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>>TY: One of the most
incredible subjects regarding
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the Protestant reformation,
you guys, is what is commonly
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referred to as the
priesthood of all believers.
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This is such a phenomenal
idea, not just within the
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scope of religion, but within
the larger parameters of how
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this idea, this powerful idea
impacted society as a whole.
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I think that it would not be
an exaggeration to say that we
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live in a world, those of us
who live in cultures in which
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human beings can think for
themselves and pursue whatever
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they wanna pursue and produce
whatever they wanna produce,
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we live in a world that, to
some significant degree, there
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are other factors, but to
some significant degree, was
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produced by this idea, by
this idea, the priesthood of all
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believers.
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And the emphasis that I wanna
begin by giving here is just
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on the word all.
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Nobody was saying anything
that was universally applying
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to human beings in general.
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All, all who?
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All, everybody this applies to.
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>>JEFFERY: And the word
priest, there's a small group
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separated from all.
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>>TY: Yeah, there's the
clergy, and there's the laity,
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and the clergy's elite, and
they have certain privileges
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and access to God and if you
wanna get to God, you gotta go
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through them.
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>>JEFFERY: It's almost a
contradiction, priesthood of
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all, 'cause the word
priesthood and the all don't
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normally go together,
so it's a contradiction.
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>>TY: And so, with Luther
and others before him and after,
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everything was flattened out.
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Just, everybody has equal
access to the monarch of the
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universe.
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>>DAVID: You just, I got
something, keep going, keep
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going.
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>>TY: Everybody has equal
access, but then the converse
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of that, if you have equal
access, that means that you
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now have the privilege of not
only having the access to God,
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but then being a channel
through which God does things
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in the world.
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So, it's this amazing sense
of sanctified independence where
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you can now impact not
just people around you, you can
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impact the world around you.
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And so, out of that idea, this
whole new frontier of insight
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came where now, you can be a
direct source of doing in the
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world to produce
whatever you wanna produce.
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>>JEFFERY: It's a
celebration of individuality.
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Yeah?
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An exaltation of the individual.
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>>TY: It's amazing, isn't it?
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Just the idea.
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We don't think it's, we
don't think it's anything.
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>>JEFFERY: We
take it for granted.
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>>TY: Because we were
all raised with this way of
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thinking in a world
that takes it for granted.
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>>JAMES: I wasn't raised
with that way of thinking.
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So, in my background,
being raised a Catholic, when it
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came to religious matters,
when it came to the idea of
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access to God, it was
always through somebody else.
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It was always through a priest.
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It was always
through a human mediator.
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In fact, even the word of God,
you know, I'm going to church,
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I'm even an altar boy and
experiencing that on a regular
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basis, but I don't really
have access to the word of God.
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Not that it isn't available,
it probably might've been, it
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wasn't in our home, per se,
I might've been able to go down
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to the store in this free
world that I lived in in the
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'60s and '70s and buy one.
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>>DAVID: But you weren't
at liberty to interpret it
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anyway.
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>>JAMES: The idea that I
could actually just read it for
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myself and believe that the
Holy Spirit would lead me to
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understand it was just
completely foreign to me.
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In fact, when I was
21, my mom sent me a bible.
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I was living by myself in
America, she was in England,
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she sent me a bible and I
remember opening it, reading
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one chapter in the gospel
of John, not understanding or
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comprehending it, closing it,
and thinking in my brain, this
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was written for the priest.
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And that was it.
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>>DAVID: You
remember thinking that?
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>>JAMES: I totally
remember thinking that.
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>>DAVID: This was
written for the priest.
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>>JAMES: Yep, and I put
that bible on the shelf for one
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year.
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>>TY: Not knowing
that you were the priest.
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>>DAVID: It actually
was made for a priest.
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>>JAMES: Then, I
remember going, a year later, I
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remember accepting Christ in
my heart and attending Calvary
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Chapel and being so, so
totally hungry for the word
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and just looking at that
preacher who was preaching to
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me at Calvary Chapel and
explaining the word of God and
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just thinking, yes, yes,
yes, still not thinking that I
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could understand
the word for myself.
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>>DAVID: 'Cause he's like
occupying priestly status.
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>>JAMES: Yes.
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And then, I remember being
in a situation where my sister
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was telling me things
about the bible and I was just
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telling her, that's not true,
that's not true, that's not
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true, that's not
true, that's not true.
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Having no idea except
for what was being told.
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And here's my thing.
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So, I said, I know what
I'm gonna do, this is my plan.
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Not that I'm gonna go get
a bible and read it and study
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it, no, this is, and now, you
gotta understand, this is the
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1980s.
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This is not the 16th century,
the 15th century, the 14th
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century, okay?
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This was the 1980s
and this is my plan.
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I'm gonna go to my church,
the Calvary Chapel Church, I'm
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gonna go to this church and
I'm gonna listen to everything
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he says and then, I'll
learn, I'll figure out where my
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sister's off, so I'll be
able to talk to the pastor and
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he'll be able to tell me.
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He can tell me what it is
that my sister is, you know what
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I'm saying?
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He can tell me.
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and so, that was my plan, and
as soon as I did that with my
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sister, you know what she did?
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>>DAVID: I have no idea.
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>>JAMES: She opened the bible.
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[Laughter]
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I'm telling her,
this is, you know...
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>>DAVID: You don't have
your bible with you, you're just
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talking.
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>>JAMES: I don't have a bible,
well, I have that bible, but
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you know, it's like, I don't
understand the bible, that's
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King James.
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Who reads the King James?
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You know what I'm saying?
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I don't get that.
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So, I'm telling, basically,
I'm telling my sister what the
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preacher said, and she's
telling me what God says.
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>>TY: [Laughter]
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You're like, quote,
unquote, the preacher.
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She's like, quote, unquote God.
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>>DAVID: Just this
week, I learned a word,
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disintermediate.
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Disintermediate.
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A friend, Greg, taught it to me.
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Disintermediate.
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Often used in the financial
sector where you have a lot of
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like middlemen and if you
disintermediate, you take out
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one of those middle men.
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And you make more money.
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So, what you needed to
have a disintermediation.
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You needed to have a middle
man removed, whether it was
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the Catholic priest when
you were younger, or the Calvary
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Chapel pastor.
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Not that we couldn't
learn things from, you know, a
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pastor or an authority figure.
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Of course you did, but the
idea that you could take the
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middle man out,
disintermediate that
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situation, and go straight to
the text like your sister was,
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that's
priesthood of all believers.
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And the reason we were
laughing in the middle there,
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of course, as we know,
that scripture says that you are
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all, there's our word, all
kings and priests because of
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what Jesus has done.
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>>JAMES: Where does
the scripture say that?
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We haven't even
looked at those verses.
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[Laughter]
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>>DAVID: The book of
Revelation, chapter 5.
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>>TY: Before we look at the
exact text, why don't we just
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paint a picture of that world,
because it seems, it seems
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like it's not a strange
idea to us, at least right now,
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around this table, that there
would be equal access to the
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word of God, but imagine a
world in which it's literally
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against the law for you to
even have one in your hands.
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In fact, you go to the
religious building over there,
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and it's chained to a wall
so you can't run off with it.
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And it's there, but it's in
a foreign language, and then,
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when the priest does read it
to you, he's reading it to you
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in a foreign
language on purpose.
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The intent being that
you not understand it.
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The intent being that
you not understand it.
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Chained to a wall, in a
foreign language, you don't
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have access to it and it's
literally against the law for
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you to have one in your hands
and read it for yourself, and
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if you're caught with a
bible, thinking for yourself,
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formulating opinions, you
could literally be executed
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for that action.
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That's the world in which
the Protestant reformers lived.
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>>JEFFERY: And even
bigger, there's two categories,
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there's the sacred
and the secular, right?
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And a thick line between
the two, so those who dwell or
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function in the sacred realm
are the popes, the priests,
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the nuns, the monks,
and everybody else is in the
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secular, right?
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In the worldly, in the
temporal, and so, these people
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here have no business on
this side of the line where the
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bible is, where religious
thought is, where doctrine is.
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>>DAVID: And it's not just
a bifurcation, that and that,
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but there's a strong sense
in which, that's the real thing,
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that's the sacred thing, this
is the, not profane maybe, but
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this is the ordinary thing.
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>>JEFFERY: And I think that
that's why what Luther did is
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so revolutionary, because what
Luther did is he did away with
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that line.
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>>TY: Yeah, not just in people
and priest, but he did away
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with the secular
and sacred line, yeah.
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>>JEFFERY: He did more
than just the common man can now
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read the bible for themselves.
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That sort of fits in a
bigger thing that he did.
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He did away with these two
categories in society and that
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is profound because now
everybody who is inhabiting
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this realm, according
to Luther, if you've been
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baptized, if you've confessed
the name of Jesus, if you're a
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Christian, you are
automatically now also part of
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the sacred realm,
so everything you do...
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>>TY: Even if you don't
go into full time vocation.
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>>JEFFERY: Yeah, the mechanic,
the farmer, the guy, yeah, the
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garbage collector.
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Everyone in this realm
now could view everything that
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they are doing, provided that
they have faith in Christ, as
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a vocation directly related
to their relationship with God,
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right?
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So, this is sacred, that
becomes now a sacred vocation.
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>>DAVID: What was this
quotation that you read about
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the common man?
