The Entertainment Industry is a
maze of seduction and illusion.
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Stay tuned to see how one man
found his way out and is paving
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the way for
others to find Christ.
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My name is Yvonne
Lewis and you're watching
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Urban Report...
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Hello and
welcome to Urban Report.
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My guest today is
Pastor Ivor Myers,
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President and Founder of
Power of the Lamb Ministries
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and Bible ARME Camp and co-host
of 3abn's Battles of Faith
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with his wife Atonte
Myers. Welcome to Urban Report
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Pastor Myers... Thank
you for having me Yvonne.
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It's so great to have you here,
I am excited because I know you
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have some great
information for us today.
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Praise the Lord, praise God.
So, a lot of our viewers are
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familiar with Battles of Faith,
but we have some who aren't.
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Tell us about your story...
tell us how you just evolved
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by the grace of God into who
you are... who were you before?
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Well, I was born in Jamaica in
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1972 and my family came to the
United States when I was about
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5... I think maybe 6 years old,
and we didn't have any religious
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background, we just kind of
went to Church on certain days
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of the... maybe once or
twice a year... you know,
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Christmas and if family members
had invited us but nothing...
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we just didn't grow up in a
religious setting and when I
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came to the United States,
I had a very strong Jamaican
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accent and so the kids
would make fun of me and I
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discovered that one of the
best ways to make friends was
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to get into that culture, that
was actually getting popular
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at that time which was hip-hop,
break-dancing and my younger
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brother and I started getting
into the whole, you know,
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the whole scene... the dressing,
the style, the language
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everything... so that's what
got us into the hip-hop culture
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and we just began to
flourish in it... you know,
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getting involved in Rap
music and it eventually led
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to an eight-album
contract with EMI Records...
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now I just kind of jumped
a whole lot there but we were
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signed to a contract
with EMI Records in 1993
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as part of a
four-man hip-hop group
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and during this time
again, we really had no strong
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religious encounter...
and we thought that we were
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on our way to fame which we were
we ended up on Soul Train, BET,
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Rap City, MTV, I mean we
were the up-and-coming group...
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Let me ask you something Pastor,
when you were kind of immersed
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in the hip-hop culture,
did you feel that anything was
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wrong with it or did you
really just embrace it as being
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what you wanted to do?
Yeah, I just embraced it, I mean
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I didn't have any real compass
to determine what was right
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and what was wrong and, in
fact, in the Hip-Hop culture,
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it was very antagonistic
to the Bible, so, you know,
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the Bible was
considered a tampered book,
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and, you know, the racial
issues it was just like...
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the Bible is not our book,
the black man being from Africa,
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there was a whole lot of
talk of other religions like
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the Nation of 5 percenters,
the Nation of Islam and all
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these other kinds of
quote unquote "Black Religions"
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so, as far as the Bible was
concerned, it wasn't really,
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you know, I had no compass
and the Bible just wasn't
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a part of our lives in the
way that would have helped me
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to determine, "Oh
yeah, this is right...
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this is wrong," you
know, nothing like that...
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Right, it's so interesting to
me how Satan does that, I mean,
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if you have nothing
else to compare it with...
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nothing else to counteract the
counterfeit so to speak, then,
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of course, you tend to kind
of embrace what "feels" good or
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what sounds good and so you
just kind of flow over into that
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because there is nothing to
balance that out or to actually
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get rid of the wrong and put
you on the right course... so...
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Absolutely... so
you were in this group
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and you guys were
starting to hit the big time,
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singing in all these TV
programs and doing all that...
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where was your head, were you,
again, was this something that
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you were ready to go for?
Was your head totally just
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into this? Or did you
feel afraid of the success?
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Where were you? No,
not at all, we were totally
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into it, we had always dreamed
of, you know, being like those
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of them that we had
seen on TV before us
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and so we looked up to these
Rap Stars and now we were like,
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"Okay, it's our turn... "
and totally moving forward
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totally gung ho and
it's just interesting that
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it was there in the midst
of what I felt was our dream
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being realized that we
were introduced to Christianity
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and specifically
the Adventist message...
