One of the tenets of hip-hop
culture is knowledge of self.
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My guests today were immersed in
that world and have abandoned it
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for their perspective of
the true knowledge of self...
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Stay tuned to hear all about
it. My name is Yvonne Lewis
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and you are
watching Urban Report...
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Hello, and
welcome to Urban Report...
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My guests today are
Dwayne Lemon and Lance Wilbur...
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hosts of Dare to Dream's
new program on hip-hop...
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TKS... True Knowledge of Self...
I went to the set of this
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outstanding new program, here's
what they told me, take a look..
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So if you are a regular viewer
of Urban Report, you know that
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one of my favorite things to
do is to interview the hosts on
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their sets.. and I am so excited
because we have a new program
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that's coming out on Dare
to Dream.. it is called TKS
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True Knowledge of Self,
and today, we have the hosts,
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the co-hosts here
with us on Urban Report...
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I'd like to welcome
Dwayne Lemon and Lance Wilbur...
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You guys, first of all, I
have to tell you, you know,
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I had you on several
months ago, and we talked about,
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just your background... and
we're going to get into that
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in a little bit, and from when
I met you, I met you at ASI...
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Yeah... and often
with Dare to Dream,
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often the Lord impresses me as
to who should host a program..
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Like He'll just lay on my heart,
"Ask them to do a program or ask
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this person to do a
program," well, after I met you,
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one of my burdens has
been hip-hop... and, and, and
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the effect that it's had
on the urban community...
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and communities around
the world, I mean, not just
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urban community...
just life period...
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It has tremendously impacted
society and so when I met
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you two, the Lord laid on
my heart that you should host a
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program for Dare to Dream...
and I interviewed you before...
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and now, we have taped several
programs for Dare to Dream,
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TKS... True Knowledge of Self...
and so, let me just tell you,
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how excited I am about
what I see God doing in you...
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Amen... One of the things that,
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I've noticed is that you
have a tremendous knowledge of
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scripture... and that
you go from topic to topic,
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from scripture to scripture,
linking them together,
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that is such a gift from
the Holy Spirit, how long have
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you been studying the Word?
Both of you... Brother Dwayne...
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Well, for myself, you know, I
came in contact with the Bible
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twenty years ago, and it was
when I started to read the Bible
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and, and, and really look at it
at first, it was a foreign book,
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I didn't really understand
it, but then, of course, through
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prayer, good
mentorship, some study helps...
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I found that a book that
normally was confusing could
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become very simple to understand
and easy, by the grace of God,
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to practice, and therefore,
it's been twenty years now,
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that I've been studying...
because as soon as I heard
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this message and joined this
movement, I began to share with
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everybody and I've literally
been sharing for twenty years...
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Ahh... so I think
anything you share
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for twenty years, hopefully,
you'll understand it pretty well
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Yes, yes... what
about you Brother Lance
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For myself, it's been about
thirteen, fourteen years...
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I spent about, probably six
months or so studying the Bible,
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vigorously before I actually
became baptized, so I was
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baptized in the year 2000, and
so, it's, it's been awhile...
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Yeah, and so, you both have
just kind of delved into it...
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you're not surface
guys, neither of you, and the
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chemistry between the two
of you is so good... you know,
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Brother Lance is all serious,
but, you know, he smiles,
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but he is serious...
...That's right, that's right...
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and you Brother Dwayne, you
know you're animated and between
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the two of you... you
just reflect such a powerful
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statement for God. Tell
us a little bit about your
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background... for those who
didn't see the previous program,
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in which I interviewed you,
I want both of you to just kind
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of give us a synopsis
of your background and why,
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why can you host a
program on hip-hop...
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Well, for myself, I grew up
in Queens, New York, you know,
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lower to middle-class family...
and in growing up in Queens,
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New York, there was no religion
in the home at all, mom and dad
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were not terrible people,
at least from the way society
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would define it, they were
considered hard-working people,
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they were good people...
but, there was no worship,
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church attendance, nothing
like that, and my father was a
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hard-working man, he was a
painter, and that's what he
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did as a profession, he
was self employed, but then,
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my mother was a Corporate
woman, in the World Trade Center
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and, you know, she did her
Corporate administrative work
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there, and I guess, with them
both having their careers...
