Can God repair a
super-broken life and restore it
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to a place of purpose?
Stay tuned... to meet a man
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whose life was broken
and the dedicated woman
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that God placed in his
life. My name is Yvonne Lewis
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and you're
watching Urban Report...
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Hello and welcome
to Urban Report...
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Today our guests are
Cliff and Freddie Harris
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Co-Directors of the
Drug Alternative Program
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and hosts of Dare
to Dream's program
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"Drugs Close to Home"
welcome to Urban Report
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Cliff and Freddie... Yeah...
Thank you... thank you...
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I am so glad you guys are here.
Yes, it's been quite a few years
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since we've been here...
Now when did you come to 3abn
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first?... We first
came to 3abn in the
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early 90s... Wow!...
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Yes, we came and Danny put us
right on the program saying...
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"We want you to do a TV program
and we were on TV for about
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eight years...
That's tremendous...
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That's tremendous...
and now... you're doing
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Drugs Close to
Home... tell us a little bit
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about that program. You
know, Drugs Close to Home is
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right in our
backyard... Literally...
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Literally in our
backyard, right honey?
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Yes... we do the programs
right in our backyard...
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Right... we just wanted
to start this program again
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because we had so many guys
in our program with such great
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testimonies... you know,
and people crossing our paths...
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and we just decided...
Hey we're going to start a
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Drugs Close to Home
again... so this is our... what?
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third year? Yeah..
third year... Third year...
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That's tremendous and I
know our viewers are blessed by
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watching it... for
those who don't know about
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the program that you co-direct,
tell us a little bit about that,
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what is it? Well,
it's an in-patient drug
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program for men who have
drug problems... because...
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see... I'm an ex-drug addict...
and I always wanted to help
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somebody not go through
what I went through in life,
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you know, on drugs
and in penitentiary... and
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in and out of jails all my
life lost the family home...
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all those things behind
drugs, so... my thing was...
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I told Freddie...
after we were married...
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that I wanted to help
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somebody not go
through what I went through...
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and so... then we moved
from Denver to California...
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and started the
program and that was it...
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And speaking of marriage...
We have a love story.. you know,
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I met Cliff on
Sabbath at Church...
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he proposed to me...
Sunday... and 3 months later...
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we were married... Wait
a minute... wait a minute
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wait... wait... wait... wait...
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So you guys met on a
Sabbath, he proposed on Sunday,
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and three months
later we were married...
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my son introduced
us in the lobby of the
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Denver Park Hill
Church... Right...
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OK... let's go through
this story... because this is
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too good... this is too juicy...
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I had been friends with
his son for like two years...
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I was like his
second mother Okay...
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and I had also spent
a year with the Lord...
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I decided that I wasn't
going to date or do anything...
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I wanted to spend a year
with the Lord and really get to
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know Him... I
wasn't thinking about
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a husband, I just
wanted to get to know
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Jesus and at the same
time, Cliff was in prison...
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and he was getting to
know the Lord through the
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book... "Desire of
Ages" and reading...
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and so when he got out of
prison and came to Church...
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I walked in the Church and
there stood Cliff and Jeffrey
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and I just normally
hug Jeffrey and kiss him...
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"Hi Son, how're you doing?"
and I looked and I saw Cliff...
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and you tell the
rest of the story...
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Well, I was like... you
know... when I got out of
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penitentiary...
my whole thing was...
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you know... because...
previously in my life...
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you know... I was a pimp,
I had a woman on the streets,
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I did all that... you
know... dealt drugs and
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was in and out of
jail... So my thing was...
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when I was in prison... I
was like.. I've got to go back
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to Church... You
had spiritual roots?
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Oh yeah... Because I
want you to talk about
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the whole experience,
but you had spiritual roots?
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Yes, yes... So you
decided... while there
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you were going to
go back to Church...
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Yeah... let me go back to
Church let me go to Church...
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And to make a long
story short, when he saw me...
