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>>TY: Revelation chapter
14 is an extremely significant
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chapter in the overall scheme
of things in Revelation and
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there are a number of reasons
why it's so significant, but
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first of all, we've just
come out of chapters 12 and 13,
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where there's been significant
history that's been delineated
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for us.
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We've moved from the time
of Christ, where he is brought
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into the world through the
woman, Christ is crucified, he
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ascends in victory over
Satan and the satanic regime by
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self-sacrificing love.
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Then, in chapter 12, we have
a hint, in chapter 12 and verse
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11 that the church of God
will overcome, continue the
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overcoming enterprise of Christ.
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>>DAVID: I like that.
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>>TY: Will overcome the devil
by the blood of the Lamb and
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the word of their testimony
and love not their lives to
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the point of death.
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That's just a little snapshot
of the fact that the church of
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God will be bearing testimony.
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The church of God
will be giving a message.
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The church of God will
be speaking in the world.
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And then, as we came to the
conclusion of chapter 12 and
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verse 17, you remember we saw
that again, the church of God
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and the end time portion of
human history is identified as
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under the rage, the wrath of
the dragon, but they bear the
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testimony of Jesus, they have
a message to give, they keep
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the commandments of God,
and they have the testimony of
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Jesus.
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So, again, there's
an indication, but it's
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abbreviated.
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They just, keep the
commandments of God, they have
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the testimony of Jesus,
but it's not elaborated on.
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Then, when we come to chapter
13, we have the sea beast
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identified, the land beast
identified, the mark of the
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beast mentioned, okay.
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Then, when we come to chapter
14, the people of God are
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described in greater detail
now, both their character and
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how they interact with
the powers of the world around
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them, in verses 1-5, and then,
in verses 6-12, it describes a
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series of three crucial
messages that they give, which
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is kind of like panning
out now in a bigger picture of
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what 12:11 and 17 mentioned.
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And so, you have the message
that they give in the world,
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which then brings on or
initiates or precipitates
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world events so that,
according to verses 14-20 of
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Revelation 14, the
world comes to maturity.
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Both good and evil come to
mature manifestations and the
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earth is prepared for harvest.
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>>DAVID: That was
an awesome summary.
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That was outstanding.
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>>TY: So, where we're at, then
with chapter 14, is verses 1-5
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is where we'll begin, is a
description of the people of
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God in the world.
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So, let's begin there and
then, we'll break down the
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messages.
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>>DAVID: So, we have
said, repeatedly, in this series
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that Revelation 12, 13,
and 14 is the interpretive lens
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through which
Revelation is viewed.
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That summary that you
just gave right there was
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outstanding.
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That's the point, that you
have these picture motifs and
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we've dealt with Revelation
12, which is sort of the back
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story, Revelation 13 is
sort of the front story, here's
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these two powers, Revelation
14, which I had never even
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seen before, the tie-in
with 12:11, they overcame by the
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blood of the Lamb and the word
of their testimony, and then
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they had the testimony of
Jesus, verse 17, that that is
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then further
expanded or explicated in 14.
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>>TY: That's right.
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>>DAVID: Alright.
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That's all I needed out of
this session, you guys carry
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on, I'll be thinking about that.
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That's awesome.
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>>TY: Why don't you, just
for speed here, so we can move
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into the text, would you
just read through verses 1-5?
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>>JAMES: I like that.
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David, just for speed, just
so we can move through the text,
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you read, David.
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You read.
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>>TY: So, read verses 1-5.
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>>JAMES: Purity and the clarity.
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>>DAVID: Okay,
I'll strive for it.
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Then I looked, and behold,
a Lamb standing on Mount Zion,
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and with Him 144,000, having
His Father's name written on
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their foreheads.
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And I heard a voice from
heaven, like the voice of many
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waters, and like the
voice of loud thunder.
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And I heard the sound of
harpists playing their harps.
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They sang as it were a new
song before the throne, before
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the four living creatures,
and the elders, and no one could
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learn that song except the
144,000 who were redeemed from
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the earth.
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These are the ones who
were not defiled with women, for
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they are virgins.
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These are the ones who follow
the Lamb wherever He goes.
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These were redeemed from among
men, being first fruits to God
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and to the Lamb.
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And in their mouth was
found no deceit, for they are
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without fault
before the throne of God.
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>>TY: Okay, so the first thing
that we noticed here is the
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message that they give
is gonna be described in the
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following verses.
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But this is kinda, I guess
we could say a description of
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their character.
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>>DAVID: Like a portrait.
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>>TY: It's a
portrait of these people.
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And these people are
described, first of all, as
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standing symbolically,
obviously, on Mount Zion.
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Now, I believe that, again,
John is quoting, continually
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from the Old Testament.
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You guys all see
that as well, of course.
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And he's quoting here,
he's quoting here from Isaiah
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chapter 2.
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Now, I won't go there,
but I'll just point out that
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Isaiah chapter 2 is where
the prophet Isaiah says that
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finally, someday in the
future, in the last days, the
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law will go forth from
Zion and when the law goes forth
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from Zion, people from all the
unbelieving nations will begin
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to flow from the
mountain of the Lord, to Zion.
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They will begin to be
attracted to what they see
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going on among God's
people, and God will rebuke the
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nations for their warmongering
ways and they will learn war
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no more.
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>>DAVID: That's Isaiah 2?
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>>TY: Yes.
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>>DAVID: Okay.
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>>TY: So, that's the
Mount Zion connection.
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Mount Zion is biblical
symbolism for God's system of
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governance, benevolent system
of governance, without war.
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Without violence, which we've
been mentioning over and over
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and over again.
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The people of God are
associated with Mount Zion and
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they have the Father's
name written in their foreheads.
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That's the point.
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The Law of Moses, the entire,
the law of God is written in
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their hearts.
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The name of God is
written in their foreheads.
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An interesting way to say this
is that God has a particular
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interest in your
forehead, in my forehead.
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God wants access to the
content of the frontal lobe.
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And the content of the
frontal lobe, that's where the
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thinking and feeling and
believing and decision-making
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process occurs in
a human being, right?
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So, when it says the
name of the Father is in their
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foreheads, those who stand
on Mount Zion, it's a biblical,
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symbolic way of saying, these
people now comprehend, they
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understand, they appreciate,
and they are living in harmony
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with the character of God.
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>>JEFFREY: Let this mind be
in you which was also in Christ
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Jesus.
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So, they've basically
identified with the mind of
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God, with the mind of Jesus.
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>>DAVID: When you were
talking, I just went back and
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read that section in Isaiah.
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It's awesome.
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>>TY: It's one of my favorite
passages in the whole bible.
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>>DAVID: Isaiah
2:1-4, it's awesome.
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>>TY: Yeah, it really is.
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And so, that's the Mount Zion
and the name of their Father
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in their forehead reference.
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>>JAMES: I read Psalm
133 while he was talking and
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that's awesome, too.
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Yeah.
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>>TY: What is that one?
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>>JAMES: Behold, now, how
good and pleasant it is for the
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brethren to dwell in unity.
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It's like the oil that dripped
down Aaron's beard, and then
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it ends up with, the verse
ends up with, on Mount Zion.
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It's also a
connection to Mount Zion.
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>>JEFFREY: This thing about
their foreheads, too, chapter
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14, there's a mark on
their forehead, on their hand.
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So, the dark power puts a mark
on the forehead and here, in
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chapter 14, the people of
God are identified having the
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Father's name written
on their foreheads, so.
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>>TY: Well, I think it's
interesting, Jeffrey that
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what, here in chapter 14,
verse 1 is called the Father's
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name in the forehead, back
in chapter 7 is called the seal
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of God in the forehead.
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These are synonymous terms.
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They're describing one and
the same thing with different
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language.
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So, the seal of God concept
figures prominently into the
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identity and the character
of God's people, right?
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So, they are
sealed in their foreheads.
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The word sealed, the concept
of sealed is the idea of being
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made immoveable, settled.
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The content of a letter,
the content of a document is
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closed and sealed.
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>>DAVID: It's
settled, I like that.
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>>TY: It's settled.
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>>JAMES: It's also protected.
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>>TY: It's protected, yeah.
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And the thing is, is that a
seal, the concept of seal in
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the bible is the idea that not
only is it closed and settled,
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but it's changeless.
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When a monarch puts his
seal on a document or a law or a
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decree, you can't change
that law because it's now
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established by the
authority of the king.
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So, these people are settled,
they are established in,
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protected, they're established
in and protected and they are
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settled into the character
of God as their mode of
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existence.
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>>JEFFREY: There's another
parallel here because it says,
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then I looked, and behold,
a Lamb standing on Mount Zion
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and with this people.
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And we pointed out in our last
discussion that the word Lamb
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keeps occurring in the book of
Revelation in the reference of
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Jesus.
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But the last time that
that word came up was in chapter
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13, verse 11, where this power
rises with lamb-like horns,
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but yet it misrepresents
lamb-likeness in the very next
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scene you have is the genuine
people of God, standing...
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>>JAMES: So, you have
lamb-likeness, and then you've
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got the Lamb people.
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>>TY: Not only is the point
that this is the genuine, the
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point is that while this
power is abandoning lamb-like
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principles, these
people are retaining.
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>>JEFFREY: And it
comes up over and over.
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In verse 1, you see it,
in verse 3, it comes up.
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Sorry, verse 4, also, follow
the Lamb wherever he goes,
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they were redeemed among men,
being first of God and to the
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Lamb.
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So, Lamb, Lamb,
Lamb, Lamb, Lamb.
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In other words, John is trying
to make a point, I've just
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painted a picture of this
beast with lamb-like horns,
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but it's not consistent,
and now, here is the other image
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I'm painting to you, and
the Lamb is all over it, with a
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people who resemble the Lamb.
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>>JAMES: Okay, I got my hand
up, I got my hand up, I got my
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hand up.
