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In this conversation, we're
going to be talking about the
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humility of God.
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God is great.
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He's massive in power.
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He's omnipotent, omniscient,
omnipresent, and yet God is
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humble.
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He's condescending.
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He comes down.
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What we've been discovering from
scripture is this incredible
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idea of God's covenant
faithfulness, and now we've come
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to the Incarnation and the
cross, and we're going to, we're
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going to discover in scripture
that - that God coming down in
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humility and becoming a member
of the human race, and then
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going to the cross on our behalf
is the consummate demonstration
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of His covenant faithfulness.
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- Amen.
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- That's where we need to go.
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- When you say there that God is
big, and He's powerful, and He's
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all knowing, and yet
He's humble, it reminds me of
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something I've said
to people in the past.
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God is the only being in
the entire universe that has a
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native right to be proud...
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- And yet he's not.
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- And yet He's not.
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Because everybody else, you know
Paul says in the New Testament,
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why, what causes you to differ
from someone else, why would you
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be...it's not wise to compare
yourselves among yourselves
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because all of us are dependant
on something or someone and all
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ultimately dependant on
God for everything we have.
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The great things, our mind, our
money, our whatever the things
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we think we
could be proud about.
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Some people are proud
about their skin color.
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I don't understand that,
but everything that we have is
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because of something else,
and yet we're proud about it.
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But God is the one being in
the universe who doesn't get His
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attributes from any other
source, so He is the one being
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Who could be natively proud, and
yet He is the humblest being in
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the universe.
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- Oh, it's astounding.
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2 Timothy chapter 3 and verse
16 would be a good text to begin
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with.
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- I think that's great.
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- We need to - we need to
realize basically two things
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here from this text that
I think are just powerful.
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Um, 2 Timothy
3:16 or 1 Timothy 3:16?
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1 Timothy 3:16.
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Alright, 1 Timothy 3:16.
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This is talking about the
incarnation, and it says, and
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without controversy, great
is the mystery of Godliness.
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God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the spirit, seen by
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angels, preached among the
Gentiles, believed on in the
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world, received up in glory.
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Astounding.
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- James, you've
got the NIV there?
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How is it?
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What is it for the phrase there,
"for without controversy," verse
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16?
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- NIV says in 1 Timothy
3:16, beyond all question.
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- Yeah, ok.
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- Beyond all question.
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- That's his point.
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He's basically saying,
there's no doubt about it.
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That's how we'd say
it in modern vernacular.
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There's no doubt about it.
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- Can't question it.
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Can't argue about it.
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It's a mystery.
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- Great is the
mystery of godliness.
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And the first thing, because
God in Himself is a mystery.
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We don't understand fully, and
we've spent time on that, what
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it means to be God in His
nature, but the first thing that
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comes to Paul's mind when he
says, without a doubt, great is
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the mystery of
godliness, is this phrase here.
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God was manifested in the flesh,
and I would go out on a limb and
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hazard, I don't know for sure,
but that word there is probably
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carne or some derivative of
carne, which is "the flesh," so
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- so that right there is what we
mean when we say in-car-nation.
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The incarnation is God in His
Godness somehow condescending
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and choosing to become a man.
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- There's a nuance here, great
is the mystery of godliness.
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Great is the
mystery of what God is like.
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God
condescended to become human.
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That's not what
we're expecting from God.
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We're not expecting in our
general perceptions of what it
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would mean to be God.
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We perceive God as powerful
and elevated, and yet here Paul
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seems to be saying, there's
something about God that takes
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our breath away.
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There's something about God
that is just a great mystery.
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He came down.
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- That's right.
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- God became human.
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- Yeah, in fact, in the NIV
it goes on to describe just what
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you're trying to say, Ty.
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It says, beyond all question
the mystery from which true
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godliness springs is great.
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- What version is that?
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- NIV.
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- Oh, that's...
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- The mystery from which
true godliness springs is great.
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- That was
manifested in the flesh.
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God is modeling for us
what greatness looks like.
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- Yes.
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- Humility.
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- It's condescension.
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- Greatness is greatness
of character, not greatness of
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position.
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- And that's the opposite of
what we read about during the
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fall of Lucifer.
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- That's where I was just at.
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You got it.
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- Because the fall of Lucifer
is the is the exact opposite.
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- It's the inversion of reality
as God created reality to
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operate.
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- I think you dropped
Philippians 2, or somebody did,
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and showed the progression of
that in Philippians 2 Christ is
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condescending, condescending,
condescending, and you - you
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parallel that to the Ezekiel
28 and Isaiah 14 where, where
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Lucifer is seeking
to exalt, exalt, exalt.
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- Just as a reminder, what
happened in comparing those two
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scriptures, for those who
are sitting in on the discussion
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with us and on the conversation
with us, Isaiah 14 is, I will
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exalt myself, going up, up.
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I will ascend.
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I will sit on the mount of the
congregation, on the sides of
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the North, on the
farthest sides of the North.
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Up, up, up, and then the poem
concludes, yet you'll be brought
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down to the sides of the pit.
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- The lowest depths of the pit.
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- And then Philippians 2, by
comparison, by contrast, is the
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One who was equal with God
condescended, became nothing,
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down, down, down, down,
down, therefore He's exalted.
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- He's exalted, and
every knee bows down.
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Do you remember the distinction
we also made that in - in the
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text it says, he will
be like the Most High.
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- Yeah.
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- Which is God, and
then we said, wait a second.
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We've been describing how God is
love, God is love, God is love.
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Did this self-serving creature,
Lucifer, want to be love?
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- No.
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- And then we talked
about that, how he wanted...
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- The power of God.
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- The power without
God's character, so that's very
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profound there.
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- He wanted the position, and
you can be sure, we can be sure,
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that of the things that
Satan wanted, one of them was
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certainly not to
become a human being.
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To become flesh.
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God here, it says, great is the
mystery of godliness, that God
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would condescend, that He would
divest, and I think we should
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talk about that word
when we get to Philippians 2.
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That He would divest Himself.
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Satan's not into divestment.
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He's into investment.
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I want more.
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I wanna be greater.
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I wanna be grander, where God's
like, oh, do I need to go down?
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Do, oh, I need to go lower.
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Oh ok, I'll go.
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- Basically Satan's kingdom and
character is me, me, me, me, me,
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me, and God's kingdom and
character is you, you, you, you,
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you.
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That's the bottom line.
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- Can I introduce a verse
here in Hebrews chapter 2?
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I've always, ever since the
first time I read this, it's
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always just amazed me, because
in Hebrews 2 it talks about the
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condescension.
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We're talking about the
incarnation, carne, God becoming
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flesh, but in Hebrews 2 and
verse 9, and Ty I know these are
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favorites of yours as well, it
says, but we see Jesus who was
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made a little lower than
the angels for the suffering of
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death, crowned with glory and
honor that He, by the grace of
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God, might taste death for
everyone, and I always picture
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this idea where it says that
God condescends lower than the
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angels.
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In other words, there's three,
to my knowledge, there's three
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sort of categories of
beings, at least in scripture.
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I know there's other worlds and
so forth, but there's God, then
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there's the angelic
order, and there's humanity.
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Those are the three primary
orders in Scripture, and God
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skips through order number
2, and He stoops down to order
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number 1, meaning, that humanity
is now more closely linked with
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God than even angels would be
because we now share the flesh,
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we share humanity with God in a
way, in an intimacy, in a degree
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of intimacy that angels should
never be able to comprehend.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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It's astounding.
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The idea here is that humanity
has been incorporated into the
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Godhead.
