Participants: Yvonne Lewis (Host), Aaron Penninger, Dr Blondell Senior
Series Code: UBR
Program Code: UBR000016
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00:01 What effect has fatherlessness have on our children?
00:03 Stay tuned and find out just how damaging and pervasive it is. 00:07 My name is Yvonne Lewis and you're watching 00:10 Urban Report... 00:33 Hello and welcome to Urban Report... 00:36 let me share a few statistics with you... 00:39 according to the National Center for Fathering, 00:42 in 72.2 percent of the U.S. population 00:46 fatherlessness is the most significant family 00:50 or social problem facing America... 00:52 an estimated 24.35 million children... 00:57 that's 33.5 percent... 01:00 live absent... from their biological father... 01:04 Of students in Grades 1 through 12 01:07 39 percent... that's 17.7 million of them... 01:11 live in homes absent from their biological fathers... 01:14 63 percent of Black children, 34 percent of Hispanic children, 01:21 and 28 percent of White children are living in homes 01:25 absent from their biological fathers... 01:27 Today on Urban Report... we have some people... 01:32 some guests... that are familiar with this situation 01:35 Dr. Blondel Senior... the Founder and Director 01:38 of the Advent Home Learning Center 01:40 and Aaron Penninger... Aaron is a student and resident 01:44 of the Advent Home... Welcome to Urban Report... 01:47 Thank you... Thank you... 01:49 so nice to have you here... I'm going to start with you 01:51 Aaron... All right... 01:52 how long have you been at the Advent Home? 01:55 Far too long... I've been there about a year and three months 02:01 almost a year and four months... 02:02 Okay, and what brought you there? 02:04 Generally, it was disrespect towards my grandmother 02:10 who I live with... and disrespect towards authority 02:15 and basically the path I was going down... 02:19 Okay... so, you live with your grandma... 02:22 not your parents? Yes... 02:24 Where's your dad? My dad... I've never met... 02:27 as far as I know... 02:29 Okay... so... were you ever with your mom? 02:32 Yes... I lived off and on between my mom 02:36 and my grandmother... for up until I was about 02:39 3 years old... and then I basically just 02:41 lived with my grandmother for the rest... 02:44 Okay, okay... and how has it been not having a dad... 02:49 is your grandfather there as well... or...? 02:52 My grandfather was there until about 2005, 02:55 he passed away in 2005 of liver failure... 02:58 Oh, I'm sorry... That's all right... 02:59 what kind of relationship did you have 03:02 with your grandfather? 03:03 Me and my grandfather had a very good relationship 03:06 we would be together a lot 03:10 enjoy each other's company, he worked on the Naval Base 03:15 actually... on computers so, he would get home about 03:19 4 or 5 in the afternoon but up until that time 03:23 until bedtime... we would just be together a lot. 03:27 Awww... and what did that mean to you? 03:29 It meant a lot to me actually, my grandfather taught me 03:34 how to play the role of a father when I am a father... 03:39 Oh... what does a father do, what do you think... 03:42 if you think of a good father, what do you think about? 03:45 When I think of a good father, I think of a person 03:49 who is not there just because they have to be there, 03:54 or because they know it's their responsibility 03:56 or anything... but someone who is there 03:59 because even if it wasn't their responsibility 04:02 they care enough to be there... 04:03 Ah... oh... that is beautiful, the way you just put that 04:09 is beautiful... they care enough to be there... 04:12 that's so important... so, how do you think... 04:16 not having a dad now in the home 04:19 how did that affect you? 04:20 it affected me in multiple ways 04:24 it's made... I felt a lot of different 04:27 emotions... it's made me feel 04:28 anger towards my father 04:30 sadness... regret... wanting to meet him 04:35 sometimes wanting to meet him and not do some... 04:39 very nice things to him... Hmmm... 04:41 but... a lot of times it's made me 04:44 have to fight my own battles and a lot of the emotions 04:48 that I feel... get ended up... get trapped inside of me 04:52 and it's kind of hard to get them out sometimes... 04:56 Hmmm... that's a very insightful way to look at it, you know... 05:02 very insightful... how old are you again? 05:04 I'm sixteen... Sixteen... 05:06 what do you want to do with your life? 05:07 What I want to do with my life is go to college... 05:11 become a graphic designer... Oh... okay... 05:14 and, of course, get married... have a family... 