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>>TY: I call on James.
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>>JAMES: Okay, so at my
house, what we do is we pass the
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saltshaker, this is the
saltshaker, and we pass it,
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whoever's, okay,
you're next, okay, you got it.
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I got the saltshaker.
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It's that intense.
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And there's only four of us.
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>>TY: What we do in
our house is we just pause.
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[Laughter]
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Go ahead, though.
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>>JAMES: No, you don't,
I've been at your house.
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I know better than that.
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Nice try, though, nice try.
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Okay, so the other thing
that's really cool is, and
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we're gonna see this, we're
gonna flesh this out, I say
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we're gonna flesh this out
as we go through the verses, but
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we see this and that is we
also just got done looking at
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the characteristics of the
dragon and the characteristics
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of the beast, what
is its character like?
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And now, we're
looking in contrast at the
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characteristics of the Lamb,
and like Jeffrey said, here's
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this beast with Lamb-like
horns, how are we gonna be
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able to
distinguish the difference?
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Oh, well, here's the lamb-like
people that are following
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Jesus, and here's what they
look like, and we look at the
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context, and I'm telling
you, this is the final issue.
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When people try to sort it all
out, they're gonna have a hard
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time, maybe with the doctoral
issues and the prophetic
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issues and figuring that out,
but there's gonna be a clear
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distinction between the
people who are lamb-like and the
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people who are beast-like.
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>>TY: That's right.
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>>DAVID: That's why they both
go together until the harvest.
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>>TY: Now, what do
you guys think of this?
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In verse 3, it says they,
speaking of the people of God,
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the people of Mount Zion, the
144,000, they sang as it were
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a new song before the throne,
before the four and twenty
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elders, the 24 elders,
and the living creatures.
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So, you remember when we
were in chapters 4 and 5, we saw
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that there is this element
in the story of Revelation of
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testimony and
witness being given.
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So, what's happening here
is these people are not only
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having the Father's name
in their forehead, they're not
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only bearing testimony in the
world, but their lives and the
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message they give is
testifying before the throne
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of God and
before heavenly beings.
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So, they are contributing
evidence to the case that is
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being made against God and
their lives, I mean, we need
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to be very clear about
this, Jesus achieved absolutely
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complete and total
victory over the enemy and God's
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people don't add any new
virtue or glory or victory or
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merit, but God's people do
take on the victory that Jesus
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gained.
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And they experience what
he achieved for them and their
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lives become a witness
and a testimony before, that's
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right.
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>>JEFFREY: What do you think
about this idea of singing, of
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singing a new song?
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'Cause in Revelation 15, it
mentions that in verse 3, they
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sing the song of Moses and the
song of the Lamb and this, of
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course, is borrowed language
from the Old Testament, after
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the deliverance from Egypt,
it says in chapter 15 that they
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sang this song.
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So, in other words, you can
only sing the song if you've
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had the experience, right?
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>>TY: Yeah, I've heard some
people say that it's the song
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of Moses and the Lamb
and asked, what are those two
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songs?
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I don't think it's two songs.
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It's one, the song of
Moses is the song of the Lamb.
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And it's the song of
deliverance by the Passover
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lamb's blood.
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It is the song of Calvary.
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It is the song of grounding
in the truths that were
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manifested at Calvary.
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>>JEFFREY: So, they're singing
this song because they've had
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an experience.
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>>TY: With Jesus and their
experience, again, is grounded
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in what was revealed at Calvary.
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>>DAVID: I have never made
the tie, which, I'm embarrassed,
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almost, to say it, between
Revelation 14:3 and Revelation
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4 and 5.
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And the reason I say I'm
almost embarrassed to say it
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is that the 24
elders show up here.
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And the four
living creatures are here.
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So, the fact that I wouldn't
have made that connection is
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really...
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>>TY: Don't you think
it's kinda neat, David, that in
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chapters 4 and 5, the
direction of the testimony and
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witness is from the living
creatures and the 24 elders
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testifying outward toward
the world, but here, you have a
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group of people in the
world who are testifying toward
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them.
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So, it's a reciprocal testimony.
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In other words, it's syncing.
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The whole universe is coming
to one mind, one agreement
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regarding one pulsive harmony.
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Everybody's realizing heaven
and earth that God is just and
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true in all his ways.
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>>DAVID: That's the thing
that jumped out at me was the
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144,000, the redeemed of
God are lending their voice of
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worship.
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'Cause back in 4 and 5, it
was they cease not to praise,
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holy, holy, all of that.
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So, now, we have the whole
thing about how his throne was
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set in heaven.
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Okay, now, this is, the throne
is being set and settled on
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earth.
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>>JAMES: And also, the redeemed.
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>>Hey, I just wanted to
let you guys know, we're live
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right now on Facebook.
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Say what's up, say what's up.
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>>TY: Hey, what's happening?
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[Laughter]
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>>DAVID: Are you serious?
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>>TY: Table talk.
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>>DAVID: Season 4,
book of Revelation.
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>>TY: The Revelation series.
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>>DAVID: When he came up
to you right there, I thought
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maybe the building
was on fire or something.
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>>TY: I thought
there was an emergency.
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[Laughter]
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>>DAVID: Well, there
was, a social media emergency.
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>>JAMES: No, here's the deal,
so building on that, in the
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picture in Revelation 4
and 5, you have the four living
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creatures, you have the 24
elders and then, you have the
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Lamb in the midst of
the throne that's slain.
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Now, adding to that,
you have the 144,000.
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The Lamb that's in the midst
of the throne in Revelation 4
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and 5 is the one that answers
the questions, Ty was saying
00:16:23.88\00:16:26.55
we're supplementing that.
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We're part of the
answering of that big question.
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So, we're in the throne,
'cause notice the words here,
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it says, and they sang a song,
as it were, a new song before
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the throne, before the throne,
that's where the Lamb is, in
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Revelation 5.
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That's where the,
they're before that throne now.
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They've come into that great
controversy and they've come
00:16:44.03\00:16:47.17
in to help answer the question
of the great controversy,
00:16:47.17\00:16:49.17
which ties into
Revelation 12:11.
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They love not their
lives unto the death.
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Jesus loved not his life unto
the death, they love not their
00:16:53.84\00:16:56.85
lives unto the death.
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This is a maturing, if
you will, of this character of
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God's people.
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>>TY: So, the love of Jesus,
manifest at the cross, is now
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their experience.
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>>JEFFREY: It says right here,
no one could learn that song
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except for those who
were redeemed from the earth.
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Go back to that same point.
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If you haven't had that
experience, you can't sing the
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song.
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>>DAVID: Amen.
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Ty said at the end of the
last session about, or maybe it
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was, somewhere in the last
session, I thought, about the
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principle of self-preservation
and how that is built into
00:17:20.80\00:17:25.77
what's happening
in Revelation 13.
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But if Jesus didn't love
is, greater love has no man than
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this, that a man would lay
down his life for his friends.
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These people are
embodying that same song.
00:17:34.55\00:17:36.95
So, I love this idea that's
really coming clear in my mind
00:17:36.95\00:17:39.79
right now that there is
a synchronicity, there is a
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unity, everybody's now on
the same page, you and you and
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you, and I think, in the
context of Revelation 13,
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these people are radically
in step with God and his kingdom
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and the elders and the
creatures and the lamb and
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they are radically out of
step with this whole coercive
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enterprise that's going
on between the two beasts.
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>>TY: The Father
is in their foreheads.
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>>JAMES: That's
what the next verse says.
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Notice what the next
verse says, the next verse says,
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these are they which are
not defiled with women, for they
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are virgins.
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These are they which follow
the Lamb wherever he goes.
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So, they've been defiled with
women, but they're no longer
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defiled with women.
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You could say, in a sense...
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>>TY: We better
identify what all that means.
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>>JAMES: Let me just give
you one scripture on this that I
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think is so brilliant.
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Paul here is talking, in 2
Corinthians chapter 11, and in
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verse 2, he says, for I am
jealous over you with Godly
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jealousy for I have espoused
you to one husband that I may
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present you a
chaste virgin to Christ.
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>>TY: So, the
church is a virgin body.
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>>JAMES: He says, but I
fear, lest by any means, as the
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serpent beguiled Eve, there's
the serpent language again,
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right out of Revelation 12,
13, and 14, or Revelation 12
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and 13, as the
serpent beguiled Eve, through
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suddenly, so your minds
should be corrupted from the
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simplicity that is in Christ.
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For, he says, if he that comes
preaches another Jesus, whom
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ye have not preached, or
you receive another spirit which
00:19:06.14\00:19:09.24
ye have not received, or
another gospel which ye have
00:19:09.24\00:19:11.88
not received.
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And then, he goes on
to describe ministers of
00:19:12.95\00:19:16.92
righteousness and Satan
coming as an angel of light.
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In other words, here are
our people now, this is a
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consummation of events, it's
the climactic picture of the
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victory of God's people,
they come into the throne room,
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they are no longer, it
says here, they are in no wise
00:19:31.60\00:19:35.67
corrupted with other women.
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They are virgins.
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They have a pure
gospel, a pure spirit, they have
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followed the
Lamb wherever he goes.
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That's the context of this.
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>>DAVID: You just quoted
the verse there about betrothed.
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I betrothed you, yeah,
did you just quote that?
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>>JAMES: 2
Corinthians chapter 11.
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I've espoused
you, is what it says.
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>>DAVID: This has been
really helpful for me and I just
00:19:56.46\00:19:57.73
preached on this in my
local church and maybe it'll be
00:19:57.73\00:19:59.76
helpful for you guys, but when
we read texts like this, there
00:19:59.76\00:20:03.33
is a danger that we could
associate and texts like it
00:20:03.33\00:20:07.67
came up in my preaching in
the context of Mary and how she
00:20:07.67\00:20:11.44
gave birth to Jesus as a virgin.