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Not being elevated to divinity
in nature, but being elevated by
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the condescension and humanity
of Christ to become one with the
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triune Godhead in fellowship, in
the closest possible intimacy.
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- How old are the angels?
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Like how long have
the angels been around?
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I've always tried
to think about that.
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- I think it's been about...
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[laugher]
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- I was like
seriously, I was like, really?
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- Well, they predate human
beings according to Job 38.
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- We can say they've been
around for hundreds of years?
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- What?
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- Hundreds?
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- Thousands?
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- I'm- I'm testing.
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Thousands?
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- Sure.
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Yes.
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- Millions?
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Who knows?
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- Perhaps.
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- Here's my point.
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Here's my point.
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- Good, make it
because I'm not following you.
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- I've been around 30 years.
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- Serious?
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- Some of you
guys are much older.
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Some of you guys are about
a hundred years old, but...
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- You're looking good for 30.
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- I've been around for 30
years, but here's the thing.
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Is it possible that in my 30
years of existence because God
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has become part of this race,
I can enjoy and interaction and
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and intimacy with God that even
angels that have been around for
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hundreds, thousands, maybe even
millions of years would not be
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able to enter into
that type of experience.
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30 year compared
to millions of years.
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The difference is that
Jesus became part of my race.
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- He's your elder brother.
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- He's my elder brother.
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It's actually in Hebrews
2, right, the elder brother?
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- With perfect theological
accuracy, we can say that a
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full-fledged member of the
human race, right now, this very
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moment, is seated on the throne
of the universe at the right
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hand of God.
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- That's right.
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- A human being
is there right now.
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- The significance of this I
think is really brought out in
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Philippians chapter 2.
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- Awesome.
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- I'm going to read the NIV
because I haven't read this, I
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don't know ever, but
in a long time, for sure.
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- What, you're
still in Hebrews 2?
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- No, Philippians chapter 2.
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- You've never
read Philippians 2?
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- I've read it many times, but I
don't know if I've ever read it
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in the NIV.
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- Oh, ok.
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- And the NIV is really
unique, I think, to me anyway.
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To my understanding.
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It's talking here in verse 5.
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Let's start there.
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It says, in your relationships
with one another, have the same
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mindset as Christ Jesus, so
this is relational language.
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It's - it's, as we said in 1
Timothy 3:16, God is giving us
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an example of true godliness,
what it means to be godly, and
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then it goes on, it says, who,
talking about Christ, being in
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very nature God, did not
consider equality with God
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something to be used to His
own advantage, rather He made
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Himself nothing.
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He made himself nothing.
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You were talking
about the 3 spheres.
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There's God, there's angels,
there's man, and then there's
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fallen man, which is
man still, but fallen man.
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- That's a good point.
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- Yeah.
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- He didn't just come down
to Adam's perfect, Edenic...
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- And then, and then of course
in the fallen realm we have
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kings and queens and presidents
and we have, you know, I travel
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a lot, we have first class and
we have business class and we
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have economy. [laughter]
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And then we have the people who
get a ticket at the last minute
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and they're...
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- In coach.
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That's me.
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By the bathroom.
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- By the bathroom.
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[laughter]
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And it says here, He made
himself, because when I think
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about Jesus, I think about
the fact that He was born in...
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- A manger.
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- A manger.
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- A cattle feeding trough.
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- He made himself nothing.
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He went to the very lowest
of the low, and just, to me, I
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can't, I guess I can't relate
to that because I want business
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class.
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I want upgrades.
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I want something.
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I want premiere status.
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I want to go in the short line.
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- You have
premiere status, don't you?
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On United, anyway.
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[laughter]
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Can I build something into this?
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- Are you done
with Philippians 2.
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- No, I mean, I'm done with it,
but I just wanted to say that
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was the point.
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That was the point I
brought us there for.
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- Because there was
something even back in Hebrews.
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- Yeah, that's
where I wanted to go.
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I wanna go to Hebrews and
Philippians 2 but we - we rushed
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away from Hebrews before we
were done there, so go for it.
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- Well, just in Hebrews 2:9,
I just wanted to bring this out,
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and I love where you went there,
James, by the way, because
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that's a reminder that I need.
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I'm like you.
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I want the upgrade.
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I want the adoration.
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I want the attention.
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I wanna be, I, I, I....and
without this model of who, what
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real, um, the word is escaping
me, what real beauty looks like,
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is not when you're at the top,
but when you're at the bottom
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serving.
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So I need that.
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So, so in Hebrews 2:9, I
just love the word "that."
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Um, to me the whole
verse hinges on the word...
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- That's exactly what I was
going to emphasize, so love it.
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I'm glad we're there.
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- Well, then I'm going to defer.
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Let me defer to you.
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- No, I don't want you to defer.
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- I want to defer.
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- I don't want you to defer.
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- Ok, then I won't defer.
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- I'm just resonating.
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- I'll do it if you guys....
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- Hebrews 2:9, but we see Jesus,
who was made a little lower than
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the angels.
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Jeffery unpacked that.
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Now, for the suffering of death,
crowned for glory and honor
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"that" He by the grace of God
might taste death for everyone.
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- For the purpose of.
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- For the purpose of.
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- That's right.
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- God cannot die in His Godness.
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In fact, it says, for example in
John 1 verse 4, in Him was life.
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I mean, the very principle,
we talked about in the beginning
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how God is creative.
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God is relational.
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God creates, so God as God is
not gonna suffer a heart attack.
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He's not gonna have a stroke.
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God is not going
to die of old age.
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He was.
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He is, and He ever will
be, so how is God ever going to
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experience entropy?
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How is He going
to experience aging?
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How's He going to experience
thirst and hunger and temptation
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and suffering
and ultimately death?
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But now, this is where James is
going, not just to first class
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death.
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Not even a business class
death, but the coach death.
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The death of the cross.
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He has to become a man because
God as God is not subject to
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death.
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He becomes a man
"that" He can taste death.
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- So - so we could say this way
I think, that the incarnation
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was the necessary bridge
that God traversed to get to the
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cross.
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He submitted Himself by virtue
of the incarnation to a set of
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parameters and limitations that
would render His sacrifice on
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the cross real,
genuine, and authentic.
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- As a real human.
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Yeah.
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- That's right.
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So, so , so that's the bridge.
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In Paul's theology, in biblical
theology, the idea is that the
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incarnation and the death of
Jesus on the cross are vitally
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linked.
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- Of course.
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- One occurs in order that...
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- That the other might occur.
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- Yeah, that the
other might occur.
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It's an amazing
bridge of understanding.
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So, having made that point
in Hebrews chapter 2, go back to
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Philippians, and see what you
guys think of this, where, and I
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really appreciate the fact that
James read from the NIV there.
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The NIV misses the mark, as all
translations do on some points
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and then nails it on others, in
the New King James version, it
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says, the one who being, verse
6, being in the form of God did
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not consider it robbery to be
equal with God but made Himself
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of no reputation.
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That's pretty hard language to
wrap your mind around, but the
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word that is here translated
"no reputation" in the NIV is
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translated "nothing," and it's a
Greek word, keno, and it means,
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"to empty."
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So that's a great translation.
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It means to - to empty
the content of something.
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This is amazing because the -
the content that makes God the -
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the being that He is
falls into 2 basic categories.
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There is the character of God
that makes God who God is, and
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the nature of God that makes God
who God is, and then there are
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abilities and powers that - that
go along with that status as
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God.
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The Phillips translation
does something fascinating here.
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It renders...
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- I love that
translation, by the way.
