Stay tuned to meet a man
whose life was radically changed
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by the
transforming power of God...
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My name is Yvonne Lewis and
you're watching Urban Report
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Hello and
welcome to Urban Report
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My guest today is Jaime
Espinal, I first heard about him
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from Pastor C.A. Murray,
he told me that Jaime's story
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is incredible and I was
fascinated when he shared
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some of it with me... so I
felt that I had to share it
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with our Urban Report viewers.
Welcome to Urban Report Jaime,
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Thank you Yvonne...
So glad to have you...
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Very nice to be
here... Thank you... OK so...
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Pastor Murray just gave me
a little bit of your testimony
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but our viewers don't
know anything about you
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so tell us about you...
tell us about your early years.
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OK... I'm
originally from Colombia
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I grew up in a
very secular environment
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my father was very proud
of me when I was 9-years-old
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and was drinking already...
so that's the environment
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I grew up with... Was
your dad an alcoholic?
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Yes... he was... he
was... and, you know, later on,
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he saw the results because...
my life was just one trial
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after another one... I
got into a lot of violence
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with gangs and I was
fighting all the time...
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How did you get
drawn into gangs?
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Well, some of the people
that I was hanging around with
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they were drinking... we
used to gather just to drink
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but we ended up in fights
and all kinds of other things
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so that's
basically... you know I was...
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there were weeks that
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they had to get me out of jail
three or four times in a week
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and my mother... she suffered
a lot because I would come home
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all bleeding... she
didn't know if the blood was
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from me or somebody else
and she had a rough time...
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and they wanted me to move
from there and they wanted to
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send me to the United
States so that I would be
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away from that...
but I didn't want to...
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but later on... things got
so bad that for my own sake
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I made the
decision to leave on my own
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and I came to the United
States. Now how many brothers
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and sisters did
you have... growing up?
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I have another 4
brothers and 1 sister,
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And where were you
in the birth order?
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I'm the second... Second...
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Yes... OK, now
were your other brothers
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doing the same kinds of things?
No... no... they were not...
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So just you...
Yeah... it was just me...
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Wow, wow... isn't it interesting
how you know, your life was
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going down... one path...
and you come up in the same
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environment... as your
sisters and brothers...
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but... you
know... some kids take a
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"dark path" so to speak and
others take a different path...
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so, you decided to leave...
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you decided... that you
were going to leave Colombia...
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Yes... How old were you?
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At that time...
I was 16-years-old
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OK... 16 and trying to
be a man where you thinking
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you're a man...
Right... right...
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Machismo? Oh
yeah... I've been arguing
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with my dad... he would say...
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you're not a man
yet... and I'd say...
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yes... I'm a man
already... but I was wrong...
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He was right...
Hmmmm... hmmmm... hmmm...
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So I moved to the United
States and I tried to have a
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decent life... I had my
regular jobs... but my friends
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in the States... in
Texas... they were all in the
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drug business...
Oh... so whom did you come
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and stay with? It
was the son of a...
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a friend of my
father's... OK... OK...
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but... I wasn't with
him very long, you know,
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because he didn't
want to really help...
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and so... anyway... I
was in that environment...
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I stayed like that
for a couple of years...
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people thought that I was
in the business of the drugs
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but I was not... but later on...
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I started getting some offers
to start getting deep into this
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type of work... It's
so interesting because now
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were you in School? Had
you dropped out of School?
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Where were you
in terms of School?
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Yeah... I dropped out...
OK... and started hanging
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with the wrong
crowd... so to speak...
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Yes... hmmmm...
hmmmm... and started...
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at first, you weren't involved
in drugs and then you decided
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to step out into that?
Well, yeah... I was offered
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a job to start smuggling money
into Colombia from the States
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Oh... So, I started taking large
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amounts of money to Colombia
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and then later
on... I was offered
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to kill some people who
were the main drug dealers
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in the area... I
refused to do that...
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but then later on...
I started building up
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my own chain of drug
business so, I started working
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with the cartels from
Colombia and built up a chain...
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in Miami... New
York... Dallas and Colombia
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very soon... I had a number
of families that were working
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for me... and I had a lot
of distributors and, you know,
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I was married at that time...
and had a little daughter...
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and for safety reasons,
I had them move to Florida
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so they won't be
near to where I was doing
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all these operations...
