17:21.00\00:17:23.43 And God has a plan for each person and so does Satan. 00:17:24.23\00:17:29.27 Yes. And Satan's plan is to ultimately destroy you. Yes. 00:17:29.50\00:17:35.34 And God's plan is to prosper you - yes - 00:17:35.64\00:17:38.45 and to give you a future and a hope. Correct. 00:17:38.55\00:17:41.31 And some times families just get caught up... 00:17:41.64\00:17:44.59 families, generations. Um-hmm. You know, there are generations 00:17:44.62\00:17:48.67 of issues. Yes. And so what you're telling us 00:17:48.87\00:17:51.53 is that you had generational issues 00:17:51.64\00:17:55.29 with addiction... whether it was pornography or substance abuse 00:17:55.49\00:18:00.32 or whatever. Right, right. And that is part of what 00:18:00.43\00:18:05.29 Satan's plan was for you. Right. 00:18:05.49\00:18:08.00 Where was your mom in all this? 00:18:08.10\00:18:09.50 Were you raised by your mom at all? Yeah, my poor mom. 00:18:09.60\00:18:12.16 She was kind of helpless to the whole thing. 00:18:12.36\00:18:16.60 She married this man who was a great man. 00:18:16.73\00:18:18.71 My father was a great man but he had these vices 00:18:18.82\00:18:22.41 that ultimately destroyed their marriage. 00:18:22.61\00:18:25.24 And so I grew up in several kinds of homes. 00:18:25.44\00:18:27.56 I grew up in a loving home with my mom and dad at first. 00:18:27.76\00:18:32.22 And then all of a sudden tumultuously thrown into 00:18:32.65\00:18:35.86 a single-parent home where... I stayed with my mom, of course. 00:18:36.06\00:18:39.48 And then I moved with my dad for a spell 00:18:39.78\00:18:41.53 which was really rough on my life as well. 00:18:42.51\00:18:44.56 Which is actually where I discovered my love for music 00:18:44.86\00:18:46.91 was with my father. 00:18:47.11\00:18:48.26 Mmmm. I grew up with music in the home. 00:18:48.46\00:18:51.21 I mean, all types of gospel music, secular music. 00:18:51.41\00:18:54.03 And that was... For a long time my escape 00:18:54.33\00:18:58.50 was into music. 00:18:58.81\00:19:00.22 And so I actually ended up moving back with my mom 00:19:01.25\00:19:04.41 at some point, and my love for music continued to just grow. 00:19:04.51\00:19:08.80 And I know it was God because He knew that I needed 00:19:09.10\00:19:12.40 something to help me keep grounded during the process 00:19:12.50\00:19:15.56 of delving actually even further into my addiction. 00:19:15.76\00:19:18.75 And I'm just grateful to Him for that. 00:19:19.05\00:19:21.49 Yes, yes... He's so good. 00:19:21.69\00:19:24.25 And even when we stray, even when we go away from Him 00:19:24.35\00:19:29.80 He gently leads us back. Yeah. 00:19:30.00\00:19:32.76 How did you find God? 00:19:33.06\00:19:35.14 How did He become the Lord of your life? 00:19:35.34\00:19:38.00 Hmmm... I was searching, I was searching. 00:19:38.50\00:19:40.31 I was sick... I was tired of being tired. 00:19:40.41\00:19:43.57 And you know, I knew that... How old were you? 00:19:43.78\00:19:45.73 My relationship... my real relationship with Him started 00:19:47.65\00:19:50.22 when I was probably about 20. 00:19:50.32\00:19:52.14 19... 18 or 19. 00:19:52.97\00:19:55.54 And I was really tired of the way that I was living. 00:19:55.84\00:19:59.34 And I had met this beautiful young lady, and she was a SDA. 00:19:59.64\00:20:03.83 I wasn't Adventist. 00:20:04.03\00:20:05.10 And I started going to church with her 00:20:05.30\00:20:07.06 and going to Oakwood College to AYS 00:20:07.16\00:20:11.30 and being exposed to the music there. 00:20:11.50\00:20:13.64 And I made a promise to God. I said: "God, if You will bless 00:20:13.84\00:20:17.26 my voice and help me to get better" - 'cause I thought I was 00:20:17.37\00:20:20.71 pretty good. Turns out I wasn't very good in fact. 00:20:20.81\00:20:23.44 She let me know that without any question. 00:20:24.24\00:20:26.82 But I told Him if He blessed my voice that I would only use it 00:20:27.79\00:20:30.84 for Him. And He began to do that. 00:20:30.94\00:20:33.74 And it was during that process of time that I got 00:20:34.87\00:20:39.03 acquainted with the church 00:20:39.13\00:20:40.29 and started studying for myself for the first time in my life. 00:20:40.69\00:20:43.48 Reading the Bible for myself and studying these powerful 00:20:43.78\00:20:46.22 messages. And God just... He just did something for me. 00:20:46.32\00:20:50.64 I mean, and it was amazing how He turned my life. 00:20:50.74\00:20:53.07 God is amazing because all of your steps 00:20:53.65\00:20:58.82 were orchestrated - yes, every one - 00:20:59.02\00:21:01.15 so even when you made mistakes He was bringing you back. 00:21:01.25\00:21:02.96 He was exposing you to music - yes - and the things that 00:21:03.17\00:21:07.07 would draw you to Him. Yes. People and places that 00:21:07.17\00:21:10.51 would draw you to Him. Yes. 00:21:10.61\00:21:12.57 So at what point did you finally say "I surrender... 