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- Yeah, it renders the idea of
keno, or kenosis, no reputation
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or made himself nothing, as He
laid aside His divine privileges
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and prerogatives.
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In other words, He's - He's
choosing by the incarnation to
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put into a remission or in
an inactive state certain powers
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that are native to equality with
God, and we put these in 3 basic
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categories, and they are what
we sometimes refer to as the
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omni's.
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God is omnipotent.
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God is omniscient, and God is
omnipresent, and these are the
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abilities, the powers, that
according to the testimony of
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the Gospel accounts, Jesus laid
aside on our behalf in order for
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the cross to become an authentic
experience, and there's evidence
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for this in scripture.
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It seems so enormous
that it's unbelievable.
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We think, no that can't, really?
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Did He really
come down that far?
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Did He lay aside omnipotence?
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Well, Jesus Himself testified.
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He said in John 5:30, I can
of mine own self do nothing.
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- Same word there.
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Nothing.
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I don't know if it's the same
Greek word, but it's the same
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idea.
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- Yeah.
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So, if Jesus is, we see Him
performing miracles and raising
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the dead, the question is,
is He exercising His own native
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omnipotence to heal the
sick and raise the dead?
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Or is He utilizing and tapping
into the omnipotence of the
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Father as a human being?
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Later on...
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- That we all have access to.
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That we all have access to.
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- Yeah!
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Peter and Paul healed
the sick and raised the dead.
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They're not natively omnipotent.
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They were tapping into
the omnipotence of the Father.
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What's fascinating because
in Acts chapter 2 it says that
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Jesus did many signs and
wonders, comma, which God did
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through Him.
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So, so we're witnessing the
Father's omnipotence on display
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through Jesus the human
begin, so He laid aside His
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omnipotence.
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So, what about omniscience?
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The Bible says in
Luke's account of the Gospel...
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- We should break
down what that even means.
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- Omniscience means to
know everything, of course.
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Omniscience.
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Omnipotence, all power,
and omniscience, all knowing.
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To know everything.
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And Luke's Gospel says, of
Jesus, that the child grew in
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knowledge, as well
as in stature, it says.
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Stature meaning, biologically
He grew up and went through
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phases...
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- But He grew up
intellectually as well.
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- But, but He
grew intellectually.
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He grew, He grew
in His knowledge.
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That He learned things.
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Things came to be known by Him.
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Now, that's not a
description of omniscience.
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God never, never learns
anything in His omniscience.
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He never has an ah-ha moment.
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God never, ever says, whoa,
I never thought of that before.
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The fact is that Jesus
is in a different state now.
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He's in a
different state of being.
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He's laid aside these omni's and
it's an incredible humility and
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condescension.
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- Maybe that's why He says in
Matthew 24 and verse 36, but of
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the day and the hour knoweth
no man, no not the angels of
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heaven, but my Father only.
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- Yeah, that's right.
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So, we're going to
take a quick break here.
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Ty, you've unpacked omnipotent
and omniscient, but I want you
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to speak when we come back even
to the issue of omnipresence.
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- Ok.
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- And, we're going to talk just
here in our break about, um, a
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school that we all teach at,
uh, Arise Australia is our new
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school, and Arise here in
America has been running just
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over a decade, and
it's a great program.
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We've had hundreds of people,
young and old alike come and be
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trained at that, and so we're
gonna see a little short on
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that.
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- Amen.
00:20:22.63\00:20:23.83
- ARISE originally started
from an acronym and it was a A
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Resource Institute for
Soul-Winning and Evangelism.
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So we see ourselves not only
as a Bible-working, training,
00:20:35.13\00:20:38.63
evangelism ministry, but as as
something more rounded and more
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beautiful and more biblical.
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A discipleship ministry where
that sharing, that ministry,
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that evangelism grows out
of a rock solid, faith-based
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relationship with Jesus Christ.
00:20:51.36\00:20:53.43
[music]
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- Since I got here to ARISE,
I have been captivated since day
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one.
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The teaching and
instruction has been phenomenal.
00:21:02.10\00:21:03.70
God has truly blessed us, um,
in giving us both practical and
00:21:03.70\00:21:06.36
theoretical, um, guidance, that
we may, as Bible workers go out
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and do a good work for the Lord.
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- The program is very practical
because not only do you get the
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classroom instruction, but
we deliberately designed the
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program in such a way that the
students are out on the streets
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and in the homes.
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- The reality is, is that every
single year that our students go
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door to door, they encounter
people that would otherwise
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never ever step foot
in a church anywhere.
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- There's 24 students here and
240 contacts have been made by
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knocking on doors.
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- So the students are
out knocking on doors making
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contacts with people in the
community to lead them to the
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mission where they'll
hear the Gospel preached by an
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evangelist.
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- And so we have the freedom to
choose how and when we worship,
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right?
00:21:53.56\00:21:54.56
So, there is no
enforced Sunday observance yet.
00:21:54.56\00:21:58.40
- It's been a real privilege to
be a part of the crusades and to
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put into practice that which
we are learning, and to see what
00:22:02.00\00:22:05.13
God is doing in our lives
putting into practice, and in
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the lives of those
which we are reaching out to.
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it's been my joy to pray with
people, to go visit with people,
00:22:11.60\00:22:14.76
to see people from the doors
that we've been knocking on
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getting baptized.
00:22:17.30\00:22:18.56
- We just reached the end of the
18 meetings that we've had here.
00:22:18.56\00:22:22.20
The first ARISE mission that's
been run here in Australia.
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Um, the students have been
involved in door knocking, Bible
00:22:25.80\00:22:29.40
studies, reaching people at the
mission, and it's been such a
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great success.
00:22:32.93\00:22:34.20
- God has been so good to me
in giving me this opportunity to
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learn more about Him, the one
who I desire to be like, the one
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who I desire to serve all the
days of my life, and whether He
00:22:41.20\00:22:44.80
wants me to do a medical
profession, whether He wants me
00:22:44.80\00:22:47.76
to do anything, I know
that I've been planted on a sure
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foundation, and
that's upon His Word.
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[Music]
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So, basically ARISE is a
discipleship training school.
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I'm just rejoicing to be a part
of it, and uh, the students are
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just a blessing to interact
with, and uh, the school now in
00:23:07.46\00:23:13.50
Australia is giving us an
opportunity to - to basically
00:23:13.50\00:23:17.23
train young people, or people
of any age, to understand the
00:23:17.23\00:23:21.06
scriptures and to really become
a vibrant genuine witness for
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Christ in whatever their
vocation happens to be that
00:23:26.26\00:23:28.76
they're pursuing in life.
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So, praise God.
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- James just got
back from the graduation.
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- ARISE Australia.
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- In ARISE Australia.
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I just got an email from Matt
Parr this morning, and he said,
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and he's been to probably seven
or eight ARISE commissionings
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and graduations, and he said,
uh, in the email he just sent
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this morning that this one that
you were just at was a 10 out of
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10, and he said he was crying,
he just couldn't, he was just
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crying, and uh...
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- Jim just sent an email that
said, um, this side of heaven,
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what was it?
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- It doesn't get
any better than this.
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[laughter]
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- Yeah.
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- Praise God.
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Beautiful.
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That was such a beautiful class.
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All the classes are beautiful,
but that inaugural class in
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Australia, man
they were special.
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- It was powerful.
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God's Spirit was there.
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- Well, speaking of Australia,
one of the fascinating things
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I've encountered there on
my various trips is t-shirts in
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stores and hats and bumper
stickers that say something very
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fascinating.
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Welcome to the top of the world.
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- Right.