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the Holy Spirit impressed
him "She's the one... "
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and we met and had a
date that Saturday night...
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and he brought me one red rose,
and the Holy Spirit impressed
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me... not knowing
that it impressed him...
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that he is the
one... So we both knew...
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we were for each other... My!...
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And you know...
the Church went wild...
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Oh Freddie...
this was my feeling
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of when I saw her... you
know... I looked in her face...
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and all I saw was her face...
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because, I was the kind of man..
you know... if I see a woman...
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it's like "Hi...
how are you?" you know,
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and I am looking you up
and down and all of that,
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and my whole thing
was... I didn't look at her in a
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sexual manner... I
just saw the face...
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and in that face... I
saw all this peace and joy
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and happiness... and I
said... something within me...
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because when I got out of
prison I wasn't going to get
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involved with any
female... in any kind of way...
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Let me go to
Church, sit down on the pew,
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just go to
Church... and sit down...
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Look at this, look at this...
because both of you decided
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to seek God first... Right...
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So seek ye first the Kingdom
of Heaven and His righteousness
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and all these things
shall be added unto you...
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So you weren't even
thinking about it...
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neither of you
was thinking about,
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"Let me go and find... the one"
and yet when you saw each other
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when you saw her...
the Holy Spirit said,
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"She's the one," and
when he brought you that rose
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the Holy Spirit
said, "He's the one. "
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Right... right... So,
Sabbath... you meet...
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Sunday... OK,
wait... let's go to
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Saturday night...
OK, OK, so how did you
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ask her out...
when you saw her...
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you thought she was
the one... how did you...
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where did you go from there?
Well, see... the first time
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that I saw her at Church,
I had been going for about
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maybe three months...
but I never saw her...
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so when I saw her...
one time at Church...
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I asked my son
about her... and he said,
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I don't know her... daddy,
I don't know the phone number
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I asked my sister...
"Oh, you don't want to...
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Were they trying to
block... So I'm like,
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OK, when I see her at
Church I'll handle it myself...
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but when she went to
Church... she didn't come
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that next Sabbath
and I was more like...
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"Hey... she's not here... "
but she came that evening...
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at that time, they
called it AY, Right...
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And when I saw her...
she was standing there
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talking to another guy...
and she had her back to me,
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and I was leaning
up against the wall,
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and I said to myself, said
it kind of under my breath,
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Yeah, you know... I
know... I'm watching you
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I'm going to
keep on watching you.
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And Yvonne, I really
felt him watching me...
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I got... I felt
these eyes at the back
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I mean, I turned
around, I went up to him,
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and I said,
"Hi" and I said, "Hi"
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and I said to her... I said...
you know, "I'm looking for
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a Christian friend... how would
you like to be that friend?"
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and I said, "I
think I would like that"
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I said, "But in order
for us to be friends... "
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I said, "We got to
get to know each other"
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I said, "What is
your phone number?"
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"Where do you
live?" And we made a date
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to see each other
that Saturday night.
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And so, I made a date, to
see her that Saturday night,
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I called her on the
phone, because she gave me
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her number in the Lobby,
and I called her that night,
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and I told her that I
had something for her,
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and she says,
"You don't even me...
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how do you have
something for me?"
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I said, "Oh yeah, I know
you" And when he came that
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Saturday night, he
brought me one red rose...
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And it was so beautiful...
and the fragrance... like...
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overwhelmed
me... and at that time,
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the Holy Spirit
impressed me, "He is the one"
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And we talked
that night and he said,
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"Well, I want you to come to
my house... you know... Sunday
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and I came to his
house... and he sat down in
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one end of couch, and I
sat down in the other end
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of the couch...
and he told me...
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Wait a minute
Freddie, now wait a minute...
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I got to tell you this though...
See... she was the Bible Worker
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at the Church... she
worked for the Conference
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All right... And here I was...