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being busy, I am the youngest
of eight, so I found myself
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Eight... Oh yeah,
youngest of eight...
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Wow, and you're the
youngest... I am the youngest...
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They call you baby...
Oh, of course, and you know,
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it's like, my brothers
and my sisters, four brothers,
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three sisters... they all came
from a different relationship...
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my father was married to another
woman before my mother and
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she died... and then he met
my mother... and then my mother,
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took all seven of my siblings
as her own, but I was the one
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that was born
through my mother's womb...
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and therefore, I am number eight
so, you know, there was a gap in
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age, for the most part,
except for my brother, Vernon,
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and Vernon and I, we were
only about two years apart,
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and we were the closest,
I would say, of everybody,
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Vernon and I would get into
everything, from video games,
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to movies, to hanging out
with friends on the street or
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whatever and just doing whatever
felt natural and whatever
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was good. All my siblings were
musical, at least the majority
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of them, especially on the
male side... my brother Leslie
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was really talented in several
instruments, my brother Vernon
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was an excellent drummer,
and my father was even a
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jazz musician.. he was a
drummer too, so, lots and lots
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of music, but for myself,
there wasn't any type of musical
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talent per se, but when music
would come on, I found that my
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feet would involuntarily move.
So it was at a very young age
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that I started to realize
that dancing was something
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that I responded to
music very well too... and at a
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young age, I started dancing
every time music would come on..
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and we were a very musical
family, so lots of rhythm and
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blues... if there was gospel,
it was more of an up-tempo kind
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not so much a "churchy
kind" there was a music style
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called funk... and, you
know, that was kind of like an
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amalgamation of jazz and
rock 'n roll and just a lot
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of things mixed together
but it had a really good beat,
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so, you know, again it
was easy to dance to...
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so this is what I grew up doing,
and I did it obviously to try
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to get a little bit of attention
I didn't feel like I got a lot
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of attention... Were
you the only dancer in
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the family?
Only... I've never seen my
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siblings, my mother or...
oh well actually mother did do
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a few dance steps, maybe
I did get a little something
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from mom, yeah, but for the
most part, I was a dancer...
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in fact, I was the entertainment
like we loved doing barbecues
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loved doing barbecues...
so if we had a barbecue in our
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backyard, I was the
entertainment, I mean,
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my father would call me from
wherever I was, "Hey, Dwayne,
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come out here boy... "
The next thing you know,
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I am out there dancing,
and everybody is clapping
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their hands, and I am just...
I am feeding off of that...
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I'm loving that, you
know, it made me feel important
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at that time... Yes, yes...
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So, you were again, kind
of immersed from an early age,
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into music and
dance... Oh yeah...
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and when did you get
really wrapped up in hip-hop?
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Oh, well, again, when you look
at funk music, it definitely had
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the tones and sounds and the
rhythms that are connected with
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hip-hop, Clinton, George
Clinton he was one of the people
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that was very heavy into
funk and he was one of those big
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names out there and he was
always one that would kind of
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do certain kind of
rhyming, things of that nature,
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so, as I listened to him
through the records that my
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brothers would play, eventually
you start watching some of these
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major networks on television
where they play a lot of
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music videos, then, of course,
I am watching the music videos,
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I am seeing this and I am,
like, "Oh, I am loving this,"
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so I am hearing the
music, I am hearing the beats,
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I am hearing the rhythms
and I am loving that and then,
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of course, you see
all that comes with it...
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the dress, you know, the
way you walk, the way you talk,
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everything, so I got attracted
to this, it was beautiful to me
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at that time because I didn't
really have anything to compare
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it to, to call it bad, first
of all, and it appealed to me
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naturally, so I found myself
getting very much into it,
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and then, of course, when I got
a little older, in my teenage
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years, mom and dad started
giving me freedom, they would
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let me go to house parties,
and then we would go to the
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house parties, the music
would play, you're dancing,
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and before you know it, I
mean, I am locked into this
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thing on hip-hop culture now.
And it's interesting that you
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would say, you know, it's the
way you talk, the way you dress,
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the music, so it's
not just the music...
