Do you wonder about the gospel
and think that it's complicated?
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Well, my guest today is
going to break it down for us...
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My name is Yvonne
Lewis and you're watching
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Urban Report.
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Hello and welcome
to Urban Report...
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My guest today is
Chaplain Joe Mitchell
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author of "The
Framework of the Gospel"
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and Chaplain for the
Shelby County Sheriff's
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Department in Memphis, Tennessee
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Welcome to Urban
Report Chaplain Joe...
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Glad to be
here... glad to be here...
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Okay, so, give us a
little background information
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on you... because
our viewers need to know
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a little bit about you...
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Where are you from and
how did you get involved
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in sharing the gospel...
Well, you know, I got saved
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when I was very
young... and... but...
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how I got involved...
especially if you look at
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what I do... in Prison
work... I was called about
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a couple of years
ago to come and work with
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Shelby County Sheriff's
Department to be a Chaplain
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for the Prison... which is a...
really... Detention Center...
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what that means
is... Pre-Trial...
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before you go to
Court... you are at least held
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at least one month
up unto 2 to 3 years
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just so... we can get
your case on the Docket...
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and while they're there...
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we have services... all
types of programs for the
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inmates and one
of the programs is...
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I'm over at the
Religious Department
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in which we
coordinate all the services
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and Chaplain for the inmates...
Ah... so you're Chaplain for
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women and men and
juveniles as well?
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At one facility
which is called 201...
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it's known around the Country
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as a Glamour Slammer...
because we are one of the
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only prisons in the area
or in the Nation that has
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escalators... and we
have some of the most modern
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technology there but I'm
also the Senior Chaplain...
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we have another prison
just for the women and juveniles
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called Jail East... in the
East part of Memphis... also.
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All right... all
right... so when did you decide
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that you wanted
to share the gospel?
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When did you decide that
that's something that you really
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wanted to do... well,
the first thing happened
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to me... I had an experience
with the Lord myself...
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Well, tell us about that...
I believe that... every person
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should start... at that point...
What was that experience...
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tell us... Oh, well, well...
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when I got to a point...
I was out in the world...
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like everybody else
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and I got to a point... I
got sick and tired of being
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sick and tired...
and I questioned...
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at that time... I
didn't know who the Lord was
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but I said, "There's got to
be more to life than this... "
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and to make the
long story short...
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I met man who was a Christian
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who was a member of the Church
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and I'm a member of
that... he's deceased now...
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but what he said to me
when I was training him
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because he was hired in
the Company I was working at...
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he said, "If
it's the Lord's will"
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I had never heard
anybody say that before...
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and by him making that statement
I began to question him about
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what he believed and
things of that nature...
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but at the same time...
God was working on me...
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which I didn't
know... as I look back...
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He was leading
me to this person...
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to meet the Lord
myself... Isn't it amazing
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how God puts people in our
path that can help us to grow?
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Of course, the enemy
wants to put people in our path
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to lead us away from Christ...
but God will send people
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to us... that can
help us to grow in Him...
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and so, you're saying
that there was this man that
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talked differently from
what you were used to...
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when he said, "If God
wills... if it's God's will... "
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and you were probably thinking,
"What does that have to do
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with anything?"
especially if you're not a
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Christian... you think...
"Why is somebody going to
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wait and see if
it is God's will?"
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and so that kind of
peaked your curiosity, no?
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That was the
beginning of my journey because
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when he said that...
like I said, the people that I
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hung out with...
didn't talk like that...
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and the Foreman at the
time at the job I was working at
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he specifically
pointed me out and he said,
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he wanted me to
train him... Hmmm...
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and that's what I
did... and that was one of the
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statements that he'd
made... that stood out
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that I had never heard before...
Wow... and so what happened
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after that... how did you
get on the path... from there?