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they all knew who I
was... you know, Cliff Harris,
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this drug addict,
penitentiary boy, you know,
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he ain't worth a
dime... and so, here he is,
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talking to our
sweet Sister Freddie...
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Oh... they felt like they
needed to protect her from you..
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That's it... OK, and
they did try to do that,
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But I had to let her
know about me before she
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would hear it from
them... So, when I asked her to
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come to my place, the
next day, she sat on the couch,
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and I told her that I'd
been a drug addict all my life,
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I'd stole, I'd lied, I'd cheated
I'd done all these things,
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And she looked at me
and she said, "Is that all?"
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And I said, "Is that
all?" because the Holy Spirit
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had already
impressed... "He's the one... "
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because being an
Adventist all my life
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never smoked or drank... I
would have run out the door
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but I knew... this was the
guy that God had chosen for me
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and God brought us together...
not just for marriage,
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but as you see now... the birth
of Drug Alternative Program
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Absolutely... God has,
you know, we talk about this
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on Urban Report all the time,
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the Divine Plan... that
God has for each of us...
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Now, you would not have known,
when you went to Church that day
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that you were going to
meet the love of your life...
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That's just... But God knew...
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He had the plan...
and not only that...
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When God does things... He
doesn't just do things in one
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He doesn't just accomplish
one thing with one move,
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He accomplishes
several things with one move,
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Right... right... So,
He brought you together
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He gave you... your
partner for heaven...
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because Ellen White
lets us know too that...
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that the person that
we're with, our spouse,
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can either help us go to Heaven
or lead us away from Heaven,
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Amen... And so, you were placed,
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in his life as that rock...
He was placed in your life
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as that house band...
and you guys... I mean...
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And how many years has it
been? Twenty eight years...
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Wow... yes, yes... and
nobody said it would last...
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twenty eight years!
Now, would you advise
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other young
people who.. let's say...
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somebody just met this guy...
a guy just met this girl...
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would you advise them to do
the same thing that you did?
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No! because our was definitely
providential... you know
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because we had
prepared ourselves...
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not like... we
just met each other...
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but he had prepared
himself for a year...
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I had prepared
myself for a year...
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And I'd received this
poem... because I'd joined the
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Adventist Singles Club...
and I'd received this poem
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called, "Most
Wonderful Love" and it said...
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Freddie... I want you
to stop looking around
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for that perfect
person, and I want you to
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fall in love with
me... Jesus Christ...
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and that's when I decided...
you know, I'm going to spend
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one year with the Lord...
I'm not going to look for anyone
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I am just going to
get to know Jesus...
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then after that...
then... that's when He brought
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Cliff into my life...
So we have an exception
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to the rule...
OK... All right...
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You know what she
said to me one time?
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She said to me,
"You're Number Two...
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in our marriage"
What do you mean...
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I'm Number Two, I'm your
husband you're husband...
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I'm supposed to be Number One
but one thing she said to me...
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"Oh no, you might wake
up one morning and tell me,
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'I don't love you anymore...
' but if Jesus is Number One
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in my life.. "... this is her...
"He's not going to die on me,
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He's not going to divorce me...
He's not going to leave me...
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He's going to always
be there for you... "
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and so... that made
sense to me, and I'm like,
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"Yeah OK, I can
understand that" and so...
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You'll take Number Two...
Yeah... I'll take Number Two...
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Yeah... and even in that
process I got to learn...
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and she told me...
"I'm going to teach you
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how to fall in love with Jesus"
I'm like, "What do you mean?
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I love Jesus... "
"No, I'm going to teach you
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how to fall in love with
Him.. " OK, whip it on me...
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because that's what I wanted...
OK, so what are the steps?
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I want to hear,
what are the steps...
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let's tell our
viewers... what are the steps
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to falling in with
Jesus? Those steps, Yvonne,
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is spending more time
with Jesus you know, every day,
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Cliff and I spend
time... worship individually
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and together...
because we know that...
