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>>TY: Well, guys, the
Protestant reformation was
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founded on a series of
principles or discoveries or
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ideas that became very
prominent in defining the way
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forward for the reformation,
and these are oftentimes
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referred to as the 5 solas.
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And we're gonna move through
each one of them in the next
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five programs in this
Protestant reformation series
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and the first one
is sola scriptura.
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Sola scriptura.
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This is the bible alone as
the basis of faith and practice,
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for formulating doctrine, but
it's more than just, hey, the
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bible alone is our rule of
faith and practice, it's more
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than that.
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It's the bible alone is our
rule of faith and practice and
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you have access to it and you
have access to it and you have
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access to it, so let's
collaborate, let's all study
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the bible, let's compare
notes, and as we all, the
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whole body of Christ, studies
the bible and has equal access
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to it, there's going to
be a richer theology and
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perspective
that's going to emerge.
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It's kind of that thing I
brought up the other day from
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Plato where he said, wherever
you have free human beings,
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wherever you have democracy,
you have the greatest variety
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of human beings that
will develop in that society.
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>>DAVID: That's
such a cool concept.
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I love it.
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>>TY: And it essentially says
that freedom brings out each
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person's uniqueness.
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So, for example, we hit
around this table and we have a
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discussion, you have four
minds, four perspectives, each
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one of us sees things that
the other doesn't see, but each
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one of us has the privilege
of taking on board the other
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person's perspective, which
then has the opportunity to do
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one of two things, either
change my perspective by yours
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because, oh, I hadn't seen it
from that angle before, that's
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a superior line of logic,
oh, I didn't see those bible
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verses before, I
never made that connection.
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So, I can change my
position, I can grow in my
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understanding, or secondly,
without changing my position,
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because it doesn't need to
be changed on this particular
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point, for example, my view
of that particular point can be
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expanded and deepened so that
I can actually understand what
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I'm talking about more clearly.
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So, what a beautiful thing
that sola scriptura gives all
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of us access to the bible and
it gives us a common source of
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authority between us.
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So, Jeffrey, you're not the
authority, you don't tell me
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what I'm going to believe.
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You and I, you and I have
the same source of authority, so
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you need to show me from here.
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I need to show you from here.
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There's a brilliance to that.
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>>DAVID: What I love about
it is the democratizing of the
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spiritual reality, the thing
that we talked about in our
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last session, this idea that
there is now this priesthood
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of all believers, this
interconnect, hey, what do you
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have to say?
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What do I have to say?
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Reminds me of this amazing
statement, one of my favorites
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from the Reverend JA
Wiley, who was a Protestant
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historian, and he has
this simple line, so simple and
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yet, so profoundly beautiful.
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He says that the noon of the
papacy was the midnight of the
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world.
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Right, that idea is so
profoundly expressed that when
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things were going great
for the Roman church, in the
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medieval period, it was
not a time that was great for
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everybody else, but the word,
thy word is a lamp to my feet
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and a light to my path.
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When that light began to
shine, not just in the Latin
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language to the priestly
class, but when it began to
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shine on others, all of a
sudden, the darkness begins to
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dispel and this concept of
sitting down at the table and
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discussing and opening
scripture for ourselves and
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reading and saying,
what does that mean?
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Wrestling with the text.
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Wrestling with the text.
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The sacred, beautiful vocation
of interpreting the text,
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wrestling with the text, not
understanding the text, being
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sometimes confused and then
encouraged by the text, all of
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that is this whole new
reality that comes about when
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scripture
becomes widely available.
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We've talked about the role
the printing press played in
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that, of course, the first
book to be published on the
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moveable type printing
press was the New Testament.
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Right, that was the thing,
get the bible into the hands of
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the people.
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There wouldn't have been a
Luther as we know him now if
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there hadn't been a printing
press to get his ideas out and
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if you take and you just bring
all of Luther's ideas back in
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terms of his content, all the
things he said over the course
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of his life, early Luther,
mid Luther, and late Luther, the
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foundation upon which he
was standing, the thing that he
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was saying and the thing that
ultimately brought the noon of
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the papacy to a halt was
this two word concept of sola
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scriptura.
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Right?
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When he's protesting there
or when he's testifying there,
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standing there at the Diet
of Worms, he says, don't talk to
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me about the counsels and
the church fathers and the popes
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and the priests, he says, for
these have often been shown to
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contradict themselves.
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If I cannot be persuaded by
the clearest reasoning or by
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the passages which I have
quoted, I'm gonna stand here.
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So, thus is born, practically,
as a methodology, scripture.
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>>JEFFERY: Because he
says scripture and good reason.
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Those two coupled together.
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I think that also the
ripple effects with this whole
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priesthood of all believers,
equal access, sola scriptura,
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is that now when they begin
to publish their own works,
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Luther publishes
in the German now.
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In the German vernacular, right?
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And so, even just the approach
to publishing is theologically
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driven, whereas, we were
talking about Tetzel coming
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into town and is the one
promoting and advertising the
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sale of indulgences and I was
reading this study where they
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were basically, they
were comparing the different
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publications that the Catholic
church was putting out and
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that Luther was producing.
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And they were showing who was
publishing in the vernacular.
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And so, Luther comes
first, publishes in German, and
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Tetzel responds and publishes
also in the vernacular.
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And then Luther responds,
and the more they go down,
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eventually, Tetzel recedes
back to the Latin, to the
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Ecclesiastic Latin, and
Luther just goes [whooshing]
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Just eats it all up, right?
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He just wipes the floor with
him because there's just this
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whole different framework
and worldview, now the common
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person is reading and
has access to these things
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whereas, before, only
through mediators, like we were
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saying.
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And even further than
that is the concept of, it even
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trickles down to liturgy
and to worship, because now, one
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of the distinguishing factors
in the Protestant churches is
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now there's congregational
singing, for the first time.
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>>DAVID: Now we're all
singing, not just the priest.
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>>JEFFERY: Yeah, so, now, you
walk into a Protestant church
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and that's one of the ways,
you know, early 16th century,
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you know you're in
a Protestant church if
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everybody's singing.
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>>DAVID: So, you have
again the democratization of the
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priesthood.
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It's powerful.
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Jeffrey, where's that, you had
that amazing quotation there,
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are you gonna read about it
at some point here about the
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common man?
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The common man is thinking now
because one of the things that
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you have, while you're looking
for that, one of the things
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that you have with the advent
of the printing press and the
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availability of information,
it's not only a theological
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reality of a social,
psychological revolution
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that's taking place, where
now access to information is not
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just for the elite.
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Not just for the aristocracy.
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This is where the whole
concept of the middle class
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comes from.
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You have the emergence not
only of a theological middle
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class, you have the emergence
of an economic and educational
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middle class, because now,
it's not just the elite that
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can afford books and
have access to education.
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You have this class that's not
just the rulers or the ruled,
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but this middle class,
something that we take for
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granted.
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It's a revolutionary idea.
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>>JEFFERY: So, the words
that he, the quote you're
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alluding to is in this piece
that Luther wrote in 1520, I
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believe, it's called on
temporal authority, and this
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is where Luther basically
applies this concept, a
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priesthood of all believers to
how does the state function in
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relation to the church and
where does the Christian fit
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in all of this?
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So, there's this quote
where he says, the common man is
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learning to think and
the scourge of princes is
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gathering force among the
mob and with the common man, I
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fear that there will be
no way to avert it unless the
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princes conduct
themselves in a princely manner.
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And then, he says this,
men will not, men cannot, men
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refuse to endure your tyranny
and want in this much longer.
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The world is no longer what
it once was when you hunted and
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drove people like game.
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Abandon your wicked use of
force, and then he says, let
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God's word have its way as it
will anyway and it must and it
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shall and you cannot prevent
it, so I think that one of
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the powerful ripple effects
of this concept is the way it
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empowered the individual.
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So, now the individual says,
wait a second, I don't have to
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be subject to tyranny,
to coercion, to control...
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>>DAVID: Of the
religious or the civil stripe.
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>>JEFFERY: Of any power
structure, because now I've
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been liberated by being
granted direct access to
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scripture and
direct access to God.
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>>DAVID: The common
man is beginning to think.
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That is the emergence of
an educational, professional,
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social middle class.
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I remember, I have this
documentary on Luther, it's
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actually a secular
documentary, I think it was
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produced by NPR or
something, not NPR, but PBS.
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It's a 3-part series and in
there, one of the things that
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is most amazing, again, it
has no religious agenda, it's
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telling the story of Luther
from a historical perspective.
