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questions series and we've saved
maybe the best for last because
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we get to delve into the
question, if we're saved by
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grace, why are
we judged by works?
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And that means we get to
talk about grace, which makes it
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perhaps the best topic because
there are gonna be a lot of good
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news in this
discussion, I believe.
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We have a perspective that I
think God has put in our hearts.
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We've had lots of conversations
over the years and have grown in
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our understanding of the gospel
to such a great degree that it
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would be an understatement
to say that we're excited about
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this subject.
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Yeah, there are just countless
people out there who desperately
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need, as we desperately need,
to see subjects such as the
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judgement in the light of the
gospel, and so, there are lots
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of people, I believe, who
are living under the burden of
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believing that the judgement
somehow precludes grace or
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somehow, it's all about grace,
but then, oh, when it's all said
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and done, I'm on my own
and somehow, grace is no longer
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anything that applies to my
ongoing standing before God.
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So, with that, we
need to lay a foundation.
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We don't wanna jump to the
judgement during the time right
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before we were starting, James
said, in this conversation, we
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need to just really focus
on grace and we all just said,
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amen, of course,
that's where we need to focus.
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But we can't avoid the fact that
there is something called the
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judgement, it will happen, the
bible is explicit about it and
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we will be judged by our works.
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So, what about the foundation,
where do we go with this?
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>>JAMES: Ephesians 2.
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>>DAVID: Well, we can go,
I think there's probably 100
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scriptures that you could start
at, maybe a thousand scriptures
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that you could start at.
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>>JAMES: A million?
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>>DAVID: But there's, I think,
only one place, at least for me,
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there's a single place to start
in answering the question, if
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we're saved by grace,
why are we judged by works?
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No one will be able to apprehend
an accurate answer to that
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question if they do not
first understand what the bible
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teaches the gospel is.
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>>TY: Okay.
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>>DAVID: So, that would be like
somebody saying, okay, what is
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algebra?
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What is geometry?
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And they're still
working on their times tables.
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Right, not to suggest that the
gospel is simple, but that it's
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foundational.
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If we don't understand the
answer to that question, trying
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to get to the
judgement, good luck.
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There are lots of people
who understand the judgement who
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don't understand the gospel, and
therefore, guess what they don't
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actually understand?
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>>TY: The judgement.
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>>DAVID: So,
there's a million texts.
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I mean, Paul is a
great place to start.
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Let's go there.
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>>JAMES: Ephesians 2, and I
think even though we wanna start
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right in verse 8, I think we
should go back to the context of
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the chapter, that chapter
and start in verse 1, you, he is
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quickened, who are
dead in trespasses and sins.
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That's where we all began,
wherein time passed, you walked
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according to the course of this
world, according to the power,
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prince of the power of the air,
and the spirit that now works in
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the children of disobedience,
among whom also we had our
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conversation in times past.
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In the lust of our flesh,
fulfilling the desires of our
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flesh, and we're of the mind,
excuse me, and of the mind and
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we're by nature the children of
wrath even as others, but God,
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who is rich in mercy, verse 4,
for his great love wherewith he
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loved us, even when we were dead
in sins, quickened us together
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with Christ by grace, we are
saved, and raised us up together
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and made us sit together in
heavenly places in Christ Jesus
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that in the ages to come, he
might show the exceeding riches
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of his grace and his kindness
toward us through Jesus Christ,
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for by grace, you are saved
through faith, and that not of
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yourselves, it is the gift of
God, not of works, lest any man
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should boast, stop right there.
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should boast, stop right there.
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We're looking here at where
we were, sinners, walking in the
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desires of the flesh, lust of
the flesh, walking according to
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the world, and while we were
sinners, while we were enemies
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of God, he quickened us.
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He made us alive
and saved us by grace.
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Now, that phrase, saved by
grace, is emphasized twice, and
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I believe one of the reasons why
it's emphasized is because it is
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the grace that is bestowed upon
us, the grace that is appeared
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unto all men.
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It is that grace that allows
us to even have life in order to
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comprehend the grace
that eternally saves us.
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God has to do something for us
in Christ Jesus before we even
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know that he's done something
for us, in order to give us life
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so that we can grope
after him and find him.
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And he does that, and then,
he goes on to say, I think in an
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eternal sense, for you saved
by grace, through faith, there's
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the through faith part.
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First one is just by grace,
you're saved, but then it's
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through faith, not of
yourselves, it's the gift of
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God, not of works
lest any man should boast.
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Now, there's the works
part that's added to that.
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I think verse 8 is describing
the part that is eternal and
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it's precluding works and
suggesting faith, whereas the
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first one is just saying, you've
been saved by grace, God has
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done something for you in Christ
in order for you to have that
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second part of that experience.
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>>TY: The word gospel is never
used in this passage, and yet,
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beautifully, what Paul
has described is the gospel.
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The good news is described
here, first of all, against the
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backdrop of the problem.
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The problem is that we're
sinners in the first few verses,
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in verse 1-3, but then, in verse
4, but God who is rich in mercy,
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because of his great love
with which he loved us, that's
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powerful.
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This is
describing the motive of God.
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What's moving God
toward us as sinners?
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Because of the great love with
which he loved us, he reaches
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out of himself to
save us by his grace alone.
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Now, this is a significant
passage because it tells us that
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we're saved wholly by grace and
that works have no purchasing
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power for our salvation.
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So, if that's the case, we come
back to our question, if we're
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saved by grace, why
would we be judged by works?
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You see what I'm saying?
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If we're saved by
grace, why judged by works?
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That's what we're inching
toward, but I think we need to
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further lay the foundation, we
need to pour the foundation of
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the gospel.
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So, this is one gospel passage,
how about you, Jeffrey, David,
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anything else
regarding the gospel itself?
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>>DAVID: I'm gonna just stay
in Ephesians 2, where are you
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going?
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>>JEFFREY: No, go
ahead, I'm not going anywhere.
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>>DAVID: I agree with everything
James has said, of course,
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everything Ty said, love that.
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The problem that Paul is
addressing here is not only sin,
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but it's that which is the
result of sin and that is being
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dead.
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He says, you he made alive
who were dead in trespasses and
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sins.
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Verse 5, even when we
were dead in trespasses.
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So, if you wanted to, you could
sort of look at it in a two part
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formula, mankind
faces two problems.
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I face two problems, you face
two problems, we face death,
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right, and that which
causes death, which is sin.
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So, sin and death are the
twin problems that are facing
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humanity.
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And the question then
is, how will God rescue us?
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Well, he certainly bestows
grace, and he certainly has an
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attitude of love toward us
that causes, that's the motive.
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For Paul, though, the
centerpiece of Paul's gospel is
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a historical event that took
place in the man Jesus Christ
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that consummated
in his resurrection.
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It was the life, death, burial,
and resurrection of Jesus that
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is the historical event by which
God shows the motive of his
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heart and by which he
demonstrates that he is saving
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us by grace and that's exactly
what Paul says in verse 6.
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He says, he is raised us up
together and made us sit in the
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heavenly places in Christ Jesus.
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That's resurrection language.
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We were dead.
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If you're dead, okay, I'm
not really fond about this whole
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death thing.
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I'm not, I don't
like this death thing.
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Well, the bible doesn't just
say that we will die in some
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historical sense, in some
medical sense, it says you are
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dead.
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You are dead in trespasses and
sins, because the wages of sin
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is death.
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Well, if you're dead,
you got a major problem.
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A problem that only one
thing can solve, and that is a
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resurrection.
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You need to be raised.
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Well, how will we be raised?
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And we will be raised because of
this historical, wonderful event
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in which God condescends
to become a man, this is the
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gospel, the holy history of the
man Jesus Christ is the gospel,
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it's the good news.
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God becomes a man, he walks a
mile in our moccasins, he lives
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the life that we have not
lived, he dies the death that we
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deserved, he experiences the
burial that should've been ours,
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but there's not a period there,
there's a comma, and he was
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raised from the dead.
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This historical event is,
for Paul, for Jesus, for all the
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biblical writers, the
centerpiece of the gospel.
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We've gotta be there, and in
fact, Paul is so big and broad
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and beautiful with his language
that he says, we are sitting
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with Christ in heavenly places,
and Paul's thinking, we're
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already there.
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>>TY: It's a done deal.
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>>DAVID: It's a done deal.
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>>TY: Yeah, the whole course
has been walked in the person of
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Jesus Christ.
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>>JEFFREY: What you were
just quoting there, you were
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basically kinda quoting 1
Corinthians 15, where Paul gives
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the definition of, just for our
viewers, I'd like to just look
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at that real quick, in 1
Corinthians 15, verse 1, Paul
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says, I'm declaring the gospel,
and then he defines what that
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gospel is in verse 3, for I
delivered to you, first of all,
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that which I also received, and
then here's the definition, that
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Christ died for our sins,
according to the scriptures.
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Verse 4, that he was buried
and that he rose again the third
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day, according
to the scriptures.
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So, that's a very simple,
foundational definition of what
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the gospel is.
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>>DAVID: And scholars believe
that what's taking place there
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in 1 Corinthians chapter 15 is
that what you have is an actual
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early, like, an early oral
tradition of what the gospel is.