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- Because, they're called
down under, and we live in the
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northern hemisphere.
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They live in the
southern hemisphere, and they're
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basically making the point that
really in the larger scheme of
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things in space, who's to say
who's on the top and who's on
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the bottom.
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[laughter]
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- I just said that to
someone the other day.
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Somebody's response to me was,
they said, oh that's obvious
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because the compass points to
magnetic north, and I said, well
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why couldn't we just have said,
the compass points to magnetic
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south.
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- Because it does.
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[laugher]
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- Well, but, just call north,
south, and say that's the top
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and it always goes to the bottom
and then we're off to the races.
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- It's rather arbitrary, but in
the character and kingdom of God
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it's not arbitrary.
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The fact is that in God's
character the way to up is down,
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the top is the
bottom, the bottom is the top.
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- The first shall be last.
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The last shall be first.
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- That's right.
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- And we all sense and
know what the bottom is.
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We were talking about
that in relation to travel.
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I was thinking about that
in coach class bathrooms, and
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another thought
came to me and that is...
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- We're still in the plane.
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- Well, notice what it says here
in Philippians 2, one little
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statement here...
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- I'm never gonna read
this verse again the same.
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I will always be thinking...
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- He made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a
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servant.
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- Yeah.
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It's as if he's saying, right
there, welcome to the top of the
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world.
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- When I'm on that plane,
there's one person that's in the
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back by the bathroom, there's
one person that's still lower
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than me.
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They don't even have a seat.
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They give them a jump seat,
and that is the stewardess, the
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servant.
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- Wow, you're
really unpacking this.
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- The one that
is there to serve.
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- You see the Gospel
in this entire experience.
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- I see the Gospel on the
plane too, actually, because I'm
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always big on online check-in.
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Always make sure you got
a good seat before, right?
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But people don't do that, people
just show up and they get their
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thing and just...
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- That's me.
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- Blows my mind.
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I don't understand it.
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- Oh, I do that too.
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I'm with ya.
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I'm with ya.
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- So, I got to all this trouble.
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- Some of us are more oriented
towards self and more self
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serving and we
want to make sure...
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- But watch this amazing
condescension on my behalf.
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Watch this.
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- Ok.
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On your behalf?
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Look at his humility.
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Look at his humility.
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- Watch my humility
just exude from here.
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So I go through all this trouble
to get the proper seat, and
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I'm sitting down and I'm
so, I'm so thankful, and I see
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people all, you know,
complaining at the seat, they
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got the middle seat, and I'm
like, that's your bad, right?
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So then, then the flight...
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- Cause you're a Christian.
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The heart of a true Christian.
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[laughter]
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- That's what I was gonna say.
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- My Christianity's
coming up here in a second.
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Then the flight attendant comes
and says, sir, uh, I'm sorry
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to interrupt you, but, and then
she goes on to explain to me
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that there's a lady who has back
pain who got the middle seat,
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and she's saying, do you mind?
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And I say, so what
other seats are available?
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A middle seat in the back.
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And I'm like, [sucking in air]
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...
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- Take a deep breath.
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- Lord Jesus, soften my heart.
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- Recite Philippians 2.
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- Philippians chapter 2.
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[laughter]
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- So, so that's Jesus, man.
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So He...
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- He gets up.
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- He gets up, you know, and
He takes the back seat, knowing
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that had the other, had we, had
she checked in she would have
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avoided that.
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It was her fault, not my
fault, and yet you're in that
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situation, so I gotta admit that
it was a great joy to be able to
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say, absolutely, and see her
face like, thank you so much.
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- I'm basking right now in
the radiance of your humility.
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[laughter]
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- So, no, no, but, correction,
that was Jesus shining through
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me.
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- Ok.
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- That's what it was.
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- Christ's humility in you.
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- Love it.
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Love it.
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- Hey, we were in
Philippians chapter 2.
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- You were
finishing up the omni's.
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Could you do that for us?
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- Yeah, so we were basically
saying that - that Jesus in
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becoming human laid aside
His divine prerogatives and
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privileges.
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That's the language of
the Phillips translation.
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In the NIV, it's, He
made Himself nothing.
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That's - that's amazing in
and of, made Himself nothing, He
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became a servant, and it goes on
and it tells us that the reason
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He did that is so He could
suffer at the cross, even the
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death of the cross.
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So, we went through omnipotence,
and we saw in chapter 5 verse 30
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in the Gospel of John that Jesus
testified of Mine own self I can
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do nothing.
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Then we saw regarding
omniscience, or all knowing...
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- He grew in wisdom...
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- Yeah, he grew in wisdom...
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- Yeah, get to omnipresence,
you've been over this.
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Get to omnipresence.
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- Omnipresence.
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Calm down.
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Calm down.
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Omnipresence is the hardest
one biblically, in my opinion.
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Uh, but I do see that there
was the experience of Mary with
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Jesus post resurrection,
and that's part of what makes it
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hard for me, where He says
to her as she's holding Him, He
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says, detain me not
for I have, do you...
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- For I have not yet
ascended to My Father.
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- For I have not yet
ascended to the Father.
00:28:51.56\00:28:53.00
That's - that's
a space statement.
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That's a location statement.
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That's a presence statement, and
Jesus is essentially saying, I'm
00:28:56.43\00:29:00.70
right here with
you, Mary, right now.
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I'm not with the Father.
00:29:02.36\00:29:04.16
I haven't seen the Father yet.
00:29:04.16\00:29:06.10
I haven't
ascended to the Father.
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I'm right here,
right now with you.
00:29:07.80\00:29:12.06
- So, there's geographical
restriction there, right?
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there's actually another one
that's really, really blatant in
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John 16 - Yep, John 16.
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- Where Jesus is speaking to His
disciples and He's basically, He
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says something and
they're just like, what?
00:29:25.53\00:29:27.60
In verse 7 He says, nevertheless
I tell you the truth, it is to
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your advantage that I leave you.
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And you can just imagine...
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- That must have sounded like...
00:29:37.50\00:29:38.63
- What?
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That's like telling your wife,
sweetie, I'm not gonna see you
00:29:39.90\00:29:41.93
again, um, but trust me.
00:29:41.93\00:29:43.73
It's for your own good.
00:29:43.73\00:29:44.93
It's like, what do you mean?
00:29:44.93\00:29:46.40
And then it continues, because
if I do not go away, the Helper
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will not come to you.
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But if I depart, I
will send Him to you.
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I think that's kind of
what you're saying there.
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There seems, there's a message
here of Jesus is acknowledging
00:29:55.73\00:29:58.26
that He has become so one with
humanity that there's something
00:29:58.26\00:30:01.50
going on with the
whole omnipresent thing.
00:30:01.50\00:30:04.40
- Right.
00:30:04.40\00:30:05.53
Right, well I think the
point is that this renders His
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temptations in the wilderness
and His experience at the cross,
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in fact His whole experience
as a human being, it renders it
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authentic.
00:30:16.56\00:30:17.33
It's real.
00:30:17.33\00:30:18.60
In other words, He's not - He's
not apparently going through a
00:30:18.60\00:30:24.20
temptation or a struggle or a
sacrifice as a projection or as
00:30:24.20\00:30:30.70
a charade or something that's
just for us to look at and say,
00:30:30.70\00:30:34.00
oh it, that, it
looks like He's suffering.
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It looks like He's tempted,
but we all know, wink, nod,
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theologically, no, no, the
whole time He's transcending the
00:30:40.46\00:30:43.86
suffering.
00:30:43.86\00:30:45.36
He's
transcending the temptation.