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And one of the things that
they bring up again and again
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in there are these, you know,
top, world class historians,
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they're saying, what Luther
did was unthinkable, it was
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just a whole new way of
thinking about reality, wait a
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minute.
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Individual conscience.
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I am not going to do
what you tell me to do.
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I'm going to resist, and then
people just started to follow
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Luther's example.
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Hey, wait a minute, he can
do something that is proprietary
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Luther's, I can say no.
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>>TY: I really liked the
part of that statement that you
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read, Jeffrey, didn't he say
something there to the effect
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of, the word of God is
gonna do what it's gonna do.
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It's gonna do what it's gonna
do and you better get with the
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program, princes better start
acting in a princely manner,
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because you can't continue
with these abuses of people
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because they've had enough
of it and they're gonna rise up
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against it.
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You're gonna produce
insurrection, rebellion,
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revolution, and it's
gonna be a blood bath.
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He's warning that there is
something that has been set in
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motion and you
can't turn it back.
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Well, somebody asked me, just
yesterday, in fact, they said,
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hey, if Luther had not stepped
on the scene and had done what
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he had done, what he
did, would we not have the
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Protestant reformation
or would somebody else have
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stepped onto the stage?
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I said, the world
was at a tipping point.
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If it wasn't Luther, it was
gonna be somebody else, it was
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inevitable.
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He was the match, but
there was, before him, there was
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Wycliffe, there was Huss,
there was Tyndale and there
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were others after him.
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Take Luther out of the
equation and it would've had a
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little bit of a different
configuration, a little bit of
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a different personality,
but the world was done with
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tyranny and dominance and
something was at a tipping
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point, it was gonna, man, all
hell was gonna break loose one
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way or another against
all of this abuse of power.
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>>JEFFERY: We know
contemporary to Luther, we had
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Zwingli, we had other
individuals who were doing it
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in large part
independent of Luther.
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>>TY: Zwingli even claimed
he was making his discoveries
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independent of Luther, and
then when they said, hey, have
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you seen Luther's stuff?
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And he said, oh, hand it over,
he looked at Luther's stuff
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and he said, ah, this is
exactly what I'm saying, but I
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have not read Luther.
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That's amazing.
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That's amazing because
that tells us that there is some
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knowledge that was out there
that God's Spirit was trying
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to give to human beings and
that it wasn't something that
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you even had to have Luther for.
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>>DAVID: Can I read you a
quotation here from Carlos
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Eire's book, Reformations,
on this very point, how there
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were forerunners to Luther.
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How God was doing something.
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Right, we wanna be careful
that we elevate Luther right
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to the degree that he
deserves to be elevated.
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He's the match, but without
him, God's word is gonna do
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what it's gonna do.
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Listen to this.
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Eire says, for Wycliffe, the
genuine head of the church was
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Christ, not the pope.
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Now, this was
100-150 years before Luther?
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Ish?
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And the supreme guide for
all doctrine, ritual, and ethics
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was the bible.
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Anything that did not square
with scripture, therefore, was
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to be rejected.
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Wycliffe's teachings would
make their way into the hands
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of another academic,
John Huss, 1370-1415, Huss was
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teaching and preaching in
the vein of Wycliffe in Bohemia
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and attracting a large
following, convinced that the
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bible was the ultimate
authority and that the church
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needed to be brought back
into line with Holy Scripture.
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Huss challenged
tradition and church hierarchy.
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>>TY: And got
burned at the stake for it.
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>>DAVID: He got burned at
the, but what you have is, okay,
00:14:06.07\00:14:08.08
this is happening in
Bohemia, this is happening in
00:14:08.08\00:14:10.08
Switzerland, this is
happening in Germany.
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A movement is beginning
to take place where, and I've
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heard you say this, Ty,
Luther was tapping into the
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zeitgeist, the
spirit of the age.
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He was giving voice to
what people were feeling.
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>>TY: People were saying, he
just said what I'm feeling and
00:14:21.19\00:14:26.53
thinking, but I couldn't
articulate it, yeah, he was
00:14:26.53\00:14:31.43
the poet of the time.
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>>JAMES: Check this out.
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Martin Luther lived from
1483-1546, okay, get that
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date.
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Late 1500s to 1546, okay, then
you have Philip Melanchthon,
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who worked with him 1497-1560,
John Calvin 1509-1564.
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Understand, Luther's
1546 is when he passes away.
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So, John Calvin, contemporary.
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Lefurv is in France 1455-1536.
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William Pharaoh
in France 1489-1565.
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Louis De P'quinn
in France 1490-1525.
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Mino Simons in the
Netherlands 1496-1561.
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Jacob Arminius, he's a
little later, so we'll put him a
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little later,
but he's Netherlands.
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Hans Tuscoon,
1495-1561, Denmark.
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Olas and Lereches Petri,
Sweden 1493 and 1499 to 1552,
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1573.
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William Tyndale, remember him?
00:15:27.16\00:15:29.19
1494-1536, England.
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Vladimar, England, same
time, Vladimar, Barnes, Frith,
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Ridley, all
England, same time frame.
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Kramer,
England, same time frame.
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Scotland, Patrick Hamilton,
mid-1500s, he died young, in
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his 30s.
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George Wishard,
Scotland, 1546 is when he died.
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John Nox, remember him?
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Scotland, 1572.
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All of these, Zwingli, of
course, Switzerland, all these
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guys were contemporary with
Martin Luther all over Europe.
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>>TY: And saying the same
thing, essentially, the key
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points.
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It's amazing.
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It's just absolutely astounding.
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This was an
eruption, an upheaval.
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>>JEFFERY: Even beyond this,
we're trying to describe that
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this was the
spirit of the age, right?
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There was a collective
consciousness of people just,
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who are beginning to
have enough of this sort of
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structure.
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We're familiar with the
document, the donation of
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Constantine, which was a
document that was purported to
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give authority to the
pope over vast territories.
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>>DAVID: Supposedly when
Constantine left to go to
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Constantinople in 330, he
turned Rome, here you go, it
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belongs to you now.
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Exactly.
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>>JEFFERY: And so, it wasn't
until around this very time
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that you're describing that...
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>>JAMES: When was it
actually supposedly written?
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>>DAVID: Around the
time of Constantine.
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>>JEFFERY: All the
way back to his time.
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>>DAVID: 1200 years before.
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>>JAMES: But when was it
presented by the church to the
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public?
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Like, right then
or was it like....?
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>>DAVID: I think it's in the
700s, sort of shows up and it
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starts using...
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>>TY: I think they pulled that
thing out about the time that
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they pulled out Pilate's
staircase that somehow ended
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up with Rome.
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>>JEFFERY: There's this fellow
by the name of Lorenzo Valla
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and he is the one who
takes the document and basically
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subjects it to textual
criticism, and then, he
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exposes it as a forgery
and it's this huge, huge thing.
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Happened right
during the time of Luther.
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>>DAVID: Properly published
for the first time in 1517.
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The very year that
Luther is making his testimony.
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>>JEFFERY: Here's
the interesting thing.
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So, I read this article by a
scholar by the name of Richard
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Rex.
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It's an article on humanism
and he points out that not
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only did that document
play a significant role in the
00:17:48.90\00:17:52.83
debates about the papacy at
the time, but Luther himself
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published, in addition of
Lorenzo Valla's work and used
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it in his own
campaign against the pope.
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So, the reason I think that's
very interesting is because it
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makes the point that we're
making and that is that it was
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in the air.
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Different sectors were
already beginning to say, ahhh.
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>>TY: The diabolical gig is up.
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>>DAVID: Because if you have
this document that you've been
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using as an evidence, hey,
look, this was given to us and
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we are the, and then,
that document, at this time, at
00:18:30.17\00:18:33.68
this very time is shown
to be, it's not looking good.
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It's great timing for the
Protestants, and then you have
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the whole printing press
thing, which we've talked
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about.
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So, you have these
various streams that are coming
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together and it was a tinder
box, it was waiting to happen
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and Luther was the
man, he was the matchstick.
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>>TY: Guys, we have to
take a break, but this is pretty
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exciting stuff.
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We'll be right back.
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>>TY: Okay, so there's
another part of this sola
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scriptura idea that I think
is coming out in our discussion,
00:21:27.35\00:21:32.19
but just wanna say it
explicitly and that is that
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the sola scriptura idea not
only says, hey, the bible and
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the bible alone, source of
doctrine, the authority for
00:21:38.73\00:21:43.23
forming theology, but there's
another thing that the sola
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scriptura idea does.