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There's a doxological sense
there and what that means is
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that this, there's a rhyme, not
a rhyme, but a meter, there's a
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sense that Christ died for our
sins according to the scripture,
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that he was buried, that he rose
again the third day according to
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the scriptures.
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In a pre-literary society,
you're a Christian, you come to
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my town, I'm a Christian, I
go to your town, and you say, do
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you believe in the Messiah,
I say, I believe the Messiah.
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Well, which Messiah?
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Right, there's no internet,
there's no Twitter, there's no
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Facebook, there were lots of
messiahs in the days of Jesus.
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There were lots of promising,
young Jewish upstarts that were
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the messiah, so which one?
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Oh, I'm a believer
in Thudas the messiah.
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I'm a believer in, you know,
Judas the, there were different
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figures that
the bible speaks of.
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Okay, which one?
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No, no, no, I believe in Jesus.
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Jesus of Nazareth?
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Yeah, the one that died
according to the scriptures that
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was buried, that rose again
the third day according to the
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scripture.
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Okay, same one.
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That's the gospel.
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>>JEFFREY: And I love the double
emphasis on according to the
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scriptures, according to the
scriptures, that the gospel is
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not merely pointing us to an
event where God entering into
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time and space, but that that
event was a fulfillment of a
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promise that was given,
according to the scripture,
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according to the scripture.
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It was anticipated because God
promised it and it took place.
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So, I like that.
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>>TY: I'd like to just add a
few, a few breaststrokes to the
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picture that you guys are
painting because the language
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that you've brought to the table
is really meaningful in the
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broader context
of Paul's theology.
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David, you said, in so many
words, that Jesus in himself,
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represents a holy history,
that there's a historic act that
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occurred in the person of Jesus
Christ, and his life, death,
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burial, and resurrection
and ascension constitutes the
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gospel.
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How about this language from
Paul in Romans chapter 3, where
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he says, in verses 23 and
24, for all have sinned and fall
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short of the glory of God, being
justified freely by his grace
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through the redemption
that is in Christ Jesus.
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This is very fascinating to me.
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Redemption is described here
as an accomplished reality in
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Christ Jesus.
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It's a done deal in him.
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This is what we might refer to
as the objective achievement of
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Christ in himself, apart from
the participation of any human
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being.
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And this is what Paul has in
mind when he says, we're saved
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by grace, through faith, not
of works, we can't contribute
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anything to the
achievements of Christ.
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The Christ even itself is
basically the remaking, the
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redoing, the retroversion of the
human experience and he redeems
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the whole thing.
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He completely reestablishes
a new humanity and there it is,
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it's done and then you went
further, David, you said, not
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only did he live and die and
was buried and resurrected, he
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ascended and then Paul does
something very fascinating in
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Ephesians 2, he says, okay,
Jesus is up there, he's ascended
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and he says, we're seated with
him in heavenly places in Christ
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Jesus and what Paul means by
this is that our complete human
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representative is right there in
the throne room of the universe,
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so reason it through this way,
even if, hypothetically, this
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isn't the case, but
hypothetically, even if all of
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us and every human being said,
no to the salvation that is in
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Christ Jesus, that salvation
is still in Christ Jesus.
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It's an accomplished fact
in Christ and faith is the
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mechanism by which we identify
with the salvation that is in
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Christ Jesus, or said another
way, faith doesn't manufacture
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facts, faith lays hold of
the facts of the gospel that are
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present in Jesus Christ.
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>>DAVID: There is a simple, and
I'll just, this'll be so quick,
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there is a reason, a very
simple, practical, pragmatic,
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utilitarian reason why we cannot
make any contribution to the
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accomplished fact of the life,
death, burial, and resurrection
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of Jesus.
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It happened a long time ago.
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It's historic.
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How, pray tell, would
you add something to that?
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It's in the books.
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You know, as the filmmakers
would say, you know, it's in the
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can.
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You know, it's
wrapped up, it's done, right?
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How are you gonna
add something to that.
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>>JAMES: Guys, I love this
because this is laying a deep,
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solid foundation in the fact
that we are saved by grace and
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if we can lay this foundation as
deep as possible, I mean, we can
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throw some more layers on
this, we can lay this as deep as
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possible, it will be the
way that we can best understand
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being judged by works.
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Because what we have to do is we
have to completely dismiss the
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idea that our works save us
and if we can establish the fact
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that we're saved by grace,
that idea, before we even start,
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it'll be gone.
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>>DAVID: I kinda cut you off,
there Jeffrey, I didn't mean to.
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I just really didn't wanna
lose that point about the basic
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historical nature of an event.
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It's done.
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That happened.
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How you gonna add
something to that?
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>>JAMES: But now it's your turn,
Jeffrey, now we're gonna let you
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have this time.
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>>JEFFREY: I forgot
what I was gonna say.
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I forgot what I was saying, so.
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>>TY: Well, since you forgot
what you were gonna say, since
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you forgot what you were gonna
say, I'll just add one feature
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because we're talking here
about salvation and judgement.
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Jesus lived and he died, he
was resurrected and ascended.
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Now, watch this, in chapter
12 of the gospel of John, Jesus,
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referring to his death on the
cross, watch this, says, he's on
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the cross, he's going, he's
dying on the cross, and he says,
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now is the
judgement of this world.
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So, not only was the
life of Jesus a perfected
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reestablishment, recreation
of the human being, his death on
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the cross
exhausted the judgement.
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There is absolutely no reason
whatsoever for you or me to
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undergo and to
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face the judgement
on the terms of our sin.
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We can actually enter into the
judgement, point to Calvary and
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identify by faith with the fact
that the judgement happened in
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Christ.
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Right now, at Calvary, the
judgement of this world, boom,
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done deal.
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>>JAMES: Ty, we have to look
at one verse before we close, I
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know we need to close this
section, but just to back up to
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the scripture on that,
okay, 2 Corinthians chapter 5.
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2 Corinthians chapter 5, and
verse 14 is where it begins, but
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I think, you can go further on
this, but we'll just stop with
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verse 14, we can always go
into this a little bit more, but
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notice what it says here, and
I'm just gonna read it in the
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context of the New King
James and other translations.
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This is how it reads.
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For the love of Christ
constrains us, which means,
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motivates us, because we thus
judge that if one died for all,
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then all died.
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In other words, what you
just said, Jesus exhausted the
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judgement, the punishment that
should've come, not just to us
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who are believers, but to the
entire world, and if he died for
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the entire world, then that
judgement was exhausted in him.
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Everyone died that death.
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Everyone's punishment for sin,
everyone's reward, everyone's
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wages of sin was brought
together and paid for in Jesus
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Christ.
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>>TY: That's astounding.
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But it does raise the question,
then why is there a judgement at
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all?
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And that's where we need
to begin probing forward in
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scripture when we
come back after the break.
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scripture when we
come back after the break.
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ndation in the gospel
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and we've basically come to
the conclusion that something
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monumental was achieved in
the person of Jesus Christ.
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What was achieved in
the person of Jesus Christ?
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Everything
pertaining to our salvation.
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There's nothing that we can
contribute to that achievement.
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Jesus walked the entire gauntlet
for us, he endured judgement on
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our behalf.
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He achieved perfection in his
humanity and he died for us, he
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rose again, he
ascended to heaven.
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And it's this kind of language
that Paul employs when he says
00:22:06.42\00:22:11.19
things like Galatians 2:20,
I am crucified with Christ,
00:22:11.19\00:22:17.07
nevertheless I live, yet not
I but Christ lives in me and the
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life which I now live, I live by
the faith of the Son of God who
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died for me and rose again.
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Notice the language.
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>>JEFFREY: That's the first
verse I memorized when I became
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a Christian.
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>>TY: Is it?
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>>JAMES: So,
did he say it right?
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>>DAVID: No, he didn't,
not the end, but that's okay.
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>>JEFFREY: It's a
beautiful passage.
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Keep going.
00:22:34.52\00:22:35.85
[inaudible chatter]
00:22:35.85\00:22:39.22
>>DAVID: No, that is correct.
00:22:39.22\00:22:41.12
>>TY: Okay, so the part that I'm
trying to focus on here is I am
00:22:41.12\00:22:44.59
crucified with Christ, when?
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Well, in the
Christ event itself.
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The historic event that
you referred to, back there at
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Calvary, this is a
representative death.
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This is a death that is being
engaged in by the ambassador of
00:22:55.94\00:23:01.14
heaven coming down to earth
and representing heaven on our
00:23:01.14\00:23:06.45
behalf and here we have before
us a monumental achievement in
00:23:06.45\00:23:11.95
Jesus Christ that includes
the judgement, according to John
00:23:11.95\00:23:16.46
chapter 12 and verses 31 and 32.
00:23:16.46\00:23:19.03
So, with that foundation
laid, then James took us to 2
00:23:19.03\00:23:22.83
Corinthians chapter 5, and
James, you went to verses 14 and
00:23:22.83\00:23:26.10
15.
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>>JAMES: Just 14.
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>>TY: Yeah, 14 and onward,
but you guys look, go back up to
00:23:27.77\00:23:30.74
verses 10 and 11.