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That's right... Hip
hop is not just the music,
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I think we need to make
that clear, what about your
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background? Well, I
grew up in Massachusetts
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right outside of Boston,
you know, kind of in and out of
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the city growing up, it
was a single-parent home,
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bi-racial home, my mother
was a nurse, middle-class poor
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pretty much all the way through,
and there were a lot of problems
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in the home, a lot of domestic
violence and my father was
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in and out of the
scene, nevertheless, you know,
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you're growing up,
that's your life and, you know,
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it gets to a point where
you think that it's normal,
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my little brother, he was
about eight years, so that was
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pretty much all that was in
the home, I had half-sisters
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scattered around
in different places,
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There's eight years difference
between you and your brother?
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Yes between me and my little
brother, so he's basically
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a little baby, you know, we're
kind of... there was a gap there
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Right, right... So, I
am not really growing up
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it's almost like I am a
single, you know, child.
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Yes, yes... So,
there was, you know,
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one thing that constantly
you gravitated towards
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there were a lot of parties,
as a little kid, I remember
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going to parties and all
kinds of craziness that I saw
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as a little child, but music
is always there, my father had a
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massive record collection
and you know, twelve-inch and
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my mother had the records
and music was constantly playing
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in the home. You're cleaning...
music, washing dishes... music,
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you know, you're sitting
around... music, and then,
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you know, as TV-Cable
comes out, you have, you know,
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different networks...
major networks coming out
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and just playing these videos...
we've never seen anything
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like that before, Yeah...
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And now you are getting exposed
to all these different kinds of
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music from different places
and then hip-hop is coming
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from that range, and then
there's also the early records
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you know, Sugar Hill Gang
and the different groups...
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Right... that were
kind of playing around
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with these fusions of different
sounds and rhyming and all that
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and the concept of the Emcee and
Deejay, so I'm hearing all these
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things... we had local groups
in the Boston area that became
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popular... New Edition
and things like that...
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so, that's all coming
into play, as I get older.
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Eventually... moving
around a lot, and we moved
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to one section of town and
I'm going now, transferring
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into Junior High, and
had a new group of friends,
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it's a rougher area,
neighborhood, and met some
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individuals that had come
out from New York, and one was
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associated with Zulu Nation
and one associated with the
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Five Percent nation, and they
are bringing now these names
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and these artists that I
hadn't quite heard before,
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you know, I'd heard
Run-DMCs, Elementary School,
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and Beastie Boys and
Def-Jam and Early Years,
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but I now get exposed to late
80's early 90's, getting exposed
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to these new genre, like
a whole 'nother generation,
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and now the lyrics are way more
complex, it's not just routine
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rhymes and things like
that, so I began to become
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infatuated with the lyrical
content and the Emcee and
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I just began, just
almost studying it, you know,
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I almost went to school
and college studying Emcee,
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so I just couldn't
stop... couldn't get enough...
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constantly injesting and
digesting and comparing and
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contrasting and listening,
memorizing the lyrics and just
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falling in love with the
art, in that side of hip-hop.
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Yeah, and both of you, it
sounds as though both of you,
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just immersed yourselves
into the whole culture...
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Yeah... oh, yeah... You
know, from listening to the
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music to wearing the clothes, to
adopting the various lifestyles,
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and the things that other
people urbanites did in hip-hop
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genre... Yeah, oh yes...
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So, okay, so back to
you Brother Lance, so, okay,
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we got you dancing... how
did you take that into a career?
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Well, basically, there was
an unfortunate fight that took
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place at my high school,
and when that took place,
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I was blamed for it, even though
I didn't do it, and my parents
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got wind of it because some
of the people who were involved
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in that fight were part
of a major gang in that time,
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in Brooklyn, New York, and
they were calling my house,
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they got my phone numbers
somehow and they called my
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house and told my mother
and father that they were going
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to kill me. Long story short,
I became a high school dropout.
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My parents said, "We are
not going to let you go back
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to school. " So I had to figure
out some way to make money,
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and to try to get some type of
future for myself, so I didn't
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have any skills, or
trades or anything like that,
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but I knew how to dance.