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It confers dignity
upon the individual.
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It says, imagine, just
feel the respect of this.
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Feel the respect of people
in preeminent positions like Dr.
00:22:01.08\00:22:04.15
Martin Luther, saying, here,
to the guy who's out farming.
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Here, I just translated
this for you, this is for you.
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You read this.
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You read this.
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You read this.
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This is for you.
00:22:16.46\00:22:18.13
This is Tyndale coming along,
William Tyndale in England
00:22:18.13\00:22:21.70
comes along and he says,
boldly, to the priests who are
00:22:21.70\00:22:25.61
trying to shut him down, yeah,
he says, I will make a plowboy
00:22:25.61\00:22:31.08
know more of the
bible than you do.
00:22:31.08\00:22:34.72
These guys respond to him
and say something to the effect
00:22:34.72\00:22:38.25
of, young Tyndale, be sure
that you understand that there
00:22:38.25\00:22:41.26
are fires on earth and fires
in hell, be sure that the one
00:22:41.26\00:22:45.03
is not needful to
spare thee the other.
00:22:45.03\00:22:47.30
In other words, you better
stop translating the bible
00:22:47.30\00:22:50.13
into the common language of
the people and if you don't,
00:22:50.13\00:22:53.13
we're gonna burn you on earth
in order to spare you being
00:22:53.13\00:22:57.31
burned by God forever in hell.
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And this guy, in the face
of all of that power maneuver
00:22:59.81\00:23:05.08
against him to shut him down,
says, no, thank you to that
00:23:05.08\00:23:08.92
threat.
00:23:08.92\00:23:10.05
I'm going to go ahead and
translate the bible and I'm
00:23:10.05\00:23:12.72
gonna put it in the hand
of the schoolboy, the plowboy.
00:23:12.72\00:23:15.86
>>DAVID: You can see
the impotence of the threat.
00:23:15.86\00:23:17.66
The threat gets weaker
and weaker as knowledge gets
00:23:17.66\00:23:20.16
greater and greater.
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That would've worked 300, 400,
500 years before when people
00:23:21.33\00:23:24.10
don't have access.
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But now, they're saying, yeah,
but what you're saying isn't
00:23:25.30\00:23:27.60
even in scripture.
00:23:27.60\00:23:28.77
What you're saying, there's
not even a scriptural basis
00:23:28.77\00:23:30.71
for you, for the
church as it exists.
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So, these threats, you can
turn the volume up, you can
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say it louder and you can
say, flames are gonna be really
00:23:36.18\00:23:39.65
hot, yeah, but, I
don't believe you.
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>>JEFFERY: I wanna emphasize
a point we made earlier, too, is
00:23:42.72\00:23:45.12
that you just brought up
another reformer, William
00:23:45.12\00:23:47.29
Tyndale, right?
00:23:47.29\00:23:48.49
But we have reformers and we
have just other people coming
00:23:48.49\00:23:51.63
from totally different
mindsets and schools of
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thought.
00:23:55.56\00:23:56.50
>>DAVID: Like you
mentioned Lorenzo Valla.
00:23:56.50\00:23:57.37
He's not a reformer.
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>>JEFFERY: No, and
they're arriving at very similar
00:23:58.40\00:23:59.77
conclusions.
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For example, if I said
the name Erasmus, right?
00:24:01.07\00:24:04.44
The prince of
the humanists, right?
00:24:04.44\00:24:07.64
We're talking about Tyndale,
we're talking about Luther as
00:24:07.64\00:24:10.85
translating the bible,
but Erasmus translated the New
00:24:10.85\00:24:15.02
Testament, right?
00:24:15.02\00:24:17.35
He went back to the
original text in 1516.
00:24:17.35\00:24:21.69
Rather, he produced a Greek
New Testament and this is what
00:24:21.69\00:24:26.26
Luther will later build on.
00:24:26.26\00:24:28.26
Right, so we have a humanist,
right, who's providing the
00:24:28.26\00:24:33.13
building blocks that
others will also, and this is a
00:24:33.13\00:24:36.47
fascinating, very simple
statement that Erasmus made
00:24:36.47\00:24:41.38
just to emphasize the fact
that other people are saying
00:24:41.38\00:24:44.35
the same thing, he writes
about the popes of Rome, he
00:24:44.35\00:24:47.75
says, the pretend themselves
Christ's vicar if they would
00:24:47.75\00:24:51.39
but imitate his life.
00:24:51.39\00:24:53.66
So, we have other people who
are recognizing the same thing
00:24:53.66\00:24:58.83
that Luther and the
others are recognizing.
00:24:58.83\00:25:01.20
Another person said that
Erasmus laid the egg that
00:25:01.20\00:25:04.13
Luther hatched.
00:25:04.13\00:25:07.44
So, this is coming
from many different sectors.
00:25:07.44\00:25:12.01
Had it not been Luther,
something would've blown up.
00:25:12.01\00:25:14.84
>>TY: And these are the
people that are just named in
00:25:14.84\00:25:16.04
history.
00:25:16.04\00:25:17.65
Luther, Tyndale, there's a
whole bunch of people that are
00:25:17.65\00:25:21.12
doing stuff behind the scenes,
common, everyday people who,
00:25:21.12\00:25:25.32
they're getting a copy of
that manuscript called the New
00:25:25.32\00:25:27.82
Testament, and they're then
reading it around the dinner
00:25:27.82\00:25:31.49
table that evening and
then passing it onto their
00:25:31.49\00:25:34.00
neighbors and there are people
who are just spreading this
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like wildfire.
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>>DAVID: One of the
other factors that contributes,
00:25:39.40\00:25:41.24
Jeffrey, you're talking about
a variety of factors that are
00:25:41.24\00:25:43.07
gonna make this happen at this
time in this way was a growing
00:25:43.07\00:25:46.98
sense of nationalism.
00:25:46.98\00:25:48.41
So, prior to, say, the 15th,
16th centuries, you had the
00:25:48.41\00:25:53.01
Holy Roman empire, the
homogenizing, though it wasn't
00:25:53.01\00:25:57.09
totally homogenous, but the
binding force was the church.
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But over time, as the church
began to overplay its hand in
00:26:00.82\00:26:03.46
the medieval period, people
began to identify more and
00:26:03.46\00:26:06.83
more with their communities,
their linguistic groups,
00:26:06.83\00:26:09.93
people in their region.
00:26:09.93\00:26:11.27
What we now would call
countries, and so, as a good
00:26:11.27\00:26:14.47
example, when Pope Leo the
Tenth hears about you know,
00:26:14.47\00:26:18.14
Martin Luther, and he says,
hey, wait, wait, and he writes
00:26:18.14\00:26:21.01
the bowl of excommunication,
hey, you need to send that guy
00:26:21.01\00:26:23.75
to Rome, we'll
give him a fair trial.
00:26:23.75\00:26:26.08
Fredrick of Saxony, one of the
electors of what we would call
00:26:26.08\00:26:28.92
Germany today says, no, no,
because what's good for Rome
00:26:28.92\00:26:34.06
is not necessarily what's
good for the German people.
00:26:34.06\00:26:37.76
So, this growing sense of
nationalism, I mean, on every
00:26:37.76\00:26:40.16
front, it is a perfect
storm to create this situation.
00:26:40.16\00:26:46.90
>>JEFFERY: That's actually in
the 95 theses as well, there's
00:26:46.90\00:26:48.80
an undergirding nationalism,
because Luther says, this is,
00:26:48.80\00:26:53.14
these indulgences are to raise
funds for a cathedral in Rome.
00:26:53.14\00:26:58.35
And then, he's like, that's
great for Italians, but this
00:26:58.35\00:27:04.32
isn't Italy.
00:27:04.32\00:27:05.15
Right, so you have
that tension as well.
00:27:05.15\00:27:06.92
>>TY: And Fredrick of Saxony,
it was this basic, he just
00:27:06.92\00:27:10.19
said, I like my monk.
00:27:10.19\00:27:12.29
Rome, you can't have him, I
like him, I'm gonna keep him,
00:27:12.29\00:27:16.03
he's good for Germany.
00:27:16.03\00:27:18.17
>>DAVID: It's a beautiful thing.
00:27:18.17\00:27:19.70
Listen to this quotation
from a book I read on the plane,
00:27:19.70\00:27:22.24
actually, on the
flight over from Australia.
00:27:22.24\00:27:24.61
It's Nicholas Miller's
book, the Reformation and the
00:27:24.61\00:27:27.14
Remnant, and he says
this, it's so simple.