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The context here to the gospel
he's about to break down is the
00:23:31.97\00:23:37.78
fact that there is a judgment,
verses 10 and 11, for we must
00:23:37.78\00:23:42.32
all appear before the judgment
seat of Christ, that each one
00:23:42.32\00:23:46.72
may receive the things done in
the body, according to what he
00:23:46.72\00:23:50.46
has done, whether good or bad,
knowing therefore the terror of
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the Lord, we persuade men, but
we are well known to God, but we
00:23:54.00\00:24:01.04
are well known to God, and I
also trust we are well known in
00:24:01.04\00:24:06.04
your consciences.
00:24:06.04\00:24:07.98
What's he saying here?
00:24:07.98\00:24:09.14
He's essentially saying,
yes, we're all judgment bound,
00:24:09.14\00:24:12.35
everybody's gonna stand before
the judgement seat of Christ,
00:24:12.35\00:24:16.28
and it's in that context that
he says, we're compelled by the
00:24:16.28\00:24:19.69
love of Christ.
00:24:19.69\00:24:20.92
Jesus moves us in love toward
him because his love toward us
00:24:20.92\00:24:28.73
was a representative death that
included all human beings, he
00:24:28.73\00:24:32.07
goes onto say that God is
reconciled to us not counting
00:24:32.07\00:24:36.47
our trespasses against us by
virtue of the achievements of
00:24:36.47\00:24:40.78
Christ.
00:24:40.78\00:24:41.54
>>JAMES: Ty,
this is so powerful.
00:24:41.54\00:24:42.74
These texts are so powerful,
I've never seen them before in
00:24:42.74\00:24:45.91
the context of the judgement.
00:24:45.91\00:24:47.62
This is the first time I've
noticed, I mean, I know those
00:24:47.62\00:24:49.85
verses are there, I've read this
many times, but I've noticed
00:24:49.85\00:24:52.39
that these verses that
follow are in the context of the
00:24:52.39\00:24:54.69
judgement, in other words, in
a nutshell, God is saying to us,
00:24:54.69\00:24:57.69
listen, there is gonna be a
judgement, and because there's
00:24:57.69\00:24:59.83
gonna be a judgement, you need
to know the gospel and you need
00:24:59.83\00:25:01.96
to know Jesus and you need to
know that God has reconciled to
00:25:01.96\00:25:04.83
you and you need to know that he
doesn't regard you according to
00:25:04.83\00:25:07.47
the flesh, and you need to
know that you have a whole new
00:25:07.47\00:25:09.57
identity, a new creature,
in Christ and you need to claim
00:25:09.57\00:25:12.37
that.
00:25:12.37\00:25:12.97
That's yours.
00:25:12.97\00:25:14.21
He became sin for us, he became
sin for us, so if you wanna be
00:25:14.21\00:25:19.21
able to stand against, I'm gonna
say it this way, Revelation
00:25:19.21\00:25:22.35
12:10, against the accusations
of the devil, the accuser, you
00:25:22.35\00:25:26.39
need Jesus, what
he's done for you.
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>>JEFFREY: But that's another
point there is that we must all
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appear before the judgement seat
of Christ and the reason that is
00:25:30.26\00:25:34.10
an important point is because
when people normally think of
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the judgement, they think that
bad people are gonna be in the
00:25:37.40\00:25:40.30
judgement, right?
00:25:40.30\00:25:41.34
It's always in the negative.
00:25:41.34\00:25:42.64
We must all appear, even
believers, even the saved,
00:25:42.64\00:25:46.34
excuse me, which preempts
something that will come up here
00:25:46.34\00:25:49.84
sooner, I hope, that the
judgement is not necessarily
00:25:49.84\00:25:54.22
bad.
00:25:54.22\00:25:55.02
It's not in a
negative connotation.
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The judgement has a bigger
purpose that the lost and the
00:25:56.18\00:26:00.99
saved are affected by.
00:26:00.99\00:26:05.03
>>TY: Unpack that, no, say more.
00:26:05.03\00:26:06.96
>>JAMES: Unpack it,
unpack that bag, that suitcase.
00:26:06.96\00:26:11.47
>>JAMES: Unpack it,
unpack that bag, that suitcase.
00:26:11.47\00:26:12.43
the saved and
00:26:12.70\00:26:14.54
the lost, will be in
the judgement, right?
00:26:14.54\00:26:17.31
That totally removes the idea
that it's, just think about the
00:26:17.31\00:26:22.04
way we use the
language, don't judge me.
00:26:22.04\00:26:24.55
When have you ever thought about
that phrase with a positive
00:26:24.55\00:26:29.68
connotation.
00:26:29.68\00:26:30.89
>>JAMES: Old Testament David's
experience, judge me, Lord,
00:26:30.89\00:26:32.49
judge me, he says
it over and over again.
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>>JEFFREY: You just
blew my whole point.
00:26:33.79\00:26:35.22
>>JAMES: Oh, sorry.
00:26:35.22\00:26:36.29
>>JEFFREY: The whole
point was to create a tension.
00:26:36.29\00:26:38.06
[Inaudible chatter]
00:26:38.06\00:26:43.43
>>JEFFREY: But that's exactly
the point, that's exactly the
00:26:43.43\00:26:45.17
point.
00:26:45.17\00:26:46.37
Who, have you ever heard anybody
say, Lord, please judge me?
00:26:46.37\00:26:52.21
No.
00:26:52.21\00:26:54.31
Because we think of that in the
negative connotation and it's a
00:26:54.31\00:26:57.45
very narrow and incomplete
picture of the judgement.
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Why would a prophet
say, Lord, please judge me?
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>>TY: Because that prophet is
expecting a positive outcome to
00:27:04.59\00:27:08.46
the judgement, not
expecting a negative outcome.
00:27:08.46\00:27:10.96
>>JEFFREY: That's exactly
what I was trying to say.
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>>DAVID: On what basis would the
Old Testament prophets such as,
00:27:13.26\00:27:17.60
or Old Testament prophets
and writers such as David have
00:27:17.60\00:27:21.40
expected a positive outcome?
00:27:21.40\00:27:23.64
>>JAMES: On the basis of knowing
Christ, for sure, or God.
00:27:23.64\00:27:26.11
>>DAVID: Right, so
talking about David, so we can't
00:27:26.11\00:27:27.91
anachronistically read back,
you know, David didn't have the
00:27:27.91\00:27:31.98
writings of Paul, he didn't
yet see the life, death, and
00:27:31.98\00:27:34.38
resurrection of Jesus.
00:27:34.38\00:27:35.48
So, I'm asking the question,
how would David have known?
00:27:35.48\00:27:38.52
>>TY: With a forward
reaching faith in Messiah, he'd
00:27:38.52\00:27:43.46
definitely have the sacrificial
00:27:43.46\00:27:44.63
>>DAVID: How would he have
known the story of judgement?
00:27:44.63\00:27:45.76
>>TY: Sacrificial service,
sanctuary service, we have a
00:27:45.76\00:27:50.30
step by step process that is
outlined that, again, outlines
00:27:50.30\00:27:55.34
the path that Jesus actually
traversed on our behalf.
00:27:55.34\00:27:59.87
>>DAVID: James?
00:27:59.87\00:28:00.98
>>JAMES: Psalms 73, I
was envious at the wicked.
00:28:00.98\00:28:07.82
>>DAVID: Yeah, that's right.
00:28:07.82\00:28:08.98
>>JAMES: They were not slippery,
then I went into the what?
00:28:08.98\00:28:12.35
>>DAVID: Sanctuary.
00:28:12.35\00:28:13.32
>>JAMES: And saw their end.
00:28:13.32\00:28:14.09
How foolish was I and ignorant?
00:28:14.09\00:28:15.82
>>DAVID: Yeah, that's right.
00:28:15.82\00:28:17.06
>>JEFFREY: So, the judgement is
hope that God would bring an end
00:28:17.06\00:28:19.23
to evil.
00:28:19.23\00:28:20.76
>>TY: I don't think we should
pass by that scripture, just
00:28:20.76\00:28:21.86
saying that in passing.
00:28:21.86\00:28:23.00
What scripture, where is that?
00:28:23.00\00:28:24.87
>>JAMES: Psalm 73.
00:28:24.87\00:28:28.10
Well, maybe it's 77, I
don't know, I thought it was 73
00:28:28.10\00:28:30.34
>>TY: David, is that what you
were getting at when you were
00:28:30.34\00:28:32.31
asking the question, on what
basis would David have expected
00:28:32.31\00:28:38.85
a positive
outcome to the judgement?
00:28:38.85\00:28:41.02
>>DAVID: Yeah, that's exactly
the question that I was getting
00:28:41.02\00:28:42.98
at.
00:28:42.98\00:28:43.35
It's saying
00:28:43.35\00:28:44.72
>>JAMES: And this
is really powerful.
00:28:44.72\00:28:46.15
Go ahead.
00:28:46.15\00:28:47.76
>>DAVID: No, I was just gonna
say, how would David have known?
00:28:47.76\00:28:49.49
We go from Paul and John
and Jesus, and then, we're like,
00:28:49.49\00:28:53.40
see, David said, judge me,
oh, Lord, because he anticipated
00:28:53.40\00:28:56.20
that the outcome would be
positive and not negative.