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>>JEFFERY: Well, that's
actually, that quotation was
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in regard to religious liberty.
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There's another quotation that
I wanna read before that, if
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we wanna read, you know, the
words of Luther, this is from
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this document that he produced
called an address to the
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Christian nobility of Germany.
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And this is really the
first time where that line gets
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challenged.
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So, it says, and I quote,
it is pure invention that pope,
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bishops, priests, and monks
are to be called the spiritual
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estate.
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And princes, lords, artisans,
and farmers, the temporal, or
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the secular estate.
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That is indeed a fine
bit of lying and hypocrisy.
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All Christians, he says, are
truly of the spiritual estate
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and there is among them no
difference at all but that of
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office.
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We are all one body, yet
every member has its own work,
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whereby it serves every other.
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All because we have one
baptism, one gospel, one
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faith, we are
all alike Christians.
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And therefore, of
the spiritual estate.
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So, that, yeah, so that,
to us, seems pretty obvious,
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we're used to that, but in
the world he lived in, that
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would've been extremely
provocative and revolutionary.
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So, there is no line.
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>>TY: So, farming is a
spiritual venture, right?
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Manufacturing furniture
is a spiritual vocation.
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I think it was Luther that
said something like, you know,
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the best thing for the
Christian shoemaker to do in
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order to represent God isn't
to put crosses on his shoes,
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but to make good shoes.
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So, in the process of making
good products, God is being
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glorified.
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>>DAVID: Whatever
your hand finds to do.
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>>JEFFERY: So, this whole
thing about reading the bible
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for yourself, that
fits under that umbrella.
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See, if that's true, what
we just said, therefore, the
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farmer should be able to
access scripture for himself.
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Or for herself..
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>>DAVID: Let me just throw in
something on that, real quick,
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James.
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So, Ty said the word, and
you just said it just a moment
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ago, access.
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So, I can't get away from
Romans chapter 5, verse 1,
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therefore, having been
justified by faith, we have
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peace with God through our
Lord Jesus Christ, and I love
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this, through whom also we
have access by faith into this
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grace by which we stand.
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The whole idea of what
Jesus came to do, at it's most
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fundamental level, was to
bring about an access that was
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otherwise unavailable.
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So, he opens up a
point of access, a point of
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availability, and we see
this in the way that Jesus
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conducted his ministry.
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Who is it that he calls to
be his coconspirators in this
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plan to bring the light of
the good news to the world?
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He says, oh, yeah, I need some
fishermen, and I'm gonna need
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a tax collector in here, and
I'm gonna, he's not like going
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to the religious schools,
going to the seminaries, it's
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like he bypasses them.
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>>JAMES: He's not even quoting
a bible verse, he's just doing
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it.
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>>DAVID: He's just doing it
and this point of access, that
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Jesus came to bring access,
but what you have with this
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world that Luther's in,
Luther's world and the world
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before him and the medieval
period, you have this point
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of, you were talking
about chains in that, Ty.
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Everything communicates
a lack of access, a lack of
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availability, a
lack of approachability.
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Oh, wait, wait,
wait, you wanna get to him?
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You talk to me and then I'll,
and then, and then, and then
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maybe we'll get
the telegram through.
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>>TY: I'll broker a
deal with God for you.
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>>DAVID: That whole situation
needed to be disintermediated.
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>>JAMES: David,
what you're saying.
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>>DAVID: I just
wanted to throw it in again.
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>>JAMES: What you're saying
connects directly to a point I
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was gonna make that really
comes out here and that is,
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another wall, I think a
gigantic wall between the holy
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people and the common people
is the qualifications of the
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holy people.
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Jesus, in his day, he
denounced the Pharisees, look
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at them, they look so perfect,
so righteous, so holy, so
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worthy of being priests, so
worthy of being the mediators
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for all of these common people.
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And when I was a kind, I
mean, the whole idea of being a
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priest was repulsive to me.
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It was repulsive to me from
the perspective that, that's
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what you have to be to be
a priest, you have to be that
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holy and that righteous and
that isolated from everything
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around you and that different
and I think what Luther is
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doing is he's saying,
actually, no, you could maybe
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even get married, scandal
of scandals, and still be a
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priest.
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And he did, and you could
actually, you can actually,
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you can actually.
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Matthew, you can be a priest.
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Matthew, John, James, you
sons of thunders, Peter, Peter,
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even Judas has the potential,
Judas has the potential, the
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potential is there.
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Doubting Thomas for sure.
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>>DAVID: It's so interesting,
James, hearing you say that
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and you having told your story
about having been raised in
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the Catholic situation, it
reminded me of something that
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I have not remembered for years.
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So, I wasn't raised in a
strong Christian home as such,
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but my mom had been sort
of a Baptist and my father was
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Catholic.
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So, when they married,
they did what you might call the
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logical thing and
they became Episcopalian.
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[Laughter]
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Which is about as close
as you can get to Catholicism
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without being that.
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So, I'm raised, you
know, in this sort of nominal
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Episcopalian church and my
mom wanted me to be an acolyte,
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right, which is
like an altar boy.
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Call them
acolytes, you know that term?
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So, I was an acolyte.
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And so, I had to go to acolyte
training and wear the gown, I
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went to acolyte training and
we were taught on how to light
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the candles, many a service.
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We had these candle lighters
and I would have to light the
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candle and you're in front
of the whole church, the whole
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church, and my hand is shaking
like this and I'm trying to
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light the candle and it won't,
and I'm trying to get that
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little wick, got it, and
then, my job was to light the
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candles.
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And then, when it was done,
you turned that little thing
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over, there was a cup on there.
00:16:51.21\00:16:52.47
>>JAMES: And you put
the cup down on, yeah.
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Did the same thing.
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>>DAVID: you've been there, too.
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>>JAMES: Absolutely.
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>>DAVID: So, my point was, the
whole thing was so procedural.
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It was so, it was so
ceremonial, and at the end of
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the day, I can say only in
my little 8 year old mind, my
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little 10 year old mind, I did
not perceive that it was about
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access to God, it just seemed
like this is what you do in
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church.
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Like, you go to church and you
put these on and you do this,
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and so, then when I saw, I
was the little acolyte and then
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there was the
priest, Father Ron.
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Yeah, the big acolyte.
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And Father Steve.
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And these guys, I mean, Father
Steve was, he was a cool cat.
00:17:32.25\00:17:34.32
I liked him a lot.
00:17:34.32\00:17:35.45
But I'm with you, there
was nothing that was appealing
00:17:35.45\00:17:39.19
about that.
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I just was like.
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If you would've questioned
me about it, I'm not sure that I
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would've even known that
it was even about God as such.
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It was about church,
this is what you do in church.
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>>TY: Okay, so,
that's Catholicism and the
00:17:51.97\00:17:53.74
Episcopalian church, this
is high church, this is very
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formal, this is very
ceremonial, but at the same
00:17:56.20\00:17:59.21
time, it's, we're not saying,
yeah, those churches are like
00:17:59.21\00:18:04.98
that and it's lame.
00:18:04.98\00:18:06.98
>>DAVID: No, I'm saying as
a child, I just was not taking
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it in.
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>>TY: I know you weren't,
but let me just add something.
00:18:09.82\00:18:11.89
The fact is, as human nature
is naturally gravitating in
00:18:11.89\00:18:16.52
that direction, religion
oftentimes is just a hiding
00:18:16.52\00:18:21.93
place from God.
00:18:21.93\00:18:23.13
If you can go
through the ceremonies.
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So, it doesn't matter if
its Catholic, Episcopalian,
00:18:25.53\00:18:28.90
Baptist, Adventist, the
fact is, even in our own faith,
00:18:28.90\00:18:34.54
it's oftentimes
just a spectator sport.
00:18:34.54\00:18:38.01
People just go through,
there's certain clothes you
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wear and you go and you sit
in certain kinds of seating and
00:18:40.42\00:18:44.62
there's a pulpit and the
person comes out and says
00:18:44.62\00:18:47.52
certain things and you go.
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It's a lot where Protestants
were on the far liberal end of
00:18:49.39\00:18:53.90
the spectrum ceremonially,
but it's still a formal process
00:18:53.90\00:18:58.07
that everybody in concert
goes through and feels like, I
00:18:58.07\00:19:02.64
don't know what's going on
in everybody's hearts, but in my
00:19:02.64\00:19:05.37
own, oftentimes, we feel
like, okay, we did our duty.
00:19:05.37\00:19:09.88
We went to church.
00:19:09.88\00:19:11.38
>>JEFFERY: It's our
own version of ritualistic
00:19:11.38\00:19:12.88
religion.
00:19:12.88\00:19:14.02
>>TY: Ours is a little bit
more casual, but we're still
00:19:14.02\00:19:17.42
going through, it's the
same thing psychologically.
00:19:17.42\00:19:20.02
We're going through a
process of trying to get to God
00:19:20.02\00:19:24.33
through layer after layer
after layer of accoutrements
00:19:24.33\00:19:30.97
that are religious and
it's there and it's blocking our
00:19:30.97\00:19:34.10
vision.
00:19:34.10\00:19:35.14
We need to know in our
own hearts and we need to
00:19:35.14\00:19:38.27
encourage, you know, everybody
that we possibly can that,
00:19:38.27\00:19:43.28
hey, you could literally
be driving down the street or
00:19:43.28\00:19:46.92
flipping burgers at your place
of employment, selling real
00:19:46.92\00:19:50.19
estate and pause and open your
heart to God as to a friend.
