The future for many young Black males in America 00:00:01.06\00:00:03.94 may not seem too bright... more often than any other group 00:00:03.98\00:00:07.80 in this Country... young Black men face a 00:00:07.83\00:00:10.20 greater rate of imprisonment, 00:00:10.23\00:00:12.06 a greater chance of being killed, 00:00:12.09\00:00:13.80 and greater chance of being unemployed... 00:00:13.84\00:00:16.56 today, on Urban Report, we'll hear from an 00:00:16.60\00:00:19.22 inner city Pastor that is all too familiar 00:00:19.26\00:00:21.85 with the plight of Black males... 00:00:21.88\00:00:23.12 My name is Yvonne Lewis and you're watching 00:00:23.15\00:00:26.17 Urban Report. 00:00:26.21\00:00:27.45 For many young Black men opportunities seem elusive 00:00:49.62\00:00:53.14 and the future holds no promise... 00:00:53.17\00:00:55.16 the fact is... many are living from day to day 00:00:55.19\00:00:58.81 with very little hope or expectation 00:00:58.84\00:01:01.27 that life will get better, they have no dream, 00:01:01.30\00:01:04.17 our guest today is all too familiar with this scenario, 00:01:04.21\00:01:07.95 and will share several points with us 00:01:07.99\00:01:10.20 from a Biblical perspective... 00:01:10.23\00:01:11.70 our guest is Pastor William Lee, Senior Pastor of Capital City 00:01:11.74\00:01:16.25 Seventh-day Adventist Church in Indianapolis, Indiana... 00:01:16.28\00:01:19.37 he's an expert in Urban Ministries 00:01:19.40\00:01:21.84 and he's the host of the Dare to Dream's 00:01:21.88\00:01:23.88 upcoming Program... "for Guys Only" 00:01:23.91\00:01:25.96 Welcome Pastor Lee... 00:01:25.99\00:01:29.08 Thank you so much Dr. Lewis for having me today... 00:01:29.12\00:01:31.34 it's a pleasure to be here... 00:01:31.37\00:01:32.55 Oh, we are so thrilled to have you... 00:01:32.59\00:01:34.52 Now, what are some of the unique challenges 00:01:34.56\00:01:38.54 that Black men face in our Society? 00:01:38.58\00:01:41.29 Yeah... the challenges are many 00:01:41.33\00:01:43.97 they range in regards to 00:01:44.01\00:01:46.51 violence, gangs, 00:01:46.54\00:01:48.62 especially our Black boys are joining gangs 00:01:48.66\00:01:51.29 at an all-time epidemic... so it seems... 00:01:51.32\00:01:53.88 there's drug addiction, unemployment, failing schools, 00:01:53.92\00:01:58.96 negative media... betrayal of the Black men, 00:01:58.99\00:02:02.59 there's a big problem, fatherlessness... 00:02:02.63\00:02:05.82 which... we're talking about abysmal... 00:02:05.85\00:02:09.00 and then... just this whole loss of morals 00:02:09.04\00:02:11.54 and values that our Black men are facing today, 00:02:11.58\00:02:14.84 so, there are many issues that we must address... 00:02:14.88\00:02:18.08 You know... that issue of the loss or decline of morals... 00:02:18.11\00:02:23.62 I mean... as I watch television 00:02:23.66\00:02:26.44 and I'm not a hip-hop fan at all 00:02:26.48\00:02:29.42 but sometimes in passing 00:02:29.46\00:02:31.66 you hear some of the lyrics and it's appalling to me... 00:02:31.69\00:02:34.38 it's appalling because... we've gone so far... 00:02:34.41\00:02:38.69 it's like the lyrics are just so profoundly 00:02:38.73\00:02:42.97 decadent... 00:02:43.01\00:02:45.19 and so, many times our kids are listening to this... 00:02:45.23\00:02:49.56 and they have rhythm and rhyme, and so, Satan is using it 00:02:49.59\00:02:53.51 to get into the subconscious mind... 00:02:53.55\00:02:55.69 of our young people... and so... 00:02:55.72\00:02:58.34 it's rather frightening to me... 00:02:58.37\00:03:00.95 what's going on... tell us from a Biblical 00:03:00.99\00:03:03.66 perspective... give us a Biblical perspective 00:03:03.69\00:03:06.33 on what's going on... if you would... 00:03:06.36\00:03:08.35 Sure... it's interesting that the Bible states in 00:03:08.38\00:03:12.79 Genesis Chapter 1 versus 26 and 27 I believe it is... 00:03:12.82\00:03:16.62 where the Bible says that God made man in His own image, 00:03:16.65\00:03:20.41 in His own likeness God made man... 00:03:20.44\00:03:22.72 and the Bible says specifically that God gave man 00:03:22.76\00:03:26.70 dominion and power over the earth 00:03:26.74\00:03:30.18 from the beginning of time... 00:03:30.21\00:03:31.31 God had set man up to be the ruler of the world 00:03:31.35\00:03:34.44 to have leadership in this world that we live in... 00:03:34.48\00:03:37.80 but the problems come in 00:03:37.84\00:03:39.26 just a couple of Chapters down the road 00:03:39.30\00:03:41.08 in Genesis Chapter 3... we're seeing that man sins... 00:03:41.11\00:03:44.55 he, so to speak, he disobeys God... 00:03:44.59\00:03:47.49 and now, his leadership and everything else 00:03:47.53\00:03:50.48 is called into question from that standpoint 00:03:50.51\00:03:53.40 we look right now that... from the beginning of sin 00:03:53.43\00:03:56.95 all the way to where we are right now 00:03:56.98\00:03:58.52 that man, so to speak, has been hiding from God... 00:03:58.55\00:04:03.05 and while God has given us 00:04:03.09\00:04:05.31 leadership and dominion 00:04:05.35\00:04:07.51 we've kind of put it down the back burner... 