00:27:27.14\00:27:29.24
Luther's beliefs about Christ,
grace, and faith, which we'll
00:27:29.24\00:27:32.38
get to, right, sola fida, sola
gracia, sola Christo, stood on
00:27:32.38\00:27:36.58
the foundation provided by
another doctrine, stood on the
00:27:36.58\00:27:39.72
foundation, one that allowed
him to pierce the medieval
00:27:39.72\00:27:42.89
facade, that's what
we're talking about here.
00:27:42.89\00:27:45.56
The doctrine of the
supreme authority of scripture.
00:27:45.56\00:27:49.10
The monks' feet were firmly
planted on the foundation of
00:27:49.10\00:27:52.57
sola scriptura, allowing
him and others to develop the
00:27:52.57\00:27:55.64
other sola doctrines.
00:27:55.64\00:27:57.81
Sola fida, sola gracia,
sola Christ, by faith alone, by
00:27:57.81\00:27:59.51
grace alone, by Christ alone.
00:27:59.51\00:28:01.04
In other words, if you
don't have a standard, something
00:28:01.04\00:28:04.25
that's normative, sola
scriptura, you can't get those
00:28:04.25\00:28:07.92
other doctrines off the ground.
00:28:07.92\00:28:09.72
We have to start here.
00:28:09.72\00:28:12.19
>>TY: Authoritative source.
00:28:12.19\00:28:13.46
>>DAVID: And it has
to be authoritative.
00:28:13.46\00:28:16.36
Now, of course, the response
to that, and we'll deal with
00:28:16.36\00:28:18.13
this later, the Catholic
church response to that is
00:28:18.13\00:28:20.30
gonna be to double down
against the reformation in
00:28:20.30\00:28:23.10
what's called the counsel
of Trent and they're gonna say,
00:28:23.10\00:28:25.37
yeah, scripture, but tradition.
00:28:25.37\00:28:28.14
And we'll come to that later.
00:28:28.14\00:28:29.27
>>TY: And by tradition,
they mean the authority of the
00:28:29.27\00:28:30.54
church.
00:28:30.54\00:28:31.64
>>DAVID: But in order to
launch this whole enterprise,
00:28:31.64\00:28:34.98
you have to have something
holy, something normative,
00:28:34.98\00:28:38.55
something authoritative
and that's scripture.
00:28:38.55\00:28:42.38
>>JAMES: I can't help but
think about this in relation
00:28:42.38\00:28:45.35
to my own experience
again, because coming out of the
00:28:45.35\00:28:47.76
Catholic church in the
20th century, not in the 16th
00:28:47.76\00:28:51.33
century or the 15th century,
these were the same issues
00:28:51.33\00:28:54.36
that I was dealing with
and I still remember in my mind
00:28:54.36\00:28:56.60
learning what the bible taught
in comparison to what I was
00:28:56.60\00:29:00.57
taught or not taught
and travelling to England.
00:29:00.57\00:29:04.21
I was on my way to England
because I was sure that my
00:29:04.21\00:29:06.78
entire family, now, you
understand, I was raised
00:29:06.78\00:29:10.51
Catholic, my mom raised us
in England, I was living in
00:29:10.51\00:29:12.48
America by myself, and at 21,
I became a Christian at 22, I
00:29:12.48\00:29:16.69
started studying the
bible, and I remember, I was
00:29:16.69\00:29:19.55
thinking, I gotta go
back to England and tell my
00:29:19.55\00:29:21.39
grandmother who's, you know,
just got a few years left, my
00:29:21.39\00:29:23.93
mother, and my family, you
know, people that were there
00:29:23.93\00:29:27.30
that I was close to and loved,
so, I'm travelling, and what
00:29:27.30\00:29:31.63
I'm doing on the plane is I
have this bible and I'm just
00:29:31.63\00:29:34.50
filling this bible with cross
references of bible, yes, I'm
00:29:34.50\00:29:39.84
just putting bible verses,
cross referencing them on
00:29:39.84\00:29:42.44
every subject that I can
think of, just filling the bible
00:29:42.44\00:29:44.31
full, so, when I go back
there, I'm just gonna share
00:29:44.31\00:29:46.98
the word of God, and I
remember, it didn't phase my
00:29:46.98\00:29:50.92
family, because in my
grandmother's mind, in my
00:29:50.92\00:29:54.26
mother's mind, in the way that
they thought, the priest and
00:29:54.26\00:29:58.93
the church were the
authority, not the word of God.
00:29:58.93\00:30:03.30
And so, I'm there, I'm
talking, and my grandmother
00:30:03.30\00:30:06.17
basically has me take a
picture off the wall, which is
00:30:06.17\00:30:09.27
the picture of the present
pope at that time, John Paul
00:30:09.27\00:30:11.61
the Second, she says, give me
that picture, and I gave it to
00:30:11.61\00:30:14.38
her, I'm in her room, I'm
getting ready to just, you
00:30:14.38\00:30:16.85
know, spill the beans, and she
says, before you do that, give
00:30:16.85\00:30:19.55
me that picture.
00:30:19.55\00:30:20.82
I get it, I take it to
her, she takes the picture, she
00:30:20.82\00:30:23.92
kisses it, she gives it back
to me, she says, now, you go
00:30:23.92\00:30:27.69
put it back on the wall.
00:30:27.69\00:30:29.46
>>TY: She was
communicating to you.
00:30:29.46\00:30:31.43
>>JAMES: Oh, yeah.
00:30:31.43\00:30:32.66
My mom, as soon as I'm talking
to her about all of this, she
00:30:32.66\00:30:35.36
calls the priest and she
has him come over and I remember
00:30:35.36\00:30:38.43
being confronted by him,
and he told me, what about the
00:30:38.43\00:30:41.54
church tetanus, what about
the church, what about, what
00:30:41.54\00:30:43.67
about, and I remember, the
only thing I had to go with
00:30:43.67\00:30:46.07
the was the word of God.
00:30:46.07\00:30:47.24
Yeah, it reminds me of these
verses, and I think it'd be
00:30:47.24\00:30:49.74
good for us just to turn to
them there, there's a number
00:30:49.74\00:30:52.38
of them, but I wanna
specifically pinpoint these
00:30:52.38\00:30:54.78
ones because these verses are
the ones that really hit home
00:30:54.78\00:30:59.05
for me in relationship to
what Christ teaches concerning
00:30:59.05\00:31:02.96
this.
00:31:02.96\00:31:03.73
And they're Matthew chapter 15.
00:31:03.73\00:31:06.09
So, Matthew chapter 15, the
context of it's really good,
00:31:06.09\00:31:08.56
but I just wanna highlight a
couple of the verses, Matthew
00:31:08.56\00:31:10.90
15, beginning with verse 1.
00:31:10.90\00:31:13.54
Jesus, again, I
think is radical.
00:31:13.54\00:31:17.71
He's a radical
reformer in his day.
00:31:17.71\00:31:19.97
He was probably a Martin
Luther, of course, with the
00:31:19.97\00:31:23.11
spirit of Christ,
the spirit of God.
00:31:23.11\00:31:26.21
>>TY: Jesus had
the spirit of Jesus.
00:31:26.21\00:31:28.72
>>JAMES: Then came to Jesus
scribes and Pharisees that the
00:31:28.72\00:31:32.89
religious leaders, the people
that know the word, the people
00:31:32.89\00:31:35.72
that, okay, and they came
to him, that would be of the
00:31:35.72\00:31:39.36
central church, saying, why
do your disciples transgress the
00:31:39.36\00:31:44.03
what?
00:31:44.03\00:31:45.13
Tradition of the elders.
00:31:45.13\00:31:47.14
They don't wash their hands
when they eat bread, and he
00:31:47.14\00:31:48.87
answered and said to them,
why do you also transgress the
00:31:48.87\00:31:52.07
commandment of
God by your tradition?
00:31:52.07\00:31:54.71
>>DAVID: And then,
he quotes scripture.
00:31:54.71\00:31:55.91
>>JAMES: For God commanded,
saying, honor your father and
00:31:55.91\00:31:58.21
mother and he that curses his
father or mother, let him die
00:31:58.21\00:32:00.55
there, but you say, and
that is the issue, that is the
00:32:00.55\00:32:03.49
issue.
00:32:03.49\00:32:05.45
You say, but you say, buy
you say, and this is what I was
00:32:05.45\00:32:10.16
confronted with when I
went back there, the priest
00:32:10.16\00:32:12.33
basically said to me, but
what about this, and it was all
00:32:12.33\00:32:15.43
what the church teaches
and what the church says.
