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>>TY: So, the book of
Revelation, we're discovering,
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has certain features,
certain patterns, and one of the
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patterns that we've
mentioned before that we need to
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highlight now is that it moves
through a repeat and enlarge
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process.
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We saw that the seven churches
prophecy begins first century
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and moves to the end of
time to the second coming and
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beyond.
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Final judgment and the
establishment of the kingdom
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of God, new heavens, new earth.
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Now, we've come to that part
of the book of Revelation that
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probably anybody who's read
the book or studied or tried
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to understand it would regard
as the most complex part of
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the book, the
seals and the trumpets.
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Now, we, on this journey
through Revelation can't get
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into the details in a mere
13 programs of every single
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aspect of the book of
Revelation, but we should at
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least pause to mention what's
going on with the seals and
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trumpets because, in our last
session, we talked about the
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fact that, in Revelation 4
and 5, there is a scroll with 7
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seals in the hand of the
one who sits on the throne.
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We identified that seal with
the aid of the book of Ezekiel
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as basically, human history
with all its horrors and woes,
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that scroll, and then
Jesus alone, by virtue of his
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solidarity with the human
race, as the one who is worthy
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to resolve the human
predicament, to look into, to
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understand and
sympathize with...
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>>JAMES: Which has already
been resolved in heaven, which
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needs to be resolved on earth.
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>>TY: It's been resolved
in heaven, but it needs to be
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resolved in earth.
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So, now we have the seals that
are actually open before us.
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So, James...
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>>DAVID: Which
is chapters 6, 7...
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>>JAMES: And 8:1.
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>>DAVID: The
very first part of 8.
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>>JAMES: Yeah.
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>>TY: So, James, give
us the flyby of the seals.
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>>JAMES: Well, the seals flyby
is another prophetic cycle.
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So, we know it began
in the apostolic age.
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>>TY: First century.
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>>JAMES: First century.
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We see the inauguration
of Christ in Revelation 5.
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We see the fact that the 24
elders were there because of
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the Lamb that's slain.
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And then, the
Lamb takes the scroll.
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The history of the human race
and he begins to unseal it, he
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begins to open up the mysteries.
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And the main mystery that he's
opening up to us is, if God is
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love, why sin and suffering?
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And so, what we see is, we
see a proclamation of the gospel
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in contrast with, we're gonna
look at red horse, we're not
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gonna look at red horse,
but red horse, black horse, pale
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horse.
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Those 3 horses, combined
with the white horse, represent,
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the four, again.
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>>TY: In chapter 6.
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>>JAMES: Chapter 6, the
four again, all humanity is
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included in these four horses.
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And basically, if you wanna
understand the four horses,
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just go to Matthew 13, the
parable of the sower and the
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seed.
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Jesus sowed the seed, it was
a parable of the kingdom of God,
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it fell upon
four types of ground.
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One ground was
good, three were bad.
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Four horses.
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One horse is
good, three were bad.
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Four corners of the earth,
four types of ground, four
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horses, it's the history of
humanity and each one of those
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horses represents either
Christ and his kingdom or
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those that work against.
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The red horse, persecution,
the black horse, compromise,
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the pale horse,
death and destruction.
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>>TY: And it
parallels the seven churches.
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>>JAMES: It parallels the same
history, takes us all the way
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down and then, finally,
you come to this place where we
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see this second coming
of Christ and we have this
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question asked in Revelation
7, who's gonna be able to
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stand when Jesus comes and the
answer is kind of an interlude
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that's given, there's gonna
be a great interlude of sealed
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ones that no man can number
that's gonna stand before the
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throne and before the lamb.
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And that brings us all the
way into the new heaven and the
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new earth where they worship
him day and night, they walk
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beside the river of life,
they don't cry, the sun doesn't
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light them anymore, no more
tears, no more pain, no more
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sorrow.
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So, we've come all the way
from the apostolic age through
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this revelation of history,
the gospel being proclaimed,
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opposed by persecution,
darkness, and death, and
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coming out on the other side,
we see this great multitude,
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the second coming of Christ,
and then, in the new heaven
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and the new earth, the
redeemed ones who stand before
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the throne and no more crying
and no more pain, boom, that's
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the end of the second...
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>>TY: Okay, so that's
a snapshot of the seals.
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>>DAVID: Can I ask
you a question about that?
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>>JAMES: Yeah.
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>>DAVID: So, tell me if
this illustration works, James.
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You know a lot more about the
seals and the trumpets than I
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do, personally, so, tell me
if you like this or if it works.
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So, rather than moving
through space in the book of
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Revelation, we're
moving through time.
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That's what we've been talking
about, the one who was, who
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is, and who is to come.
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From the time of John, a
little bit back, but mostly
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forward.
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Right, moving forward.
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So, imagine that we're gonna
traverse now, not time, but
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space, we're gonna
cover, say, from New York to San
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Francisco, so we're gonna
traverse the United States.
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That's a significant
piece of real estate.
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And the first time we drive it.
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And when we drive it, okay,
we saw that and there was a, and
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we saw this, and there
was a stop here and there was,
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whatever.
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And then, the second time, we
walk it, just using different,
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now we see different things,
we're on different kinds of
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roads, we're seeing different
things, we're traversing, and
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the next time, we fly it.
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So, always, we're passing over
the same ground, but we see,
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like this, you see this.
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Okay, now here's my
question, get your picture.
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So, would this be safe to say,
and just totally shut me down
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if it's now.
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So, in the
churches, we get the pastoral.
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This is, church history
from the church's perspective.
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Seven churches.
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The seals is the, like,
the history of earth, moving
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through the various phases,
the unfolding of human history
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with all of its pain,
lamentation, mourning, woe, as
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we talked about.
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And then, the trumpets is
primarily from the perspective
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of conflict and not just,
military conflict and even
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judgement, which of
course, announce judgement.
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So, is that, yes, no.
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>>JAMES: That's fantastic.
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>>TY: I resonate with that.
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>>DAVID: And there's gonna
be unique things that you see
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that'll be unique to driving,
unique to flying and unique to
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walking.
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Just as you're gonna see.
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>>TY: You're covering
the same ground, territory.
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They're not prophecies that
run end to end, seven churches
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followed by seven seals,
followed by seven trumpets.
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They are repeat and
enlarge, they're all running
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concurrent, all
these three sevens.
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>>JAMES: And what would really
help is to just look at the
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book of Daniel.
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The book of Daniel does this
in Daniel 2, Daniel 7, Daniel
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8, Daniel 11.
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Now, notice, Daniel 2 is an
image, Daniel 7 is these four
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beasts.
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There's the image of Daniel 2.
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Then you've got Daniel 7 being
these four beasts, ending up
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with this terrible beast in
Daniel chapter 7, and then, in
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Daniel 8, you've
got other animals.
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Not the same animals that were
in Daniel chapter 7, but other
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animals, and then, in Daniel
11, you've got the king of the
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north and the king of the
south, the king of the north
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and the king of the south.
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So, you've got your
air travel, you've got your
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walking, you've got your
car travel, you've got those
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different modes of travelling
the same road and this is
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really powerful, because
here's the thing, here's the
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underlying theme.
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God's character has
been vindicated in heaven.
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His throne is surrounded
by lightning and thunder and
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earthquakes, all this power
has been vindicated in heaven,
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but it has to come
down to this earth.
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His character has
to be seen on earth.
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So, when you begin the third
cycle, I just want us to move
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to Revelation chapter 8, I
want you to notice something
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here.
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When we begin the third
cycle, third prophetic cycle, we
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won't get into the details
of this, but we'll just open it
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in this way so that people
can see this is where we're
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starting, in the apostolic
age, you have an angel that
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stands before God in verse
2, excuse me, in verse 3, you
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have an angel that
stands before an altar, having a
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golden sensor and there's
given unto him much incense.
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He offers it with the prayers
of all the saints upon the
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golden altar, which
was before the throne.
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All of this is
sanctuary language.
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It's indicating altar, cross,
golden altar, sanctuary, the
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cross and the sacrifice of
Christ has been taken to the
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heavenly sanctuary.
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Prayers are coming up.
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Now, if this is apostolic age,
the prayers that are coming up
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are the prayers of
Christ's disciples.
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They're praying together in
Jerusalem for the outpouring
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of the Holy Spirit.
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That's the apostolic age.
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We haven't verified that here
yet, we've just said, if this
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is the apostolic age,
that's what's happening in the
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apostles' world right now, okay?
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Then it goes on to say, the
smoke of the incense, verse 4.
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>>TY: Where are you?
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Oh, verse 4, okay.
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>>JAMES: Comes with
the prayers of the saints.
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It sends up before God out of
the angel's hand and the angel
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took the sensor and filled
it with fire off the altar and
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cast it into the earth.
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>>TY: Oh, Acts 2.
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>>JAMES: Acts chapter 2.
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>>DAVID: That
sounds very Acts 2.
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>>JAMES: Now,
notice what happens here.
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>>DAVID: Tongues of
fire on their heads.
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>>JAMES: Yes.
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And notice what happens in
verse 5, and there were voices
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and thundering's and
lightning's and an earthquake.
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And that, the
implication is, in the earth.
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All of these things that
we've just read, the voices, the
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thundering's, the lightning's,
all of those are around the
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throne in Revelation chapter 4.
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But after the death of Christ,
after the lamb slain, it's
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presented, in Revelation
chapter 8, starting the same
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cycle again, all of these
things are now poured out into
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the earth.
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For what purpose?
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To vindicate the character of
God, to take the establishment
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of God's throne that's
been set in heaven, to now bring
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that Revelation to planet earth.
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How's it gonna be
taken to planet earth?
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Through the
outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
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>>TY: Through the
proclamation of the gospel.
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>>JAMES: Yes,
what were they doing?
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They were preaching Christ,
they were lifting up Jesus,
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they wouldn't stop
preaching about Christ.
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That's where the trumpets began.
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Then, we go
through the same cycle.