00:19:50.19\00:19:53.66
Right there, in your car,
right there at your job, right
00:19:53.66\00:19:57.19
there at your, you can
just say, Lord, this is what I'm
00:19:57.19\00:20:01.60
thinking, this is what
I'm going through, I can't
00:20:01.60\00:20:03.57
navigate this.
00:20:03.57\00:20:05.30
Direct access to God in
your heart, in your mind.
00:20:05.30\00:20:14.94
It's just amazing that
we have that privilege.
00:20:14.94\00:20:18.28
Amazing that we
have that privilege.
00:20:18.28\00:20:20.18
>>DAVID: And it
was revolutionary.
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>>JEFFERY: Do we
have time to go to a text?
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>>TY: No, we
have to take a break.
00:20:22.65\00:20:24.09
You bring that text
right after the break.
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>>TY: Man, oh, man.
00:22:38.09\00:22:39.15
This priesthood of all
believers idea has gotta be
00:22:39.15\00:22:41.12
one of the most powerful
concepts ever released upon
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the human race.
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It's just incredible to
realize that human beings have
00:22:45.39\00:22:47.96
direct access to God and every
one of us have that access and
00:22:47.96\00:22:52.17
that everything that we do
in life is a spiritual vocation,
00:22:52.17\00:22:56.54
or can be a spiritual vocation.
00:22:56.54\00:23:00.61
Jeffrey, you had some
scripture, you had something
00:23:00.61\00:23:02.14
you wanted to bring.
00:23:02.14\00:23:03.24
>>JEFFERY: Well, the text
that the reformers actually
00:23:03.24\00:23:05.05
discovered, that they
encountered that opened up
00:23:05.05\00:23:08.05
this whole realm,
there's several key texts.
00:23:08.05\00:23:11.39
One of them is 1 Peter chapter
2 and verse 9, and it would be
00:23:11.39\00:23:17.73
wrong to have this discussion
and not read this passage.
00:23:17.73\00:23:23.20
1 Peter 2:9 and it says, but
you are a chosen generation, a
00:23:23.20\00:23:29.10
royal priesthood, and
that's the word they latched on.
00:23:29.10\00:23:32.37
A holy nation, his own special
people that you may proclaim
00:23:32.37\00:23:36.85
the praises of him who called
you out of darkness into his
00:23:36.85\00:23:41.62
marvelous light.
00:23:41.62\00:23:42.98
So, you were talking about
the different scenarios in the
00:23:42.98\00:23:45.52
car, selling real estate,
whatever, you can pause for a
00:23:45.52\00:23:49.06
moment and encounter God.
00:23:49.06\00:23:51.03
This text here tells us, what
is it that qualifies you as a
00:23:51.03\00:23:54.00
member of the priesthood?
00:23:54.00\00:23:56.93
I think the second half of
the verse is connected to the
00:23:56.93\00:24:00.24
first half.
00:24:00.24\00:24:01.44
The second half says that
you proclaim the praises of him
00:24:01.44\00:24:04.57
who called you out of
darkness into the light.
00:24:04.57\00:24:07.74
Those are the
sacrifices that you offer.
00:24:07.74\00:24:10.81
Those are the sacrifices that
qualifies you as a member of
00:24:10.81\00:24:15.62
the priesthood.
00:24:15.62\00:24:17.72
And so, you're not offering,
this is spiritual priesthood,
00:24:17.72\00:24:21.42
obviously.
00:24:21.42\00:24:22.39
You're not offering a
literal blood sacrifice.
00:24:22.39\00:24:25.33
You're offering the testimony
of praise that flows from your
00:24:25.33\00:24:29.36
life.
00:24:29.36\00:24:30.87
You're testifying of
the experience of going from
00:24:30.87\00:24:36.44
darkness to light.
00:24:36.44\00:24:37.84
Basically, this
is gospel language.
00:24:37.84\00:24:39.74
Your experience of
encountering the gospel and
00:24:39.74\00:24:42.81
so, if that's true, then
anybody who's encountered the
00:24:42.81\00:24:46.48
gospel has been elected as
a member of the priesthood.
00:24:46.48\00:24:52.52
And can offer sacrifices of
praise in every and any aspect
00:24:52.52\00:24:58.83
of your life.
00:24:58.83\00:24:59.76
And that was hugely
liberating to discover.
00:24:59.76\00:25:04.57
>>JAMES: There's something
else here that I think is
00:25:04.57\00:25:05.87
really significant and it
goes along with what Ty said
00:25:05.87\00:25:07.70
earlier.
00:25:07.70\00:25:08.84
If you continue with these
verses, you find a couple of
00:25:08.84\00:25:11.27
admonitions here that really
apply to the idea that the
00:25:11.27\00:25:15.11
priesthood of all believers
is supposed to impact us in our
00:25:15.11\00:25:17.91
vocation, whatever it is.
00:25:17.91\00:25:20.12
It's supposed to help us to
relate to people in a way that
00:25:20.12\00:25:24.12
gives God the glory and
actually testifies to him.
00:25:24.12\00:25:28.66
I'm thinking here,
specifically, of verse 12,
00:25:28.66\00:25:31.53
having you a conversation,
now, this is we're reading 1
00:25:31.53\00:25:34.36
Peter chapter 2 and Jeffery,
you read verse 9, and just
00:25:34.36\00:25:37.40
keep reading, you get to verse
12, and this is the context,
00:25:37.40\00:25:40.44
having your conversation, that
is, your conduct, honest among
00:25:40.44\00:25:43.91
the Gentiles.
00:25:43.91\00:25:45.57
That whereas they speak
against you as evildoers, they
00:25:45.57\00:25:48.38
made by your good works, which
should behold glorify God in
00:25:48.38\00:25:51.11
the day of his visitation.
00:25:51.11\00:25:52.71
>>TY: Well, that's
good, I've never seen that.
00:25:52.71\00:25:53.95
So, that's taking
you right to daily life.
00:25:53.95\00:25:55.78
>>JAMES: Yeah, and it
continues on, it talks about
00:25:55.78\00:25:57.39
marriage, it talks about work,
it talks about the king, the
00:25:57.39\00:26:01.16
governor, the president, in
other words, in everything we
00:26:01.16\00:26:04.16
do, because we're a priesthood
of believers, in everything we
00:26:04.16\00:26:07.60
do, we should be exemplifying
God and relating to people in
00:26:07.60\00:26:12.73
a way that we do our best in
our vocation so that God gets
00:26:12.73\00:26:16.81
the glory.
00:26:16.81\00:26:17.91
I love that idea because
that's a completely different
00:26:17.91\00:26:20.01
motivation.
00:26:20.01\00:26:21.21
>>DAVID: And I love that,
and not just exemplifying, there
00:26:21.21\00:26:22.51
is that sort of evangelistic,
administorial role, but
00:26:22.51\00:26:25.81
there's also, you
become a point of access.
00:26:25.81\00:26:27.75
Not a point of access in the
sense of mediation, but just a
00:26:27.75\00:26:31.05
point of, hey, look, this
is the gospel, this is what the
00:26:31.05\00:26:35.26
gospel looks like.
00:26:35.26\00:26:36.76
If I'm a cobbler or I'm
a seamstress or I'm a truck
00:26:36.76\00:26:39.63
driver.
00:26:39.63\00:26:40.66
>>TY: A cobbler, he said.
00:26:40.66\00:26:42.43
[Laughter]
00:26:42.43\00:26:43.80
A person who makes cobbler.
00:26:43.80\00:26:47.00
>>DAVID: No,
cobbler makes shoes.
00:26:47.00\00:26:49.87
>>TY: I know what a cobbler is.
00:26:49.87\00:26:51.31
>>DAVID: How can you give
me a hard time about cobbler?
00:26:51.31\00:26:53.54
>>TY: Just such an old word.
00:26:53.54\00:26:55.51
>>DAVID: Well, I'll tell
you why it jumped out at me,
00:26:55.51\00:26:57.98
because, listen, I
gotta give it context here.
00:26:57.98\00:26:59.51
>>TY: Nobody watching this
is saying, yeah, I'm a cobbler.
00:26:59.51\00:27:01.05
[Laughter]
00:27:01.05\00:27:03.05
>>DAVID: The high school
that I went to was Stevens High
00:27:03.05\00:27:05.09
School in Rapid City,
South Dakota, and our cross-town
00:27:05.09\00:27:08.26
rivals was the Central Cobblers.
00:27:08.26\00:27:11.76
>>TY: Really?
00:27:11.76\00:27:12.86
>>DAVID: Yeah, so
it's always been there.
00:27:12.86\00:27:14.93
I just wanna use my words, okay?
00:27:14.93\00:27:16.26
Leave me alone, leave me alone.
00:27:16.26\00:27:17.73
>>JEFFERY: But you said, not
in the sense of mediation, but
00:27:17.73\00:27:19.83
this is what God looks like,
I don't even have a problem with
00:27:19.83\00:27:22.67
it being in a
sense of mediation.
00:27:22.67\00:27:24.64
>>DAVID: Well, it's mediation
like, if somebody were to come
00:27:24.64\00:27:26.64
to me, I would say, hey, you
don't have to come to me, you
00:27:26.64\00:27:28.88
just.
