There is an underground
culture that is sweeping through
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American Society... and
don't think that it doesn't
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affect the Body of Christ...
it's called the "Down Low"
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and it's more
prevalent than you may think...
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Stay tuned to
find out more about it
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and other relevant issues...
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My name is Yvonne
Lewis and you're watching
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Urban Report...
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Hello and welcome
to Urban Report...
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my guest today is Raymond King
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Author and Co-Founder of
Securing Hope Ministry...
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Welcome Brother Raymond...
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Thank you for
having me on today...
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Oh it's great for
you to be with us...
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we're so happy
that you're here...
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This phenomenon
of the "Down Low"
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what exactly is it?
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The Down Low is
a term that we have
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in the African
American Community
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and it really
references individuals
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male and female who
pretend to be heterosexual
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but they're really involved
with same-gender sexual activity
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I tell people... it's the
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ultimate
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form of betrayal
because... in many instances,
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let's take a
husband who is married...
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has a family...
he portrays himself
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as being a man of God...
heterosexual, loving, caring
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protective of his family...
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but yet... he's secretly
rendezvousing with other males
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for sexual gratification...
I must say selfish, ungodly,
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sexual gratification...
and it is such an issue
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because according to statistics
African American females
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have the highest
rate of HIV infection...
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and they say that
one of the reasons
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that this is the
reality is because
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they are
involved with men again...
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who are on the Down Low
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but what we have found out
contrary to popular belief,
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that it's not only men
who are on the Down Low,
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again... in the Body
of Christ, but the females
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who also are on the
Down Low, these are mothers,
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these are significant
others who portray themselves
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to be heterosexual... but yet...
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they are secretly
again... involved with
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same-gender relationships
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as well... so,
you're telling us...
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that... this is, first of
all, not just specifically
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a male
phenomenon... this is now...
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involving more and
more women as well...
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and Number Two...
you're telling us that
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and this is an
issue of grave concern...
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that there are so many
African American Women...
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that are dying from
HIV... and this is often
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brought into the relationship
via a Down Low relationship
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that's going on
with the husband...
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is that correct?
Exactly... exactly...
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it's real devious...
it's really serious...
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because they call it
Down Low for a reason...
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these individuals
are so secretive...
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in their
personal sexual activity
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that it's hard... for
anyone to pick up on it...
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Hmmm... it is a phenomenon that
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is adversely
affecting both genders...
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but specifically... or
should I say in general...
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it's also adversely
affecting the Body of Christ...
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Now, why should we...
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as the body of Christ...
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be concerned about
this... I mean... really...
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is this something that
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has anything to do
with us as Christians?
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Why should we care about this?
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Well, I believe that
obviously all sin originates
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from the enemy...
and when you start
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looking at the Down-Low
culture, I've written a book
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that deals with
this... you understand that
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the more deviant... or the more
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deceptive it
is... the more I believe
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it is being used
by Satan as a tool...
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and so the reason
the Body of Christ
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needs to be aware
of this is because
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God did not want His
people to be ignorant
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as a matter of
fact... God states in His Word
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"My people are destroyed
for the lack of knowledge... "
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Hmmm... yes...
so, I ask people...
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if God is warning
us... He is saying to us...
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"Don't be
ignorant... " Hmmm... hmmm...
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"gain
knowledge... gain wisdom... "
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what would happen if
we know what's going on
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if we know how
Satan is attacking...
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then I believe that we
could not only confront him...
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but... it is... a
lot of individuals
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in this culture... are in it...
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because of childhood
trauma in the form of
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childhood sexual molestation,
and a lot of individuals
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really want freedom
from this hellish bondage
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or this hellish addiction,
and the Church is the only one
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that can provide
that type of freedom
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or deliverance...
and so... you ask,
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"Why is it so
important to the Church?"
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It's important on
two different areas...
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Number One... we
must provide a means
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of warning and
educating our people
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so they know what
to stand against...
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Hmmm... at the same time
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we also must make ourselves
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the instrument of restoration
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and deliverance
that God has already
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enabled and requires...
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Yes, and I think that
that is so important...
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for our viewers to
know and particularly
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our viewers that are
caught up in that bondage
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because indeed it is
that... it is bondage...