Look at this now Brother Jaime,
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OK so... you
started drinking at 9 right?
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You... at 15 or 16...
you come to the States
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because your parents can't
deal with where you were going
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with your life... Yes...
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you come to the States...
you don't start with drugs yet
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this is... Satan takes us
down this downward spiral right
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That's right... that's right...
... gradually, gradually... so
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at first... you are... I'm
not going to mess with those
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drugs... but then... you kind
of because you're hanging with
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the people that are doing
it... and you're probably seeing
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the fast money... and thinking
well... maybe if I do this...
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then I won't do that...
and then you just kind of get
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more and more involved...
I was being prepared for this
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since my teenage
years... and it all was
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just a matter of
time... I would say...
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Yes... yes... yes... ...
and so that eventually came
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and I clicked into it...
and that's how the Devil works..
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That is how the Devil works
you know, I always talk about
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on Urban Report... I
always talk about the plan
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that God has... just
as God has a plan for us
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that is so...
exceedingly abundantly more than
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what we could ask or
think... so the enemy...
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has a plan for us too...
right? Right... that's right...
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He saw you... he saw
that you have skills,
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and he wanted to take those
skills and use them for him
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but God had a different plan...
That's right... and it's so true
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what you just
said... and, you know,
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I have different people
along the way that have asked me
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to study the Bible...
but I refused to do it...
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you know, I said...
"That's not for me...
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that's for... you know...
in fact, I came to the point
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where I said... I
cannot hear somebody
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to tell me what was
the truth because...
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even if they are in error...
they're going to defend it
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as the truth... so,
therefore, I said...
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I'm closed to any
human being period
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Wow... ... and
that's the way I was...
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and God saw that
and went where I was...
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and He dealt with
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that situation... we have
a wonderful God, don't we?
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Oh! don't we... don't we though,
you know, when we think about
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how much He wants to bless us
how much he wants to give to us
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but we block our
own blessings. Right...
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You know... we stand in
the way of our own blessings...
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OK, so you got involved
with sending money to Colombia
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and you had all of
these families, now you...
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that says to me... you
got serious businessman skills
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you had some serious... business
multi-level marketing, whatever
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you got all these..
families... working under you...
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Yes... yes... and I
became the number one
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drug dealer in the
Dallas area at that time...
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very soon... yes...
Now, I came here from Dallas
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Oh, you did... Yes, I
lived in Dallas from 1996
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to 2010... OK... I
was there before that
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we're talking about 25
years 26 years... something...
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so, anyways... I got arrested...
I did something that I wasn't
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supposed to be
doing... and I did it...
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and I got
arrested... I felt like
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I was falling from a big tower,
and then... I was there in jail,
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and thinking that...
it really is not worth it
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Hmmmmm... ... and I
came to that decision
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and I said... "As
soon as I get out of here
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I'm going to close everything
up and I will never going to go
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into this ever again
because it's not worth it... "
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Yes... ... and
then... one week later
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they called me out and I
was free... in the streets
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and I called my
lawyer... I said, "I'm out... "
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and he said...
"How? I haven't even
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started working on
your case.. " and I said,
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"Well, don't even
bother, because I'm already out"
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Wait, now wait...
wait now Brother Jaime...
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OK... so... you did something
you weren't supposed to do
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you get
arrested... you go to jail...
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and while in jail...
you start thinking about
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all of the things
that you've done... right?
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and you're thinking to
yourself... it is not worth it
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Right... And Texas
jails are notorious...
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Oh, my! they are notorious...
so you're in there and you say
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"This isn't worth it...
I'm getting out of this... "
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and then... how
did you get set free?
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OK... well, I was
arrested with somebody else
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and it looks like... they
were following him... basically
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and so for... Oh...
they didn't have enough
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on you? No... it
seems like something
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it was... but you
see... after I got out...
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I started selling big
loose properties and closing...
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calling all these
people I was working with
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saying, "Goodbye... this is
it" putting everything straight
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closing everything
out and... it was done...
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and then, I went to
Mexico, I went to Colombia,
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came back to the States...
into Florida and started working
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a regular job...
I like the business
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I started selling cars...
you know... the business cars...
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and... after a
year... of doing this...