05:18 nice home... nice car... all of the above... 05:21 and what kind of dad do you think that you'd be? 05:24 I do not really know what type of dad I'm going to be 05:29 it's yet to be decided although I'm going to be there 05:35 for my children... I'm not going to be 05:37 one of those people who have a child 05:38 then walk off... to have a child with another parent 05:42 Hmmm... so in other words 05:44 you're not planning to 05:46 have a baby over here and then a baby over there 05:49 and a baby over there and just not be a dad... 05:52 Yeah... even if I were to have a baby... 05:54 in all those places, I would try my hardest 05:57 to be there for all of them... 05:58 I see... hopefully you... hopefully you'll have 06:01 only one wife right? 06:04 this is a Christian Show 06:06 so we want to, you know, keep it that way... 06:08 Yeah... Yeah, yeah, so that's really 06:11 good... would you say that having your grandfather 06:18 in your life... what kind of difference 06:20 did it make for you... when you had him? 06:23 It's kind of harder to tell because 06:28 there really wasn't a time when I didn't have him 06:31 except for after he died... after he died... 06:35 I kind of prolonged on it... thought about it and everything 06:40 for 3 or so days... and I decided to go ahead 06:44 with my life... and when I decided 06:46 to go ahead with my life, I started turning more 06:49 rebellious towards my grandmother, towards authority, 06:52 whether it be Law or just authority in School and stuff... 06:57 Okay... now let's go back for a second... 06:59 so, you actually thought about not going on with your life 07:03 after your grandpa died? 07:05 I wouldn't exactly say not going on with my life, 07:09 but, I would say more as... since my 07:16 grandfather died... 07:17 just not trying in life... Oh, I see, kind of dropping out 07:23 of life... Yeah... 07:24 kind of dropping out not really putting forth effort 07:27 okay... okay... so you then... 07:31 instead of doing that... 07:33 you became rebellious... is that what you're saying? 07:37 Yes... and so, how did it 07:39 escalate up to the point 07:41 where you had to go to the Advent Home? 07:44 Well, as my grandmother would put it... 07:47 I was rebellious since the time I was born... 07:51 Hmmm... so, I was a hyper-active child 07:55 when I was born... when I came to live with my 07:58 grandmother... even at the little age I was... 08:01 I would go to... when I was hungry 08:03 I would go to the fridge open it up... 08:05 get whatever I wanted out... I pretty much fended for myself 08:10 but as I started getting older it sort of escalated 08:17 into wanting to become more independent 08:20 and the times I did rely on my grandmother 08:23 and grandfather... though I liked what I saw 08:27 and everything and I wish I would have kept 08:31 relying on them... Hmmm... so what did you do? 08:35 What I did is... I just started to drift away 08:39 from them... I started hanging out with 08:42 some wrong people, in School... 08:46 I started treating my friends I had... the wrong way... 08:49 so I'd gradually lose my friends Hmmm... 08:53 and since I was kind of abandoned from my father 08:57 at an early age, I've had abandonment issues 09:00 while I've been growing up... 09:02 What does that mean tell us what that means to you. 09:04 That means... is... I feel abandoned by a person 09:09 say I have a really close friend... 09:12 even if they are the closest friend I ever had 09:14 I'll end up pushing them away sometimes 09:17 without really intending to... Okay... 09:20 so it will be like... I got to push you away 09:23 before you push me away... I see, I see... 09:26 and did you learn all of these things 09:28 about yourself at the Advent Home? 09:30 I learned them before I got to the Advent Home 09:33 but Advent Home is the place where I became 09:37 more aware of them... Very interesting... 09:40 the Advent Home and learning Center... Dr. Senior... 09:44 and thank you so much, thank you so much... 09:46 I'm going to be talking back to you as well... Aaron... 09:48 The Advent Home and Learning Center... 09:52 how long has it been in existence Dr. Senior... 09:54 Yesterday was our 26th birthday... 09:57 Oh... My! 09:59 Yeah, so we're starting our 27th year... 10:01 Tell us about it... what is it exactly? 