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--As the conversation is
progressing, we've covered a lot
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of ground.
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And the thing that I'm loving
so far about the way that the
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conversation is going
because these aren't scripted,
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obviously, and for the people
that are listening in, you know,
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we kind of have a general
direction that we're going, but
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the thing just kinda takes on
a life of its own, and I've been
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thrilled.
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We've been through, this is our
fifth conversation now, is that
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right?
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What I'm loving about the way
that this is developing is, is
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that it's coming off very
relationally significant, very
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relationally in tuned, which
is not something that's being
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imposed on the text, it's
the way the text itself presents
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both the sin problem
and the salvation solution.
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We so often make it just
like a legal arrangement.
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There's a problem, here's the
solution, you know, cross all
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your t's, dot all your
i's and it's game over.
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But at the center of this, there
are people, and God is himself a
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person and there's relational
connectivity, so sin is distrust
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and love is relational
trust and love and connection.
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We're gonna continue that
same conversation and that last
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conversation we were talking
about the woundedness of the
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human experiences, emotionally,
psychologically, spiritually,
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etcetera, and here, we're
gonna flesh that out even more,
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transitioning eventually to
the New Testament, but we wanna
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really get our fingers
wrapped around the idea of the
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universality of the sin problem,
that it's not just an individual
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thing, it's not just an isolated
thing, it's universal, and the
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bible paints a very unflattering
picture of humanity, which I
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think is one of the reasons that
many people are a little stand
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offish with Christianity, and
yet, human history has confirmed
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that the bible's diagnosis,
God's diagnosis is accurate.
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So, let's get into some of those
texts, both old and especially
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New Testament texts
that speak to this issue.
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--The first one that comes to
mind is Romans 3, Romans 3 is a
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New Testament passage that
specifically defines what the
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sin problem looks like in human
relations, and again, following
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through with the trajectory that
we clearly see in the scripture
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of this highly relational
language, what Paul defines here
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as the sin problem, again, shows
us that we're not dealing with
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sin in the abstract.
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We're dealing with sin as
something that impacts our
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concrete relationships
with God and with one another.
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In Romans chapter 3, he's
describing the problem, and he
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says in verse 10, as it
is written, there is none
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righteous, no, not one.
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Verse 11, there is none that
understands, which, by the way,
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doesn't that get back to what we
were saying earlier, that when
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we look at the sin problem
in Genesis 3, it begins on the
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level of mental distortion
regarding the character of God.
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So, there is none
who even understand.
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And then, there is none that
seeks after God, which indicates
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that if there is to be a
relationship between God and
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man, it would have to be God
who is taking the initiative.
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--Let me just throw in, I love
that, that also takes us back to
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Genesis because rather than
the posture of seeking God, man,
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Adam and Eve, after the fall,
are fleeing from God and God is
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seeking them.
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--And actually, the word is
used in Genesis 3, that they hid
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themselves from the Lord.
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And when the Lord called them,
wooed them, beckoned them out of
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hiding, the first thing they
said was, we hid because we were
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afraid.
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So, there's fear, there's phobia
in the relationship between God
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and humanity now because God
is perceived in a false light.
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They would've never been afraid
of God if they had maintained an
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accurate perception of
his trustworthy character.
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--Let me just take that a step
further, if you read the whole
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context of Genesis 3, when God
comes into the garden, it's to
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announce that a way of
escape has been made from the
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disconnect that
they're now experiencing.
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God comes into the garden to
announce that the head of the
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serpent will eventually be
crushed, and that their way of
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escape will be made,
a deliverer will come.
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So, here, God's coming in to
sort of announce the good news,
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right?
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Also, to evaluate the problem,
no question there, because the
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good news is only as good as the
bad news is bad, so he's gotta
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first cover that ground, but
he's coming in to tell them the
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good news, and they're fleeing.
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So, he's not just coming in for
some general sense, he's coming
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in to say, hey, this is gonna be
okay, it's gonna be okay for you
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because I'm gonna take it upon
myself, but here, again, they're
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fleeing because of a distortion.
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--Right, and they're guilty,
David, but check this out, not
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only does God come to the
garden, he's not stomping and
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snorting, and you know, flames
aren't coming out of his mouth.
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God comes into the garden,
and when they stand before him,
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finally, with their trembling
fear, they said, we hid because
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we were naked.
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And he said, who
told you you were naked?
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That's a very
interesting question.
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--That's a great question.
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--You normally
know when you are naked.
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--Who told you you were naked?
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The implication is, I didn't.
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I'm not heaping guilt upon you.
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I'm not the source of this new
way you feel about yourself and
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this new way you feel about me.
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I didn't create
this, it's not imposed.
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The guilt isn't imposed
externally, it's realized
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internally and then it affects
the way you see and relate to
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God.
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--But they've projected it.
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--They've projected it.
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--I have a question here, in
verse 12, it'll say, they have
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all turned aside, they have
become together unprofitable.
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There is none who
does good, no, not one.
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So, I guess the
question is, like, really?
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There's none.
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How literal is this language,
I'm just asking the question.
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What about all the people who,
there is none who do good, no,
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not one.
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What is he really saying?
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There's nobody on
earth that does good?
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Isn't there people
who do good things?
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What is he really saying?
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--I really like this question,
two ways, and I'm not gonna
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answer yours directly but I'm
gonna answer it indirectly, and
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that is this, in Romans 3, Paul
is actually quoting from the Old
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Testament, and what's
really interesting about his
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application in Romans 3, is
that in the Old Testament, the
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context of the application in
Psalms 14, the fool has said in
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his heart, there is no God.
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They are corrupt, they have done
abominable works, there is none
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good, they have gone
aside, verse 3, they have become
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filthy, there is none
that does good, no, not one.
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The context is the fool.
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The person that
says, there is no God.
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Paul takes that, that context,
that applies to unbelievers, and
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he applies it, not just to the
gentiles, he applies it across
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the board, he applies
it universally to everyone.
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--We know that in the text,
James, because in verse 9, it
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says, all are under sin.
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--Jews and Greeks.
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--Yes, that's the whole context
of Romans chapter one, Romans
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chapter two,
Romans chapter three.
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--So, he's saying, he's speaking
at a very fundamental level,
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deeper than just the visual,
because if he says there is none
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who does good, no, not even one,
well, somebody might say, what
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are you talking about?
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--That's patently untrue.
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--Yeah, there's all kinds
of people who do good in this
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world.
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What do you mean
there's none who does good?
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Maybe his idea of good is deeper
and more profound than what is
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commonly thought of as good.
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Like, what does he mean by good?
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--I think you're asking a
question that has, there is a
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deeper sort of subterranean
level to the question that
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you're asking that is
just replete with theological
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significance.
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It's hugely significant.
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Because, just part of
the answer, and we might just
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actually finish the verse,
but part of the answer, I think,
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lies in the fact that apart from
the vivifying saving power of
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God in Christ, no
one would even be alive.
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Right, no one would even be
breathing if God hadn't stepped
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into that space, into that
gap between the wages of sin, or
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relational brokenness,
relational disconnection from
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God results in death.
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God didn't say, and the day that
you eat of the tree, I'll kill
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you.
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He said, on the day that you
eat of the tree, you will die.
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Well, they didn't die.
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Well, what happened?
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God said, I'll
step into that space.
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He makes them, you know,
we've been over this ground, the
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clothes of skins and that there
will be a woundedness where he
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will be bruised and then we even
talked about Isaac and all of
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that.
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So, we're getting there,
but the point is that, in some
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significant sense, God has
done something that has given
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humanity a second chance, right?
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Now, not only that, not only
the breath that we have and the
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blood that flows through
our hearts is a direct result of
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God's grace, his attitude
of grace toward the whole human
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race, but now, any good thing
that's ever done, right, any
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good thing that's ever done
is actually not originated and
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inherent within you, it's
something that God has equipped
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and enabled and gifted you to
do, even if you don't know it's,
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even if you give
God no credit for it.
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So, I think that's at least part
of the answer of what Paul is
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saying here.
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Left to yourself.
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--There's nothing.
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--I wanna add to that, add this
idea, see what you guys think of
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this, when he says, there's
none good, not one, he's talking
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about the human
condition in total.
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He's not saying that no human
being in their fallen condition
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ever does isolated acts of
goodness that emerge from the
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Holy Spirit working and touching
and drawing, there are people
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who don't know God on the
conscious level but do know
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God's principles because,
according to John 1 verse 9
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Jesus is the true light who
lightens every person who comes
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into the world.