00:04:07.54\00:04:10.61 we've turned to other things and other avenues... 00:04:10.64\00:04:13.94 that are being really detrimental to the Black family 00:04:13.98\00:04:17.24 and to the Black men... 00:04:17.27\00:04:18.46 So you're saying, then, let me make sure 00:04:18.49\00:04:20.91 I'm understanding what you're saying... 00:04:20.94\00:04:22.83 you're saying that from the beginning... 00:04:22.87\00:04:24.72 man... not just men and women... 00:04:24.76\00:04:27.48 but man had a particular role in the household 00:04:27.52\00:04:31.24 and that role has been abandoned? 00:04:31.27\00:04:34.36 Yeah... I mean... 00:04:34.39\00:04:35.88 I absolutely say so... 00:04:35.91\00:04:37.10 that the Bible was absolutely clear that man 00:04:37.13\00:04:40.42 was to rule over the fish over the fowls of the earth, 00:04:40.45\00:04:43.29 of the earth... everything... God had put really 00:04:43.32\00:04:46.49 in the lap of man... of Adam, so to speak, 00:04:46.53\00:04:50.15 and from that time... to when he sinned... 00:04:50.19\00:04:54.16 it's been just a tremendous downward 00:04:54.19\00:04:57.49 spiral... especially as it relates to the Urban Male... 00:04:57.52\00:05:00.96 you look at most of our cities, it's very difficult... 00:05:00.99\00:05:04.84 even in our Churches... to find men in our churches 00:05:04.87\00:05:08.69 that will stand up and really be the men 00:05:08.72\00:05:11.18 that God has called them to be... 00:05:11.21\00:05:13.17 so, what we're saying is that we have to reclaim 00:05:13.21\00:05:16.54 the men... these missing men... 00:05:16.57\00:05:18.04 we have to reclaim Adam... to put Adam 00:05:18.08\00:05:20.77 really in his rightful position that God established him for, 00:05:20.80\00:05:24.41 the Bible even goes a little further says in 00:05:24.44\00:05:26.10 Revelation Chapter 1 verse 6 00:05:26.13\00:05:28.38 that we are in Jesus Christ 00:05:28.42\00:05:30.61 He's forgiven us... and that we are kings and priests 00:05:30.64\00:05:34.04 that God has... he's actually called us kings 00:05:34.08\00:05:36.12 and priests... and we need to take back 00:05:36.16\00:05:38.14 so to speak... what the enemy has stolen from us 00:05:38.17\00:05:41.15 or even what we've given over to him... 00:05:41.18\00:05:42.91 over time... Wow! I like that... 00:05:42.95\00:05:45.38 you know... well, there are a few things 00:05:45.42\00:05:47.88 Number one... it's so important to show 00:05:47.91\00:05:50.71 the relevance of the Bible today... 00:05:50.74\00:05:53.47 it's so relevant... the principles there are so 00:05:53.51\00:05:56.74 relevant to what we're dealing with... today... 00:05:56.78\00:06:01.09 and so, when you're saying that God has given men 00:06:01.13\00:06:05.41 a certain position... and that 00:06:05.44\00:06:08.29 we were made in His image and that 00:06:08.32\00:06:11.34 we have kind of... as men and women... 00:06:11.37\00:06:14.32 I mean, we could talk about what's happened with women too 00:06:14.36\00:06:17.79 with... again... with the media and hip-hop... 00:06:17.83\00:06:20.48 and the music and all that... but... with the focus on males 00:06:20.51\00:06:24.66 that whole idea of man being in a position 00:06:24.69\00:06:27.62 of authority and dominion over the earth... 00:06:27.66\00:06:30.55 and us, actually, removing ourselves 00:06:30.58\00:06:35.51 from that position that God... placed man in... 00:06:35.55\00:06:38.96 that's a very interesting thing to me... 00:06:39.00\00:06:42.00 why did Adam hide from God in the garden... 00:06:42.04\00:06:45.01 why do you think he hid? 00:06:45.04\00:06:46.55 Yeah... that's very interesting because if you look at the 00:06:46.58\00:06:49.56 account... God had specifically given 00:06:49.60\00:06:52.87 Adam the command on what to do and what not to do 00:06:52.91\00:06:56.37 in the Garden of Eden... and Adam completely understood 00:06:56.40\00:06:59.35 that he was not supposed to touch the fruit 00:06:59.38\00:07:02.17 in the garden... that he was to stay away from it 00:07:02.20\00:07:04.58 but it's very interesting that somehow we believe that 00:07:04.61\00:07:08.03 they separated themselves... 00:07:08.07\00:07:09.21 and when they separated themselves... 00:07:09.25\00:07:10.64 in the Garden... and that's when the enemy 00:07:10.68\00:07:13.35 came in... especially to Eve when Adam was not standing 00:07:13.38\00:07:17.09 directly next to his woman... 00:07:17.13\00:07:19.92 and we see from that point that man is, sometimes, weak... 00:07:19.96\00:07:24.19 and he falls for 00:07:24.22\00:07:25.52 the tactics of the enemy... 