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any sin... that has you driven
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that you are controlled
by, well, sin period...
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is bondage... Yes...
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and so... we as a
Church, have to be a place
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of restoration... a
place of deliverance
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to show that
there is deliverance
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from that bondage... Yes...
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and so... I think it's critical
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for us.. to not put
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our heads in the sand
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and act as though
these things don't exist
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in the Church...
because they do...
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and that's why
we have you here...
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It is Satan's desire
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that we ignore this reality
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because... by doing so...
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we give him free rein
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to continue to kill,
steal and to destroy...
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Hmmm... I tell individuals...
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any form of sin... if
allowed to maintain itself
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in the Body of
Christ is malignant...
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You know... the Scriptures...
Paul said in Corinthians to
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that Church...
"that a little leaven
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would leaven
the entire lump... "
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Yes... hmmm... hmmm... hmmm...
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that's pretty
significant because...
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know when he
says... "a little leaven"
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not a whole bunch... he said
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it would leaven
the entire lump...
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Hmmm... hmmm...
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and so, I tell
people, we can't afford...
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to allow any form of
sin... to maintain itself
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to take root
within the Body of Christ
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because... if we
all... and it has...
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and it is...
adversely affecting us all...
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and I'll give an example...
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one of the main problems
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in the Body of Christ is
sexual immorality period...
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it's not just homosexual...
it's not just Down Low...
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it's just embracing...
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what I call it... a
counterfeit sexuality
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let's say you have individuals
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who are sexually
active... male and female...
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but individuals who
are on the Down Low...
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may present themselves
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again as being
heterosexually inclined
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Hmmm... hmmm... and so, they are
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committing fornication
with females and males
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however, the females who are
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"straight"
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but they're still
committing fornication...
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are now... spreading the disease
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both physically and
spiritually to the other men...
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that they are
fornicating with...
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and so... the
Down-Low Brother would not only
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adversely affect the
female... the Down-Low Brother
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would also the other male
that she may be fornicating with
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and as I said before
it's not just the males...
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I think people will be surprised
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how many females are involved
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in secretive sexual
liaisons with other females...
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but present
themselves to be heterosexual
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within the Body of Christ...
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and one reason
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this is so prevalent
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on the female
side of the equation
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is because... a
lot of females now
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don't trust males... Hmmm...
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there are... a number of books
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that have been written
about females who are married
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or who are involved with
a male who they found out
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to be on the Down Low...
females who have contracted
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HIV... females
who died from that...
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and so... they look at...
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a lot of females look at males
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suspect because
they don't have any idea
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if the male they are
being attracted to...
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is on the Down Low... Hmmm...
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and again... I tell
people... you cannot tell...
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that's why they call
it... the Down Low...
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Right... right...
right... absolutely...
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You know... one of
the things that you said
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that's so
important and that is...
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there's just a whole plethora...
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of sexual
sin... in the Church...
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it's not that we
are just focusing
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on homosexuality
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or bi-sexuality...
fornication... you know...
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adultery... all of
these things, pedophilia...
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all these things...
have crept into the Church
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and we're just... sometimes...
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we're just burying
our head in the sand
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acting like this is
just not important...
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but yet... it's
taking root in the Church...
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and that's one of the things
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that is of such
distress to me as a Christian...
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I see what's going on
with this whole agenda...
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as I watch
television... I see...
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there's this whole
agenda that's pushing...
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that's promoting...
fornication, adultery,
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homosexuality,
bi-sexuality, and it's as though
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we are just becoming
desensitized to it...
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what do you see... as the agenda
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that's taking
place... in our Society...
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or is there an agenda?
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Big time... and I tell people
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the Bible declares
"that we wrestle not against
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flesh and blood... but
against spiritual powers,
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wickedness... "
there's a spiritual warfare...
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Yes... I tell
people that the agenda
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is really demonic... Yes...
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and I'm going to go to
the 6th Chapter of Corinthians
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and I have been led to believe
in reading Paul's writings
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where he says... that
all men have sinned...
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it's done outside
the body... Hmmm...
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and I ask people...
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when he says "all"
what does that mean?
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It means... without
exception... Hmmm... hmmm...
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but it says... it
means in the exception...
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fornication is
done against the body...