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Through these trumpets, we
go through the same cycle of the
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black horse, the red horse,
excuse me, the black horse,
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the pale horse, the same basic
history that we found with the
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persecution of the church and
then we had the compromise of
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the church, then we had
the reformation, we go through
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that whole history, and then
we come to Revelation chapter
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10 and we land right
here where God decides that he
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wants us to stop, put on
the brakes, hold it right here,
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God didn't decide that, we
decided that, but God has kind
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of an interlude here where
he spends a lot more time on an
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event that takes place in
Revelation chapter 10, that
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Jeffrey's gonna unpack for
us, I'm volunteering you because
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you're so quiet over there,
that we didn't spend a lot of
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time on in the seven churches,
we didn't spend a lot of time
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on the seven seals.
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But God has a whole chapter
on it now in the seven trumpets.
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>>TY: Okay, so to summarize,
because we're talking about
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complex stuff here, just to
make sure we're all tracking
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in the same direction, we have
three prophetic lines, seven
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churches, seven seals,
seven trumpets, all of them are
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beginning with first church,
first seal, first trumpet,
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first century...
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>>JAMES: Apostolic age.
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>>TY: ...apostolic age.
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All of them run concurrent,
but are revealing different
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aspects of that unfolding
history but all concluding at
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the same period in history,
the end of time, straight up
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to the second coming and beyond.
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And what you're suggesting
is that, in the middle of these
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three cycles of sevens, when
we come to the seven trumpets,
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we encounter what you
just called an interlude, and I
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think that's good language
because, yeah, parenthetical
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statement, because what's
happening is you come to the
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sixth trumpet in chapter
9, verses 13-21, and then,
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chapters 10 and 11 unfold
before you get to the seventh
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trumpet, which again, kicks
back in, in chapter 11, yeah.
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And verse 15.
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So, that's why you're
calling it an interlude.
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The reason I'm repeating
is because, again, this is
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complex, and so, we
wanna understand that now, what
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we're gonna spend the
remainder of our time talking
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about, really, is this
interlude, in this session, is
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this interlude.
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So, basically,
chapters 10 and 11.
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>>JAMES: And one reason we're
gonna do that is because, if
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we spend a lot of our time
on the trumpets, we'd simply be
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repeating what we've
already covered in the churches,
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which, we've already covered
in detail, but it's the same
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history, but here's something
new, here's something that's
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intriguing, here's
something that's significant.
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>>TY: So, let's crack
into this interlude, this
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parenthetical statement where
things are revealed, I guess
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we could say these things are
revealed between the sixth and
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the seventh trumpet, so just
picture, there's two bookends,
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so to speak, sixth trumpet
unfolds, and then, it's as if
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John is saying, wait a minute,
but then God showed me this.
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And he unfolds, starting
with chapter 10, what's going on
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here?
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>>DAVID: And we, just a
question, for James, actually,
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just a yes or no
answer, I'm just curious.
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So, it says there in
Revelation, I'll come right
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back to your question, Ty, I'm
just very curious about this.
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It says there, and you had
us read Revelation 8:5, when the
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incense is thrown, there are
thundering's, lightning's, and
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an earthquake, and it got
me thinking about this text in
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Acts, maybe you've made
this connection before, but the
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Holy Spirit's been poured
out, the gospel's going with
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power...
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>>JAMES: And
the earth is shaken.
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>>DAVID: Yeah, Acts 4:31,
when they had prayed, the place
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where they were assembled
together was shaken and they
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were all filled with the Holy
Spirit and they spoke the word
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of God with boldness.
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>>JAMES: Voices,
thundering's, lightning's, yeah.
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>>DAVID: Yeah, that's not
just saying, oh, and by the way,
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there was seismic activity.
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That's saying, something
that's happening in heaven is
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reverberating.
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>>JAMES: All of the power
that's around the throne in
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Revelation 4 is now
coming down to planet earth.
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>>DAVID: Wow.
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>>JAMES: All of that power
that's around the throne is
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now coming.
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See, it settled there and
now, we've gotta settle it down
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here.
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>>DAVID: Okay, so, then,
here's the second thing that I
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wanna sort of put to you.
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When we, by the time we get
to Revelation chapter 10, we've
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traversed over the seals,
same ground, as Ty's made clear,
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over the trumpets, same
ground, which Ty's made clear.
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That's not easy stuff.
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Like, you know it pretty well.
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>>JAMES: It's challenging.
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>>DAVID: Okay, so, just so
we're conceding that to our
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people, it's not like, anybody
can just open up the book of
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Revelation and oh,
it's just a piece of cake.
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I mean, there is some stuff...
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>>JAMES: Revelation 8, 9,
and even through 11 is probably
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the hardest part of
Revelation, the seven trumpets
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are the hardest
part of Revelation.
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Well, Daniel 11 has
been, they're vying for it.
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>>DAVID: So, one other thing
that I wanna say here is we
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see this, when we get to
Revelation chapter 10 verse 1,
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for example, we're beginning
this parenthetical statement,
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I saw.
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And we've made this
point again and again, that you
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know, I think it's some
45 times John says, I saw and
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another 25 times or
whatever, he says, I heard.
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So, the picture that I have in
my mind here is almost like an
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IMAX film.
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You ever been to an IMAX,
you know, where you sit in the
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theater and it surrounds
you and it's, you know, even
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sometimes, the chairs shake.
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What God showed John was
this surround sound movie like
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thing, and then, he's sitting
down and describing it to us,
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so because of that, the
book of Revelation is not like
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Matthew, Mark, Luke,
John, which you can just read.
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You can just read, Jesus
walked here, he went here, he
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did this.
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>>JAMES: ...and then all the
way through the end of Christ.
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No, it's not like that.
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>>DAVID: The book of, and
not just only in the chronology,
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the book of Revelation
demands interpretation.
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>>TY: Oh, absolutely.
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>>DAVID: It just
has to be interpreted.
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You can't leisurely read this
and say, oh, yeah, there was a
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dragon with seven heads,
that's not what's happening.
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>>TY: Because there wasn't.
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>>DAVID: Right.
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>>TY: It doesn't mean what
it says, it means what it means.
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>>DAVID: I just was gonna
say that, I just read this great
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quotation where it says,
the book of Revelation does not
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mean what it says, it means
what it means, and so, we're
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being exposed to
John's recollections, or his
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writings, about this movie,
or movies that he saw, yeah?
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>>TY: Yeah,
because it's symbolic.
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The book is filled with
symbols that don't, the images
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he sees don't
exist in real life.
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It's just symbols in his vision.
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>>JAMES: He takes a
picture, then, he takes another
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picture, and another
picture, and says, look at these
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images.
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Here's the first one I saw,
after that, look what else I
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saw.
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>>DAVID: And then I heard this.
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>>JAMES: Oh, and look what
else I saw, and he just keeps
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showing us in the book,
he keeps showing us all these
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images that he sees and
we gotta put it all together.
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>>DAVID: The thing that I
love about, even this first
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session, that's super helpful
to me, is that this thing is
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happening in heaven,
Revelation 4 and 5, and that
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enthronement, that
celebration, that worthy,
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worthy, is now like, it's
like having reverberations,
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resonance, on earth
with the apostolic church.
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>>TY: Powerful.
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>>DAVID: But then, the wheels
come off, which we saw in the
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churches, it goes, well,
and then, mmm, do we see that in
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the seals as well?
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Like, mmm, and you come
back up, and then trumpets, mmm,
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okay.
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>>JAMES: That's what those
horses are doing, those horses
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are impacting, impacting, the
white horse and then, they're
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impacting, trying to
bring compromise, persecution,
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trying to bring down the
gospel, compromise the gospel.
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>>DAVID: Except for that first
horse is the white, the one
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good.
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>>JAMES: Yes, that white horse.
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>>DAVID: Okay, that was, for
me, as much as anything, maybe
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our viewers probably
benefitted from that as well.
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So, now, we're in the
parenthetical statement that
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is Revelation 10 and 11.
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The interlude.
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>>TY: But before we jump right
into that, since that's a good
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place to pause, with all those
clarifications and we're kind
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of primed now to actually dig
into chapters 10 and 11, this
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would be a good time to
take our break, then we'll come
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right back and we'll
launch into chapters 10 and 11.
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>>TY: James, you know
this material in Revelation,
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especially the seals and
the trumpets, so well, that you
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can just explain it like,
yeah, and so, I felt the need
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to recapitulate and say, well,
wait a minute, it's kinda like
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you're on the phone with
somebody getting service for a
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flight or something,
what's your phone number?
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And you rattle off your phone
number real fast and they say,
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wait a minute, back up.
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Or your credit card number
or something like that, you know
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it, but they're unfamiliar
with it, and so, that's what
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necessitates backing up and
I think that's really embedded
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in the text.
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>>JEFFREY: I was just about
to say, that's what God is doing
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with us.
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He can, but we're so slow,
that's why he has to parallel,
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the three parallel cycles.
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>>TY: So, God is doing the
same thing, he's slowing down
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for us and saying, hey, let
me say my number slow and clear
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so that you can get
what I'm talking about.
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>>JAMES: But you know what's
really interesting about this?
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Just to get a
little bit more on this.
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That's how the entire bible
is written, from Genesis to
00:20:05.17\00:20:08.20
Revelation.
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So, when you start in
Genesis 1, you have the creation
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story, which, Genesis 2 is
a repeat and an enlargement of
00:20:10.77\00:20:12.71
the Genesis story.
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When you look at Exodus,
the beginning of the law of God,
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and then, you go to Leviticus,
Deuteronomy, Numbers, it's all
00:20:17.38\00:20:19.68
repeating.
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>>TY: It's all
repeat and enlarge.
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>>JAMES: Yeah, and then you
go to the New Testament, what do
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you start the
New Testament with?
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Matthew.
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What's that about?
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What comes next?
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Mark.
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What's that about.
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>>DAVID: Luke, John, yeah.
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>>JAMES: Yeah, so.
00:20:29.62\00:20:30.89
>>JEFFREY: We
needed it really repeated.
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>>TY: It's not
complimentary to us.
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>>JAMES: Four times.
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>>TY: For it to be
repeated over and over.