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Hey, prayer is the answer,
studying the Word of God,
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because, you know, we
work in this ministry,
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24/7 and if we are not
spending time with the Lord,
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if we're not going to
Church, if we're not going to
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Prayer Meetings, we're
not having that fellowship
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with Him... what do we have
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to give these guys?
And you know, I read...
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What is his name? ... Chambers
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Oswald Chambers says
"Activity is the unrecognized
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symptom of spiritual
weakness. " Activity?
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...is the
unrecognized symptom...
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we don't even recognize the
symptom of spiritual weakness,
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When I read that...
it just like... hit me...
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I said, "Lord, we have got
to spend more time with you. "
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That's the key... to
having that relationship
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with Him... You know Freddie,
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that's so true because
when you're in ministry...
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your focus... all
day... is ministry...
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and if you don't
have that private time...
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with the Lord... it
just will become a job...
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because it's not going to
be, you know, that purposeful,
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passionate,
ministry... it's going to be,
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"Well, you know, I'm
going to do this, this, this...
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but without the underlying
passion... for Jesus...
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That's right... What
are you smiling about?
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I asked you the other day...
you remember I asked you this?
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What?... I asked you, I said,
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Are you tired?
You were at a booth,
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you were at the booth,
and I know what it's like
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working at a booth...
you're there on your feet...
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all day... talking to
people, and I asked you,
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I said, "It's hard, isn't
it, working at the booth?"
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and you said, "No, it's
not... I'm enjoying it. "
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and that's what I saw in you,
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I'll never forget
you said that to me...
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That told me a lot about
you... and what your ministry
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and what you're
doing right here...
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Praise the
Lord... You enjoy it...
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you get a satisfaction from
it, and it's a challenge to you
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every day because,
yes... it might be hard...
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we run through
challenges and difficulties,
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but for Jesus...
all that wipes it out...
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Yes... And
that's what makes you so
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special... Well,
praise the Lord Brother...
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Where's my check
book? Just don't cash it...
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I am in ministry
so don't cash it...
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But you know...
and that's the same
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with you guys... you
love what you're doing...
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it is... it is... again...
part of the Divine Plan...
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Right... And you know, Cliff,
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your story is so compelling,
many of our viewers know it,
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many don't... share
some of your testimony
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with us... because God
has just brought you...
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Well, you know, I've
been raised a Christian...
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went to Pine Forge Academy,
went to all Church Schools,
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my father always
took us to Prayer Meeting,
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always took us to Sabbath School
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we had prayer... every morning
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before he went to work
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We had worship as a
family, we would have worship
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together... as a
family, in the evening...
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you know, not
that it was a boring...
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I had a good childhood,
so, I was raised that way,
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but it got to be...
at a point in my life...
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After I was married...
and I had three children...
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and I started to run
with this group of guys
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and they started doing
drugs and I was upset with them
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when they first
started smoking weed and
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I was... but I wanted to be part
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of what they were
doing... How old were you
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when you started
moving away? Twenty one...
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Oh.. so you weren't a teenager?
Hmm, hmmm, because I used to get
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upset with them... I
wouldn't let you smoke
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in my car... I
wouldn't let you drink
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in my car... But
I ran with the wrong
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group of guys... so if
you're in that environment
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you become... part of that...
Come on, come on... that's right
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And so, it took over
and the next thing you know
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Hey... I'm shooting
up... next thing... you know...
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first it was... whoosh, whoosh,
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then... the weed..
then shhhh, shhhhhh
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then shhhh, shhhh Is
that something that you
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thought... you'd never do?
I thought I'd never do that
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in my life...
Things that I have done
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in my life... I never
thought that I would do,
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you know, I buried
my momma ten times...
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What do you mean?
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you know, when
I say that line...
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I got to go to my
mother's funeral...
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to get off work... you know...
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my mother's passed
away... and I got to go away...
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and I'm gone from work
for three or four days...