10:03 We started in 1985... at that time 10:07 children in conservative families were becoming 10:11 more rebellious... and so to prevent adjudicating 10:14 that is... going to Court... kids getting arrested 10:17 getting into drugs... we provided an alternative 10:20 for rebellion... so kids were now becoming 10:24 more rebellious at home and parents couldn't control them 10:26 and so we set up this Home, so parents could send 10:29 kids to us... so we provided an alternative 10:33 or it provides a minimum distraction... 10:36 minimum distraction... Hmmm... hmmm... 10:40 and that's what we set up... it is a residential facility 10:45 that provides counseling, schooling, and outdoor education 10:50 for children who do not adjust well at home or in School 10:56 or in the Community... and so the parents have to 10:59 more or less... send them to us... 11:00 get rid of these kids... because they're creating 11:03 problems... they were rebelling... 11:04 they were dropping out... they were hiding from School 11:07 they were breaking curfew, they were experimenting 11:09 with drugs, alcohol, sex, 11:11 and most parents 11:14 couldn't manage these kids and they say 11:16 they need an alternative they need an intervention... 11:18 they need help... and Dr. Yvonne, most of these 11:24 kids are from homes... with single parents... 11:26 Hmmm... hmmm... hmmm... fatherless homes... 11:29 It's a huge issue... it is such a huge issue 11:32 I think that if the fathers knew 11:35 just how powerful their affect or absence would be 11:41 perhaps they would do better... Yeah... 11:44 because it's just... it's appalling to me 11:47 what's happening... with children... 11:50 they need their fathers... they need their fathers... 11:53 the problem... becomes compounded 11:56 for example... a mother who's a single parent 11:59 has to work longer... sometimes two jobs 12:02 so she goes to work at 6 o'clock in the morning 12:04 holds down a second job and maybe work until 12:07 8:00 p. m. and so the kids are left for long hours 12:10 unsupervised... Yes... 12:11 and then she comes home she's burnt out... 12:13 tired and she can't give the kids the attention they need 12:17 Yes... and so they become rebellious 12:19 because they didn't see mom all day... 12:20 she'd come home... she's tired, she's having a headache 12:23 she's miserable... or she has to do the third job 12:25 housework... you know, laundry, kitchen... 12:28 supervise the kids... Yes... 12:30 and this goes on... day in and day out... 12:32 week in and week out... and people get tired... 12:34 Yes... It's almost impossible... 12:36 It's such a complicated, complex situation 12:41 because it's not just one layer... 12:43 it's several layers... I mean the mom might be there 12:46 and bless her heart... she might be absent 12:49 even though she's physically there... 12:50 Yes... she can be emotionally absent 12:52 from the children... so, the children are 12:54 kind of left to fend for themselves... 12:56 Right... right... and in so doing... 12:58 they make poor choices, and that kind of thing 13:01 Aaron, when you went to the Advent Home, 13:05 was there something that had happened 13:08 just before you went that made your Grandma 13:11 decide that you needed to go there? 13:14 Right before I came to the Advent Home, 13:17 I had been living with another family 13:20 because she could, honestly, not physically take any more 13:25 physically and emotionally, 13:28 and so I was living with the other family, 13:32 I got into some things that I shouldn't have 13:35 not necessarily drugs but... some other things... 13:39 Okay... and that family... 13:41 I was so rebellious towards them... 13:44 that they couldn't start taking care of me... 13:47 that well either... since it was their first time 13:50 taking care of a child... I see... so you kind of 13:53 went into Foster Care... not really Foster Care 13:56 it was some family friends we've known for a while... 14:00 Maybe you can call it "Neighbor Care" 14:03 Okay... Neighbor Care... all right... so some neighbors 14:08 decided to take you in and have you as one of their own 14:13 and then you got into some trouble 14:15 and... Yeah, and then, I moved back 14:17 to live with my Grandmother, because they just 14:20 wouldn't take me anymore, after what I had done, 14:23 and since I had been living with my Grandmother, 14:27 she submitted a lot of reports to different Residential Care 14:30 Facilities... and she says that she did not 14:35 submit a report at all to Advent Home, 14:38 and yet she got a Letter of Acceptance to Advent Home... 14:41 Wow! isn't that... now that must be Providential 14:44 God stepped in on that one, what happened? 14:47 The Grandmother told me that she applied 14:50 to several other Community Agencies... 