00:27:28.88\00:27:29.94
So, you're there as an
advertisement, you are there
00:27:29.94\00:27:31.91
in the priestly role, 'cause
the priests had a number of
00:27:31.91\00:27:34.45
roles, of which
mediation was one.
00:27:34.45\00:27:36.25
Education is a role.
00:27:36.25\00:27:37.99
Right?
00:27:37.99\00:27:39.19
When you were saying the thing
about sacrifices of praise,
00:27:39.19\00:27:41.02
man.
00:27:41.02\00:27:41.96
Romans 12:1, bam.
00:27:41.96\00:27:43.09
I beseech you, therefore,
brethren, by the mercies of
00:27:43.09\00:27:45.69
God that you present your
bodies a living sacrifice,
00:27:45.69\00:27:49.30
holy and acceptable to
God which is your reasonable
00:27:49.30\00:27:51.37
service.
00:27:51.37\00:27:52.60
I love the NIV there, which is
your spiritual act of worship.
00:27:52.60\00:27:56.14
Present your bodies to God,
that is your spiritual act of
00:27:56.14\00:28:00.58
worship.
00:28:00.58\00:28:01.71
>>JEFFERY: So, you're not
presenting a sacrifice, you
00:28:01.71\00:28:03.55
are the sacrifice.
00:28:03.55\00:28:05.35
>>TY: We recently did a series
at our church called why we
00:28:05.35\00:28:08.92
worship and one of the
messages, yeah, one of the
00:28:08.92\00:28:11.99
messages was dedicated to
the idea that you come to church
00:28:11.99\00:28:16.19
and you engage in the act
of worship in the sanctuary, we
00:28:16.19\00:28:21.43
say, and one of the messages
was saying and then, when you
00:28:21.43\00:28:25.20
leave this building, you
are the place of worship that
00:28:25.20\00:28:29.84
people are encountering.
00:28:29.84\00:28:30.91
You are the temple of God.
00:28:30.91\00:28:32.81
In your daily vocation,
whatever you're doing, you are
00:28:32.81\00:28:36.41
like the tabernacle of Moses
and the children of Israel in
00:28:36.41\00:28:40.12
the wilderness, the mobile
tabernacle that was just out
00:28:40.12\00:28:43.12
and about, just moving around,
and people wherever you go
00:28:43.12\00:28:48.22
have an opportunity to
encounter God in your, I'm
00:28:48.22\00:28:53.76
gonna use the word that
James brought to us, your
00:28:53.76\00:28:55.60
conversation, your
conduct, your life is a point of
00:28:55.60\00:28:59.13
contact for
people to access God.
00:28:59.13\00:29:02.80
>>DAVID: So, leading up to
the passage that we read, which
00:29:02.80\00:29:05.17
you said was one of the
definitive texts for this
00:29:05.17\00:29:07.14
reformers idea of the
priesthood of all believers is
00:29:07.14\00:29:10.41
this passage, 2 Peter
chapter 2, beginning in verse 4,
00:29:10.41\00:29:12.51
coming to him, Christ, as to
a living stone, rejected indeed
00:29:12.51\00:29:15.92
by men, but chosen by God and
precious, you also, comma, as
00:29:15.92\00:29:19.85
living stones, comma, are
being built up a spiritual
00:29:19.85\00:29:24.56
house, a place of worship.
00:29:24.56\00:29:26.06
A hole priesthood to
offer up spiritual sacrifices
00:29:26.06\00:29:28.86
acceptable to God
through Jesus Christ.
00:29:28.86\00:29:31.13
>>JEFFERY: It's right there.
00:29:31.13\00:29:32.83
>>DAVID: And again, we take
this for granted, we take this
00:29:32.83\00:29:37.01
for granted, but in Luther's
time, in Calvin's time, in the
00:29:37.01\00:29:40.51
reformers' time, going back
even earlier into, you know,
00:29:40.51\00:29:42.64
John Hus, this is wild.
00:29:42.64\00:29:48.15
Because the point is not about
access, the point is about the
00:29:48.15\00:29:51.09
church.
00:29:51.09\00:29:52.22
One of the big divisions,
like, one of the big picture
00:29:52.22\00:29:55.22
divisions between the
Protestant reformer's view of
00:29:55.22\00:29:59.39
church and then, the Roman
church's view of church was
00:29:59.39\00:30:02.00
really simple.
00:30:02.00\00:30:03.06
Is the church's primary
role proclamational or is it
00:30:03.06\00:30:06.00
mediatory?
00:30:06.00\00:30:08.57
Is the church primarily have
something to say or something
00:30:08.57\00:30:11.44
to do?
00:30:11.44\00:30:12.64
If the church has something
to say, that's proclamational,
00:30:12.64\00:30:15.31
that's to go tell the gospel
that you can go straight to
00:30:15.31\00:30:17.71
God.
00:30:17.71\00:30:18.91
Or, is it, hey, no, no, no,
no, no, the church is here in
00:30:18.91\00:30:20.65
a mediatorial role, you come
to the church and the church
00:30:20.65\00:30:23.39
mediates through the
sacraments the grace of God.
00:30:23.39\00:30:26.76
This is a total turnaround
from primarily mediatorial to
00:30:26.76\00:30:30.96
proclamational.
00:30:30.96\00:30:31.86
We got something to say.
00:30:31.86\00:30:33.03
>>JAMES: And one of
the reasons, I think for me
00:30:33.03\00:30:34.56
anyway, why it was so
appealing, not so appealing,
00:30:34.56\00:30:37.23
but why it was like I'm
getting off the hook here is,
00:30:37.23\00:30:39.13
in relation to the mediatoral,
in relation to something to do
00:30:39.13\00:30:42.34
was, I can just go to church
once a week or once a quarter
00:30:42.34\00:30:46.24
at Christmas and Easter, I
can dump all my sins, I can get
00:30:46.24\00:30:48.94
absolution, and then, I
can go live my life to live it.
00:30:48.94\00:30:51.28
>>DAVID: The thick line
that Jeffrey's talking about
00:30:51.28\00:30:54.18
between that and that.
00:30:54.18\00:30:55.45
>>JAMES: By reason of
transgression, the truth was
00:30:55.45\00:30:56.99
cast to the ground and
the sanctuary was cast down.
00:30:56.99\00:30:58.82
In other words, because it
allows you just to continue
00:30:58.82\00:31:00.72
life as it, you get your
ticket to heaven, but you get
00:31:00.72\00:31:02.99
to continue your life as
is, whereas, in proclamation, a
00:31:02.99\00:31:06.66
transformation is expected.
00:31:06.66\00:31:08.90
There's an expectation
that the gospel of Jesus Christ
00:31:08.90\00:31:11.97
will actually take hold
of the heart and the mind and
00:31:11.97\00:31:14.60
transform you so that you will
actually want to go from that
00:31:14.60\00:31:17.61
place and be that
living temple that you have
00:31:17.61\00:31:20.18
encountered in this.
00:31:20.18\00:31:21.81
>>DAVID: It's not
just a legal transaction.
00:31:21.81\00:31:23.91
>>JEFFERY: I wanted to
read, again, just following the
00:31:23.91\00:31:28.22
train of thought, I'm trying
to imagine, what would it have
00:31:28.22\00:31:30.85
been like to stumble on
this truth for the first time,
00:31:30.85\00:31:35.36
right?
00:31:35.36\00:31:36.56
And so, going back to these
documents that were written in
00:31:36.56\00:31:39.63
the 1520s, the first time this
conversation, you know, took
00:31:39.63\00:31:44.13
place in history, took
place around the table, so, when
00:31:44.13\00:31:47.54
Luther thinks about this
concept, he now, it's like
00:31:47.54\00:31:50.91
when you see something,
you can't not see it, you know
00:31:50.91\00:31:54.14
what I'm saying?
00:31:54.14\00:31:55.31
Like, when I drive, you
know, I drive a Civic, a silver
00:31:55.31\00:31:57.75
Civic, and now I see silver
Civics everywhere and I never
00:31:57.75\00:32:00.52
noticed them before, because
now that I see it, I can't not
00:32:00.52\00:32:02.68
see it.
00:32:02.68\00:32:03.89
So, when you see this truth,
you can't not see it anywhere
00:32:03.89\00:32:06.45
you look in scripture, so
when Luther goes back to now the
00:32:06.45\00:32:09.89
gospel story, he
starts sharing how this is
00:32:09.89\00:32:14.00
everywhere.
00:32:14.00\00:32:15.10
He says, for example, when
you think of Mary, when Mary
00:32:15.10\00:32:20.67
received the news that she
would be the mother of Jesus,
00:32:20.67\00:32:23.44
he says, what did she do when
she received that astounding
00:32:23.44\00:32:28.54
news.
00:32:28.54\00:32:29.71
He says, she went back and
continued sweeping the floor,
00:32:29.71\00:32:35.58
cleaning the dishes.
00:32:35.58\00:32:37.59
So, then, he goes further and
he says, when Jesus was born,
00:32:37.59\00:32:43.39
what did the shepherds who
came and saw and celebrated
00:32:43.39\00:32:47.50
and said, glory to God, this
is God, he said, what did they
00:32:47.50\00:32:51.97
do?
00:32:51.97\00:32:52.77
And I just wanna
read this to you.
00:32:52.77\00:32:53.60
He says here.