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So, just as you
were crossing over,
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you got introduced into
the Adventist message...
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How did that happen?
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Well, I went to college
in Virginia State University
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and when we got our
record deal, my younger brother,
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myself and two of our good
friends... we were part of this
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four-man group... but
we had a large entourage,
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who were also made up of groups,
it was about 3 or 4 groups
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of us and when we got our
record deal, it was like the
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opening wedge for the
others to follow in our steps
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and we were going to, like
kind of, provide a platform
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you know, for them to
secure record deals...
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so we kind of all left
school together and went up to
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New York City and it was
there that we were introduced
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through a mutual friend,
and at this time, we didn't even
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I had never even heard
of the term Adventist...
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so one night we were all,
sitting around talking about
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The New World Order
and The Mark of the Beast
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and we had no clue
what we were talking about
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we were just... we had gotten
to this place where it was like
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the end thing, if you will,
to, you know, to talk about
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conspiracy theories
and the Mark of the Beast,
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and the New World
Order and how they are after
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the black man
and... Say again...
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You guys were sitting
around and philosophizing
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without having any foundation...
Yeah... we had no clue
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we had no clue what we were
talking about so, this young man
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as we were
speaking, he just asked us
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"So, hey, what day do
you think the Sabbath is?"
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and, you know, I remember
thinking, "What an off-the-wall
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question...," like, you
know, we are here talking about
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the Mark of the Beast and
about New World Order stuff
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and here this guy is...
and we had just met him,
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he was like 19 at that
time and we were like 20, 21...
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we were all
young adults. Right...
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And we're like, you know,
"Sunday... everybody knows that
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the Sabbath is on Sunday,
what kind of question is that?"
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And then he asked us...
He said, "What day is the
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Sabbath on?" and we were like...
"The seventh Day... you know
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that's obvious... "
and he was like, he said,
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"What day is
Saturday? What day is Sunday?"
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and we were like...
"The seventh day... "
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and then, he was
like... "What day is Saturday?"
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and we were
like, "The seventh day"
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We had just never thought
about it before... I mean,
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the math... When he
asked us those questions
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we were like "Wait a minute
something is not adding up here"
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And from that point on,
I mean, it was just like
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something clicked and I
was like "Now, wait a minute...
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how did that happen?"
And then, "Sunday is actually
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the first day of the week,
Saturday is the end of the week,
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so how does that
happen?" and it turned into...
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like a four-hour
Bible Study that night...
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with like 30 of
us... Ah... I love it...
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Now was this young man,
was he... a part of the...
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one of the groups that
wanted to get a record deal?
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No, no, no, we had just met
him, he was living in New York
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we had all come up from
Virginia I was, like I said,
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born in Jamaica and
raised up in New York but then
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ended up going to college in
Virginia so I was coming back
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to New York and most of the
guys were from New York as well,
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but this young man
was living in New York
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and was a friend of one
of our friends so we were
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all really just meeting him...
I see... and so you guys were
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just kind of hanging out
and shooting the breeze and
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philosophizing about
Mark of the Beast and all that
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and here this guy,
just tumbles your world...
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rocks your world by asking you
about which day is the Sabbath.
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Yeah, yeah... And
really that question
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shouldn't have even mattered to
us because we weren't going to
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church and we knew very
little about the Bible...
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but for some reason, it was
like stumbling upon something
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that was like...
"Wait a minute...
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everyone we know goes
to church on Sunday...
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what do you mean... the
Sabbath is on Saturday?"
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and that question
led to another question,
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led to another question...
four-hour Bible study
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and from that night on, everyday
we would study the Bible
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every day... and he had
shared with us in particular
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the prophecy of Daniel Chapter
7 which, you know, talks about
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these beasts coming up
out of the sea and how these
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nations would
overthrow one another...
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coming down to our very
day and so that just totally
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intrigued me and learning
that prophecy really changed
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a whole lot for me... to
the point where I started
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giving Bible studies
before I knew anything else...