00:30:45.36\00:30:46.60
He's not transcending it.
00:30:46.60\00:30:47.86
He's actually experiencing it.
00:30:47.86\00:30:50.06
- It's real.
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There was an early, one of the
early Christian heresies that
00:30:51.33\00:30:53.73
the Church had to grapple
with at the end of the second,
00:30:53.73\00:30:55.90
beginning of the third century
was a heresy called Docetism,
00:30:55.90\00:30:58.76
and the word basically comes
from the Greek word that means
00:30:58.76\00:31:03.10
"to seem."
00:31:03.10\00:31:04.36
To seem or to appear, and I'll
just read here just a quick, uh,
00:31:04.36\00:31:08.80
description of
what Docetism was.
00:31:08.80\00:31:11.03
It's exactly what
you're describing.
00:31:11.03\00:31:13.00
This is from Wikipedia.
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It says, the doctrine according
to which the phenomenon of
00:31:14.20\00:31:16.60
Christ, His historical and
bodily existence, and thus above
00:31:16.60\00:31:21.30
all, the human form of Jesus
was all together mere semblance
00:31:21.30\00:31:25.36
without any true reality.
00:31:25.36\00:31:28.46
Broadly it is taken that Jesus
only seemed to be human, and
00:31:28.46\00:31:32.50
that His physical body was a
phantasm, which just means a -
00:31:32.50\00:31:36.10
an apparition.
00:31:36.10\00:31:37.70
- A phantom.
00:31:37.70\00:31:38.96
- A - a - a - like a projection,
and there were very good reasons
00:31:38.96\00:31:42.06
for this in - in the uh early
church because they were so
00:31:42.06\00:31:47.26
saturated, as we are in
different ways today, with Greek
00:31:47.26\00:31:49.20
thinking, with Greek ideas,
and one of those Greek ideas was
00:31:49.20\00:31:52.43
that God was just pure
existence, pure being, and in
00:31:52.43\00:31:55.46
that sense fundamentally
different from, cut off from and
00:31:55.46\00:31:59.26
non-integrated
with the material world.
00:31:59.26\00:32:03.70
- The Gnostics
were into that, yeah?
00:32:03.70\00:32:06.30
- Well, Docetism was part, was a
kind of Gnosticism, so the idea
00:32:06.30\00:32:09.06
here is, well that
couldn't really have been...
00:32:09.06\00:32:11.56
- God wouldn't do that!
00:32:11.56\00:32:13.03
- And not only that He
wouldn't, but He couldn't.
00:32:13.03\00:32:14.80
Yeah, that's right.
00:32:14.80\00:32:15.70
That it was a projection.
00:32:15.70\00:32:16.96
So your point is awesome here,
that scripture doesn't treat the
00:32:16.96\00:32:19.80
incarnation that way.
00:32:19.80\00:32:21.16
The scripture says, no, no, no,
no, He was really tempted in all
00:32:21.16\00:32:24.73
point for the purpose of
suffering so that He, and I
00:32:24.73\00:32:27.63
think you're exactly on.
00:32:27.63\00:32:29.20
The reason for all this is
not just little, theological
00:32:29.20\00:32:32.20
details.
00:32:32.20\00:32:33.33
It's so that He could experience
that which He couldn't
00:32:33.33\00:32:35.36
experience if He remained
aloof from us in heaven.
00:32:35.36\00:32:37.73
- If it were a projection, God
would be the ultimate hypocrite.
00:32:37.73\00:32:40.43
God would be the ultimate actor
whose basically telling us a
00:32:40.43\00:32:45.46
lie.
00:32:45.46\00:32:46.70
- Yeah, and if Jesus didn't
become human, if He remained God
00:32:46.70\00:32:48.33
and didn't become
human, He couldn't be tempted.
00:32:48.33\00:32:50.33
James says that
God can't be tempted.
00:32:50.33\00:32:52.50
- Yeah, he cannot be
tempted with evil, that's right.
00:32:52.50\00:32:55.90
- But He was literally tempted.
00:32:55.90\00:32:57.70
- Can we go to Matthew 4?
00:32:57.70\00:32:58.80
Can we do that?
00:32:58.80\00:33:00.26
- Yes.
00:33:00.26\00:33:00.83
Let's go there.
00:33:00.83\00:33:01.93
- Um, Ty, I love, by
the way, what you just said.
00:33:01.93\00:33:03.20
Absolutely love what you just
said about if He was, if it was
00:33:03.20\00:33:04.70
a projection, and if He was
just pretending, then God is...
00:33:04.70\00:33:10.93
- The ultimate hypocrite.
00:33:10.93\00:33:13.93
- He's the ultimate hypocrite
because check...that's actually
00:33:13.93\00:33:16.46
what the word hypocrite means,
as you know, to act, but check
00:33:16.46\00:33:18.10
this out.
00:33:18.10\00:33:19.33
Even actors in a movie, when
an actor is acting in a movie,
00:33:19.33\00:33:21.53
whatever movie star, or a guy
or a girl, we all know and they
00:33:21.53\00:33:25.43
know, there's an agreed upon
awareness, that's not really who
00:33:25.43\00:33:28.66
they are.
00:33:28.66\00:33:29.56
They're pretending, right?
00:33:29.56\00:33:30.70
So, so we give them a pass,
so to speak, but if God was
00:33:30.70\00:33:33.73
pretending all
along, but not letting on.
00:33:33.73\00:33:37.83
Oh, no, no, pretending like it's
real, but actually...in other
00:33:37.83\00:33:41.26
words, if that's what was
going on behind the curtain,
00:33:41.26\00:33:43.50
Wizard of Oz style, so to speak,
well then, what kind of a God is
00:33:43.50\00:33:45.33
that anyway?
00:33:45.33\00:33:48.13
That is outright deception, and
that is, runs exactly against
00:33:48.13\00:33:52.10
the grain and against the
character of what we've been
00:33:52.10\00:33:53.90
learning about
God up to this point.
00:33:53.90\00:33:55.16
- Did the disciples struggle
believing that it was actually
00:33:55.16\00:33:57.93
Him and it was the real thing?
00:33:57.93\00:33:59.36
- Of course they did!
00:33:59.36\00:34:00.70
Of course they did!
00:34:00.70\00:34:01.93
- When He appeared to them,
didn't He say like, didn't He
00:34:01.93\00:34:04.20
say, uh, anybody got any fish?
00:34:04.20\00:34:05.43
- Yeah.
00:34:05.43\00:34:06.23
- Yeah.
00:34:06.23\00:34:06.80
- Anybody got any fish?
00:34:06.80\00:34:07.56
- This was post resurrection.
00:34:07.56\00:34:08.70
- Yeah, post resurrection.
00:34:08.70\00:34:09.76
Yeah, yeah.
00:34:09.76\00:34:10.70
- Touch Me and see
this is flesh and blood.
00:34:10.70\00:34:11.86
- Anybody got any food?
00:34:11.86\00:34:13.26
This is the real thing.
00:34:13.26\00:34:14.53
- Jeffrey, it's the real thing
after the resurrection, so this
00:34:14.53\00:34:15.80
loops back to the point that you
made back at the beginning of
00:34:15.80\00:34:18.43
our conversation, and that is
that He's retained our humanity.
00:34:18.43\00:34:20.96
- Yeah.
00:34:20.96\00:34:22.43
- Jesus didn't take our humanity
into the grave and then come out
00:34:22.43\00:34:26.23
of the grave in the resurrection
having laid it aside.
