Stay tuned to meet a
man that's walking in his
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divine destiny and helping
others... to find theirs...
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My name is Yvonne
Lewis and you're watching
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Urban Report...
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Hello and
welcome to Urban Report
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My guest today is Richard Bland
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President and Founder of
United Prison Ministries.
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Welcome to Urban
Report Brother Richard...
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I'm happy to be
with you Yvonne...
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It's so good to have you...
so, okay, some of our viewers
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might know you...
but then... others don't
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tell us a little bit about you
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and how you got
involved in Prison Ministries...
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Yvonne, how
many days do we have?
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This is just a
30-minute program...
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Prophetic time or what?
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Real time... Oh,
real time... okay then,
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quickly here, I grew
up in a Christian home...
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and I went to Christian
Schools and then I went to EMC
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Emmanuel Missionary College
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of course, it's
Andrews University now
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and then... from there
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I started out in
the real estate business
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a little bit in
Chicago but really got to
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San Diego, California
where I really got involved
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in the Real Estate business,
and the Lord blessed me
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in that business and
I had the opportunity
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to meet the leaders of
the Country like the Mayor
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and the Governor and so forth,
the Governor Ronald Reagan
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would happen to be the
Governor at this particular time
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of my story... I
want to tell you about
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and I became the President
of the San Diego Realtor Board
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part of the San
Diego... from that...
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I became... it was
a Bank that was needed
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this was in the late
60s and money was tight
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so, I became the
Founder of Pacific Coast Bank
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in San Diego...
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So you went from Real
Estate to being a Banker?
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Well, Founder and Owner
of the Bank... really...
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An Owner of a Bank...
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I started out there
because of a certain situation
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and it was with
the political thing...
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and I'm saying
that for this reason
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so, from that, Ronald
Reagan... at that time...
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Richard Nixon was the
President of the United States
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so Ronald Reagan recommended
that I be on Richard Nixon's
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Advisory Board...
that's where my story
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really picks up...
that changed my life,
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well, I'll never
forget, it was June 1972
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the President called
me... in fact he called my
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Real Estate
Office and as I got home
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my Secretary called and said,
"The President just called... "
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I said, "What!" and so
I called the White House
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then, he asked me
would I be one his members on
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the Advisory Board there...
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and so... my chest, you
know, went out... you know,
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but it was all
the politics thing
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but, this is what
happened, we met once a month
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at the Congress Building,
right there at the White House
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but this particular day
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by me being a vegetarian
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I had never eaten
anything that had a mother
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so, I said, "If it doesn't grow
on the ground, it's not mine. "
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Mother or a
face... Mother or a face...
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so, if it doesn't grown
on the vine, it's not mine...
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so, this particular day...
as we got in... to eat lunch
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I told the maître d' that
I wanted the vegetable plate
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well, naturally, my
food is not ready right now
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but it didn't
take but 4 or 5 minutes
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because they got
everything you think about
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at the White House
for food, you know,
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so, as the members put
down the other plates of food
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take the top off of,
you know, I think they had
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filet mignon
whatever you call that
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he skipped over me... so
when the guy skipped over me
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the guy sitting next to me said,
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"Hey, you passed him up... "
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I said, "Well, that's what
you White folks do inside the
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White House... " He
laughed just like you...
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he said, "No, no,
no, no" He got nervous?
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Yeah, he got
nervous... but it was okay...
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they were just senators on the
Board... 89 of them... you know
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so, and the guy didn't hear him
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because the guy had
gone on with his business
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but then, when the
guy brought me my food
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he set it down
there... and he said,
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"Bland, why do you
eat that?" you know,
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so, it so
happened... he was the President
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of General Motors that
asked me that question,
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well years ago, the
new car used to come out
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in September... I don't
know if you remember that
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but September was
the month they came out
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for the following year,
so, coming on the plane to
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San Diego... I saw the new
Cadillac that had just come out
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and so I asked him,
"What did you put in the glove
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compartment of the
car?" He said, "A manual... "
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I said, "What for?" He
said, "To operate the car"
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I said, "Well, suppose...
the person doesn't follow it?"
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He said, "Then the guarantee
of the car will be off... "
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I said, "Why will
the guarantee be off?"
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He said, "We made the car,
and so we know what it takes
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to run the car
and maintain it... "
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Come on... and I
pull out my little Bible
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Oh, come on now... and
I said, "When God made me
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and He made you, He
told what to put in this body
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He told us how to
maintain it and all of that... "
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and from that
conversation quickly... he said,
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"Look, we don't
believe that stuff up here... "
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the Bible and all the
stuff that I'm sharing with him
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from the Bible... so
after lunch we sat in the
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corner for about two
hours and we got to talking
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and I'll never
forget these words...
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since we're not
running on prophetic time...