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my boss invited me to
have some drinks in Disney
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so, we went... and we drank
until we thought we had enough
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he went to his
house, and I attempted
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to go to my
house... I never made it...
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I fell asleep and hit a
tree... and then... the next day
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a police officer
knocked on my window...
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told me to roll down
the window, asked me for the
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Driver's License... I
gave him my Driver's License
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he went to his car... and
then.. minutes were going by
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and he didn't come back
yet... and then a lot of other
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police cars started arriving...
2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9,
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ten police cars
were all around me...
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and then the police
officer came to me and said...
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Mr. Espinal...
we've been looking for you
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we have a warrant for your
arrest... we've been looking
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for you... for
about a year... What?
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So, I told myself,
this was an error...
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or something... a
mistake but when I was in jail
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I realized, they had re-opened
the case and this was now
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a serious business...
going on... right now...
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Oh... so you... OK...
so, I just want to re-cap
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a little bit...
so you get out...
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kind of on a technicality...
you get out of jail
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you lead... an upstanding life..
you're not dealing with anything
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you're not dealing with
drugs... you're not supervising
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drug dealers...
you're not doing any of that
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you're straight as an
arrow at this point...
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Yes... You hit a tree...
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Right... ... and
were you in the car
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all night? Yeah...
I just passed out...
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and then... when you
came to... you got arrested...
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That's right... My!
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So, while I was in jail.. then
I started looking for the Lord
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then I started
praying for him...
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I found... a Bible in
Spanish which is very hard
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in those years... to
find... and I started reading...
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and I was reading and reading
and reading the New Testament
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but didn't
understand... a thing...
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I was not able to understand
anything... and then...
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Was it King James Version...
Yes... but then, you know,
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I was sleeping one night...
and then... something strong
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came to me... it is
very hard to describe...
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I was just full of joy...
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and it was a lot of peace
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and it was so wonderful
it's very hard to describe
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but it woke me up
because it just came, you know,
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so suddenly... Was it
a presence in the room
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was it... or just the feeling...
Yeah, that's what I had...
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I didn't see anything... I
just felt it and noticed that
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and I immediately... I
stood up and knelt down
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and I started praying...
and for the first time
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I opened my heart to God,
you know, because we were taught
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to just... in
the Catholic Church
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we were taught
just to repeat things...
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but here... I'm not
repeating anything...
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I'm just opening
my heart to the Lord
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and then... I
started praying for hours...
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and then... I wanted to
stop and I was not able to...
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I felt something very
strong in my jaw... you know
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there was this
moaning... and I kept on...
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and I don't know where
those words were coming from
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but I prayed all night,
until the daylight came.
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And this was your first
time ever... really praying
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ever talking to
God like a friend...
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Yes... right after I
had this, it came to me,
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and then, you
know, from the day after
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then I started reading the Bible
and I started seeing light in it
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Yes... yes, praise the Lord...
... and then I started seeing
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the beauty of the
plan of salvation...
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that if I confess my
sins, and if I come to the Lord
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repented... He will forgive
me He will give me a new life
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and not only that,
but eternal life...
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Yes... So, I was just so excited
00:15:36.77\00:15:39.60
with this that I could
not keep it for myself...
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so, I started sharing
this with my other inmate
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and he started crying...
and he was ex-Vet, you know
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from the Vietnam War... Yeah...
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he was crying...
and he, you know,
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I was sharing with...
then I started sharing with
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other inmates... and I
shared with all the inmates
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that were allowing
me to share it with...
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and then, after I did that,
I started calling my family,
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and my friends... and over
the phone I was just sharing
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with them what I
was seeing in the Bible
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and then after I
have talked with them...
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and I have talked with
the inmates, I started writing
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to myself... all the things
that I was seeing from the Bible
00:16:14.44\00:16:18.04
and it was just
wonderful, you know,
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I see the hope... you
know... and that the Word of God
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gives us... and that was
my strength and I was leaning
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into that and I was just falling
in love with the precious Savior
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Oh... ... and, you know,
00:16:31.25\00:16:32.72
there was a time
that somebody asked me,
00:16:32.75\00:16:35.12
"Jaime, how many lawyers
do you have?" and I said,
00:16:35.16\00:16:38.63
"Well, I have one in Chicago,
I have two here in Florida
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I have one in Texas, but
I'm getting to know a 5th one"
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and because the Lord
tells us in First John
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that He is our
advocate... That's right.