00:07:25.56\00:07:28.29 when Eve gave Adam the fruit, you know... 00:07:28.32\00:07:30.33 he knew better... but he still went against God 00:07:30.37\00:07:33.56 and from that time on... we see God comes looking 00:07:33.60\00:07:36.76 for Adam... and I want you to notice that 00:07:36.80\00:07:38.67 God came specifically to Adam, God did not come to Eve 00:07:38.70\00:07:42.37 the Bible says, "Where art thou... Adam...?" 00:07:42.40\00:07:45.02 "Where are you... Adam...?" so God puts the 00:07:45.06\00:07:47.64 responsibility... right back in the hands 00:07:47.68\00:07:50.08 of the man... and from that point... 00:07:50.12\00:07:52.49 Adam stands up and says... 00:07:52.53\00:07:53.96 "God, I was afraid... I heard you coming... 00:07:53.99\00:07:58.09 in the garden... so I hid myself... " 00:07:58.13\00:07:59.57 and God asked another question... 00:07:59.60\00:08:00.97 God asked, "Who told you that you were naked?" 00:08:01.01\00:08:03.22 so to speak, so from the beginning of time 00:08:03.26\00:08:05.80 it seems that man... 00:08:05.84\00:08:07.30 and once he sinned... he has been running from 00:08:07.34\00:08:10.29 responsibility... he's been running... from God... 00:08:10.33\00:08:13.40 which we must put a stop to in our time... today... 00:08:13.43\00:08:16.47 Yes... yes... you know what... it dawned on me 00:08:16.51\00:08:19.04 as you were giving this explanation 00:08:19.08\00:08:22.29 that some of our viewers don't even know the story... 00:08:22.32\00:08:24.82 of Adam and Eve... can you just kind of... 00:08:24.86\00:08:27.60 give us that encapsulation of the story 00:08:27.64\00:08:30.35 and of man's hiding from God 00:08:30.38\00:08:32.31 and then relate it what's going on now... again... 00:08:32.35\00:08:34.61 sure... absolutely... the reality is that 00:08:34.64\00:08:37.83 God created the entire universe... 00:08:37.86\00:08:40.07 and the Bible says that every day when He finished 00:08:40.11\00:08:43.58 creation He declared that, "It is good... " 00:08:43.61\00:08:45.96 everything was perfect... 00:08:45.99\00:08:47.38 it was like the perfect Utopian Society... 00:08:47.41\00:08:49.71 everything was just right... and God created man 00:08:49.75\00:08:53.32 called Adam... and He created this woman called Eve 00:08:53.36\00:08:56.90 and they were the first married couple 00:08:56.94\00:08:59.58 that God put together... and it was Adam's responsibility 00:08:59.61\00:09:03.71 to lead Eve and to be 00:09:03.75\00:09:05.72 right next to her 00:09:05.75\00:09:07.65 in the Garden of Eden... the Bible says 00:09:07.69\00:09:10.00 that there was a tree though... 00:09:10.04\00:09:11.53 the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil... 00:09:11.57\00:09:14.42 which bore fruit... and the Bible specifically told 00:09:14.45\00:09:17.63 Adam the man... that you are not to eat 00:09:17.67\00:09:21.18 from this tree... now it's kind of an arbitrary 00:09:21.22\00:09:23.85 command that God gives... but He still gave the command 00:09:23.88\00:09:27.36 "Do not do it... " and the reality is, Dr. Lewis, 00:09:27.40\00:09:30.10 if God said it... we got to believe it... 00:09:30.13\00:09:32.00 you got to do it... there's not question about it 00:09:32.04\00:09:34.48 God always knows what's best for us... 00:09:34.51\00:09:36.79 Yes... yes... so Adam and Eve just like we do today... 00:09:36.83\00:09:40.69 sometimes we think we know what's best... 00:09:40.72\00:09:43.19 and the Bible says there was a serpent 00:09:43.22\00:09:45.94 in the Garden... that serpent was, in fact, 00:09:45.98\00:09:48.89 the devil... Satan himself... 00:09:48.92\00:09:50.47 and he tempted Eve... he lured her, so to speak, 00:09:50.50\00:09:53.99 to eat of that apple... or eat of the fruit, rather, 00:09:54.03\00:09:57.24 to eat of that fruit... 00:09:57.27\00:09:58.56 and when they ate the fruit, it wasn't an apple... 00:09:58.60\00:10:01.05 many people believe that it was an apple... 00:10:01.09\00:10:02.24 the Bible doesn't say what it was... 00:10:02.28\00:10:03.65 Right... right... and when they ate that fruit 00:10:03.69\00:10:05.45 then they disobeyed God and that was 00:10:05.48\00:10:07.97 what we call sin... that's when sin came in... 00:10:08.00\00:10:11.16 when they disobeyed God... and from that point forward 00:10:11.20\00:10:14.05 they began to point fingers at one another 00:10:14.08\00:10:16.13 they began to hide from one another, 00:10:16.16\00:10:18.18 they began to accuse one another 00:10:18.21\00:10:20.46 as it relates like... answer the man... 00:10:20.49\00:10:22.94 here we go again... where the man... 00:10:22.97\00:10:25.25 sometimes he hides from his responsibilities... 00:10:25.29\00:10:28.38 that God has given him... but I love the fact, Dr. Lewis, 00:10:28.41\00:10:32.08 that God came looking for Adam... 00:10:32.12\00:10:35.22 Ah... God did not give up on Adam, 00:10:35.25\00:10:38.32 even though Adam messed up... 00:10:38.35\00:10:41.08 God still was there for Adam... 00:10:41.11\00:10:43.75 and I think that's a good point for all men that's watching 00:10:43.78\00:10:46.15 this right now... understand that 00:10:46.19\00:10:47.69 no matter what you've done in the past... 00:10:47.73\00:10:49.33 no matter what's happened... 