00:21:12.77\00:21:16.42 I give my life to You. " How old were you then? 00:21:16.62\00:21:18.76 I was probably about the same age. It probably happened 00:21:18.97\00:21:20.51 about a year later so I was probably 19. 00:21:20.62\00:21:23.05 And that's when I got baptized. 00:21:23.35\00:21:25.52 And I completely gave my life over to God. 00:21:25.73\00:21:27.92 I tried to carry the message to everybody I met. 00:21:28.12\00:21:30.66 Even to my family... who are still not Adventists 00:21:31.06\00:21:33.46 but that's what happened for me. 00:21:33.56\00:21:36.47 That's what happened for me. 00:21:36.67\00:21:37.80 And my struggle with my addic- tion got a lot worse after that. 00:21:37.91\00:21:41.63 Really? It did. It really did. How so? 00:21:41.93\00:21:45.10 How did it get worse? 00:21:45.34\00:21:46.56 Because at that point I was now part of this church. 00:21:46.76\00:21:50.47 And I had experience with God that was real 00:21:50.87\00:21:53.76 and so I felt like that experience was going to cure me. 00:21:54.06\00:21:56.78 Hmmm. And it definitely was the stepping stone 00:21:57.75\00:22:01.58 towards aiding me, but because I had an expectation 00:22:01.78\00:22:07.51 that wasn't realistic my addiction got much worse. 00:22:07.61\00:22:10.49 So what did you do? 00:22:11.51\00:22:13.26 What did you do to actually 00:22:13.66\00:22:18.74 get on a different path? 'Cause it was getting worse... 00:22:18.94\00:22:21.82 Um-hmm. How did you get it better? 00:22:22.02\00:22:23.84 What did God do through you? He broke me, man. 00:22:23.94\00:22:27.25 He broke me. He broke me and everything that I held so dearly 00:22:27.75\00:22:32.60 was taken from me and I hit what they call "rock bottom. " 00:22:32.80\00:22:36.00 And I ended up actually going to rehab 00:22:36.50\00:22:39.75 and counseling and support groups. 00:22:41.10\00:22:43.72 With prayer and fasting and everything that the church 00:22:43.93\00:22:48.45 taught me to do. I had to not only do that 00:22:48.55\00:22:51.60 but I had to actually join that with some other things. 00:22:51.70\00:22:55.10 You know, I had a lot of formulas in my head 00:22:55.30\00:22:57.66 about what I thought I should do. 00:22:57.86\00:22:59.55 You know, the praying and the things that the church teaches. 00:22:59.85\00:23:03.73 And I didn't actually grab onto some of these other things 00:23:04.98\00:23:09.06 as well like counseling and things. 00:23:09.17\00:23:11.12 Had a lot of Christians tell me that all I needed 00:23:11.32\00:23:13.28 was to just pray and just fast and just give it to God. 00:23:13.39\00:23:16.24 And I did all of that and it just never went away. 00:23:16.44\00:23:18.19 Um-hmm. And when it actually came to me was one day 00:23:18.49\00:23:22.40 I was praying I said: "God, I just need You to take this 00:23:22.50\00:23:24.81 from me. " And He spoke very clearly to me. He said: 00:23:24.91\00:23:27.32 "No, I want you to give it to Me. " 00:23:27.52\00:23:29.06 Wow! And so that's when my process of surrender started. 00:23:29.36\00:23:32.55 Wow! What a deep point. 00:23:33.27\00:23:35.36 Not take it from me but the Lord said 00:23:35.56\00:23:39.47 "give it to Me. " He wanted me to offer it up to Him as a gift. 00:23:39.57\00:23:42.18 And I was thinking: "Why would You want this as a gift? " 00:23:42.48\00:23:45.14 You know: "Why would You want this as my offering to You... 00:23:45.54\00:23:48.91 this awful thing? " 00:23:49.11\00:23:50.77 And He made it very clear to me that He put it in my life 00:23:51.37\00:23:55.07 at a time when I actually needed it 00:23:55.27\00:23:58.15 to survive some of the things that I was going through 00:23:58.35\00:24:00.43 as a way to disconnect from it so that I could survive it. 00:24:00.73\00:24:03.47 And now I didn't need it any more so He wanted it back. 00:24:03.97\00:24:07.01 Wow! So you had to surrender your life 00:24:07.83\00:24:12.56 and God also allowed you to get the tools that you needed. 