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And I think that there is a
tendency, perhaps, for us to
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regard virginity as the ideal,
it's like, oh, that's holy,
00:20:20.42\00:20:24.35
that's pure, but of course,
if that's the case, then the
00:20:24.35\00:20:27.82
implication is, is that those
that have engaged in sexual
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activity, sexual intercourse,
that that's, well, that's less
00:20:30.56\00:20:33.43
than ideal.
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That's dirty.
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No, I'm just saying,
that's dirty, but this virginity
00:20:35.53\00:20:38.00
thing is really great.
00:20:38.00\00:20:39.63
But the point that I made
of my congregation and I think
00:20:39.63\00:20:41.64
it's really important here in
this context is, virginity was
00:20:41.64\00:20:44.37
not God's idea.
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In Genesis 1 and 2, it was not
good that man should be alone.
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The sexual, social
isolation of man is not good.
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What's good is man and woman
coming together in union, in
00:20:54.92\00:20:58.45
relational integrity.
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Okay, so, here's the point,
yeah, that's right, I love
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that.
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Here's the point.
00:21:06.13\00:21:07.23
It's not that virginity
is virtuous in and of itself,
00:21:07.23\00:21:09.33
what makes virginity virtuous
is that you are waiting to
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give yourself totally
and unreservedly to that one.
00:21:12.77\00:21:16.87
>>JEFFREY: It's
pending commitment.
00:21:16.87\00:21:18.87
>>DAVID: It's
pending commitment.
00:21:18.87\00:21:20.88
So, what's happening here
is the marriage of the Lamb is
00:21:20.88\00:21:22.88
not yet come.
00:21:22.88\00:21:24.05
You're betrothed, espoused,
betrothed, in 2 Corinthians
00:21:24.05\00:21:27.75
11, so the virginity here,
in other words, they're not
00:21:27.75\00:21:30.59
married to harlots.
00:21:30.59\00:21:32.55
That's the point.
00:21:32.55\00:21:33.59
They've not defiled
themselves with these others.
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I just think that's important.
00:21:35.76\00:21:36.76
It's really helpful for me.
00:21:36.76\00:21:37.86
>>TY: They're virgins not
in a commitment to celibacy.
00:21:37.86\00:21:41.03
They're virgins in a
commitment to waiting for
00:21:41.03\00:21:43.57
their husband.
00:21:43.57\00:21:44.67
>>DAVID: And I am your,
what's the text there, Isaiah?
00:21:44.67\00:21:46.87
The Lord is your
husband, the maker.
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You know the text.
00:21:48.87\00:21:49.87
Nobody knows
where it is right off?
00:21:49.87\00:21:51.97
>>TY: Chapter 55, I think.
00:21:51.97\00:21:53.71
>>DAVID: I thought
it was like 54, 55.
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>>TY: So, we've gotta take a
break, but summarizing so far,
00:21:56.48\00:22:00.32
we've done good moving through
verses 1-4, when we come back,
00:22:00.32\00:22:03.82
we'll just mention verse 5
and then go into the 3 angels
00:22:03.82\00:22:06.55
messages.
00:22:06.55\00:22:07.56
How about that?
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>>DAVID: Sounds great.
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>>TY: Alright, so, we did
Revelation chapter 14, the
00:24:39.97\00:24:43.01
first few verses there with
identifying characteristics of
00:24:43.01\00:24:46.95
God's people, but there
are two characteristics that we
00:24:46.95\00:24:50.19
haven't specifically mentioned
yet and they are in verses 4
00:24:50.19\00:24:53.92
and 5, they are called the
first fruits to God and then,
00:24:53.92\00:24:58.23
in verse 5, it says that
they have no deceit in their
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mouths.
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These are two extremely
important characteristics.
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What is the
reference to first fruits mean?
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>>JAMES: James 1:18.
00:25:08.87\00:25:10.17
I mean, real simple, if
you don't wanna spend a lot of
00:25:10.17\00:25:12.17
time on it, but it's really
powerful because it ties in
00:25:12.17\00:25:14.54
with John 3 and verse 3.
00:25:14.54\00:25:16.18
James 1:18 says that to be
a first fruit is to be born
00:25:16.18\00:25:19.98
again.
00:25:19.98\00:25:21.05
Of his own will begat he
us the rod of truth that we
00:25:21.05\00:25:23.15
should be kind of a
first fruits of his creatures.
00:25:23.15\00:25:25.22
So, to be a first
fruit is to be born again.
00:25:25.22\00:25:27.22
Jesus says, you will not see
that, you will not perceive or
00:25:27.22\00:25:29.52
understand or enter into the
kingdom of God unless you are
00:25:29.52\00:25:31.53
born again.
00:25:31.53\00:25:32.73
And obviously, these people
have a born again experience.
00:25:32.73\00:25:35.96
They have a genuine Christian,
they're not just raised in the
00:25:35.96\00:25:38.07
church, believing
these doctrines, that's my
00:25:38.07\00:25:40.07
tradition, that's the way I go.
00:25:40.07\00:25:41.07
They live and die for this.
00:25:41.07\00:25:42.84
This is, yes, this is
experiential religion is what
00:25:42.84\00:25:45.54
it's saying, basically.
00:25:45.54\00:25:46.51
That's first, it's
very experiential religion.
00:25:46.51\00:25:48.54
>>TY: And then, it says that
they have no deceit in their
00:25:48.54\00:25:50.55
mouths.
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Now, I've heard people define
this various ways, I have my
00:25:51.75\00:25:54.98
opinion in the context, I
don't think it's just saying
00:25:54.98\00:25:59.19
that they don't lie,
although, that's a virtue.
00:25:59.19\00:26:03.86
I think the context is that
there is a propaganda campaign
00:26:03.86\00:26:10.37
against the character of
God, God's character has been
00:26:10.37\00:26:12.93
grossly misrepresented.
00:26:12.93\00:26:14.40
These individuals are the
ones in which there is no longer
00:26:14.40\00:26:20.61
any lie about the character
of God being told in their
00:26:20.61\00:26:24.35
theology.
00:26:24.35\00:26:25.41
>>DAVID: I knew that's
where you were going when you
00:26:25.41\00:26:28.05
started.
00:26:28.05\00:26:29.05
I love that.
00:26:29.05\00:26:30.05
That's a
connection I had not seen.
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>>JEFFREY: He's borrowing
language from Isaiah 53, is he
00:26:32.05\00:26:34.92
not?
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Where, speaking of the
suffering servant of Jesus, it
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says, in verse, at the end
of verse 9, nor was any deceit
00:26:38.79\00:26:43.80
found in his mouth.
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>>TY: Jesus gave perfect
and accurate testimony to the
00:26:44.93\00:26:47.84
Father.
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>>JEFFREY: So, they are
mirroring Jesus' testimony
00:26:48.87\00:26:50.84
regarding his Father.
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>>TY: Isn't that great?
00:26:51.84\00:26:52.91
Tell me, real quick
though, that was Isaiah 53 what?
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>>JEFFREY: That
was Isaiah 53, verse 9.
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The last sentence.
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>>TY: Okay, so with those
first five verses, we have a
00:27:01.15\00:27:04.99
snapshot of the character
of these people, but now,
00:27:04.99\00:27:07.99
starting with verse 6,
the three angels' messages are
00:27:07.99\00:27:12.03
unfolding.
00:27:12.03\00:27:13.03
Now, that's language...
00:27:13.03\00:27:14.30
>>DAVID: This is the
content of their message.
00:27:14.30\00:27:15.13
>>TY: Yeah, this is the content.
00:27:15.13\00:27:16.03
They have something
to say to the world.
00:27:16.03\00:27:17.70
The first angel's message.
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Jeffrey, why don't you
read number one for us?
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>>JEFFREY: Then, I saw, verse
6, another angel fly in the
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midst of heaven, having the
everlasting gospel to preach
00:27:23.74\00:27:26.98
to those who dwell on the earth.
00:27:26.98\00:27:29.14
To every nation, tribe,
tongue, and people, saying
00:27:29.14\00:27:33.68
with a loud voice, fear God
and give glory to him, for the
00:27:33.68\00:27:37.72
hour of his judgement has come.
00:27:37.72\00:27:40.22
And worship him who made
heaven, earth, sea, and the
00:27:40.22\00:27:42.79
springs of water.
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>>TY: So, the first feature
of their message is what is
00:27:43.89\00:27:47.46
called here, the
everlasting gospel.
00:27:47.46\00:27:50.23
Oh, wait a
minute, wait a minute.
00:27:50.23\00:27:52.23
I think we shouldn't just
assume that everybody would
00:27:52.23\00:27:54.70
know that angel.
00:27:54.70\00:27:56.07
'Cause it sounds like these
are literally angels flying
00:27:56.07\00:27:58.77
around in the sky
shouting stuff down to earth.
00:27:58.77\00:28:01.31
But, we need to call attention
to the fact that the word
00:28:01.31\00:28:03.65
angel is used two ways
in scripture to refer to the
00:28:03.65\00:28:08.25
actual angelic beings who are
occupying a position of giving
00:28:08.25\00:28:14.02
messages for God, but
sometimes, in the bible, the
00:28:14.02\00:28:17.99
word angel just means what
the word means, it just means
00:28:17.99\00:28:21.73
messenger, in fact, and
these are angels that are
00:28:21.73\00:28:25.27
symbolically representing
the people of God giving a
00:28:25.27\00:28:28.77
message.
00:28:28.77\00:28:29.84
>>JEFFREY: Just described
in the first five verses.
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>>TY: And we know that for
probably more than the reasons
00:28:32.27\00:28:35.94
I'm aware of, but one of the
reasons is, they preached the
00:28:35.94\00:28:39.11
everlasting gospel, and that's
exactly what the church was
00:28:39.11\00:28:42.95
called to do by Jesus.