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Okay, so we've
come to chapter 10 now.
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This chapter is super
significant and the language
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is important and we can unpack
it but, I think it would be
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good to read the chapter
through, just all 11 verses.
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David, could you just.
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Yeah, just read the whole
chapter through and let's just
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listen, underline, circle,
and back up and find out what
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we're encountering now.
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>>DAVID: I'll read through
it pretty quick 'cause we all
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have our bibles in front of us.
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I saw still another mighty
angel coming down from heaven,
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enclothed with a cloud, and
a rainbow was on his head and
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his face was like the sun and
his feet like pillars of fire.
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He had a little book open in
his hand and he set his right
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foot on the sea and his left
foot on the land and he cried
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with a loud voice,
as when a lion roars.
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When he cried out, seven
thunders uttered their voices.
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Now, when the seven thunders
uttered their voices, I was
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about to write, but I heard
a voice from heaven saying to
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me, seal up the things which
the seven thunders uttered,
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and do not write them.
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The angel whom I saw standing
on the sea and on the land
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raised up his hand to heaven
and swore by Him who lives
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forever and ever, who created
heaven and the things that are
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in it, the earth and the
things that are in it, and the
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sea and the things that are in
it, that there should be delay
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no longer, but in the days
of the sounding of the seventh
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angel, when he is about
to sound, the mystery of God
00:21:45.57\00:21:48.00
would be finished, as he
declared to his servants the
00:21:48.00\00:21:50.41
prophets.
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Then the voice which I heard
from heaven spoke to me again
00:21:51.61\00:21:53.84
and said, go, take the little
book which is open in the hand
00:21:53.84\00:21:57.01
of the angel who stands
on the sea and on the earth.
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So I went to the angel
and said to him, give me the
00:21:59.45\00:22:01.72
little book.
00:22:01.72\00:22:02.92
And he said to me, take and
eat it, and it will make your
00:22:02.92\00:22:04.72
stomach bitter, but it will
be as sweet as honey in your
00:22:04.72\00:22:06.72
mouth.
00:22:06.72\00:22:07.89
Then I took the little
book out of the angel's hand and
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ate it, and it was as
sweet as honey in my mouth.
00:22:09.72\00:22:11.93
But when I had eaten it,
my stomach became bitter.
00:22:11.93\00:22:13.93
And he said to me, you
must prophesy again about many
00:22:13.93\00:22:17.33
peoples, nations,
tongues, and kings.
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>>TY: Okay, so this is quite
a vision that John has here.
00:22:20.10\00:22:25.17
And I think it's important
for us to acknowledge the fact
00:22:25.17\00:22:29.04
that, again, as is the
case over and over again in
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Revelation, John has his
source material in the Old
00:22:31.31\00:22:36.08
Testament.
00:22:36.08\00:22:37.29
He is drawing upon passages
that have been written before
00:22:37.29\00:22:42.89
that he's obviously familiar
with and where he's quoting
00:22:42.89\00:22:45.63
from is the book of Daniel.
00:22:45.63\00:22:46.96
What you have here is you have
John encountering a glorious
00:22:46.96\00:22:53.37
being, with one foot on the
sea, one foot on the land, the
00:22:53.37\00:22:57.31
glorious being has a book in
his hand that is sealed and he
00:22:57.31\00:23:01.28
hands it to John and he tells
John, eat it, and it's going
00:23:01.28\00:23:05.78
to be sweet in your
mouth, bitter in your belly.
00:23:05.78\00:23:08.32
So, what's going on here?
00:23:08.32\00:23:11.22
What is the Daniel allusion,
because I think, personally, I
00:23:11.22\00:23:15.22
don't know if you've spent
any time with this, but I went
00:23:15.22\00:23:19.33
back and forth, actually,
comparing the language, and
00:23:19.33\00:23:22.53
it's the same being that is
encountered in both instances,
00:23:22.53\00:23:28.04
but there are differences.
00:23:28.04\00:23:29.84
The main difference is
that the being that Daniel
00:23:29.84\00:23:33.38
encounters, that being tells
him the book, the prophecies
00:23:33.38\00:23:39.05
which you just received, which
is equivalent to the book, is
00:23:39.05\00:23:41.55
sealed.
00:23:41.55\00:23:42.68
The difference is...
00:23:42.68\00:23:43.92
>>DAVID: This is Daniel 12.
00:23:43.92\00:23:44.99
>>TY: Yeah, the difference
is, when you come to the
00:23:44.99\00:23:46.39
Revelation vision that
John receives, the book is now
00:23:46.39\00:23:49.29
unsealed, it's open, it's
in his hand, open, and he tells
00:23:49.29\00:23:53.40
John to eat it, to take in and
to process the content of the
00:23:53.40\00:23:58.13
book and the brilliant thing
about making that comparison,
00:23:58.13\00:24:00.94
and I'm giving the short
version, I hope we can flesh
00:24:00.94\00:24:03.04
it out, but the brilliant
thing about noticing that
00:24:03.04\00:24:06.07
comparison is that the book,
in chapter 10, that John eats
00:24:06.07\00:24:12.95
and processes is, in
fact, the book of Daniel.
00:24:12.95\00:24:16.08
It is, in fact, the prophecies
of the book of Daniel that
00:24:16.08\00:24:19.82
were sealed to human
understanding for the time of
00:24:19.82\00:24:22.86
the end.
00:24:22.86\00:24:24.09
>>JAMES: Which, by the way, is
verified by the fact that when
00:24:24.09\00:24:25.66
the seven thunders are heard
by John, that come out of the
00:24:25.66\00:24:29.53
book and he starts to write,
the voice says, don't write
00:24:29.53\00:24:31.73
them.
00:24:31.73\00:24:32.73
Well, why not?
00:24:32.73\00:24:33.74
Well, 'cause
they're already written.
00:24:33.74\00:24:35.74
>>TY: In Daniel.
00:24:35.74\00:24:37.11
>>JAMES: What you need to do
is you need to go and eat the
00:24:37.11\00:24:38.24
book.
00:24:38.24\00:24:39.41
They've already been written
out, you don't need to write
00:24:39.41\00:24:40.54
them out again, you need
to eat, you need to actually
00:24:40.54\00:24:43.71
assimilate what's already
been written, because Daniel
00:24:43.71\00:24:45.71
didn't.
00:24:45.71\00:24:46.85
Daniel couldn't get it, he
couldn't understand it, and
00:24:46.85\00:24:48.45
so, that's why the
certain man, the glorious being,
00:24:48.45\00:24:51.25
actually told Daniel, listen,
your prophecies are gonna be
00:24:51.25\00:24:53.62
sealed for a time, a time,
and half of a time, but in the
00:24:53.62\00:24:55.46
end, you're gonna stand
in your lot and your book is
00:24:55.46\00:24:57.46
gonna be understood.
00:24:57.46\00:24:58.66
It's gonna be understood by
people who don't write it out
00:24:58.66\00:25:00.46
again, doesn't need to be
written again, but by people
00:25:00.46\00:25:02.43
who go and take your book, by
words that were found, and eat
00:25:02.43\00:25:04.93
them.
00:25:04.93\00:25:06.07
>>JEFFREY: So, Revelation
10 is pointing to a period in
00:25:06.07\00:25:07.94
history where something, some
development would take place
00:25:07.94\00:25:11.07
in an understanding
of the words of Daniel.
00:25:11.07\00:25:14.58
>>DAVID: And we should say
that the reason Daniel doesn't
00:25:14.58\00:25:17.65
understand it is not that he's
imbecile or dumb, it's because
00:25:17.65\00:25:21.38
he lacked the historical scope.
00:25:21.38\00:25:22.75
>>JEFFREY: Of the
nature of the words themselves.
00:25:22.75\00:25:25.19
>>DAVID: 'Cause he's
describing the events that
00:25:25.19\00:25:27.19
will take place, like John,
after him, the events being
00:25:27.19\00:25:30.79
described here, with
historical perspective looking
00:25:30.79\00:25:33.46
back, maybe that's
where you were going.
00:25:33.46\00:25:34.83
>>JEFFREY: So, they were
sealed because they haven't
00:25:34.83\00:25:36.36
happened yet.
00:25:36.36\00:25:37.17
>>DAVID: They
haven't happened yet.
00:25:37.17\00:25:38.13
>>JEFFREY: The words
have not been fulfilled.
00:25:38.13\00:25:38.80
Should we read from Daniel 12?
00:25:38.80\00:25:39.83
I think we should.
00:25:39.83\00:25:41.04
>>TY: I was giving the brief
overview, hoping that we would
00:25:41.04\00:25:42.87
go back and actually
look at the passages.
00:25:42.87\00:25:45.24
>>JEFFREY: Can I jump
into the fourth verse?
00:25:45.24\00:25:48.08
Daniel chapter 12 and verse
4, but you, Daniel, shut up the
00:25:48.08\00:25:52.95
words, seal the book
until the time of the end.
00:25:52.95\00:25:57.32
Many shall run to and fro and
knowledge shall increase, and
00:25:57.32\00:26:01.19
I think that's the relation
we were just pointing to.
00:26:01.19\00:26:03.43
Seal up the book
until the time of the end.
00:26:03.43\00:26:07.46
In other words, what seals
the book is this frame of time,
00:26:07.46\00:26:13.03
it's time.
00:26:13.03\00:26:14.20
It needs to be fulfilled in
order for those things to be
00:26:14.20\00:26:16.87
opened.
00:26:16.87\00:26:18.27
>>DAVID: But by the time we
get to the book of Revelation,
00:26:18.27\00:26:19.47
looking back, the events that
are described here, it's now
00:26:19.47\00:26:21.98
history.
00:26:21.98\00:26:23.08
>>TY: It's like, I can't
tell you what's on this page
00:26:23.08\00:26:26.55
because the page
hasn't been written yet.
00:26:26.55\00:26:28.98
>>JEFFREY: That's it.
00:26:28.98\00:26:30.05
>>JAMES: But the ink of
history is dry, as they say.