00:34:26.23\00:34:29.93
He came out of the grave as much
a human being as He went into
00:34:29.93\00:34:33.83
the grave, with a glorified
body, yes, but as much a human
00:34:33.83\00:34:38.30
being as He went into the grave,
and He took that very humanity
00:34:38.30\00:34:41.00
to the highest heavens, and He's
there right now, a member of the
00:34:41.00\00:34:45.70
human race.
00:34:45.70\00:34:46.50
Our brother.
00:34:46.50\00:34:47.16
A member of the human race.
00:34:47.16\00:34:48.60
- God is also a
member of the human race.
00:34:48.60\00:34:50.66
- One of my favorite authors
uses the language that - that
00:34:50.66\00:34:54.30
heaven, or that humanity
is enshrined in the bosom of
00:34:54.30\00:34:58.30
heaven, or something like that.
00:34:58.30\00:34:59.90
- Bosom of divinity.
00:34:59.90\00:35:01.06
- Yeah, it's enshrined.
00:35:01.06\00:35:03.46
That - that the picture frame
around the humanity of Christ is
00:35:03.46\00:35:06.13
divinity.
00:35:06.13\00:35:07.40
He is God and, you called Him
earlier, the God-man, and you
00:35:07.40\00:35:09.13
use that language, that's
like our own invented word but
00:35:09.13\00:35:12.70
because it's a, it's a new
novel, unique reality, what else
00:35:12.70\00:35:16.70
are you gonna call it?
00:35:16.70\00:35:18.43
He's God.
00:35:18.43\00:35:19.83
He's man.
00:35:19.83\00:35:20.50
He's the God-man.
00:35:20.50\00:35:22.06
- It's a mystery.
00:35:22.06\00:35:23.33
- So, so in Matthew 4, we have
here the three temptations, and
00:35:23.33\00:35:26.20
I don't know how much depth you
want to go into here, but the
00:35:26.20\00:35:28.46
fact that the Bible
calls these temptations.
00:35:28.46\00:35:31.56
I'll just read here verse 1, now
Jesus was let up by the Spirit
00:35:31.56\00:35:33.83
into the wilderness to be
tempted by the devil, and when
00:35:33.83\00:35:37.10
He had fasted 40 days
and 40 nights, there's huge
00:35:37.10\00:35:39.23
significance there, we won't get
into right now, afterward he was
00:35:39.23\00:35:41.60
hungry.
00:35:41.60\00:35:42.73
That's one of the great
understatements of the Bible,
00:35:42.73\00:35:44.43
um, then he answered and, but
ok, so now, if you are the Son
00:35:44.43\00:35:49.56
of God, command these
stone to be made bread.
00:35:49.56\00:35:51.50
He says, it is written, man
shall live, um, not by bread
00:35:51.50\00:35:54.40
alone, but by every word that
proceeds out of the mouth of
00:35:54.40\00:35:56.16
God.
00:35:56.16\00:35:57.43
Then the second temptation, it
says here that um, if you're the
00:35:57.43\00:36:00.30
Son of God then throw yourself
down because it's written that
00:36:00.30\00:36:02.56
the angels will
take care of you.
00:36:02.56\00:36:03.43
I'm just summarizing here.
00:36:03.43\00:36:04.66
Verse 7, it is written again,
you shall not tempt the Lord
00:36:04.66\00:36:07.36
your God.
00:36:07.36\00:36:08.60
Verse 8, now again the devil
took Him on an exceedingly high
00:36:08.60\00:36:09.93
mountain and showed Him all the
kingdoms of the world and their
00:36:09.93\00:36:11.66
glory and said to Him, all these
things I will give you if you
00:36:11.66\00:36:14.56
will fall down and worship me.
00:36:14.56\00:36:16.30
Then Jesus said, away from me.
00:36:16.30\00:36:17.56
Away with you, Satan, for it is
written, you shall worship the
00:36:17.56\00:36:19.93
Lord your God with, you shall
worship the Lord your God and
00:36:19.93\00:36:22.26
Him only shall you serve.
00:36:22.26\00:36:23.53
Then the devil left Him, now,
here's the thing I want to bring
00:36:23.53\00:36:25.10
out.
00:36:25.10\00:36:26.36
I'd be very interested to see if
you guys have some insights here
00:36:26.36\00:36:26.96
too.
00:36:26.96\00:36:28.23
Each of these three temptations,
first of all, the lust of the
00:36:28.23\00:36:31.23
flesh, the lust of the
eyes, and the pride of life.
00:36:31.23\00:36:32.73
The very same temptation...
00:36:32.73\00:36:34.40
- Good point, from 1 John there.
00:36:34.40\00:36:35.70
- 1 John chapter 2.
00:36:35.70\00:36:36.80
Lust of the flesh, lust
of the eyes, pride of life.
00:36:36.80\00:36:39.43
Now check this out, each
temptation was a legitimate,
00:36:39.43\00:36:44.56
Satan tapped into a legitimate
desire on behalf of Satan, but
00:36:44.56\00:36:50.30
to access that legitimate
desire in an illegitimate way.
00:36:50.30\00:36:53.40
- On behalf of Christ.
00:36:53.40\00:36:54.43
A legitimate desire
on behalf of Christ.
00:36:54.43\00:36:56.33
- Yeah, so for example.
00:36:56.33\00:36:57.26
- A legitimate
desire on behalf of Christ.
00:36:57.26\00:36:59.50
- Ok, so maybe I
can just say it...
00:36:59.50\00:37:01.60
- Christ had a
legitimate desire.
00:37:01.60\00:37:03.03
- Christ's
desire were legitimate.
00:37:03.03\00:37:04.13
- Yes.
00:37:04.13\00:37:05.40
- So, for example, being hungry
after having not eaten for 40
00:37:05.40\00:37:07.56
days is a legitimate desire,
but Satan's desire was not to
00:37:07.56\00:37:10.70
satisfy an illegitimate desire,
but a legitimate desire in an
00:37:10.70\00:37:14.10
illegitimate way.
00:37:14.10\00:37:15.56
The second temptation, cast
yourself down from the temple.
00:37:15.56\00:37:18.36
Everyone will see
that you're supernatural.
00:37:18.36\00:37:20.60
They'll follow you.
00:37:20.60\00:37:21.70
You'll be a messiah figure.
00:37:21.70\00:37:23.63
That's appealing to a natural,
legitimate desire in the heart
00:37:23.63\00:37:26.83
of Jesus to be followed as the
Messiah, but he says, fulfill it
00:37:26.83\00:37:30.60
in an illegitimate way.
00:37:30.60\00:37:32.30
And the third temptation, all
the kingdoms of the earth I will
00:37:32.30\00:37:35.50
give you.
00:37:35.50\00:37:36.20
That was what Jesus wanted.
00:37:36.20\00:37:37.63
- That's what He came for.
00:37:37.63\00:37:38.93
- So in each instance,
it's a legitimate temptation, a
00:37:38.93\00:37:41.93
legitimate temptation, but
always to go about it in an
00:37:41.93\00:37:46.16
illegitimate way.
00:37:46.16\00:37:47.96
- And isn't that exactly what
happened in Genesis chapter 3?
00:37:47.96\00:37:51.00
With Eve.
00:37:51.00\00:37:51.86
You just broke
down 3 categories there.
00:37:51.86\00:37:54.46
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:37:54.46\00:37:55.66
- It almost seems like, in
Genesis chapter 3 it tells us
00:37:55.66\00:37:59.60
that Adam and Eve were tempted
with the fruit on the tree, and
00:37:59.60\00:38:03.46
then they fell, and
then verse 15 the promise.