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he said to me, he said,
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"Bland, did you
know by the year 2000
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there will be no more war,
no more cancer, no more crime,
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we got the answers to
all of that up here... "
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and I'm showing him, I
said, "according to the Bible
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it's going to get
worse and worse and worse,
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and worse... " but
after about two hours
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he looked at me and
this is what he said to me,
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he says, "If you believe that
book.. what are you doing here?"
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Hmmm... hmmm... I
said, "What do you mean?"
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he said, "You
showed me in the book
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that God would take
care of all of your needs...
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you showed me that
you're working for Him. "
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he said, "If a man was working
for me... at General Motors...
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he'd better not be working
part-time at Chrysler... "
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Come on now... Wow!
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Yvonne, that was
the longest ride...
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mentally I had in my
life... in the airplane...
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to San Diego...
coming from Washington, D.C.
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back to San Diego... you
notice, I said... "mentally"
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my wife and I...
we just came back
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from New Zealand
which is about 32 hours
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this year already... but
that wasn't the longest ride
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as that ride was... I
said, "Suppose he's right... "
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He said, "What are you
doing in here... because...?"
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He thought that
it was a compromise?
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Well it is...
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To be an advisor
to the President?
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No, to be up there
with those crooks and stuff
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and dealing with
them... and I had showed him
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in the Bible...
where as a Christian...
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we have to go all the
world to preach the gospel...
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and God will take
care of all our needs...
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remember, I'm skipping over
a lot that we talked about...
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he is very brilliant...
because he's the President
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of General Motors, he
told me what I had already
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showed him in the Bible,
see... he gave it back to me...
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he said, "If," you know,
"if you were working for me... "
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and God was taking
care of all your needs... "
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I was telling him that God
maintains us and gives us breath
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and all that stuff... Right...
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but then still...
what was I doing part-time?
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I'm up there working
with all these people...
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and he told the truth...
they don't believe it...
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they don't believe in
the Word of God up there...
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just a lot of
politics, you know,
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and so, what am I doing there?
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He said, "If you believe that
book, what are you doing here?"
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Wow! So, now, I'm on my way back
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to San Diego... I knew
I could sell real estate,
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I knew... any given
week during that time...
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I can make 10 to
15 thousand dollars...
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but I knew... some
atheists could too...
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and, I said, "Well,
wait a minute now... "
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as I was reading in my Bible,
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everybody that found
Jesus what did they do?
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they stopped what they
were doing and followed Him...
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check it out... everybody...
whether they were doctors
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tax collectors or
whoever they were...
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because Jesus said,
"I have appointed you,
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I have ordained you... "
like it says in John 15:16
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so, that got me to thinking...
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What! I am working part-time
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for the Lord...
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I was a part-time
person, and if you look at
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Matthew the 7th I
think the 21st or 23rd verse
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it says that...
some people will say,
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"Lord I did this, in your
name, I did that in your name,
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then He said,
"I never... " what?
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"... knew you,
depart from me... "
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Why? because...
you're a part-time worker...
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Would you have a
part-time husband?
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No... Okay then,
neither does God...
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so I'm just telling you
now, what affected me...
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so, from that... to
cut the long story...
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I said, "Well, Lord, what
can I do for you full-time...?"
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well, everybody can
eat... my wife's a good cook
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so I said, "What
we need to do... "
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Ray Kroc was the
owner of McDonald's...
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well, he's a
business acquaintance of mine
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in San Diego at the time,
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this was back in
the 70s... so, I said,
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"If he can open up
McDonald's all over the world...
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I can open Health Food
stores all over the world... "
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so after much prayer...
four years of lining it up
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and all that stuff, we...
looking at the testimonies
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we said, "Anything you start,
you start it in the South. "
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So, the Lord... with
a lot of intervention,
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we ended up in
Birmingham, Alabama
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to open up a
Health Food Restaurant...
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we were going to open up,
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everywhere you
saw a McDonald's...
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we were going to have
a Health Food Restaurant
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saved a lot of
money... had 4 years of studying
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and all that stuff,
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got there... the
Lord closed the door...
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after all the arrangements,
I won't go into that
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that's a story within itself...
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but the Lord closed the door,
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and one day... I was
asked to go down to a prison
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with an
interracial group of people...
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inter-denominational
group of people...
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Sister McKinnon...
and they wanted somebody
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to go down with her...
so, we had a lot of materials
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due to our restaurant
and stuff like that...
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so I took with me,
about 200 of the books
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Spirit of Prophecy books,
Steps to Christ... and so forth
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you know, with me...
so I passed them out there
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they had a huge
crowd... about 250 guys
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and I passed them out...
the Chaplain, later on... saw me
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he said, "You
know... " about 3 weeks later
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he asked me for some...
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I asked him... "could
the men have some tapes
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that they could listen to...