00:28:42.95\00:28:45.52
Yeah, they were called, the
church, the people of God were
00:28:45.52\00:28:49.06
the ones who were given
the gospel commission, not the
00:28:49.06\00:28:51.33
angels.
00:28:51.33\00:28:52.33
Yeah, so they're
preaching the gospel.
00:28:52.33\00:28:54.30
So, the first feature of the
message is what's called here
00:28:54.30\00:28:56.97
the everlasting gospel.
00:28:56.97\00:28:58.97
>>JEFFREY: The only place
in the whole bible where those
00:28:58.97\00:29:00.97
two words are found.
00:29:00.97\00:29:02.10
>>TY: It's the only place
in the bible where those two
00:29:02.10\00:29:03.97
words are found together,
but there's another place in the
00:29:03.97\00:29:05.97
bible where I think the same
exact thing is spoken of with
00:29:05.97\00:29:08.24
slightly different words, and
it's Jeremiah 31, verse 3, the
00:29:08.24\00:29:11.65
Lord has appeared to me of
old saying yes, I have loved you
00:29:11.65\00:29:15.32
with an everlasting
love, therefore, with loving
00:29:15.32\00:29:18.22
kindness, I have drawn you.
00:29:18.22\00:29:19.25
>>JEFFREY: Everlasting
love, everlasting gospel.
00:29:19.25\00:29:21.62
>>TY: The everlasting love
of God is the content of the
00:29:21.62\00:29:25.19
gospel.
00:29:25.19\00:29:26.36
>>JEFFREY: Do you think that
there's a hint to what Jesus
00:29:26.36\00:29:31.93
said about the last days in
Matthew 24:14, where he said,
00:29:31.93\00:29:34.94
and this gospel of the kingdom
will be preached as a witness
00:29:34.94\00:29:39.24
to all the nations, and
then, the end will come.
00:29:39.24\00:29:41.94
And so, the thought comes,
if you were to look anywhere in
00:29:41.94\00:29:44.68
the bible to get a picture,
a glimpse, an idea of the end
00:29:44.68\00:29:48.48
times, what book would that be?
00:29:48.48\00:29:50.45
It'd be the book of Revelation.
00:29:50.45\00:29:52.12
Where do we find a gospel
mentioned and described in the
00:29:52.12\00:29:55.36
book of Revelation?
00:29:55.36\00:29:56.89
Chapter 14, what
we're reading now.
00:29:56.89\00:29:58.89
Is it possible that Jesus
is thinking, he's looking down
00:29:58.89\00:30:01.33
the stretch and he's
saying, and this gospel of the
00:30:01.33\00:30:04.50
kingdom, so it's the
same gospel Jesus has been
00:30:04.50\00:30:06.50
preaching, but he looks down
the stretch to the end of time
00:30:06.50\00:30:09.44
and he says, this is the very
gospel that will be preached
00:30:09.44\00:30:13.31
that will lead to
the end, to the end.
00:30:13.31\00:30:16.11
And then, in Revelation 14,
we have a picture of the end and
00:30:16.11\00:30:19.75
a gospel being preached
and it's about to unfold to
00:30:19.75\00:30:23.05
describe what
that gospel is like.
00:30:23.05\00:30:25.05
This is what
Jesus was talking about.
00:30:25.05\00:30:27.06
>>JAMES: And even more so
because in the second angel's
00:30:27.06\00:30:29.06
message, Babylon is fallen,
that word fallen means to come
00:30:29.06\00:30:31.43
to an end and Babylon is
a code word for the world at
00:30:31.43\00:30:35.06
that time in the book of
Revelation, a code word for
00:30:35.06\00:30:37.10
the world, but before we
get onto that, Isaiah 45:17 is
00:30:37.10\00:30:40.80
also another place
where this phrase is used.
00:30:40.80\00:30:43.41
Now, check this out where
it says, but Israel shall be
00:30:43.41\00:30:46.11
saved by the Lord, in the Lord
with an everlasting salvation,
00:30:46.11\00:30:50.75
everlasting salvation.
00:30:50.75\00:30:51.91
Now, it's the only other
place where you see that kind of
00:30:51.91\00:30:55.62
phrasing in relation to
identifying, again, what the
00:30:55.62\00:30:58.39
gospel is.
00:30:58.39\00:30:59.39
The gospel is, as you
said, God's love, right?
00:30:59.39\00:31:02.42
Everlasting love.
00:31:02.42\00:31:03.43
The gospel is
everlasting salvation.
00:31:03.43\00:31:05.43
It's God's love and salvation.
00:31:05.43\00:31:06.43
From biblical perspective.
00:31:06.43\00:31:08.10
>>TY: Let me show you guys a
connection that I learned from
00:31:08.10\00:31:11.60
a mutual friend of all of
us, Dr. Fred Bishof, in chapter
00:31:11.60\00:31:15.10
14, and I thought of it
because you went there, in
00:31:15.10\00:31:17.47
chapter 24 of Matthew is it?
00:31:17.47\00:31:19.51
Yeah, Matthew 24, we just read
about the everlasting gospel
00:31:19.51\00:31:23.55
in the first angel's message,
we connected that with the
00:31:23.55\00:31:27.08
language of
everlasting love in Jeremiah 31.
00:31:27.08\00:31:31.12
Now, listen to these verses
in chapter 24 for Matthew,
00:31:31.12\00:31:34.96
starting with verse 12.
00:31:34.96\00:31:37.66
Yeah, verse 12 and it says,
in verse, yeah, why were you
00:31:37.66\00:31:44.80
going back to, go back
there if you think that...
00:31:44.80\00:31:47.17
>>JAMES: No, no, no, it was
the hatred and the offense and
00:31:47.17\00:31:49.20
all that stuff because that
gives the context of how the
00:31:49.20\00:31:51.81
love works in the context.
00:31:51.81\00:31:53.44
>>TY: Okay, this is what
Dr. Fred Bishof shared with me.
00:31:53.44\00:31:56.64
And because lawlessness will
abound, the love of many will
00:31:56.64\00:32:01.68
grow cold.
00:32:01.68\00:32:02.72
So, lawlessness is, by
definition, lovelessness.
00:32:02.72\00:32:08.29
And we know that from other
passages as well, because the
00:32:08.29\00:32:12.09
law of God, it says the
lawlessness will abound and
00:32:12.09\00:32:14.63
Jesus explicitly, just back
in chapter 23, chapter 22, tells
00:32:14.63\00:32:19.60
us that the law is love.
00:32:19.60\00:32:20.84
Okay, so, because lawlessness
will abound, the love of many
00:32:20.84\00:32:26.74
will grow cold, but,
qualification, he who endures
00:32:26.74\00:32:31.81
to the end will be saved.
00:32:31.81\00:32:33.65
Now, Dr. Bishof shared with
me that when it says but he who
00:32:33.65\00:32:36.99
endures to the end, that
grammatically, it means, those
00:32:36.99\00:32:41.26
who keep loving when
the world is not loving.
00:32:41.26\00:32:44.56
So, love is growing cold, but
some people won't grow cold in
00:32:44.56\00:32:51.47
love, they will continue.
00:32:51.47\00:32:52.73
Now, watch this part.
00:32:52.73\00:32:54.34
But he who endures in love,
the implication, to the end
00:32:54.34\00:32:58.41
shall be saved, and this
gospel of the kingdom will be
00:32:58.41\00:33:02.44
preached in all the world as
a witness, then shall the end
00:33:02.44\00:33:06.98
come.
00:33:06.98\00:33:07.95
Okay, this gospel is
the gospel of enduring love.
00:33:07.95\00:33:11.32
And doesn't that make sense
with Revelation chapter 12 and
00:33:11.32\00:33:15.46
verse 11 again?
00:33:15.46\00:33:16.66
And they overcame him by the
blood of the Lamb and the word
00:33:16.66\00:33:19.33
of their testimony and they
loved not their lives even to
00:33:19.33\00:33:22.46
the point of death.
00:33:22.46\00:33:23.50
>>DAVID: They were so
busy loving everybody else.
00:33:23.50\00:33:25.53
>>TY: Yeah, the world is
growing cold with love, cold
00:33:25.53\00:33:29.24
with hatred and betrayal and
selfishness and relationships
00:33:29.24\00:33:33.84
are being broken, integrity
is being broken, and there's
00:33:33.84\00:33:38.01
going to be a people who
continue to live out the love
00:33:38.01\00:33:42.88
of Jesus by not responding
in kind to the hatred that is in
00:33:42.88\00:33:47.69
the world.
00:33:47.69\00:33:48.72
They'll draw warmth
from the coldness of others.
00:33:48.72\00:33:50.69
>>DAVID: First of all, I love
every bit of that, that's new
00:33:50.69\00:33:54.36
for me.
00:33:54.36\00:33:56.83
The world that we live in
right now is a world in which
00:33:56.83\00:33:59.23
lots of people are really angry.
00:33:59.23\00:34:01.77
They're angry politically,
they're angry socially,
00:34:01.77\00:34:05.04
they're angry financially,
environmentally, like, we live
00:34:05.04\00:34:09.48
in a world right now
where people are really angry.
00:34:09.48\00:34:12.11
They're frustrated.
00:34:12.11\00:34:13.18
And when you're angry
about something, the natural
00:34:13.18\00:34:16.75
inclination, or the natural
desire is to find somebody to
00:34:16.75\00:34:21.06
blame.
00:34:21.06\00:34:22.19
Hey, those and they and
they and it creates this, like
00:34:22.19\00:34:26.19
sharp division of us and them.
00:34:26.19\00:34:27.96
>>TY: Yeah.
00:34:27.96\00:34:30.27
>>DAVID: These people at
the end of time, sin is their
00:34:30.27\00:34:33.70
enemy, pride is their enemy.