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So, Jesus is continually
cultivating, the Holy Spirit is
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continually working in people's
hearts before their believers,
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James told us in our last
session that as an unbeliever
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who's not walking in a conscious
deliberate relationship with the
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Lord, he sees somebody in a
predicament, the car driving up
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the hill and it's sliding and
they need help, and there's two
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things going on.
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There's the depravity and the
wickedness of the human heart
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that just wants to laugh and
make fun of it, and then there's
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the impulse to intervene and do
good, so there's a controversy
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going on in human nature.
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I think Paul is not saying,
no human being in the fallen
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condition ever does anything
right or good, I think Paul is
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saying that no human being
does right or good consistently
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perfectly that there's a
fallenness that undergirds the
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human condition and even if
we do good things, those good
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things that we do are the result
of the workings of God on our
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heart and God is evangelizing
us, so to speak, in prompting us
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toward goodness.
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--Can I read a text in Isaiah,
I think it goes perfectly with
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everything you just
said in your assessment of.
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--We'll keep our
finger in Romans 3, yeah.
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--Keep it in Romans 3, but
in Isaiah 64, and we've been
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thinking about this, in verse
6, it says, we are all like an
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uncleaned thing.
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All our righteousness
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All our righteousness's
are like filthy rags.
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--Menstrual cloths,
literally in the Hebrew.
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--And if all our righteousness
is as filthy rags, what about,
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what about whenever we mess up?
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I mean, like, so the best we
can produce is as filthy rags.
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So, it sounds like, it sounds
like, going back to the Romans 3
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concept that he's talking about
things that we can of ourselves,
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like, our own version of the
best that we can do amounts to
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the moral value of filthy rags,
but that doesn't mean that we
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cannot, at some point, like you
said, isolated acts, where we do
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things, we have impulses
like you had, where we're just
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reflecting goodness that comes
from God and it doesn't come
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from us.
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--I think in chapter 3 of
Romans, that it might be helpful
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also to just skip and, but
what we wanna go back to these
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verses, but look at verse
23, where Paul seems to make a
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summarizing statement about
what the sin problem entails.
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He says, for all have sinned,
there's the universal nature of
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the sin problem, and fall
short of the glory of God.
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So, when he says, there's none
righteous, not one, he's talking
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about the general
condition of the human being.
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--There is none that does not
fall short of the glory of God.
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--Yeah, all fall
short of God's glory.
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All fall short of the character
of God, the word glory there
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prompts the idea of character,
all of us are out of harmony
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with the character of God, which
is other-centered love, we're
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out of harmony with that.
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That doesn't mean there aren't
points of light, and even those
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points of light in our
experiences where God is trying
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to work his way into our
experience, but in a pervasive,
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consistent sense, we do
this right, but we do a thousand
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things wrong.
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And even the good things that
we do are often prompted by bad
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motives.
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--And Paul is so intentional
here, have you noticed that?
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He's intentional, he's lifting
out of a context, a certain
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context that David is writing,
he's lifting out of that context
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and he's broadening the context.
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For example, I remember before
I got married, I was dating my
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wife and I was living by myself.
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And I had a little trailer that
I lived in, and I had everything
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just so.
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--Yeah, I remember you
had everything just so.
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--Just so, yeah.
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The toilet paper was on just so,
the toothpaste was squeezed just
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so, my clothes were put just so
and my kitchen was arranged just
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so, and everything was just
so, including the flower boxes,
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everything was just perfect.
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It was perfect.
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--Flower boxes
outside a trailer?
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--I was ready for translation.
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Literally.
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--In your imagination.
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--Yeah, in my self-evaluation.
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And then I got married and
at first, I noticed a lot of
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imperfections in her, but then I
realized, wait a minute, wait a
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minute, there are some things
in my own character that have
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escaped my notice
up until this point.
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I think that's what
Paul is saying right here.
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He's saying, you know, we used
to think that it was the people
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that were ungodly
that were bankrupt.
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The people that were ungodly,
the people that didn't believe
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in God, we used to think that
they were the ones who were not
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seeking after God, but really,
the reality is is that all of
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us, all of us are
equally in the same place.
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And there's only one remedy.
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--I love that emphasis there
because it's so contextual with
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Romans 1 and 2, because
Paul has actually even gone.
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He's gone even further than what
would've been socially wise in
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his day, and he says, you know,
there is gentiles who don't even
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have access to the written law,
and they're doing the things
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that are in their hearts, and we
who do have access, that's why
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the condemnation is greater for
those who know better, and he's
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like, we know better.
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There was a point I wanted to
make earlier, Ty, that you said,
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even our good deeds grow out
of a kind of brokenness we have,
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well, that's right in the text
of Isaiah 64, because he says,
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we are an unclean thing, and,
I'll insert some words here, on
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the basis of that, all of
our good deeds are broken.
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We are an unclean thing and,
as an inevitable result of that,
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the stuff that we do is broken.
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If you have an unclean thing,
it can't produce a clean thing.
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--There is a theological
perspective that basically says
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that sin is not a condition,
or it's not grounded in a
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condition, which I've never seen
in that text, the way you're
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quoting that, we
are therefore we do.
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--We are all like an unclean
thing and therefore, this is the
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stuff we do.
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--Yeah, and some would say it's
a pretty popular theological
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perspective, that is that sin is
just wrong behavior past the age
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of accountability.
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But this text is
saying, no, we are something.
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There's something intrinsic
to our nature, we are morally
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bankrupt at a
fundamental, essential level.
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--Your conduct is just
following your character.
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Your character's messed up,
therefore your conduct follows
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suit.
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--And maybe even your nature.
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--I absolutely love this text in
Luke 11 for this reason, this is
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something that Jesus says almost
offhandedly, and you know the
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things that we say offhandedly,
in other words, without
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intention, are the things that
we absolutely take for granted.
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It's just part of our world.
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And we do this all the
time, just in communication.
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Now, look at this, Jesus says
in Luke 11:13, he's telling a
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story.
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He says, if you then, comma,
being evil, comma, know how to
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give good gifts to your
children, how much more will
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your heavenly Father give the
Holy Spirit to he who asks him,
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to those who ask him.
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He's not making a point
about the depravity of humanity,
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that's something that is
assumed, so he's basically
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telling a story, hey, you
ask for good stuff, you got it.
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So I just love the fact
that Jesus, it's just so easily,
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offhandedly said that you know
that this is a part of his basic
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view of humanity.
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He's read the Old Testament,
he knows the covenant has been
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broken over and over and over
and over again, because covenant
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is broken in our heart, and so
he just says, if you, you know,
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being evil.
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--As we all know.
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He says the same thing in Marks
7, he says, from within, out of
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the heart of man, Mark 7:21,
come evil thoughts, adulteries,
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fornications, murders,
deaths, it comes from the heart.
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--See, if sin is not just
something that we do, but it
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becomes something that we are,
if there's a broken, the medical
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analogy, going back to Isaiah
1, in our last conversation, was
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not just hey, you've got some
stuff on you, let me get it off.
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You are wounded.
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--The sinful man that I am.
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--That I am, there is something
wrong with us that produces
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wrong actions.
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--Those were side effects, that
other stuff is just side effects
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of your condition.
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--Yeah, that's a
good way to say it.
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We have to take a break,
but this is a pretty exciting,
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although dark, conversation.
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We're talking about the sin
problem, but boy, it sure is
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vital that we understand
what the sin problem is.
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We have to be, we have to be
accurately diagnosed in order to
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know where we're
looking for the remedy.
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--That's good,
accurately diagnosed.
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--What I say is, if we take a
shallow view of the sin problem,
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we'll take a shallow
view of the sin solution.
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But if we take a biblical view,
it's the spilled milk, if we
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take a biblical view of the
sin problem, now we, this is
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relational and psychological,
it's emotional, is it
00:19:14.76\00:19:16.96
behavioral?
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Of course it is.
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It's behavioral because
it's all of this other stuff.
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--Yeah, great.
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Okay, we'll come back in just
a minute and keep moving through
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this.
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--Sounds good.
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It's the second half of the
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[Music]
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--We're talking about the sin
problem and we're seeing here,
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in scripture, that this
thing runs deep in human nature.
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I wanna just ask a, probably
uncomfortable, but blunt
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question, do you think that you
are capable of something like
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murder.
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--I don't think,
I know, of course.
00:22:05.03\00:22:06.40
--You know.
00:22:06.40\00:22:07.40
--Of course.