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Well, from that experience...
he introduced me to
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the Bible... about the Sabbath,
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about different things in
the Bible I'd never heard before
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I had never
read the Bible before
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I didn't know anything about it,
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but he had some lessons
that were very easy to follow
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and so, I started taking
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those lessons from him
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each week... going home
and studying those lessons
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bought me a Bible...
all my friends thought
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that I went crazy... I
had a Bible in my hand...
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I won't want to talk about
my past life but they thought
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I had lost my mind...
but as a result of that
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I was able to find Christ
and come into the Church...
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through that experience...
That is so wonderful...
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God is so faithful...
because He'll just keep
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working on us
and lead us to Him...
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and when we find these truths
you know, people around you
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who don't believe as you do...
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can think you've
lost your mind...
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but you know you found it
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you found your mind...
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you found the mind of
Christ... That's right...
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so, now, you're in the
Lord, you're a Chaplain...
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tell us about this book about
the foundation of the gospel...
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What is that about?
Well, let me connect something,
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I had been in the Church...
I'd say about 7 years...
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and I felt... there
was something missing...
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I knew
doctrine... I knew prophecy...
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and all those different things
but something was missing...
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and what happened
was... I visited another Church
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and this Pastor asked me
to pray for the congregation
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at the Altar
Prayer... and I saw something
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I had never seen before...
I had never experienced...
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when I finished praying...
the people were crying...
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and I said to
myself... "Lord, it's something
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I'm missing... I know
doctrine, I know prophecy...
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I know all these things
like how I should dress...
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how I should eat... but
there was something missing
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out of my experience...
and that's the thing
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I went looking for...
and I found that thing...
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and that's what's
reflected in my book...
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Okay... and what is
that thing, tell us...
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The major component...
I believe that a lot of us
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are missing... when
I talk about Church...
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I'm talking about Christendom,
is establishing a relationship
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with the Lord...
first... and then...
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building from that standpoint...
I look at it like marriage...
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then I explain it...
is when you get married
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you don't get
married... then fall in love...
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you fall in love...
and then you get married...
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and then... in the
marriage process...
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you can have the car,
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the home, the kids,
everybody can be educated...
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but, if you don't have
love, what do you have?
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Hmmm... and I found out...
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that was the missing
link, in my experience
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so, I don't really
tell it, I share it...
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Ah, so, in other
words, what you're saying
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and this is so good...
this is so valid because...
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you know, we can teach
all the doctrine we want to...
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but if it's not based on
love, and our relationship...
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our love relationship
with Jesus Christ...
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what difference does it make?
it's a form of Godliness...
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it's a form of
Godliness... That's right...
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I share this with my inmates...
my women, men and juveniles,
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Saint John
3:19... we know 3:16...
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but 3:19 says... "and
this is the combination
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this is our
problem... men love darkness...
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rather than light...
because their deeds are evil
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love is a factor... it's because
the devil has caused us to
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pervert our love...
instead of loving God,
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we love sin...
we cannot change...
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but once we get
converted or transformed...
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the love of
Christ will take care of
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everything else in our
lives... I've discovered...
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even in a marriage...
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if you are not
making the amount of money
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that you need to make, or
people don't have education
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for their families... whatever
difficulties you may have...
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if you got
love... you can make it...
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Absolutely... so
what you're telling us...
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and this is an important
point for our viewers to get...
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is that... you could be going
to Church on the right day...
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you can be living
the health message...
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eating the right
foods... you're exercising...
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doing all that stuff...
but if you don't have the love
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of Christ in your
heart... and love... for Him...
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then... it really
doesn't... really matter...
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it's all about "works" then...
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It's one of the
biggest deceptions
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that the devil has
pulled over the Church
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since the beginning of time...
if you look in my book...
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the first chapter deals
with the paradigm shift...
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I talk about Matthew the
7th Chapter verses 21 to 28
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in that area...
talks about the 2 houses...
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the difference in the
two houses is the fact
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they look just
alike on the outside
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they even have the same problems
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wind... storm and rain...
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but the difference
was in the foundation...
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in the lives of each
and every one of us...