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Selling my children's bicycle,
my daughter's bicycle...
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another thing
that I know I did...
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you know... I
tried to sell the dog...
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Oh... man... Can
you imagine that?
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It's like a family member
right? yes... you're trying...
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I put him in the car...
trying to sell a little dog
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to get the money so
that I can get high...
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and when I couldn't sell
him... I threw him out the car
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and when the kids came
home... Where's the dog?
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I don't know...
Maybe he's run away...
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you know.. these
kinds of things you know...
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that I did to my
children... You know, Cliff,
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one thing that I realize
and I feel for, right now,
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because... one
thing that I realize
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that the devil does...
is... he starts us here...
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he's patient...
He starts us here...
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and then... little by little...
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he just spirals us
downward... until he destroys
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our characters... he
destroys our integrity
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he just... that's his goal...
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and there's so
many people who think...
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"Man... if I'd just had money...
or if I'd just had the bling...
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or if I had just had... "
It's such a big deception...
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because once you
start down that path,
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it's like you're on a train...
that you can't get off of...
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Am I right? Right...
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Did you feel...
just compelled... like...
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I just have to
have that money...
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I have to get these
drugs... I have to...
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Yes... and you do whatever...
you will sell your momma...
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you will sell your children...
Do you understand what I mean?
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I've heard stories about that...
and I've done so many things...
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There are some
things I have done...
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I can't even talk
about on this program...
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I am serious... that
I've done to my ex-wife,
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to my children... and, you know,
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those are the kinds of things
that you will carry with you
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for the rest of your
life... Yes... yes...
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For the rest of your
life... But Jesus is so good,
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Yes, He is... You hear me...
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Yes.. That he takes all this
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stuff away... He
says, "Bring them to me... "
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"Put them on my
shoulder" "I'll handle it"
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Yes... And we take it to Him...
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and put it on His
shoulder... So you know what?
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I don't have a lot of
guilt for what I've done...
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'cause God has taken
all that away from me...
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Because you are a
new creature Cliff...
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Yes... yes... He
has forgiven me...
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I don't care if you haven't...
if you don't forgive me...
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then that's your
problem... but I know...
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Jesus has
forgiven me... you know,
00:20:05.00\00:20:08.60
I wouldn't get all these
blessings that I have now
00:20:08.64\00:20:11.04
in my life... I know
Satan is not doing it...
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So, I know that it is
the Lord. Absolutely...
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Once you take all of these
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burdens and lay them
at the feet of Jesus,
00:20:22.05\00:20:25.22
it frees you... Because
otherwise.. you would be
00:20:25.25\00:20:28.82
walking around under that
load of guilt but Jesus said,
00:20:28.86\00:20:32.96
You know, that, "Come
unto me all ye that are
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that labor and are heavy laden,
and I will give you rest...
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And you know what...
let me tell you this...
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Come on... tell me...
I used to sit and think
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my whole thing was...
when I was in prison...
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I want some peace
of mind... PEACE...
00:20:46.94\00:20:49.91
because I
remember... you know...
00:20:49.94\00:20:52.85
in the early days of my
life, I'll put it like this...
00:20:52.88\00:20:56.25
Jesus would say, "Come unto
me and I'll give you peace...
00:20:56.28\00:20:59.62
you'll have
peace... " and I wanted peace
00:20:59.65\00:21:02.56
and I said, "You know what?
I can get it... over here...
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in Church...
Let me go there... "
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You see the seeds
had been planted...
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I want to tell
all of you mothers,
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because I have children too
that have strayed from the Lord,
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and I just want you to
know that Jesus has a plan
00:21:17.31\00:21:21.74
for those children.. and
that... all we have to do is
00:21:21.78\00:21:25.38
continue to be faithful to
God and pray for those children,
00:21:25.41\00:21:29.88
pray for our
children... plant those seeds
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in the children
when they are young
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Right... Because...
look at what happened
00:21:34.62\00:21:37.86
with you Cliff... you
went away.. and came back...