00:24:12.86\00:24:16.78 Yes. You needed some tools - yeah - to get through it. 00:24:16.89\00:24:20.55 Some real stuff, yeah. Right? Um-hmm. And it wasn't just... 00:24:20.75\00:24:23.02 It's OK to get counseling; it's OK to get tools - yes - 00:24:23.22\00:24:27.81 and help - yes - you know, because God works through 00:24:28.01\00:24:31.17 people as well. That's right; that's right. 00:24:31.27\00:24:32.80 So what a blessing... what a blessing. 00:24:32.90\00:24:35.06 And your story is so powerful because you show - 00:24:35.26\00:24:41.19 and your transparency is a blessing, too - 00:24:41.39\00:24:43.49 and you show that it's God's work in you. 00:24:43.69\00:24:47.76 God is working through you. 00:24:47.96\00:24:49.54 What do you want? In about a minute, what do you want 00:24:49.74\00:24:52.43 our viewers to know about Brian Ezra Bates. 00:24:52.63\00:24:55.66 I am a man saved by grace. 00:24:56.55\00:24:58.48 And He took me from a place of shame 00:24:58.88\00:25:04.16 to a place of grace. 00:25:04.36\00:25:06.50 And I'm so grateful... and that's it. 00:25:06.70\00:25:08.88 I mean, for me I just want to share 00:25:09.08\00:25:11.40 as much as I can with everybody. 00:25:11.60\00:25:13.69 I'm an open book as you can tell. 00:25:13.89\00:25:16.85 But there's no shame here any more. 00:25:17.87\00:25:19.75 It's just grace, and I just want to share that grace 00:25:19.95\00:25:22.02 with others. Amen. Well, thank you for sharing 00:25:22.12\00:25:24.46 that with us and thank you for sharing your wonderful gift. 00:25:24.56\00:25:28.14 And viewers: you are going to be so blessed 00:25:28.34\00:25:30.99 when you hear the ministry of Brian Ezra Bates. 00:25:31.19\00:25:35.05 Thanks. 00:25:35.25\00:25:36.65 I really enjoy talking to our guests 00:25:38.52\00:25:41.30 on the sets of their programs. 00:25:41.50\00:25:43.45 It seems to be a comfortable environment for the guests 00:25:43.65\00:25:46.22 and it's a change of pace for me. 00:25:46.33\00:25:47.99 I hope that you were inspired by these interviews 00:25:48.39\00:25:51.00 and that you will apply any spiritual lessons 00:25:51.20\00:25:53.77 that you learned from them. 00:25:53.87\00:25:55.21 Man, Brian's testimony is so powerful! 00:25:55.61\00:25:59.24 Just to know that he went through all of those twists 00:25:59.54\00:26:03.39 and turns and God has him on his feet standing and ministering 00:26:03.49\00:26:08.50 before people now. It is such an amazing blessing. 00:26:08.71\00:26:11.98 And wait until you hear Dr. Nixon's sermons 00:26:12.28\00:26:15.49 and Brian's music. 00:26:15.70\00:26:17.12 Make sure to tune in to Dare to Dream 00:26:17.32\00:26:19.94 and watch Foundation of our Faith. 00:26:20.14\00:26:22.06 Check the website for the scheduled days and the times 00:26:22.37\00:26:25.45 of this airing. Also, if you know of any singers, 00:26:25.55\00:26:30.58 musicians, artists, that would like to be on Dare to Dream 00:26:30.79\00:26:35.86 or be on Magnify Him or be featured on Foundation 00:26:36.06\00:26:40.03 of our Faith, please contact us here. 00:26:40.23\00:26:43.00 You can write me here care of: 00:26:43.30\00:26:45.83 Call us and let us know or send some music. 00:27:11.10\00:27:14.42 Send a sample of your music so that we can hear 00:27:14.62\00:27:17.79 and then we'll be able to check it out and see if 00:27:17.99\00:27:20.76 it'll work for Magnify Him. 00:27:20.96\00:27:23.25 We are looking for people to minister not just perform. 00:27:23.55\00:27:27.72 Performance is not what we're looking for. 00:27:27.92\00:27:29.85 We're looking for ministry and of course great voices 00:27:30.15\00:27:33.63 and great musicians. So please, support us in that effort. 00:27:33.84\00:27:37.79 Pray for us, and also support us financially. 00:27:38.09\00:27:41.28 Ask the Lord what He would have you to do 00:27:41.48\00:27:43.59 for Dare to Dream and how He would have you to support us. 00:27:43.79\00:27:47.81 We really need your prayers and your financial support. 00:27:48.11\00:27:51.39 Well, that's the end of our program for today. 00:27:51.69\00:27:54.60 I hope that you were blessed. I hope that you were inspired. 00:27:54.91\00:27:57.50 And I hope that you will tune in on a regular basis. 00:27:57.70\00:28:00.62 Thanks for tuning in today. 00:28:00.92\00:28:02.40 Join us next time. Just wouldn't be the same without you. 00:28:02.50\00:28:05.50