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Like I would just give
people Bible studies on Daniel 7
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I knew nothing else about
the Bible but it so hit me
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I memorized that chapter
and when people would say
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"Hey, can I get a Bible study?"
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and I'd, you know, because
I was in the music industry...
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it was very easy for me
to give Bible studies...
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and so, I'd give these
Bible studies and they'd say,
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"When can we have another one?"
and I wouldn't have another one,
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I'd be like, "Give me another
six weeks and I'll get stuff
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that I can share. " and so...
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That's
awesome... so... isn't it...
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God is just so off-the-chain,
the way He does things...
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He accomplishes so
much with one move...
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Look at what He
did... He brought in
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a peer... to talk to you...
because you would probably
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have received it
better from the peer,
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brought in a peer to talk to you
and then quickened your spirit
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and gave you this
passion, for the Word
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and gave you... you had
already some credibility
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because you were in the music
business, so you had a little
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credibility there and so
people were going to listen
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to what you had to say,
and He gave you that passion
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for prophecy...
Yeah, yeah, yeah...
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Okay, so what happened then?
Well, you know, actually it was
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we ended up becoming
baptized into the church
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and when I say "we"... I
mean there were at least...
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I would say, maybe somewhere
between 15 and 20 of us
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that as a result
of that conversation
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and what happened afterward...
were eventually baptized
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into the church...
including my younger brother
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who is now a minister as well.
So, it's amazing, Yvonne, when I
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think back, it was, you know...
when we learned that he was an
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Adventist, we were like,
we're coming to church with you
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this Sabbath... so
like 20 of us, dread-locked,
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gum-chewing and sagging,
you know, just rolled up
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in the church and the
looks on the people's faces!
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it was a small church too
and the people were like...
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we were just so excited to
be there we didn't, you know,
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we didn't even notice
that people were looking at us
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like that... Yeah, yeah...
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And anything the Pastor
said, we were like literally
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losing our minds... we were
like "What! he just talked about
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tithe... what! we've
got to warn the world,
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"Pay your tithe!" you
know, I mean anything...
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literally anything
that came out of his mouth,
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we were just blown
away! I love it... because,
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it's like giving
water to a thirsty soul...
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Yeah, yes... You know, it's...
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your souls were being watered,
this is what you were looking
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for and hadn't been
able to find Yeah...
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Now, let me ask you something
because a lot of young people
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need to know this...
as you were embracing
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Biblical concepts,
what was going on with you
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as you were trying to
perform... I would imagine that
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at some point, you had
like a little, what they call...
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cognitive
dissonance, where, you know,
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you knew what was right
but then you were performing
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so... you had a clash,
tell us a little bit about that
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because I am sure you had
something like that happen.
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Yeah... well initially we
were so excited... we decided
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that we were going to put
the three angels' messages
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into our hip-hop
music. Oh... Okay
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So, we would be in the
clubs and, you know, we would
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have backpacks when we performed
and like military backpacks...
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so we'd be performing,
we'd have these backpacks on
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and then we would
stop and we would say
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something like... you know...
"Who wants to know who the man
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of sin is? throw
your hands in the air...
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and everybody would like...
throw their hands in the air...
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and then, we would
take, out of our backpacks,
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the book, The Great Controversy
and start throwing it out
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in the audience... and
the people were diving for
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the books... they had no clue
what they were diving for...
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but it's just because
it was coming from us,
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and, you know, I
mean, that's what's...
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And I'd like to say is that
God... in times of ignorance
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He winks... Yes...
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So He was doing a lot of
winking... you know like,
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"Angels, just go bless
them, just go... " Ohhhhh...
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You know, we were
honest, we were sincere,
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Yes... and I say that, you know,
00:15:23.65\00:15:27.29
because we... I
know better now...
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than I did then and I
believe that God blessed us then
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in our ignorance... Of
course, because God meets us
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where we are... Exactly...
00:15:36.66\00:15:38.34
...and He knows where
you are going to be...
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Exactly... But where
you are at that point,
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you wanted to witness,
even through the hip-hop realm,
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you wanted to witness...
so you guys were tossing out
00:15:47.29\00:15:51.92
the Great
Controversies at the Club...