" the Chaplain said, "Yeah"
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well, C.D. Brooks had just run
a meeting in Washington, D.C.
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beautiful tapes... they
talk about the Bible only,
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you know, what
the Word of God is...
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so I took them to the
Chaplain about 2 weeks later
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and as I gave him the
tapes, he said to me...
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he says,
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"Those men really
love those books... "
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I said, "What books?" He said,
"The books of E.G. White... "
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he said, "I'd like to
have a 1,000 of them... "
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I said, "A
thousand!" He said, "Yeah"
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so the next day...
You got excited eh...
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the next day, my wife and I...
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we put a thousand
of them in the car
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well, 10 boxes...
they had a 100 in each box,
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got down there and
I opened up every box
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when I saw the prison...
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put an enrollment card in it
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because I'm not ever going
to see these people anymore,
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you know, because I
always fish with a hook,
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when I give somebody
something I tell them, you know,
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I want to know what
the answer is in two weeks,
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or something like that...
Ah, wait, wait, wait, wait...
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okay, wait now, say,
"you fish with a hook"
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yeah... because that's the
only way you can catch a bait
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because a lot of people
fish... without the bait,
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you know, so when
I give you something,
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I'm going to get
a response back...
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Okay... I'll tell you,
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"Look, this is the book
here I want to know your opinion
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I'm taking a
survey, and I want to know
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what you think of this...
he says, "Well, I'm a... "
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"I don't care what you are"
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I say, "That's
what I'm looking for
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I'm looking for
people just like you
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tell me what you think
of this book," you know
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I kind of think you can
sell ice to an Eskimo...
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I do... but anyway,
so what happens... though
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in the meantime... the people
that I went down there with
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had told me this... that it
takes 5 years to get inside...
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of having a meeting... a
regular program in the prison
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that's what they told me...
I'm just talking to... you know,
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so that won't bother me because
I'm still looking over my resume
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So, you still weren't even
thinking about Prison Ministries
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Oh, no, no, no, no, no,
so, Ben told me 5 years...
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so when I took the
boxes of books in there,
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to the Chaplain that day,
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he said, "Come on in
and meet the officers. "
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I went in there, as
soon as I met the officers
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my wife and I, he said,
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"This is Mr. and Mrs.
Bland, they're going to start
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a Bible Class here... " I
didn't know anything about it.
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So, sure enough, 3
weeks later, we started...
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now, what am I going to do?
I got there and told the man
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I said, "Look,
whatever I'm talking about...
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is going to be in the Bible,
we're going to study the Bible"
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he said, "Okay" so
a group of the guys,
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that night, said to me,
"What does the Bible say
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about speaking in tongues?" I
told them what the Bible said,
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then another group says...
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This is the officers...
not the inmates, right
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It's the inmates... Oh,
this is the inmates, ok, ok,
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He told the officers that I
was going to start a Bible Class
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in the prison,
the Chaplain told them
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Okay... okay... The
Chaplain is telling them...
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so, therefore, he had
invited me so, that night
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the guy that asked me... I
told him what the Bible says
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about speaking in tongues...
then another group asked,
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"What does the Bible
say about eating pork?"
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now those happened to
be some Muslim guys...
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Hmmm... hmmm...
and so, after the class
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they said, "We got him
now... " I said, "You got who?"
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He said, "the Chaplain...
the Chaplain is Pentecostal
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he eats pork and speaks
in tongues... and you said
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the Bible says
that it's not right.. "
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Oh my! what am I going to do?
who invited me there, Yvonne?
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So, you're the guest... in the
Chaplain's 'house' so to speak,
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and you're giving
ammunition to them...
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to get after him...
That's right... they said,
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"We got him now. "
He wasn't there though
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so, I said, "What!"
they said, "We got him now. "
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So, I went back home,
I said, "Oh my, what am I
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going to do
Lord?" The Lord said,
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"I'll tell you what to
do... call up the Chaplain
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tell him... that you
only want to talk to 10 men
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every other week, and
talk to the whole crowd
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every week... and the reason why
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you want to talk to the 10 men
tell the Chaplain that you get
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a chance to help
the families out...
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of those 10 men so that you
can get a chance to know them,
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because if it's a huge crowd
you can't help everybody... "
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So, I called the Chaplain...
he said, "That's a good idea. "
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But my real
reason was this, Yvonne,
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I could teach
those ten what I know
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they still got 20
years in prison...
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so when they kick me out...
they already know, you know,
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so you're replicating...
Yeah, I'm teaching them,
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so, those ten... the
next week, I start out with,
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by the time my wife got in there
there are about 75 guys were
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already in the room so
the officers started reading
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out the names... saying,
you have to leave, leave, leave
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you know, like that... so
five of the guys that were
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not on the list...
were standing close by
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and they said,
"Hey, can we stay?"