So, I started going to the clubs
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in Manhattan and in Manhattan
you have a lot of auditions,
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you just start hearing about
it, once you go to the clubs,
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Did you know that Queen Latifah,
did you know Busta Rhymes is
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having an audition? and
as I found out about that,
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I would start going... I
would say, "Give me the address,
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tell me what time"
and then I would go ahead,
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because I figured, look if I am
watching the videos, why can't
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I be in the videos? Somebody
else was in it, and therefore
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how can I get in... Come
on, come on... now you were
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daring the dream... although,
albeit, the dream was kind of
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off, but, you know, you
were willing to take a risk,
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Oh yeah... ... to
achieve what you wanted
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to achieve, which is a great
attribute, it just has to be
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channeled just right...
That's right, that's right...
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How did you get really
immersed in it, how did you move
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into the profession?
Yeah, so now as I get older,
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again, you start doing more
and more things... I was always
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bigger than all my
peers, so I always hung around
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with age groups above me, so,
you know, when I'm 6, 7, 8 years
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old, I am hanging
around with 15, 16 year olds,
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when I'm 10, I'm hanging
around 18, 19, 20, 23 early 20's
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so that was always the
case growing up, and now as I am
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getting older, I'm saying,
"Well, yeah there's a little
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more to it than just playing
ball outside or running around,
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now you go to parties,
you start going to parties,
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oh now, there's alcohol
at the parties, now I see...
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I remember now my childhood,
going to the parties as a little
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kid and kind of, you know,
going to the back room with the
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rest of the kids and parents are
there doing all that craziness
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you observe and you know,
sipping alcohol as a little kid,
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four and five years old,
trying alcohol from your parents
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I don't know, I guess,
everybody doesn't do that,
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anyway, that was my experience,
so now, I am doing it, outright,
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I am going on my own,
and going to these parties,
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and I have access to the alcohol
and the drugs and the weed
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and all that stuff, so I began
doing it from 10 years old...
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drinking, smoking,
smoking cigarettes, and then it
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became kind of a weekend
and summer thing, and then
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at 11, 12 years old, it becomes
just an everyday thing...
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and so that becomes now my
lifestyle and it's all immersed
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you know, in the hip-hop,
there's different groups and
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different little groups
you hang around with and you
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cross paths with them at parties
but eventually I am gravitating
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towards that hip-hop culture
because I don't just appreciate
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the sound of it, I
appreciate every aspect of it,
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the look of it, you
know, just every aspect,
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I want to live that way, I
want to adopt that culture...
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So what I am hearing from
both of you... is that you just
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immersed yourselves into the
culture of hip-hop and one of
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the things we want to look
at in the last moments of this
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program is... we
want to examine what TKS
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is going to talk about...
what is your program going to do
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for the person that is immersed
as you were in hip-hop culture..
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What is it going to do?
why should they watch it?
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Because of the fact that hip-hop
culture deals with more than
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music... it deals with an
entire lifestyle, philosophy,
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and way of thinking which we
can summarize in what many of
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the great leaders in hip-hop
today call "Knowledge of Self"
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we have discovered
through our experiences and then
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in encountering Christ that
this is an actual counterfeit...
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it is something that does
not give me a faithful or true
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knowledge of myself... it
gives me a false knowledge...
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because it tries to
present me as something that
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I'm really not, when I
search my heart, and especially
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search the Word of God
and therefore, TKS came into
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fruition because TKS is a
counter to that showing the
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reality that, it's not
about knowledge of self,
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but it's about a true knowledge
of self... and that's why
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TKS was birthed. I
love it... what do you think
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Brother Lance? Yeah,
people have to understand
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that just like any other
culture there is a way of dress,
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a way of speaking in music,
there's also the religious
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aspects and both of us, as we
got entrenched, and we got older
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and started thinking
and considering about,
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considering philosophy, and
world views and things like this
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we started going into one
of the elements of hip-hop...
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the knowledge... you
know, Knowledge, Wisdom and
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Understanding...
that knowledge side,
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where now they are starting to
say, "Well these religions are
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false, this is the true religion
you need to know yourself,
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the true self" and we became
almost, I know, at least for me
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it was almost addictive...
you want that knowledge
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and you saw that it was
so impressive that you wanted
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to know it and you
wanted to kind of be that...