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I cannot see your foundation...
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I don't know what
your foundation is...
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but if you have the right
foundation which is Jesus,
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you can make it through anything
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and that's what
we need to establish
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in our lives...
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is getting a
relationship with the Lord...
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Yes... so that relationship
is the foundation against which
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the winds can blow, the
winds of life and strife
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can blow... but if we
are built upon that rock...
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nothing can prevail against
it. Well, you know, if you look
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at this... I bring this
out in my book in Chapter 1...
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in life... if you stay
in the Church or leave...
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you're going to
have wind, storm and rain
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it's going to
come... but the difference is
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if you have a solid
foundation, you can rebuild...
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you will not lose your
way, you may be discouraged,
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you'll be knocked down but
the foundation will keep you
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in your
relationship with the Lord...
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so many times we throw
around this word, "relationship"
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basically, relationship means
just spending time with God...
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once you do that... the
relationship will form...
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it will build and it will
last. You know, Chaplain Joe,
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that is important too...
because we do throw words around
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and people want to understand...
like break it down for me...
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like when you say,
"He's my personal Savior,"
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what do you mean...
when you say relationships
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what do you mean... like,
how can I have that relationship
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and I think...
you brought it out
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earlier in the conversation
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where you're talking
about... "if you love someone...
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you marry someone...
after you've fallen in love
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with them... " and
there are certain things
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that you do...
when you love someone...
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you spend time with them...
you want to be around them...
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you talk with them... you
find out what they like...
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and you try to give
them what they like...
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if they like certain
foods, you try to do that...
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it's about building... a
relationship and if you think
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about the
elements in a relationship,
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you're going to
realize what you need to do...
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to build that
relationship with Christ...
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That's beautiful
because... when you were talking
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I think about my
inmates and most of the cases...
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I'm in charge of
about 1,200 people...
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we have almost 3,000
inmates in the downtown facility
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with... men's
facility about a 1,000
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and about 300 women...
and about 30 juveniles...
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and the... most of
the... well, I say the majority
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of the people that I talk to
don't have any type of religious
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experience... so I have
to break down those terms
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so they can understand... and
when I talk about relationship
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I just put T I M E...
spend time with the Lord
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in other words,
just spend time reading,
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praying, come to Church
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do all those things and
the relationship will form...
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and I use the illustration, I
say, "If you had a pit bull...
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and if you're there
with him... everyday...
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you can take the chain
off he'll walk with you...
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but if you saw him
about every other month...
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he'll bite your leg off...
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because he doesn't know
you... so it's very important
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that we understand and also
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break those things down
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for the people...
even for ourselves...
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to stay in the Lord...
because we're not telling...
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we're sharing... That's
right... that's right...
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and that's an
important point too...
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if we don't know
Him for ourselves...
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how can we really share him...
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how can we really let
anybody else know about Him...
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if we don't know
Him for ourselves...
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and how do we get to know
Him? It's by spending time
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in that Word and in
prayer... and making time...
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you know if you are
in a love relationship...
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and, you know, let's
say, you and your wife...
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and you never
spend time with her...
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"Oh, honey, I don't
have time right now...
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oh, I can't do it right now... "
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or "I can't be
with you right now... "
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Well, how is that showing love?
but if you spend time with her
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and if you try to bring
the things that she loves...
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then... that says...
you're making an effort
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to show her that you love her...
and I think that's what we need
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to do with Jesus... we
don't do that enough...
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with the Lord... and
I think when you've been
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in the Church for a while
or if you're unchurched...
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you don't... if
you're in the Church...
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you can just get
complacent... and just think...
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"Oh, I'm going to
Church on Sabbath...
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so I'm doing the right
thing" well, it's not that...
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it's about loving God...
so now we've established that
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that foundation is love...
what goes on top of that...
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according to your
book... which I thought was
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really an interesting,
informative, very easy to read,
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book... that really can
bring you closer to Christ...
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what's next... you've
got... the foundation of love...