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I said, "Okay, you can stay.
" so we started with 15 people
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my wife and I and another couple
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and I told them, I said,
"Look, what I'm giving you
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is the Word of God..
my name is not important
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I gave them Jeremiah 17:5
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which says, "Cursed is the
man that trusts in man... "
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I said, "I'm a man... "
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I said, "If you trust me...
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the Bible says that
you're going to be cursed... "
00:14:16.59\00:14:18.28
they said,
"What!" I said, "Yeah,
00:14:18.31\00:14:19.89
now Jeremiah 17:7 says,
00:14:19.92\00:14:21.89
Blessed is the man
that trusts in the Lord...
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if you want to be
blessed, whom should you trust?"
00:14:23.56\00:14:25.42
they said, "The Lord... "
and I reeled it in their mind
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"Don't trust any
man... trust the Lord... "
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I said, now the 9th
verse tells Jeremiah 17:9 says
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The heart is
deceitful above all things
00:14:36.11\00:14:37.85
and desperately
wicked, who can know it?
00:14:37.89\00:14:39.60
I said, "Have you done things
that you didn't intend to do?"
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They said, "Yeah" I said,
00:14:41.68\00:14:42.89
"So, you can't
trust yourself, right?"
00:14:42.93\00:14:44.40
they said,
"That's right. " I said,
00:14:44.43\00:14:45.84
"So, don't
trust any other man. "
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Now, what I really did there
was I eliminated everybody else
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that don't believe the
Bible did you know that?
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Everybody... anybody...
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I got rid of all my
competition right there...
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Wow! Because we are the only one
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in the world... that
stays with the Bible...
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did you know
that? we're the only one
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everybody else leaves
something out of the Bible...
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so, there, I eliminated
my competition right there,
00:15:05.09\00:15:07.29
so I drilled that
in their minds I said,
00:15:07.32\00:15:09.41
"Now, the 10 Commandments
God has put us here...
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because... remember
this... only Church people said,
00:15:12.67\00:15:15.83
'The Law of the Lord
is done away with... '"
00:15:15.86\00:15:17.32
prisoners know
that there's a law...
00:15:17.35\00:15:19.07
you never have a
prisoner who said,
00:15:19.11\00:15:20.75
"The Law was done
away with. " Come on...
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Only people who go to Church say
that the Law is done away with
00:15:22.46\00:15:24.76
did you know that? Come
on, now Brother Richard...
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That's right... That's
right... because you know
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prisoners know that there's
a law because they broke it...
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that's why they're in
there... So, only Church people
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the devil used... to say,
"The Law was done away with
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remember that...
" So, I said now,
00:15:36.08\00:15:38.91
"What
commandment would you think
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that every prisoner
knows that they have broken?"
00:15:40.83\00:15:43.28
and they read down...
they said, "The 8th Commandment
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all of us have stolen
one time or another... "
00:15:45.76\00:15:47.46
I said, "That's right. " I
said, "Now, let me tell you
00:15:47.49\00:15:49.45
what it is... " If I
should give you a dollar
00:15:49.49\00:15:52.22
Yvonne to give
to... everybody here...
00:15:52.26\00:15:54.63
at 3abn... a
dollar... and you do not give
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one of them a
dollar, what have you done?
00:15:56.74\00:15:58.74
Stolen... That's right...
00:15:58.78\00:15:59.92
I said, "So,
whatever you learn from me...
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if you don't share it...
you're stealing from them...
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because the Bible said,
'Go into all the world'"
00:16:04.44\00:16:06.28
and I said,
"Where is your world?"
00:16:06.31\00:16:07.55
they said,
"Wherever you are... "
00:16:07.59\00:16:08.72
I said, "So,
anybody... that you pass up
00:16:08.75\00:16:11.89
that you don't share with them
00:16:11.92\00:16:13.51
what you're
learning from God's Word
00:16:13.54\00:16:14.87
you're a thief... "
They said, "That's right"
00:16:14.90\00:16:16.75
let me tell you... from
those 15 Bible students...
00:16:16.78\00:16:21.27
in 6 months' time... we had
18,000 Bible studies going on.
00:16:21.30\00:16:25.10
18,000! 18,000!
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let me tell you how...
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they started
sharing with officers
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they started writing home,
they started doing other people
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and I'm just
saying, it's amazing
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in fact, as I was
just thinking here...
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then we designed Bible Classes
00:16:36.85\00:16:40.35
"What the Bible
Says" "What the Bible Says"
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Now for "What the Bible
says" before they can get
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their certificate... they
have to enroll 3 other people...
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so, therefore, every student
has to listen to it 4 times
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Oh, that's
great... They have to...
00:16:52.13\00:16:55.91
So they're studying
and they're sharing it
00:16:55.95\00:16:59.03
and they're reinforcing
the information in their heads
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That's correct...
and the Holy Spirit
00:17:02.49\00:17:03.93
is quickening their
spirits... That right...