00:34:33.70\00:34:37.14
>>JEFFREY:
Selfishness is their enemy.
00:34:37.14\00:34:40.54
>>DAVID: People
are not their enemy.
00:34:40.54\00:34:41.98
>>TY: Isn't that incredible?
00:34:41.98\00:34:44.58
>>JAMES: And in doing
what Christ did, because isn't
00:34:44.58\00:34:46.01
there a verse in John, I can't
find it right now, that says,
00:34:46.01\00:34:47.72
and having loved his own,
he loved them unto the end.
00:34:47.72\00:34:53.05
>>TY: Chapter 13, verse 1.
00:34:53.05\00:34:54.36
>>JAMES: He loved them
unto the end, that's it, chapter
00:34:54.36\00:34:55.76
13, verse 1.
00:34:55.76\00:34:56.79
And so, in that context,
they're following the Lamb
00:34:56.79\00:34:59.29
wherever he goes.
00:34:59.29\00:35:00.43
They're following the Lamb.
00:35:00.43\00:35:02.53
>>TY: They're following
him in a practical sense.
00:35:02.53\00:35:03.77
They're following him not just
theoretically, theologically,
00:35:03.77\00:35:07.74
they're following him
practically in the way they
00:35:07.74\00:35:10.64
treat people.
00:35:10.64\00:35:11.81
>>DAVID: Man, Lord have mercy,
but how many times have we
00:35:11.81\00:35:13.54
heard or we ourselves been
guilty of communicating that
00:35:13.54\00:35:17.71
at the end of the day, what
it really boils down to is that
00:35:17.71\00:35:21.18
you've got all the
right answers to the quiz?
00:35:21.18\00:35:24.09
You know what I'm saying?
00:35:24.09\00:35:25.65
That you know that you can
dot all of your theological I's
00:35:25.65\00:35:29.46
and cross all your theological
T's, and if you get the right
00:35:29.46\00:35:32.53
answers on the test, if
you get a passing grade, then
00:35:32.53\00:35:34.63
you're in.
00:35:34.63\00:35:36.56
This is a very
different picture.
00:35:36.56\00:35:38.00
This is a picture not of
doctrinal knowledge or of
00:35:38.00\00:35:40.64
theological depth, not that
those things are unimportant,
00:35:40.64\00:35:43.77
but of experiential religion.
00:35:43.77\00:35:46.31
These people have the name
of the Father in their forehead.
00:35:46.31\00:35:50.08
>>JEFFREY: It says they follow
they Lamb wherever he goes.
00:35:50.08\00:35:52.01
>>DAVID: But where did he go?
00:35:52.01\00:35:53.11
He went healing, he
went preaching, he went
00:35:53.11\00:35:55.28
ministering.
00:35:55.28\00:35:56.48
He gave his life.
00:35:56.48\00:35:58.09
And this is the challenge.
00:35:58.09\00:35:59.52
>>JAMES: One thing I wanna
add to that, it is theological
00:35:59.52\00:36:02.06
depth.
00:36:02.06\00:36:03.26
>>DAVID: Of course it is,
but I'm saying, it's not merely.
00:36:03.26\00:36:05.73
>>JAMES: It's deeper theology.
00:36:05.73\00:36:07.50
>>DAVID: It's
not merely academic.
00:36:07.50\00:36:09.56
I knew you'd like
that, I knew you'd like that.
00:36:09.56\00:36:12.07
>>TY: Okay, so we have
the everlasting gospel on the
00:36:12.07\00:36:14.07
table, we have not really,
in any sense, exhausted that,
00:36:14.07\00:36:20.91
because we've defined
it, but it's even broader.
00:36:20.91\00:36:23.81
>>DAVID: It's exhaustless.
00:36:23.81\00:36:24.98
>>TY: Yeah, it's exhaustless,
and I wanna point out that
00:36:24.98\00:36:27.22
it's called everlasting.
00:36:27.22\00:36:28.68
We haven't emphasized that.
00:36:28.68\00:36:29.78
It's everlasting.
00:36:29.78\00:36:31.05
So, it transcends
the event of Calvary.
00:36:31.05\00:36:34.46
>>JEFFREY: Of course it does.
00:36:34.46\00:36:35.92
>>TY: This gospel, in fact,
you could say that Jesus dying
00:36:35.92\00:36:40.10
in self-sacrificing love on
Calvary's cross was simply a
00:36:40.10\00:36:44.67
manifestation of what was in
God's heart all along for all
00:36:44.67\00:36:47.47
eternity past, right?
00:36:47.47\00:36:49.40
And then, it just comes
out into the open, in this
00:36:49.40\00:36:52.41
particular form and then,
Jesus dies on the cross, he
00:36:52.41\00:36:57.08
goes into the tomb, he's
resurrected, he ascends to
00:36:57.08\00:36:59.08
heaven.
00:36:59.08\00:37:00.18
And that love is the
sustaining principle of the
00:37:00.18\00:37:02.15
universe, it just
goes on and on and on.
00:37:02.15\00:37:04.15
>>JEFFREY: Isn't that why,
in chapter 13, verse 8, it says
00:37:04.15\00:37:06.45
the Lamb was slain from
the foundation of the world?
00:37:06.45\00:37:09.22
So, in essence, in principle,
in intent, at the heart of
00:37:09.22\00:37:13.33
God, it was a done deal.
00:37:13.33\00:37:15.36
The sacrifice was
in his heart all along.
00:37:15.36\00:37:18.00
>>TY: Faithful love,
relational love, is the only
00:37:18.00\00:37:21.24
eternally sustainable principle.
00:37:21.24\00:37:23.24
Everything else
winds down and out.
00:37:23.24\00:37:27.34
Everything else
is coming to an end.
00:37:27.34\00:37:29.88
There's only one thing that
goes on and on and on and on
00:37:29.88\00:37:34.18
and on and can never
be conquered, can never be
00:37:34.18\00:37:36.38
overcome, it never winds down,
there's no ceiling, there's no
00:37:36.38\00:37:39.29
floor, there are no walls,
and that is the everlasting love
00:37:39.29\00:37:43.09
of God.
00:37:43.09\00:37:44.23
>>DAVID: When you just
said that, that's very poetic.
00:37:44.23\00:37:46.90
It reminded me of Paul's
passage there, the height,
00:37:46.90\00:37:49.90
depth, breadth.
00:37:49.90\00:37:51.30
It just, it extends.
00:37:51.30\00:37:54.80
When you say that.
00:37:54.80\00:37:55.94
>>JEFFREY: It'd be a cool
book, An Endless Falling in
00:37:55.94\00:37:58.84
Love.
00:37:58.84\00:37:59.84
>>TY: That's a
good title for a book.
00:37:59.84\00:38:01.84
>>DAVID: And it's a good book.
00:38:01.84\00:38:03.04
I, this reminds me of Romans
1, where Paul says that in the
00:38:03.04\00:38:09.15
gospel, the righteousness
of God is revealed.
00:38:09.15\00:38:13.76
It's disclosed.
00:38:13.76\00:38:15.22
It was always there.
00:38:15.22\00:38:16.36
>>JEFFREY: The
rightness of God, yeah.
00:38:16.36\00:38:18.36
>>TY: Well, another
way of saying that...
00:38:18.36\00:38:20.36
>>DAVID: It was always there
and it's just revealed now.
00:38:20.36\00:38:22.33
The cross, the plan of
salvation, the incarnation,
00:38:22.33\00:38:25.13
the resurrection, the
ascension reveals what was
00:38:25.13\00:38:28.14
there all along, and check
this out, if it hadn't been
00:38:28.14\00:38:31.41
revealed, it
would still be there.
00:38:31.41\00:38:33.78
>>TY: That's right.
00:38:33.78\00:38:35.51
>>DAVID: Right?
00:38:35.51\00:38:36.68
It's not as though when Adam
and Eve sinned and the world
00:38:36.68\00:38:39.58
has gone tumbling down
into the mess in which we find
00:38:39.58\00:38:41.58
ourselves and God's like,
ah, should we do something?
00:38:41.58\00:38:44.05
Help these guys out?
00:38:44.05\00:38:45.12
It was the moment there
was sin, there was a Savior.
00:38:45.12\00:38:50.09
>>TY: Because he
was there all along.
00:38:50.09\00:38:52.09
>>DAVID: It was there.
00:38:52.09\00:38:53.09
It was in the heart of God.
00:38:53.09\00:38:54.30
I say that the cross was
tattooed on the heart of God
00:38:54.30\00:38:58.73
from eternity past.
00:38:58.73\00:38:59.90
>>JEFFREY: Again, from the
foundation of the world, it's
00:38:59.90\00:39:01.90
in the text.
00:39:01.90\00:39:03.74
>>TY: We have to take a break
even though we don't want to.
00:39:03.74\00:39:07.01
>>DAVID: These breaks kill us.
00:39:07.01\00:39:08.64
>>TY: They do, it slows down
the momentum, but I think we
00:39:08.64\00:39:10.78
show something during
the break that is okay.
00:39:10.78\00:39:12.78
>>DAVID: It's
gotta be really good.
00:39:12.78\00:39:14.78
>>TY: Let's take a break
and we'll come right back.
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>>TY: So, the first angel's
message, we haven't even got
00:40:21.88\00:40:25.45
past the first part of
it, which is the everlasting
00:40:25.45\00:40:28.66
gospel.
00:40:28.66\00:40:29.66
>>DAVID: And it
should be that way.
00:40:29.66\00:40:31.66
It should be a pit into which
you fall and just hang around.
00:40:31.66\00:40:34.10
>>JEFFREY: Like
a bottomless pit.
00:40:34.10\00:40:36.13
>>TY: A bottomless pit of glory.
00:40:36.13\00:40:38.13
>>JAMES: And I'd like
to say one thing about this
00:40:38.13\00:40:40.14
everlasting gospel, it'll take
me 30 seconds, maybe a minute.