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...and that He will
deal with our case, you know,
00:16:50.81\00:16:53.27
and I just told him that I was
just getting to know the 5th one
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that I have five...
Yes... come on... come on...
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so it was just so
exciting... you know...
00:17:00.12\00:17:03.08
so then they
came and they told me
00:17:03.12\00:17:05.65
"You need to go to Texas,
they're going to extradite
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you to Texas... and I said...
00:17:08.66\00:17:10.66
Oh... so you weren't in
Texas? No... this was in Florida
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Oh, OK... Ok... ... and then...
00:17:12.89\00:17:15.16
I prayed to the Lord I
said, "Lord, I don't want to
00:17:15.20\00:17:18.07
go to Texas... but...
if it's for my own good,
00:17:18.10\00:17:22.20
so I will not go back to
my old life, let it be... "
00:17:22.24\00:17:26.27
and then eventually... they
said "You're going to Texas... "
00:17:26.31\00:17:30.38
so, they started getting
me ready to transfer me there
00:17:30.41\00:17:34.68
they started checking
me... everything out...
00:17:34.72\00:17:37.05
and I had the Bible in my hand,
and they said, "What is that?"
00:17:37.09\00:17:39.92
and I said, "That's a Bible"
"You cannot take the Bible. "
00:17:39.95\00:17:43.39
I said, "I need this Bible,
this is what is holding me up
00:17:43.43\00:17:46.83
here... I need
it very badly... "
00:17:46.86\00:17:48.96
"You cannot take the Bible. "
"Please, it's only a Bible... "
00:17:49.00\00:17:52.47
"YOU CANNOT TAKE THE BIBLE."
and then... I had to just leave
00:17:52.50\00:17:55.97
it there... but I felt
that they were pulling it out
00:17:56.00\00:17:59.91
from me... you
know... Yes... yes...
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That was your
lifeline... YES... YES...YES...
00:18:01.81\00:18:04.48
so, anyway... they took
me... they put the chains
00:18:04.51\00:18:09.48
all around me... took
me to the runway of the
00:18:09.52\00:18:11.59
Orlando International Airport,
and as soon as we got into
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the runway... an
airplane came just on time
00:18:16.46\00:18:19.93
and got me up and we
flew to New Orleans...
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in New Orleans... they put me
with other inmates... in a bus
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and took me to
Oklahoma. I was in Oklahoma
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and as I was in Oklahoma,
I got there in midnight
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it was a Federal
Prison, they had many floors
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and according to your
case, the worse your case was,
00:18:36.61\00:18:39.18
you were in the
higher levels, Hmmmmm...
00:18:39.21\00:18:41.88
...and then... so I was
about the third level...
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and I was the only
one going to that floor
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so I went there and
they opened the gates...
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very noisy... gates...
old prison... and they told me
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"Step on... forward... "
and I did.. they closed the door
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and then they
opened the other gate
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and then they
said, "Step forward"
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I stepped
forward... they closed the door
00:19:02.50\00:19:05.07
and here I am... in the
hall of a tank... they call it
00:19:05.11\00:19:09.11
where there is
about 8 to 9 cells
00:19:09.14\00:19:11.51
and they were all closed...
everybody was sleeping...
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there was no noise at
all, except when they closed
00:19:16.18\00:19:18.69
that door...
they shut that door...
00:19:18.72\00:19:20.62
and then... I was the only one
00:19:20.66\00:19:22.86
in the hall and they told me
"Go and walk to Cell Number 7...
00:19:22.89\00:19:27.03
stay right there... "
I went there and then...
00:19:27.03\00:19:29.56
they opened that
door for that cell...
00:19:29.60\00:19:32.93
they told me, with a
microphone, "Step in... "
00:19:32.97\00:19:37.11
I, you know, stepped
in... they closed that door
00:19:37.14\00:19:41.38
and here... I have
my things in my hand...
00:19:41.41\00:19:44.08
just and kind of looking
around where I just came to
00:19:44.11\00:19:47.78
and as I have this in
my hand, I hear a voice...
00:19:47.82\00:19:51.75
from the outside of
the bar... from the hall...