00:17:03.97\00:17:06.45
Wow! praise the Lord!
Then we showed them this...
00:17:06.48\00:17:08.92
We fill them with
little secrets that,
00:17:08.95\00:17:10.40
maybe a lot of
people don't know...
00:17:10.43\00:17:11.85
The reason why... I
understand Google says
00:17:11.88\00:17:15.06
that there are 38,800
different churches in the world
00:17:15.10\00:17:17.26
that use the Bible... 38,000...
00:17:17.30\00:17:19.81
different churches use the
Bible as their text book...
00:17:19.84\00:17:22.36
now, how many ways can you
dial my phone number wrong?
00:17:22.39\00:17:24.88
millions right? Yes...
00:17:24.91\00:17:27.82
how many ways can
you dial it right?
00:17:27.86\00:17:29.26
One... I found out something
00:17:29.30\00:17:31.65
if you do not pray
00:17:31.69\00:17:33.26
and ask for the Holy Spirit,
00:17:33.29\00:17:34.69
the devil will always
interpret the Bible to you...
00:17:34.72\00:17:36.59
Hmmm... So, many
people... all of us...
00:17:36.63\00:17:39.88
a lot of people... they
read the Bible and don't pray...
00:17:39.91\00:17:43.25
so, the Holy Spirit does
not interpret it until you ask
00:17:43.29\00:17:46.60
Hmmm... because a
thief comes in when
00:17:46.64\00:17:49.15
you don't ask... God said,
00:17:49.19\00:17:50.70
"Ask, and it shall be
given... I'm right there for you
00:17:50.74\00:17:53.38
but if you don't ask...
I'm not going to do it... "
00:17:53.42\00:17:56.03
I've tested out... I've been
meeting in about 80 countries
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of the world...
when a person prays
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and asks for the Holy
Spirit, they come up with the
00:18:02.26\00:18:04.29
same answer I do... " Hmmm...
00:18:04.33\00:18:06.34
because they're getting
it from the same source...
00:18:06.38\00:18:08.08
Hmmm... So, if you're don't...
00:18:08.11\00:18:09.75
so any time... remember that
00:18:09.79\00:18:11.36
that's why the
Spirit of Prophecy says,
00:18:11.40\00:18:13.08
Ellen G. White
says, "Always pray... "
00:18:13.12\00:18:14.77
it doesn't say sometime...
00:18:14.80\00:18:15.86
when you open up
God's Word, Yes...
00:18:15.90\00:18:18.54
and that's what you
do for the Program...
00:18:18.58\00:18:19.89
Because it's the Holy Spirit's
job to bring us into all truth.
00:18:19.93\00:18:23.45
Exactly... To teach
us... and to bring back
00:18:23.49\00:18:25.85
to our remembrance
that which we've studied...
00:18:25.89\00:18:28.24
Exactly right... in
fact in James 1:5 it says,
00:18:28.28\00:18:30.60
If you lack wisdom... ask God...
00:18:30.63\00:18:31.82
so, when they ask
me a question, I say,
00:18:31.86\00:18:33.66
"Ask God... don't ask me... "
00:18:33.70\00:18:35.45
Hmmm... Because God knows
00:18:35.49\00:18:37.21
where you are in
your spiritual walk...
00:18:37.24\00:18:38.74
see, I don't know where you
are, so, all I do is give them
00:18:38.77\00:18:42.56
what the Word of God
says, that's what they do...
00:18:42.59\00:18:44.40
now remember
this... we're teaching them
00:18:44.44\00:18:46.39
to teach others... now,
what do they teach others?
00:18:46.43\00:18:48.93
only what the Bible says...
not to give their opinion
00:18:48.96\00:18:51.43
see, anytime you
give your opinion...
00:18:51.47\00:18:53.45
then, you are of
the devil... Yes...
00:18:53.49\00:18:55.29
you see what I mean...
because God's Word tells us
00:18:55.33\00:18:57.81
in Proverbs the 30th
chapter and verses 5 and 6
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that the Word of God is
pure, and if you add to it...
00:19:00.69\00:19:03.55
it says, "You
are a liar. " Hmmm...
00:19:03.59\00:19:05.64
How many times have
you been in Sabbath School
00:19:05.67\00:19:07.06
and you've heard
these other people lying...
00:19:07.10\00:19:08.45
because they add
to the Word of God...
00:19:08.49\00:19:09.75
Hmmm... see what I mean...
00:19:09.79\00:19:10.98
so, it's all of
that... so we taught them
00:19:11.01\00:19:13.11
we said, now let me
tell you something...
00:19:13.14\00:19:14.72
there are 66 books here...
they say, "That's right... "
00:19:14.76\00:19:16.96
I say, there's 1,189
chapters... 31,173 verses
00:19:16.99\00:19:22.23
773,692 words... I say, now...