00:32:15.43\00:32:18.40
And the only thing we had, the
only thing I had to go by was
00:32:18.40\00:32:20.80
the word of God, and so,
I read these verses over and
00:32:20.80\00:32:24.37
over again.
00:32:24.37\00:32:25.54
They would come to my brain,
verse after verse, where in
00:32:25.54\00:32:27.11
Mark 7 it says, in vain
you do worship me, teaching for
00:32:27.11\00:32:30.95
traditions the
commandments of God.
00:32:30.95\00:32:33.05
And you lay aside with your
traditions the commandments of
00:32:33.05\00:32:36.22
God.
00:32:36.22\00:32:37.19
And it was a wrestling match.
00:32:37.19\00:32:38.35
And I think there are people
today, just like myself who
00:32:38.35\00:32:42.16
still wrestle and
still struggle with church
00:32:42.16\00:32:45.06
traditions, church
dogma, church verses.
00:32:45.06\00:32:51.30
>>JEFFERY: You just fully
reminded me, I was doing some
00:32:51.30\00:32:52.97
meetings in Wichita,
Kansas, couple of years ago.
00:32:52.97\00:32:56.47
Wichita, Kansas.
00:32:56.47\00:32:58.21
You can't say it any other way.
00:32:58.21\00:32:59.41
And one of the evenings, I
was giving a presentation on the
00:32:59.41\00:33:05.11
priesthood of Jesus, direct
access to Jesus, direct access
00:33:05.11\00:33:10.22
to scripture.
00:33:10.22\00:33:11.39
I get off the pulpit, I'm
in the foyer, I'm in the foyer
00:33:11.39\00:33:16.89
and somebody comes up to me
and says, Jeffrey, there are
00:33:16.89\00:33:18.96
some ladies outside the
entrance of the church waiting
00:33:18.96\00:33:22.90
for you, they are not
happy, I'm just warning you.
00:33:22.90\00:33:26.80
So, I walk outside the door
and there's these, like, 3 or
00:33:26.80\00:33:29.17
4 older ladies waiting for
me, and I say, hi, my name is
00:33:29.17\00:33:33.01
Jeffrey, how can I help you?
00:33:33.01\00:33:34.68
And they were in the meeting.
00:33:34.68\00:33:36.58
They stormed out and they were
just fuming outside and when I
00:33:36.58\00:33:39.91
went to introduce myself, the
one in the middle, sort of the
00:33:39.91\00:33:42.35
ring leader came forward
and with tears in her eyes, she
00:33:42.35\00:33:45.32
says, how dare you.
00:33:45.32\00:33:47.79
How dare you
take away my priest?
00:33:47.79\00:33:51.43
Now what I'm I
supposed to do, she said.
00:33:51.43\00:33:54.50
I was just like.
00:33:54.50\00:33:57.00
>>TY: What did you say, Jeffrey?
00:33:57.00\00:33:59.17
>>JEFFERY: I was just like,
uh, I basically reverted, I
00:33:59.17\00:34:03.00
said, ma'am, Jesus
is our priest, y'know?
00:34:03.00\00:34:08.98
I emphasized, what are
you supposed to do now?
00:34:08.98\00:34:12.28
Now, you're supposed to
have direct access to Jesus.
00:34:12.28\00:34:14.95
What I assumed was
liberating, good news, freeing
00:34:14.95\00:34:21.92
and empowering, what I thought
was something that would set
00:34:21.92\00:34:26.03
somebody free, spread your
wings and fly now, you know,
00:34:26.03\00:34:29.36
enter into this new spiritual
journey in God and in Christ
00:34:29.36\00:34:33.44
and in his word, was
actually bad news, it was scary.
00:34:33.44\00:34:39.21
>>TY: Because all of
that implies responsibility.
00:34:39.21\00:34:41.81
>>JEFFERY: And now you're
stepping into the unknown.
00:34:41.81\00:34:44.08
>>DAVID: How did
that situation end?
00:34:44.08\00:34:46.08
>>JEFFERY: It ended
by them storming out.
00:34:46.08\00:34:49.55
That was it.
00:34:49.55\00:34:50.72
>>TY: Man, I wanna return,
based on what you just said to
00:34:50.72\00:34:53.59
what James was just sharing
because I think we need to
00:34:53.59\00:34:57.36
always really hasten to
add that these are all, these
00:34:57.36\00:35:04.00
ladies, your mom, your
grandmother, these are human
00:35:04.00\00:35:07.77
beings like us, and
we're all inclined in the same
00:35:07.77\00:35:10.31
direction.
00:35:10.31\00:35:11.47
I know James's mom, she's
lovely and James knows better
00:35:11.47\00:35:14.21
than I do that
she's a wonderful person.
00:35:14.21\00:35:17.48
The issue isn't the person.
00:35:17.48\00:35:19.18
Like we said earlier in
the series, we're not here and
00:35:19.18\00:35:23.42
never should be here to
judge people, but just to judge
00:35:23.42\00:35:26.49
ideas and to open up concepts
that we believe to be true and
00:35:26.49\00:35:32.19
to be ourselves open
for advancement and learning
00:35:32.19\00:35:36.26
things that we
don't know ourselves.
00:35:36.26\00:35:39.27
There's no doubt that God
looks upon, you know, these
00:35:39.27\00:35:42.87
ladies and your mother and
grandmother and us, wherever
00:35:42.87\00:35:46.94
we are in our journey
with love and interest and just
00:35:46.94\00:35:51.48
kind of coaching us along
as we can bear to be coached
00:35:51.48\00:35:55.02
along and there are people all
the time who never take steps
00:35:55.02\00:36:00.49
that you and I or
someone else may have taken.
00:36:00.49\00:36:04.06
And they are under the
loving grace of God and he knows
00:36:04.06\00:36:09.20
what's going on in
their hearts and we don't.
00:36:09.20\00:36:11.03
We don't know what's going
on in those ladies' hearts,
00:36:11.03\00:36:14.60
they're upset.
00:36:14.60\00:36:15.94
You know, for all you know,
and wouldn't this be great,
00:36:15.94\00:36:18.11
they went home, fought against
it in their thinking, and you
00:36:18.11\00:36:21.94
know, after two days of
struggling, said, you know
00:36:21.94\00:36:24.78
what, I hated what that
Jeffrey guy said, but I think
00:36:24.78\00:36:27.85
I'm gonna read my bible and
see if it's there, for all you
00:36:27.85\00:36:30.32
know.
00:36:30.32\00:36:31.52
>>JEFFERY: But even if they
didn't, the large heartedness
00:36:31.52\00:36:35.36
of God, the largeness of
God's heart will continue to
00:36:35.36\00:36:39.46
interact with them via their
earthly priest, because God
00:36:39.46\00:36:43.80
will work with us where we
are and God takes us where our
00:36:43.80\00:36:48.07
heart is, so I have no
doubt about that in my mind.
00:36:48.07\00:36:50.81
>>JAMES: I like to say in
spite of, but I agree with you
00:36:50.81\00:36:53.07
because I remember from my
own experience that when I first
00:36:53.07\00:36:55.71
came in contact with these
ideas, which came through my
00:36:55.71\00:36:58.55
sister primarily, I was upset.
00:36:58.55\00:37:01.88
>>TY: Just like your
mom and your grandmother.
00:37:01.88\00:37:03.79
>>JAMES: Not in the same way
exactly, probably more like my
00:37:03.79\00:37:06.39
grandmother than like my mom.
00:37:06.39\00:37:08.09
I was disturbed,
out of my comfort zone.
00:37:08.09\00:37:15.60
No way, no way.
00:37:15.60\00:37:17.87
And I became defensive and
I became so antagonistic to my
00:37:17.87\00:37:20.87
sister in those few moments
that she dropped the subject
00:37:20.87\00:37:24.97
and then, she brought it up
again at another point, talked
00:37:24.97\00:37:27.11
to me about another
subject that was biblical,
00:37:27.11\00:37:30.21
specifically what I eat, and
I became so upset in that moment
00:37:30.21\00:37:34.65
that she dropped the subject.
00:37:34.65\00:37:35.82
Then, she brought up another
subject, again, biblical, in
00:37:35.82\00:37:38.55
relation to...
00:37:38.55\00:37:39.72
>>DAVID: I'm
gathering that she's persistent.
00:37:39.72\00:37:42.32
>>JAMES: How can you not be?
00:37:42.32\00:37:44.66
>>TY: There's
some pretty tight DNA.
00:37:44.66\00:37:48.46
>>DAVID: Like truly a twin?