00:38:03.46\00:38:05.23
The promise in verse 15 is
telling us that at some point in
00:38:05.23\00:38:09.33
history the Messiah will come
and nail it where she failed.
00:38:09.33\00:38:13.00
Be victorious where she failed,
so three temptations, and 1 John
00:38:13.00\00:38:17.36
chapter 2, you said
that you were quoting from...
00:38:17.36\00:38:21.03
- 14, 15, 16.
00:38:21.03\00:38:22.03
- It's 3 categories...
00:38:22.03\00:38:23.26
- 15, 16, 17.
00:38:23.26\00:38:24.16
- Yeah.
00:38:24.16\00:38:25.43
- And those 3 categories, I'm
just saying, you can see that in
00:38:25.43\00:38:27.60
Genesis 3.
00:38:27.60\00:38:28.56
It's almost like
repeat and enlarge.
00:38:28.56\00:38:29.86
History repeats itself.
00:38:29.86\00:38:31.06
- In other words, not the
legitimate desire part, but the
00:38:31.06\00:38:32.86
3 temptation part.
00:38:32.86\00:38:34.30
- Yeah, he's approaching
at three different angles.
00:38:34.30\00:38:36.03
- Lust of the flesh, lust
of the eyes, pride of life.
00:38:36.03\00:38:38.50
- Is there
anything fascinating.....
00:38:38.50\00:38:40.53
- Which is what she was
tempted with, in other words.
00:38:40.53\00:38:42.30
- That's right.
00:38:42.30\00:38:43.56
- She was tempted with the lust
of the flesh, lust of the eyes,
00:38:43.56\00:38:45.00
and pride of
life to be like God.
00:38:45.00\00:38:46.96
- Desire, because it says that
the fruit would make you become
00:38:46.96\00:38:49.46
wise.
00:38:49.46\00:38:50.16
- It looked good to the eyes.
00:38:50.16\00:38:50.93
Right, make one wise.
00:38:50.93\00:38:51.70
Good to the eating.
00:38:51.70\00:38:52.43
- You'll be like God.
00:38:52.43\00:38:53.20
- You'll be like God.
00:38:53.20\00:38:54.46
I love, before we move on here,
I just love it here where Satan
00:38:54.46\00:38:56.16
makes an offer to Jesus, and
he says, the glory of all the
00:38:56.16\00:38:59.56
kingdoms, I will, all the
kingdoms of the world, I will
00:38:59.56\00:39:02.53
give this to you if you...so
this is interesting because
00:39:02.53\00:39:05.63
Satan is claiming ownership of
all the kingdoms of the world,
00:39:05.63\00:39:10.36
so when Jesus comes into this
world in, in the incarnation,
00:39:10.36\00:39:14.30
He's stepping into...
00:39:14.30\00:39:15.63
- Satan's territory.
00:39:15.63\00:39:17.53
- Satan's territory.
00:39:17.53\00:39:18.36
He's coming to reclaim...
00:39:18.36\00:39:19.33
- Enemy occupied territory.
00:39:19.33\00:39:20.43
- Enemy occupied territory.
00:39:20.43\00:39:21.66
- Luke's Gospel renders it a
little bit different and expands
00:39:21.66\00:39:25.03
the idea, um, in verse 6
of chapter 4, 4 verse 6 of the
00:39:25.03\00:39:29.40
Gospel of Luke.
00:39:29.40\00:39:30.80
All this authority I will give
you and their glory, for this
00:39:30.80\00:39:32.33
has been delivered to me.
00:39:32.33\00:39:33.93
- That's right.
00:39:33.93\00:39:35.10
- So the, for this has
been delivered to me part is
00:39:35.10\00:39:37.43
referring back to
the Fall in Genesis 3.
00:39:37.43\00:39:40.00
- We delivered it to him
because we were given dominion.
00:39:40.00\00:39:41.70
- Human beings were given the
stewardship of the earth, were
00:39:41.70\00:39:44.73
given the earth.
00:39:44.73\00:39:46.00
You remember we referenced in a
previous conversation, uh, Psalm
00:39:46.00\00:39:49.36
115, even the whole heavens are
the Lord's but the earth He has
00:39:49.36\00:39:52.43
given to the children of men, so
Adam and Eve are the co-regents
00:39:52.43\00:39:56.13
of planet earth, and by their
fall, not only was it a moral
00:39:56.13\00:40:01.43
fall, but it was
a governmental fall.
00:40:01.43\00:40:03.33
- There's a legal element to it.
00:40:03.33\00:40:04.96
- Yeah, there was a legal
transfer of power into the hands
00:40:04.96\00:40:08.73
of the enemy, and that's why
Jesus even in chapter 12 in the
00:40:08.73\00:40:13.43
Gospel of John refers to him
as the prince, or the ruler...
00:40:13.43\00:40:17.00
- Of this world.
00:40:17.00\00:40:18.43
- Of this world.
00:40:18.43\00:40:19.33
Yeah.
00:40:19.33\00:40:20.60
- Jesus does not, and I know we
have to take a break here, but I
00:40:20.60\00:40:22.60
just want to say this real
quickly, Jesus does not deny
00:40:22.60\00:40:25.53
that the world
was Satan's to give.
00:40:25.53\00:40:28.20
When he says, all this I will
give you, He doesn't say, who do
00:40:28.20\00:40:31.06
you think?
00:40:31.06\00:40:32.30
He understands and acquiesces
to a basic legality in the fact
00:40:32.30\00:40:36.96
that, you have a
regency of this earth.
00:40:36.96\00:40:39.70
- And He's about
to take it back...
00:40:39.70\00:40:41.20
- That's right.
00:40:41.20\00:40:42.36
- By a different
set of principles.
00:40:42.36\00:40:44.46
- That's right.
00:40:44.46\00:40:45.73
- By different means, and that's
- that's what we'll be looking
00:40:45.73\00:40:47.43
at when we come
back after the break.
00:40:47.43\00:40:49.10
- Beautiful.
00:40:49.10\00:40:49.90
- Amen.
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- Ok, so, where we've come from
is the Incarnation, and now we
00:41:52.43\00:41:55.40
want to got to the cross.
00:41:55.40\00:41:57.26
- Ok.
00:41:57.26\00:41:58.10
- That's the bridge.
00:41:58.10\00:41:59.06
That's the - the
vital connecting link.
00:41:59.06\00:42:01.16
- Yeah, you're right.
00:42:01.16\00:42:03.06
I love it.
00:42:03.06\00:42:03.76
- That's the vital - [laughter]
00:42:03.76\00:42:05.10
- connecting...
00:42:05.10\00:42:06.16
- We're - we're illustrating
the cross here, right?
00:42:06.16\00:42:07.60
- How?
00:42:07.60\00:42:08.46
- He's giving me his ball, see?
00:42:08.46\00:42:09.96
- I didn't give it to you.
00:42:09.96\00:42:11.66
You took it.
00:42:11.66\00:42:12.63
- He's emptying himself.
00:42:12.63\00:42:13.76
He's making himself nothing.
00:42:13.76\00:42:14.80
- But you did take it.
00:42:14.80\00:42:16.03
- I'm on the
verge of carpal tunnel.
00:42:16.03\00:42:17.13
I need it back.
00:42:17.13\00:42:18.20
Ok.
00:42:18.20\00:42:18.90
- See that?
00:42:18.90\00:42:19.50
[laughter]
00:42:19.50\00:42:20.20
- Here's - here's the thing.
00:42:20.20\00:42:21.33
The - the incarnation
prepared the way for the cross.