00:22:07.40\00:22:08.70
--Something about the
sin problem, I've noticed in
00:22:09.23\00:22:11.20
scripture, see what you guys
think about this, all the way
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back in Ezekiel 28, describing
the fall of Lucifer, when the
00:22:14.00\00:22:19.73
sin problem begins, the origin
of evil and sin, in Ezekiel 28
00:22:19.73\00:22:24.10
verse 16, God makes an
observation and says that you
00:22:24.10\00:22:30.96
are filled with violence.
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So, the word violence is
used, okay, you got that?
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The word violence is used
to describe Lucifer, this is
00:22:35.73\00:22:39.40
something that God discerns in
him before any violent acts are
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committed.
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In other words, God sees in
his deception, his lies, and his
00:22:45.23\00:22:49.56
self-centeredness, that the
logical outcome and trajectory
00:22:49.56\00:22:54.26
of self-centeredness is to value
yourself above others in the
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ultimate sense of being willing
to be violent toward them, okay?
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Then, fast forward to the New
Testament, to John 8:44, where
00:23:05.93\00:23:11.23
the religious leaders are
conspiring to crucify Jesus, to
00:23:11.23\00:23:16.50
take his life.
00:23:16.50\00:23:17.73
And in verse 44, Jesus makes an
observation, that's similar to
00:23:18.43\00:23:21.50
this observation that has been
made back in Ezekiel 28 about
00:23:21.50\00:23:25.03
violence.
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He says, in so many words, he
says, you're planning to kill me
00:23:26.30\00:23:30.46
because you are of your father,
the devil, he's the origin, he's
00:23:30.86\00:23:35.50
the source of these impulses
that you're cultivating and
00:23:35.50\00:23:39.10
you're willing to act on.
00:23:39.10\00:23:39.80
He was a murderer
from the beginning.
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From the very beginning of the
great controversy between good
00:23:44.63\00:23:47.23
and evil, as Lucifer launches
his rebellion against God,
00:23:47.23\00:23:52.96
murder and violence were there
in the DNA of the sin problem.
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In my own experience, as I
mentioned in a previous segment,
00:24:02.30\00:24:07.26
I was just blown away to see,
having basically decided that I
00:24:07.90\00:24:13.93
would never do anything violent,
I found myself, actually, as a
00:24:13.93\00:24:17.26
teenage kid, in a fight with
somebody where I lost control
00:24:17.26\00:24:19.63
and I was being
terribly violent.
00:24:19.63\00:24:22.23
I mean, this is amazing
what we're capable of, as human
00:24:23.00\00:24:25.83
beings.
00:24:25.83\00:24:27.10
We look at somebody like Hitler
and we say, wow, what a monster,
00:24:27.10\00:24:30.83
and yet, we need to realize
we're talking about a human
00:24:31.40\00:24:33.96
being who has the same basic,
essential, fallen condition that
00:24:33.96\00:24:39.26
we have.
00:24:39.26\00:24:40.73
I mean, it's pretty
scary if you think about it.
00:24:41.43\00:24:43.86
--Yeah, and even the good that
we seek oftentimes gets just
00:24:43.86\00:24:47.83
tainted with
our own selfishness.
00:24:47.83\00:24:50.46
I'm reading this book on the
introduction to sociology and
00:24:50.46\00:24:55.10
I'm reading about Karl Marx.
00:24:55.10\00:24:57.00
And how he notices, you know,
this just oppressive society,
00:24:57.66\00:25:03.60
and the structure of society and
the different classes, and how
00:25:03.60\00:25:06.46
the people in the lower classes
are getting, you know, trampled
00:25:06.46\00:25:10.16
upon by the higher class, and
so he wants to come up with a
00:25:10.16\00:25:14.16
solution to this, to create
a classless society so that he
00:25:14.16\00:25:18.30
can, you know, remove all of
this oppression and all of this
00:25:18.30\00:25:21.70
injustice and inequality
and everything, and it turns out
00:25:21.70\00:25:24.36
that not too long after that,
then you have things like the
00:25:24.36\00:25:27.56
Soviet Union and millions and
millions of people being killed
00:25:27.56\00:25:31.16
through oppressive regimes
because of this classless
00:25:31.16\00:25:35.06
society system.
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--And it was never classless,
it was only classless for the
00:25:36.70\00:25:39.66
non-elite.
00:25:39.66\00:25:40.90
--Right, so I'm reading this
and it's interesting because the
00:25:40.90\00:25:42.76
best solutions that man can come
up with, it just spins out of
00:25:42.76\00:25:47.76
control, and they're broken in
themselves, and they turn out,
00:25:47.76\00:25:50.60
those very solutions turn out
to be oppressive and repressive
00:25:50.60\00:25:54.56
themselves and it causes more
suffering and more selfishness
00:25:54.56\00:25:58.46
and more oppression.
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--And the answer to that is,
the reason is that Marx or any
00:25:59.80\00:26:05.56
governmental system, but in this
case, Marxism, does not have a
00:26:05.56\00:26:09.00
solution to the real problem,
which is not rearranging the
00:26:09.00\00:26:12.50
pieces on the board, you know,
we'll try government this way,
00:26:12.50\00:26:15.63
no, we'll try it this way, the
problem is in the person, it's
00:26:15.63\00:26:19.00
a, you know, nucleic, embryonic
form in us and the arrangement,
00:26:19.00\00:26:24.70
whether, you know, we can go
socialism, we can do capitalism,
00:26:24.70\00:26:27.30
we're gonna do communism,
whatever, all economic systems,
00:26:27.30\00:26:31.13
I mean, right now, we are living
in the wake of the breakdown of
00:26:31.13\00:26:33.86
capitalism.
00:26:33.86\00:26:35.86
Oppressive capitalism, because
capitalism assumes, this is a
00:26:35.86\00:26:38.63
little going around, but it
assumes a basic civility and
00:26:38.63\00:26:42.30
responsibility
toward the worker, right?
00:26:42.30\00:26:46.03
But when that doesn't happen,
when we're not regulated by
00:26:46.03\00:26:48.36
virtue and by
biblical principles of love and
00:26:48.36\00:26:51.00
other-centeredness, it just
becomes all about the bottom
00:26:51.00\00:26:54.16
line, and whether you're dealing
with a democracy or capitalism
00:26:54.16\00:26:59.60
or communism or whatever it
is, there is a brokenness in the
00:26:59.60\00:27:02.36
people that make up those
governmental systems that no
00:27:02.36\00:27:04.83
governmental
arrangement can fix.
00:27:04.83\00:27:06.93
--And that's what makes Jesus so
revolutionary, because he spoke
00:27:07.20\00:27:11.33
to the real problem.
00:27:11.33\00:27:13.30
He addressed the real issue, as
we read, actually, we ended last
00:27:13.90\00:27:17.06
segment with Mark 7, from
within, out of the heart of man,
00:27:17.06\00:27:22.80
come.
00:27:22.80\00:27:24.06
--I wanna add to that, I don't
think, I wanna be very clear for
00:27:24.06\00:27:27.26
myself, I don't think that means
that all governmental systems
00:27:27.26\00:27:29.96
are equally valid or good, I
think there are better ways to
00:27:29.96\00:27:34.33
do government.
00:27:34.33\00:27:35.46
However, none of them will
solve the human predicament.
00:27:35.46\00:27:38.43
None of them.
00:27:39.20\00:27:40.33
Something, when you were saying
there, Ty, about the violence,
00:27:41.60\00:27:43.36
you know, I love that in Ezekiel
28, and I remember the first
00:27:43.93\00:27:45.83
time I saw that.
00:27:45.83\00:27:46.90
I was like, wait a
minute, there's no violence yet.
00:27:46.90\00:27:48.80
But God anticipates violence,
and here's why, because sin is
00:27:48.80\00:27:53.16
ultimately about
self-preservation, and
00:27:53.16\00:27:55.66
self-exaltation, all sin, even
if it's not murder, is murderous
00:27:55.66\00:28:00.93
in its intent.
00:28:00.93\00:28:02.66
--That's right.
00:28:02.66\00:28:03.90
--Because, at the end of the
day, if it comes down to you or
00:28:03.90\00:28:05.63
me, it's gonna be me.
00:28:05.63\00:28:07.60
This is what we
see with Cain and Abel.
00:28:07.60\00:28:08.86
If it comes down to you and me,
it's gonna be me, and if I have
00:28:08.86\00:28:11.30
to leverage my strength and my
power to rid you of life so that
00:28:11.30\00:28:16.23
I'm the last guy standing.