00:28:56.20\00:28:58.13
So, we say, well,
how did he know that?
00:28:58.13\00:28:59.50
That's what I'm asking.
00:28:59.50\00:29:00.77
>>JAMES: What's so powerful
about this is, notice what he
00:29:00.77\00:29:02.10
says here.
00:29:02.10\00:29:02.84
>>TY: Where are you at?
00:29:02.84\00:29:04.07
>>JAMES: Psalm 73:1 and 2, I'm
just gonna read 1 and 2 and then
00:29:04.07\00:29:05.71
we can paraphrase the rest if
you want, maybe not, but here's
00:29:05.71\00:29:08.11
what he says, truly God is good
to Israel, even to such of you
00:29:08.11\00:29:11.15
who are of a clean heart.
00:29:11.15\00:29:12.88
God is good to the good guys,
but as for me, verse 2, my feet
00:29:12.88\00:29:17.39
were almost gone, my
steps had well-nigh slipped.
00:29:17.39\00:29:20.59
So, he's here, at least talking
about some kind of  experience
00:29:20.59\00:29:25.36
where he's not a good
guy, where he's struggled, he's
00:29:25.36\00:29:28.46
backslidden, my feet have
slipped, I've backslidden.
00:29:28.46\00:29:30.50
So, God is, and then, he's going
through all of these pictures of
00:29:30.50\00:29:36.54
the way that it seems like the
wicked are prospering, and then
00:29:36.54\00:29:39.97
he goes into the
sanctuary and he sees their end.
00:29:39.97\00:29:42.08
>>JEFFREY: That's in verse 17.
00:29:42.08\00:29:43.31
>>JAMES: Yes, verse 17 is where,
until I went into the sanctuary
00:29:43.31\00:29:45.65
and then I understood their end.
00:29:45.65\00:29:47.28
Surely, God has set
them in slippery places.
00:29:47.28\00:29:49.68
And I think what David is saying
here in the context is, you know
00:29:49.68\00:29:52.92
what, I'm a believer in
God, but I'm a backslider.
00:29:52.92\00:29:56.89
The good guys are gonna make
it, but the backsliders aren't.
00:29:56.89\00:30:00.03
Maybe I should hang out with
the wicked because it looks like
00:30:00.03\00:30:02.50
they're having a good time in
this planet, this earth, things
00:30:02.50\00:30:05.20
are going well for them.
00:30:05.20\00:30:06.40
>>DAVID: He even says in verse
4 that, there are no pangs in
00:30:06.40\00:30:09.57
their death.
00:30:09.57\00:30:10.21
>>JAMES: Yes, yes.
00:30:10.21\00:30:11.64
>>DAVID: That's his whole point.
00:30:11.64\00:30:13.27
He says, verse 5, they're
not in trouble like other men.
00:30:13.27\00:30:16.31
>>JAMES: Verse 12, they prosper
the world, they increase in
00:30:16.31\00:30:19.31
riches, I cleanse my heart
in vain, I've washed my hands in
00:30:19.31\00:30:22.45
innocence, I can't do
this, I can't do this anymore.
00:30:22.45\00:30:25.05
Then, I go into the
sanctuary and what do I see?
00:30:25.05\00:30:26.89
I see that the end of the wicked
is lost, but there's, for those
00:30:26.89\00:30:30.76
who believe in something
more than me washing my hands of
00:30:30.76\00:30:34.36
innocence and me trying to keep
up the good works to make it to
00:30:34.36\00:30:37.33
heaven, there's something there
in the sanctuary that I see that
00:30:37.33\00:30:40.64
gives me hope, and that
sanctuary is, like you said,
00:30:40.64\00:30:43.57
David, that is this lamb that
trod the wine press alone and
00:30:43.57\00:30:47.88
with the people,
there was none with him.
00:30:47.88\00:30:49.74
>>TY: Well, verse 28, it seems
like he's come full circle and
00:30:49.74\00:30:54.28
he's gotten over his bout with
depression, and in verse 28, he
00:30:54.28\00:30:58.79
says, but it is good
for me to draw near to God.
00:30:58.79\00:31:03.29
I have put my trust in the Lord
God that I may declare all your
00:31:03.29\00:31:09.40
works, isn't that something?
00:31:09.40\00:31:10.63
So, I guess David was grappling,
but then, he realized, wait a
00:31:10.63\00:31:16.81
minute, it is good for me
to draw near to God and put my
00:31:16.81\00:31:21.21
trust in him because the end of
the wicked is going to be that
00:31:21.21\00:31:25.68
they're going to face a
judgement alone without God as
00:31:25.68\00:31:33.29
their advocate
in that judgement.
00:31:33.29\00:31:35.59
>>JAMES: And also, in the
context, I've backslidden.
00:31:35.59\00:31:38.59
>>TY: So, we know he's a sinner.
00:31:38.59\00:31:40.13
>>JAMES: I can't do this, so
it's good for me to trust in his
00:31:40.13\00:31:43.16
works, in his righteousness,
which is what the sanctuary
00:31:43.16\00:31:47.27
teaches.
00:31:47.27\00:31:48.27
It's beautiful,
beautiful picture.
00:31:48.27\00:31:49.87
Righteous by faith right here.
00:31:49.87\00:31:51.11
>>TY: Okay, so are there other
passages of scripture that put
00:31:51.11\00:31:57.21
the judgement in
a positive light?
00:31:57.21\00:32:00.72
>>JAMES: Yes.
00:32:00.72\00:32:02.55
Before we go there, Romans 14, I
just wanna touch on this, Romans
00:32:02.55\00:32:05.09
14 is so powerful because God,
Paul is dealing with a church
00:32:05.09\00:32:08.52
that is divided between Gentiles
and Jews and they are just,
00:32:08.52\00:32:12.06
they're all in the faith, he
says in verse 1 of Romans 14,
00:32:12.06\00:32:15.13
but they are, and these are the
words he uses, they're judging
00:32:15.13\00:32:17.93
one another and they're
despising each other and in that
00:32:17.93\00:32:23.24
context, and they've got these
little variations of belief, of
00:32:23.24\00:32:27.61
depth of experience, for
example, I think the issue here,
00:32:27.61\00:32:31.91
of course, if you look at the
context is, is that the converts
00:32:31.91\00:32:35.32
from Judaism are dealing with
these extra things that they're
00:32:35.32\00:32:38.12
doing that makes them feel like
they're more righteous than the
00:32:38.12\00:32:40.29
Gentiles.
00:32:40.29\00:32:41.52
The ceremonial laws, et cetera,
and the Gentiles are just like,
00:32:41.52\00:32:43.79
full of faith.
00:32:43.79\00:32:44.89
Paul actually describes the
Jews as weak in faith and the
00:32:44.89\00:32:47.50
Gentiles, full of faith, they
just have full trust in Christ
00:32:47.50\00:32:50.10
and they don't have to do any
of these things because it was
00:32:50.10\00:32:52.07
easier for them to discard
things that they never did
00:32:52.07\00:32:55.17
practice for hundreds
and hundreds of years.
00:32:55.17\00:32:57.27
But the principle is powerful
because he brings it to this
00:32:57.27\00:33:00.38
head in verses 10
through 12, he says
00:33:00.38\00:33:03.88
>>TY: So, you
were just in verse 1.
00:33:03.88\00:33:05.38
>>JAMES: Right, I was just
explaining and summarizing the
00:33:05.38\00:33:07.55
context of it, and then, in
verses 10-12, this is the, this
00:33:07.55\00:33:10.15
is where it comes to the
punchline, he says, but why do
00:33:10.15\00:33:12.69
you judge your brother, why do
you set not your brother, for we
00:33:12.69\00:33:15.46
shall all stand before
the judgement seat of Christ.
00:33:15.46\00:33:19.06
For, as it is written, for I
live, says the Lord, every knee
00:33:19.06\00:33:21.33
shall bow to me, every
tongue shall confess to God.
00:33:21.33\00:33:23.43
So, then every one of us shall
give an account of himself to
00:33:23.43\00:33:26.27
God, let us therefore,
because of the judgement, let us
00:33:26.27\00:33:30.07
therefore, verse 13, not
judge one another anymore.
00:33:30.07\00:33:32.51
You are off the hook, brother,
you are off the hook, sister.
00:33:32.51\00:33:35.71
You no longer have to take
up the burden of judging or
00:33:35.71\00:33:39.65
criticizing your brothers or
your sisters, even with these
00:33:39.65\00:33:42.95
little various,
you are off the hook.
00:33:42.95\00:33:44.72
God has a judgment, we're all
gonna stand before the judgement
00:33:44.72\00:33:47.16
seat of Christ, and he is going
to call everyone into account.
00:33:47.16\00:33:50.33
You don't need to sit in
the judgement, but you should do
00:33:50.33\00:33:53.53
this, rather, he says, verse 13
again, latter half, rather let
00:33:53.53\00:34:00.17
no man put a stumbling
block or on occasion fall in his
00:34:00.17\00:34:03.07
brother's way.