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Oh, you know, this is so
true because as I think about
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my experience in
New Age Medicine, how,
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Satan just knows how
to package it because
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the knowledge of self philosophy
is just New Age packaged for
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Black folks...
that's really what it is...
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and then, you know,
really when you think about it,
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and then there's the
Human Potential Movement
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which is, you know, packaged
for the general population...
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so, when you really think about
it, Satan wants to, if you have
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any intelligence, you
know, you love knowing things,
00:19:11.16\00:19:16.13
you love getting into what's...
what "Knowledge" is and
00:19:16.16\00:19:21.06
knowing about yourself and being
able to let other people know,
00:19:21.10\00:19:24.49
some of the things that you
know it really... it goes along
00:19:24.52\00:19:27.87
with your
pride... it really does...
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it plays into
pride... That's right...
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So what you are doing, and tell
me if this is right, with TKS,
00:19:31.87\00:19:36.13
you guys are giving...
there's a true and a counterfeit
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you're giving the
truth... That's correct...
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and that is just incredible...
so, what is your burden
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for people that are
caught up in this lifestyle?
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What is your burden for them?
My burden is that they first
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learn the truth...
Jesus meant it when he said
00:19:52.79\00:19:55.38
in John 8 and verse 32...
You shall know the truth and the
00:19:55.42\00:19:57.94
truth will make you free...
We are in bondage and this
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bondage goes beyond racial
barriers and societal issues
00:20:01.38\00:20:04.72
and the list goes on...
The greatest bondage that
00:20:04.75\00:20:06.95
God wants to free us
from is the bondage of sin...
00:20:06.98\00:20:09.14
and therefore,
Christ came with truth...
00:20:09.18\00:20:11.15
it was lies that brought sin
into the world and this truth
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is going to get it out...
and therefore, this is what my
00:20:14.11\00:20:16.67
burden is, is that people
will come to know the truth
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about the knowledge of self...
knowledge of themselves...
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a true knowledge of themselves..
realize their weaknesses,
00:20:22.15\00:20:24.84
but realize God's strength,
and its availability...
00:20:24.88\00:20:27.70
to make us strong in
Him. Ah... that's great...
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So in addition to that,
giving people the option.
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I know early on and for
many years, I didn't have a
00:20:35.20\00:20:38.78
legitimate option...
at least I perceived that
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I didn't have a choice...
you know, you feel when you are
00:20:41.60\00:20:44.49
in certain circumstances,
and maybe poverty and inner city
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you feel that you have
limited capability and potential
00:20:47.41\00:20:49.62
in options... you are
either going to do this
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or you are going to do this...
or you are going to do this...
00:20:51.42\00:20:53.85
and pretty much... that's
it. Or you are just going to
00:20:53.88\00:20:56.89
be there, and just be
nobody.. and so, giving people a
00:20:56.93\00:20:59.91
legitimate option...
God has been misrepresented,
00:20:59.94\00:21:02.68
to most of the people
in the urban communities
00:21:02.71\00:21:05.30
and there are churches out here
and all these corruption and
00:21:05.34\00:21:07.84
the scandals have
misrepresented Christianity
00:21:07.88\00:21:10.72
and the Bible truths to the
people... and so it raises up
00:21:10.75\00:21:13.74
these alternatives... that
come and say, "Oh, that's false,
00:21:13.77\00:21:15.97
and this and that... "
We want to show that the
00:21:16.00\00:21:18.19
Bible is not the one at fault...
God is not the one at fault
00:21:18.23\00:21:21.89
for these misrepresentations...
and these apparent
00:21:21.93\00:21:24.16
contradictions... that
the Bible does have answers
00:21:24.19\00:21:26.35
that can affect our everyday
life... practical knowledge...
00:21:26.38\00:21:29.91
not just abstract conceptual
philosophies but actual
00:21:29.95\00:21:34.03
things that can not
only impact your life but
00:21:34.07\00:21:36.84
dramatically change your
life and give you power to
00:21:36.88\00:21:39.18
live
successfully... That's right...
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Oh, oh, oh... you know, what you
are saying... I was thinking...