00:28:16.23\00:28:18.03
--So be it.
00:28:18.53\00:28:19.66
--So be it.
00:28:19.66\00:28:20.93
Maybe I just told a lie, maybe
the sin wasn't itself murder,
00:28:20.93\00:28:22.93
but all sin has
murderous intent.
00:28:22.93\00:28:25.76
This is why Jesus could say, oh,
you're angry with your brother?
00:28:25.76\00:28:29.46
--You're a murderer.
00:28:29.86\00:28:30.60
--You've murdered in your heart.
00:28:30.60\00:28:32.00
Because the continuum of anger,
sin, whatever, it's the same
00:28:32.00\00:28:36.70
continuum, but
it's murder down here.
00:28:36.70\00:28:39.03
These are not two different
things, they are the same thing.
00:28:39.03\00:28:40.73
--Back in Romans 3, exactly what
you're saying is there, that
00:28:40.73\00:28:43.86
connects with Ezekiel
28 and John chapter 8.
00:28:43.86\00:28:47.53
This is interesting, it says, we
only read, I think, to verse 12.
00:28:47.53\00:28:53.63
--Through verse 12, yeah.
00:28:53.63\00:28:54.86
--But then look at this in
13 and onward, it says that the
00:28:54.86\00:28:57.33
throat is an open tomb,
with their tongues, they have
00:28:57.33\00:29:01.33
practiced deceit.
00:29:01.33\00:29:03.60
The poison of asps is under
their lips, whose mouth is full
00:29:03.60\00:29:08.90
of cursing and bitterness, their
feet are swift to shed blood.
00:29:08.90\00:29:14.56
--There's the violence.
00:29:14.56\00:29:15.76
--Destruction, notice this
language, destruction and misery
00:29:15.76\00:29:20.03
are in all their ways.
00:29:20.03\00:29:23.26
--There you go.
00:29:23.26\00:29:24.20
--And the way of
peace they have not known.
00:29:24.20\00:29:26.46
Again, going back to my teenage
years where a lot of this stuff
00:29:26.46\00:29:29.60
was just beginning to come to
the surface and I was realizing
00:29:29.60\00:29:33.03
these things.
00:29:33.03\00:29:34.30
I have these friends, we're all
just having a good time, we're
00:29:34.30\00:29:39.66
buddies, you know, you
just picture what appears to be
00:29:39.66\00:29:43.13
innocence, you know, we're
out at the lake waterskiing.
00:29:43.13\00:29:47.20
We're, you know, walk into one
guy's house who's a friend of
00:29:47.20\00:29:51.03
mine and he kisses his mom
on the cheek, she serves us
00:29:51.03\00:29:53.60
sandwiches.
00:29:53.60\00:29:55.03
Everything looks good.
00:29:55.60\00:29:57.33
Well, then, the next day, these
same young men, myself, and my
00:29:57.33\00:30:02.83
friends were taking a bus to the
school that I was kicked out of,
00:30:02.83\00:30:10.13
expelled from for the fight that
I told you about earlier, and
00:30:10.13\00:30:12.90
we're gonna make it right.
00:30:12.90\00:30:14.06
And how are we
gonna make it right?
00:30:14.60\00:30:15.80
We're gonna go to this school,
and here's our ridiculous,
00:30:15.80\00:30:17.76
horrible, ugly plan.
00:30:17.76\00:30:19.36
After kissing mothers on
cheeks and having sandwiches.
00:30:20.10\00:30:22.86
We're going to go and arrive at
this school at lunchtime, we're
00:30:23.40\00:30:28.60
gonna walk on campus, when
everybody's out of class, and
00:30:28.60\00:30:32.36
we're going to, in the
cafeteria, just start throwing
00:30:32.36\00:30:35.20
punches, and just
create a violent riot.
00:30:35.20\00:30:39.86
We don't even
make it to the school.
00:30:39.86\00:30:41.40
We get off the bus at the Circle
K, we get off the bus at the
00:30:41.40\00:30:45.30
Circle K, destruction and
violence are in their ways, we
00:30:45.30\00:30:49.76
get to the Circle K, we're off
the bus, this car pulls in and
00:30:49.76\00:30:54.86
rolls his window down, and says
to us, as we're walking, get out
00:30:54.86\00:30:59.43
of the way, with some
superlatives, and my friend, who
00:30:59.43\00:31:04.53
just kissed his mom and we
had sandwiches, grabs him by the
00:31:04.53\00:31:07.10
hair in his car, begins
smashing his face on the car.
00:31:07.10\00:31:11.03
I'm freaked out, I'm looking at
this, and the guy that this act
00:31:11.03\00:31:14.20
of violence is being performed
against responds with violence,
00:31:14.20\00:31:16.63
by immediately pulling a knife
and driving it into my friend's
00:31:16.63\00:31:19.70
chest.
00:31:19.70\00:31:21.20
He walks away bleeding as the
next one of us approaches this
00:31:21.86\00:31:25.20
guy in response to the violence
and he drives a knife into his
00:31:25.20\00:31:28.60
stomach.
00:31:28.60\00:31:29.60
He walks off bleeding and this
guy puts the knife to my chest
00:31:30.86\00:31:32.63
and says, back up white boy, and
I don't know where this flash of
00:31:32.63\00:31:36.73
intelligence came from,
but I backed up, I backed up.
00:31:36.73\00:31:40.46
--A flash of intelligence.
00:31:40.46\00:31:41.86
--I backed up.
00:31:41.86\00:31:43.13
Two of us were stabbed, I backed
up, he drove off, I memorized
00:31:43.13\00:31:45.96
his license plate number, he was
apprehended, but you see what
00:31:45.96\00:31:49.56
I'm saying.
00:31:49.56\00:31:50.76
Here we are, life is going
along, these are just young men.
00:31:50.76\00:31:55.20
Sandwiches and
kisses on mom's cheek.
00:31:56.10\00:31:57.36
--Waterskiing and doing the
nice thing at the lake one day
00:31:57.36\00:31:59.03
-- Yeah And it all looks, and
the next day, there's violence
00:31:59.03\00:32:02.26
and destruction that is emerging
out of these hearts, these
00:32:02.26\00:32:06.30
natures that are capable
of the most horrible things.
00:32:06.30\00:32:10.60
--Absolutely.
00:32:10.60\00:32:11.70
--One thing missing,
though, just wanna add it to the
00:32:11.70\00:32:12.96
conversation, everything that
we've been talking about so far
00:32:12.96\00:32:17.06
is going back to the experience
that we had, legitimately before
00:32:17.06\00:32:21.40
we knew God.
00:32:21.40\00:32:22.16
But the application that Paul
is making in Romans 3 includes
00:32:23.40\00:32:26.06
that, but it
goes one step further.
00:32:26.06\00:32:28.53
He actually applies this not
just to irreligious people, he
00:32:28.96\00:32:32.43
applies it to people like
us, who've known God, loved God,
00:32:32.43\00:32:35.80
walked with God for years.
00:32:35.80\00:32:37.73
He applies it to himself
in Philippians chapter 3 for
00:32:38.20\00:32:40.80
example.
00:32:40.80\00:32:41.83
--Go there.
00:32:42.23\00:32:43.30
--Yeah, he applies it to
himself, and what's really
00:32:43.30\00:32:44.93
interesting is that in Paul's
understanding of the corruptness
00:32:44.93\00:32:50.60
of the human condition, of the
depravity of our hearts and of
00:32:50.60\00:32:55.20
the fact that sin is etched
with diamonds on the hard, coal,
00:32:55.20\00:33:01.53
callused hearts.
00:33:01.53\00:33:02.73
He describes his righteousness
as a religious person, and
00:33:02.73\00:33:07.20
here's how it begins, it's right
here in Philippians chapter 3
00:33:07.20\00:33:10.53
and verse 4, he says, though
I might also have confidence in
00:33:10.53\00:33:16.33
the flesh, if any other man
thinks that he has, where if he
00:33:16.33\00:33:19.40
might trust in the flesh, I more
because I was circumcised on the
00:33:19.40\00:33:22.33
eighth day, a Jew was to be
circumcised on the eighth day,
00:33:22.33\00:33:24.80
that was the day you were to be
circumcised, if it fell on the
00:33:24.80\00:33:27.10
Sabbath or not,
that was the day.
00:33:27.10\00:33:29.03
That made you a Jew of the Jew.
00:33:29.03\00:33:30.80
He says, of the stock of Israel,
of the tribe of Benjamin, a
00:33:31.10\00:33:33.43
Hebrew of the Hebrews is
touching the law, a Pharisee,
00:33:33.43\00:33:36.30
strict law keeper concerning
zeal, I persecuted the church.