00:19:51.79\00:19:55.69
there was a Black
man with an overall...
00:19:55.72\00:19:58.63
he said, "Hey, would you like
to have a Bible in Spanish?"
00:19:58.66\00:20:03.00
and I said, "What!
a Bible in Spanish!"
00:20:03.03\00:20:07.04
and I came too close
and I took that Bible
00:20:07.07\00:20:10.34
and I couldn't believe it
I was just looking at it...
00:20:10.37\00:20:13.91
and then... and
then I wanted to thank
00:20:13.94\00:20:16.08
the person and he
was just not there...
00:20:16.11\00:20:18.18
Come on... Brother... I
looked to one side of the hall
00:20:18.21\00:20:21.88
there was nobody... I
looked to the other side
00:20:21.92\00:20:25.09
there was nobody...
and I never heard any other
00:20:25.12\00:20:28.22
noise after they locked...
they closed the gates for me
00:20:28.26\00:20:31.49
so there was no
opening or closing of any gate
00:20:31.53\00:20:35.60
at that time... and I just...
00:20:35.63\00:20:39.07
I cannot just
believe it, you know,
00:20:39.10\00:20:41.67
I have the Bible...
right there you know...
00:20:41.70\00:20:43.87
I never missed it...
the Lord provided for me...
00:20:43.91\00:20:46.81
Yes... yes...
yes... So I started reading
00:20:46.84\00:20:48.88
that Bible again
and praising the Lord
00:20:48.91\00:20:50.85
I started praying all night
until the day light came again
00:20:50.88\00:20:54.35
and I was just
praising the Lord...
00:20:54.38\00:20:55.92
I got to know the inmate
now and introduced myself
00:20:55.95\00:20:59.39
and I started sharing
with him about the good news
00:20:59.42\00:21:02.62
and I talked about the
Bible with him for two days
00:21:02.66\00:21:05.76
after two days he accepted
that Christ Jesus was his Lord
00:21:05.79\00:21:09.73
and Savior and he was
crying and he was saying,
00:21:09.76\00:21:12.93
"Oh, if my brother
would only hear this... "
00:21:12.97\00:21:16.10
and I said,
"Where is your brother?"
00:21:16.14\00:21:18.07
he said, "He's in the
last floor of this prison... "
00:21:18.11\00:21:20.74
Wow... ... so
after a couple of days
00:21:20.78\00:21:23.81
of being with him...
they moved me to another cell
00:21:23.85\00:21:26.48
I came to this other
cell, I introduced myself
00:21:26.51\00:21:29.12
and I started sharing what
the Lord was doing in my life
00:21:29.15\00:21:32.05
and asking them to accept Jesus
Christ as their Lord and Savior
00:21:32.09\00:21:36.06
and they were accepting the
Lord There wasn't resistance...
00:21:36.09\00:21:40.03
there wasn't... just like...
"Who do you think you are...
00:21:40.06\00:21:42.03
giving me this information...?"
No... because God was taking me
00:21:42.06\00:21:46.37
only to the "ripe"
people, He knew who were the
00:21:46.40\00:21:51.77
right people... I
didn't have any choice
00:21:51.81\00:21:53.58
I didn't have any
choice on where I was sent...
00:21:53.61\00:21:56.91
because I didn't know
why they were taking me
00:21:56.95\00:22:00.15
from one cell to another...
except that God has a plan...
00:22:00.18\00:22:03.49
Yes... ... for these people...
00:22:03.52\00:22:04.89
so then they took me to another
cell... and then I started
00:22:04.92\00:22:08.46
sharing the gospel over
there, they were accepting
00:22:08.49\00:22:11.53
the Lord Jesus Christ...
they took me to another cell
00:22:11.56\00:22:14.56
and then they took
me to another cell...
00:22:14.56\00:22:16.23
here, I am on the last floor
now and they put me in this cell
00:22:16.26\00:22:21.44
with this big Black
guy... who had scars everywhere
00:22:21.47\00:22:27.04
very mean
looking... I walked in there
00:22:27.08\00:22:30.78
they closed the
gate... and I had to look up
00:22:30.81\00:22:33.38
to see his face... and
then he started talking
00:22:33.42\00:22:35.95
so mean with bad words and then
he started saying that he was
00:22:35.98\00:22:41.32
there because he
had killed 23 people...