00:21:37.89\00:21:41.30
His mother never knew that
he got his life together...
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Oh, she passed away before...
Yes, she passed away before that
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Let me just say
this... what you said...
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and I want to say the same thing
00:21:49.67\00:21:51.87
because I'm telling you,
this is what happened to me,
00:21:51.91\00:21:54.58
My daddy... after my
mother passed away...
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My daddy... I kept him for 20...
No, for six years of his life...
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he came and stayed
with me, I kept him,
00:22:07.12\00:22:11.46
and he said to
me... one morning...
00:22:11.49\00:22:14.03
sitting at the breakfast
table, my daddy said to me,
00:22:14.10\00:22:17.13
"Clifford, you're mother
would be proud of you now...
00:22:17.17\00:22:20.77
to see... you have changed...
and who would have thought
00:22:20.80\00:22:24.37
you... me... out of
all my brothers and sisters
00:22:24.41\00:22:28.48
you'd be the one
to take care of me...
00:22:28.51\00:22:31.85
and through her prayers...
the Lord answered her prayer...
00:22:31.88\00:22:36.92
even though she was
gone. That's another thing...
00:22:36.95\00:22:41.19
God honors the
prayers of the saints...
00:22:41.22\00:22:43.99
even when they go to
sleep... those prayers...
00:22:44.03\00:22:46.90
because my grandmothers...
I know, both of them,
00:22:46.93\00:22:49.70
prayed me back into the Church,
prayed me back into Jesus,
00:22:49.73\00:22:53.37
and my grandmother
was... my maternal grandmother
00:22:53.40\00:22:56.24
was still living... when
I came back to the Lord...
00:22:56.27\00:22:59.04
But my paternal...
my father's mother,
00:22:59.07\00:23:03.01
had passed away...
but... I know she prayed for me
00:23:03.04\00:23:07.08
and God honors those prayers,
even though they've gone
00:23:07.12\00:23:10.42
to sleep... He still
honors those prayers.
00:23:10.45\00:23:13.09
And when we go to Heaven,
your mom is just overjoyed...
00:23:13.12\00:23:18.09
Hallelujah, Amen... Yes, yes...
00:23:18.13\00:23:19.86
She sees your face...
she's going to rejoice...
00:23:19.89\00:23:21.93
Not only him...
but all the others
00:23:21.96\00:23:23.50
that he has helped,
you know. Yes... yes...
00:23:23.53\00:23:26.20
You know, my mother said to me,
and I will never forget this,
00:23:26.23\00:23:32.17
on her deathbed...
my mother had cancer...
00:23:32.21\00:23:35.58
she was dying from
cancer... and I went to see her
00:23:35.61\00:23:40.75
I drove from California...
I mean from Denver...
00:23:40.78\00:23:45.92
to Florida...
to see my mother...
00:23:45.95\00:23:47.89
OK... Hmmmm...
00:23:47.92\00:23:50.63
I was still on
drugs... I went there to see her
00:23:50.66\00:23:55.60
and I went to
jail there... Wow...
00:23:55.63\00:24:00.47
OK? You gave yourself up?
00:24:00.50\00:24:02.30
No, I walked into a liquor
store with a marijuana joint
00:24:02.34\00:24:07.78
in my mouth... ...
and got arrested...
00:24:07.81\00:24:10.25
and the police was in
the store, and he's like
00:24:10.28\00:24:15.58
"Are you nuts?" you
know... and I was arrested
00:24:15.62\00:24:20.89
in Florida... so
I took this problem
00:24:20.92\00:24:23.93
to my mom and dad...
00:24:23.96\00:24:25.63
I had my three children with me
00:24:25.66\00:24:28.63
to see my mother... and
you know when I got back
00:24:28.66\00:24:31.30
my dad came and
got me out of jail...
00:24:31.33\00:24:33.34
my mother said to me...