00:33:37.13\00:33:40.06
Now, notice this, verse 6, this
is the point, this is what I
00:33:40.06\00:33:42.90
really wanted to highlight other
than some points going on here
00:33:42.90\00:33:46.63
that we can look at but
concerning Zeal, what did he do?
00:33:46.63\00:33:50.30
--Persecuting.
00:33:50.56\00:33:51.83
--He did the very same thing you
were talking about, violence.
00:33:51.83\00:33:53.06
--In the name of God.
00:33:53.06\00:33:54.63
--In the name of God.
00:33:54.63\00:33:55.80
And so this is not just a
Gentile problem, this is not
00:33:55.80\00:33:59.50
just a problem with the people
in the world, with unbelievers,
00:33:59.50\00:34:02.10
this is a problem with humanity
in general, and it's even worse
00:34:02.10\00:34:05.90
in religion because we
do it in the name of God.
00:34:05.90\00:34:09.40
--Can I read just one chapter
before, chapter 2, Philippians 2
00:34:09.40\00:34:12.23
and verse 13, because
he's talking to the church at
00:34:12.23\00:34:17.10
Philippi, like you're saying,
he's talking to religious
00:34:17.10\00:34:20.06
people, and he says, it's God
who works in you, both to will
00:34:20.06\00:34:26.20
and to do of his good pleasure.
00:34:26.20\00:34:29.30
So, I love what you're
saying that even in a religious
00:34:29.30\00:34:31.83
context, we can't even muster
up the will to do anything.
00:34:31.83\00:34:36.46
So, we require God to give us
the will and the actual doing of
00:34:36.46\00:34:41.83
the thing, both to will and
to do of his good pleasure, so
00:34:41.83\00:34:45.03
again, this depraved condition,
as James said, we're not just
00:34:45.03\00:34:50.03
talking about the,
you know, God-haters,
00:34:50.03\00:34:51.40
he's talking to Christians.
00:34:53.30\00:34:54.50
--But he also wants, in that
verse, he also wants, in another
00:34:54.80\00:34:58.40
aspect of it, that I think is
part of this, he also wants us
00:34:58.40\00:35:00.36
to be willing to work with him.
00:35:00.36\00:35:02.26
In other words, both of us.
00:35:02.26\00:35:03.86
He's not going to force us.
00:35:03.86\00:35:05.13
--He doesn't take away our will,
but our will is also sick, like
00:35:05.13\00:35:10.23
we're using.
00:35:10.23\00:35:11.46
--He's not remote controlling
us, he wants us to cooperate
00:35:11.46\00:35:14.50
with him, and he wants us to
say, yes, yes, and that's the
00:35:14.50\00:35:17.10
whole idea here.
00:35:17.10\00:35:18.60
In other words, Paul here
has been on this religious
00:35:18.60\00:35:21.00
persecution deal, he's just been
out there tearing the church up
00:35:21.00\00:35:24.06
and Jesus comes to him.
00:35:24.06\00:35:25.26
Jesus appears to him.
00:35:25.26\00:35:26.53
Really, Jesus is the answer
to this problem, and as you said
00:35:26.53\00:35:29.46
earlier, David, he assumes that
we all recognize, and the reason
00:35:29.46\00:35:34.26
he does that is because, if
we're honest with ourselves,
00:35:34.26\00:35:38.36
right now in this moment, not
going back 10 years or 20 years
00:35:39.10\00:35:42.26
or 30 years, but if we're
honest with ourselves in this
00:35:42.26\00:35:45.26
moment, we know that our
hearts are corrupt, that they're
00:35:45.26\00:35:48.53
naturally selfish, that we
naturally think of ourselves,
00:35:48.53\00:35:52.46
that we're first, and that
we want what's best for us, and
00:35:53.00\00:35:56.73
that we have to cry out from
the depths of our being every
00:35:56.73\00:35:59.33
moment.
00:35:59.33\00:36:00.70
God be merciful to me, a sinner,
oh wretched man that I am, who
00:36:00.70\00:36:04.60
shall save him from
the body of this death.
00:36:04.60\00:36:06.36
There's no good thing in me.
00:36:07.00\00:36:08.53
Lord, take my
heart, I can't give it.
00:36:09.13\00:36:11.26
I can't even give
it, it's your property.
00:36:11.60\00:36:13.33
--I love what you just said, and
because of the language that you
00:36:13.96\00:36:19.10
used, I wanna just make one sort
of, not a clarification, I wanna
00:36:19.10\00:36:22.46
add it onto what you've said, we
are naturally inclined to evil,
00:36:22.46\00:36:28.06
we are naturally inclined to
selfishness, that's true, but
00:36:28.06\00:36:30.43
because of what God has done
for us in Christ, whether we
00:36:30.43\00:36:33.76
recognize it or not, even though
we are naturally inclined,
00:36:33.76\00:36:36.86
we are not necessarily inclined.
00:36:36.86\00:36:40.13
We can resist,
it can be resisted.
00:36:40.70\00:36:42.76
Not by anything that
comes from within us.
00:36:43.03\00:36:44.70
Paul himself says, in
myself, there's no good thing.
00:36:45.03\00:36:46.90
So, even what's natural for
us doesn't have to be necessary.
00:36:46.90\00:36:50.36
Because of, now we're gonna go
all the way back to Genesis 3,
00:36:50.36\00:36:53.20
the very thing that God
promised, I will put a hatred,
00:36:53.20\00:36:57.26
an enmity between you
and this way of thinking,
00:36:57.26\00:37:00.56
this way of doing life.
00:37:00.56\00:37:01.83
It's intrinsic to us, which
is why, when the bible starts
00:37:02.70\00:37:06.70
talking about a solution.
00:37:06.70\00:37:08.10
--Supernaturally intrinsic
00:37:08.10\00:37:09.40
--Supernaturally, yeah, exactly,
the bible doesn't start talking
00:37:09.40\00:37:12.26
about merely accounting forms
and we're gonna just change the,
00:37:12.26\00:37:15.93
it starts saying things
like you have to be born again.
00:37:15.93\00:37:19.73
You need a new heart, you need
a, you know, this is language of
00:37:20.06\00:37:24.33
recreation, a new person, a new,
a holistic solution, not just
00:37:24.33\00:37:28.90
mere bookkeeping.
00:37:28.90\00:37:30.43
--I think what we're saying is
that the sin problem is complex,
00:37:31.16\00:37:36.93
not complex in you can't
understand it, but it's complex
00:37:37.16\00:37:41.10
in that there are
various parts to it.
00:37:41.10\00:37:43.36
There's the foundational stone,
if you will, of the sin problem,
00:37:43.36\00:37:48.66
which is distortion
regarding the character of God.
00:37:48.66\00:37:51.23
Which, once you believe
false things about God, when you
00:37:51.70\00:37:55.10
believe that he's essentially
self-centered, then your natural
00:37:55.10\00:37:58.40
inclination is to live
for yourself, and so, trust is
00:37:58.40\00:38:02.46
broken, which then leads to
rebellious actions, and it's a
00:38:02.46\00:38:07.10
continuum, it's all connected.
00:38:07.10\00:38:08.90
It's a domino effect, and those
wrong behaviors and rebellious
00:38:08.90\00:38:15.50
actions toward God because of
broken trust with him then lead
00:38:15.50\00:38:19.06
to the horizontal level of human
relationship, in which we then
00:38:19.06\00:38:23.43
begin to violate one another,
and then all of that produces,
00:38:23.43\00:38:29.20
in these violations, a
sense of guilt and shame,
00:38:29.20\00:38:32.23
deep inside our
hearts and minds.
00:38:32.66\00:38:34.73
And that guilt and shame
then leads us to repeat our
00:38:34.73\00:38:38.73
violations and
self-justification and covering
00:38:38.73\00:38:41.63
and compensating and coping
mechanisms and addictions and
00:38:41.63\00:38:46.66
obsessions and we get into all
kinds of things which basically
00:38:46.66\00:38:50.93
equates to the same kind of
thing that Adam and Eve were
00:38:50.93\00:38:54.60
doing in Eden, hiding.
00:38:54.60\00:38:56.40
Hiding in fear, hiding
in shame, hiding in guilt.
00:38:56.80\00:38:59.96
--Hiding from God and
hiding from ourselves, even.