00:32:53.60\00:32:54.97
>>DAVID: This is Luther.
00:32:54.97\00:32:56.64
>>JEFFERY: Yeah, he says, the
text says, and they returned,
00:32:56.64\00:32:59.94
and then he picks up.
00:32:59.94\00:33:02.58
He says, where did they return?
00:33:02.58\00:33:05.31
They returned back to their,
yeah, yeah, so he says, surely
00:33:05.31\00:33:11.22
that must be wrong.
00:33:11.22\00:33:13.02
And he's mocking.
00:33:13.02\00:33:16.12
He says,
there's a mistake there.
00:33:16.12\00:33:18.49
We should correct the passage.
00:33:18.49\00:33:21.00
It should read, quote,
they went, shaved their heads,
00:33:21.00\00:33:24.73
fasted, clothed their
rosaries, and put on their
00:33:24.73\00:33:28.14
monk, you know,
their monk hoods.
00:33:28.14\00:33:30.21
He continues, instead we
read, the shepherds returned.
00:33:30.21\00:33:35.44
And then, he says, where to?
00:33:35.44\00:33:37.55
To their sheep.
00:33:37.55\00:33:39.41
And then, he says, the sheep
would've been in a bad state
00:33:39.41\00:33:43.49
had they not.
00:33:43.49\00:33:45.52
>>JAMES: I love that,
I absolutely love that.
00:33:45.52\00:33:47.89
>>JEFFERY: So, just the
simplicity of that, and it's
00:33:47.89\00:33:49.69
what you were saying, right?
00:33:49.69\00:33:50.86
It's, they're sacrifices.
00:33:50.86\00:33:55.50
They are walking
priests and walking sacrifices.
00:33:55.50\00:33:59.17
Yeah, shepherding now becomes
a sacred act so long as it's
00:33:59.17\00:34:05.04
done in the context of this
is an expression of my faith to
00:34:05.04\00:34:09.11
Christ and the reason they're
walking priests is because now
00:34:09.11\00:34:13.15
you said the
word contact, right?
00:34:13.15\00:34:15.15
That's the point of the church.
00:34:15.15\00:34:16.35
We become a point of contact
between other human beings and
00:34:16.35\00:34:19.09
God.
00:34:19.09\00:34:20.19
So, now, be it Mary or
the shepherds, they are now a
00:34:20.19\00:34:23.39
point of contact
because they've seen, they've
00:34:23.39\00:34:25.83
witnessed something and now,
their function is to now relay
00:34:25.83\00:34:30.87
that in whatever capacity
they find themselves in and so,
00:34:30.87\00:34:33.87
what can be more
liberating than that?
00:34:33.87\00:34:35.80
>>TY: And then, in the larger,
biblical context, not only do
00:34:35.80\00:34:38.71
you become a point of contact
for other people, you're a
00:34:38.71\00:34:41.44
point of contact for the sheep
and for all of life, because
00:34:41.44\00:34:46.28
the human being is a steward
over creation and the animals
00:34:46.28\00:34:50.25
in this world should
experience the kindness of
00:34:50.25\00:34:53.92
their stewards, right?
00:34:53.92\00:34:55.86
I mean, all of life is to
be, the quality of life is to be
00:34:55.86\00:35:00.06
elevated on all levels.
00:35:00.06\00:35:01.30
But, hey, we're doing
something around this table
00:35:01.30\00:35:03.57
that I just remembered, Luther
actually modeled this by doing
00:35:03.57\00:35:10.77
something called Table Talk.
00:35:10.77\00:35:13.17
We didn't come up with
this idea called Table Talk.
00:35:13.17\00:35:15.31
This is namesaked after Martin
Luther, because Martin Luther,
00:35:15.31\00:35:20.25
after he left his role as
a monk and became a reformer,
00:35:20.25\00:35:26.15
Luther formed the habit in
the community of just pulling
00:35:26.15\00:35:30.93
together people,
sitting around a table, and they
00:35:30.93\00:35:33.73
actually called it, you
can actually Google Table Talk,
00:35:33.73\00:35:36.26
Martin Luther, and the
discussions that they had
00:35:36.26\00:35:38.90
around the table with Luther
are recorded, and he would
00:35:38.90\00:35:41.17
just spontaneously let them
bring up any topic they wanted
00:35:41.17\00:35:43.87
to bring up, he would just
sit there and have chats with
00:35:43.87\00:35:46.68
people that, yeah, they
weren't recording them and
00:35:46.68\00:35:49.24
airing them on television,
of course, but they were having
00:35:49.24\00:35:51.35
Table Talks, and that was a
modeling of their priesthood
00:35:51.35\00:35:54.48
of all believers.
00:35:54.48\00:35:55.68
>>JAMES: I really wanna pick
up on this point, because you
00:35:55.68\00:35:58.75
talked about church earlier,
and I do think that there's a
00:35:58.75\00:36:01.76
place for preaching, but I
really do believe that this is
00:36:01.76\00:36:04.86
an important aspect of legacy,
this idea of Table Talk is an
00:36:04.86\00:36:10.13
important aspect of the legacy
that Luther has handed down to
00:36:10.13\00:36:13.13
us, because I think we can do
the same thing, I'm just gonna
00:36:13.13\00:36:16.60
use this phrase with our
Sunday school lesson or our
00:36:16.60\00:36:19.94
Sabbath school lesson.
00:36:19.94\00:36:21.18
We can do the same thing
that we do with a sermon.
00:36:21.18\00:36:23.68
It can become a second sermon,
someone gets up front, they
00:36:23.68\00:36:27.25
open up the lesson and
they just begin to monologue,
00:36:27.25\00:36:29.78
monologue, monologue, monologue.
00:36:29.78\00:36:31.85
And something that's
really been powerful in pastoral
00:36:31.85\00:36:35.36
ministry for me
is a pastor's class.
00:36:35.36\00:36:38.39
I was, in both churches that
I pastored, the one that I'm
00:36:38.39\00:36:42.00
pastoring now and the one that
I was pastoring previously, I
00:36:42.00\00:36:44.43
received a little bit
of pushback to starting the
00:36:44.43\00:36:46.50
pastor's class.
00:36:46.50\00:36:47.57
And after I was finally
able to get it, one of the
00:36:47.57\00:36:50.91
churches, which it took about
a year to do, the thing that
00:36:50.91\00:36:54.94
was said to me was,
well, after this class starts,
00:36:54.94\00:36:57.81
because my point was,
there's gonna be a lot of people
00:36:57.81\00:37:00.12
coming to our church that
are brand new and they can't sit
00:37:00.12\00:37:02.48
in our regular church, they
don't understand, they're just
00:37:02.48\00:37:05.32
starting, they're babies
and they need to be nurtured.
00:37:05.32\00:37:08.52
And so, the idea was, well,
after you get them nurtured,
00:37:08.52\00:37:12.46
then you can, you know,
they all go and we don't need to
00:37:12.46\00:37:14.46
have that class anymore.
00:37:14.46\00:37:15.90
But here's the
point I'm trying to make.
00:37:15.90\00:37:17.53
>>DAVID: Why
wouldn't they want a class?
00:37:17.53\00:37:18.97
I'm totally confused by that.
00:37:18.97\00:37:20.30
>>JAMES: Here's the point,
yeah, exactly, and here's the
00:37:20.30\00:37:21.97
point I'm trying to make,
have we come to a place in some
00:37:21.97\00:37:25.17
circles where we are
doing the same thing that Luther
00:37:25.17\00:37:30.11
opposed?
00:37:30.11\00:37:31.65
Setting up a ritualistic form
that everyone goes to and they
00:37:31.65\00:37:35.52
just sit through it and
they sit through it and they sit
00:37:35.52\00:37:37.55
through it.
00:37:37.55\00:37:38.72
So, the pastor's class
that I'm having now, it's really
00:37:38.72\00:37:41.06
interesting, the majority
of the people that attend that
00:37:41.06\00:37:43.39
class are not
members of the church.
00:37:43.39\00:37:46.39
And we sit down and we talk.
00:37:46.39\00:37:49.63
I don't have any
agenda, we just talk.
00:37:49.63\00:37:51.43
Hey, how was your week?
00:37:51.43\00:37:52.40
Anything we can pray for?
00:37:52.40\00:37:53.34
How was your week?
00:37:53.34\00:37:54.07
Anything?
00:37:54.07\00:37:55.20
And then, I just take
notes so, next time that we sit
00:37:55.20\00:37:56.97
down, hey, how's it going
with that issue that we prayed
00:37:56.97\00:38:00.71
about last time?
00:38:00.71\00:38:01.88
Or, give me an update on
your situation what was taking
00:38:01.88\00:38:04.31
place with thus and such.
00:38:04.31\00:38:05.88
And then, as we go through,
each person talks and we
00:38:05.88\00:38:08.52
interact, whatever, amazing
theology, practical theology
00:38:08.52\00:38:12.79
comes out of this.
00:38:12.79\00:38:14.02
And then, when we're done,
we have a basic outline, a basic
00:38:14.02\00:38:16.56
scripture outline that we're
going through, sometimes we
00:38:16.56\00:38:19.66
get to it, sometimes, we don't.