00:37:48.46\00:37:49.76
>>JAMES: Yeah, truly
a twin, but different.
00:37:49.76\00:37:51.27
>>DAVID: You have a twin?
00:37:51.27\00:37:52.57
Did you know that?
00:37:52.57\00:37:56.04
>>JEFFERY: I had no idea.
00:37:56.04\00:37:56.97
>>DAVID: I did not
know that until right now.
00:37:56.97\00:37:58.17
>>JAMES: Really?
00:37:58.17\00:37:59.11
>>TY: She's way
better looking than James.
00:37:59.11\00:38:02.51
>>TY: She's way
better looking than James.
00:38:02.51\00:38:03.51
>>JAMES: You need to come to
more of my meetings, you need
00:38:03.75\00:38:05.45
to listen to
more of my meetings.
00:38:05.45\00:38:06.55
>>DAVID: I've listened
to, I've probably listened to
00:38:06.55\00:38:08.22
50-100 of your
sermons and I did not know.
00:38:08.22\00:38:10.79
>>JAMES: Really?
00:38:10.79\00:38:12.49
>>DAVID: Literally,
I'm freaking out right now.
00:38:12.49\00:38:15.09
>>TY: He also has
a mom and a grandma.
00:38:15.09\00:38:17.36
>>DAVID: Well, now,
that I'm not surprised by.
00:38:17.36\00:38:19.33
>>TY: We have to take a break,
we'll come back and continue
00:38:19.33\00:38:24.37
this discussion.
00:38:24.37\00:38:25.70
>>DAVID: You're a twin?
00:38:25.70\00:38:27.57
this discussion.
00:38:27.57\00:38:28.04
>>DAVID: You're a twin?
00:38:28.14\00:38:29.90
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>>TY: So, our previous, major
discovery is that James has a
00:39:33.30\00:39:35.84
twin.
00:39:35.84\00:39:37.01
[Laughter]
00:39:37.01\00:39:38.57
>>DAVID: That
changes everything for me.
00:39:38.57\00:39:39.84
Are you the
older or the younger.
00:39:39.84\00:39:41.84
>>TY: I actually knew James's
sister before I new James.
00:39:41.84\00:39:43.81
>>DAVID: But are
you Jacob or Esau?
00:39:43.81\00:39:46.95
>>JAMES: Jacob.
00:39:46.95\00:39:48.65
>>DAVID: The deceiver.
00:39:48.65\00:39:50.85
>>TY: Anyway.
00:39:50.85\00:39:52.59
>>JAMES: Which also means
James, I don't know if you
00:39:52.59\00:39:54.62
knew that.
00:39:54.62\00:39:55.66
>>TY: Yeah, James is
the Greek version of Jacob.
00:39:55.66\00:39:57.33
So, sola scriptura,
where do we go from here?
00:39:57.33\00:40:02.40
Go ahead.
00:40:02.40\00:40:03.57
>>JEFFERY: I just wanted to
say one thing about, related
00:40:03.57\00:40:05.73
to sola scriptura, is
the concept of images, images
00:40:05.73\00:40:10.01
embedded in medieval religion.
00:40:10.01\00:40:11.91
It's all based on images, so
you have a combination of the
00:40:11.91\00:40:14.31
bible is inaccessible, right,
in a language that you can't
00:40:14.31\00:40:18.15
access, and then,
complementary to that, you
00:40:18.15\00:40:21.55
have images in church.
00:40:21.55\00:40:23.82
And so, the concept of images
was directly related to that
00:40:23.82\00:40:28.09
other thing, right, so they
viewed images as the books of
00:40:28.09\00:40:31.86
the laity.
00:40:31.86\00:40:33.19
Because of laity not being
in the spiritual realm, but in
00:40:33.19\00:40:38.07
the secular, they have no
business to read scripture for
00:40:38.07\00:40:41.64
themselves.
00:40:41.64\00:40:42.67
Give them an image...
00:40:42.67\00:40:43.54
>>TY: As a point
of contact with God.
00:40:43.54\00:40:46.84
>>JEFFERY: Yeah, and so,
when the reformers, particularly
00:40:46.84\00:40:49.38
the radicals that came
after Luther, when they attacked
00:40:49.38\00:40:52.08
images, they were saying,
the reason you're propping up
00:40:52.08\00:40:56.65
these images is because the
people have no access to the
00:40:56.65\00:41:00.06
word and clearly, an image
cannot even approach the scope
00:41:00.06\00:41:07.36
of communication as
them having access to the
00:41:07.36\00:41:09.83
scriptures themselves.
00:41:09.83\00:41:11.30
So, my point is simply to
say that this idea of sola
00:41:11.30\00:41:14.20
scriptura has very,
it's a very long shadow.
00:41:14.20\00:41:19.47
It impacts many different
aspects of the religious
00:41:19.47\00:41:22.11
experience.
00:41:22.11\00:41:23.28
>>TY: I'm glad you brought
that up because it has such an
00:41:23.28\00:41:26.05
extensive influence that,
see if you guys agree with this,
00:41:26.05\00:41:31.12
sola scriptura was the
basis for priesthood of all
00:41:31.12\00:41:35.16
believers, which was the basis
for modern democracy which was
00:41:35.16\00:41:39.66
the basis for human rights
and civil rights movements.
00:41:39.66\00:41:43.40
There were other influences,
as we've pointed out, the
00:41:43.40\00:41:46.23
humanist influences,
but sola scriptura basically
00:41:46.23\00:41:51.97
communicated the idea that you
have direct access to God, you
00:41:51.97\00:41:57.61
can study for yourself, I
mean, more recently, Thomas
00:41:57.61\00:42:01.25
Friedman, in a book, let me
see, I wrote it down here, The
00:42:01.25\00:42:08.09
World is Flat, is essentially
communicating the same idea,
00:42:08.09\00:42:12.83
that the bible of
Luther's time is similar to the
00:42:12.83\00:42:16.36
internet of our time in the
sense that people have equal
00:42:16.36\00:42:20.07
access to information
which, for example, we have this
00:42:20.07\00:42:22.97
phenomenon going on right now
where you have a technological
00:42:22.97\00:42:26.31
boom taking place
in India of all places.
00:42:26.31\00:42:29.28
Well, why?
00:42:29.28\00:42:30.35
How?
00:42:30.35\00:42:31.55
Because they have access to
the internet, which means they
00:42:31.55\00:42:33.42
can educate themselves in
technological advancement, and
00:42:33.42\00:42:37.12
they're producing an entire
generation of Indians that are
00:42:37.12\00:42:41.16
surpassing Silicon Valley.
00:42:41.16\00:42:43.43
This is amazing in principle,
it's a very similar dynamic
00:42:43.43\00:42:47.66
that's taking place.
00:42:47.66\00:42:48.86
>>JEFFERY: Well, what do you
think of this related to that?
00:42:48.86\00:42:50.47
You're talking about
the technological, you know,
00:42:50.47\00:42:53.10
advances, what about
the scientific revolution?
00:42:53.10\00:42:56.71
What about the links between
sola scriptura, back to the
00:42:56.71\00:43:00.91
original source, where you
build a doctrine not based on
00:43:00.91\00:43:05.68
authority or tradition,
but you build a doctrine, a
00:43:05.68\00:43:09.42
teaching, a belief based on
the evidence that you observe,
00:43:09.42\00:43:13.25
the observable
evidence in the text.
00:43:13.25\00:43:16.59
So, basically that concept
is very closely related to the
00:43:16.59\00:43:20.60
scientific method.
00:43:20.60\00:43:22.33
>>TY: So, scientific
revolution, technological
00:43:22.33\00:43:24.60
revolution, all of these
things, to some significant
00:43:24.60\00:43:27.34
degree, are coming out of
the Protestant reformation.
00:43:27.34\00:43:30.04
>>JEFFERY: Yeah, they now
begin to look at nature and
00:43:30.04\00:43:33.11
say, from observable nature,
that's the inductive method,
00:43:33.11\00:43:37.28
right?
00:43:37.28\00:43:38.51
You arrive at general laws by
observable data, and so, there
00:43:38.51\00:43:42.82
was a link there, they
approached the book of nature
00:43:42.82\00:43:46.45
as the reformers approached
the book of scripture.
00:43:46.45\00:43:49.99
So, there's links.
00:43:49.99\00:43:51.69
>>DAVID: And there
have been a number of links.
00:43:51.69\00:43:53.66
These have been regarded as
somewhat controversial because
00:43:53.66\00:43:56.60
they sound soort
 of triumphalism.