00:10:49.36\00:10:50.56 over the course of history... 00:10:50.59\00:10:53.02 or even no matter what's happening 00:10:53.06\00:10:54.21 even in our Society... if we submit ourselves to God, 00:10:54.24\00:10:57.82 God will be there for us, every step of the way... 00:10:57.85\00:11:01.39 God came looking for Adam... and I think 00:11:01.43\00:11:03.83 that's powerful right there, 00:11:03.87\00:11:05.36 God comes looking for Adam... 00:11:05.39\00:11:06.82 we know that God will look for us... as well in 2012. 00:11:06.85\00:11:10.78 Yes... that's such a powerful point because 00:11:10.81\00:11:13.25 when we mess up... whether you're male or female 00:11:13.29\00:11:16.82 when you mess up... that fact that God seeks us out 00:11:16.86\00:11:20.36 it's such an amazing thing... 00:11:20.39\00:11:22.10 the creator of the universe wants to know us... 00:11:22.13\00:11:25.75 as the Psalmist says, 00:11:25.79\00:11:27.85 "What is man, that thou art mindful of him? 00:11:27.88\00:11:29.94 and the son of man, that thou visitest him?" 00:11:29.97\00:11:32.52 Who are we... that God would want to have 00:11:32.56\00:11:35.08 fellowship with us and yet... 00:11:35.11\00:11:37.17 God sought out Adam because 00:11:37.20\00:11:39.81 He wanted restored fellowship 00:11:39.85\00:11:42.38 Hmmm... hmmm... God wanted restored fellowship 00:11:42.42\00:11:44.97 with Adam... and I think... 00:11:45.01\00:11:46.37 an important point too from what you're saying... 00:11:46.40\00:11:50.24 is that... when we go astray, when we make a mistake 00:11:50.28\00:11:54.08 we can come back... there's nothing 00:11:54.12\00:11:56.48 that anyone has done that is too serious... 00:11:56.52\00:11:59.82 for God to not forgive... 00:11:59.86\00:12:02.33 God will forgive every mistake... 00:12:02.37\00:12:06.16 every sin that we commit, God will forgive... 00:12:06.19\00:12:09.89 and He seeks us out... for that... 00:12:09.93\00:12:12.42 one of the things that we also need to talk about 00:12:12.45\00:12:16.99 is the role 00:12:17.02\00:12:20.43 that men are supposed to play 00:12:20.46\00:12:22.43 in the household... are they supposed to be 00:12:22.46\00:12:24.94 domineering over the woman, according to the Bible 00:12:24.97\00:12:27.82 or are they supposed to... you know because... 00:12:27.85\00:12:30.67 God did come looking for the man... 00:12:30.70\00:12:32.98 so, how does the woman fit into... 00:12:33.02\00:12:35.26 the whole paradigm here? 00:12:35.30\00:12:37.12 Okay... sure it was... the first part of that is 00:12:37.16\00:12:40.65 by no means is the man to be domineering, so to speak, 00:12:40.69\00:12:44.64 over the wife or not... 00:12:44.68\00:12:47.04 but the reality is that 00:12:47.07\00:12:49.37 God did call the man, Adam, to be the protector... 00:12:49.40\00:12:52.43 he called Adam to be 00:12:52.46\00:12:54.14 the Priest of the home 00:12:54.17\00:12:55.78 so the Bible says in Ephesians Chapter 5... 00:12:55.82\00:12:58.44 that husbands are to love their wife 00:12:58.48\00:13:01.89 as Christ loved the Church, Hmmm... Hmmm... 00:13:01.93\00:13:04.46 and that women are to submit themselves 00:13:04.50\00:13:07.25 to their husbands as unto God... so... 00:13:07.28\00:13:09.55 There's that word now, you know some women 00:13:09.58\00:13:11.64 are going to balk at that... 00:13:11.68\00:13:13.73 but submission does not mean that you are just 00:13:13.77\00:13:17.64 a doormat... correct? 00:13:17.67\00:13:20.62 Right, yeah by no means does it mean that at all... 00:13:20.65\00:13:22.86 but here's what the Bible says though 00:13:22.90\00:13:24.59 it says that they submit... as unto God... 00:13:24.62\00:13:27.57 so, the reality is that if the husband is to feel 00:13:27.61\00:13:32.78 what the spirit of God... and is showing the character 00:13:32.81\00:13:38.30 of God... and he's being just like God... 00:13:38.33\00:13:41.05 really, the woman would have no problems submitting 00:13:41.08\00:13:43.72 because the husband's doing 00:13:43.75\00:13:45.71 all that he's been called to do 00:13:45.74\00:13:47.63 and that's what God really wants... 00:13:47.67\00:13:49.64 for the man and the woman to be as one... 00:13:49.67\00:13:53.23 as the Bible says in Genesis 00:13:53.27\00:13:54.66 once again... He brought them together 00:13:54.69\00:13:56.01 they were to be one flesh... 00:13:56.04\00:13:58.06 Yes, yes... very interesting you know... 00:13:58.10\00:14:00.25 when you think about Jesus and His walk here... 00:14:00.28\00:14:05.21 and again... how He was portrayed... 00:14:05.25\00:14:07.97 many times we don't see him as a manly man... 00:14:08.01\00:14:12.03 He was often portrayed as weak... or weepy... 00:14:12.07\00:14:15.68 or... what do you think about the portrayal of Jesus 00:14:15.72\00:14:19.27 by the media... 