00:38:19.66\00:38:21.16
Right now, we're going through
Matthew 26, which is really
00:38:21.16\00:38:23.06
powerful, the steps that
prepared Jesus for Gethsemane,
00:38:23.06\00:38:26.53
because life for us is a
preparation in Gethsemane in a
00:38:26.53\00:38:29.90
way, a preparation to
understand how it is that we
00:38:29.90\00:38:33.07
can deal with the separation
from God that we're feeling in
00:38:33.07\00:38:35.41
our lives, but I really
believe that that's what
00:38:35.41\00:38:39.05
people need.
00:38:39.05\00:38:40.15
We need to have Table
Talks in every church in every,
00:38:40.15\00:38:42.52
wherever we are, we need to be
able to just sit down and talk
00:38:42.52\00:38:44.92
about stuff.
00:38:44.92\00:38:46.12
And not have some guy in an
office somewhere who's figured
00:38:46.12\00:38:48.46
out, this is exactly what you
need to cover this, these next
00:38:48.46\00:38:50.59
9 weeks, these are the things
you need to talk about, here's
00:38:50.59\00:38:54.20
the points you need to make,
here's the points you don't
00:38:54.20\00:38:56.33
need to make, make sure, no.
00:38:56.33\00:38:58.07
That's, I'm not downing
that, I'm not saying that that's
00:38:58.07\00:39:01.07
bad, I think that's fine, I
think that's good, but I don't
00:39:01.07\00:39:03.54
think that's the only
thing we should be doing.
00:39:03.54\00:39:05.84
There needs to be a
little bit more Table Talk.
00:39:05.84\00:39:10.05
Sit down, what's on
your brain right now?
00:39:10.05\00:39:12.68
So, I think this Table Talk
idea, we're doing this right
00:39:12.68\00:39:14.78
here and people have, you
know, they've said, hey, I'd
00:39:14.78\00:39:16.79
love to sit in, or hey,
I'd love, because that's what
00:39:16.79\00:39:19.82
people are hungry for.
00:39:19.82\00:39:20.99
>>TY: Yeah, we've gotten
the word from all over the place
00:39:20.99\00:39:22.36
where people are
actually doing this.
00:39:22.36\00:39:24.13
They watch the program and
they say, hey, let's do one in
00:39:24.13\00:39:25.76
my kitchen.
00:39:25.76\00:39:26.83
This one lady came to me
recently and said, yeah, me
00:39:26.83\00:39:29.00
and a few of my friends, we
do Table Talk in my kitchen, we
00:39:29.00\00:39:32.07
just sit there and do
what you guys are doing.
00:39:32.07\00:39:34.77
There's another guy
in Australia, and they've
00:39:34.77\00:39:36.97
launched Table Talk in
Australia, they're filming,
00:39:36.97\00:39:39.47
and then, there's one in
Germany, in German, that's
00:39:39.47\00:39:42.48
actually doing a
13-part series on the Protestant
00:39:42.48\00:39:45.05
reformation as we're doing,
well, they already finished
00:39:45.05\00:39:47.25
theirs.
00:39:47.25\00:39:48.38
I don't know what any of
it says, it's all in German.
00:39:48.38\00:39:49.58
But these are friends of ours,
these are people in Germany
00:39:49.58\00:39:51.89
who are just saying, hey...
00:39:51.89\00:39:53.99
>>DAVID: And the set looks
quite similar to this, it's so
00:39:53.99\00:39:55.89
cool.
00:39:55.89\00:39:56.96
>>TY: It's amazing,
people are just doing it.
00:39:56.96\00:39:58.49
>>DAVID: We spent a
lot of money on this set.
00:39:58.49\00:39:59.83
This is big money, here.
00:39:59.83\00:40:00.96
The blackness around us.
00:40:00.96\00:40:02.10
[Laughter]
00:40:02.10\00:40:04.90
>>TY: Okay, we have to
take our second break, but yeah,
00:40:04.90\00:40:08.10
this is a great
discussion, we'll be right back.
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>>TY: As we begin this
section, I thought it'd be
00:41:14.34\00:41:16.50
good to give the Old
Testament background to the New
00:41:16.50\00:41:20.11
Testament passages
that we're reading.
00:41:20.11\00:41:22.28
Jeffrey brought to us the
Peter passage that we're all a
00:41:22.28\00:41:26.78
royal priesthood, David
brought to us the passage from
00:41:26.78\00:41:30.82
Romans 5 that we all
have access, I love that word
00:41:30.82\00:41:35.02
access, and Romans 12,
but check this out, the Old
00:41:35.02\00:41:38.03
Testament is full of this idea.
00:41:38.03\00:41:40.33
Beginning in Genesis, we
have this, and it's not real
00:41:40.33\00:41:44.00
obvious, you know, right on
the surface, 'cause it doesn't
00:41:44.00\00:41:46.57
use the word priest or
anything like that, but it
00:41:46.57\00:41:48.90
says in Genesis chapter 3 that
after God had created the man
00:41:48.90\00:41:53.41
and the woman, there they
are in fellowship in the Garden,
00:41:53.41\00:41:57.98
and then, it says, in chapter
3, verse 8, that God came and
00:41:57.98\00:42:01.28
walked in the cool of
the day in the Garden.
00:42:01.28\00:42:03.42
So, you've got this direct
access, you've got God having
00:42:03.42\00:42:06.39
made human beings to have
direct access and fellowship
00:42:06.39\00:42:10.16
with him.
00:42:10.16\00:42:11.29
Well, as the story continues
unfolding, we come to the
00:42:11.29\00:42:14.00
story of Abraham, and when
we get to chapter 12 of Genesis,
00:42:14.00\00:42:18.47
we have this idea where the
Lord says to Abraham, comes to
00:42:18.47\00:42:23.27
him and says, Abraham, I'm
gonna do something through you
00:42:23.27\00:42:28.84
and your posterity that's
going to be a blessing to the
00:42:28.84\00:42:33.08
whole world.
00:42:33.08\00:42:34.28
Verse 3, in you, Abraham, in
your lineage, all the families
00:42:34.28\00:42:38.25
of the earth shall be blessed.
00:42:38.25\00:42:41.72
Okay, then when you come, as
the story continues to unfold
00:42:41.72\00:42:44.39
in Exodus chapter 19, God
has now brought the children of
00:42:44.39\00:42:49.66
Israel out of Egyptian bondage
and he announces to them in
00:42:49.66\00:42:53.37
chapter 19, verse 6, God
says to them, you shall be a
00:42:53.37\00:42:59.11
kingdom to me, a kingdom
of priests and a holy nation.
00:42:59.11\00:43:04.68
So, here, God is telling the
children of Israel, okay, now
00:43:04.68\00:43:08.42
I've brought you out of
Egyptian bondage and now I
00:43:08.42\00:43:12.15
have a job for you to do.
00:43:12.15\00:43:13.99
I have a vocation for you,
and the vocation is that you're
00:43:13.99\00:43:16.69
going to be a royal priesthood.
00:43:16.69\00:43:20.53
You are, that's where the
language of the New Testament
00:43:20.53\00:43:22.10
comes from, royal priesthood,
a kingdom of priests.
00:43:22.10\00:43:25.73
What's fascinating, because
the people push back in their
00:43:25.73\00:43:30.11
fear, in chapter 20 and
verse 18 and onward, and into
00:43:30.11\00:43:35.01
chapter 21, they push back
on this idea of direct access to
00:43:35.01\00:43:39.05
God, because
they're afraid of God.
00:43:39.05\00:43:40.95
They have a misconception
of God's character and so, you
00:43:40.95\00:43:44.29
have Moses, who goes into the
mountain, converses with God,
00:43:44.29\00:43:50.59
he comes out of that direct
access to God and talks to the
00:43:50.59\00:43:54.63
people and gives them a little
bit of exposure to the glory
00:43:54.63\00:43:58.13
of God and their
immediate impulse is to back up.
00:43:58.13\00:44:01.67
Well, as the story unfolds,
they're now elevating Moses.
00:44:01.67\00:44:05.97
Moses isn't elevating himself,
they're elevating Moses to the
00:44:05.97\00:44:11.18
position of intermedior
between themselves and God and
00:44:11.18\00:44:16.62
then, there's this thing that
develops in the camp of Israel
00:44:16.62\00:44:20.69
where these certain guys begin
prophesying and saying, hey,
00:44:20.69\00:44:25.73
I've got a word from the
Lord and the people do something
00:44:25.73\00:44:29.40
that later on, happens
in the New Testament...
00:44:29.40\00:44:31.60
>>JEFFERY: Certain guy
meaning a non-official priest.
00:44:31.60\00:44:33.37
>>TY: Yeah, these were just
individuals, God had given the
00:44:33.37\00:44:36.91
vocation to all.
00:44:36.91\00:44:38.87
Moses was elevated to the
unique position by the people,
00:44:38.87\00:44:42.38
and they now imagine that
these guys were in the wrong
00:44:42.38\00:44:46.65
for having words from God
and Moses responds by saying,
00:44:46.65\00:44:51.05
would that all of the
children of God were prophets?
00:44:51.05\00:44:54.49
This is a very
fascinating thing.
00:44:54.49\00:44:56.99
This is a very fascinating
thing that Moses is saying.
00:44:56.99\00:44:59.83
He said, I don't want to
be Moses and then there's the
00:44:59.83\00:45:03.37
rest of y'all.
00:45:03.37\00:45:04.87
I want, God can talk to you.