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Come on now... and
so, the revelation that
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I received from that is...
God was working through Paul
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to establish or put sin...
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into two distinct
categories... Hmmm... hmmm...
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Non-sexual...
done outside the body
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and sexual... that's
done against the body...
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and so... whatever
type of sin we commit...
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it's going to be
either sexual or non-sexual...
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and so I ask
people... if that's the case...
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and if you are Satan...
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you want to attack
the body of Christ...
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which category of
sin would you focus on...
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and obviously it
had to be that sin
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that's done...
against the body and so...
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in answer to your question...
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I submit that...
it is an agenda...
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the agenda
is... Satan who is mad
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with the remnant of
the seed of the woman...
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he is launching
war against the woman
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but he's using
sexuality... and he knows that
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if he can infiltrate...
if he can contaminate...
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it he can
leaven... the Church...
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to embrace...
again the counterfeit...
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then what happens is...
he slowly but surely destroys
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the fabric or the fundamental
component of the Church
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and of the facade...
and that's the family...
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our families are in
trouble... Yes... yes...
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especially in
the Black Community
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you know better
than I do that 70 percent
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of all the homes
in Black America...
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only have one parent... Yes...
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and if you really
were to evaluate that...
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you'll find that
that most of it...
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leads to sexual
immorality, I submit that
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that's the agenda...
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Satan wants to
destroy the Church...
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by using sexuality...
and we are assisting him...
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because we fail to
openly discuss... openly teach
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and embrace... what I call...
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Biblical sexuality...
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Hmmm... and I
want to get to that
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in just a second
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what is that concept
of Biblical Sexuality...
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of God's ideal for His people...
but there's something...
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there's a kind of
theory that I have...
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and I want to run it past you...
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so many people think that
sex is just a physical act...
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but there is a
physical dimension,
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as well as a
spiritual dimension...
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and there's the whole
physical thing that says that
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when you sleep with someone...
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you're sleeping with everybody
that they've slept with
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for the past 7
years... so... that means...
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if you are a
promiscuous person...
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and you're
sleeping with X, Y, Z...
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or even one
person... that slept with
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50,000 people...
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you're sleeping with everybody
that they've slept with
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for the past 7 years...
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I believe that spiritually
too, there's that same deal
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that you are...
there's this kind of
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transferring of the
spiritual plane as well,
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and so, that's why,
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we're not to join
the Body of Christ
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with the "harlot" so
to speak, as Paul says,
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because it's not
just a physical thing...
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it's also a spiritual
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kind of transference
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and so, we have to
be so concerned about
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what "spirits" are we
taking in, and I think that
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that's why... we're
supposed to look at this
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not just from a
physiological place
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but from a
spiritual place as well...
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would you concur with that?
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Very much so... I
reference what I call
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people's "Sexual Tree" Hmmm...
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sexual tree is in essence
what you just mentioned...
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I'll submit that... it
goes even farther than 7 years
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it goes to infinity...
until God severs it...
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see... I believe that
sexuality is multi-dimensional
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as you've
mentioned... it's physical...
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it's
spiritual... it's emotional...
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and it's mental... it
is complete joining of
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husband and wife...
which is what God had intended
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it's a bonding mechanism
between those two individuals
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and it's so
complete... it's the only union
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that God compares...
between He and the Church...
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And see... Satan would
want to really mess that up...
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because he is
actually going... attacking...
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the whole concept of
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us being formed in the
image of God... anyway...
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so he wants to come up
against that whole concept
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and against the
Church, which is represented
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in Scripture as a
woman... so he wants to come up
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against that
anyway... so he is going to
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you can see...
how... he would...
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really try to attack the
Church and attack us through
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sexuality... and
it's everywhere...
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it's ubiquitous... let
me kind of go back to the
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Down-Low phenomenon for a minute
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and ask you...
what are the signs
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of someone being
on the Down Low...
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what would you look for...
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That's a good question...
if you could determine that...
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you have the right
to turn Down Low...
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wow... it is... some
of the signs that are
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obvious... is a
lack of attention...
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if either party... has
been giving the other party
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attention... especially in the
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intimacy department...
and all of a sudden...
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it starts to wane...
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if you have one
or the other partner
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becoming missing... for
extended periods of time...