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what's built on that?
Before we leave love...
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I deal with the love of
Jesus in the 5th Chapter...
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I believe... of my
book... most people...
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when we said it...
would say... casually...
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we really don't understand
what I mean by that...
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if you look at the
term "Love of Jesus"
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it's a preposition...
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the preposition is "of"...
that means... it belongs to Him
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now, the Bible
tells us in 1 John 4:10
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we don't have that level of love
then, it tells us in 1 John 4:19
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We love Him because
He first loved us...
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the only way we can get
this love that I'm talking about
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you need to get Him...
you cannot conjure it up...
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you can't manufacture it,
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you can't be with
Him longer than...
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you have to everyday
ask Him to bring His love
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because it belongs to
Him... and once you get Him...
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you get the
person... and He brings us love
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and lives out His
life... through us again...
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according to Galatians
2:20... so, so many times we say
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these things... but
the thing that we need
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to understand... any time
God asks us to do something...
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it's always easy...
and all we have to do
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is receive Him... He
will bring His love...
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and you will surprise
yourself who you can love
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when Christ is in
you... That's right...
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you'll be
surprised who you can love
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and who you can pray
for... if Christ is in you...
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That's very
true... That is so true...
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so what's next...
after that love...
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Once we establish
that... I talk about prayer,
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study and witness,
these are the areas
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that will bring
strength into your life
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it's very important
that we do these things
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on a consistent
basis... as we learn how to pray
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you know what... the thing
that I'm very concerned about...
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individuals in a relationship
I'm building with people
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every day is...
spending that personal time
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not just to study for a
sermon or for a Bible Study
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but studying to infuse yourself
with God and then when it's
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time to give Bible
Studies and all those things...
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you'll be ready...
but you've got to pray...
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you got to study
God's Word and witness...
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you know... these
things will come...
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out of the love
relationship experience...
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well, you see, once you get
the love relationship right,
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these things will
automatically come out...
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you don't have to make yourself
do these things anymore...
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they will automatically
come out of that experience...
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just like you stated earlier,
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once I fall in love... I'm
going to take care of my home
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I'm going to take
care of my family...
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those things... you
don't have to think about
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they will automatically come
out if we look back at Acts 2
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looking at the Pentecostal
Mall those individuals were not
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planning on doing
evangelistic work...
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they were just so
full of what they had...
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they didn't have business cards,
they didn't have a business plan
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they didn't have billboards,
they didn't have a program...
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they were just so full of
love of Jesus and sharing it...
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it turned the world upside
down and that's what we need
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and that's what we're lacking...
it seems like we jump over that
00:18:08.90\00:18:11.49
that principle and
move to the other areas...
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but we need to get the love
of Jesus... right in our lives
00:18:16.71\00:18:19.46
and then everything else
will take care of itself...
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Absolutely, again... when
you are in love with someone
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you want to be...
in their presence...
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you want them to be
around... you want to learn more
00:18:29.61\00:18:33.93
about them... if you're
in a new love relationship
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you're asking questions...
you're find out who they are
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what they're about...
well, we have the Word of God
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that tells us who Jesus
is... and what He is about
00:18:44.46\00:18:47.50
and as we get to
know Him more and more...
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we fall more in love with
Him because of who He is...
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and how He is and how
He deals with people...
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and it's all the in
the Word, it's there for us
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to get a glimpse
into His personality...
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so, I think that's so true...
so you have the Love of Christ
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as the foundation, and
then you have the Prayer
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and the Bible
Study and Witnessing
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as the next pillars and you're
actually building the framework
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you're building a
house... Right... very true...
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So, the love that we
have for Christ that comes
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because it's His
love, as you said,
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then we have the Bible Study
the Witnessing and the Prayer
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what comes after that?
The next step is Doctrine...
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now this is where
we make our error...
00:19:36.66\00:19:39.76
and a lot of our Bible Studies,
evangelistic crusades...