00:26:30.05\00:26:32.05
>>TY: Yeah, so, so, what
does it mean here in verse 4,
00:26:32.05\00:26:37.53
Jeffrey, when it says,
many shall run to and fro and
00:26:37.53\00:26:40.90
knowledge shall be increased?
00:26:40.90\00:26:42.06
Isn't that essentially, I
mean, in the context, it's
00:26:42.06\00:26:45.87
telling us that the running
to and fro and the increase of
00:26:45.87\00:26:49.07
knowledge is going to be
regarding the prophecies of
00:26:49.07\00:26:53.41
Daniel that were closed.
00:26:53.41\00:26:55.18
>>JEFFREY: I think so because,
in verse 10, there's another
00:26:55.18\00:26:58.18
emphasis, whatever is
unfolding, some will not
00:26:58.18\00:27:03.25
understand,
some will understand.
00:27:03.25\00:27:05.25
>>TY: So,
understanding is the issue.
00:27:05.25\00:27:06.72
>>JEFFREY: I think
understanding certain things
00:27:06.72\00:27:08.76
that pertain to the book
of Daniel and that are in the
00:27:08.76\00:27:12.23
context of time and the
fulfillment of time, that's
00:27:12.23\00:27:16.13
what it's talking about.
00:27:16.13\00:27:17.53
>>TY: Daniel
himself didn't understand.
00:27:17.53\00:27:18.83
>>JEFFREY: Right.
00:27:18.83\00:27:20.00
>>TY: He was in, just meltdown
over the fact that you've
00:27:20.00\00:27:24.14
revealed all these
things to me in chapters, mainly
00:27:24.14\00:27:28.54
chapters 7 and 8, and
chapter 9, he said, I didn't
00:27:28.54\00:27:32.48
understand it and the angel
Gabriel basically came to him
00:27:32.48\00:27:36.45
with the bad news that, you're
not gonna understand it, it's
00:27:36.45\00:27:39.59
closed to your understanding,
you don't live in that period
00:27:39.59\00:27:42.36
of time that this pertains to.
00:27:42.36\00:27:44.46
It's for the time of the end,
but when that time comes, many
00:27:44.46\00:27:49.73
will run to and fro would
be equivalent to eat the little
00:27:49.73\00:27:53.60
book in Revelation.
00:27:53.60\00:27:56.00
Running to and fro, for, a
Hebrew audience, conjures up
00:27:56.00\00:28:00.98
the image, 'cause they
didn't have books where you turn
00:28:00.98\00:28:03.45
pages, they had scrolls
that you unroll on tables and
00:28:03.45\00:28:06.61
you're running back and
forth, comparing scripture to
00:28:06.61\00:28:09.95
scripture to understand,
you're running to and fro and
00:28:09.95\00:28:13.62
your knowledge of the
prophecies is increasing.
00:28:13.62\00:28:16.83
>>JEFFREY: Yeah, go ahead.
00:28:16.83\00:28:18.03
>>JAMES: I was just gonna
say, which is incredible because
00:28:18.03\00:28:19.43
Daniel is set up in Ezekiel
28 as one of the wisest, you
00:28:19.43\00:28:23.53
know, are you wiser than Daniel?
00:28:23.53\00:28:25.93
I mean, Daniel was wise.
00:28:25.93\00:28:27.14
And it tells us that prophecy
isn't about how much wisdom
00:28:27.14\00:28:29.20
you have, prophecy is about
this connection with God...
00:28:29.20\00:28:33.48
>>JEFFREY: What
God has revealed.
00:28:33.48\00:28:34.68
>>JAMES: Yeah, understanding
and living in a time when that
00:28:34.68\00:28:36.71
thing is revealed, because
even in Daniel 12, the certain
00:28:36.71\00:28:39.75
man stands on the rivers of
the water and on the land, but
00:28:39.75\00:28:44.02
in Revelation 10, he stands
on the earth and on the sea.
00:28:44.02\00:28:47.69
>>TY: It's global.
00:28:47.69\00:28:48.52
>>JAMES: It's a
global, so God is...
00:28:48.52\00:28:49.79
>>TY: Wait, repeat
that, what, the comparison?
00:28:49.79\00:28:52.73
>>JAMES: In Daniel chapter 12,
this certain man is standing,
00:28:52.73\00:28:56.16
it says here, verse 5,
this heavenly being is standing,
00:28:56.16\00:29:00.27
he's called a certain
man, but this heavenly being is
00:29:00.27\00:29:02.40
standing on the river, one
side of the river of the bank
00:29:02.40\00:29:04.67
and the other side of
the river of the bank.
00:29:04.67\00:29:06.24
But when you get to
Revelation chapter...
00:29:06.24\00:29:07.64
>>DAVID: That's local.
00:29:07.64\00:29:08.64
>>JAMES: That's
local, that's limited.
00:29:08.64\00:29:09.94
But when you get to Revelation
10, he has one foot on the
00:29:09.94\00:29:13.52
land and the
other foot on the sea.
00:29:13.52\00:29:15.45
>>TY: The whole world.
00:29:15.45\00:29:16.35
>>JAMES: That's global.
00:29:16.35\00:29:17.29
It's global.
00:29:17.29\00:29:18.35
>>JEFFREY: So, the book
that was open in his hand in
00:29:18.35\00:29:21.59
Revelation 10:2 is the same
book that was sealed in Daniel
00:29:21.59\00:29:24.86
chapter 12, and so, therefore,
we would just conclude that if
00:29:24.86\00:29:28.63
it's now open, then the
events taking place in the 10th
00:29:28.63\00:29:32.33
chapter of Revelation are
the events predicted, related to
00:29:32.33\00:29:36.04
the...
00:29:36.04\00:29:37.17
>>JAMES: One more thing,
one more thing, no more delay.
00:29:37.17\00:29:40.24
So, Daniel wants to know,
no, it's delayed, it's delayed,
00:29:40.24\00:29:43.45
this time's gonna, so you come
here, there's no more delay,
00:29:43.45\00:29:46.05
there's no more time now that
your book is gonna be sealed.
00:29:46.05\00:29:49.08
You don't have to wait anymore.
00:29:49.08\00:29:50.25
>>DAVID: Your
number has come up.
00:29:50.25\00:29:51.45
>>TY: So, let's identify the
exact prophecy that was closed
00:29:51.45\00:29:54.99
to Daniel's understanding
that was opened at the end time
00:29:54.99\00:30:00.40
segment of history, symbolized
by John eating the little
00:30:00.40\00:30:02.90
book.
00:30:02.90\00:30:03.73
So, see if you
guys agree with this.
00:30:03.73\00:30:05.60
We're kind of working
backwards here, again, to
00:30:05.60\00:30:08.14
achieve clarity for those
who are sitting with us in this
00:30:08.14\00:30:11.67
discussion.
00:30:11.67\00:30:13.07
We began in Revelation 10
and we read about John having an
00:30:13.07\00:30:18.11
experience, and then, we
identified the language as
00:30:18.11\00:30:21.45
coming from the book of
Daniel, and we've said, in
00:30:21.45\00:30:25.32
chapter 12 of Daniel, Daniel
is told, your book is shut up,
00:30:25.32\00:30:30.13
it's sealed, but it will be
opened in the time of the end.
00:30:30.13\00:30:32.83
We're in Daniel 12 now, so,
now we're going back further,
00:30:32.83\00:30:35.53
we're rewinding.
00:30:35.53\00:30:36.73
We're saying, okay, Daniel,
in chapter 12 and verse 4, what
00:30:36.73\00:30:39.87
is it that was sealed?
00:30:39.87\00:30:43.07
What did Daniel not understand
and that's back in chapter 8,
00:30:43.07\00:30:46.34
isn't it?
00:30:46.34\00:30:47.54
>>JEFFREY: I think that we're
retracing, but it's natural
00:30:47.54\00:30:49.71
because it's
based on the key word.
00:30:49.71\00:30:51.68
So, in chapter 12, it says,
seal up this vision, seal up
00:30:51.68\00:30:55.32
these words, but in
Daniel 8 and verse 26, there's
00:30:55.32\00:31:00.29
reference to a vision
in regard to evenings and
00:31:00.29\00:31:04.76
mornings, a time frame,
it says, seal up the vision
00:31:04.76\00:31:09.86
because it refers to
many days in the future.
00:31:09.86\00:31:12.47
The language...
00:31:12.47\00:31:13.64
>>TY: So, then,
we're working backwards.
00:31:13.64\00:31:14.87
>>JEFFREY: So, the language is
almost exact, verbatim to what
00:31:14.87\00:31:18.17
we read in chapter 12.
00:31:18.17\00:31:19.77
>>TY: Yeah, 12:4 traces back
to 8:26 and 8:26 traces back
00:31:19.77\00:31:24.31
to 8:14.
00:31:24.31\00:31:27.02
>>DAVID: 8:13 and 14.
00:31:27.02\00:31:28.15
Because 8:14, this goes
back to how we began our whole
00:31:28.15\00:31:31.42
study of Revelation, which
is that two word question that's
00:31:31.42\00:31:34.42
pregnant with pathos
and frustration, even, and
00:31:34.42\00:31:38.29
incredulity.
00:31:38.29\00:31:40.13
How long?
00:31:40.13\00:31:41.46
How long?
00:31:41.46\00:31:43.10
There's this rampaging,
anti-Christian power that's
00:31:43.10\00:31:47.70
having its way with God,
with his people, with his truth,
00:31:47.70\00:31:50.61
with his sanctuary,
and it's like, how long?
00:31:50.61\00:31:54.81
>>TY: Take us there, David.
00:31:54.81\00:31:55.98
Those are the verses that
we've traced back, we've come
00:31:55.98\00:31:59.85
from, just to make it
clear again, we've come from
00:31:59.85\00:32:03.62
Revelation 10, which we traced
back, the language, to Daniel
00:32:03.62\00:32:09.72
12, verse 4, which refers back
to chapter 8, verse 26, which
00:32:09.72\00:32:15.33
refers back to
chapter 8, verse 14.
00:32:15.33\00:32:17.70
So...