00:34:03.07\00:34:04.24
That's what you need to be
about, that's what you need to
00:34:04.24\00:34:05.71
be about.
00:34:05.71\00:34:06.94
Not judging people, but doing
everything you can to lift them
00:34:06.94\00:34:10.11
up, to remove
the stumbling blocks.
00:34:10.11\00:34:11.78
>>TY: This is interesting, then,
one of the good features of
00:34:11.78\00:34:15.02
believing in the judgement
is that we can be free from any
00:34:15.02\00:34:19.59
need to judge.
00:34:19.59\00:34:20.29
>>DAVID: That's good.
00:34:20.29\00:34:21.49
>>TY: We can just say,
there is a judgement and I don't
00:34:21.49\00:34:29.06
>>JAMES: No one's
getting away with anything.
00:34:29.06\00:34:30.70
>>TY: Yeah, I don't need to sit
in judgement on you or anybody
00:34:30.70\00:34:34.64
else, that's not my
department, that's not...
00:34:34.64\00:34:37.11
>>DAVID: That's
not my department.
00:34:37.11\00:34:39.04
>>JEFFREY: That takes a lot
of energy to sit in judgement of
00:34:39.04\00:34:42.28
everybody all the time.
00:34:42.28\00:34:43.31
>>TY: It's exhausting.
00:34:43.31\00:34:44.51
>>JAMES: And he's talking
here about individual judgement.
00:34:44.51\00:34:47.12
We understand that there's a
church that has accountability
00:34:47.12\00:34:51.25
that it calls its members to,
we understand all of that and I
00:34:51.25\00:34:53.92
don't wanna preclude that, I
just wanna say that this right
00:34:53.92\00:34:56.52
here is where we, as
individuals, are let off the
00:34:56.52\00:35:00.50
hook.
00:35:00.50\00:35:01.10
And this is super good news.
00:35:01.10\00:35:02.86
>>JEFFREY: There's another
passage, Ty, that I wanna read.
00:35:02.86\00:35:04.27
>>TY: Okay.
00:35:04.27\00:35:05.47
>>JEFFREY: Daniel chapter 7,
there's this prophetic sweep,
00:35:05.47\00:35:11.01
obviously, we don't have
the time to unpack it all.
00:35:11.01\00:35:13.61
>>TY: We have a few minutes.
00:35:13.61\00:35:14.84
Make sure you give the
background because people won't
00:35:14.84\00:35:17.38
know where we're coming from.
00:35:17.38\00:35:18.48
>>JEFFREY: In Daniel 7,
beginning in verse 17 and 20,
00:35:18.48\00:35:22.15
those are the verses I will not
read, it's mentioned different
00:35:22.15\00:35:26.25
symbolic nations and kingdoms
that arise on the scene of world
00:35:26.25\00:35:32.66
history, but when you get
down to verse 21, it says, I was
00:35:32.66\00:35:37.67
watching, and the same horn was
making war against the saints
00:35:37.67\00:35:41.94
and prevailing against them.
00:35:41.94\00:35:44.14
So, there's some kind of a
prophetic insight here that the
00:35:44.14\00:35:49.18
saints, which is the people
of God, would be victims of war,
00:35:49.18\00:35:54.08
persecution, some form of
persecution, and then, in verse
00:35:54.08\00:35:57.19
22, the answer to that or the
hope to that is that the ancient
00:35:57.19\00:36:02.52
of days comes into the picture
and it says, and judgement was
00:36:02.52\00:36:06.06
made in favor of the saints,
in my New King James bible, it
00:36:06.06\00:36:10.47
says, in favor of the
saints of the most high.
00:36:10.47\00:36:13.74
And the time came for the
saints to possess the kingdom.
00:36:13.74\00:36:17.04
So, judgement was given in favor
of the saints of the most high.
00:36:17.04\00:36:21.91
That goes back to
my original point.
00:36:21.91\00:36:23.11
2 Corinthians 5:10, all must
appear before the judgement seat
00:36:23.11\00:36:26.72
of Christ, both the
righteous and the wicked.
00:36:26.72\00:36:28.72
So, here's the thing, depending
on the perspective that you look
00:36:28.72\00:36:32.89
at the judgement will determine
if it's a positive or a negative
00:36:32.89\00:36:36.49
thing.
00:36:36.49\00:36:37.39
>>TY: So, it could be negative.
00:36:37.39\00:36:38.13
>>JEFFREY: Of course.
00:36:38.13\00:36:39.33
If you're the accused, if you're
the guilty, are you looking
00:36:39.33\00:36:44.50
forward to that appointment that
little slip you got in the mail
00:36:44.50\00:36:47.30
or whatever that you have
to appear before the judge?
00:36:47.30\00:36:49.40
But what if you were the
plaintiff, what if you were the
00:36:49.40\00:36:51.61
one crying out for somebody
to intervene in a situation?
00:36:51.61\00:36:56.91
What if you were the one
appealing to a higher power or
00:36:56.91\00:37:01.68
to a higher authority and
forwarding a complaint that you
00:37:01.68\00:37:05.85
have been wronged, you
following what I'm saying?
00:37:05.85\00:37:07.96
In that context, the judgement,
that day in court is the day you
00:37:07.96\00:37:14.46
look forward to because
it involves your vindication,
00:37:14.46\00:37:17.53
right?
00:37:17.53\00:37:18.83
So, I think, in that sense,
that's another reason why,
00:37:18.83\00:37:22.67
another example where the bible
presents judgement in a positive
00:37:22.67\00:37:26.88
note, in favor of, there's
people that the judgement will
00:37:26.88\00:37:32.48
be in favor of.
00:37:32.48\00:37:33.78
So, it just depends on
which angle you're looking from,
00:37:33.78\00:37:37.72
really.
00:37:37.72\00:37:38.95
>>DAVID: The thing that I like
about Daniel 7 here and the way
00:37:38.95\00:37:44.26
that I love that it ties in
with what James was saying about
00:37:44.26\00:37:46.06
Romans 14, I think that's good.
00:37:46.06\00:37:47.36
Romans 14, you don't have to
carry the burden any longer of
00:37:47.36\00:37:52.37
judging others because
that is not your department.
00:37:52.37\00:37:56.44
The actual context of Daniel
chapter 7, which you addressed
00:37:56.44\00:38:01.24
just briefly is that there is a
power that presumes to take that
00:38:01.24\00:38:06.35
very seat.
00:38:06.35\00:38:07.32
>>JAMES: That's
exactly where I wanted to go.
00:38:07.32\00:38:08.95
>>DAVID: And God looks down and
says, okay, here's a power, it's
00:38:08.95\00:38:11.22
a religious power, in the
historical context, sitting in
00:38:11.22\00:38:14.49
the place of God.
00:38:14.49\00:38:16.19
Ostensibly, my power, this
is the way that this power is
00:38:16.19\00:38:20.06
posturing itself, this power
is the church, it's the medieval
00:38:20.06\00:38:22.26
church, and God is looking down
and saying, well, wait a minute,
00:38:22.26\00:38:26.23
the problem I have with their
judgement is that it's totally
00:38:26.23\00:38:29.44
out of harmony
with my own judgement.
00:38:29.44\00:38:31.14
In fact, I'm going to stand in
judgement of the power that is
00:38:31.14\00:38:35.81
judging inaccurately and
falsely the saints of God.
00:38:35.81\00:38:39.21
>>JEFFREY: In
judgement of their judgement.
00:38:39.21\00:38:40.52
>>DAVID: That's exactly right.
00:38:40.52\00:38:42.12
So, it's in that sense that
judgement is given in favor of
00:38:42.12\00:38:46.02
the saints.
00:38:46.02\00:38:47.26
It's as if God shows up, there's
a kangaroo court that's going
00:38:47.26\00:38:49.32
on, that's the term.
00:38:49.32\00:38:50.66
There's a kangaroo court, it's
not a real, it's a joke, it's a
00:38:50.66\00:38:54.30
joke, it's a sham, and God shows
up and says, no, no, no, no, no,
00:38:54.30\00:38:57.23
let's do a real judgement here,
and when that real judgement is
00:38:57.23\00:39:00.80
done, the judgement by this
ostensibly, allegedly, religious
00:39:00.80\00:39:07.91
power is shown to be, in fact,
at diametrical odds with the
00:39:07.91\00:39:12.38
judgement of God, which is in
favor of the ones who are being
00:39:12.38\00:39:14.88
persecuted by the church itself.
00:39:14.88\00:39:16.69
>>JAMES: David, David, David,
think about this, this is so
00:39:16.69\00:39:19.79
powerful.
00:39:19.79\00:39:21.02
The point you just brought up is
so powerful, let's make it even
00:39:21.02\00:39:22.59
more, just take
it one step further.
00:39:22.59\00:39:24.39
That system presumed to
judge people and put them to the
00:39:24.39\00:39:29.76
flames who were establishing
themselves and others on being
00:39:29.76\00:39:34.60
saved by grace, through faith,
and not of works, lest any man
00:39:34.60\00:39:39.71
should boast.
00:39:39.71\00:39:40.64
I mean, it's so,
we've come full circle now.