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as I see... we are
bringing doctrine first
00:19:44.43\00:19:49.44
before we bring
the love of Jesus
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I talk about it in
the book... Divine Order
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you know, it's an
order that God has set up...
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it's just like I said,
you wouldn't get married
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and fall in love... you'll
fall in love and get married...
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you have to do it... or
you wouldn't have a baby
00:20:01.94\00:20:03.23
before you get
married... in other words...
00:20:03.26\00:20:04.51
you have to do it
in the order that...
00:20:04.54\00:20:05.57
the way God has set it up...
once you explain to a person
00:20:05.61\00:20:10.63
they understand
the love of Jesus
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the Bible says, "If you love
me, you'll keep my commandments"
00:20:13.33\00:20:17.58
but look what it says,
00:20:17.62\00:20:19.38
"If you love me...
you'll keep my commandments... "
00:20:19.42\00:20:22.53
it talks about the
relationship first...
00:20:22.56\00:20:24.64
then it talks about
the responsibility...
00:20:24.68\00:20:26.33
it says, slash if you love me
00:20:26.37\00:20:29.37
slash you'll keep
my commandments...
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one of those aspects of it,
00:20:31.62\00:20:33.97
it always talks
about the love first...
00:20:34.01\00:20:35.94
if we have... and then Paul says
00:20:35.97\00:20:37.72
"The love of
Christ constraineth us"
00:20:37.75\00:20:39.43
no other reason...
not to fill up the church
00:20:39.46\00:20:42.25
not to win souls,
not to be recognized...
00:20:42.29\00:20:45.01
but because the love
of Jesus constrains you...
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anything you love...
that's a principle...
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and I've discovered that love
whether it be for wrong or right
00:20:51.13\00:20:55.40
will find a way...
That's right... that is right...
00:20:55.43\00:20:58.43
It will find a
way... That is right...
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so, we know
that... as we continue...
00:21:01.86\00:21:05.15
in this Christian experience
that if we're growing...
00:21:05.19\00:21:09.37
we are doing
these things, you know,
00:21:09.41\00:21:11.51
Prayer, Studying and Witnessing,
and then... we're just moving
00:21:11.54\00:21:15.75
forward with doctrine...
we need to understand
00:21:15.79\00:21:19.72
the principles here
that we are living by...
00:21:19.75\00:21:23.08
and that's what those
doctrines are... correct?
00:21:23.12\00:21:26.42
You know, I like to
say about Doctrine...
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I don't want to throw
doctrine out the window...
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we need
structure... Hmmm... hmmm...
00:21:30.64\00:21:33.74
I need to know...
it's time to go to bed...
00:21:33.77\00:21:36.62
I need to know... I
need to come out of the club,
00:21:36.65\00:21:38.78
I need to know what to eat,
00:21:38.82\00:21:40.01
I need to know
what day to worship...
00:21:40.05\00:21:42.24
all those
things... they work together
00:21:42.28\00:21:44.40
but you have to put
them in the right order
00:21:44.44\00:21:46.71
because, you know for
yourself, a person can know
00:21:46.74\00:21:49.88
all these things... and then
hate everybody in the Church
00:21:49.92\00:21:53.75
it's a process
00:21:53.79\00:21:57.29
of putting it in Divine Order
00:21:57.32\00:21:58.68
now, if you are in a
situation like I was...
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I came in... in the Church
00:22:01.27\00:22:02.97
on Doctrine...
for those years...
00:22:03.01\00:22:05.30
and really... not
that I hated people
00:22:05.33\00:22:08.10
but I knew that there
was something missing...
00:22:08.14\00:22:10.21
now I have the joy
it's not obligation...
00:22:10.24\00:22:14.77
it's appreciation...
00:22:14.81\00:22:16.08
Come on... explain
that... get into that for us...
00:22:16.11\00:22:19.70
the reason why is... I
said... there's a phrase
00:22:19.74\00:22:23.30
that the Lord
gave me in this book...