14:52 Residential Facilities... and they all turned her down... 14:55 she spoke to me on the phone, unknown to her, I'm taking notes 14:59 I'm going through a Checklist, but she doesn't know that 15:02 necessarily... but we talked and when I'm 15:05 through with that child, we know at least 60 to 80 things 15:09 about that child... you know, divorce, adoption, 15:13 behavior, depression, anger, school et cetera... 15:16 I'm talking using this schedule, and so I can make a decision 15:21 right then and there whether I'd take a child or not 15:23 Ah... so we sent her an 15:24 Acceptance Letter and she was so surprised... so glad... 15:28 because she had come to the end of her rope, 15:30 she said that she couldn't take it any more 15:32 she didn't know what she was going to do, 15:34 and so, she sent him to the Advent Home... 15:36 we take kids who are very serious... 15:38 very serious... emotional behavior problems 15:41 so you do have some children... 15:44 do you have any... for example that have 15:47 Childhood Schizophrenia 15:48 or anything that... or Bi-polar... 15:51 Yes... yes... We have Bi-polar, 15:54 we have Schizophrenia, we have Tourette's Syndrome 15:56 we have Asperger's... 15:57 we have ODD, Oppositional Defiant Disorder, 16:01 we have Conduct Disorder, ADHD... name it... 16:04 those kids come to us... we get the kids 16:07 who have exhausted the School System 16:10 the Church System... the Community System... 16:12 and now they don't know what to do 16:14 and they are about to drop out 16:16 or run away... or be abandoned, 16:18 or there's nothing in the Community... 16:21 they've exhausted their Psychiatrists... 16:23 they've exhausted their Social Worker 16:24 and they're seeing their Police Officer more often... 16:28 they are... might be very violent at home 16:31 parents are threatened... and they're not coming home 16:34 on weekends... and so it's the last resort... 16:39 So, so, this is a great thing... so walk me through 16:43 if you would... I bring my son to you... 16:48 and he's been disrespectful, he's been smoking weed, 16:55 he's been... not doing his school... 16:58 he's just... Defiant.. 16:59 defiant... failing on all counts Hmmm... hmmm... 17:03 what do you do from the outset... 17:06 when I bring him to you and say, "I can't... 17:08 I can't do this anymore... " what do you do? 17:11 Well, he does not know... I don't talk with him 17:13 but I talk with the parents or the grandparents 17:15 or the guardian... he does not know... but I know 17:18 a lot about him... 17:19 When he first shows up... 17:21 the moment he walks in, I know a lot about him, 17:23 and so, I would say something like... 17:26 we're interviewing him, we're orienting the child 17:28 Right... takes about three hours 17:30 to orient him to the Program, and it's a very positive 17:32 experience... handshake, "thank you for coming to 17:35 the Advent Home, this is a good School... 17:37 I want you to know that we turned down 39 kids to take you" 17:41 so we get about 40 applications, and we take one... 17:45 Wow... for different reasons... 17:47 So he knows that he's wanted... Yes... he's special... 17:51 he's special, he's chosen, by the School... 17:54 Yes, and I'd say, the parents are sitting there 17:56 the parents are there... the child is there... 17:58 and the child is usually apprehensive... 18:01 or angry... because he was not told 18:05 that he was going to be brought there... 18:06 Right... so he's angry... 18:08 and then it's a surprise... but it's a very disarming 18:10 environment... and I would ask him, 18:13 "Tell me why did your parents make the decision 18:15 to send you to the Advent Home? and they would start out 18:19 by lying... "I don't know... 18:21 I don't have any problem etc. " so, I'd say then... 18:24 "What about stealing the car last week?" 18:26 "Oh, okay... okay yeah... " 18:29 Like "How did you know that?" 18:31 yes... how did I know... we'd talk about that 18:33 then I'd ask, "How are you doing in School?" 18:34 "I'm doing fine... " "Why did you make 2 Fs and a D 18:39 in Math?" so I begin to disarm him 18:42 that... I know a lot about you guys... 18:45 don't lie to me... so, they begin to change 18:47 and begin to be truthful and be upfront... 18:50 because it's not dangerous, it's okay to be truthful... 18:53 Hmmm... so, I'll walk him in... 18:55 and so they come to the Advent Home 18:56 and we take their things 18:58 after about an hour of Orientation 19:01 we tour the campus... and staff comes 19:04 and take the child to the Dormitory... 