00:45:04.87\00:45:08.97
And so, quit forbidding these
guys from prophesying, listen
00:45:08.97\00:45:13.11
to what they're saying,
maybe God is gonna speak to you
00:45:13.11\00:45:14.81
through them, not just Moses.
00:45:14.81\00:45:16.61
That's in the bible.
00:45:16.61\00:45:17.81
[Laughter]
00:45:17.81\00:45:19.81
And this is the priesthood
of all believers, so you need to
00:45:19.81\00:45:21.25
look it up because, actually,
I'm just going from memory, I
00:45:21.25\00:45:23.25
don't know where the
passage is, but it's there.
00:45:23.25\00:45:25.32
>>DAVID: Years ago, probably
3 years ago, I heard Dr. Richard
00:45:25.32\00:45:28.59
Davidson give an amazing
sermon, amazing, mate, titled,
00:45:28.59\00:45:34.00
ablazing grace, and in that
sermon, he described how, if
00:45:34.00\00:45:39.00
you carefully follow the
textual like trajectory of
00:45:39.00\00:45:42.50
Exodus, that God's invitation
was not just for Moses to come
00:45:42.50\00:45:46.71
to the mountain and, it
was for every single person to
00:45:46.71\00:45:49.74
have the same relationship
to God that Moses had, but when
00:45:49.74\00:45:53.85
the people backed up,
Moses became the defacto
00:45:53.85\00:45:57.62
intermediary.
00:45:57.62\00:45:58.99
And here's an interesting
point on that, by the way,
00:45:58.99\00:46:01.16
this thought occurred
to me in the last session.
00:46:01.16\00:46:03.36
When God shows up, he's not
showing up only in tabernacles
00:46:03.36\00:46:06.66
and only in holy places,
he shows up in a burning bush.
00:46:06.66\00:46:10.57
A common point of access.
00:46:10.57\00:46:14.80
When Jacob is fearing the
arrival of Esau, he lays down
00:46:14.80\00:46:22.08
and he puts his head on a
pillow or a rock and that's a
00:46:22.08\00:46:25.61
point of access, that becomes
the pineal, the place I've
00:46:25.61\00:46:27.85
seen the face of God.
00:46:27.85\00:46:29.32
There's many passages in
scripture where God shows up
00:46:29.32\00:46:32.12
in these secular places, right?
00:46:32.12\00:46:35.42
He's not just confined
to a singular, there's this
00:46:35.42\00:46:40.40
ubiquity about his availability.
00:46:40.40\00:46:42.10
You can meet him here, you
can meet him here, you can meet
00:46:42.10\00:46:43.73
him, he's available.
00:46:43.73\00:46:45.43
I love that.
00:46:45.43\00:46:46.60
>>JEFFERY: By the way,
Ty, I have good news for you.
00:46:46.60\00:46:48.20
It was actually in the bible.
00:46:48.20\00:46:50.24
>>TY: Well, I
know it's in the bible.
00:46:50.24\00:46:51.44
>>JEFFERY: It's
in Numbers 11:29.
00:46:51.44\00:46:53.81
James and I found
it at the same time.
00:46:53.81\00:46:55.88
>>DAVID: Read the verse.
00:46:55.88\00:46:56.95
>>JAMES: It's really a
good verse, this is amazing.
00:46:56.95\00:46:58.35
>>JEFFERY: It
says, and Moses said.
00:46:58.35\00:46:59.91
>>JAMES: You gotta hear this.
00:46:59.91\00:47:02.28
Go ahead, don't let
anybody interrupt you, go ahead.
00:47:02.28\00:47:04.35
>>JEFFERY: I'm reading
from the King James, by the way,
00:47:04.35\00:47:07.19
just for fun.
00:47:07.19\00:47:08.26
>>DAVID: Do you
want us to understand it?
00:47:08.26\00:47:09.49
>>JEFFERY: And Moses said unto
him, envious thou for my sake?
00:47:09.49\00:47:14.30
Would God, that all the Lord's
people were prophets and that
00:47:14.30\00:47:18.17
the Lord would put
his Spirit upon him.
00:47:18.17\00:47:20.50
>>TY: I guess the King James
Version is a step away from
00:47:20.50\00:47:23.34
Latin, but it still is
kind of a, you know, it's a...
00:47:23.34\00:47:27.34
>>DAVID: We're gonna
have a fistfight here.
00:47:27.34\00:47:30.31
>>TY: You gotta surmount
the language to get to God.
00:47:30.31\00:47:34.05
>>JAMES: Actually, if you
do some research, King James is
00:47:34.05\00:47:39.95
actually the simplest language
of all the translations, do
00:47:39.95\00:47:44.09
some research on it.
00:47:44.09\00:47:45.23
>>TY: But nobody knows the
first sentence that you read
00:47:45.23\00:47:46.59
or understands it.
00:47:46.59\00:47:47.66
>>JAMES: I'll admit that.
00:47:47.66\00:47:48.73
>>JEFFERY: Did you notice
that when the whole let your
00:47:48.73\00:47:52.60
conversation be whatever,
he said, let your conversation,
00:47:52.60\00:47:54.74
which means conduct.
00:47:54.74\00:47:56.67
[Laughter]
00:47:56.67\00:47:58.41
Hey, hey, hey, my
bible actually said conduct.
00:47:58.41\00:48:01.98
I'm just saying.
00:48:01.98\00:48:03.65
>>DAVID: So, this is a verse
that we alluded to earlier,
00:48:03.65\00:48:06.58
but I just wanna
throw it out there.
00:48:06.58\00:48:07.88
In Revelation 4 and 5, I'm
gonna just transition here.
00:48:07.88\00:48:12.09
In Revelation 4 and 5,
when you have the throne room of
00:48:12.09\00:48:15.02
God and then, you see
the redeemed, I love this in
00:48:15.02\00:48:18.93
chapter 5, verse 8, now, when
he had taken the scroll, the
00:48:18.93\00:48:24.40
four living creatures and the
24 elders fell down before the
00:48:24.40\00:48:26.10
lamb, each having a harp
and golden bowls full of incense
00:48:26.10\00:48:28.30
which were the prayers of
the saints, and they sang a new
00:48:28.30\00:48:30.74
song, saying, you are
worthy to take the scroll.
00:48:30.74\00:48:33.31
Now, this is of the elders,
and to open its seals, for you
00:48:33.31\00:48:35.81
are slain and have redeemed
us to God by your blood out of
00:48:35.81\00:48:38.41
every tribe and tongue
and people and nation and have
00:48:38.41\00:48:41.38
made us kings and priests to
our God and we shall reign on
00:48:41.38\00:48:46.52
the earth, and that phrase
will come up at least two more
00:48:46.52\00:48:49.09
times in
Revelation, kings and priests.
00:48:49.09\00:48:51.23
And you get the strong sense
that this is not an exclusive,
00:48:51.23\00:48:55.40
clerical class of people.
00:48:55.40\00:48:59.03
This is the people of God,
because what was the job of a
00:48:59.03\00:49:01.94
king?
00:49:01.94\00:49:02.97
A king was to reign.
00:49:02.97\00:49:04.07
Well, these are those that
are seated with Jesus on his
00:49:04.07\00:49:05.64
throne, as he
says in Revelation.
00:49:05.64\00:49:07.14
So, they are coreigning with
Jesus and they are priests in
00:49:07.14\00:49:10.58
the sense that they are
attached by the humanity to
00:49:10.58\00:49:13.45
Jesus and they occupy
a priestly, which is an
00:49:13.45\00:49:16.65
educational, mediatory role.
00:49:16.65\00:49:18.09
Everybody, straight to God.
00:49:18.09\00:49:21.49
Which is, again, we've
said this again, but it bears
00:49:21.49\00:49:24.33
repeating, this is something
that we take for granted, this
00:49:24.33\00:49:26.76
idea of the
universality of access.
00:49:26.76\00:49:29.13
We can come straight to God.
00:49:29.13\00:49:30.83
But this was a
revolutionary concept.
00:49:30.83\00:49:33.90
And not only
revolutionary, dangerous.
00:49:33.90\00:49:36.27
Dangerous to the establishment.
00:49:36.27\00:49:38.11
>>JEFFERY: If you're reading
chapter 5, Revelation 1 says
00:49:38.11\00:49:40.64
the same thing, and in
Revelation 20:6, they shall be
00:49:40.64\00:49:44.11
priests.
00:49:44.11\00:49:45.11
>>DAVID: Twenty, verse 6.
00:49:45.11\00:49:46.18
>>JEFFERY: Twenty, verse
6, and so, beginning, end,
00:49:46.18\00:49:48.72
bookends, right?
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It's...
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>>DAVID: Kings and
priests, kings and priests.
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>>JEFFERY: It's a theme.
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>>DAVID: That's
the one I just read.
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>>TY: Go.
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>>JAMES: Well, I was
just gonna say, so the book of
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Revelation, what's really
interesting about the book of
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Revelation is it's written
in these prophetic cycles.
00:50:02.56\00:50:05.33
It cycles through a whole
picture of salvation from the
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beginning to the end and then
it stops and starts again and
00:50:08.20\00:50:10.54
cycles through
and cycles through.
00:50:10.54\00:50:12.01
So, it's interesting that this
idea, like the second coming,
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is repeated,
repeated, repeated, repeated.
00:50:14.81\00:50:17.28
In other words,
it's significant.