00:39:00.43\00:39:02.23
--And it's so simplistic to say,
the sin problem is merely wrong
00:39:02.23\00:39:06.96
behaviors and the solution
is you need to overcome sin and
00:39:06.96\00:39:12.20
Jesus will help you.
00:39:12.20\00:39:14.10
That is not the solution,
the solution has to go deeper to
00:39:14.10\00:39:18.13
deal with the sin
problem on all levels.
00:39:18.13\00:39:20.86
--To use your illustration here,
the way that the sin problem is
00:39:21.26\00:39:24.66
dealt with is not, because you
started here, moving this way,
00:39:24.66\00:39:27.76
this distrust of God leads right
through, the solution is not to
00:39:27.76\00:39:32.00
say, okay, well, deal with this,
to work backward through the
00:39:32.00\00:39:34.50
thing, it's just to start here.
00:39:34.50\00:39:36.26
Because when this is right, it's
the whole root, fruit thing.
00:39:36.50\00:39:39.13
Jesus didn't come to lay the
axe to the leaves of the tree.
00:39:39.13\00:39:42.46
--But the root.
00:39:42.76\00:39:43.90
--That's what he said about
John the Baptist and himself.
00:39:43.90\00:39:45.13
There is a fundamental
rearrangement of reality that
00:39:45.13\00:39:48.86
needs to take place here.
00:39:48.86\00:39:50.13
We had to start over.
00:39:50.33\00:39:51.46
--Yeah, I like that because
when God takes care of this,
00:39:51.46\00:39:53.76
everything else falls off.
00:39:53.76\00:39:54.63
You see what I'm saying?
00:39:55.46\00:39:56.30
--You scared me
when you did that.
00:39:56.30\00:39:57.00
--That was intentional.
00:39:57.00\00:39:57.70
I thought it was an accident.
00:39:57.70\00:39:58.83
--God takes care of this,
everything else falls off.
00:39:58.83\00:40:00.26
All of that's gone now.
00:40:00.26\00:40:01.53
And this is what 1 John chapter
3 says, now, notice this, this
00:40:01.53\00:40:05.43
is really interesting.
00:40:05.43\00:40:06.66
1 John chapter 3 is where
we find the definition of sin.
00:40:07.00\00:40:10.73
1 John 3:4, for whosoever
commits sin transgresses also
00:40:13.50\00:40:16.70
the law, for sin is
transgression of the law.
00:40:16.70\00:40:19.20
That's the outward acts
that we're talking about.
00:40:20.36\00:40:22.70
But we're saying
it's deeper than that.
00:40:22.70\00:40:24.46
All you need to do is
read the context of 1 John 3.
00:40:24.46\00:40:26.83
1 John 3 is talking about
a context of relationship,
00:40:27.40\00:40:29.93
abiding in Christ.
00:40:29.93\00:40:31.30
It's talking about the love that
God has toward us, it's talking
00:40:31.30\00:40:33.50
about whoever is born of God
loves God and when you love God,
00:40:33.50\00:40:37.03
his seed, that seed of love
remains in you, and you can't
00:40:37.03\00:40:39.60
sin because you love God and
so the whole context of these
00:40:39.60\00:40:42.70
outward acts is based in
this relational language, and it
00:40:42.70\00:40:46.03
actually takes us all the
way back to Genesis because he
00:40:46.03\00:40:49.36
quotes here in verse 12,
he says, verse 11, this is the
00:40:49.36\00:40:54.10
message you've heard from the
beginning that we should love
00:40:54.10\00:40:56.30
one another, so context of
transgression of the law is
00:40:56.30\00:40:59.13
loving one another, not as Cain,
who was of that wicked one who
00:40:59.13\00:41:02.00
slew his brother
and wherefore slew him?
00:41:02.00\00:41:05.73
Why did he slay him?
00:41:05.73\00:41:07.00
Because his works were evil and
his brother's were righteous.
00:41:07.00\00:41:08.86
The outward works, the outward
transgression is an inevitable
00:41:09.46\00:41:12.80
indicator.
00:41:12.80\00:41:14.10
--That's the
right word, inevitable.
00:41:14.10\00:41:15.96
--Of the relationship that
is either there or not there.
00:41:15.96\00:41:18.46
--Yeah, wow, this is
serious stuff that the bible is
00:41:18.76\00:41:21.63
downloading, teaching us here.
00:41:21.63\00:41:23.80
--If you just jump down to verse
15, I love where you're going
00:41:24.13\00:41:26.06
with that.
00:41:26.06\00:41:27.10
--That's what I was gonna say.
00:41:27.10\00:41:28.43
--You do it, you do it.
00:41:28.43\00:41:29.53
Let me defer.
00:41:29.53\00:41:30.73
--I don't know what point
you were, are we out of time?
00:41:30.73\00:41:32.33
--No, I have to take
a break, but go for it.
00:41:32.33\00:41:34.56
--I don't know what
point you were gonna make.
00:41:34.56\00:41:35.83
--You make your point, and we'll
see if it's the same one I was
00:41:35.83\00:41:36.93
gonna make.
00:41:36.93\00:41:37.80
--What verse
were you gonna make?
00:41:37.80\00:41:38.33
--Verse 15.
00:41:38.33\00:41:39.60
--Whoever hates his brother is
a murderer, and you know that no
00:41:39.60\00:41:42.16
murderer has eternal life.
00:41:42.16\00:41:43.40
I was gonna make the simple
point that hatred, according to
00:41:43.40\00:41:47.26
God, equates to
murder, because you were saying
00:41:47.26\00:41:48.93
earlier that it's the
inevitable result, because
00:41:48.93\00:41:53.16
self-preservation
will always lead to murder.
00:41:53.16\00:41:55.03
So, according to God, any little
inkling of self-preservation is
00:41:55.03\00:41:59.46
murder.
00:41:59.46\00:42:00.93
--That's back to his point about
Ezekiel, there's violence in
00:42:00.93\00:42:04.56
you.
00:42:04.56\00:42:05.63
God saw violence in
Lucifer's initial rebellion.
00:42:05.63\00:42:07.10
--What point
were you gonna make?
00:42:07.10\00:42:08.33
--The point I was gonna make
is that he doesn't have eternal
00:42:08.33\00:42:10.70
life in him.
00:42:10.70\00:42:11.83
The principle that leads
to eternal life, which is
00:42:11.83\00:42:14.13
relational connection and love,
connection with God and love for
00:42:14.13\00:42:17.93
God is not in the heart of
somebody who's just looking out
00:42:17.93\00:42:20.50
for himself.
00:42:20.50\00:42:21.36
You can't have that in you.
00:42:21.36\00:42:23.50
If there is murderous, violent
self-preservation intent in you,
00:42:23.50\00:42:29.03
that is not compatible with
eternal life, because at the end
00:42:30.10\00:42:32.73
of the day, if you gave,
this is kind of a funny little
00:42:32.73\00:42:35.33
psychological experiment, or
mental experiment, if you gave
00:42:35.33\00:42:37.66
someone eternal life who had
murderous intent, at the end of
00:42:37.66\00:42:39.93
the day, if it were
possible for him, he would be
00:42:39.93\00:42:41.50
the only one left.
00:42:41.50\00:42:42.56
You give it enough time,
and he'll whack everyone that
00:42:43.73\00:42:45.70
doesn't see, or she, the way
that he wants, and he will be,
00:42:45.70\00:42:48.83
I mean it's really.
00:42:48.83\00:42:50.83
It's dismal, it's bleak.
00:42:50.83\00:42:51.86
--In other words,
this is our condition.
00:42:52.16\00:42:54.66
So, knowing this condition,
where does that leave us?
00:42:54.66\00:42:58.20
I think that's what we need to
visit here in this next session.
00:42:58.46\00:43:00.26
--We do have to take a break.
00:43:00.26\00:43:02.26
We don't want to, but we have
to take a break, and we'll come
00:43:02.26\00:43:05.96
back and just
keep exploring this.
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--Okay, so, James, you took us
to Philippians chapter 3, and I
00:44:05.86\00:44:09.76
thought for sure you were gonna
get into verses 6, 7, and 8, and
00:44:09.76\00:44:12.83
maybe you intended to, but
this is amazing because there's
00:44:12.83\00:44:16.33
background here.
00:44:16.33\00:44:17.53
You read the background.
00:44:17.53\00:44:18.80
Paul is basically recounting for
us his religious pedigree, he's
00:44:18.80\00:44:23.20
saying, I'm a Hebrew of the
Hebrew, I was a Pharisee, I had
00:44:23.20\00:44:28.26
all my spiritual and theological
ducks in a row, and I was
00:44:28.26\00:44:33.26
performing at the optimal level.