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Yeah, Yvonne, it's
funny because we would even
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warn people to get out of the
Clubs and we would say things
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like "What are you doing in the
Clubs.. this is the Babylon... "
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and we are in the Clubs warning
people to get out of the Clubs
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and, you know, I think a pivotal
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point came for me
because I remember one night
00:16:12.90\00:16:15.38
I was just wondering
"Lord, you know, we're warning
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these people, you know,
about their lifestyle and
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what they are doing and,
you know, all this stuff" and
00:16:21.22\00:16:23.93
what if God came back
on a Friday night, you know
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on a Sabbath when they were
in the Clubs... and I don't know
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what we were thinking...
but it's like God said to me,
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"You cannot call
people out of Babylon,
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if you are a part
of Babylon yourself. "
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Come on, come on...
... And that realization
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I mean that was the beginning of
actually both my brother and I
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making a final decision to
come out of the Industry...
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That is what
actually kicked it off...
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Isn't that...
that's that's amazing...
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God knows
exactly when to do that,
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He is just so incredible...
and I praise the Lord
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that you obeyed and responded
so you came out at that point
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you and your brothers
came out at that point
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and what did your friends think?
When you left, when you left
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the music industry,
what did they think?
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Well, it was a process that
led us to come out... I mean...
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after I heard that,
you know, I was still like,
00:17:21.92\00:17:24.83
yeah, but maybe He
could use me in the Industry
00:17:24.87\00:17:27.71
and maybe I can be
a blessing to others
00:17:27.75\00:17:29.81
by doing this... you
know, I can reach people in here
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that I couldn't reach out there,
you know all the reasoning's
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that would be typical of,
you know, self-justification of
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why I should stay in this
Industry and make money...
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Yes... ... and,
you know, ultimately
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through studying the Bible
and especially studying the
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Spirit of Prophecy and just
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really praying... asking God,
God what would you have me to do
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you know, He showed me
that light and darkness
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cannot dwell together...
and that if I am going to call
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people out of something,
out of error, out of darkness,
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I had to come out of it
myself, and He also showed me,
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you know, Babylon will
not and does not respect
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and when I say Babylon,
I use that term, you know,
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in a world-wide
sense... it does not respect
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the kind of
Christianity that compromises...
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and so, you know, I am in
the Industry and we are here
00:18:31.18\00:18:36.82
trying to talk about
Jesus, but people are like,
00:18:36.85\00:18:38.76
"Yeah, but, you know, I
know you're talking about Jesus,
00:18:38.80\00:18:41.16
but it's not really REAL
because you're still here...
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That is so true, and that's
a point that we really need to
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look at for a minute too because
the fact that the world doesn't
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really respect your
still being in it...
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Yeah... ... even
if you are trying to
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shine a
light... shine THE light,
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if you're still a part of it,
you haven't made any sacrifices,
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Yeah, yeah... ... you
know, so you still want
00:19:07.26\00:19:09.19
what Babylon offers but
you cloak it with spirituality,
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Absolutely, absolutely...
... and people see through that
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they see through
that... Absolutely, yeah...
00:19:15.52\00:19:16.99
So once you came to that
realization and accepted that
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and then internalized
it, what did you do?
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Well, you know, I
realized that I had to make some
00:19:23.51\00:19:26.96
serious changes...
like the Lord said,
00:19:26.99\00:19:28.54
"You're going to follow
me, you need to follow me... "
00:19:28.57\00:19:31.19
and, you know, that
meant that I had to change
00:19:31.22\00:19:34.40
the way that I walked,
because I walked with that limp,
00:19:34.44\00:19:37.11
you know, that street limp,
I had to change the way that
00:19:37.14\00:19:39.77
I talked... you know,
the slang that I used,
00:19:39.81\00:19:42.20
I mean, everything had to
change about me so that people
00:19:42.24\00:19:46.04
could see that there was actual
change going on within me...
00:19:46.07\00:19:49.84
and that I wasn't just talking
but there were corresponding
00:19:49.87\00:19:53.91
fruits... and I'll tell you...
it's easy to talk Christianity
00:19:53.95\00:19:57.95
because people in the
Industry do it all the time...