00:21:40.28\00:21:45.32
about a situation
with this young boy... and
00:21:45.36\00:21:49.80
his mother said to me,
"The thing that disturbs me,"
00:21:49.84\00:21:52.69
this was in the inner city...
inner city teenager, okay,
00:21:52.72\00:21:55.54
"... the thing that
disturbs me so much," she said,
00:21:55.57\00:21:58.40
"about my son is that he thinks
that this is all there is...
00:21:58.44\00:22:02.48
that this is the only
life that he can live...
00:22:02.52\00:22:06.23
he can expect
nothing but death or prison,"
00:22:06.26\00:22:09.94
and what you're saying
is... that you want to let
00:22:09.98\00:22:13.69
our kids and anybody that's
caught up into this kind of
00:22:13.72\00:22:17.64
philosophy... you want to
let them know that they can
00:22:17.67\00:22:20.56
dare to dream, that
there is something better,
00:22:20.59\00:22:22.93
that they have options,
and that the options that are
00:22:22.97\00:22:26.20
presented through the Word,
are really the best, for them,
00:22:26.23\00:22:31.42
to bring them the
abundant life, Yes, amen...
00:22:31.45\00:22:33.63
and so that is...
see... Oh, I can't wait for our
00:22:33.66\00:22:37.51
viewers to watch this program
because I've had the privilege
00:22:37.54\00:22:41.16
of watching you tape
it... and I am so excited about
00:22:41.20\00:22:45.76
what you are offering...
Viewer, if you know someone,
00:22:45.80\00:22:50.29
that's caught up in the hip-hop
lifestyle, make sure that you
00:22:50.33\00:22:55.19
have them tune in to TKS...
just check the website for the
00:22:55.23\00:23:00.05
schedule, and you'll
find out when we're airing...
00:23:00.09\00:23:03.05
TKS... True Knowledge of Self...
because this program is going
00:23:03.09\00:23:07.42
to be very impactful...
I know it, I know it...
00:23:07.46\00:23:11.15
so what is, with the ministry
that you guys are doing now,
00:23:11.19\00:23:15.79
tell us more about Tekoa...
What are you doing with Tekoa?
00:23:15.82\00:23:20.09
Lance, I am going to
let you speak about it...
00:23:20.12\00:23:21.96
Yeah, well Tekoa, we started out
and we're still continuing to
00:23:21.99\00:23:25.34
be a missionary training school,
and so we'd like to bring
00:23:25.37\00:23:28.65
together, young people that
are willing to commit at least
00:23:28.68\00:23:32.03
a minimum of one year of
their lives to learning basic
00:23:32.07\00:23:36.01
Bible truths, and also
learning how to witness for God,
00:23:36.05\00:23:39.96
evangelism... to actually
going to an area, particularly,
00:23:40.00\00:23:43.84
going to the cities,
and actually winning souls,
00:23:43.87\00:23:47.16
for the kingdom of
God... and not just again,
00:23:47.20\00:23:50.46
in an abstract sense
but in a practical sense...
00:23:50.49\00:23:53.61
and how can I go... if God
has called me to do His work,
00:23:53.65\00:23:56.23
and I have no credentials,
or no formal training,
00:23:56.26\00:24:01.27
and no connections to get
any job in some ministry...
00:24:01.30\00:24:06.62
can I go and do God's
work? without somebody paying me
00:24:06.65\00:24:11.89
or without somebody employing me
can I do God's work faithfully,
00:24:11.93\00:24:15.49
by God calling me and just being
equipped properly and going
00:24:15.53\00:24:19.05
out and doing it... and
we believe that's the case,
00:24:19.09\00:24:21.91
and we believe that
God's work is comprehensive...
00:24:21.95\00:24:24.74
meaning, it addresses the
physical, mental, spiritual,
00:24:24.77\00:24:28.07
and the social conditions
of society, so we are not just
00:24:28.11\00:24:31.36
there Bible thumping...
but you are actually going
00:24:31.39\00:24:33.86
and helping people in
need, and educating people and
00:24:33.89\00:24:36.33
show them how they can,
maybe, help or prevent illness..
00:24:36.37\00:24:39.27
or maybe be
reversing it in some cases...