00:40:40.14\00:40:42.14
>>DAVID: Okay, are you ready?
00:40:42.14\00:40:43.14
I'm gonna time you right now.
00:40:43.14\00:40:44.21
>>JAMES: This phrase is
unique because the end time
00:40:44.21\00:40:46.47
proclamation, the group that
proclaims this faces a unique
00:40:46.47\00:40:49.34
situation.
00:40:49.34\00:40:50.41
They face this
dispensationalism.
00:40:50.41\00:40:52.45
They face this idea that
the gospel is a New Testament
00:40:52.45\00:40:56.72
experience only, that the Old
testament, there was something
00:40:56.72\00:40:59.19
else going on back then, there
was an old covenant back there
00:40:59.19\00:41:01.26
and the people were saved in
a different way, and in the New
00:41:01.26\00:41:03.99
Testament, now, we're saved
by Jesus, now we're saved by
00:41:03.99\00:41:06.06
grace.
00:41:06.06\00:41:07.23
And what I'd like to suggest
is that the kingdom of grace
00:41:07.23\00:41:09.83
was established by the cross,
but was always the way God
00:41:09.83\00:41:13.94
ever saved anyone.
00:41:13.94\00:41:15.80
And that's why this phrase
everlasting gospel is blessed.
00:41:15.80\00:41:18.41
>>JEFFREY: That's
why it's everlasting.
00:41:18.41\00:41:20.41
>>JAMES: Yeah, and it's placed
here in the center of this
00:41:20.41\00:41:22.41
message.
00:41:22.41\00:41:23.65
Because God wants the world
to understand that salvation has
00:41:23.65\00:41:25.55
always ever been through the
blood of the Lamb, that's all
00:41:25.55\00:41:28.58
I wanted to say,
how long did I go?
00:41:28.58\00:41:30.59
>>DAVID: You went a
minute and 13 seconds.
00:41:30.59\00:41:32.62
No, I'm just kidding.
00:41:32.62\00:41:34.06
I didn't time it.
00:41:34.06\00:41:35.49
>>TY: But summarizing the
everlasting gospel, we could
00:41:35.49\00:41:38.33
say this, that Jesus himself
is the embodiment of that
00:41:38.33\00:41:41.50
gospel.
00:41:41.50\00:41:42.70
So, that's why Paul, I think
it's in 1 Corinthians 15 or 2
00:41:42.70\00:41:45.47
Corinthians 15.
00:41:45.47\00:41:46.47
>>JAMES: 1 Corinthians 15.
00:41:46.47\00:41:47.80
>>TY: 1 Corinthians 15, Paul
basically says, I'll tell you
00:41:47.80\00:41:50.94
what the gospel is, it
is the death, burial, and
00:41:50.94\00:41:53.41
resurrection and
ascension of Jesus.
00:41:53.41\00:41:55.41
The Christ event is, in
fact, the gospel in an incarnate
00:41:55.41\00:42:00.95
form.
00:42:00.95\00:42:02.12
Jesus lived out the reality
of God's relational integrity
00:42:02.12\00:42:05.49
toward the human race and
therefore, he's the embodiment
00:42:05.49\00:42:08.66
of the good news, the glad
tidings, the happy message of
00:42:08.66\00:42:11.99
the gospel.
00:42:11.99\00:42:13.33
Jesus is the gospel.
00:42:13.33\00:42:14.66
We preach him, we're
preaching the gospel.
00:42:14.66\00:42:17.20
It's not just a theory,
it's not an idea, it is a living
00:42:17.20\00:42:20.34
personification of
God's love in Christ.
00:42:20.34\00:42:23.27
>>JAMES: And it needs to go to
every nation, kindred, tongue,
00:42:23.27\00:42:25.44
and people.
00:42:25.44\00:42:26.44
How many places is that?
00:42:26.44\00:42:27.71
Count them.
00:42:27.71\00:42:28.71
Quickly.
00:42:28.71\00:42:29.71
>>DAVID: That's all of them.
00:42:29.71\00:42:30.71
>>JAMES: But how many?
00:42:30.71\00:42:31.71
What's the number?
00:42:31.71\00:42:32.65
>>TY: I don't know
what you're getting at.
00:42:32.65\00:42:34.72
>>JAMES: It's four.
00:42:34.72\00:42:35.72
The number is four.
00:42:35.72\00:42:36.72
Four.
00:42:36.72\00:42:37.72
>>TY: Why?
00:42:37.72\00:42:38.69
>>JAMES: Because we
have looked at this number
00:42:38.69\00:42:40.72
systematically, I don't
wanna say systematically, but
00:42:40.72\00:42:42.72
consistently through
the book of Revelation.
00:42:42.72\00:42:44.96
You've got the four horses,
remember the four horses?
00:42:44.96\00:42:47.30
You've got the four
winds being held back.
00:42:47.30\00:42:48.50
God is holding back all of
the anger and the trouble of the
00:42:48.50\00:42:54.10
world, the four horses
represent a message that's
00:42:54.10\00:42:57.71
impacting the entire world,
the four types of ground, the
00:42:57.71\00:43:00.64
seed that's sown, represent
all the world, this message is
00:43:00.64\00:43:03.28
to go to all the world,
north, south, east, and west.
00:43:03.28\00:43:05.71
And it's interesting because...
00:43:05.71\00:43:07.68
>>DAVID: So, that's the
nation, kindred, tribe, and
00:43:07.68\00:43:10.15
people, is that the
point that you're making?
00:43:10.15\00:43:11.49
>>JAMES: The point
is is that it's four.
00:43:11.49\00:43:13.79
>>TY: Where is four
is what he's asking.
00:43:13.79\00:43:16.16
>>DAVID: So, the nation,
kindred, tongue, and people.
00:43:16.16\00:43:18.43
>>TY: Oh, okay.
00:43:18.43\00:43:19.63
>>JAMES: It's gonna be nation,
kindred, tongue, and people.
00:43:19.63\00:43:20.40
Because there's other places...
00:43:20.40\00:43:21.53
>>DAVID: So, you're saying
there's a universality to four
00:43:21.53\00:43:23.53
in Revelation.
00:43:23.53\00:43:24.73
>>JAMES: Yes,
and that's the point.
00:43:24.73\00:43:26.27
>>TY: And it says to preach
to those who dwell on the earth.
00:43:26.27\00:43:29.10
So, it's global.
00:43:29.10\00:43:30.57
>>JAMES: It's global.
00:43:30.57\00:43:31.37
That's the point.
00:43:31.37\00:43:32.47
Four is symbolic of this
global inclusion, if you will.
00:43:32.47\00:43:36.58
In other words, no tribe is
left out, no people left out,
00:43:36.58\00:43:38.91
no one is, God
isn't saying, well, you...
00:43:38.91\00:43:41.08
>>DAVID: I cannot not say
this point, and that is that the
00:43:41.08\00:43:45.35
promise of the gospel, out
of which, the covenant out of
00:43:45.35\00:43:49.46
which the good news of the
gospel grew was a promise that
00:43:49.46\00:43:51.69
God made to Abraham all the
way back in Genesis 12, that
00:43:51.69\00:43:55.46
in you, Abraham, and in
my calling of you and in your
00:43:55.46\00:43:58.30
descendants and in the
fulfillment of my promise to
00:43:58.30\00:44:00.40
you, all the families of
the earth will be blessed.
00:44:00.40\00:44:05.41
So, there's the
everlasting gospel.
00:44:05.41\00:44:07.34
There's the continuity between
the Abrahamic covenant, right
00:44:07.34\00:44:10.98
down through the Old Testament
to, by the way, I have this
00:44:10.98\00:44:15.75
thing, have you heard my
little thing about this page?
00:44:15.75\00:44:17.92
This is the only page in
the bible that's not inspired.
00:44:17.92\00:44:21.42
I fold it over because I
can't stand to look at it.
00:44:21.42\00:44:23.43
I don't wanna look at it.
00:44:23.43\00:44:24.59
>>JEFFREY: Actually, the
table of contents isn't inspired
00:44:24.59\00:44:26.43
either.
00:44:26.43\00:44:27.46
>>DAVID: But starting
from Genesis, when you get to
00:44:27.46\00:44:29.40
Genesis to Revelation 22.
00:44:29.40\00:44:30.60
>>TY: I hadn't heard the point
they have, so I don't, and I
00:44:30.60\00:44:33.23
don't think everybody who's
with us in this conversation.
00:44:33.23\00:44:35.84
>>DAVID: So, this here
says the New Testament.
00:44:35.84\00:44:39.37
The New Testament.
00:44:39.37\00:44:40.68
So, it's not inspired.
00:44:40.68\00:44:42.44
'Cause you go from
Malachi 4 to Matthew 1.
00:44:42.44\00:44:45.88
>>TY: And you're
saying it's a continuum.
00:44:45.88\00:44:47.95
>>DAVID: It's an absolute
continuum as the first verse
00:44:47.95\00:44:50.55
of Matthew makes clear.
00:44:50.55\00:44:51.65
The book of the genealogy,
literally, the genesis, of
00:44:51.65\00:44:54.72
Jesus Christ, the Son of
David, the son of Abraham.
00:44:54.72\00:44:57.26
>>TY: It's just continuing on.
00:44:57.26\00:44:58.36
>>DAVID: To which anybody
who was handed just a New
00:44:58.36\00:45:00.30
Testament, would say,
who's David and Abraham?
00:45:00.30\00:45:05.17
>>TY: [Laughter]
00:45:05.17\00:45:06.87
>>DAVID: And then
you got this whole list.
00:45:06.87\00:45:08.14
Who's Obed?
00:45:08.14\00:45:08.84
Who's Ruth?
00:45:08.84\00:45:09.37
Who's Jess?