00:19:57.98\00:20:01.49
it's another thing to
actually pick up your cross
00:20:01.53\00:20:05.01
and follow Christ...
and God... Absolutely...
00:20:05.04\00:20:07.94
When I made the decision
to walk away from an almost
00:20:07.97\00:20:10.98
million dollar contract, which,
you know, today it's nothing
00:20:11.02\00:20:14.29
but back then it was
something.. especially for me...
00:20:14.32\00:20:16.71
a college kid that, you
know, dropped out of college
00:20:16.75\00:20:19.55
to do this... when I made
that decision to walk away...
00:20:19.58\00:20:23.04
that's when people were like...
"OK, this guy is serious. "
00:20:23.08\00:20:26.51
Before then... people
were like "Oh, yeah, you know,
00:20:26.54\00:20:28.92
we had an idea you were
Christian," but they didn't
00:20:28.95\00:20:31.71
take me seriously... they
didn't take me seriously...
00:20:31.74\00:20:34.46
they didn't take what I
was saying too seriously...
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When I did that..
people started listening...
00:20:36.95\00:20:40.66
and I remember God... I
asked God... I was like...
00:20:40.70\00:20:44.34
"God, you know, if you take
me from behind this microphone,
00:20:44.37\00:20:47.76
please put me behind
another where I will be able to
00:20:47.79\00:20:50.81
reach people... "
Because I just felt like,
00:20:50.85\00:20:53.25
you know, this is
where the stage is at...
00:20:53.29\00:20:55.66
if I get rid of this
stage, "What's going to happen?
00:20:55.69\00:20:57.93
How am I going to reach people?"
and I made a decision to walk
00:20:57.96\00:21:01.34
away from the Industry...
not thinking I am going to
00:21:01.37\00:21:04.35
be a pastor... like that
wasn't on my radar at all,
00:21:04.38\00:21:07.92
because, I just wasn't
thinking that, you know,
00:21:07.96\00:21:10.55
What does it take to be a
pastor? you probably have to go
00:21:10.59\00:21:13.23
to school, I had no clue on
what on it took to be a pastor,
00:21:13.27\00:21:16.77
so I dropped out of the Music,
my brother and I actually went
00:21:16.80\00:21:20.27
to work at Target making... I
think like $5.50 or $6 an hour
00:21:20.30\00:21:28.74
and my thought was just,
"Well, maybe I'll work my way up
00:21:28.77\00:21:33.07
the Target ladder and, you know,
eventually move from, you know,
00:21:33.11\00:21:37.20
unloading boxes to maybe
being a Manager, like, you know,
00:21:37.23\00:21:40.84
that was just what
I was thinking like,
00:21:40.87\00:21:42.34
I don't know what
I'm going to do now,
00:21:42.38\00:21:43.94
but I am
definitely not doing that...
00:21:43.98\00:21:45.48
and there were series of events,
the Lord opened up the doors
00:21:45.51\00:21:49.72
and has given me
an audience that,
00:21:49.75\00:21:54.42
you know, rivals and, I think,
surpasses what I was doing
00:21:54.46\00:21:59.92
in the Music Industry...
Look at God... and how He...
00:21:59.96\00:22:05.39
and I say this on Urban Report
all the time, that God has a
00:22:05.43\00:22:09.84
divine plan for us and
that if we seek Him and find out
00:22:09.87\00:22:14.25
"What is that plan, what is
it that you want me to do... "
00:22:14.28\00:22:18.39
He will bless us beyond measure,
and when you are walking in
00:22:18.43\00:22:22.50
that plan... there is nothing
more fulfilling than that,
00:22:22.54\00:22:26.10
Absolutely... So
you get a twofer...
00:22:26.13\00:22:27.83
you're being obedient,
but you are also being blessed
00:22:27.86\00:22:31.20
because through being obedient,
there are blessings beyond
00:22:31.24\00:22:35.73
measure... Yeah, yeah...