00:19:22.27\00:19:25.68
that's what you're going
to be studying for eternity
00:19:25.71\00:19:28.02
because God's Word
will last forever...
00:19:28.06\00:19:29.52
Hmmm... So, if
you don't have enough
00:19:29.55\00:19:30.95
time... I'll talk to the judge,
he'll give you more time...
00:19:30.98\00:19:32.95
they laugh... just like you...
00:19:32.99\00:19:35.93
I said, "But the main thing
is, studying God's Word... "
00:19:35.97\00:19:38.23
because that's the only thing
that's going to last forever
00:19:38.26\00:19:40.56
isn't it... Yes...
00:19:40.59\00:19:41.96
so we know... that's
going to be for eternity...
00:19:41.99\00:19:43.62
and I tell them, and I
say, "So, when you share with
00:19:43.66\00:19:45.93
somebody... give them
what the Bible says... "
00:19:45.96\00:19:47.60
when you give them you're
opinion... then you are lying.
00:19:47.63\00:19:51.04
So, what you did was...
00:19:51.08\00:19:53.22
under the unction...
00:19:53.26\00:19:55.34
because we know...
this was the Holy Spirit
00:19:55.37\00:19:57.28
that led you
there... you went in...
00:19:57.32\00:19:59.44
taught these
inmates... and in 6 months...
00:19:59.48\00:20:03.33
you went from... what
was the original number...
00:20:03.37\00:20:06.71
15 Bible students... 15
Bible students to 18,000
00:20:06.74\00:20:09.70
Now, let me tell you
what... three weeks later
00:20:09.73\00:20:12.66
that Chaplain did
come to me, after then...
00:20:12.69\00:20:15.19
he says, "I think you don't
need to be coming here anymore"
00:20:15.23\00:20:18.23
guess what the men told him?
00:20:18.26\00:20:20.71
What?
"Chaplain, this is the only
00:20:20.75\00:20:23.90
Ministry that stays with
the Bible... and if they go...
00:20:23.93\00:20:26.82
you need to go...
because the Bible needs to go,
00:20:26.85\00:20:28.65
this is the only Ministry...
that's stays with the Bible...
00:20:28.69\00:20:31.29
And so the Chaplain
became threatened by that?
00:20:31.32\00:20:34.06
Oh, yeah... because
the guys... after all...
00:20:34.10\00:20:36.57
he's ministering to
them then this rose up...
00:20:36.60\00:20:38.94
they said, "no... no...
" and so now, we stayed...
00:20:38.97\00:20:43.32
At that point...
were you feeling that
00:20:43.35\00:20:45.78
this is what God
is leading me to do...
00:20:45.82\00:20:48.18
instead of the restaurant?
No, no, I'm still... no
00:20:48.21\00:20:50.89
now, this is where
your story picks up...
00:20:50.93\00:20:52.80
I am still
interested in my restaurant,
00:20:52.83\00:20:54.74
Okay... because I'm
there in Birmingham,
00:20:54.78\00:20:56.62
but, I'm buying the
books now these books here...
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cost me money... I'm buying...
one week... I spend $5,000
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next month... especially when
it's spreading $8,000... $10,000
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three and a half years later,
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my wife said,
00:21:11.34\00:21:13.87
"Guess what... all
we got is $3.61... "
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You have
spent... All the money...
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I can't go in the
restaurant business now...
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The Lord said, "This
is what I want you to do"
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so, I said, "Lord" now
this is what I said to him
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I want you to understand me,
I said, "Lord, if you want me
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to stay here, I'm not going
to ask anybody for the money
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I'm available... I'm
not going to ask anybody
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to work for the Ministry...
but what I'm going to do...
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oh, by the way... by
that time, we had about
00:21:41.67\00:21:43.72
a hundred volunteers...
going to all the prisons
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in Alabama... that I
had organized then...
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but we were buying the books...
I didn't take up a donation
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from anybody... but
now we're down to how much?
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three dollars... And 61 cents...
00:21:53.04\00:21:54.69
now my wife would say,
less than ten dollars...
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so, I'm going to give her
a credit card... and see...
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but anyhow, I
remember the figures
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$3.61... that night we
got on our knees and said,
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"Lord, now... I
know that I'm on trial...
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because you put the
devil out of heaven for being
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disobedient... but
Lord, you're on trial too
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because I'm going to
do everything you said...
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and if you don't
take care of my needs,
00:22:21.11\00:22:22.91
I'm going to get
me another God...
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I can't trust you... " Hmmm...
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Not the next day... but
the following day after that
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this was on a Monday
night... that Wednesday...