00:22:23.33\00:22:24.84
is... the majority of the people
serve God out of obligation
00:22:24.87\00:22:29.11
they are trying
to get to heaven...
00:22:29.15\00:22:30.36
they want to live
right, they want to be
00:22:30.40\00:22:32.97
thought well of
in the Community,
00:22:33.00\00:22:35.51
but going back to the
husband and wife relationship,
00:22:35.54\00:22:37.84
if you only got a present
00:22:37.87\00:22:41.07
because he wanted to
make sure you got a dinner
00:22:41.11\00:22:44.48
or a got a compliment
that's the wrong motivation
00:22:44.52\00:22:47.86
but if he just buys
something of the whim
00:22:47.89\00:22:51.13
because he loves his wife
00:22:51.17\00:22:53.20
that's out of appreciation...
00:22:53.24\00:22:55.11
and I believe that the
Lord will love... for us
00:22:55.14\00:22:58.40
to work out of appreciation
rather than the obligation...
00:22:58.43\00:23:02.24
and that's
something that's addressed in
00:23:02.28\00:23:04.58
the Matthew the 7th
Chapter, Jesus said,
00:23:04.61\00:23:07.03
"Why call me Lord, Lord... and
do not the things that I say?"
00:23:07.07\00:23:10.26
He was talking about the
individuals who had said,
00:23:10.29\00:23:14.20
"Lord did we cast out devils
and did many wonderful works
00:23:14.23\00:23:17.48
and all those different things"
that they were doing it...
00:23:17.52\00:23:19.79
maybe... I don't know...
but out of the obligation
00:23:19.83\00:23:22.34
they were able to
manifest their gifts...
00:23:22.38\00:23:24.39
but He said, "I never knew you,
we never had a relationship... "
00:23:24.43\00:23:27.59
it's possible
to be in a marriage
00:23:27.63\00:23:30.43
without a relationship...
you can have everything in place
00:23:30.46\00:23:33.70
the good job... kids
are doing well in school...
00:23:33.74\00:23:36.87
you know, money...
but if you don't have the
00:23:36.90\00:23:39.76
right relationship...
you still don't...
00:23:39.79\00:23:42.61
really don't have a marriage...
00:23:42.65\00:23:44.51
That's right... So, and then...
00:23:44.54\00:23:46.33
you will not enjoy it...
you are there because you're
00:23:46.37\00:23:49.07
trying to win heaven when
heaven is already yours...
00:23:49.10\00:23:51.82
That's right... That is right...
00:23:51.86\00:23:53.30
so, how do you go about
sharing this... with the inmates
00:23:53.33\00:23:58.04
that you're working with?
Well, my process is... the same
00:23:58.07\00:24:01.68
one of the things
they asked me when I
00:24:01.71\00:24:03.27
first got hired... they
knew I was in ministry...
00:24:03.30\00:24:06.73
What would I do
different than...
00:24:06.76\00:24:09.66
what people outside the
jail... and inside the jail...
00:24:09.69\00:24:12.33
I said I wouldn't
do anything different
00:24:12.36\00:24:13.42
because we all need Jesus...
and so what my process is...
00:24:13.45\00:24:17.38
I'm laying the foundation,
00:24:17.42\00:24:19.88
I'm teaching them
about the love of Jesus,
00:24:19.91\00:24:23.05
we're engaging them
so they can understand
00:24:23.09\00:24:25.65
the love of Jesus... and
then sharing other things later
00:24:25.69\00:24:29.47
but the main thing...
because I might not see this
00:24:29.50\00:24:32.59
inmate maybe one week or
I might see in 2 years...
00:24:32.63\00:24:35.65
just because of how long
they're going to be there
00:24:35.69\00:24:36.88
before they go to trial...
00:24:36.92\00:24:38.19
I want to make sure the
relationship is there...
00:24:38.22\00:24:40.42
and then I support it by
sending other material...