19:07 so, for the first time now, he's separated from his parents 19:10 and I tell him... "Your parents will come 19:12 in a few minutes... " and I will talk with the parents 19:16 or inquire about certain things, and the child has gone 19:19 to the Dorm... so now there is a separation 19:21 and he's now obeying other Staff... 19:24 we eventually get to the Dorm and we go through his things 19:27 searching for contrabands or things that are 19:30 inappropriate... even a Cell Phone... 19:32 he can't keep a Cell Phone... so we help him out 19:36 to develop what is called a Minimum Distraction Environment 19:41 no cigarette... no drugs... no knife... no cell phone... 19:47 no iPod... no technology... that will make him be distracted 19:52 okay... and we take him to the Advent Home 19:55 and we take away all those things in his presence... 19:56 and you must remember now... we take... 19:59 we have about 32 to 36 kids... we have approximately 35 staff 20:04 so we're not understaffed... in the least... 20:07 That's great... so the kid might be surrounded 20:09 by three guys who are all disarming... 20:12 very friendly... very helpful... 20:14 but you are not going to mess around them... 20:16 in terms of being physical... and it's rare 20:18 that the child will be physical, it's rare... 20:20 one in five years... Now, are they... in a Dormitory 20:25 situation... how many to a room... 20:27 how many? Four to a room... 20:28 four to a room... And the rooms are designed 20:30 where person one cannot see person three 20:32 or person four... the room is divided into cells 20:36 I see... but it's a room, 20:37 you have privacy they have your own light switch, 20:40 there's a bathroom in the room, 20:41 in the same room... so there are four kids and a bathroom 20:44 they have their own desk, they have their own cubby, 20:47 they have place to hang their clothes 20:49 it's four but it's very private, one of the kids in the room 20:54 is called a Junior Staff, or a Group Leader... 20:57 and a Group Leader is an older, more mature kid 21:00 he's there a longer time, he's more mature 21:03 and on the point system... he's climbing up 21:05 and he is in charge of the informality of the room 21:09 he will guide that kid, he will counsel him, 21:12 he'll teach him the ropes, Kind of mentoring... 21:14 Mentoring... yes... yes... mentoring... 21:16 we let him find his way around 21:18 because once they get there as soon as they get there, 21:21 they have to take on responsibility... 21:22 has shifted... you have to make up your bed 21:25 you have to pick up your clothes, 21:27 you have to take your clothes to the laundry... 21:29 you have to fold your clothes 21:30 and so forth... so the responsibility has shifted 21:33 now you may ask these kids or ask the parents, 21:35 "Does he keep his room clean?" 21:37 "Oh" the parents will say, "his room is so messy... 21:41 it has four inches of... you know" 21:43 I think that's a typical teen... Yeah... typical teenager... 21:46 but the Advent Home is... immaculately clean... 21:48 immaculately clean... because cleanliness and order... 21:51 Great, so now we're looking at discipline 21:53 I'm saying... we're looking at discipline now 21:55 and keeping things in order... Yes... neatness... 21:57 it's discipline... work is discipline... 21:59 Yes... yes... following instructions 22:01 is discipline... Hmmm... hmmm... 22:02 you know... listening to the other boys is discipline... 22:05 working as a group member is discipline... 22:07 working as a team is discipline... 22:09 and then... if he comes with an outlandish hairdo... 22:13 he gets it cut within a few hours... 22:16 Okay... and no weird colors like green and pink and blue 22:20 and all that... no T-shirts that has outlandish 22:23 pictures or artwork or anything like that... 22:25 Hmmm... hmmm... 22:27 we're asking him to dress for success... 22:28 and that's what he begins to... he begins dress for success... 22:32 behave for success... and conform to behaviors 22:35 that will pay back... make you successful... 22:37 That's great... now, where does spirituality come in... 22:41 how do you bring... how do you integrate 22:43 spirituality into your Program? 22:46 Throughout the whole Program there's spirituality 22:49 but let me say something... spirituality comes in 22:53 through health... we teach health first... 22:56 okay... before we shift... 22:57 because kids like to be healthy 22:59 so now the kid is taking a bath everyday... 23:01 and these kids tend not to take baths everyday... 23:04 and to be rebellious... Okay... 23:05 his hair is cut... he's nicely dressed... 23:08 and he's in uniform... 23:09 uniform is a Khaki pant and a polo shirt... 23:12 Wow, so they're in uniform... 