00:44:33.26\00:44:36.20
--I'm a religious guy.
00:44:36.20\00:44:37.46
--Yeah, I'm a religious guy, and
then he says, verse 7, but, but
00:44:37.46\00:44:42.36
what things were gained to me,
he means on a spiritual, moral
00:44:42.36\00:44:45.90
level, the things that he
thought were to his spiritual
00:44:45.90\00:44:49.86
and moral credit.
00:44:49.86\00:44:51.86
--Well, he says
right there, righteousness,
00:44:51.86\00:44:52.60
which is in the law.
00:44:52.60\00:44:53.96
--Is that...
00:44:55.90\00:44:56.63
--Verse 6, right?
00:44:56.63\00:44:57.83
--Yeah, yeah, so, but what
things were gained to me, these
00:44:57.83\00:45:01.90
I have counted loss for Christ.
00:45:01.90\00:45:04.60
That's an amazing
inversion right there.
00:45:05.50\00:45:07.23
He's basically saying, all
of my spiritual and religious
00:45:07.90\00:45:10.93
accolades basically equate to
nothing in comparison to what I
00:45:10.93\00:45:17.56
find in Jesus Christ.
00:45:17.56\00:45:19.03
Then verse 8, yet indeed, I also
count all things lost for the
00:45:19.03\00:45:23.26
excellency of the knowledge of
Christ Jesus my Lord for whom I
00:45:23.26\00:45:28.20
have suffered the loss of all
things and count them rubbish
00:45:28.20\00:45:33.60
that I may gain Christ.
00:45:33.60\00:45:35.20
Now, it's interesting, the word
rubbish here, what does it say
00:45:35.53\00:45:38.33
in your version, you
have the King James Version,
00:45:38.33\00:45:39.30
what is yours?
00:45:39.30\00:45:39.70
--Mine?
00:45:39.70\00:45:40.33
--Yeah.
00:45:40.33\00:45:40.83
--Dung.
00:45:40.83\00:45:41.70
--D-U-N-G,
00:45:41.70\00:45:42.43
--that's a very, very crass
00:45:42.43\00:45:44.73
--It means poop,
00:45:44.73\00:45:45.96
--bottom of the
00:45:45.96\00:45:46.23
--Donkey.
00:45:47.20\00:45:47.66
--Specifically?
00:45:49.33\00:45:49.96
--Dung, D.
00:45:49.96\00:45:51.46
--I don't think so, but the word
in the Greek is scubilon, it's
00:45:51.76\00:45:58.13
a, I like the word itself,
but the word is horrible.
00:45:58.13\00:46:01.40
Scubilon, yeah, it's fun to say,
scubilon, but scubilon means
00:46:01.40\00:46:05.13
what, Jeffrey?
00:46:05.13\00:46:06.33
I don't wanna say the word,
so I'll leave you to say it.
00:46:06.33\00:46:07.70
--It means poop.
00:46:07.70\00:46:08.70
--Means dung, King James
Version, it means excrement,
00:46:09.80\00:46:14.20
feces, right?
00:46:14.20\00:46:16.03
It's a horrible, horrible
description, it's nothing you
00:46:16.26\00:46:19.90
wanna pause to imagine.
00:46:19.90\00:46:21.06
He is here
describing what though?
00:46:21.53\00:46:24.56
He's not describing himself
in an atheist state, he's not
00:46:25.26\00:46:29.20
describing himself
in a secular state.
00:46:29.20\00:46:31.96
--All his religious
performance is like poop.
00:46:31.96\00:46:35.83
It goes back to Isaiah 64,
righteousness as filthy rags.
00:46:35.83\00:46:39.90
--So, verse 9, and to be found
in him, not having, and here's
00:46:42.03\00:46:46.93
where he makes himself
very clear, not having my own
00:46:46.93\00:46:50.93
righteousness, which is from the
law, but that which is through
00:46:50.93\00:46:55.56
faith in Christ, the
righteousness, which is from God
00:46:55.56\00:47:00.46
by faith.
00:47:00.46\00:47:01.66
--That's the point, that's
the whole point of what we're
00:47:01.66\00:47:03.36
talking about.
00:47:03.36\00:47:04.06
Righteousness by faith.
00:47:04.06\00:47:05.26
If we wanna understand the
practical application of this,
00:47:05.26\00:47:09.06
what it really means, here it
is right here, it's spelled out
00:47:09.76\00:47:12.23
point by point.
00:47:12.23\00:47:13.56
And one thing that's really,
I think, significant in all of
00:47:13.56\00:47:16.20
this, is verse 8, yea,
doubtless, I count all things
00:47:16.20\00:47:19.06
but loss.
00:47:19.06\00:47:20.63
Now, that word there, we don't
always look at in detail, but
00:47:20.63\00:47:24.23
that word there, in the
Greek, actually means damage.
00:47:24.23\00:47:28.10
I count all this
righteousness of the law, this
00:47:28.63\00:47:31.93
self-righteousness, I count
it damaging, this is damaging to
00:47:31.93\00:47:34.30
me.
00:47:34.30\00:47:35.00
This has been damaging to me.
00:47:35.00\00:47:35.93
Yeah, it's not just
dung, it's damaging.
00:47:35.93\00:47:39.46
--Because it doesn't say it's
nothing, it says it's a loss,
00:47:39.70\00:47:42.03
so, there's a negative, there's
a deficit there, it's not just,
00:47:42.33\00:47:44.60
it's nothing, it's worse
than nothing, it's a loss.
00:47:44.60\00:47:50.03
--It's hurtful because this
is what, we talked about hiding
00:47:50.03\00:47:53.70
from God, hiding
from God, hiding from God.
00:47:53.70\00:47:54.83
Well, where's the number 1
place people hide from God?
00:47:54.83\00:47:57.30
--In religion.
00:47:58.00\00:47:59.26
--In religion, that's the number
1 place, and that's what Paul is
00:47:59.26\00:48:01.00
saying here, he's
saying the number one place.
00:48:01.00\00:48:03.73
--You just dropped a bomb there
and just moved on as if it was
00:48:03.73\00:48:05.13
nothing.
00:48:05.13\00:48:06.06
--The whole world is
filled with religion.
00:48:06.06\00:48:07.90
--It's the most popular place in
the world to hide from God is in
00:48:07.90\00:48:10.96
religion.
00:48:10.96\00:48:11.80
--And this is
what Paul was doing.
00:48:11.80\00:48:13.36
He was hiding
from God in religion.
00:48:13.56\00:48:14.93
This is what we
naturally tend to do.
00:48:15.20\00:48:16.63
We get all of our t's crossed,
we get all of our i's dotted,
00:48:17.00\00:48:19.13
and as Paul, we
say, hey, I'm doing good.
00:48:19.96\00:48:22.83
Now, how can we know that we are
hiding from God in religion that
00:48:22.83\00:48:26.53
we are self-righteous?
00:48:26.53\00:48:27.66
There is a verse in the
book of Luke, chapter 18.
00:48:28.26\00:48:31.23
--Hey, I was just going there.
00:48:31.63\00:48:32.66
You want me to read it?
00:48:32.90\00:48:34.16
--I do.
00:48:34.16\00:48:34.90
--I'll read it and you.
00:48:34.90\00:48:36.13
--This is the question, how
can we know, see, we want to be
00:48:36.13\00:48:40.63
honest with God, we wanna
be true with God, we wanna be
00:48:40.63\00:48:43.03
faithful to God, we
want to know where we stand.
00:48:43.03\00:48:46.00
And it's difficult.
00:48:46.53\00:48:48.30
How can you discern whether
you're doing righteousness by
00:48:48.30\00:48:50.06
works or righteousness by faith?
00:48:50.06\00:48:51.80
--That's a great question.
00:48:51.80\00:48:53.03
--How can you know if you're
connecting with God or if you're
00:48:53.03\00:48:54.23
depending on yourself.
00:48:54.23\00:48:55.50
Here is a verse that identifies
how you can know the difference.
00:48:55.50\00:48:58.66
--So, the diagnosis continues.
00:48:58.66\00:49:00.50
Verse 9 of Luke 18.
00:49:01.23\00:49:03.33
Also, he spoke this parable to
them who trusted, to some, who
00:49:03.66\00:49:08.23
trusted in themselves that they
were righteous and they despised
00:49:08.23\00:49:13.60
others.
00:49:13.60\00:49:14.40
--There it is right there.