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without any
reasonable explanation...
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I want to say that
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they are real difficult
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to determine because...
everything is done by the
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Down-Low partner
to keep it "Down Low"
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but what I will say is
this... it's a lot harder
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to detect it... than
it is to prevent it...
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and I submit
that what we should do
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in the Body of
Christ... is again...
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make this an
issue that we discuss...
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because as I said
earlier... there are individuals
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who are caught in this addiction
that really want freedom...
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Hmmm... but how many individuals
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will you say...
feel so comfortable
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about the
environment of the Church...
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that they would stand
up in a Prayer Meeting...
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or at any
gathering of the saints
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and say, "Listen,
Brothers and Sisters
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I'm struggling with
same-gender attraction...
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I need you all to help
me... " Forget about it...
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Forget about it...
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exactly... that's
just not happening
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it's so swept
under the rug because
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it's an area of
such shame and secrecy...
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and I think that that's
one of the draws with it
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the clandestine
aura that it has...
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that's one of the
things that Satan uses
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to keep it on the Down
Low... it keeps it exciting
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when it's clandestine...
so, I mean, it's all part of
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that whole plan that
he has... to deceive...
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Well, part of it
is also the demons
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of shame and
guilt... and I submit that we
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as the Body of Christ
have to get to a point where...
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we are able to hear anything...
deal with anything...
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and address anything... Hmmm...
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because... that is the only time
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that we are going to be
what God had called us to be...
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there are individuals
that I've talked with
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who have come out of
the homosexual culture...
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and they've made
mention of the fact
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that... if they
had been approached
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if they felt like
the Church was willing
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to help them without a
spirit of condemnation...
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they would have
reached out a long time ago...
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Hmmm... what I'm finding out
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in the Body of Christ is...
especially when it comes to
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sexual issues... we
are deficit in our success
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in offering the
deliverance because...
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people would not get help
if they don't ask for it...
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people would not ask
for it if they feel like,
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"I'm going to be condemned...
I'm going to be talked about...
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I'm going to be ostracized... "
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we need to
change that paradigm...
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because... if we start
changing, if we start becoming
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the spirit of
change and restoration
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that God has enabled
us... I submit that...
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that would be
the best first step
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in eliminating
the Down-Low Syndrome
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and every other
sexual misconduct problem
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we have in the Body of Christ...
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it's not that we
can't... it's that we won't...
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Yes... yes... what is
your... what is your interest
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in all this...
why have you taken it
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upon yourself...
to... kind of champion
00:20:39.44\00:20:42.10
this whole issue of
sexuality in the Church?
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That's a good question...
God works in mysterious way...
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and the way He
called my wife and I...
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into this ministry...
was on the heels of us
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meeting with young
adults and teens in our home
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every Friday night for
about two-and-a-half years,
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we discussed
everything from doctrinal issues
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to sexuality to
dating... we also fed them food
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as a matter-of-fact...
I had a nickname...
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I called them locusts...
because once they came in
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and left... there
was nothing left...
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They cleaned you out huh?
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Toward the end of that
blessing, the Holy Spirit
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gave me the
impression of going to them
00:21:30.80\00:21:33.16
and saying to them...
"Now, you have been fed
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for the past
two-and-a-half years
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now, it's time
to get to work... "
00:21:37.94\00:21:39.90
So, you're getting
ready to make sure that they
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they've been
fed... so now it's time
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for them to get out
there and feed others... right?
00:21:45.85\00:21:50.03
Exactly... but what I
suggested that they do is...
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do an abstinence
program for the youth
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that were younger than them,
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and so, each person had their...
00:21:59.75\00:22:01.72
who wanted to participate,
had a specific subject
00:22:01.75\00:22:05.56
that they would
cover and because of
00:22:05.59\00:22:07.40
my medical background...
I chose to cover STD...
00:22:07.44\00:22:11.01
and that is what
really brought me into this
00:22:11.05\00:22:14.59
thing because as
I did my research
00:22:14.63\00:22:16.92
I did not realize that it was
00:22:16.95\00:22:18.69
as bad as it was...
00:22:18.73\00:22:19.97
and to make the
long story short...