00:45:09.37\00:45:10.11
Who's Solomon?
00:45:10.11\00:45:10.97
Who's Rahoboam?
00:45:10.97\00:45:11.64
>>TY: So, it's one narrative.
00:45:11.64\00:45:12.74
>>DAVID: So, that's why I
say I don't like it, there's
00:45:12.74\00:45:14.64
continuity from here to here.
00:45:14.64\00:45:17.38
Jesus is not some new thing.
00:45:17.38\00:45:20.55
He's new in the sense of
the incarnation, that's new, but
00:45:20.55\00:45:22.22
the means by which the good
news of the gospel, the Lamb
00:45:22.22\00:45:25.92
slain, go back to the
Passover, that's a lamb slain.
00:45:25.92\00:45:29.02
Go to the sanctuary
service, that's a lamb slain.
00:45:29.02\00:45:31.43
Come to the New Testament,
this is the substance that was
00:45:31.43\00:45:33.73
anticipated by the shadow,
so that's why I don't like this
00:45:33.73\00:45:36.30
page.
00:45:36.30\00:45:37.40
I don't think it belongs
there because it introduces an
00:45:37.40\00:45:39.33
artificial distinction
between the old, the dusty, old,
00:45:39.33\00:45:43.41
antiquated, and
the bright shiny new.
00:45:43.41\00:45:45.71
>>JEFFREY: You seem angry,
you seem upset about that.
00:45:45.71\00:45:47.71
[Laughter]
00:45:47.71\00:45:48.74
Let me give you a massage.
00:45:48.74\00:45:51.01
>>JAMES: In the Old Testament,
they look forward to the Lamb,
00:45:51.01\00:45:54.42
in the New Testament,
they look back at the Lamb.
00:45:54.42\00:45:56.25
>>DAVID: I'll take a hug
from you, 'cause I'm cold.
00:45:56.25\00:45:58.12
>>JAMES: Everything centers
in the Lamb, looking forward or
00:45:58.12\00:45:59.92
looking back, we're
all looking at the Lamb.
00:45:59.92\00:46:01.89
>>TY: Okay, so, if I
understand correctly, we're in
00:46:01.89\00:46:03.99
our third segment.
00:46:03.99\00:46:05.19
>>JAMES: We're on
our third segment.
00:46:05.19\00:46:06.39
>>TY: We're on our
third segment, so, let's move
00:46:06.39\00:46:07.83
through the remainder of the
first angel's message because
00:46:07.83\00:46:10.90
we got a lot to cover here.
00:46:10.90\00:46:12.73
>>DAVID: No, we don't, we
only have verse 7 to cover.
00:46:12.73\00:46:14.34
>>TY: Yeah, but
there's a lot in that verse.
00:46:14.34\00:46:16.04
Okay, there are elements.
00:46:16.04\00:46:17.47
Number one, and I'll just
throw them out, we've already
00:46:17.47\00:46:19.57
read it, but I'll throw them
out and you guys can just go
00:46:19.57\00:46:21.11
wild commenting on it.
00:46:21.11\00:46:22.31
>>DAVID: Let me throw them
out and you go wild commenting.
00:46:22.31\00:46:23.85
I wanna throw,
okay, no, you go ahead.
00:46:23.85\00:46:26.65
Fear God, that's element
number one, give glory to him,
00:46:26.65\00:46:30.55
that's element number two,
the hour of his judgement has
00:46:30.55\00:46:33.52
come, that's element number
three, and worship him who
00:46:33.52\00:46:36.02
made heaven and earth,
that's element number four.
00:46:36.02\00:46:39.66
So, there's four
elements in verse 7.
00:46:39.66\00:46:43.67
What is being spoken
of when it says fear God?
00:46:43.67\00:46:47.37
Are we really being asked?
00:46:47.37\00:46:49.44
>>DAVID: Everybody take one.
00:46:49.44\00:46:50.54
>>TY: Everybody take one.
00:46:50.54\00:46:51.51
I have fear God?
00:46:51.51\00:46:52.67
>>DAVID: Give
glory, judgement, worship.
00:46:52.67\00:46:56.41
>>TY: Can I comment on give
glory when someone else does?
00:46:56.41\00:46:58.51
>>DAVID: Sure, but
just start with this.
00:46:58.51\00:47:00.12
>>TY: Okay, fear God.
00:47:00.12\00:47:01.55
When this passage says fear
God, we can go one of two ways
00:47:03.65\00:47:09.16
with this.
00:47:09.16\00:47:10.36
It's either saying, hey, in
the light of this really good
00:47:10.36\00:47:13.80
news of who God is, this
everlasting gospel, tremble
00:47:13.80\00:47:17.03
and be terrified and run from
him, or the passage is saying
00:47:17.03\00:47:22.27
fear God in the sense of, boy,
in the light of God's love for
00:47:22.27\00:47:27.04
you, isn't that so amazing and
incredible that it should just
00:47:27.04\00:47:31.11
blow your mind with awe?
00:47:31.11\00:47:33.42
It's that kind of fear
that is being articulated here.
00:47:33.42\00:47:37.02
Not the tremble and run
away from, but it's more the
00:47:37.02\00:47:41.76
tremble with
excitement and run to.
00:47:41.76\00:47:44.76
Not tremble with terror and
run away, tremble, but there's
00:47:44.76\00:47:48.16
trembling.
00:47:48.16\00:47:49.13
I mean, this God is
so awesome, you can't not
00:47:49.13\00:47:51.73
tremble.
00:47:51.73\00:47:53.10
I mean, sometimes, we need
to realize that love itself,
00:47:53.10\00:47:57.44
while it doesn't produce
terror, it does produce a
00:47:57.44\00:48:01.48
really healthy sense of
boy, he's like that and I'm not.
00:48:01.48\00:48:05.68
He's like that and I'm not.
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>>JEFFREY: Can I
share a verse on this?
00:48:08.05\00:48:11.15
In Jeremiah chapter 32 when
it talks about the new covenant
00:48:11.15\00:48:15.09
experience where in the
everlasting gospel, we will
00:48:15.09\00:48:18.03
receive a new heart.
00:48:18.03\00:48:19.23
The promise says, I will make
an everlasting covenant with
00:48:19.23\00:48:24.13
them, I will not turn
away from doing good to them,
00:48:24.13\00:48:27.10
another translation says, I
will never stop doing good to
00:48:27.10\00:48:29.87
them, but I will put my fear
in their hearts so that they
00:48:29.87\00:48:33.94
will not depart from me.
00:48:33.94\00:48:35.48
So, there's this weird paradox.
00:48:35.48\00:48:39.35
Chapter 32, verse 40, there's
this weird paradox where you
00:48:39.35\00:48:44.95
normally fear somebody when
they do bad to you, not when
00:48:44.95\00:48:48.49
they do good to you.
00:48:48.49\00:48:49.72
But the text says, God says,
I will never stop doing good to
00:48:49.72\00:48:52.86
them, and in consequence
of the way I relate to them in
00:48:52.86\00:48:56.36
only doing good to them,
it will inspire fear for me.
00:48:56.36\00:49:00.57
>>TY: Okay, adding to that,
I can't find it, but James may
00:49:00.57\00:49:04.27
know where this
verse is quickly.
00:49:04.27\00:49:06.27
>>JAMES: Psalm 130:3 and
4, or Psalm 147 verse 11?
00:49:06.27\00:49:08.41
>>TY: It's the one that
associates forgiveness with
00:49:08.41\00:49:11.25
fear.
00:49:11.25\00:49:12.25
>>JAMES: Yeah,
Psalm 130:3 and 4.
00:49:12.25\00:49:14.25
>>TY: Watch this,
guys, what is it, Psalm 133?
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>>JAMES: 130, verses 3 and 4.
00:49:16.45\00:49:18.92
>>TY: Verses 3 and
4, 130, verses 3 and 4.
00:49:18.92\00:49:23.06
This is amazing to me, I
don't even, I don't even have it
00:49:23.06\00:49:28.43
underlined here, verses 3
and 4, if you, Lord, should mark
00:49:28.43\00:49:33.00
iniquities, or if you're
keeping track of our sins,
00:49:33.00\00:49:36.74
okay, oh, Lord, who could stand?
00:49:36.74\00:49:39.44
But there is forgiveness
with you that you may be feared.
00:49:39.44\00:49:44.08
Isn't that amazing?
00:49:44.08\00:49:46.31
So, God is so good that
he forgives and that produces
00:49:46.31\00:49:53.12
fear?
00:49:53.12\00:49:54.32
Well, it can't be the kind
of fear that would make you run
00:49:54.32\00:49:56.12
away, it's gotta be the kind
of fear that puts you on your
00:49:56.12\00:49:58.73
face with awe.
00:49:58.73\00:50:00.70
Not the kind that sends you
away, but sends you to because
00:50:00.70\00:50:04.17
forgiveness is such a
mind-blowing thing that God
00:50:04.17\00:50:07.54
would treat us in that way.
00:50:07.54\00:50:09.20
So, in other words, I'm
saying, you assigned fear to
00:50:09.20\00:50:12.71
me in the first angel's message.
00:50:12.71\00:50:14.94
I'm suggesting that the fear
of the first angel's message
00:50:14.94\00:50:18.25
is the fear of awe at the
forgiving mercy of God that
00:50:18.25\00:50:22.68
would drive us to
him, not away from him.
00:50:22.68\00:50:25.79
>>JAMES: Alright,
Ephesians chapter 2.
00:50:25.79\00:50:28.59
>>DAVID: Wait, are
you going for give glory?
00:50:28.59\00:50:30.59
>>JAMES: Yeah.
00:50:30.59\00:50:31.59
>>DAVID: Okay, give glory.