00:14:19.30\00:14:20.83 movies and books and things... 00:14:20.87\00:14:22.98 what do you think about how He's been portrayed? 00:14:23.02\00:14:25.02 Yeah... that's a good point I think you're right on it... 00:14:25.06\00:14:28.75 that sometimes... especially in our churches 00:14:28.78\00:14:31.63 that we've kind of 00:14:31.66\00:14:33.43 feminized Jesus 00:14:33.46\00:14:35.16 and we have even feminized the Gospel 00:14:35.20\00:14:37.23 Hmmm... 00:14:37.26\00:14:38.45 simply... kind of meaning of this 00:14:38.48\00:14:39.80 that men and women are... they're wired differently... 00:14:39.84\00:14:43.43 and Church services especially in the Black context 00:14:43.47\00:14:47.09 I mean... Church is emotional, if there's a call 00:14:47.12\00:14:50.71 and a response... the preacher... 00:14:50.75\00:14:52.38 I get up and say, "Say Amen.. " 00:14:52.41\00:14:53.97 we want people to respond... sometimes, men are just 00:14:54.01\00:14:59.81 wired differently... they don't show emotion 00:14:59.84\00:15:03.03 in public sometimes... and even when it comes to 00:15:03.07\00:15:06.23 Jesus... we have this, you know... 00:15:06.26\00:15:08.47 of course the Bible is absolutely correct 00:15:08.51\00:15:10.42 in choosing that term... but we see that Jesus 00:15:10.46\00:15:14.03 when He was in a temple and they were buying and selling 00:15:14.06\00:15:20.21 inside the temple... we saw another side of Jesus 00:15:20.24\00:15:22.95 when He began to overthrow the money changers 00:15:22.99\00:15:25.66 and got the whip in... and told them 00:15:25.70\00:15:27.75 to get out of "my Father's house" 00:15:27.79\00:15:29.40 we call it the "House of Prayer" 00:15:29.44\00:15:30.98 this is a totally different side of Jesus 00:15:31.02\00:15:33.36 this is the side of Jesus that men 00:15:33.39\00:15:34.81 especially can identify with because... 00:15:34.84\00:15:37.27 Jesus is not just letting people walk over Him... 00:15:37.31\00:15:40.70 walk over Him... you know... He's standing up 00:15:40.74\00:15:43.25 and being a man... Jesus was a carpenter 00:15:43.28\00:15:46.00 carpenters are not weak and wimpy men... 00:15:46.04\00:15:48.69 and I think that in our Churches that we would do well 00:15:48.73\00:15:50.83 to present Jesus as a strong man... 00:15:50.86\00:15:54.99 as a man that can identify with other men... 00:15:55.02\00:15:58.55 a man that was... Pharisees came after Him... 00:15:58.58\00:16:01.41 almost every day of His life... He had problems 00:16:01.45\00:16:04.24 just like the Black man has today... 00:16:04.28\00:16:06.65 but when Jesus teaches us is that 00:16:06.69\00:16:09.62 we can overcome... we can stand firm 00:16:09.66\00:16:12.69 we can stand in His power... my father... he saw me 00:16:12.73\00:16:15.48 from a little age... my father, you know, 00:16:15.51\00:16:18.23 was a strong Black man... he said, 00:16:18.26\00:16:20.22 "Son, there is nothing more powerful 00:16:20.26\00:16:22.15 than a Black man 00:16:22.18\00:16:23.44 that knows the Lord... " 00:16:23.48\00:16:24.85 Hmmm... and what he was trying tell me 00:16:24.88\00:16:27.41 is that we can lift our head up high 00:16:27.45\00:16:29.91 we can recognize that "if God be for us... 00:16:29.94\00:16:32.40 no one can be against us" 00:16:32.43\00:16:34.12 that we don't have to settle 00:16:34.15\00:16:35.77 to Society's depiction of who we are... 00:16:35.80\00:16:39.15 who we're supposed to be, because our identity 00:16:39.18\00:16:41.58 can be found in Jesus... and for that... 00:16:41.62\00:16:44.26 I'm very much grateful... 00:16:44.30\00:16:45.40 Amen... you know... when you tell your children 00:16:45.44\00:16:50.31 your sons... to be like Jesus... and then there's a 00:16:50.35\00:16:55.19 feminized kind of version of Him... 00:16:55.23\00:16:57.06 you want your son to identify with a strong man... 00:16:57.09\00:17:02.09 and so, I see what you're saying that we have done that 00:17:02.13\00:17:06.90 and I think... and because the church is 00:17:06.94\00:17:09.55 female dominant... there are so many more women 00:17:09.59\00:17:12.58 than men in the Churches... and in Schools... 00:17:12.61\00:17:15.57 you know, you have female teachers... 00:17:15.60\00:17:17.02 you have more female teachers than men... 00:17:17.06\00:17:18.41 and then the homes... children are raised by females 00:17:18.44\00:17:23.74 more than by two-parent households 00:17:23.77\00:17:25.83 so, we can... tend to... 00:17:25.86\00:17:28.62 distort the image again 00:17:28.66\00:17:31.35 of Jesus Christ... and we have to be careful 00:17:31.39\00:17:33.82 of that in our homes... to make Jesus 00:17:33.86\00:17:36.88 the strong man that He really was... 00:17:36.91\00:17:39.90 as depicted in the Word... 00:17:39.94\00:17:41.56 I'm going to switch gears on you now... 00:17:41.59\00:17:44.42 Okay... with some of the... 00:17:44.45\00:17:46.16 again the... challenges that Black men face 00:17:46.19\00:17:50.15 such as sexual temptation, 00:17:50.18\00:17:52.44 let's talk a bit about that... because we know that again... 