00:24:40.45\00:24:42.94
they go to another
institution or they go home
00:24:42.97\00:24:45.39
but I want to make sure
they have a love relationship
00:24:45.42\00:24:47.43
before they leave...
00:24:47.46\00:24:48.61
I want to insulate
them and not isolate them
00:24:48.64\00:24:51.34
Hmmm... and you know, what
crossed my mind as you were
00:24:51.38\00:24:54.93
talking was that so
many of these people
00:24:54.96\00:24:58.55
have not had any real meaningful
relationships in their lives
00:24:58.59\00:25:04.57
so they might not
even understand the concept
00:25:04.60\00:25:08.29
of a really deep
love relationship
00:25:08.33\00:25:10.84
so you have a real,
real daunting kind of task
00:25:10.88\00:25:16.47
ahead of you because
they might not even understand
00:25:16.50\00:25:19.60
how do you love somebody
when they might not even love
00:25:19.64\00:25:22.67
themselves or never really
experienced the love of a parent
00:25:22.70\00:25:27.05
or someone close to them...
Well, that's a very good point
00:25:27.09\00:25:31.28
you made because I do
deal with those issues
00:25:31.32\00:25:33.28
one of the things I try
to establish with the women,
00:25:33.31\00:25:37.27
the men and the juveniles is
that father- son- or daughter-
00:25:37.30\00:25:40.47
relationship...
understand that God...
00:25:40.50\00:25:43.13
I say... "You may not have
ever seen your earthly father
00:25:43.16\00:25:46.23
but you do have
a heavenly Father"
00:25:46.26\00:25:47.88
and I go in pointing out
things... what He has D O N E...
00:25:47.91\00:25:52.99
rather than what
you need to do...
00:25:53.03\00:25:55.57
this is a problem we have
too in presenting the gospel
00:25:55.61\00:25:59.45
and I use this
example in my book
00:25:59.49\00:26:01.86
Mark the 5th Chapter...
the demon-possessed man
00:26:01.89\00:26:04.69
when Jesus cast out the demons
out of him in verses 18 and 19
00:26:04.73\00:26:09.25
he wanted to be
with Jesus, Jesus said,
00:26:09.29\00:26:12.02
"Go home to thy friends
and tell how good things
00:26:12.05\00:26:16.06
the Lord has D O N E
00:26:16.10\00:26:18.00
and had compassion for thee"
he didn't need to know the Bible
00:26:18.03\00:26:21.18
he didn't need to know the
2300 days but he could tell
00:26:21.25\00:26:25.01
what God had done for him...
and so, that's why I start
00:26:25.05\00:26:28.79
at that point...
is understanding,
00:26:28.82\00:26:30.98
showing them what
the Lord has done...
00:26:31.02\00:26:33.23
because we got to
build a relationship...
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if they've never
known the Lord...
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"I didn't know the
Lord cared for me... "
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I said, "The reason
why you're not covered up
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rather than just locked up
is because God loves you... "
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and I know... we're
teaching it from that standpoint
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showing the love of
God and what He has D O N E
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and what He has done
and once that has been
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established... the
doing becomes easy...
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once you fall in love with
somebody... it's easy to do...
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That's right... that's
right... Whoever it is...
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Absolutely, and it's
the word of their testimony
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Yeah... that is going to help
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bring others...
because if you know
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that... if somebody says...
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"I know for
myself... what God has done. "
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that's way more
powerful than me saying,
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"Well, I heard... "
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no... "I know what
He's done for me... "
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I want to thank you
Chaplain for being with us...
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I can't believe our time is up,
thank you so much for sharing
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this information and I encourage
our viewers to get your book
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and to learn about the
foundation of the framework
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of that
gospel... may God bless you
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as you continue to
minister for Him...
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Thank you very much...
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You know, sometimes we
over-complicate things...
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Chaplain Joe has shared
the framework of the gospel
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with the love of Jesus
being the foundation...
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upon which all is built.
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Thank you for joining
in... tune in next time...
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it just wouldn't be
the same without you.
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