00:49:14.40\00:49:15.66
--There's the connection.
00:49:15.66\00:49:16.23
--The way that we relate to
other people is an indicator of
00:49:17.46\00:49:21.63
whether or not we are
trusting in ourselves.
00:49:21.63\00:49:23.40
Cain trusted in himself.
00:49:23.80\00:49:26.06
He was upset.
00:49:26.56\00:49:27.63
You've misrepresented me.
00:49:28.00\00:49:29.00
You don't
understand what my motives are.
00:49:29.50\00:49:31.66
I'm bringing this to God.
00:49:31.93\00:49:33.16
God said, hey,
sin's lying at your door.
00:49:33.16\00:49:34.86
Your actions towards your
brother are going to indicate
00:49:35.36\00:49:37.40
whether or not you're trusting
to me or whether you're trusting
00:49:37.40\00:49:40.86
to yourself.
00:49:40.86\00:49:42.13
--That's exactly what the two
commandments teach, number one,
00:49:42.13\00:49:43.70
love God, number
two, love your neighbor.
00:49:43.70\00:49:45.56
If you don't love your neighbor,
it's indicative that you don't
00:49:45.76\00:49:51.16
really love God.
00:49:51.16\00:49:52.33
--And you're
trusted to yourself.
00:49:52.33\00:49:53.33
--This verse is
heavy, there's a lot here.
00:49:53.33\00:49:55.56
I wanna emphasize this, Jesus
spoke this parable to some who
00:49:55.56\00:50:00.43
trusted in themselves, and they
trusted, specifically, that they
00:50:00.43\00:50:05.73
were righteous, they had a
self-view, they had a perception
00:50:05.73\00:50:08.96
of themselves, we're
righteous, and despised others.
00:50:08.96\00:50:13.30
There's a direct connection
between righteousness by works,
00:50:13.60\00:50:17.06
salvation by works, and
despising others, and I think
00:50:17.06\00:50:20.40
that what you were getting,
James, is you were asking the
00:50:20.40\00:50:23.06
question, how can we know?
00:50:23.06\00:50:25.20
Because we can lie to ourselves.
00:50:25.20\00:50:26.50
You ask the average group of
Christians, you have 500 of them
00:50:26.50\00:50:30.40
together in a congregation,
how many of you believe in
00:50:30.40\00:50:32.96
righteousness by faith?
00:50:32.96\00:50:34.46
All the hands are going up
because on the surface level of
00:50:35.53\00:50:38.36
our theology, we know we're
supposed to believe that, so we
00:50:38.36\00:50:41.73
say we do.
00:50:41.73\00:50:43.06
How many of you
believe in salvation by works?
00:50:43.36\00:50:45.93
Nobody's hands are going up.
00:50:46.83\00:50:48.13
But here's the real litness
test, here's the real indicator,
00:50:48.73\00:50:51.53
looking inside ourselves and the
way we relate to people, do you
00:50:52.63\00:50:56.20
despise others.
00:50:56.20\00:50:58.23
Do you look down on anyone else?
00:50:58.76\00:51:02.16
Do you perceive or believe or
imagine yourself to be morally
00:51:03.86\00:51:09.00
better than others?
00:51:09.30\00:51:11.60
--All the time, I'm just
being honest, all the time.
00:51:11.60\00:51:15.00
I go home after a day, shooting
table talk or doing whatever,
00:51:15.00\00:51:19.60
and I'm in a moment of
quietness, no one else is
00:51:19.60\00:51:23.46
around, I've called my wife,
I've checked in with my family,
00:51:23.46\00:51:26.26
I've done all the things I need
to do, I'm laying on my bed,
00:51:26.26\00:51:28.56
whatever, and I'm getting ready
to just go to sleep, and I'm
00:51:28.56\00:51:31.50
just communicating, just talking
to God, and he's talking to me.
00:51:31.50\00:51:34.90
And things are coming to my
mind that remind me that I have
00:51:34.90\00:51:38.10
trusted, -to some degree
or another, to some level or
00:51:38.10\00:51:41.46
another, in my own
righteousness, things that I
00:51:41.46\00:51:44.00
regret, things that I said,
things that, whatever they were,
00:51:44.00\00:51:46.20
that were in the context of
despising others, in the context
00:51:46.20\00:51:50.73
of belittling somebody else,
putting someone else down, and
00:51:50.73\00:51:53.33
that whole concept that goes
all the way back to Genesis of
00:51:53.33\00:51:56.36
pointing the finger, pointing
the finger, pointing the finger,
00:51:56.36\00:51:58.80
and therefore, wanting to
justify yourself, relying upon
00:51:58.80\00:52:01.30
yourself upon
something good in yourself.
00:52:01.30\00:52:03.00
It all just comes in like a
flood, and at that moment, and I
00:52:03.26\00:52:07.56
know we're not getting into this
here, not only do I feel that
00:52:07.56\00:52:10.70
utter depravity, that lostness,
but I also am pointed to the
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remedy.
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--Amen.
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Maybe we could just quickly read
through this parable because
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there's a lot, we've
quoted verse 9, which is Luke's
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introduction to the parable, but
there's some data in here that's
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only gonna buttress the
thing that we're talking about.
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Two men went up to the temple to
pray, one a Pharisee, the other
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a tax collector.
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The Pharisee stood up and said,
and prayed thus with himself,
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God I thank you that I am not
like other men, extortioners,
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unjust, adulterers, or
even like this tax collector.
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I fast twice a week, I give
tithes on all that I possess.
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And the tax collector, standing
afar off, would not so much
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raise his eyes to heaven,
but beat his breast saying,
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God be merciful to me, a sinner.
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Verse 14, Jesus evaluation, I
tell you, this man went down to
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his house, justified, rather
than the other, for everyone
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who, and this is where we've
been driving it the whole time,
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everything who exalts himself
will be humbled, and he who
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humbles himself will be exalted.
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--Jesus is a genius.
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--He was a relational genius.
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Psychological, he knew what
was, in fact the bible even says
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that, nobody had to tell him
what was in man, he knew what
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was in man.
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What I love about this and this
is, frankly, the review to me,
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and I so appreciate you being
vulnerable there, James, and
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being honest about your own
awareness of your shortcomings,
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so, too, with me.
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The deception, there's two
things we can keep coming back
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to again and again here, and
that is that sin is deceitful
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and violent.
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It's deceitful and violent.
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We see both here.
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No, there's no violence there,
oh, what are you talking about
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there's no violence there?
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Looking down on another,
despising another, again, is
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just in the continuum of...
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--Violence.
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--Absolutely, it
is violent behavior.
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Even, by the way, even
our own legal system says so.
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If you just yell at somebody,
saying, I'm gonna, and I'll do
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this, even if you don't ever
actually do it, that's assault,
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when you actually do the
physical punching, that's
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assault and battery.
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--A hate crime
would just be a comment.
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--Exactly.
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Now, there's the violent thing,
but look at the deceit thing.
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The guy is
completely self-deceived.
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God, I thank you.
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--That I am not like other men.
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--Yeah, he's deceived about,
number one, his own standing,
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number two, his
standing with God.
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So, here we have a situation
that is exactly the thing we've
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been describing that sin is
saturated with both violence and
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deception, self-deception,
which is the trickiest kind of
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deception.
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I think it was, somebody said
famously, the easiest person to
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fool is yourself.
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And this guy here, completely
self-deceived and Jesus
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evaluation is, if you go along
the line of self-exaltation,
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that train doesn't get off here,
you don't get off that train
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here, here, here, you
follow it to its logical end.
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You're the only one
left in the universe.
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You will even see to dethrone
God, which is the experiment
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that we're in the midst of now.
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--That's to Lucifer.
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--We don't say it like this,
though, we're so convoluted and
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self-deceived, we don't say,
I thank God that I'm not like
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other men, we say things like,
I can't believe she would do
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something like that.
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--It comes up in
this sort of pious gossip.
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--Wow, that's, how
could you do such a thing.
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The moment we say to somebody in
noticing their failure, I can't
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believe you would do such
a thing, or, worse yet, about
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them, outside of their presence,
we bely the fact that we
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ourselves are infected with
the sin problem so deeply that
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number one, that's how can
we so quickly discern and judge
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another, and secondly, we are
so deceived that we imagine we
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wouldn't do those things, but
the fact is, we would do those
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things.
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--It's like, look, you're in a
sinking boat, and then your line
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follows and, oh, me, too.
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---So am I. --Me too
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--That's a good place to close.
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