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Not everything's repeated in
a cycle, but the things that are
00:50:19.38\00:50:21.75
significant, the things that
God really wants us to get are
00:50:21.75\00:50:25.15
repeated every time the cycle
repeats, and this is one of
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the things that's repeated
every time the cycle repeats.
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>>DAVID: So, this isn't a
Revelation cycle, but you have
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Paul, in his
writings, repeating the lists of
00:50:31.96\00:50:36.63
spiritual gifts, right, or the
list of spiritual gifts in at
00:50:36.63\00:50:40.30
least 3 locations, Romans 12,
1 Corinthians 12, Ephesians 4.
00:50:40.30\00:50:43.71
The point, for Paul, was, hey,
God, by his Spirit, has given
00:50:43.71\00:50:48.74
gifts to all.
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Some are prophets and teachers
and some are, and some are,
00:50:50.45\00:50:52.28
and some are, and
some are, and some are.
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This idea that
no one is giftless.
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>>TY: But check this out,
that's beautiful, but check
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this out, you guys, I
just realized something.
00:50:59.82\00:51:01.76
I mean, I knew it before, but
it just, in this context that
00:51:01.76\00:51:06.90
when you were saying that
God gives universal access and
00:51:06.90\00:51:13.17
that we're all in a mediatoral
role, between you and me, I
00:51:13.17\00:51:19.67
have a role to
reveal something to you, to
00:51:19.67\00:51:23.98
communicate something to
you about God that you don't
00:51:23.98\00:51:26.58
presently know and vice versa.
00:51:26.58\00:51:28.52
You have something to
teach me, yeah, it's a community
00:51:28.52\00:51:31.59
thing, so we're all mediating
the peculiar, unique insights
00:51:31.59\00:51:36.22
of God that we each have,
but this is astounding that
00:51:36.22\00:51:41.80
mediation isn't just a
temporary fixture between you
00:51:41.80\00:51:47.80
and me because now that I've
shared with you, you know what
00:51:47.80\00:51:49.54
I know and now you don't
need me for that piece of
00:51:49.54\00:51:52.44
information anymore.
00:51:52.44\00:51:54.14
But check this out.
00:51:54.14\00:51:55.31
We say that Jesus is the
one mediator between God and man
00:51:55.31\00:51:57.98
so that we don't need an
earthly priesthood and even
00:51:57.98\00:52:02.25
the mediation of
Jesus is temporary.
00:52:02.25\00:52:05.09
Even Jesus, as a mediator, is
a temporary fixture between us
00:52:05.09\00:52:11.06
and the Father.
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There are two passages of
scripture, at least, that make
00:52:12.23\00:52:13.90
this clear.
00:52:13.90\00:52:15.00
In John chapter 16, Jesus
says, this is fascinating to
00:52:15.00\00:52:20.47
me, he says, so far, I've been
talking to you, verse 25, I've
00:52:20.47\00:52:24.51
been talking to you
in figurative language.
00:52:24.51\00:52:26.47
I've been telling you stories,
but the day is coming when I
00:52:26.47\00:52:28.31
will no longer speak to you
in figurative language, but I
00:52:28.31\00:52:30.58
will tell you plainly about
the Father and in that day,
00:52:30.58\00:52:33.15
you will ask in my name,
just like you have always done,
00:52:33.15\00:52:37.62
going through me as a
mediator, you ask in my name.
00:52:37.62\00:52:39.82
But I do not say that I will
speak to the Father for you.
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I'm gonna stop being the
one through whom you go to the
00:52:42.26\00:52:47.50
Father, because the
Father himself loves you.
00:52:47.50\00:52:51.00
So, the mediation of Jesus,
at some point, is even going to
00:52:51.00\00:52:54.30
cease, in a sense.
00:52:54.30\00:52:56.30
The other passage is Hebrews
chapter 6, where it says, in
00:52:56.30\00:53:00.44
verses 19 and 20, we have this
hope as an anchor to the soul,
00:53:00.44\00:53:03.78
both sure and steadfast,
this is amazing, which enters to
00:53:03.78\00:53:09.85
the presence behind the veil.
00:53:09.85\00:53:12.42
So, the presence, there's a
veil between us and God and we
00:53:12.42\00:53:18.73
are being led to enter behind
the veil, into the presence,
00:53:18.73\00:53:22.76
and this is the role
Jesus has, verse 20, where the
00:53:22.76\00:53:25.83
forerunner, that's Christ,
our mediator, our priest, has
00:53:25.83\00:53:30.24
entered for us, even Jesus,
having become a high priest
00:53:30.24\00:53:34.04
forever, according to
the order of Melchisedec.
00:53:34.04\00:53:36.54
So, here, the word forerunner,
this is amazing, we're all
00:53:36.54\00:53:40.45
familiar with the term
forerunner, fore meaning
00:53:40.45\00:53:43.69
before, this is somebody
who's going ahead because he's
00:53:43.69\00:53:48.62
leading somebody behind.
00:53:48.62\00:53:51.29
Mediation isn't a
wall, it's a bridge.
00:53:51.29\00:53:54.23
That's what's
being taught to us here.
00:53:54.23\00:53:56.23
Jesus isn't saying, I'll go
there and you never can, Jesus
00:53:56.23\00:54:00.04
is saying, I'm gonna
go ahead of you, come on.
00:54:00.04\00:54:03.34
>>JEFFERY: I'm going
so that you may also go.
00:54:03.34\00:54:06.14
>>TY: You need to enter into
the presence behind the veil,
00:54:06.14\00:54:08.54
but I'm gonna go before you
and I'm gonna prepare, you're
00:54:08.54\00:54:11.31
going to come, and then, in
chapter 4, earlier in Hebrews,
00:54:11.31\00:54:14.58
he just, Paul just straight
up says that we can come boldly
00:54:14.58\00:54:18.19
before the throne of grace.
00:54:18.19\00:54:20.02
It's amazing.
00:54:20.02\00:54:21.69
>>JAMES: Ty, I really
wanna talk about this chapter 16
00:54:21.69\00:54:23.96
because I think it's a great
way to summarize what we've
00:54:23.96\00:54:27.36
been talking about.
00:54:27.36\00:54:28.43
>>TY: Summarize fast, we
have a minute and 30 seconds.
00:54:28.43\00:54:30.20
>>JAMES: Yeah, I see that
on Jeffrey's little stopwatch
00:54:30.20\00:54:32.67
here.
00:54:32.67\00:54:33.77
I think it's a good way
to summarize what we've been
00:54:33.77\00:54:35.50
talking about.
00:54:35.50\00:54:36.71
Jesus here, in the chapter,
in the context of the chapter,
00:54:36.71\00:54:39.27
the contextual subject matter
of the chapter is the Holy
00:54:39.27\00:54:42.34
Spirit and the gift of the
Holy Spirit, and the disciples
00:54:42.34\00:54:45.11
have always been leaning on
Christ, and Christ is saying,
00:54:45.11\00:54:47.15
I'm leaving, but I'm
not leaving you alone.
00:54:47.15\00:54:50.29
You've been asking me for
stuff from the Father, but
00:54:50.29\00:54:53.09
you're not gonna
be doing that anymore.
00:54:53.09\00:54:55.76
You're gonna access the Father
directly through the gift of
00:54:55.76\00:54:58.23
the Holy Spirit, you're gonna
pray in my name, and you're
00:54:58.23\00:55:01.50
gonna be able to communicate
directly to the Father,
00:55:01.50\00:55:04.27
without me being here in person.
00:55:04.27\00:55:06.20
That's the point he's
making here in relation to the
00:55:06.20\00:55:09.07
disciples and it's so powerful
because it applies to us
00:55:09.07\00:55:10.41
today.
00:55:10.41\00:55:11.61
It's the subject matter that
we've been talking about for the
00:55:11.61\00:55:13.04
last hour or so.
00:55:13.04\00:55:14.44
>>TY: The
priesthood of all believers.
00:55:14.44\00:55:15.48
Man, oh, man.
00:55:15.48\00:55:18.18
David, we have 40 seconds.
00:55:18.18\00:55:20.32
Summarize everything
that we've just learned.
00:55:20.32\00:55:22.18
>>DAVID: Well, I think
it's a fulfillment of the new
00:55:22.18\00:55:24.39
covenant promise that we
talked about in a previous
00:55:24.39\00:55:26.22
session where the idea is
that no man, you know, you won't
00:55:26.22\00:55:30.33
have to teach me, there is
that community sense, but we
00:55:30.33\00:55:32.49
will all go directly to God,
and that disintermediation, he
00:55:32.49\00:55:36.77
knew I was gonna do it, of
removing the clerical class,
00:55:36.77\00:55:39.73
the priestly class,
the cardinal, the pope, the
00:55:39.73\00:55:41.97
bishop, it was like, hey, I'm
going straight to God through
00:55:41.97\00:55:43.87
Christ.
00:55:43.87\00:55:44.84
And then, Jesus, as
you mentioned, in his own
00:55:44.84\00:55:46.27
mediatoral role says, hey,
look, even that is a just a
00:55:46.27\00:55:48.74
stop gap until we can all be
seated with God on thrones as
00:55:48.74\00:55:55.28
kings and priests,
all of us access to God.
00:55:55.28\00:55:59.42
>>TY: Face to face.
00:55:59.42\00:56:00.52
>>DAVID: Face to face.
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