23:13 Uniform... yes... but it's nice clothes 23:15 and he's nicely dressed... he lives in a very nice Dorm... 23:19 and we have morning worship, 23:21 short but to the point, 23:23 we have evening worship... short to the point... 23:25 we say grace at meal times, so the Program has an overtone 23:29 of Christian values... Hmmm... hmmm... 23:31 Okay... but health is very, very important... 23:33 if you can reach a child through health... 23:35 then it becomes the avenue for other things... 23:38 it's not unusual for a child if he's overweight 23:42 to lose a hundred pounds... Wow... 23:44 it's not unusual to lose 50 pounds... 40 pounds, 23:46 and what about those who are underweight? 23:48 How do they fare? They gain... because muscles... 23:51 how come? Because flabbiness becomes 23:52 muscles... All right... 23:54 so they gain weight... good... so they have a work 23:57 schedule as well... Yes... the day starts at 6 a. m. 24:00 and by 6:40 or 6:45... 24:03 it's breakfast... and you have a group of kids helping 24:06 by 7:45... 7:50... they need to clean up 24:11 what is called zones... there's a group of kids 24:13 in the kitchen for it... 24:14 there's a group of kids on the outside of the building, 24:17 there's a group of kids on the downstairs of the building 24:19 and there's a group of kids on the upstairs of the building 24:22 and then they have work like laundry... 24:24 you know... we might wash 16 loads of clothes a day 24:27 and those need to be collected need to be brought down 24:31 need to be folded... need to be distributed... 24:33 so it's like a large extended family... 24:36 and everyone is contributing... then during the right season 24:40 you have grass to cut... and the lawn to cut... 24:42 the building to be painted, dishes to be washed, 24:45 so forth... so they're in School by 8 o'clock 24:48 and worship is from 8:00 to 8:30 24:50 School is from 8:00 to 1:00 24:53 okay... so you have a little spirituality there... built in 24:56 and it's a regular school... we are a regular school 24:59 very beautiful building... one of our parents and 25:02 grandparents... built it for us... 25:03 because we helped her grandson, so they go to school 25:07 and then from 1 to 2... it's lunch... 25:11 and so they come over... and maybe 1 or 2 kids 25:16 were sent to the cafeteria to prep... 25:18 put the utensils out... 25:20 put the napkins out... Hmmm... hmmm... 25:22 and prepare for lunch... 25:24 so, lunch is 1 to 2... 25:25 from 2 to 5... 25:28 a student may participate in 3 things... 25:30 Outdoor Education... for example... gardening... 25:33 they learn to work in the garden we have some of the most 25:36 beautiful vegetables... you have ever seen... 25:38 Ah... and that also helps the health... 25:40 very therapeutic... yes... 25:42 So, let me just bring you down here... 25:45 toward the end here 25:47 because we're ending our Program the time has just flown by 25:50 I mean... there's so much more I could ask you... 25:53 Yes... but, in general, 25:55 how would you say, in one minute 25:59 fatherlessness has impacted the students at the Advent Home? 26:06 Well, the child does not know how to behave... 26:09 because he has not learned those types of behaviors... 26:12 Hmmm... hmmm... doesn't learn to be a man, 26:14 doesn't learn to be courageous, 26:16 we jokingly say, 26:18 "The kids come... and they are allergic to work. " 26:21 Wow... they don't know how to use 26:23 a broom... a dust pan... a shovel... 26:25 because they do not see that at home... 26:27 because they haven't had a role model... 26:28 never had a role model... 26:29 we need to put up your address so that people can know 26:33 how to contact you... or how to reach you... 26:35 because so many children really need 26:38 the services that you have, so many families... 26:41 let's put up your address right now... 26:43 the Advent Home and Learning Center... 26:46 AdventHome. org 27:32 Thank you so much for being with us today... 27:35 we really appreciate your participation on our Program 27:38 As you've heard... the problem of fatherlessness 27:41 has a profound affect on the family unit... 27:43 while we're grateful for the affects and efforts 27:46 of the Advent Home and Learning Center... 27:48 we must ask ourselves, "How can we stop the cycle?" 27:51 I believe that it's only with the help of God 27:54 the Ultimate Father that the situation can be 27:57 remedied... well, that's all for today's 27:59 Urban Report... thanks for joining us... 28:02 it just wouldn't be the same without you... |
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