00:24:39.31\00:24:41.06
and so a comprehensive,
broad based approach to ministry
00:24:41.09\00:24:45.07
training young people
how to do that and of course
00:24:45.10\00:24:47.62
we travel, all of the
directors and there's another...
00:24:47.66\00:24:50.15
the third director,
Andre Waller, we travel,
00:24:50.19\00:24:52.69
and preach and teach and
do evangelism in that regard
00:24:52.73\00:24:56.43
and teach and instruct...
But God has opened up a way
00:24:56.46\00:25:00.13
for us to establish
kind of an outpost operation
00:25:00.17\00:25:04.06
by which we can really carry
out you know, quote unquote
00:25:04.10\00:25:07.09
like military operations
for the Kingdom of God
00:25:07.12\00:25:09.45
and go into these
cities, and go into these areas,
00:25:09.49\00:25:11.78
and reach God's
people, in a practical way.
00:25:11.82\00:25:15.49
Amen... That's tremendous...
00:25:15.53\00:25:16.97
Praise the Lord, and you
know, the last work, anyway,
00:25:17.01\00:25:21.40
is going to be done
mostly by the laymen...
00:25:21.44\00:25:24.23
so we know that, you know,
it's our job to carry the gospel
00:25:24.27\00:25:28.76
That's right... ...
throughout the world
00:25:28.80\00:25:30.32
and you guys have a ministry
to equip, pick laymen, really
00:25:30.36\00:25:34.69
to go and take the gospel.
Do you have a closing thought
00:25:34.73\00:25:39.02
that you'd like to share
in thirty seconds or less?
00:25:39.06\00:25:42.56
I would just let
people know to always remember
00:25:42.60\00:25:46.07
that the gospel
must always be practical,
00:25:46.10\00:25:49.43
whatever you learn in
theory, you enquire of God,
00:25:49.47\00:25:53.02
"How can I take this theory,
and Lord make this thing real
00:25:53.06\00:25:56.64
and something that I
can practice day by day
00:25:56.67\00:25:59.26
so I can really experience
the power of the gospel. "
00:25:59.30\00:26:01.79
Thank you... Do you
have a closing thought?
00:26:01.82\00:26:05.36
Yeah, and just also understand
the relationship that God
00:26:05.39\00:26:09.43
desires to have in
each and every one of us,
00:26:09.46\00:26:12.43
that a relationship was
broken, but God has made
00:26:12.46\00:26:15.36
every measure so that a
relationship can be restored,
00:26:15.39\00:26:19.50
and God loves every one
and has a plan for them,
00:26:19.54\00:26:22.33
and that they are not
just out there on their own,
00:26:22.36\00:26:25.11
with no help or no
future. Thank you so much,
00:26:25.15\00:26:29.56
what you guys say is so profound
and I know that flesh and blood
00:26:29.60\00:26:35.21
didn't reveal it to you...
Viewer, if you want to hear more
00:26:35.25\00:26:38.28
and you want to see more
about the TKS experience,
00:26:38.32\00:26:42.83
you're going to have to tune in.
Thank you so much for being with
00:26:42.86\00:26:47.06
us on Urban
Report. May God bless you
00:26:47.09\00:26:49.74
as you continue to serve
Him. I know that God has great
00:26:49.78\00:26:53.48
things for you,
great things in store...
00:26:53.52\00:26:56.66
May God continue to
bless you. Amen, thank you.
00:26:56.70\00:26:59.88
Thank you.
00:26:59.92\00:27:07.03
TKS is life changing...
I produce the programs
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and time after
time, I was so blessed,
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everybody in the control
room was talking about how
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powerful these programs were.
These young men that hosted
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are on fire for the
Lord, and they used the Bible
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to demonstrate one's
true knowledge of self...
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so please check the
schedule on our website,
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d2dnetwork. TV and find
out what time the program airs,
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in your time zone...
Make sure to spread the word
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about it to your
friends and family...
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anybody that's into hip-hop, I
personally am not a hip-hop fan,
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and I was blessed
immeasurably by the programs.
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You will be too.
Thanks so much for tuning in,
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join us next time. It
just wouldn't be the same
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without you.
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