00:22:35.77\00:22:37.49
I remember, you know, that I
had people... friends, family
00:22:37.52\00:22:43.16
saying, "What are you
doing?" you know, you can have
00:22:43.19\00:22:45.85
such an influence if you
just stayed in the Industry
00:22:45.88\00:22:48.82
and ministered that way...
and, I was like, you know what?
00:22:48.85\00:22:53.60
you guys don't understand, like,
you know, for me to do this,
00:22:53.64\00:22:58.35
is to lose my soul... you
know, the preaching of the
00:22:58.39\00:23:03.30
three angels' message is so
diametrically opposed to the
00:23:03.34\00:23:08.22
world that... the
world will not give you an
00:23:08.26\00:23:12.46
avenue to really
preach that message...
00:23:12.50\00:23:14.42
That's right... So
if you are comfortable
00:23:14.45\00:23:16.33
in Hollywood, if
you are comfortable
00:23:16.68\00:23:18.90
in the Industry and, you know,
"Hey, I'm preaching the message"
00:23:18.94\00:23:23.17
but you're in the
Industry, something's not right,
00:23:23.20\00:23:26.49
like, you can't be in a dark
room... and the room be lit up
00:23:26.53\00:23:30.57
at the same time...
Come on, come on now...
00:23:30.61\00:23:33.07
That doesn't happen,
where there is light,
00:23:33.10\00:23:35.80
darkness is
opposed to it, it hates it,
00:23:35.83\00:23:38.49
and, you know, I know, because,
as I was in the Industry
00:23:38.53\00:23:43.68
and as I began to put
in my lyrics... you know,
00:23:43.72\00:23:48.03
in my rhyming...
things that were becoming too
00:23:48.07\00:23:52.31
spiritual... the Industry
started saying something...
00:23:52.34\00:23:54.99
"Hey, calm down, now, you
are getting a little bit too
00:23:55.03\00:23:57.64
spiritual... " and
that's when I realized,
00:23:57.67\00:23:59.04
"You know what...
Babylon will only allow you to
00:23:59.08\00:24:01.35
say so much and
to do so much... "
00:24:01.39\00:24:03.87
That is so true...
and I see it all the time,
00:24:03.91\00:24:07.56
you see it on the
Grammy Awards, for example,
00:24:07.59\00:24:10.58
where if an artist says,
"I want to thank God... "
00:24:10.61\00:24:13.65
everybody is
cool... it's OK, you know,
00:24:13.68\00:24:15.87
you can call a tree
God... and everybody goes...
00:24:15.90\00:24:19.20
"Oh, it's OK... " But
if you say, "Jesus Christ"
00:24:19.24\00:24:22.50
Bam! there is...
Jesus Christ is that...
00:24:22.54\00:24:25.88
that offence... to
the world, Yeah, yeah...
00:24:25.92\00:24:29.23
and so... it's an
amazing thing they don't...
00:24:29.27\00:24:33.31
be a little spiritual...
but don't be too spiritual,
00:24:33.34\00:24:37.05
and certainly, don't profess
to be Christian and to live by
00:24:37.09\00:24:40.90
the Bible... then you're
really looked at as "Strange"
00:24:40.93\00:24:44.29
Absolutely... and as
Adventists, you know,
00:24:44.32\00:24:47.27
we have a very
specific message, Yes...
00:24:47.30\00:24:50.18
and you cannot preach that
message... share that message,
00:24:50.21\00:24:54.90
you know... some
people talk about Daniel,
00:24:54.93\00:24:56.25
how Daniel was in Babylon
but he was still a witness,
00:24:56.28\00:24:59.16
you know, a couple of things
Daniel was there by force...
00:24:59.20\00:25:01.95
not by choice... he
was taken captive...
00:25:01.99\00:25:05.58
and Daniel's... you
can see how the Babylonians
00:25:05.61\00:25:09.21
treated Daniel...
just look... they threw him
00:25:09.25\00:25:12.17
in the Lion's Den...
they tried to get him to stop
00:25:12.20\00:25:15.19
doing... in other words,
00:25:15.23\00:25:16.26
they did not like...
they didn't praise Daniel
00:25:16.29\00:25:19.15
in any way, shape or form,
because of what he stood for...