00:22:41.36\00:22:43.63
My!... ... and
the last 3 people...
00:22:43.66\00:22:45.86
he had killed right
there in the cells...
00:22:45.89\00:22:48.36
you know... in jail... He
was trying to intimidate you?
00:22:48.40\00:22:52.53
Oh, I was just praying...
"God, where did I come to?"
00:22:52.57\00:22:56.10
Where have you brought me
to? Please, please help me... "
00:22:56.14\00:22:59.64
and, you know, after a
few hours of being there
00:22:59.67\00:23:03.71
he started asking
about what I had done
00:23:03.75\00:23:09.45
"Tell me more about yourself"
and I started sharing the
00:23:09.48\00:23:12.85
Lord Jesus Christ... to him...
and I started sharing about
00:23:12.89\00:23:16.22
the plan of
salvation... Come on...
00:23:16.26\00:23:17.96
...and I started sharing to
him that if he comes to the Lord
00:23:17.99\00:23:21.03
He will give him a new life...
no matter what he had done
00:23:21.06\00:23:24.10
in the past... That's right...
00:23:24.13\00:23:25.27
...and then, he came to
the point where he was crying
00:23:25.30\00:23:29.24
he was a different person now...
I mean, you can see beauty now
00:23:29.27\00:23:34.64
in him... Yes... yes... yes...
00:23:34.68\00:23:36.14
...and he was opening
up to the Lord and Savior
00:23:36.18\00:23:39.15
and then he
accepted Him as his Savior...
00:23:39.18\00:23:41.48
and tears were
coming down his face
00:23:41.52\00:23:44.35
and you won't
believe... you won't think that
00:23:44.39\00:23:47.19
that would happen
in somebody like him...
00:23:47.22\00:23:49.99
this happened after a
couple of days of being with him
00:23:50.03\00:23:53.03
and then, later on...
they called me after a few days
00:23:53.06\00:23:56.00
to another cell...
and when I came there
00:23:56.03\00:23:58.60
I asked him,
"What is your name?"
00:23:58.63\00:24:00.70
and he gave me his name...
he was the brother of the first
00:24:00.74\00:24:04.97
inmate I met at the
beginning... The one who said,
00:24:05.01\00:24:07.21
I wish you could
meet my brother...
00:24:07.24\00:24:08.38
Yes... it was just his
brother.. and I started talking
00:24:08.41\00:24:12.91
with him... sharing
the gospel with him...
00:24:12.95\00:24:15.75
and sure enough...
he was just so ready
00:24:15.78\00:24:18.52
to take this gospel and
he was praising the Lord
00:24:18.55\00:24:22.42
you know... I'm not a
singer but I was writing songs
00:24:22.46\00:24:26.16
and I was teaching them
too because all these are like
00:24:26.19\00:24:29.80
spiritual children
for me... and I was...
00:24:29.83\00:24:32.50
now we need to praise the Lord,
and I was just singing along
00:24:32.53\00:24:37.61
and they following
me we were rejoicing
00:24:37.64\00:24:39.97
and shouting and singing to
the Lord Jesus Christ, you know,
00:24:40.01\00:24:43.48
and then... after a
month of being there...
00:24:43.51\00:24:46.65
I was in transit and
finally they took me to Dallas
00:24:46.68\00:24:52.19
where my case
was... and then there was
00:24:52.22\00:24:55.66
all kinds of miracles
happened for the following
00:24:55.69\00:25:00.20
6 months in there I mean...
one miracle after the other one
00:25:00.23\00:25:04.67
Tell us one... Well I
want to tell you this one
00:25:04.70\00:25:08.90
at one time I was in
a cell visiting somebody
00:25:08.94\00:25:13.11
and I saw a little
teeny paper full of dust...
00:25:13.14\00:25:17.25
under the foot of
the leg of this inmate
00:25:17.28\00:25:21.38
and I asked him
00:25:21.42\00:25:22.48
"May I lift that piece of
paper" and he said, "Sure"
00:25:22.52\00:25:26.89
so I lifted it
up... dusted it off...