00:43:56.60\00:44:00.84
They sound sort of, hey,
this culture had something that
00:44:00.84\00:44:03.97
lent itself to something
that's valued around the world
00:44:03.97\00:44:07.44
now, i.e. the scientific
enterprise, but you're
00:44:07.44\00:44:09.81
exactly right.
00:44:09.81\00:44:10.95
This idea that you can go
to God's good earth, to God's
00:44:10.95\00:44:15.12
good universe and observe
because the symmetry and the
00:44:15.12\00:44:20.66
consistency and the beauty
of God, you would expect to see
00:44:20.66\00:44:23.36
in his creation.
00:44:23.36\00:44:24.83
So, whether you're talking
about Newtonian physics or
00:44:24.83\00:44:26.59
biology or various streams of
education, they're growing out
00:44:26.59\00:44:31.20
of a desire to figure out why
and how God did what he did in
00:44:31.20\00:44:36.40
the created world.
00:44:36.40\00:44:38.14
So, science as an enterprise
is largely attributable, comes
00:44:38.14\00:44:43.28
out of Protestant Christianity.
00:44:43.28\00:44:46.82
I mean, that's a big claim,
but, and it's multi-factorial.
00:44:46.82\00:44:51.19
But to say that Protestantism
didn't have a massive
00:44:51.19\00:44:54.52
influence and maybe even a
determinative influence, would
00:44:54.52\00:44:58.56
be, that's true.
00:44:58.56\00:44:59.96
>>JEFFERY: And you see
the tensions, emphasis on
00:44:59.96\00:45:02.33
Protestant Christianity,
because when Galileo shows up
00:45:02.33\00:45:05.03
in the picture, and he's
building on Copernicus, and
00:45:05.03\00:45:08.64
he's challenging established
systems, right, yeah, this
00:45:08.64\00:45:13.04
geocentric system, too,
heliocentric, and now the
00:45:13.04\00:45:16.75
church, they feel
threatened by that, right?
00:45:16.75\00:45:20.85
They push back on that, they
have a chokehold on scientific
00:45:20.85\00:45:23.75
progress and so...
00:45:23.75\00:45:25.69
>>TY: We say the earth is
the center, therefore, it is.
00:45:25.69\00:45:28.02
>>JEFFERY: Yeah, and so,
Galileo comes up, here's a
00:45:28.02\00:45:29.99
telescope, I'm not
simply going to apply abstract
00:45:29.99\00:45:35.00
theories or received authority
or tradition, that's besides
00:45:35.00\00:45:41.20
the point, he's saying, I
am going to observe through a
00:45:41.20\00:45:44.97
telescope the thing that
I'm trying to figure out and
00:45:44.97\00:45:48.74
deduce from my
observation conclusions.
00:45:48.74\00:45:52.08
That's...
00:45:52.08\00:45:53.68
>>TY: Comes to us
from the Protestant, yeah.
00:45:53.68\00:45:57.62
>>DAVID: There's that great
line where Galileo really had
00:45:57.62\00:46:00.16
the thumbscrews put to him
and he backs down and you know,
00:46:00.16\00:46:03.06
supposedly, the observer says
that as he made his way out of
00:46:03.06\00:46:06.26
the trial, he
says, and yet, it moves.
00:46:06.26\00:46:11.20
He was persuaded by
the threat, but he wasn't
00:46:11.20\00:46:14.67
persuaded intellectually.
00:46:14.67\00:46:16.10
>>JEFFERY: Yeah, he was on
house arrest, he buckled under
00:46:16.10\00:46:17.64
pressure, but
that's beside the point.
00:46:17.64\00:46:20.04
>>DAVID: A man convinced
against his will is of the
00:46:20.04\00:46:23.24
same opinion still.
00:46:23.24\00:46:24.78
But so, this goes back to this
multi, this was a cauldron of
00:46:24.78\00:46:29.68
influences and situations
and circumstances in human
00:46:29.68\00:46:33.96
history.
00:46:33.96\00:46:35.32
In many ways, it's the sort
of cradle of what we regard as
00:46:35.32\00:46:38.13
western civilization.
00:46:38.13\00:46:40.06
Things that we take for granted.
00:46:40.06\00:46:41.06
Humanism, democracy,
civil rights, the scientific
00:46:41.06\00:46:44.73
enterprise, liberty of
conscience, these are things
00:46:44.73\00:46:47.40
that we just, this is the
world that we were born in.
00:46:47.40\00:46:50.51
>>TY: And here's the sad
thing, I think it's sad, that
00:46:50.51\00:46:53.78
there are many in the academic
world who are unbelievers in
00:46:53.78\00:47:00.45
God and in scripture, and
they're trying to, some of
00:47:00.45\00:47:04.12
them, reframe history so as
to give no credit to the gospel
00:47:04.12\00:47:10.46
and the Protestant reformation
for the formation of the free
00:47:10.46\00:47:14.30
world in which we live, but
there's a direct connection.
00:47:14.30\00:47:18.40
In other words, the freedoms
that we enjoy right now come
00:47:18.40\00:47:25.14
to us directly, whether a
person believes in Jesus or
00:47:25.14\00:47:28.98
not, in western civilization
and, increasingly, in all the
00:47:28.98\00:47:35.68
world, we are living under the
blessing of the principles of
00:47:35.68\00:47:40.62
the gospel that set in motion
events that gave us this kind
00:47:40.62\00:47:45.63
of world.
00:47:45.63\00:47:46.73
>>JEFFERY: To quote Nick
Miller again, you quoted Nick
00:47:46.73\00:47:47.93
Miller earlier, the historian,
he wrote another book called
00:47:47.93\00:47:50.97
the Religious Roots of the
First Amendment, and in that
00:47:50.97\00:47:54.30
book, he argues that very
premise that the idea that
00:47:54.30\00:47:58.71
liberty of conscience,
freedom, separation from
00:47:58.71\00:48:03.41
church and state, that's often
attributed to enlightenment
00:48:03.41\00:48:08.32
principles.
00:48:08.32\00:48:10.15
But he argues that
there's a strain of Protestant
00:48:10.15\00:48:14.12
descending thought that
is hugely influential in our
00:48:14.12\00:48:21.10
development, our modern
conceptions, you know, of
00:48:21.10\00:48:24.87
religious liberty, even in
the framing of the founding
00:48:24.87\00:48:28.04
documents of the
United States, that those are
00:48:28.04\00:48:30.61
principles that we're
building on contributions that
00:48:30.61\00:48:35.14
Protestantism made in regard,
and really tracing back to
00:48:35.14\00:48:38.31
Luther.
00:48:38.31\00:48:39.45
>>TY: An argument could be
built for the idea that the
00:48:39.45\00:48:41.92
constitution of the United
States is the gospel in the
00:48:41.92\00:48:45.52
form of a governing document.
00:48:45.52\00:48:48.02
In other words, the principles
that are embedded in the
00:48:48.02\00:48:54.36
gospel of non-coercive
love and individual freedom and
00:48:54.36\00:48:57.43
access to God, the gospel
then, if you were to take the
00:48:57.43\00:49:01.37
gospel and say, hey,
what kind of country would you
00:49:01.37\00:49:05.24
formulate?
00:49:05.24\00:49:06.14
What kind of
constitution would you write?
00:49:06.14\00:49:08.34
It would be the
constitution that we have.
00:49:08.34\00:49:12.05
>>DAVID: It would
certainly be democratic.
00:49:12.05\00:49:13.35
>>JEFFERY: Civil
and religious liberty.
00:49:13.35\00:49:14.82
>>TY: Isn't that amazing?
00:49:14.82\00:49:17.12
>>DAVID: A great question
to ask, and you know, it's a
00:49:17.12\00:49:19.39
thought experiment, but you
can ask yourself the question,
00:49:19.39\00:49:23.16
do you end up with America,
the United States of America,
00:49:23.16\00:49:26.36
not as it is today,
but as it is in principle?
00:49:26.36\00:49:29.56
Do you end up with
that without Protestantism?
00:49:29.56\00:49:32.53
And the answer is no.
00:49:32.53\00:49:33.74
That's an easy, if you don't
have Protestantism, you do not
00:49:33.74\00:49:37.94
have the founding of
what was called the American
00:49:37.94\00:49:41.71
experiment, and it's, you
know, let's just, without any
00:49:41.71\00:49:45.51
sense of triumphalism, I'm an
American, but I'm a citizen of
00:49:45.51\00:49:48.08
the Kingdom, I
live in Australia.