I was sitting on her bed...
00:24:33.37\00:24:38.27
my mother... said to me...
00:24:38.31\00:24:41.81
Clifford... I wish you
had never come to see me...
00:24:41.84\00:24:46.48
because you brought all
the stuff and pain to me...
00:24:46.51\00:24:50.85
I don't want to see you...
00:24:50.89\00:24:53.09
Here's your
momma... telling you...
00:24:53.12\00:24:54.76
"I don't want to see
you" I had a good momma...
00:24:54.79\00:24:59.63
you know, she
wasn't an evil person or
00:24:59.66\00:25:03.37
hard person... you
know, I think you knew
00:25:03.40\00:25:06.33
my mother... I don't
know if you did or not,
00:25:06.37\00:25:09.24
from family but... it
was the pain that I brought
00:25:09.27\00:25:16.34
to them both, you
know, and I had to go back
00:25:16.38\00:25:20.18
to Colorado... after that...
I went to prison again...
00:25:20.22\00:25:23.18
the second time...
but... that's OK...
00:25:23.22\00:25:27.19
I know, I am going to
see my mother in Heaven...
00:25:27.22\00:25:29.82
you know what I mean?
It's a great Getting-up-morning
00:25:29.86\00:25:32.93
it's a great
Getting-up-morning... coming...
00:25:32.96\00:25:35.36
and the pain that she
had... it will be like...
00:25:35.40\00:25:39.03
childbirth... you
forget about it...
00:25:39.07\00:25:40.67
because when she sees
your face there Cliff...
00:25:40.70\00:25:44.21
that's going to erase
all the former pain...
00:25:44.24\00:25:47.74
all the former
pain... What would you say,
00:25:47.78\00:25:50.48
in the last couple
of minutes that we have,
00:25:50.51\00:25:53.62
from both of you...
Freddie, what advice would
00:25:53.65\00:25:57.85
you give to a mother
that has a wayward child,
00:25:57.89\00:26:02.06
that wants that
child to know Jesus...
00:26:02.09\00:26:04.73
what would you say? You
know I had a wayward son too
00:26:04.76\00:26:07.50
we have this
ministry... and our son...
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my son was on drugs...
and I was Ms. Co-dependent
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but I had to just... let go...
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and let him feel the
consequences of these
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decisions that he
made... and I kept praying...
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I kept praying... and
the Lord just impressed me
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one day... Lennon is on drugs
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go to Atlanta to see
him... I went to see him...
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we talked... I
told him he was on drugs
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he had been on
drugs for five years,
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and I didn't even know
it, but he gave his heart
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to the Lord... and I...
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today, I can say,
he's a Minister...
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married with two children...
but my advice would be
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"Let go... and let God...
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and don't be a co-dependent
to them... just let them
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feel the
consequences... but be there,
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let them know, you love them,
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but don't be a co-dependent...
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That's so true
Freddie... you want to support
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your children...
but not enable them...
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Right... So you
don't want them to
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you don't want it to
foster the bad choices
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that they've been making...
because... once you do that...
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you're in it with
them... That's right...
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and you just make it worse,
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so... that's a major
thing... plant the seeds,
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when the children are
young, just like what happened
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with you Cliff... and
God brought you back...
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and He brought you back...
with a sense of urgency...
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for Him... Yes, yes...
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What else... I mean...
what else is there to say?
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I can't believe
our time is up...
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Thank you guys... thank
you so much for coming...
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I'm so blessed...
whenever I hear your testimony
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Cliff... and you have a book...
tell us the name of your book,
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"Death Dance" Death
Dance by Patti Conwell
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Yes... As told
to Patti Conwell...
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I should say...
well thank you so much
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for being with us... and
you're going to come again,
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We... are... all
right... promise...
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Promise... you hear this...
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Our time has slipped
away... thanks so much
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for tuning in...
join us next time...
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It just wouldn't be
the same... without you...
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