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Brother Santini who was
out there by the Condo mailbox
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brought me a number ten
envelope the large envelope
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I opened it up...
there was a check in there
00:22:42.49\00:22:44.16
for $20,000... What?
00:22:44.20\00:22:46.33
Another man from
another State.. a Company...
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and so, I looked at
it... I called the man...
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I said, "What's this for?"
He said, "Mister, I don't know
00:22:52.89\00:22:55.58
the Lord told me
to send you this... "
00:22:55.61\00:22:57.23
Is God not amazing or what!
00:22:57.27\00:23:01.80
He was confirming...
00:23:01.83\00:23:03.67
I'm trying to tell
you... He was confirming,
00:23:03.70\00:23:06.79
that He is your
God... Oh yeah...
00:23:06.82\00:23:09.89
I said, "I don't know
what to use this for... "
00:23:09.92\00:23:12.38
He said, "I don't
know what are you doing?"
00:23:12.42\00:23:13.71
I said, "I'm in the
prison ministries... "
00:23:13.75\00:23:14.97
he said, "Well, use it for that
and what you want to use it for"
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Since that time,
Yvonne, God gets the glory...
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we've given away
71 million books...
00:23:21.11\00:23:23.69
free... free... free...
00:23:23.72\00:23:26.38
Praise God... 71 million
00:23:26.41\00:23:29.00
that's right...
Praise the Lord...
00:23:29.03\00:23:32.37
I'm sending it to every prison
in Russia... all over Romania,
00:23:32.41\00:23:34.53
all over the United
States, and what we send is...
00:23:34.56\00:23:37.25
you see this book right here...
00:23:37.28\00:23:38.31
when I send a
letter to a prison...
00:23:38.35\00:23:40.66
to all the prisons in
the United States once a year
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I said, "Whatever you
ask for, ask me for it... "
00:23:42.83\00:23:44.86
and so, I can go on and on
and tell you the many stories
00:23:44.89\00:23:47.76
because I just had
so many at the time
00:23:47.79\00:23:49.24
but I'm just letting you
know what the Lord has done...
00:23:49.27\00:23:51.24
Yes... But, let me tell you
00:23:51.28\00:23:52.59
what He's done for
me... two things...
00:23:52.63\00:23:54.50
number one... it was a blessing
00:23:54.54\00:23:58.70
that the Lord took me down to
that $3.61... I'll tell you why
00:23:58.74\00:24:02.04
when I first got
involved with the prisoners...
00:24:02.07\00:24:05.64
they'd say, "Pr. Bland,
now, I'm a dope dealer... "
00:24:05.67\00:24:09.21
the women would
say, "I'm a prostitute...
00:24:09.25\00:24:10.68
what am I going to do
when I get out of here?
00:24:10.71\00:24:12.08
I'm a Christian now... " I
said, "The Lord will provide"
00:24:12.11\00:24:15.31
guess what though... I
still had $50,000 in the Bank,
00:24:15.35\00:24:18.51
Hmmm... hmmm...
but let me tell you
00:24:18.55\00:24:20.26
30 years ago right now...
00:24:20.30\00:24:23.45
since that time...
00:24:23.49\00:24:25.14
everything we've got,
the Lord is sending...
00:24:25.18\00:24:27.06
Amen... So, I know...
00:24:27.10\00:24:28.78
so, when I tell them now,
I'm talking from experience
00:24:28.81\00:24:31.36
before, I was talking from
the money I thought was mine
00:24:31.40\00:24:33.99
Right... You see what I mean...
00:24:34.03\00:24:35.19
And it's easier... you know...
it's eminently easier to say
00:24:35.23\00:24:39.18
"The Lord's going to
take care of you... "
00:24:39.22\00:24:41.42
and you're sitting
back, on what you've got...
00:24:41.46\00:24:43.63
That's what I'm saying...
But when you're actually
00:24:43.67\00:24:45.00
living in a state of dependence
00:24:45.03\00:24:48.50
then you can share
that... so truthfully...
00:24:48.53\00:24:51.88
The Lord gave me
the experience, Yes...
00:24:51.92\00:24:53.96
And since that time... I
had to use that experience...
00:24:54.00\00:24:56.11
many, many, many times, you see,
00:24:56.14\00:24:58.56
now to think about...
how's the Lord's Prayer...
00:24:58.59\00:25:01.05
"Our Father"... what
"which are in heaven"
00:25:01.08\00:25:03.07
"Hallowed be thy...
" what? "thy name... "
00:25:03.11\00:25:04.75
"thy" what? "kingdom come"
00:25:04.78\00:25:06.06
"thy will be done on
earth... as it is in heaven... "
00:25:06.10\00:25:08.88
what's the next part?
"give us this day... "give who?
00:25:08.91\00:25:10.27
"us" so, now, that's the key...
00:25:10.78\00:25:13.58
when I get something,
I'm supposed to share it...