00:39:40.64\00:39:42.81
We've come from Ephesians
all the way around through the
00:39:42.81\00:39:45.21
prophetic chapter of getting all
the way back around to that same
00:39:45.21\00:39:48.28
platform, prophetic platform
that we, I'm just gonna confess
00:39:48.28\00:39:52.22
to this, we, in our own church,
have somehow maybe missed, just
00:39:52.22\00:39:58.03
a little bit, in our focus,
and we've gotta bring it back to
00:39:58.03\00:40:00.90
this focus.
00:40:00.90\00:40:01.63
>>TY: Or a lot-a bit.
00:40:01.63\00:40:02.73
>>DAVID: We gotta
bring it back a lot-a bit.
00:40:02.73\00:40:03.97
Let me just close with this, in
Daniel chapter 9, the ancient of
00:40:03.97\00:40:07.00
days is there, here comes the
son of man, Daniel chapter 7,
00:40:07.00\00:40:09.60
excuse me, here comes the son
of man in, this whole judgement
00:40:09.60\00:40:12.84
thing is going on.
00:40:12.84\00:40:14.08
Paul understood this, clearly
Paul understood Daniel chapter
00:40:14.08\00:40:17.35
7.
00:40:17.35\00:40:18.55
There's huge indications that
both Paul and Jesus knew and
00:40:18.55\00:40:21.75
knew well the prophecies of
Daniel, the book of Daniel, he
00:40:21.75\00:40:24.59
invited us to do the same.
00:40:24.59\00:40:25.79
But here's what I love, in
two passages that we've already
00:40:25.79\00:40:28.36
looked at, 2 Corinthians chapter
5 verse 10, and Romans chapter
00:40:28.36\00:40:30.56
14 verse 10, the
judgement seat of Christ.
00:40:30.56\00:40:37.27
Who wouldn't be comfortable?
00:40:37.27\00:40:39.73
I mean, the Jesus that I read in
the New Testament, I'll take him
00:40:39.73\00:40:43.10
as a judge.
00:40:43.10\00:40:45.87
The judgement seat of Christ.
00:40:45.87\00:40:47.81
I'll take that.
00:40:47.81\00:40:49.04
>>JAMES: And every time Christ
had to sit with sinners and all
00:40:49.04\00:40:51.55
of these outcasts and he had to
receive the criticism, he said,
00:40:51.55\00:40:55.55
no, no, no, I've got to do this
because I'm establishing the
00:40:55.55\00:40:58.55
judgement seat of Christ.
00:40:58.55\00:41:00.26
I love it, that's
a beautiful picture.
00:41:00.26\00:41:02.22
>>TY: Well, we have to take
a break and we have one more
00:41:02.22\00:41:04.76
segment though that we can delve
into this further, but this is
00:41:04.76\00:41:08.73
good news, it's so gratifying to
talk about the judgement and to
00:41:08.73\00:41:15.24
be excited about it because
it's good news and not bad news.
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We have saturated, saturated,
saturated the judgement with
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grace.
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We have laid a foundation that
makes the judgement good news,
00:42:26.57\00:42:29.21
not bad news.
00:42:29.21\00:42:30.41
And I think we need to continue
with that, but I think it's
00:42:30.41\00:42:32.05
really important for us,
if we're going to nail this in
00:42:32.05\00:42:35.32
relation to our question,
we've got to understand, and our
00:42:35.32\00:42:38.09
viewers have to understand
what works have to do with the
00:42:38.09\00:42:42.32
judgement.
00:42:42.32\00:42:43.56
>>JEFFREY: Yeah, we've talked
about judgement and now we need
00:42:43.56\00:42:46.33
to bring in what
the question poses.
00:42:46.33\00:42:48.70
>>JAMES: The first verses we
began with were in Ephesians 2,
00:42:48.70\00:42:51.07
you remember that?
00:42:51.07\00:42:52.30
And we went from Ephesians
2, verses 1, all the way through
00:42:52.30\00:42:54.84
verse 9, but we didn't read
verse 10, and there was a reason
00:42:54.84\00:42:57.44
for that because I was saving
verse 10, I thought it would be
00:42:57.44\00:43:00.08
important for us to go back
at this point to Ephesians 2 and
00:43:00.08\00:43:04.31
look now in the
context at verse 10.
00:43:04.31\00:43:07.32
So, I'm gonna read it just from
verse 8, just from verse 8, not
00:43:07.32\00:43:10.72
from the beginning, verse 8
says, for by grace you are saved
00:43:10.72\00:43:14.22
through faith and that, not
of yourselves, it is the gift of
00:43:14.22\00:43:17.19
God, we've nailed that, not of
works lest any man should boast.
00:43:17.19\00:43:20.56
Okay, that's where we stopped.
00:43:20.56\00:43:21.60
Now notice verse
10, this is powerful.
00:43:21.60\00:43:23.00
For we are his workmanship
created in Christ Jesus unto
00:43:23.00\00:43:28.94
good works, which God has before
ordained that we should walk in
00:43:28.94\00:43:33.78
them.
00:43:33.78\00:43:34.38
Isn't that powerful?
00:43:34.38\00:43:35.48
>>TY: So, works are
mentioned twice in the passage.
00:43:35.48\00:43:38.18
>>JAMES: Yes.
00:43:38.18\00:43:39.41
>>TY: In verse 9, it says that
we're not saved of or by good
00:43:39.41\00:43:42.45
works, and verse 10 says
we are saved for good works.
00:43:42.45\00:43:46.59
>>JEFFREY: And to put it another
way, grace is mentioned first
00:43:46.59\00:43:51.99
and works are mentioned
afterwards, so there's a
00:43:51.99\00:43:55.30
sequence there that authentic
grace, genuine grace will
00:43:55.30\00:43:59.53
somehow produce works.
00:43:59.53\00:44:02.10
>>TY: So, what comes first,
salvation or works, according to
00:44:02.10\00:44:06.94
this passage?
00:44:06.94\00:44:07.58
>>DAVID: Salvation, clearly.
00:44:07.58\00:44:09.18
>>TY: Salvation comes first,
and good works arise out of that
00:44:09.18\00:44:15.65
salvation.
00:44:15.65\00:44:16.62
>>JEFFREY: Can I read
another passage on that?
00:44:16.62\00:44:18.99
>>DAVID: Before you leave there,
I'll just make a comment on
00:44:18.99\00:44:21.26
that, part of the reason,
again, that works have to follow
00:44:21.26\00:44:24.49
salvation is the simple
historical reason that our
00:44:24.49\00:44:29.26
salvation was worked out
in Christ, in his life, death,
00:44:29.26\00:44:32.20
resurrection, and
ascension, 2000 years ago.
00:44:32.20\00:44:36.30
So, how can, it has to be that
and then this because this is
00:44:36.30\00:44:39.37
2014 and that was AD 31.
00:44:39.37\00:44:40.91
>>TY: That's present in verse
10 when it says, it says, for we
00:44:40.91\00:44:45.15
are his workmanship, here's
the language, created in Christ
00:44:45.15\00:44:49.35
Jesus, and then, which God
beforehand prepared that we
00:44:49.35\00:44:54.22
should walk in them.
00:44:54.22\00:44:55.39
So, this is complex language
for most of us to understand.
00:44:55.39\00:45:00.40
What could Paul possibly mean
when he says that our works were
00:45:00.40\00:45:05.27
prepared for us beforehand?
00:45:05.27\00:45:07.67
I mean, if I haven't done them
yet, how are they mine and how
00:45:07.67\00:45:10.97
are they prepared
before I even do them?
00:45:10.97\00:45:13.51
He's saying that they're
prepared beforehand in Christ,
00:45:13.51\00:45:17.11
and I just catch up to them.
00:45:17.11\00:45:18.35
>>JEFFREY: Yeah, in the sense
Christ lived the perfect life
00:45:18.35\00:45:20.52
and by faith, in our union with
Christ, all of those, his life
00:45:20.52\00:45:25.52
and the ripple effects of his
life become manifest in our own
00:45:25.52\00:45:29.69
lives.
00:45:29.69\00:45:30.93
>>JAMES: Now, there's something
very significant that all of you
00:45:30.93\00:45:32.63
are saying here and I just
wanna bring it together for the
00:45:32.63\00:45:35.80
viewers, and that is is that, it
is obvious, from everything you
00:45:35.80\00:45:39.70
said and everything we've
read that works are part of the
00:45:39.70\00:45:43.14
picture of our salvation.
00:45:43.14\00:45:46.04
In other words,
we're saved by grace.
00:45:46.04\00:45:47.91
The question was, if we're saved
by grace, right, why are we
00:45:47.91\00:45:52.65
judged by works?
00:45:52.65\00:45:54.55
And I would like to answer
that question by saying, we are
00:45:54.55\00:45:56.95
judged by works to see
if we're saved by grace.
00:45:56.95\00:46:02.62
>>TY: That's deep.
00:46:02.62\00:46:03.69
>>JEFFREY: The
one reveals the other.
00:46:03.69\00:46:04.86
>>TY: I think you
should say that again.