00:49:48.08\00:49:50.02
My connection is to the global
community of Christians, but
00:49:50.02\00:49:54.52
having said that, there is a
sense in which America is the
00:49:54.52\00:49:58.76
most influential power in the
world over the last, say, 100
00:49:58.76\00:50:02.50
years.
00:50:02.50\00:50:03.60
>>TY: And
constantly abuses that power.
00:50:03.60\00:50:05.50
>>DAVID: Of course, and
that's actually foretold in
00:50:05.50\00:50:07.10
scripture, in Revelation.
00:50:07.10\00:50:09.44
My point is that where
does that idea come from?
00:50:09.44\00:50:13.44
It's born out of concepts.
00:50:13.44\00:50:14.98
Ideas have power.
00:50:14.98\00:50:16.48
>>TY: All men are created equal.
00:50:16.48\00:50:18.25
>>DAVID: Freedom from a
king, the empowerment, the
00:50:18.25\00:50:22.92
democratic principle, the work
ethic, the, you know, get out
00:50:22.92\00:50:27.22
there, as you said
earlier, Ty, and I loved it, the
00:50:27.22\00:50:30.23
respecting of the individual,
how did you say that?
00:50:30.23\00:50:32.46
>>TY: The dignity
of the individual.
00:50:32.46\00:50:33.73
>>DAVID: The
dignity of the individual.
00:50:33.73\00:50:35.40
And I love the idea of freedom
there, you know, that just
00:50:35.40\00:50:37.97
reminds me of Galatians 5:1.
00:50:37.97\00:50:39.27
For freedom,
Christ has set you free.
00:50:39.27\00:50:41.27
Jesus, when he articulated the
essence, the embryo of what he
00:50:41.27\00:50:45.17
came to do, I am come to set
at liberty the captives, Luke 4.
00:50:45.17\00:50:48.78
>>JEFFERY: But history's a
long story of human fumbling
00:50:48.78\00:50:51.71
with the ideals and
misapplying them, because
00:50:51.71\00:50:54.62
even, we're talking about,
okay, we triumphantly, about
00:50:54.62\00:50:57.65
the United States said, and
these beautiful documents and
00:50:57.65\00:51:00.46
these elevated ideas and
then you have allowance for
00:51:00.46\00:51:02.69
slavery.
00:51:02.69\00:51:04.06
>>DAVID: Yeah, they
didn't stride into this.
00:51:04.06\00:51:06.46
Now, don't get me wrong, they
stumbled, that's a great way
00:51:06.46\00:51:09.06
to say it.
00:51:09.06\00:51:10.10
>>JEFFERY: Women are
oppressed, you have the
00:51:10.10\00:51:13.23
natives, you have the African
slave system, you have all of
00:51:13.23\00:51:18.31
these things.
00:51:18.31\00:51:19.31
>>DAVID: And
there was a blindness.
00:51:19.31\00:51:20.71
And as we mentioned before,
you don't see what you don't
00:51:20.71\00:51:22.31
see.
00:51:22.31\00:51:23.38
>>JEFFERY: You're
saying, I don't wanna be overly
00:51:23.38\00:51:25.05
patriotic, I believe that
history itself tempers our,
00:51:25.05\00:51:27.88
yeah, our triumphalism.
00:51:27.88\00:51:30.89
>>TY: It's a mixed bag for
sure, but I think a good way
00:51:30.89\00:51:33.22
to articulate it is isn't
that the ideals were wrong, but
00:51:33.22\00:51:39.89
that people weren't
living up to the ideas that were
00:51:39.89\00:51:42.66
articulated.
00:51:42.66\00:51:43.87
But in the five minutes that
remain, because we're talking
00:51:43.87\00:51:47.44
sola scriptura, I think it'd
be kind of interesting if each
00:51:47.44\00:51:51.87
one of us were to share a
bible, okay, we're saying to
00:51:51.87\00:51:55.51
people out there, you have the
bible and you can study it for
00:51:55.51\00:51:58.75
yourself.
00:51:58.75\00:51:59.68
Give a bible study tip.
00:51:59.68\00:52:01.22
If somebody said to you, hey,
I'd like to study the bible,
00:52:01.22\00:52:04.62
what should I do?
00:52:04.62\00:52:06.35
How should I study the bible?
00:52:06.35\00:52:07.66
>>DAVID: Okay, I'll tell you
in the last 5-7 years, this is
00:52:07.66\00:52:13.40
my simple bible study tip.
00:52:13.40\00:52:15.70
From Genesis to Revelation,
you have basically a single
00:52:15.70\00:52:20.10
story, unifying story in
scripture is the story of
00:52:20.10\00:52:23.14
Abraham.
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God's promises to Abraham,
Abraham's family, Abraham's
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descendants, so that from
Genesis 12, where God calls
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Abraham, right to the end,
this Abrahamic figure keeps
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showing up again and
again and again and again, why?
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Because that story
encapsulates the essence of
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God making a promise to
Abraham and his descendents,
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and then, you come to the
New Testament, God keeping his
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promise to Abraham
and his descendants.
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And so, for me, seeing
the bible not as a series of
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propositions or as a series
of doctrines, but seeing the
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bible as a story being
told with lots of different
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stories, but there's a
composite metastory, and that
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is a story of Abraham and his
descendents and Jesus becomes
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a descendent of Abraham
so that God can do what he
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promised he would do
all the way back in Genesis.
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>>JEFFERY: You
stole the whole point.
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>>TY: That was
mine, that was mine.
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>>DAVID: Well, that's why I
quickly got in there, that's
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why I quickly got in there.
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>>TY: Okay,
Jeffrey, go from there.
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What would you say to someone?
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>>JEFFERY: Well, in addition
to the concept, I mean, to get
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really practical, because you
know, you were hanging out up
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here in etherium, but to be
practical, I'd read a passage,
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a chunk of scripture and I
would simply take a notepad or
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a document on my computer
and ask three simple questions,
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what does this teach me
about the character of God?
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What does this teach me about
the controversy between good
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and evil?
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Or you could say, what
does this teach me about the
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character of Satan?
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And then, number three, I
say, how does this apply to my
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personal daily life?
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>>TY: Oh, that's good.
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>>JEFFERY: So, in a simple,
practical step, I think that's
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an approach to take as we
navigate through the story.
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>>TY: So, you're asking three
questions, and you're looking
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at any given passage, how are
those issues addressed in this
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passage.
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>>JEFFERY: I believe every
passage, every major section
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of scripture
addresses those three questions.
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>>TY: Okay,
James, bible study tip.
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>>JAMES: Not to criticize
Jeffrey for stealing my point
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or David, so, I think that
the bible is saying something to
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us practically, as
Jeffrey alluded to.
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So, when I study scripture, I
wanna know what is the message
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being communicated to me
right now in the scripture?
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I love the historical part
of it, I love that and I think
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it's really important, but
when I read a bible verse, I
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wanna know, what is it
saying to me right now?
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So, for me, what's important
is taking a bible verse and
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looking at the Greek and/or
the Hebrew through a Strong's
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Concordance or some kind
of, and cross referencing every
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verse I can that would
give meaning to that, like, how
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does this word use, so, I'm
looking at that verse and I'm
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understanding what the
original, where those words
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were used in other places of
the bible, connecting them all
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together.
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And then, like a word
study, and that's why I love,
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learning how to study
the bible with a concordance.
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>>DAVID: I'm having déjà vu
right now, no, truly, déjà vu.
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I'm just fully
having a déjà vu experience.
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>>JAMES: Learning how to study
the bible with a concordance
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turned my world upside down.
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It instantly caused me
to become a theologian.
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Okay, a lay theologian,
but a theologian none the less.
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It's being able to go to the
word, having confidence to go
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to the word of God and say,
I can figure this out, I know I
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can figure this out.
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Because I can look at the
Greek and Hebrew, I can go
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back now and trace how
this word is used in the New
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Testament, in the
Old Testament, I can make
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connections that can
really explode out to me.
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That, to me, was
just like, life saving.
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>>TY: Oh, powerful, powerful.
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So, the narrative approach to
scripture and asking three key
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questions, character of
God, character of evil, and how
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does this apply to
me, right here right now.
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And building to number 3,
how does this apply right now in
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any given text?
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Word study, what do the
words mean and how do they cross
00:56:00.22\00:56:02.89
reference with other scripture
that is brought to bear upon
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this one?
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Those are good bible
study tools, and in the five
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seconds, 4, 3, 2, 1, I
can't share mine, but maybe next
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time.
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