00:17:52.47\00:17:56.58 the music... the films... all of these things 00:17:56.62\00:17:59.54 and these things are not just relegated to Black men... 00:17:59.58\00:18:04.22 this is a temptation across the board... 00:18:04.25\00:18:06.75 sexual temptation is an issue across the Board... 00:18:06.79\00:18:09.53 speak to that for us, if you would, 00:18:09.57\00:18:12.56 Yeah... this is absolutely unbelievable 00:18:12.60\00:18:15.90 the pressures that men are under... 00:18:15.94\00:18:19.18 especially as it relates to purity... sexual purity... 00:18:19.21\00:18:22.44 I'm doing a series right now in my Church 00:18:22.47\00:18:25.68 I call it the "Samson Syndrome" 00:18:25.72\00:18:27.98 Ah... if you look at Samson... 00:18:28.01\00:18:30.20 you see that Samson made poor decision 00:18:30.23\00:18:33.47 after poor decision... and Samson... he had... 00:18:33.51\00:18:36.67 just like Adam, so to speak, he fell to women 00:18:36.70\00:18:39.96 time and time again... Adam gave in to Eve... 00:18:40.00\00:18:43.19 and we see Samson gives in to... he marries a prostitute... 00:18:43.23\00:18:47.15 he goes down to Timnah... then Delilah comes into his life 00:18:47.19\00:18:51.08 men face this tremendous 00:18:51.11\00:18:54.65 challenge not only to be faithful to themselves 00:18:54.68\00:18:58.00 but also being faithful to their spouses as well... 00:18:58.04\00:19:01.96 and this is something that we need to talk more about 00:19:01.99\00:19:04.78 in the Church... we preached this past weekend... 00:19:04.82\00:19:07.57 we talked about... so many times 00:19:07.61\00:19:10.08 that the devil puts in lure in front of us... 00:19:10.11\00:19:13.36 and if we are not careful the Bible says 00:19:13.39\00:19:15.21 in 1 Corinthians 10 verse 12... "Be careful lest you think 00:19:15.24\00:19:19.02 that you stand... lest you fall... " 00:19:19.06\00:19:21.05 Hmmm... hmmm... and so many... 00:19:21.09\00:19:23.29 if you look around in Society, there are so many of our 00:19:23.32\00:19:25.73 leaders... so many of our politicians 00:19:25.76\00:19:29.33 preachers and the like... 00:19:29.36\00:19:30.72 that are going down because of sexual temptation, 00:19:30.76\00:19:34.16 even through the internet I mean, you will be amazed... 00:19:34.19\00:19:37.95 our viewers will be amazed 00:19:37.99\00:19:39.53 on just even on the social media outlets... 00:19:39.57\00:19:43.04 on how our children are being exposed to pornography... 00:19:43.07\00:19:46.47 being exposed to... just all types of sexual sins... 00:19:46.51\00:19:50.61 and what the devil has done is that 00:19:50.64\00:19:51.97 he's trying to hook them at such a young age... 00:19:52.01\00:19:55.19 and when they get hooked young then they face 00:19:55.24\00:19:58.27 this challenge that often times men don't talk about 00:19:58.30\00:20:02.50 but they carry around... this burden or this guilt 00:20:02.54\00:20:05.97 for such a long time, and they don't even feel as if 00:20:06.01\00:20:09.30 they can talk about it... because it's been taboo, 00:20:09.34\00:20:12.60 so to speak, in our churches for so long 00:20:12.64\00:20:15.24 but we must address these issues 00:20:15.28\00:20:18.38 because if our family is going to be strengthened... 00:20:18.42\00:20:20.04 then we've got to... so to speak, 00:20:20.08\00:20:22.20 we got to pour stuff out of the closet 00:20:22.24\00:20:24.26 so that God can deal with us so that we can be whole 00:20:24.29\00:20:28.11 the way that God wants us to be... 00:20:28.15\00:20:29.78 Absolutely... we cannot... and that's so true... 00:20:29.81\00:20:33.29 we can't just sweep it under the rug 00:20:33.33\00:20:35.09 and act as though it doesn't exist... 00:20:35.13\00:20:37.14 Right... it does exist and thankfully 00:20:37.18\00:20:39.13 in an upcoming segment, on Urban Report... 00:20:39.16\00:20:42.68 I'm planning to interview Brother Raymond King 00:20:42.72\00:20:45.89 who has written about sex and the church... 00:20:45.93\00:20:49.34 and a life on the down-low and all of that... 00:20:49.37\00:20:52.28 as it pertains spiritually, because this is a 00:20:52.32\00:20:55.19 spiritual battle... It sure is... 00:20:55.23\00:20:57.19 this is a spiritual battle... Satan finds a weak point 00:20:57.22\00:21:01.13 and then... 00:21:01.17\00:21:02.36 those are the places that he goes for... 00:21:02.40\00:21:04.19 and for many... sexual sin... is a weak point 00:21:04.22\00:21:07.51 so, that is, Satan knows which buttons 00:21:07.54\00:21:10.81 to push... so that's a big button 00:21:10.85\00:21:12.88 that he pushes... Absolutely... and men are 00:21:12.91\00:21:15.42 extremely visual... I mean... all we have to do is 00:21:15.45\00:21:18.68 just see the image... and we're just like Adam... 00:21:18.72\00:21:22.06 we're like Samson... we go directly toward it... 00:21:22.09\00:21:25.40 and eloquent Job said... Job said... 00:21:25.43\00:21:28.01 in Job 31 verse 1... the Bible says that 00:21:28.05\00:21:30.36 Job made a covenant with his eyes... 00:21:30.40\00:21:33.02 not to look lustfully at a woman... 