00:46:04.86\00:46:06.09
>>JAMES: We are judged by works
to see if we're saved by grace,
00:46:06.09\00:46:08.96
because according to Ephesians
chapter 2, if we are saved by
00:46:08.96\00:46:12.20
grace, through faith, not of
ourselves, it's the gift of God,
00:46:12.20\00:46:15.24
not of works, lest any man
should boast, it will bring
00:46:15.24\00:46:17.64
forth works, so we're judged by
works to see if we're saved by
00:46:17.64\00:46:22.24
grace.
00:46:22.24\00:46:23.35
Are we truly trusting completely
in the merits of Christ?
00:46:23.35\00:46:25.75
Now, the reason I bring that up
is because there are 3 verses in
00:46:25.75\00:46:28.55
Matthew 7, verses 21, 22,
and 23, that depict a group of
00:46:28.55\00:46:33.12
people who Jesus say will come
to him in the end of time and
00:46:33.12\00:46:36.12
they will basically say, Lord,
open up the kingdom of heaven to
00:46:36.12\00:46:39.83
us because we have done this,
that, and the other, we have
00:46:39.83\00:46:43.10
done all of these works, and
Jesus is going to say, I didn't
00:46:43.10\00:46:46.80
know you.
00:46:46.80\00:46:48.00
>>TY: You don't get in here
on the basis of this, that, and
00:46:48.00\00:46:49.74
what you've done.
00:46:49.74\00:46:50.91
>>JEFFREY: Can I read the
parallel passage on this, guys?
00:46:50.91\00:46:53.61
>>JAMES: In other words, if
we're saved by grace, and if it
00:46:53.61\00:46:56.54
is a gift and it's not of works,
our works will be such that our
00:46:56.54\00:47:02.05
dependence will be completely
upon the grace of Jesus Christ,
00:47:02.05\00:47:05.55
and they will not be the reason
why we enter heaven, they will
00:47:05.55\00:47:08.66
be the product of our salvation,
not the means of our salvation.
00:47:08.66\00:47:13.46
>>TY: Where are you at?
00:47:13.46\00:47:14.63
>>JEFFREY: Titus chapter 2,
everything you just said, but it
00:47:14.63\00:47:16.93
parallels Ephesians chapter 2,
Titus 2, verse 11, for by grace,
00:47:16.93\00:47:22.94
for the grace of God that brings
salvation has appeared to all
00:47:22.94\00:47:26.84
men, teaching us that denying
ungodliness and worldly lust, we
00:47:26.84\00:47:31.01
should live soberly,
righteously, and godly in this
00:47:31.01\00:47:33.62
present age, looking for
the blessed hope and glorious
00:47:33.62\00:47:37.22
appearing of our great God and
Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave
00:47:37.22\00:47:41.72
himself for us that he might
redeem us from every lawless
00:47:41.72\00:47:47.73
deed and purify for himself his
own special people, zealous for
00:47:47.73\00:47:53.20
good works.
00:47:53.20\00:47:55.04
So, again, just the link, the
sequencer, grace appears and it
00:47:55.04\00:48:00.11
produces good works.
00:48:00.11\00:48:02.18
It's the same concept there.
00:48:02.18\00:48:04.28
>>JAMES: Now, let's stay right
there just for a second and go
00:48:04.28\00:48:06.31
into chapter 3,
because this is a continuum.
00:48:06.31\00:48:08.12
There's no chapter to
this in the original language.
00:48:08.12\00:48:11.25
So, notice chapter 3, and I'm
just gonna jump because I know
00:48:11.25\00:48:14.09
we have a couple other things
we need to look at, but look at
00:48:14.09\00:48:16.32
this, verse 4, but after that,
the kindness and love of God our
00:48:16.32\00:48:20.06
Savior toward man appeared,
we've touched on that in
00:48:20.06\00:48:23.13
Ephesians, not by works of
righteousness, which we have
00:48:23.13\00:48:25.90
done, but according to his
mercy, he saved us, past tense,
00:48:25.90\00:48:30.81
by the washing and regeneration
and renewing of the Holy Ghost,
00:48:30.81\00:48:35.21
which he shed upon us abundantly
through our Lord Jesus Christ
00:48:35.21\00:48:38.38
that being justified by his
grace, we should be made heirs
00:48:38.38\00:48:41.75
according to the hope of eternal
life, this, verse 8, is a
00:48:41.75\00:48:45.95
faithful saint, and these
things I will but thou affirm
00:48:45.95\00:48:49.39
constantly.
00:48:49.39\00:48:50.63
That and that word in the Greek
means, so that, they which have
00:48:50.63\00:48:53.26
believed in God might be
careful to maintain good works.
00:48:53.26\00:48:55.66
These things are good
and profitable unto man.
00:48:55.66\00:48:57.77
Paul is saying here that we need
to, and I'm gonna say it here
00:48:57.77\00:49:02.17
again, we need to affirm
constantly the fact that we are
00:49:02.17\00:49:08.28
saved by grace, shed abundantly
upon us by our Lord Jesus
00:49:08.28\00:49:11.95
Christ, because it we
affirm that constantly, we will
00:49:11.95\00:49:15.18
maintain good works.
00:49:15.18\00:49:16.95
>>TY: Isn't that something?
00:49:16.95\00:49:18.15
So, emphasizing grace is the
means by which good works are
00:49:18.15\00:49:25.83
generated.
00:49:25.83\00:49:27.03
>>DAVID: The funny thing is,
though, is that there is a whole
00:49:27.03\00:49:29.00
cadre of well-meaning but
ultimately misguided people
00:49:29.00\00:49:32.40
inside of the church
that think the exact opposite.
00:49:32.40\00:49:35.60
>>TY: What's the opposite?
00:49:35.60\00:49:36.44
Articulate the opposite.
00:49:36.44\00:49:37.61
>>DAVID: Well, that if you
emphasize grace, you will lead
00:49:37.61\00:49:40.14
people to dismiss, to
carelessness, to recklessness,
00:49:40.14\00:49:44.65
to dismiss the claims of God's
law, yeah, that's right, and
00:49:44.65\00:49:49.85
yet, Paul would say, and all
the bible writers would say, oh
00:49:49.85\00:49:54.56
contraire mon friar.
00:49:54.56\00:49:55.62
Quite the opposite.
00:49:55.62\00:49:56.69
>>JEFFREY: I'm not sure
they would've said that, but.
00:49:56.69\00:49:58.36
>>TY: I don't even
know what that means.
00:49:58.36\00:50:00.53
I hear you say that, I don't
know what that means and where
00:50:00.53\00:50:02.70
it comes from.
00:50:02.70\00:50:03.37
>>DAVID: Oh contraire mon friar.
00:50:03.37\00:50:04.53
On the contrary my friend.
00:50:04.53\00:50:06.47
>>TY: I know, I know what it
means, but I don't know where.
00:50:06.47\00:50:12.87
>>DAVID: I studied
French in high school.
00:50:12.87\00:50:15.74
It's French, yeah.
00:50:15.74\00:50:16.75
>>TY: So, again, the point is
00:50:16.75\00:50:18.35
>>DAVID: Not in Paris, in
Rapid City, South Dakota, you
00:50:18.35\00:50:21.22
know, the capital of France.
00:50:21.22\00:50:24.85
>>TY: So, David, you're
essentially saying that there
00:50:24.85\00:50:29.36
are those who think
grace will give license to sin.
00:50:29.36\00:50:34.23
>>DAVID: Yeah, James keeps
saying, we have to saturate this
00:50:34.23\00:50:36.23
in grace, we have to clothe this
in grace, we have to dip this in
00:50:36.23\00:50:38.50
grace, we have to every other
metaphor possible, and I hear
00:50:38.50\00:50:41.67
that, I love that, I think
that's exactly right, I love
00:50:41.67\00:50:44.71
what we've done here.
00:50:44.71\00:50:45.94
I'm simply saying that on that
last point that we were just in
00:50:45.94\00:50:49.18
there in Titus chapter 3,
so that you will maintain good
00:50:49.18\00:50:51.98
works.
00:50:51.98\00:50:53.01
That there are many
well-meaning, but ultimately
00:50:53.01\00:50:58.09
misguided people that
would say the exact opposite.
00:50:58.09\00:50:59.89
If we want to elicit good
works, the fruit of the spirit,
00:50:59.89\00:51:04.39
godliness, sanctification,
we have to talk about doing good
00:51:04.39\00:51:08.16
works,
godliness, sanctification.
00:51:08.16\00:51:10.57
Not that we shouldn't, but
that's not the real problem, the
00:51:10.57\00:51:13.77
problem is, arises when you
say, if you talk too much about
00:51:13.77\00:51:16.67
grace, then that will give
license, that will create a
00:51:16.67\00:51:21.28
looseness, what did you
say, reckless, or careless.
00:51:21.28\00:51:24.68
>>JEFFREY:
Carelessness, license to sin.
00:51:24.68\00:51:26.35
>>DAVID: It's not true.
00:51:26.35\00:51:27.55
Grace is the only thing that
can elicit actual, what you were
00:51:27.55\00:51:31.95
saying, James, you were saying,
we were saved by grace but
00:51:31.95\00:51:34.52
judged by works in order to see
if we're really saved by grace.