00:32:17.70\00:32:19.60
>>JAMES: And the same
characters are mentioned in 13
00:32:19.60\00:32:21.60
and 14, are
mentioned in Revelation 12.
00:32:21.60\00:32:23.94
The certain man, and the
two, one asking the other.
00:32:23.94\00:32:26.57
>>DAVID: Yeah.
00:32:26.57\00:32:27.78
So, the question is, Daniel
overhears this conversation, I
00:32:27.78\00:32:30.55
heard a certain one speaking
to the other, how long, verse
00:32:30.55\00:32:36.08
13, will the vision
be, concerning the daily
00:32:36.08\00:32:38.15
sacrifices and the
transgression of desolation to
00:32:38.15\00:32:40.46
give both the sanctuary
and the host, that is to say,
00:32:40.46\00:32:44.56
God's people, to
be trampled underfoot.
00:32:44.56\00:32:47.00
That doesn't sound good at all.
00:32:47.00\00:32:48.66
>>TY: So, there's
persecution going on.
00:32:48.66\00:32:50.23
>>DAVID: Persecution, there's
a war being waged against
00:32:50.23\00:32:52.33
truth, against God,
against the sanctuary.
00:32:52.33\00:32:54.40
Then, the answer is, and
he said to me, verse 14, unto
00:32:54.40\00:32:59.11
2,300 days, then the
sanctuary will be cleansed.
00:32:59.11\00:33:02.54
>>TY: This is incredible.
00:33:02.54\00:33:03.61
>>DAVID: It's really incredible.
00:33:03.61\00:33:04.98
That's a long period of time,
which is why he says, in verse
00:33:04.98\00:33:06.82
26, hey, this is
for the distant future.
00:33:06.82\00:33:10.02
2300 literal days is like,
what, 7 years or something, 8
00:33:10.02\00:33:12.79
years.
00:33:12.79\00:33:14.12
But 2300 days as years,
because this is prophecy and
00:33:14.12\00:33:18.59
we find in this scatological
or end time prophecy, a day is
00:33:18.59\00:33:22.36
a year.
00:33:22.36\00:33:23.53
Well, that's a very long time.
00:33:23.53\00:33:25.60
That's two millennia and then
some which, guess what, brings
00:33:25.60\00:33:28.94
us down to a period in
Revelation 10 where the
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prophecies of Daniel were
being studied, they were being
00:33:32.57\00:33:34.78
studied vigorously, running
to and fro, a period, an actual
00:33:34.78\00:33:37.41
period in earth's
history that was built around an
00:33:37.41\00:33:40.52
understanding of this prophecy.
00:33:40.52\00:33:43.02
>>JAMES: And that
lines up with seven churches.
00:33:43.02\00:33:44.65
It lines up perfectly
with the seven churches.
00:33:44.65\00:33:45.89
It lines up with the
church of Philadelphia.
00:33:45.89\00:33:47.16
So, again, we're
confirming that prophetic cycle.
00:33:47.16\00:33:49.16
>>TY: But it's grounded in
actual historic events that
00:33:49.16\00:33:52.46
happened right here in
the United States of America,
00:33:52.46\00:33:56.13
there was an actual
awakening of spiritual interest.
00:33:56.13\00:34:00.57
Sometimes, ministry referred
to in the history books.
00:34:00.57\00:34:03.30
I mean, you can
look it up on Wikipedia.
00:34:03.30\00:34:05.77
I mean, this is just history
unfolded where there was an
00:34:05.77\00:34:10.48
awakening of worldwide
interest, specifically in the
00:34:10.48\00:34:16.15
book of Daniel.
00:34:16.15\00:34:17.05
Just think of that.
00:34:17.05\00:34:17.99
Think about, think
about it moving forward.
00:34:17.99\00:34:21.39
Daniel receives a vision
about a 2300 day prophecy.
00:34:21.39\00:34:24.86
The angel tells him, Daniel,
it's not for your time, it's
00:34:24.86\00:34:27.50
sealed up, you'll
never understand it in your
00:34:27.50\00:34:28.93
lifetime.
00:34:28.93\00:34:30.00
This is for many days in
the future, the end of time.
00:34:30.00\00:34:32.20
Many will run to and fro
studying the scriptures and
00:34:32.20\00:34:36.40
they're gonna understand
it, chapter 12, verse 4.
00:34:36.40\00:34:39.04
Come to Revelation chapter
10, and John is told, eat the
00:34:39.04\00:34:44.31
little book, it's gonna be
sweet in your mouth, bitter in
00:34:44.31\00:34:46.61
your belly, and in real
time history, that actually
00:34:46.61\00:34:51.29
happened.
00:34:51.29\00:34:52.35
There was a revival of
interest where people began,
00:34:52.35\00:34:57.43
globally, to study the book of
Daniel, specifically chapter 8
00:34:57.43\00:35:02.13
to figure out the meaning
of this 2300 day prophecy.
00:35:02.13\00:35:05.63
>>JAMES: And the
sanctuary and the cleansing.
00:35:05.63\00:35:07.64
>>TY: So, what happened in
that awakening is, they began
00:35:07.64\00:35:13.01
to understand, first of
all, just what David pointed out
00:35:13.01\00:35:16.91
that, wait a minute, this
couldn't be day for day, 2300
00:35:16.91\00:35:20.05
days, it couldn't be, because
in fact, if you do the math,
00:35:20.05\00:35:23.39
the angel specifically
told Daniel, Daniel, you're not
00:35:23.39\00:35:26.42
gonna understand it in your
lifetime, but from chapter 8
00:35:26.42\00:35:29.92
to chapter 12, more than 7
years has gone by in Daniel's
00:35:29.92\00:35:32.93
experience, and he
never understood it.
00:35:32.93\00:35:34.93
He died not
understanding his own prophecy.
00:35:34.93\00:35:38.17
So, it's not day for day,
it's day for year, and it's 2300
00:35:38.17\00:35:42.64
years into the future.
00:35:42.64\00:35:45.21
So, what is that period
of time and how does it break
00:35:45.21\00:35:50.41
down?
00:35:50.41\00:35:51.58
What is the beginning point,
what is the ending point of
00:35:51.58\00:35:55.35
this large swath of history?
00:35:55.35\00:35:57.59
Is there somebody who has it
in them to break down exactly,
00:35:57.59\00:36:03.16
well, actually, you
know what we should do?
00:36:03.16\00:36:05.16
We should take our break
because we're gonna have to
00:36:05.16\00:36:07.40
really do some work here,
we're gonna have to do some
00:36:07.40\00:36:10.13
serious bible study.
00:36:10.13\00:36:11.13
>>JAMES: Easy
peasy lemon squeezey.
00:36:11.13\00:36:13.13
>>TY: Well, you
can't do it in 36 seconds.
00:36:13.13\00:36:15.34
>>JAMES: That's true.
00:36:15.34\00:36:16.34
>>TY: So, let's take our break.
00:36:16.34\00:36:17.61
>>DAVID: Not even James
can do it in 36 seconds.
00:36:17.61\00:36:19.61
>>TY: Let's take our break and
when we come back, we're going
00:36:19.61\00:36:22.44
to, we're gonna devote
our time to understanding this
00:36:22.44\00:36:25.25
2300 year period of time, when
it starts, when it ends, and
00:36:25.25\00:36:31.19
realize where we are in history.
00:36:31.19\00:36:33.76
>>JAMES: Amen.
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>>TY: Okay, now, we're going
to dive into one of the most
00:37:34.78\00:37:37.55
difficult parts of scripture,
but I think that we've set
00:37:37.55\00:37:42.02
ourselves up to understand
this difficult and amazing
00:37:42.02\00:37:44.89
passage.
00:37:44.89\00:37:46.09
It's Daniel 8:14, unto 2,300
days, then shall the sanctuary
00:37:46.09\00:37:50.43
be cleansed.
00:37:50.43\00:37:51.50
Now, I just wanna pause
because we went by very fast
00:37:51.50\00:37:55.84
and said that a
day equals a year.
00:37:55.84\00:37:58.47
We need to point out the fact
that Daniel and Revelation are
00:37:58.47\00:38:02.01
highly symbolic books, and
because they're symbolic, it
00:38:02.01\00:38:05.15
shouldn't come as a surprise
to us that a day equals a year
00:38:05.15\00:38:09.15
in bible prophecy.
00:38:09.15\00:38:10.29
There are actual verses
that just straight up say a day
00:38:10.29\00:38:13.46
equals a year.
00:38:13.46\00:38:14.56
>>JAMES: Ezekiel
4:6, Numbers 14:34.
00:38:14.56\00:38:17.39
>>TY: Those two verses
just straight out tell us, a day
00:38:17.39\00:38:20.00
equals a year in prophecy.
00:38:20.00\00:38:21.96
Not all prophecy, but we
know that this is one of the
00:38:21.96\00:38:24.80
instances where a day
equals a year because the angel
00:38:24.80\00:38:28.37
specifically tells Daniel,
your prophecy is for the end
00:38:28.37\00:38:34.14
of time.
00:38:34.14\00:38:35.48
So, we know that it's a
day for a year because it's
00:38:35.48\00:38:36.48
extending all the way out.
00:38:36.48\00:38:37.91
>>JEFFREY: And unless the
end of time took place 7 or 8
00:38:37.91\00:38:39.31
years after Daniel.
00:38:39.31\00:38:40.55
>>TY: That's
right, that's the point.
00:38:40.55\00:38:42.05
That's the point.
00:38:42.05\00:38:43.18
Okay, so Daniel 8:14, he's
told, Daniel is told, well,
00:38:43.18\00:38:47.72
let's just back up.
00:38:47.72\00:38:48.82
There's a conversation
between two angels in 13 and 14.
00:38:48.82\00:38:52.16
>>DAVID: And anti-Christian
powers waging war against God,
00:38:52.16\00:38:55.50
his sanctuary, truth,
his Messiah, how long?
00:38:55.50\00:38:58.57
>>TY: An angel
is asking, how long?
00:38:58.57\00:39:00.57
And another angle answers and
says, well, I'll tell you how
00:39:00.57\00:39:02.57
long.