00:21:33.05\00:21:35.04 Yes... I think that's a covenant 00:21:35.07\00:21:37.07 that we as men... we have to make... 00:21:37.10\00:21:39.02 not just once... we got to be mindful 00:21:39.06\00:21:42.67 that we are human... that we have weaknesses 00:21:42.71\00:21:46.28 and to be on guard against the attacks 00:21:46.32\00:21:49.80 and the wiles of the enemy... 00:21:49.83\00:21:51.59 Absolutely... and to stay grounded in the Word 00:21:51.63\00:21:54.76 and to keep that relationship with Jesus Christ... 00:21:54.80\00:21:57.90 a lot of times... if you are engaged in any 00:21:57.94\00:22:00.31 kind of sin... whether it's sexual sin... 00:22:00.35\00:22:03.07 any kind of sin... that pulls you away... 00:22:03.11\00:22:05.46 your appetite changes... and you no longer 00:22:05.49\00:22:07.78 desire the Word... so you have to force yourself 00:22:07.81\00:22:11.13 actually... you have to turn your will over 00:22:11.16\00:22:13.70 to God and say, "Okay, I don't really feel like 00:22:13.74\00:22:16.24 doing this... but I'm going to do it 00:22:16.27\00:22:18.44 because that's the only way I can be fixed... " 00:22:18.48\00:22:20.44 is if I spend time... in your presence... 00:22:20.47\00:22:23.38 we again... here at Dare to Dream 00:22:23.42\00:22:25.45 praise the Lord... we have a Program 00:22:25.48\00:22:27.45 for sexual purity... it's called "Pure Choices" 00:22:27.48\00:22:30.77 where we look at all these different issues... 00:22:30.80\00:22:33.96 and some very sensitive issues 00:22:34.00\00:22:36.35 but they have to be addressed... 00:22:36.39\00:22:38.67 another issue that has to be addressed... 00:22:38.71\00:22:41.52 and I know our time is running out... but 00:22:41.55\00:22:44.29 but another issue that we really need to look at 00:22:44.33\00:22:46.50 is fatherlessness... Hmmm... hmmm... 00:22:46.53\00:22:48.75 in our homes... what effect has fatherlessness 00:22:48.78\00:22:51.67 had on our young men... 00:22:51.70\00:22:53.54 I mean... it's absolutely tremendous 00:22:53.57\00:22:57.13 every boy longs to have a male in their background... 00:22:57.17\00:23:04.42 I don't care who you are... especially as a Black youth... 00:23:04.45\00:23:08.67 I mean... we long to have somebody in our corner 00:23:08.71\00:23:11.23 cheering us on... telling us, "good job" 00:23:11.27\00:23:13.54 and when he's not there... we always seek that 00:23:13.57\00:23:16.05 from another man... that's one of the main reasons 00:23:16.09\00:23:18.34 why young people... especially our young Black boys 00:23:18.37\00:23:20.59 join gangs... just so that they can have a 00:23:20.62\00:23:23.00 sense of family... a sense of belonging... 00:23:23.04\00:23:24.91 so somebody can be in their corner... 00:23:24.95\00:23:26.75 kind of being there for them, and fatherlessness is 00:23:26.78\00:23:31.39 it's just another attack of the enemy to break 00:23:31.43\00:23:35.51 down the family... Hmmm... 00:23:35.54\00:23:37.82 I thank God... I should have said... 00:23:37.85\00:23:39.98 I thank God that I came from 00:23:40.01\00:23:41.60 a home with two parents... two Christian parents... 00:23:41.64\00:23:44.28 and a strong father that took time... 00:23:44.32\00:23:47.12 he worked almost all day long... but he always took time 00:23:47.16\00:23:50.99 for our family... I can remember, Dr. Lewis, 00:23:51.02\00:23:54.69 many times... my bedroom was right next to 00:23:54.72\00:23:58.32 the driveway and at night... I just had a sense of 00:23:58.36\00:24:04.30 of un-peacefulness... it just was not... 00:24:04.34\00:24:06.99 I wasn't so secure as I could have been 00:24:07.03\00:24:09.61 until I heard my father's car pull in the driveway... 00:24:09.65\00:24:13.95 Ah... and when I heard my father 00:24:13.98\00:24:15.99 pull in the driveway... when I heard that 00:24:16.02\00:24:18.29 backdoor open... from my bedroom... 00:24:18.33\00:24:19.89 I thought to myself... "Ah... now, I can go to sleep... 00:24:19.93\00:24:24.06 now... I'm at peace because I know Dad is home... " 00:24:24.09\00:24:28.18 and so many times... our young people 00:24:28.22\00:24:30.37 especially our young Black boys they are not getting that... 00:24:30.41\00:24:32.93 mom is there... grandma is there... 00:24:32.96\00:24:35.20 our aunt is there... and yes... you know... 00:24:35.24\00:24:36.93 there are many fathers, I don't want to discredit that, 00:24:36.96\00:24:38.68 but the reality is that there are so many 00:24:38.71\00:24:41.58 of our young boys who are going to bed 00:24:41.62\00:24:44.45 without that sense of security 00:24:44.49\00:24:47.06 Yes... and the cycle continues 00:24:47.10\00:24:49.60 to repeat itself... which... we have to break 00:24:49.63\00:24:52.36 that cycle right now... 00:24:52.40\00:24:53.57 Absolutely... our children need their fathers... 