00:51:34.52\00:51:37.13
>>JEFFREY: So, we don't need to
be sensitive about if somebody
00:51:37.13\00:51:41.43
is overemphasizing grace, we
don't need to say, wait, wait,
00:51:41.43\00:51:43.73
wait, wait, but.
00:51:43.73\00:51:44.93
>>DAVID: Listen to me, listen
to me, keep going, keep going.
00:51:44.93\00:51:48.80
>>JEFFREY: You emphasize grace,
somebody says, yeah, yeah, yeah,
00:51:48.80\00:51:51.24
yeah, but we also need to...
00:51:51.24\00:51:54.34
>>TY: I heard a sermon one time,
I didn't give this sermon, but I
00:51:54.34\00:51:59.55
heard this sermon title and I
don't even, and the sermon title
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was get your but out of here,
it was just great because it was
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all about getting the but that
you're talking about out of the
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gospel.
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>>JEFFREY:
That's a creative title.
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>>TY: That's a creative title.
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You can use that.
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I don't know who it came from.
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>>DAVID: That's a big but, by
the way, gotta get that one out
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of here.
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So, check this out,
follow this line of reasoning.
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If we're not preaching a gospel,
follow this, this is gonna sound
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a little dangerous,
but it's not gonna be.
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If our gospel, our preaching,
if Ty Gibson's preaching of the
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gospel and James Rafferty's
preaching of the gospel and
00:52:37.42\00:52:39.32
Jeffrey Rosario's preaching
of the gospel and David
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Asscherick's preaching of
the gospel, and our listeners'
00:52:40.99\00:52:42.89
preaching, teaching, and sharing
of the gospel doesn't at some
00:52:42.89\00:52:45.99
point, at some stage, cause
people to ask the question, wait
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a minute, aren't you
doing away with works?
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Then we're not preaching
the gospel that Paul preached.
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Let me read it to you, he says,
in verse 15, what then shall we,
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of Romans chapter 6, I'm sorry.
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[Inaudible chatter]
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Romans chapter 6, verse 15,
what then, shall we sin because
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we are not under
the law but under grace?
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Certainly not.
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Paul anticipates that people are
gonna say, whoa, Paul, that's
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just a little too much grace,
cool it on the grace thing.
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Take your finger off the grace
button, because if you keep your
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finger on the grace button, if
you keep your foot on the grace
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pedal, people are going to think
that this is a license to sin.
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Isn't that what you're saying?
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And he says, no.
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My point is is that if our
preaching of the gospel doesn't,
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at some point, illicit somebody
saying, wait a minute, are you
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impinging upon, jeopardizing,
or you see what I'm saying?
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Works, then we say, oh, praise
God, that's a good accusation.
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>>JEFFREY: It definitely should
not illicit yes, yes, we have to
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work, but.
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In other words, it
shouldn't be the opposite.
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>>TY: What's the opposite?
00:53:59.93\00:54:01.90
>>JEFFREY: In other words, we're
talking about, it shouldn't be,
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we should illicit the
sensitivity that we talk about
00:54:03.61\00:54:07.34
grace so much that somebody
would say, yes, but what about
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works?
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My point is that, sadly, it's
normally the case that it's the
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opposite, we talks about
works, works, works, and then it
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elicits a response, yeah,
yeah, but what about grace?
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>>DAVID: That's somebody's
gospel, that's not Paul's
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gospel.
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That's not Jesus' gospel.
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>>JAMES: Paul was radical.
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>>DAVID: Talk about radical, I
had a friend, you guys know who
00:54:28.06\00:54:31.50
this is, I won't say his name,
he came to me one time and he's
00:54:31.50\00:54:34.20
good at putting on, and
he's like, hey, man, I've been
00:54:34.20\00:54:38.11
studying the bible and he,
anyway, he was letting on, he
00:54:38.11\00:54:41.91
was like, hey, I think we're off
on this gospel thing, I've been
00:54:41.91\00:54:46.11
doing some new research
and I, we're saved by works.
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And I'm like, what?
00:54:49.95\00:54:52.42
And he's just like, no, no, no,
we are, we are, and he's like,
00:54:52.42\00:54:55.62
he's playing it up, and he did
it really well, for like, a good
00:54:55.62\00:54:57.83
10 minutes, and I'm like,
dude, you have lost your mind.
00:54:57.83\00:55:00.60
He's like, no, no, we're saved
by works, and then, in this
00:55:00.60\00:55:03.43
like, really pregnant moment, as
I was becoming exasperated, it
00:55:03.43\00:55:06.97
normally happens in about the
first 30 seconds, he says, yeah,
00:55:06.97\00:55:10.91
no, we're saved by works.
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Jesus' works.
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[Laughter]
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>>TY: Punchline.
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>>DAVID: I was like, come on,
man, what do you gotta do that
00:55:17.08\00:55:19.58
to a brother for?
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My blood pressure was like...
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>>JAMES: Here, this is, this
brings it together right here,
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John chapter 6, verse 28, is
where, the illustration you just
00:55:28.02\00:55:32.86
made comes together to answer
the question that we're asking.
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John chapter 6:28 and 29.
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This is where, you just said,
the illustration you just gave
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answers the
question that we've asked.
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>>DAVID: You gotta hurry up.
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>>JAMES: I know I've
gotta hurry up, I know that.
00:55:46.07\00:55:48.21
Okay, John chapter 6, 28 and 29.
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We can't, we cannot
not cover these verses.
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Okay.
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[Inaudible chatter]
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Then they said unto him, this
is the people talking to Jesus,
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the Jews talking to Jesus, then
they said unto him, what shall
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we do that we may
work the works of God.
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What can we do
to save ourselves?
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And Jesus answered, verse 29, he
said unto them, this is the work
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of God that you
believe on him who he has sent.
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Yes, we're saved by works, we're
saved by the works of Jesus
00:56:17.31\00:56:19.57
Christ.
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And we, our work, the first work
we have, it's gonna come up in
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the judgement,
have you believed?
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Have you believed on
the works of Jesus Christ?
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We will be judged by our works.
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To see if we're saved by grace.
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You got that?
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>>JEFFREY: That's the best way
to answer, that text is the best
00:56:32.65\00:56:34.59
way to answer that question.
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>>JAMES: We will be judged by
works to see if we're saved by
00:56:35.82\00:56:38.03
grace.
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>>DAVID: So, James, just
to be clear, I wanna ask this
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question, are we saved by works?
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>>JAMES: Absolutely, we're saved
by works 100% >>DAVID: Whose?
00:56:42.60\00:56:46.47
>>JAMES: The
works of Jesus Christ.
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[Laughter]
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That was a good illustration.
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>>TY: So, 1 John, you said, you
wanted to hurry up and get to 1
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John, what's there?
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>>DAVID: Well, no, you talked
about it on the break, I love
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that text, the boldness text.
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>>TY: 1 John is amazing.
00:57:02.58\00:57:04.19
1 John chapter 3, verses 20 and
21, no chapter 3, verses 20 and
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21 is the background.
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He says here, for if our heart
condemns us, God is greater than
00:57:11.69\00:57:15.66
our heart and he
knows all things.
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Beloved, if our heart does
not condemn us, then we have
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confidence toward God, so the
condemnation is going on in us,
00:57:22.90\00:57:27.71
it's going on in our hearts, and
the condemnation that's going on
00:57:27.71\00:57:31.41
in our hearts, Paul says here,
can give way to the fact that we
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live before a God who
knows everything about us and he
00:57:37.42\00:57:40.42
doesn't condemn us, so now we
can have confidence before God.
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Then, we come to chapter 4.
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Then, we come to chapter 4.
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>>DAVID: I'd never seen the
connection with Romans chapter 2
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there before, their conscience
accusing or else excusing.
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Keep going.
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>>TY: Chapter 4, verses 17 and
onward, love has been perfected
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among us in this, that
we may have boldness, when?
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In the day of judgement, why?
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Because as he is, so
are we in this world.
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There is no fear in love
but perfect love casts out fear
00:58:13.86\00:58:18.96
because fear involves torment,
but he who fears has not been
00:58:18.96\00:58:24.07
made perfect in love.
00:58:24.07\00:58:25.70
We love him
because he first loved us.
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We come into the judgment,
according to this passage, and
00:58:29.37\00:58:33.44
we have confidence and boldness
before God and the judgement by
00:58:33.44\00:58:37.55
virtue of the love of Christ,
in which we stand secure, and I
00:58:37.55\00:58:43.99
love the word secure.
00:58:43.99\00:58:45.15
We have security, we have
confidence, we have boldness in
00:58:45.15\00:58:49.99
the judgement by virtue of the
accomplishments of Christ on our
00:58:49.99\00:58:55.16
behalf.
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>>DAVID: Because if it was in
our own works, we would never be
00:58:56.40\00:58:58.47
sure if we'd done enough.
00:58:58.47\00:58:59.37
You couldn't be secure.
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>>TY: And we certainly
never would have done enough.
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>>DAVID: Of course.
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>>TY: This has been a great
series of conversations, 13 of
00:59:06.71\00:59:10.81
them, in total, hard questions.
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We haven't answered them
exhaustively, but this has been
00:59:14.05\00:59:18.75
a good conversation.
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