00:25:26.92\00:25:30.39
I opened it up... and
it was an Outpost Center
00:25:30.43\00:25:34.56
from Keene, Texas,
and I, I... it said,
00:25:34.56\00:25:38.53
"Community Service" and I said,
00:25:38.57\00:25:40.34
"Well, these people
may help me with Bible... "
00:25:40.37\00:25:42.17
and so I wrote to
them... and I said,
00:25:42.20\00:25:44.14
I need Bibles in English
and I need Bibles in Spanish
00:25:44.17\00:25:47.48
they sent me a full
box of Bibles in English
00:25:47.51\00:25:49.94
and a full box
of Bibles in Spanish
00:25:49.98\00:25:51.95
I had a small group in
Spanish and I had a small group
00:25:51.98\00:25:55.08
in English... we
were studying the Bible
00:25:55.12\00:25:57.29
and so... we had a
feast with all these Bibles...
00:25:57.32\00:26:00.79
and it was just
so wonderful, Yes...
00:26:00.82\00:26:03.12
but not only that... I
was praying to the Lord
00:26:03.16\00:26:05.63
to give me a confirmation
that the experience I was having
00:26:05.66\00:26:08.13
was the true experience...
because some people thought
00:26:08.16\00:26:10.60
I was crazy... Hmmmmm...
00:26:10.63\00:26:12.37
and then... these same
people who sent me the Bibles
00:26:12.40\00:26:15.37
sent me a little book
called, "Steps to Christ"
00:26:15.40\00:26:18.51
Come on... come on now...
... and then... when I read that
00:26:18.54\00:26:21.68
when I got that book...
for the first time I hear
00:26:21.71\00:26:25.78
the still small
voice that was telling me
00:26:25.81\00:26:28.05
"There's no
error... in that book... "
00:26:28.08\00:26:30.22
and I couldn't
believe it until I read it
00:26:30.25\00:26:32.29
it was refreshing my soul,
that was the confirmation...
00:26:32.32\00:26:36.36
I needed so badly...
that what I was experiencing
00:26:36.39\00:26:39.59
was the true conversion
and it was just so exciting
00:26:39.63\00:26:42.70
because then God lead me into...
as I studied the different
00:26:42.73\00:26:46.47
denominations
that are out there...
00:26:46.50\00:26:48.50
then for the first
time I hear about the
00:26:48.54\00:26:51.07
Seventh-day Adventist
Church, and that's how
00:26:51.11\00:26:53.51
I got to know the
Seventh-day Adventist Church
00:26:53.54\00:26:55.84
when I got out of jail...
they were going to give me
00:26:55.88\00:26:58.48
39 years in prison... but God...
00:26:58.51\00:27:00.98
all the 4 lawyers resigned...
except the 5th one...
00:27:01.02\00:27:04.99
and He got me out... Amen...
00:27:05.02\00:27:08.82
...and I just praise the
Lord because He gave me...
00:27:08.86\00:27:10.66
a new life... Yes, and
what are you doing now?
00:27:10.69\00:27:13.50
Well, we have a
ministry in Mexico...
00:27:13.53\00:27:15.66
we have... my
wife and I... we have a
00:27:15.70\00:27:17.83
Medical Missionary
Training mission in Mexico
00:27:17.87\00:27:20.64
we're helping all kinds of
people that come over there
00:27:20.67\00:27:23.41
with natural remedies... we
have a vegetarian restaurant,
00:27:23.44\00:27:26.11
agriculture program...
and a lot of other services
00:27:26.14\00:27:29.11
that we have on our website...
Amazing... and we'll put your
00:27:29.14\00:27:33.15
website up on the air
as well. Thank you so much.
00:27:33.18\00:27:36.55
I can't believe our time is
up, this... I mean, this flew by
00:27:36.58\00:27:40.12
this is so powerful...
I mean... several times
00:27:40.16\00:27:43.32
I just wanted to
cry... Thank you so much...
00:27:43.36\00:27:46.49
Thank you and God bless you.
God bless you, God bless you.
00:27:46.53\00:27:49.00
Continue doing your work
for the Lord... we need you.
00:27:49.03\00:27:52.17
Look at how God
just led this Brother...
00:27:52.20\00:27:55.37
from one path to another.
We hope you were blessed.
00:27:55.40\00:27:58.77
Well, join us next time...
It just wouldn't be the same...
00:27:58.81\00:28:02.14
without you...
00:28:02.18\00:28:03.98