00:22:20.00\00:22:22.82
that led me into
writing my first book
00:22:22.86\00:22:26.50
and the book just exploded
00:22:26.53\00:22:27.97
my interest...
and I tell people,
00:22:28.01\00:22:30.98
"When God calls you to a
ministry... He equips you...
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He gives you such a yearning
and a desire to do it... "
00:22:35.72\00:22:40.26
and so, primarily...
I believe that this is
00:22:40.30\00:22:44.02
what God's purpose is
for myself and my wife...
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and the more we
study about this...
00:22:47.78\00:22:50.41
the more angrier we
become, as a matter-of-fact...
00:22:50.44\00:22:53.62
in the book that I wrote,
"Dealing with the Down Low"
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I talk about my
brother, unfortunately...
00:22:56.83\00:22:58.98
who was a preacher and he
got sucked into that culture
00:22:59.02\00:23:04.06
and I found out that...
00:23:04.10\00:23:06.75
after his death...
00:23:06.78\00:23:08.28
he committed
suicide... that he actually
00:23:08.31\00:23:10.71
was a victim of childhood
sexual molestation as well...
00:23:10.74\00:23:14.73
My... and so there's a lot of
00:23:14.76\00:23:16.81
a lot of things
that have happened...
00:23:16.85\00:23:18.39
but I do know... based upon
00:23:18.42\00:23:20.65
what I am gaining from
this, this is where God
00:23:20.69\00:23:24.94
wants us to be...
Amen... amen... now...
00:23:24.97\00:23:27.99
so what would you say
then I'm wrapping this up...
00:23:28.02\00:23:31.38
what would you say...
is God's ideal plan for us
00:23:31.41\00:23:34.54
in terms of sexuality...
besides marriage obviously
00:23:34.58\00:23:37.67
but with all that's
going on in Society now
00:23:37.71\00:23:40.97
what would you say to the viewer
00:23:41.01\00:23:43.02
about God's plan for
us for our sexuality...
00:23:43.06\00:23:47.04
very simple... God says,
00:23:47.08\00:23:49.39
"Be ye holy... as I am holy... "
00:23:49.43\00:23:51.58
Hmmm... we should not try to
00:23:51.61\00:23:53.69
achieve anything
else but holiness...
00:23:53.72\00:23:57.14
once we achieve
holiness... everything...
00:23:57.17\00:24:00.36
everything that
needs to be put in place...
00:24:00.39\00:24:03.54
will be put in place...
00:24:03.58\00:24:04.85
What's holiness to a
person who's never...
00:24:04.88\00:24:07.62
who is unchurched?
What is being holy?
00:24:07.65\00:24:10.36
What does that mean?
00:24:10.39\00:24:11.48
Being holy is...
being like Christ...
00:24:11.52\00:24:15.79
the Bible says, "By
beholding we become changed... "
00:24:15.83\00:24:17.91
when we learn of
Christ, then, we are changed
00:24:17.95\00:24:22.47
just by the
exposure to holiness...
00:24:22.51\00:24:25.09
Okay... I know that...
00:24:25.12\00:24:26.35
for the "unchurched"
that may sound kind of...
00:24:26.39\00:24:29.75
strange... but the Bible says,
00:24:29.78\00:24:33.02
"Spiritual things
are spirit discerned"
00:24:33.06\00:24:35.78
I'm convinced that
Christ came to show us
00:24:35.81\00:24:38.35
God... through
Himself... Hmmm... hmmm...
00:24:38.39\00:24:40.85
and if we can obtain
the life that Christ lived
00:24:40.89\00:24:44.94
by learning of
Christ... He said,
00:24:44.98\00:24:47.54
"Come unto me, all ye who are
burdened and are heavy laden,
00:24:47.57\00:24:50.98
and I will give you
rest... " Hmmm... hmmm...
00:24:51.02\00:24:53.03
He said, "Learn of
me... " and I believe that
00:24:53.06\00:24:56.30
that's the key... if
we can get more knowledge
00:24:56.34\00:24:58.63
of Jesus... and who
He is, and what He is,
00:24:58.66\00:25:00.89
and what He's all
about... then... everything else
00:25:00.92\00:25:03.37
that Satan has thrown at us
will slowly be snuffed off...
00:25:03.40\00:25:08.74
Jesus is the
answer... Jesus is the answer...