00:25:13.61\00:25:15.71
see, when I ask for stuff, God
is giving it to us, not to me...
00:25:15.75\00:25:19.94
and so, that's what we found
out so, before we buy the books
00:25:19.98\00:25:24.13
we buy, maybe, a box at a
time, now we're buying them at
00:25:24.17\00:25:27.90
half a million at a time...
that's the only way we can do
00:25:27.94\00:25:30.82
to keep the prices down...
because the Lord has done this.
00:25:30.86\00:25:33.71
And so, what's the plan...
00:25:33.74\00:25:34.86
are you getting it
into all the prisons
00:25:34.89\00:25:37.18
Every prison in the
United States... we serve them
00:25:37.22\00:25:39.09
we just send out an
open letter to them...
00:25:39.12\00:25:40.76
if they write me that they
want 20,000 of "Desire of Ages"
00:25:40.80\00:25:44.12
I just give it to them... just
like Jim was saying yesterday,
00:25:44.15\00:25:47.44
Jim Gilley... when he was in
New York, during the 911 thing
00:25:47.47\00:25:50.73
he called me up... we
sent them 20,000 Bibles
00:25:50.76\00:25:52.86
to give away in New York...
and then we sent to them,
00:25:52.90\00:25:55.13
you know, just give them away...
00:25:55.16\00:25:56.24
because he was in charge
of that Program at the time...
00:25:56.28\00:25:59.80
so, what I'm saying to
you, the Lord has done this...
00:25:59.84\00:26:02.21
Yes... He gets the credit
00:26:02.25\00:26:03.49
for everything... Oh yes...
00:26:03.53\00:26:04.70
so, what I'm saying to
you... everything since then...
00:26:04.74\00:26:06.67
I can go on...
but let me tell you
00:26:06.71\00:26:08.14
how it has
helped me spiritually...
00:26:08.17\00:26:09.53
I'm in the prison one
night, a tornado came up
00:26:09.57\00:26:15.28
just about the
time we got started...
00:26:15.31\00:26:18.53
I'm standing there...
and all the lights went out
00:26:18.57\00:26:20.86
in the prison... boom...
a prisoner to my left named
00:26:20.89\00:26:25.82
Tommy Weyser...
I'll never forget it...
00:26:25.86\00:26:27.29
got up and hit
the Podium and said,
00:26:27.32\00:26:28.68
"In the name of Jesus,
turn these lights back on... "
00:26:28.72\00:26:31.29
they came on... in that room
only for the next 2 hours...
00:26:31.32\00:26:33.85
the whole prison was
dark... why didn't I do it?
00:26:33.89\00:26:36.23
because I told
him... that God can do...
00:26:36.26\00:26:38.63
what? everything... I
didn't believe it myself...
00:26:38.67\00:26:40.85
Hmmm... Prisoners have taught me
00:26:40.88\00:26:43.09
to trust God...
they have taught me...
00:26:43.12\00:26:45.47
Yes... You hear me?
00:26:45.51\00:26:46.91
Yes... I can go on...
00:26:46.95\00:26:48.29
One night... So, you've got
00:26:48.32\00:26:49.58
you've benefitted so much...
Oh, what are you talking about?
00:26:49.61\00:26:51.70
That's why I say...
"work our your own salvation"
00:26:51.73\00:26:54.39
Yes... See, I was
telling that stuff
00:26:54.43\00:26:55.97
but I didn't believe it myself
until, one guy, one night named
00:26:56.00\00:27:00.60
John Sam... we'd
break up in small classes...
00:27:00.63\00:27:04.45
I said, "Can you read... "
he says, "No" then he says "Yes"
00:27:04.49\00:27:08.09
"Can you read?" "Yeah... "
00:27:08.13\00:27:09.20
"Can you read... " he
said, "No, but I'll try... "
00:27:09.24\00:27:11.43
37-year-old guy...
and I get to him...
00:27:11.46\00:27:14.13
and by-the-way... we
don't talk to anybody
00:27:14.17\00:27:15.59
unless they have a
Bible in the Class...
00:27:15.63\00:27:16.98
if they refuse the
Bible we ask them to leave...
00:27:17.02\00:27:18.65
Really... Oh yeah...
00:27:18.69\00:27:20.27
Yeah because... how can
you teach... without the Word?
00:27:20.31\00:27:22.48
We're down to like 40
seconds... What do you...
00:27:22.52\00:27:26.04
40 seconds
before the Program ends?
00:27:26.08\00:27:27.73
Yes... I can't believe
it... I can't either...
00:27:27.76\00:27:29.99
I want more...
tell us what you need...
00:27:30.02\00:27:32.48
Well, I need to tell the story
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Yes, thank you so much
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for being with us...
You said I had 40 seconds...
00:28:01.20\00:28:03.29
it's over now... and
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