00:25:19.18\00:25:22.69
they hated him, they
wanted to get rid of him...
00:25:22.73\00:25:25.21
That's right... They
did not embrace him...
00:25:25.24\00:25:27.65
and Daniel was such a
powerful witness in Babylon,
00:25:27.68\00:25:31.48
against his will of
being captive there...
00:25:31.52\00:25:34.14
he actually converted
the King of Babylon...
00:25:34.17\00:25:39.17
Isn't that awesome?
So, I mean, if, if, yeah,
00:25:39.21\00:25:44.17
if we are actually doing
what God's wanting us to do,
00:25:44.21\00:25:47.55
then, there's going to
be conversions taking place,
00:25:47.58\00:25:50.89
and you're not going to be liked
you're going to be persecuted,
00:25:50.93\00:25:56.02
and not embraced and
so... I realized that, you know,
00:25:56.06\00:26:00.33
the Lord did not want me
to voluntarily put myself
00:26:00.37\00:26:03.85
in Babylon... in that
Industry and He called me out
00:26:03.88\00:26:07.33
and has, I believe,
blessed my ministry,
00:26:07.37\00:26:13.12
which I didn't even
know I was going to have,
00:26:13.15\00:26:15.28
but He blessed that ministry,
above and beyond what I could
00:26:15.31\00:26:20.31
have possibly imagined...
He would have done for me.
00:26:20.35\00:26:23.22
Praise the
Lord... Praise the Lord...
00:26:23.26\00:26:25.97
Tell us briefly, because
we only have about a minute...
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Wow!
00:26:28.40\00:26:29.45
Tell us... I know... the
time has just flown by...
00:26:29.48\00:26:31.54
there's so much
more I could ask you,
00:26:31.57\00:26:33.03
but, tell us about... I
keep getting it confused,
00:26:33.07\00:26:35.72
Bible Arme Camp
or Arme Bible Camp?
00:26:35.76\00:26:38.07
Arme Bible Camp... What is that?
00:26:38.11\00:26:40.35
Arme Bible Camp is one of
the ministries that God has
00:26:40.38\00:26:43.72
blessed me with...
and has given me a team
00:26:43.76\00:26:49.54
of people that have pulled
this together, essentially, that
00:26:49.57\00:26:53.64
that the ministry is
about teaching people how to get
00:26:53.68\00:26:57.03
into the Word of
God for themselves...
00:26:57.07\00:26:59.40
how to get into the
deeper things of the Bible...
00:26:59.44\00:27:01.87
and how to equip
themselves and arm themselves...
00:27:01.90\00:27:04.30
hence the name: Arm
Me... Oh... Arm Me...
00:27:04.33\00:27:08.75
Absolutely... Oh, thank you...
00:27:08.78\00:27:11.73
And we've traveled around
the world and we put on camps
00:27:11.77\00:27:13.91
around the world
so... that's what we are...
00:27:13.94\00:27:16.08
we are a traveling school...
teaching people how to be
00:27:16.11\00:27:18.65
armed with the Word of
God... That's incredible...
00:27:18.68\00:27:21.24
that's incredible...
Thank you so much for being with
00:27:21.28\00:27:23.80
us today... You
are such a blessing...
00:27:23.84\00:27:26.26
Thank you Yvonne,
thank you for having me and
00:27:26.29\00:27:28.57
I wish we could have had more
time to talk but praise God...
00:27:28.60\00:27:33.05
Praise God... and so
when you come to 3abn
00:27:33.08\00:27:36.32
to do some more taping, you
have to let me interview you
00:27:36.35\00:27:39.56
in person again... Absolutely...
00:27:39.59\00:27:41.47
Praise the Lord... Thank you...
00:27:41.51\00:27:43.32
Thank you... Well,
once again, our time has
00:27:43.36\00:27:46.33
slipped away from
us... where does it go?
00:27:46.36\00:27:48.97
Thanks so much for tuning
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