00:24:53.61\00:24:57.23 they need their fathers... 00:24:57.26\00:24:58.69 they need for their fathers 00:24:58.72\00:25:00.07 to be a part of their lives... 00:25:00.11\00:25:02.15 and to step up to the plate 00:25:02.18\00:25:04.50 and to be fathers to them... 00:25:04.53\00:25:06.81 not just sire... babies... but fathers and parents... 00:25:06.85\00:25:10.47 That's right... 00:25:10.50\00:25:11.91 Pastor... I have so enjoyed this our time has flown by... 00:25:11.94\00:25:16.56 Wow... I know... I know... 00:25:16.60\00:25:18.96 the time has just flown by... 00:25:18.99\00:25:20.46 and I just thank you so much 00:25:20.50\00:25:21.90 for your input... you are a host of 00:25:21.94\00:25:25.11 "For Guys Only" Hmmm... hmmm... 00:25:25.14\00:25:26.73 tell us quickly, if you would, what do we have to look 00:25:26.77\00:25:30.55 forward to... you have about a minute to tell us 00:25:30.58\00:25:32.75 what do we have to look forward to... 00:25:32.78\00:25:35.05 with "For Guys Only" 00:25:35.09\00:25:36.54 Okay, let me say... first of all... 00:25:36.58\00:25:38.88 we are specifically and unapologetically 00:25:38.92\00:25:42.59 talking to the Urban Man... 00:25:42.63\00:25:44.72 we're dealing with episodes with finances... 00:25:44.76\00:25:47.61 getting your money right... 00:25:47.65\00:25:48.76 we're talking about... fatherlessness... 00:25:48.80\00:25:50.53 we're talking about being a mentor... 00:25:50.56\00:25:52.87 for somebody else... we recognize that 00:25:52.90\00:25:55.17 there are a lot of successful Black men 00:25:55.20\00:25:57.40 in the world... however you determine "Success" 00:25:57.44\00:26:00.47 but the reality is that when you have been blessed... 00:26:00.51\00:26:03.07 you've been called to be a blessing to somebody else 00:26:03.10\00:26:05.62 so... we're talking about being a mentor... 00:26:05.66\00:26:07.15 we're talking about looking out for another Brother 00:26:07.19\00:26:09.50 as well... we're talking about 00:26:09.53\00:26:10.96 this whole success thing... not just falling to 00:26:11.00\00:26:15.70 societal norms but being higher... 00:26:15.74\00:26:18.48 we are talking about daring to dream... 00:26:18.52\00:26:20.42 All right... all right... 00:26:20.45\00:26:21.92 we want men to dream and to think big... 00:26:21.95\00:26:24.19 and to think large... think the way that God 00:26:24.22\00:26:26.35 wants us to think... but we're cheerleading... 00:26:26.38\00:26:28.48 we're not going to tear men down 00:26:28.51\00:26:29.81 but we're going to be in your corner 00:26:29.85\00:26:31.40 to cheer you on... to say that, 00:26:31.44\00:26:32.93 "If God be for you... no one else can be against you" 00:26:32.96\00:26:35.85 and "if any man be in Christ he is a new creature... 00:26:35.88\00:26:38.73 old things are passed away, behold all things 00:26:38.77\00:26:42.06 become brand new... " so... dare to dream 00:26:42.09\00:26:44.98 to be all that God wants you to be... 00:26:45.01\00:26:47.86 Amen... thank you so much... 00:26:47.89\00:26:50.08 we're just so blessed to have you... 00:26:50.11\00:26:52.71 and have you as our host for "For Guys Only" 00:26:52.74\00:26:55.06 thank you so much for being with us today 00:26:55.09\00:26:57.37 on Urban Report... 00:26:57.40\00:26:58.66 We know that God has a special plan for each of us... 00:26:58.70\00:27:02.71 now what I'm going to say may not be politically correct 00:27:02.74\00:27:06.70 but that's okay... God expects the men... 00:27:06.73\00:27:09.51 to step up to the plate and be accountable... 00:27:09.54\00:27:12.28 to be the protectors and providers 00:27:12.32\00:27:14.50 for their households... indeed to be present 00:27:14.54\00:27:17.22 in the household... Pastor Lee stated that 00:27:17.26\00:27:19.91 God sought out the man in the Garden 00:27:19.95\00:27:22.14 to be accountable to Him... there are definite roles 00:27:22.17\00:27:25.56 for husbands to play within the home... 00:27:25.60\00:27:27.82 our older men and women should mentor 00:27:27.85\00:27:30.10 the younger men and women, and teach them 00:27:30.13\00:27:32.27 what God expects... and how to implement it 00:27:32.30\00:27:34.40 within the home and community... 00:27:34.44\00:27:36.19 in our effort to be equal and with spiritual decline, 00:27:36.22\00:27:39.88 we've lost our way... we've mystified our roles 00:27:39.91\00:27:43.17 in the household... I pray that we will seek 00:27:43.21\00:27:45.85 God's original plan for men and women... 00:27:45.88\00:27:48.45 Well, we've come to the end of another episode 00:27:48.49\00:27:51.60 of Urban Report... please join us next time 00:27:51.64\00:27:54.68 because you know... it just wouldn't be the same 00:27:54.72\00:27:58.22 without you... 00:27:58.25\00:28:01.49