00:39:02.57\00:39:03.67
It's gonna extend all the
way down 2300 years into the
00:39:03.67\00:39:06.74
future from some starting
date to some ending date.
00:39:06.74\00:39:10.65
Then, the thing kinda goes dark.
00:39:10.65\00:39:13.01
Daniel's freaked out, he
doesn't understand what's
00:39:13.01\00:39:15.48
being told him.
00:39:15.48\00:39:16.92
There are reasons for
that that we've pointed out,
00:39:16.92\00:39:18.95
because it doesn't
pertain to his time.
00:39:18.95\00:39:20.49
But he's still, he didn't
have the historical perspective.
00:39:20.49\00:39:22.59
He wanted to understand it.
00:39:22.59\00:39:24.19
He goes into this prayer
for his own people because he's
00:39:24.19\00:39:28.83
interceding on behalf of Israel.
00:39:28.83\00:39:31.57
He's a captive slave in
Babylon and he wants so badly
00:39:31.57\00:39:36.34
for what the angel is showing
him to pertain to him and his
00:39:36.34\00:39:39.47
people right now.
00:39:39.47\00:39:40.91
But it doesn't.
00:39:40.91\00:39:42.24
And so, after his prayer,
this is fascinating, the angel
00:39:42.24\00:39:45.85
returns and says, okay,
Daniel, now, now, I've come to
00:39:45.85\00:39:52.29
break this down for you.
00:39:52.29\00:39:53.96
This is in chapter 9, starting
with verse, where would you
00:39:53.96\00:39:59.89
guys start?
00:39:59.89\00:40:00.96
The man Gabriel comes to
him in chapter 9, verse 21.
00:40:00.96\00:40:04.63
And then, in
chapter 9, verse 23.
00:40:04.63\00:40:08.14
>>DAVID: At the
beginning of your prayer.
00:40:08.14\00:40:09.87
>>TY: At the beginning of your
prayer and supplication, the
00:40:09.87\00:40:12.51
command went out and I have
now come, I have come to tell
00:40:12.51\00:40:17.28
you, for you
are greatly beloved.
00:40:17.28\00:40:20.92
Therefore, consider the matter
and understand the vision.
00:40:20.92\00:40:24.89
The vision that Gabriel the
angel has now come to explain
00:40:24.89\00:40:29.72
to Daniel, very clearly,
is the vision of chapter 8,
00:40:29.72\00:40:34.13
specifically, verse 14.
00:40:34.13\00:40:35.60
So, there are two reasons
why we know this, because it is
00:40:35.60\00:40:38.90
the immediately
antecedent vision.
00:40:38.90\00:40:42.10
There's a second reason
we know that that's what he's
00:40:42.10\00:40:44.11
come to explain, because what
he breaks down from verse 24
00:40:44.11\00:40:48.61
onward has to do with time,
the breaking down of time and
00:40:48.61\00:40:53.82
the only time element previous
to this point is Daniel 8:14.
00:40:53.82\00:40:59.65
>>DAVID: That was
unexplained, or not understood.
00:40:59.65\00:41:02.89
>>JEFFREY: And the third
reason is because, in verse
00:41:02.89\00:41:04.96
24, when he begins, he uses
the phrase, this chunk of time
00:41:04.96\00:41:09.16
is taken out of a
bigger chunk of time.
00:41:09.16\00:41:13.77
>>TY: So, there's a bigger
chunk of time, that's the 2300
00:41:13.77\00:41:16.50
years and now, verse 24.
00:41:16.50\00:41:20.31
>>JEFFREY: Seventy weeks
are cut off, determined for your
00:41:20.31\00:41:22.91
people, for your holy city
to finish the transgression to
00:41:22.91\00:41:26.21
make an end of sins, to make
reconciliation for iniquity to
00:41:26.21\00:41:30.69
bring in everlasting
righteousness, to seal up
00:41:30.69\00:41:33.82
vision and prophecy.
00:41:33.82\00:41:35.66
>>TY: Okay, push the
pause button right there.
00:41:35.66\00:41:37.03
So, we have, first of all,
the angel is just saying, and
00:41:37.03\00:41:38.93
people need to visualize this,
draw a picture if necessary.
00:41:38.93\00:41:43.30
You've got 2300 days, 2300
years and the angel come and
00:41:43.30\00:41:48.07
says, well, the first segment
here is 70 weeks of that 2300
00:41:48.07\00:41:54.98
day period of time, day equals
a year, so that's 70 weeks.
00:41:54.98\00:42:00.52
>>DAVID: 490 days or years.
00:42:00.52\00:42:02.82
>>TY: 490 days or
years would be 70 weeks.
00:42:02.82\00:42:07.79
Then, verse 25.
00:42:07.79\00:42:09.49
>>JEFFREY: Yeah, then
we're given the starting point.
00:42:09.49\00:42:12.03
Know, therefore, and
understand that, from the
00:42:12.03\00:42:15.90
going forth of the command to
restore and rebuild Jerusalem,
00:42:15.90\00:42:20.20
until Messiah the prince,
there shall be 7 weeks and 62
00:42:20.20\00:42:24.21
weeks, the streets shall be
built again and the wall, even
00:42:24.21\00:42:27.48
in troublesome times.
00:42:27.48\00:42:29.24
>>DAVID: So, 69 weeks.
00:42:29.24\00:42:31.21
But from this starting point,
from the going forth of the
00:42:31.21\00:42:36.52
command to the restoring
to build Jerusalem, remember,
00:42:36.52\00:42:38.29
Daniel's a captive, Jerusalem
is destroyed, the temple is
00:42:38.29\00:42:40.49
destroyed, so, there's gonna
be a command to go rebuild the
00:42:40.49\00:42:42.72
temple, and the angel's
saying, when that command goes
00:42:42.72\00:42:46.46
forth, there will be 69 weeks
out of the, remember, we're
00:42:46.46\00:42:49.63
dealing with 70 here, there'll
be 69, and when you get there
00:42:49.63\00:42:52.70
to that 69, that's Messiah.
00:42:52.70\00:42:55.60
Messiah the prince.
00:42:55.60\00:42:56.81
>>TY: Messiah is there at
that point, which out of the 490
00:42:56.81\00:42:59.31
years would be 483 years.
00:42:59.31\00:43:02.54
>>DAVID: So, you just had
that last little week left.
00:43:02.54\00:43:04.08
Okay, so Messiah
comes, there's a week left,
00:43:04.08\00:43:07.68
continuing on, and after the
62 weeks, Messiah will be cut
00:43:07.68\00:43:11.39
off but not for himself.
00:43:11.39\00:43:12.82
Let's just pause there.
00:43:12.82\00:43:14.02
Jesus died.
00:43:14.02\00:43:15.12
>>TY: He will be crucified.
00:43:15.12\00:43:15.99
Not for himself.
00:43:15.99\00:43:17.23
>>DAVID: No, he didn't die for
his own sins, he died for our
00:43:17.23\00:43:18.69
sins.
00:43:18.69\00:43:19.83
Right, he, for God so
loved the world, right?
00:43:19.83\00:43:22.93
So, he dies there, he's cut
off, and then, what happens in
00:43:22.93\00:43:24.53
the wake of that, the rest
of verse 26, the people of the
00:43:24.53\00:43:29.50
prince who is to come
will destroy the city.
00:43:29.50\00:43:31.31
This is Jerusalem, and the
sanctuary, the end of it will
00:43:31.31\00:43:33.88
be with a flood until the end
of the world, desolations are
00:43:33.88\00:43:35.78
determined.
00:43:35.78\00:43:36.68
>>TY: That's an
instruction of Jerusalem.
00:43:36.68\00:43:37.81
>>DAVID: Yeah, it's a
little complicated, but it's the
00:43:37.81\00:43:39.08
destruction of
Jerusalem by Rome in AD 70.
00:43:39.08\00:43:42.15
Okay, so far, so
good, we're onto it here.
00:43:42.15\00:43:44.39
Then, he, this is
Jesus Messiah, will confirm a
00:43:44.39\00:43:49.49
covenant with many for one week.
00:43:49.49\00:43:51.53
That's that 70th week.
00:43:51.53\00:43:52.99
He's confirming this covenant,
but in the middle of the week,
00:43:52.99\00:43:56.06
he will bring an end
to sacrifice an offering.
00:43:56.06\00:43:57.87
When Jesus died on the cross,
the sacrificial system came to
00:43:57.87\00:44:01.64
an end, which was symbolized
by the tearing of the veil,
00:44:01.64\00:44:03.87
and I love this little detail,
not from the bottom to the
00:44:03.87\00:44:06.78
top, this was a huge veil,
if a man would've torn that, he
00:44:06.78\00:44:10.88
would've cut it at the bottom
and they would've tried to
00:44:10.88\00:44:12.38
tear it, but it's torn
from the top to the bottom,
00:44:12.38\00:44:14.98
symbolizing that God says,
okay, we're done with this.
00:44:14.98\00:44:17.09
No more lambs, no more
bullocks, no more ox, we're
00:44:17.09\00:44:19.52
not doing that anymore.
00:44:19.52\00:44:20.69
>>TY: They entire symbolic
system has now been fulfilled
00:44:20.69\00:44:21.92
in Christ.
00:44:21.92\00:44:23.12
>>DAVID: Exactly.
00:44:23.12\00:44:24.09
And that's the
confirmation of the covenant.
00:44:24.09\00:44:26.33
Jesus perfectly loved the
Lord his God with all his heart,
00:44:26.33\00:44:28.80
mind, and soul, and his
neighbor as himself, did not
00:44:28.80\00:44:30.70
sin, fulfilled the Abrahamic
covenant, and so, when he
00:44:30.70\00:44:33.40
died, it's like, okay, the
Lamb of God that takes away
00:44:33.40\00:44:36.74
the sin of the world has
come, which is why we now don't
00:44:36.74\00:44:40.04
bring lambs and other animals
for the purposes of sacrifice
00:44:40.04\00:44:43.01
to church, because that
happened, that's historical.