00:25:08.78\00:25:12.34
I mean... what more can we say?
00:25:12.38\00:25:14.71
Thank you... thank you
so much Brother Raymond King
00:25:14.75\00:25:18.44
for being with us
and letting us know
00:25:18.47\00:25:21.76
about this whole issue of
the Down Low and sexuality
00:25:21.79\00:25:25.32
in the Church... and
what we can do... really...
00:25:25.35\00:25:28.84
to... how we can address it...
00:25:28.88\00:25:31.72
and we can address it by
being a place of restoration
00:25:31.76\00:25:35.99
and we can address it by
by ourselves becoming more
00:25:36.02\00:25:40.22
like Christ so that
so that we can share
00:25:40.26\00:25:42.63
Him with the world...
00:25:42.66\00:25:43.98
how can we share
what we don't know?
00:25:44.01\00:25:45.72
so... we have to do that...
00:25:45.76\00:25:50.17
thank you again
for being with us
00:25:50.21\00:25:52.22
Thank you for the
opportunity... Absolutely...
00:25:52.25\00:25:55.60
If we would just
really get into that Word...
00:25:55.64\00:26:01.04
and show love to everyone...
00:26:01.08\00:26:03.38
this Program is not
about bashing the bi-sexual
00:26:03.41\00:26:08.59
or the
homosexual... or the adulterer
00:26:08.62\00:26:11.12
or the fornicator...
we're all sinners...
00:26:11.16\00:26:13.58
we're all sinners saved
by grace and what your sin...
00:26:13.62\00:26:17.14
your sin might not be my sin...
00:26:17.18\00:26:19.66
but... whatever our
sins are... we are sinners
00:26:19.69\00:26:25.51
in need of a Savior...
and so... we can be thankful
00:26:25.54\00:26:29.35
that we have a
Savior... we can be thankful
00:26:29.39\00:26:31.83
that we have a High
Priest that we can go to
00:26:31.86\00:26:34.27
and say...
"Lord, I've blown it...
00:26:34.30\00:26:37.06
I've messed up...
but please forgive me
00:26:37.09\00:26:39.12
and then empower me...
give me victory over this sin. "
00:26:39.15\00:26:42.77
This Program today
was to show you that
00:26:42.80\00:26:45.76
victory is ours through
Christ, no matter what the sin
00:26:45.80\00:26:49.73
no matter what
you're dealing with...
00:26:49.77\00:26:51.19
we can have victory in
Him... and so we can go to Him
00:26:51.23\00:26:55.79
because He's our
High Priest... because...
00:26:55.82\00:26:58.35
there's nothing
that He has not...
00:26:58.39\00:27:00.87
the Word says that we
don't have a High Priest
00:27:00.90\00:27:05.51
that cannot be
touched with the feeling
00:27:05.54\00:27:07.70
of our infirmities...
but... we have a High Priest
00:27:07.74\00:27:11.32
that we can come to...
because He'll show us grace
00:27:11.36\00:27:14.83
and mercy in time of
need... so we can come to Him
00:27:14.87\00:27:18.31
and we can expect healing...
00:27:18.34\00:27:20.19
and we can expect forgiveness
00:27:20.23\00:27:22.01
"If we confess our
sins... He is faithful and just
00:27:22.04\00:27:24.88
to forgive us of our
sins, and to cleanse us
00:27:24.91\00:27:27.69
from all unrighteousness...
" this information today
00:27:27.72\00:27:30.46
is so valuable and
practical, we can't just
00:27:30.50\00:27:33.16
bury our heads in
the sand... and act as if
00:27:33.19\00:27:35.80
this phenomenon
doesn't exist... it does...
00:27:35.84\00:27:38.41
but the Lord would
have us to be aware
00:27:38.45\00:27:40.60
of the wiles of
the enemy and to know
00:27:40.63\00:27:42.94
that in Christ...
there is victory...
00:27:42.97\00:27:45.86
there is nothing
too great or too small
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to bring to Him... He
longs for intimacy with you
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He longs for a
relationship with you...
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He longs to walk
side by side with you...
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so let Him and trust Him...
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just give Him a try...
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Thanks for
watching Urban Report...
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it just wouldn't be
the same, without you...
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