00:50:31.59\00:50:32.79
>>JAMES: Ephesians chapter 2
verse 8 and it's just gonna be
00:50:32.79\00:50:34.93
one verse, it's a lot, it's
gonna be one verse right here,
00:50:34.93\00:50:37.13
Ephesians 2, verse 8 basically
is telling us how we're saved.
00:50:37.13\00:50:40.84
IT says, for by grace, you
are saved through faith, not of
00:50:40.84\00:50:45.81
yourselves, it is the gift
of God, verse 9, not of your
00:50:45.81\00:50:48.41
works, lest any
man should glory.
00:50:48.41\00:50:50.41
Glory to God is to
realize we're saved by grace.
00:50:50.41\00:50:52.75
>>TY: The same
Greek word, isn't it?
00:50:52.75\00:50:54.75
>>JAMES: Yes, it's
saved by grace through faith.
00:50:54.75\00:50:56.85
And by the way, just to tie in
with what Ty said, because the
00:50:56.85\00:51:00.29
phrase everlasting gospel
has to inform every phrase that
00:51:00.29\00:51:03.89
follows.
00:51:03.89\00:51:05.06
The everlasting gospel has
to inform and define what it
00:51:05.06\00:51:08.46
means to fear God, what it
means to glory God, what it
00:51:08.46\00:51:10.77
means to have these judgements
come, what does it mean to
00:51:10.77\00:51:13.30
worship him?
00:51:13.30\00:51:14.24
>>DAVID: That's the
umbrella under which...
00:51:14.24\00:51:16.30
>>JAMES: Yes, it
has to fall under that.
00:51:16.30\00:51:18.31
It was grace that taught
my heart to fear and grace my
00:51:18.31\00:51:23.18
fears relieved.
00:51:23.18\00:51:25.81
>>DAVID: God forbid that
I should glory, save in the
00:51:25.81\00:51:29.62
cross.
00:51:29.62\00:51:30.65
>>TY: Okay, we have four
minutes left, so we better
00:51:30.65\00:51:32.75
hurry up and go to judgement.
00:51:32.75\00:51:34.92
Is it judgement you have?
00:51:34.92\00:51:36.32
>>DAVID: He's got judgement.
00:51:36.32\00:51:38.36
>>JEFFREY: Fear God, give
glory to him for the hour of
00:51:39.43\00:51:42.13
his judgement has come.
00:51:42.13\00:51:43.40
We've been identifying
judgement as the vindication
00:51:43.40\00:51:47.64
of the character of God,
and I love how it says for, fear
00:51:47.64\00:51:50.57
God, we've described,
his goodness towards us, his
00:51:50.57\00:51:53.17
forgiveness.
00:51:53.17\00:51:54.34
Glory to him, salvation by
grace, by faith, and then, it
00:51:54.34\00:51:57.45
says, because, for the
hour of his judgement has come.
00:51:57.45\00:52:01.35
In other words, in the context
of the judgement, and the
00:52:01.35\00:52:05.22
vindication of the character
of God, that's the context
00:52:05.22\00:52:07.72
that scripture
positions the judgment in.
00:52:07.72\00:52:09.72
So, in the judgement, we're
not really the ones on trial,
00:52:09.72\00:52:12.96
God is actually the one
on trial in the judgement.
00:52:12.96\00:52:15.83
And what vindicates him is the
outflowing of what causes the
00:52:15.83\00:52:20.47
fear of God and he glory of
God, which is the character of
00:52:20.47\00:52:22.77
God.
00:52:22.77\00:52:23.84
>>TY: Is there an
instance, Jeffrey, in which the
00:52:23.84\00:52:24.44
judgement goes both ways?
00:52:24.44\00:52:25.37
>>JEFFREY: I think so.
00:52:25.37\00:52:26.57
>>TY: Okay, so it's not that
we're not being judged, he is,
00:52:26.57\00:52:29.98
it's that we're assessing
and judging him, which reacts in
00:52:29.98\00:52:35.55
judgement on us.
00:52:35.55\00:52:36.55
Right?
00:52:36.55\00:52:37.65
Because my opinion, the
opinion I form of God and his
00:52:37.65\00:52:42.59
character is going to
determine my position in the
00:52:42.59\00:52:46.06
judgement, right?
00:52:46.06\00:52:47.50
You have the next part.
00:52:47.50\00:52:48.76
>>DAVID:
Anything about the hour?
00:52:48.76\00:52:50.77
>>JEFFREY: Well, we've been
on timeframes, we've been on
00:52:50.77\00:52:53.17
timeframes.
00:52:53.17\00:52:54.34
>>TY: He's trying to hurry
though because of the minutes
00:52:54.34\00:52:56.17
we have.
00:52:56.17\00:52:57.34
>>JEFFREY: In Revelation
10, and we talked about the 120
00:52:57.34\00:52:59.44
day prophecy and fulfillment
in 1844 and so, this is the
00:52:59.44\00:53:03.14
immediacy of this message.
00:53:03.14\00:53:04.48
>>JAMES: One other thing, in
30 seconds, the woman that was
00:53:04.48\00:53:07.45
caught in adultery poured
out an alabaster box on the feet
00:53:07.45\00:53:10.39
of Christ and was judged
by those around, but it wasn't
00:53:10.39\00:53:13.96
just her that was judged.
00:53:13.96\00:53:15.82
When the judgement came,
the accusation was, this man, if
00:53:15.82\00:53:20.20
he would understand what kind
of woman this is, God and man
00:53:20.20\00:53:23.10
are in the judgement together
because the way God saves us
00:53:23.10\00:53:26.53
and the way God treats us
is being judged, evaluated.
00:53:26.53\00:53:30.61
And the way we respond
vindicates God's character.
00:53:30.61\00:53:33.84
And that's why Jesus
said, wherever the gospel's
00:53:33.84\00:53:37.08
preached.
00:53:37.08\00:53:38.08
>>DAVID: This
story will be told.
00:53:38.08\00:53:40.08
>>JAMES: Yes.
00:53:40.08\00:53:41.28
Because, and then, what the
woman does is she hides behind
00:53:41.28\00:53:43.08
Jesus and Jesus vindicates her.
00:53:43.08\00:53:44.05
That's the
judgement, we hide behind Jesus.
00:53:44.05\00:53:46.09
>>TY: To Jeffrey's, I'll
just add one bible verse to the
00:53:46.09\00:53:48.46
judgement, and that's Daniel
chapter 7, where the judgement
00:53:48.46\00:53:53.26
is described and it says the
judgement is made in favor of
00:53:53.26\00:53:57.37
the saints of the
most high God in Daniel 7.
00:53:57.37\00:54:00.04
So, I think we can say, as
James was pointing out, that
00:54:00.04\00:54:03.37
everything is defined
under the umbrella of the
00:54:03.37\00:54:05.97
everlasting gospel, so we
can say that the judgement, even
00:54:05.97\00:54:09.31
though that word doesn't
register as good news, is a
00:54:09.31\00:54:12.08
part of the gospel.
00:54:12.08\00:54:13.21
It's good news because the
judgement is in favor of the
00:54:13.21\00:54:17.49
saints from Godward toward the
saints and the judgement is in
00:54:17.49\00:54:22.29
favor of God from
human beings to God.
00:54:22.29\00:54:25.33
So, both ways.
00:54:25.33\00:54:26.33
>>DAVID: Just and
true are your ways.
00:54:26.33\00:54:28.30
>>TY: Okay, you have a minute.
00:54:28.30\00:54:29.43
>>DAVID: Well, it says it
right at the end of verse 7,
00:54:29.43\00:54:31.97
worship him who made the
heaven and the earth, the sea
00:54:31.97\00:54:35.50
and the springs of water,
as we've noted numerous times,
00:54:35.50\00:54:38.77
the book of Revelation is
founded, grounded, and based
00:54:38.77\00:54:41.88
upon the Old Testament, it
borrows language from the Old
00:54:41.88\00:54:44.15
Testament, but this passage
here is probably the single
00:54:44.15\00:54:47.52
longest quotation,
verbatim quotation from the Old
00:54:47.52\00:54:51.42
Testament, and it's
lifted straight out of the 10
00:54:51.42\00:54:54.69
commandments, but not just
any commandment, it's lifted out
00:54:54.69\00:54:57.26
of the fourth commandment,
which was the Sabbath
00:54:57.26\00:54:59.26
commandment, which was a
memorial and a symbol and a
00:54:59.26\00:55:05.57
day of worshipping
God as the creator.
00:55:05.57\00:55:08.57
Which gives us a very strong
indication that there's going
00:55:08.57\00:55:12.61
to be a return, a significant
return to worshipping God as
00:55:12.61\00:55:16.34
the creator in the context
of end time events, the Sabbath,
00:55:16.34\00:55:20.95
it's saying here, is
going to be significant.
00:55:20.95\00:55:23.12
Keep your eyes open for
the Sabbath and for worshipping
00:55:23.12\00:55:26.19
God as creator.
00:55:26.19\00:55:27.29
>>TY: Excellent.
00:55:27.29\00:55:28.49
And not only is the Sabbath
a memorial of creation, but if
00:55:28.49\00:55:32.66
we had time, we could also
flesh out that it's a memorial
00:55:32.66\00:55:34.93
of redemption.
00:55:34.93\00:55:36.10
Which, again, puts it where
James put all of this, under
00:55:36.10\00:55:38.97
the umbrella of
the everlasting gospel.
00:55:38.97\00:55:41.47
Wow.
00:55:41.47\00:55:42.57
So, the first angel's
message is an extremely powerful
00:55:42.57\00:55:46.11
message that, according
to Revelation 14, needs to go
00:55:46.11\00:55:50.08
global, it needs to go viral,
it needs to go to the whole
00:55:50.08\00:55:52.95
world, and Table Talk itself,
right now, is a part of that
00:55:52.95\00:55:57.45
taking global the
everlasting gospel.
00:55:57.45\00:56:00.32
Excellent conversation.
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