00:44:43.01\00:44:45.91
But Daniel's
looking forward to it.
00:44:45.91\00:44:47.78
>>TY: It's fascinating that
even the Jewish nation, Israel
00:44:47.78\00:44:51.45
itself, ceased the sacrificial
system at that point.
00:44:51.45\00:44:55.36
>>DAVID: Well, not at that
point, but in the wake after
00:44:55.36\00:44:57.53
the destruction of Jerusalem.
00:44:57.53\00:44:58.76
After the destruction of their
temple, the sacrificial system
00:44:58.76\00:45:02.63
is never yet had been
reinstituted, which I think
00:45:02.63\00:45:05.27
personally, is a dramatic
fulfillment of this prophecy.
00:45:05.27\00:45:08.80
>>TY: It's incredible.
00:45:08.80\00:45:10.21
>>JAMES: It says, it'll
lay desolate even to the
00:45:10.21\00:45:12.17
consummation of
the very end of time.
00:45:12.17\00:45:13.88
>>TY: What does that mean?
00:45:13.88\00:45:14.98
>>JAMES: The temple, the
temple will desolate 'til the
00:45:14.98\00:45:16.38
very end of time, means
that that temple will not be
00:45:16.38\00:45:18.28
rebuilt, and right now, of
course, there's a mosque on
00:45:18.28\00:45:21.28
the temple site, so
it can't be rebuilt.
00:45:21.28\00:45:23.18
>>DAVID: There aren't a lot
of people we should say that we
00:45:23.18\00:45:24.75
think that that's the big
story, that there's gonna be a
00:45:24.75\00:45:27.49
temple, it's gonna be
rebuilt in literal Jerusalem.
00:45:27.49\00:45:29.59
Scripture says, no.
00:45:29.59\00:45:31.69
>>TY: That's not the big story.
00:45:31.69\00:45:32.93
>>DAVID: The real big story
is not the temple on earth, it's
00:45:32.93\00:45:34.93
already been destroyed.
00:45:34.93\00:45:35.93
Solomon's temple was
destroyed, the second temple
00:45:35.93\00:45:37.27
was destroyed.
00:45:37.27\00:45:38.33
The real temple is a
temple that cannot, will not be
00:45:38.33\00:45:41.34
destroyed.
00:45:41.34\00:45:42.10
>>TY: That Jesus himself...
00:45:42.10\00:45:43.27
>>DAVID: ...is
the high priest of.
00:45:43.27\00:45:44.84
>>JEFFREY: This goes back
to our initial point about the
00:45:44.84\00:45:46.94
three approaches for
interpreting prophecy.
00:45:46.94\00:45:49.41
That, depending
on your approach.
00:45:49.41\00:45:51.38
So, there's futuristic, you
know, approach, we'll see that
00:45:51.38\00:45:55.15
as something in the future,
something that took place in
00:45:55.15\00:45:58.12
the middle east, and it
gets all political and so forth.
00:45:58.12\00:46:01.39
So, the historicist
position kind of spares you that
00:46:01.39\00:46:05.16
confusion, right?
00:46:05.16\00:46:06.59
And allows you to
anchor this in history.
00:46:06.59\00:46:08.86
>>TY: So, somebody summarize,
though, because we just said a
00:46:08.86\00:46:11.67
lot.
00:46:11.67\00:46:12.70
Somebody summarize
what we just discovered.
00:46:12.70\00:46:15.54
>>DAVID: Well, I don't know
if I'm gonna say, I'll say what
00:46:15.54\00:46:17.24
I'm gonna say and if I
miss anything, you pick up the
00:46:17.24\00:46:19.47
pace.
00:46:19.47\00:46:20.58
>>TY: Well, say what you
were gonna say and summarize.
00:46:20.58\00:46:21.78
>>DAVID: Okay, I'll do my best.
00:46:21.78\00:46:23.18
So, Ty said to draw a line.
00:46:23.18\00:46:24.98
So, you've got this line
of this lengthy period, 2300
00:46:24.98\00:46:27.38
days.
00:46:27.38\00:46:28.12
Right?
00:46:28.12\00:46:28.92
Of which that 70
weeks was cut off.
00:46:28.92\00:46:31.09
So, we go from the start point
here, which is in and around
00:46:31.09\00:46:34.69
the time of Daniel.
00:46:34.69\00:46:35.82
We can attach a period to
that, 457, we can write that
00:46:35.82\00:46:38.49
down, you can go to the
book of Ester, this was a decree
00:46:38.49\00:46:40.53
from, to rebuild Jerusalem
from a Persian king named
00:46:40.53\00:46:43.87
Xerxes.
00:46:43.87\00:46:45.70
Our point is that, that brings
you right down to about the
00:46:45.70\00:46:48.67
point of Jesus.
00:46:48.67\00:46:49.84
So, even if you didn't know
this, this AD 457, you would
00:46:49.84\00:46:52.14
just go from about the time
of Jesus's crucifixion and work
00:46:52.14\00:46:55.38
back and say, hey, was there
a decree back there that sent
00:46:55.38\00:46:58.91
God, oh, there was.
00:46:58.91\00:47:00.12
Okay, great.
00:47:00.12\00:47:01.12
This is hugely convenient.
00:47:01.12\00:47:02.15
>>TY: [Laughter]
00:47:02.15\00:47:03.18
>>JEFFREY: I love that
you simulate how would, oh.
00:47:03.18\00:47:05.15
>>DAVID: So, now, what you
end up with is you've got your
00:47:05.15\00:47:07.92
2300 timeframe, your long
period, of which you have the
00:47:07.92\00:47:12.13
smaller 490 that's cut off.
00:47:12.13\00:47:14.20
Well, you still have
this whole period out here.
00:47:14.20\00:47:16.26
>>TY: 1810 years.
00:47:16.26\00:47:17.30
>>DAVID: Yeah, exactly,
1,810 years that remain.
00:47:17.30\00:47:21.77
So, we follow that and it
brings us to the very period
00:47:21.77\00:47:26.91
described that you were
talking about earlier, Ty, of
00:47:26.91\00:47:29.98
an awakening of a revival,
largely under the preaching of
00:47:29.98\00:47:33.05
a Baptist preacher named
William Miller, sometimes
00:47:33.05\00:47:36.05
called Millerism, sometimes
called Adventism, it was an
00:47:36.05\00:47:38.75
anticipation of Jesus.
00:47:38.75\00:47:40.29
Jesus is coming again, he's
returning, he's gonna be here
00:47:40.29\00:47:42.96
in 1844.
00:47:42.96\00:47:44.33
They preached
this, they believed this.
00:47:44.33\00:47:46.33
They were passionate, based
on the prophecy of Daniel 8 and
00:47:46.33\00:47:50.43
9.
00:47:50.43\00:47:51.63
They were passionate, and as
we know here, we're sitting in
00:47:51.63\00:47:54.50
2016, Jesus didn't
come, they were wrong.
00:47:54.50\00:47:56.77
>>TY: They were short and wrong.
00:47:56.77\00:47:59.34
>>DAVID: Right about the
time, wrong about the events.
00:47:59.34\00:48:02.18
I don't know if
that's a good summary.
00:48:02.18\00:48:04.55
>>TY: That is a very good
summary because that, now that
00:48:04.55\00:48:07.75
we've done that work
in Daniel, we can go back,
00:48:07.75\00:48:10.79
forward now to Revelation
10, and we can crack the code
00:48:10.79\00:48:14.99
there, we can understand
what is that is being revealed.
00:48:14.99\00:48:18.43
>>JEFFREY: I was just
gonna say that what you've just
00:48:18.43\00:48:20.43
described, that sort of
anticipation and that letdown
00:48:20.43\00:48:23.23
fits perfectly with the way
this is described in chapter
00:48:23.23\00:48:27.70
10, where John was to take the
book and eat it, initially, it
00:48:27.70\00:48:32.94
would be sweet, and
then, it would lead to a bitter
00:48:32.94\00:48:37.88
experience.
00:48:37.88\00:48:39.21
>>TY: Emphasize that, though,
because this is a crucial part
00:48:39.21\00:48:42.65
of history, where
sweet, bitter is a comparison.
00:48:42.65\00:48:47.96
Sweet in your mouth, we
know for an absolute fact by the
00:48:47.96\00:48:51.03
internal evidence of the
text that the book that is being
00:48:51.03\00:48:54.76
ingested, eaten, masticated,
processed, is the prophecies
00:48:54.76\00:48:58.83
of the book of Daniel,
specifically Daniel 8:14.
00:48:58.83\00:49:02.97
What would be sweet about that?
00:49:02.97\00:49:04.71
Well, they
believed Jesus was coming.
00:49:04.71\00:49:06.94
>>DAVID: Amen,
hallelujah, thank you Jesus.
00:49:06.94\00:49:09.88
>>TY: But then, why is
it bitter in the belly?
00:49:09.88\00:49:12.28
Why would it be,
well, he didn't come.
00:49:12.28\00:49:14.92
Can you imagine a more
traumatic experience for human
00:49:14.92\00:49:18.75
beings than to be crying
out from your inmost soul, as
00:49:18.75\00:49:24.03
Revelation points out, how long?
00:49:24.03\00:49:27.03
And finally, you begin to
understand, we know how long.
00:49:27.03\00:49:31.07
Jesus is coming.
00:49:31.07\00:49:32.73
Sin, suffering.
00:49:32.73\00:49:34.04
>>JEFFREY: Imagine what
the night before was like.
00:49:34.04\00:49:36.30
>>TY: Oh, just amazing.
00:49:36.30\00:49:38.04
>>JEFFREY: Imagine what
that night was, yeah, that
00:49:38.04\00:49:40.01
anticipation and then, you're
watching the sun and it goes
00:49:40.01\00:49:42.91
down and it comes back up.
00:49:42.91\00:49:45.05
And then it settles on you.
00:49:45.05\00:49:49.05
>>TY: We know exactly what
it was like because we have
00:49:49.05\00:49:51.45
firsthand testimony from
people who were so devastated
00:49:51.45\00:49:57.73
that they threw in the towel
completely and decided they
00:49:57.73\00:50:00.90
didn't believe in God
anymore at all and then, we have
00:50:00.90\00:50:03.63
testimony of people who
said, but it was just too clear.
00:50:03.63\00:50:09.34
Daniel 8:14.
00:50:09.34\00:50:11.37
Something's going on here,
but we don't know what it is, we
00:50:11.37\00:50:14.84
don't know what it was,
something must've happened
00:50:14.84\00:50:17.68
because, let's rehearse again,
let's go back over it again,
00:50:17.68\00:50:21.78
over it again.
00:50:21.78\00:50:23.08
The date is solid.
00:50:23.08\00:50:24.75
The date is solid, but
it's not the second coming of
00:50:24.75\00:50:27.59
Jesus, what in the world is
it that is taking place when we
00:50:27.59\00:50:33.63
come to that period of the
end of the 2300 day prophecy,
00:50:33.63\00:50:36.90
which, by the way,
did you say the time?
00:50:36.90\00:50:38.70
The time, if we begin with
457 BC as the starting point of
00:50:38.70\00:50:43.24
the 2300 day prophecy, we come
to the time of Christ with 27
00:50:43.24\00:50:48.04
AD, 31, 34, that period,
the final week, and we go 1810
00:50:48.04\00:50:52.21
years forward, we
come to the year 1844.
00:50:52.21\00:50:55.82
It is not at all in the realm
of possibility that it could
00:50:55.82\00:51:00.96
be coincidental that, that
prophecy comes out to 1844 and
00:51:00.96\00:51:04.93
that there just happened to be
a group of people who, at that
00:51:04.93\00:51:07.00
time, studied the book
of Daniel and thought he was
00:51:07.00\00:51:09.13
coming in 1844.
00:51:09.13\00:51:10.47
>>DAVID: And let's remind
ourselves of something that
00:51:10.47\00:51:13.94
you already said, Ty, and this
was not, like, a group of 12
00:51:13.94\00:51:16.71
people sitting in a room.
00:51:16.71\00:51:17.91
This was a massive movement,
particularly in the northeast
00:51:17.91\00:51:20.21
United States,
but it was worldwide.
00:51:20.21\00:51:22.21
There were people that were,
had scriptures, in Christian
00:51:22.21\00:51:25.01
situations, they really,
genuinely believed, many of
00:51:25.01\00:51:28.78
them, tens of thousands
and tens of thousands, going to
00:51:28.78\00:51:31.72
camp meetings and
listening to preaching.
00:51:31.72\00:51:33.79
They really believed, it
was called Millerism, it was
00:51:33.79\00:51:35.79
called Adventism, there
are political cartoons about.
00:51:35.79\00:51:38.23
>>JEFFREY: I was just about
to say, I have actually seen the
00:51:38.23\00:51:40.23
newspaper clippings of
just the public, just ridiculing
00:51:40.23\00:51:43.90
these people.
00:51:43.90\00:51:45.10
>>TY: Everybody at that point
who was a Baptist wanted to
00:51:45.10\00:51:48.24
run and hide because William
Miller was a Baptist preacher
00:51:48.24\00:51:52.11
and Christianity in general
was ashamed of the fact that a
00:51:52.11\00:51:57.45
time was set for the
second coming and it failed.
00:51:57.45\00:52:00.22
It made Christianity look bad,
to say the least, but this is
00:52:00.22\00:52:04.65
amazing to me, as the people
continued studying scripture,
00:52:04.65\00:52:10.16
it began to open to their
understanding that wow, wait a
00:52:10.16\00:52:13.56
minute, right date, wrong
event, and here's the amazing
00:52:13.56\00:52:17.47
thing, some people have said,
historically, that movement
00:52:17.47\00:52:20.74
could not have been of God,
that movement could not have
00:52:20.74\00:52:24.04
been of God because they
were wrong about the event, but
00:52:24.04\00:52:27.41
what about the disciples?
00:52:27.41\00:52:29.24
Are we prepared to say
that the disciples of Jesus and
00:52:29.24\00:52:34.88
Jesus himself, that that
whole thing was a false movement
00:52:34.88\00:52:38.35
because they thought that
he was gonna set up his kingdom
00:52:38.35\00:52:41.09
on earth and he didn't?
00:52:41.09\00:52:42.32
>>JEFFREY: What about the fact
that, the point that you love
00:52:42.32\00:52:45.36
to make, the fact that
both the disciples in the early
00:52:45.36\00:52:49.90
church and this antimovement
we're talking about, both of
00:52:49.90\00:52:53.57
their disappointments were
based on a misunderstanding of
00:52:53.57\00:52:56.24
the writings of the
same prophecy, of Daniel.
00:52:56.24\00:52:59.61
First, the Messiah.
00:52:59.61\00:53:00.74
Why would he confuse
us to the Messiah dying?
00:53:00.74\00:53:04.45
When Daniel had foretold that?
00:53:04.45\00:53:06.65
It was a misunderstanding
of what God was up to in his
00:53:06.65\00:53:09.98
Messianic activity.
00:53:09.98\00:53:11.25
And then, you have the
same thing happening in the 19th
00:53:11.25\00:53:13.56
century.
00:53:13.56\00:53:14.96
>>JAMES: They thought that
he was coming, the Messiah was
00:53:14.96\00:53:16.19
coming to wipe out the Romans
and establish God's kingdom on
00:53:16.19\00:53:18.23
earth.
00:53:18.23\00:53:19.46
But he didn't come to do that,
he came to die and then to go
00:53:19.46\00:53:21.33
into the heavenly sanctuary.
00:53:21.33\00:53:23.16
Then, the Millerites thought
that he was coming to wipe out
00:53:23.16\00:53:26.80
the wicked and
establish his kingdom.
00:53:26.80\00:53:29.07
The sanctuary was the
earth, the earth was gonna be
00:53:29.07\00:53:30.57
cleansed.
00:53:30.57\00:53:31.81
But he didn't, he went
into the second phase of the
00:53:31.81\00:53:35.61
heavenly sanctuary.
00:53:35.61\00:53:36.78
So, both of them involve
the sanctuary in heaven, both of
00:53:36.78\00:53:39.71
them involve a misconception
of God's kingdom on earth and
00:53:39.71\00:53:42.32
both of them involve the
misunderstanding of what he
00:53:42.32\00:53:44.02
was coming to do.
00:53:44.02\00:53:45.59
And both of them were
based on the same time frame.
00:53:45.59\00:53:48.12
>>JEFFREY: For anybody who
wants to read about the bitter
00:53:48.12\00:53:50.16
experience about the
early, Luke 24, is it?
00:53:50.16\00:53:54.73
Luke 24.
00:53:54.73\00:53:55.73
That's their
bitterness experience.
00:53:55.73\00:53:59.07
>>TY: We thought he was
the one, I guess he wasn't.
00:53:59.07\00:54:02.24
Well, no, he was, you
understood the time, you
00:54:02.24\00:54:06.31
encountered the true Messiah,
but you didn't understand the
00:54:06.31\00:54:09.08
nature of his work.
00:54:09.08\00:54:11.18
You didn't see what he
was really up to, what he was
00:54:11.18\00:54:13.48
doing, it's the same
thing with this experience.
00:54:13.48\00:54:17.49
>>DAVID: As Revelation 10
closes, in the context of our
00:54:17.49\00:54:19.75
study here in this
Revelation series, there is this
00:54:19.75\00:54:24.13
anticipation of, well, wait
a minute, we have to revisit
00:54:24.13\00:54:27.36
this.
00:54:27.36\00:54:28.10
That was a mistake.
00:54:28.10\00:54:29.23
There's unfinished business
here because the very last
00:54:29.23\00:54:31.43
verse of verse 10 says, and
he said to me, this is when the
00:54:31.43\00:54:34.34
bitter experience has
happened, you must prophecy,
00:54:34.34\00:54:37.01
again, about or to many
peoples, nations, tongues, and
00:54:37.01\00:54:41.84
kings.
00:54:41.84\00:54:43.01
In other words, this message
of the 2300 day prophecy, of
00:54:43.01\00:54:45.15
the prophecies of Daniel,
will go to the world again.
00:54:45.15\00:54:49.05
So, we're sort of left there.
00:54:49.05\00:54:51.95
>>TY: Yeah, it feels like
this great disappointment they
00:54:51.95\00:54:54.72
experienced, this bitter
experience, it feels like it's
00:54:54.72\00:54:57.13
the end of something,
just close up shop, go home.
00:54:57.13\00:55:00.63
>>JEFFREY: It's the
beginning of something.
00:55:00.63\00:55:02.00
>>TY: But it's actually
the beginning of something.
00:55:02.00\00:55:03.33
You must prophecy
again on a global scale.
00:55:03.33\00:55:07.17
There's a message to be given
that is grounded in the book
00:55:07.17\00:55:11.77
of Daniel and the book of
Revelation is going to be the
00:55:11.77\00:55:16.51
key to
understanding those prophecies.
00:55:16.51\00:55:19.81
There's a sense in which
any human being on planet earth
00:55:19.81\00:55:23.52
who begins to understand
the prophecies of Daniel in
00:55:23.52\00:55:26.52
Revelation, those human beings
themselves are prophecy in
00:55:26.52\00:55:30.66
fulfillment.
00:55:30.66\00:55:32.06
They're experiencing the
fulfillment of prophecy in
00:55:32.06\00:55:36.80
their very hearts and lives
and in their witness regarding
00:55:36.80\00:55:41.20
these prophecies.
00:55:41.20\00:55:43.14
It's amazing.
00:55:43.14\00:55:44.81
So, we've covered a lot, but
what we've come to understand
00:55:44.81\00:55:49.38
is that the book of Revelation
is understood in the light of
00:55:49.38\00:55:54.08
the prophecies in
the book of Daniel.
00:55:54.08\00:55:56.08
Now, as we launch forward
further into our study, we're
00:55:56.08\00:55:59.95
gonna discover that there
are more gems of truth that are
00:55:59.95\00:56:03.96
revealed when we
compare these two books.
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