00:42:21.33\00:42:23.40
That's what David was
emphasizing in Hebrews 2.
00:42:23.40\00:42:26.50
- That's right.
00:42:26.50\00:42:27.53
- And verse 9, right?
00:42:27.53\00:42:28.30
- The word "that."
00:42:28.30\00:42:29.33
- The word "that."
00:42:29.33\00:42:30.56
Ok, Jesus became human that
he might taste death for every
00:42:30.56\00:42:34.03
human being, right?
00:42:34.03\00:42:35.16
So, so we've talked about
the Incarnation and what it
00:42:35.16\00:42:38.23
entailed.
00:42:38.23\00:42:39.66
Now, the cross needs to be
explored in the light of the
00:42:39.66\00:42:44.83
Incarnation.
00:42:44.83\00:42:46.00
That's the point.
00:42:46.00\00:42:47.20
Now, I don't know where you
guys want to go or what you're
00:42:47.20\00:42:49.80
thinking about the cross, but
I'd like to start in Matthew 26.
00:42:49.80\00:42:52.40
- Ok.
00:42:52.40\00:42:53.20
Yeah.
00:42:53.20\00:42:53.80
- Matthew 26.
00:42:53.80\00:42:55.00
So, in Matthew 26 Jesus is
entering into Gethsemane with
00:42:55.00\00:43:00.40
His disciples, and as He makes
His way with them into this
00:43:00.40\00:43:07.86
place of prayer that He's
visited before, the Garden of
00:43:07.86\00:43:10.10
Gethsemane, in verse 36,
then Jesus came with them to the
00:43:10.10\00:43:14.70
place called Gethsemane and said
to His disciples, sit here while
00:43:14.70\00:43:19.16
I go and pray over there.
00:43:19.16\00:43:21.53
Verse 37, and He took with
Him Peter and the two sons of
00:43:21.53\00:43:25.30
Zebedee, that's James and John,
and He began to be sorrowful and
00:43:25.30\00:43:29.93
deeply distressed.
00:43:29.93\00:43:31.46
Now watch this
language in verse 38.
00:43:31.46\00:43:34.00
Then He said to them, My soul is
exceedingly sorrowful, even unto
00:43:34.00\00:43:40.26
death, even to
the point of death.
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Stay here and watch with me.
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Verse 39, and He went a little
farther and He fell on His face,
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and He prayed saying, oh my
Father, if it is possible, let
00:43:46.80\00:43:51.00
this cup pass from Me.
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Nevertheless, not as
I will, but as You will.
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This, He hasn't even reached the
cross yet, and I wanna, I wanna
00:43:56.00\00:44:02.50
just point out, Jesus tells
the disciples, right here, right
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now, in the Garden of
Gethsemane, before any physical
00:44:07.03\00:44:10.70
torture has been inflicted upon
Him, He says I'm dying at the
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soul level of my being.
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The word soul here
in the Greek is psyche.
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Psyche.
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Jesus is experiencing some kind
of psychological agony, some
00:44:22.23\00:44:27.70
kind of psychological trauma
that's - that's - that's inching
00:44:27.70\00:44:31.16
into death.
00:44:31.16\00:44:33.10
He, he says, I'm dying
right here in the Garden of
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Gethsemane.
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He's obviously not
dying of physical causes.
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They haven't tortured Him yet.
00:44:40.40\00:44:42.16
He hasn't been crucified yet.
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Jesus is experiencing something
far more significant than mere
00:44:43.60\00:44:48.46
suffering and death.
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Jesus is taking into Himself the
sin of the word in some sense
00:44:52.90\00:44:57.96
that we could
never fully comprehend.
00:44:57.96\00:44:59.66
- The weight of the sins of the
world are beginning to crush the
00:44:59.66\00:45:01.96
life out of Him.
00:45:01.96\00:45:03.80
- That's right.
00:45:03.80\00:45:05.06
- It's, do you think it's almost
as if, I don't know how far to
00:45:05.06\00:45:07.26
take that, but it's almost as
if the cross is inconsequential.
00:45:07.26\00:45:10.10
Even if the cross hadn't
approached, at some point Christ
00:45:10.10\00:45:14.23
would have died.
00:45:14.23\00:45:15.13
- Man, that's a huge thought.
00:45:15.13\00:45:16.23
- Christ, the weight
would have crushed Him.
00:45:16.23\00:45:17.80
The fact that the cross was on
His path happened to be the way.
00:45:17.80\00:45:22.26
- Jeffery, that
triggers a thought.
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I think that there's Biblical
evidence for that, and it's in
00:45:23.60\00:45:26.60
Luke's Gospel, where while Jesus
was in the Garden of Gethsemane,
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He was so heavy...
00:45:31.50\00:45:32.83
- That's exactly...
00:45:32.83\00:45:34.06
- And He's sweating, Luke's
Gospel adds, He was sweating, as
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it were, great drops of
blood, and then an angel of God
00:45:35.86\00:45:39.13
appeared strengthening Him.
00:45:39.13\00:45:40.63
- I'm literally
parked right there.
00:45:40.63\00:45:43.80
- Are you?
00:45:43.80\00:45:45.06
The implication is that Jesus
would have died in Gethsemane
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and never reached the cross if
the angel had not intervened to
00:45:46.46\00:45:50.10
strengthened Him.
00:45:50.10\00:45:52.30
- That's right.
00:45:52.30\00:45:53.16
- The very point
that you're making.
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- That's heavy.
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So, so the mission was so
intense that Jesus had to invoke
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so to speak, help in order to
lift Him up as He was, as He was
00:46:01.86\00:46:07.13
there.
00:46:07.13\00:46:07.86
I love the language here.
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Being in agony.
00:46:08.63\00:46:09.36
- Not physical agony, right?
00:46:09.36\00:46:12.13
- It's gotta be beyond physical.
00:46:12.13\00:46:13.43
If it was just physical...
00:46:13.43\00:46:15.00
- Well, well, I
think we can't say.
00:46:15.00\00:46:16.56
Go ahead.
00:46:16.56\00:46:17.66
You go ahead, and then
I'll say what I'm gonna say.
00:46:17.66\00:46:20.33
- I was just gonna say, if
it was merely physical, then
00:46:20.33\00:46:22.43
somebody pointed out, there's
been generals, army generals
00:46:22.43\00:46:25.33
that have died for
their people or died...
00:46:25.33\00:46:28.33
- In torturous ways.
00:46:28.33\00:46:29.76
- In torturous ways, and let's
be, let's be honest, Christ was
00:46:29.76\00:46:32.43
tortured, no doubt, but
surely we can conceive of other
00:46:32.43\00:46:36.16
physical tortures throughout
history that would have been
00:46:36.16\00:46:39.56
equal to or even more horrific.
00:46:39.56\00:46:41.03
- Certainly.
00:46:41.03\00:46:43.63
- Right?
00:46:43.63\00:46:44.63
So, the awe here is
not merely in the physical.
00:46:44.63\00:46:47.70
It has to go
beyond the physical.
00:46:47.70\00:46:48.76
- That's right.
00:46:48.76\00:46:50.10
You got my point.
00:46:50.10\00:46:51.36
- I think beyond is
good, and not merely.
00:46:51.36\00:46:53.30
That, that would be
the accurate language.
00:46:53.30\00:46:56.06
He did suffer physically,
no doubt about it, but what's
00:46:56.06\00:46:57.66
happening in Gethsemane is
described by Jesus Himself in
00:46:57.66\00:46:59.93
John chapter 3, I'll just throw
these out, and by Paul in 2
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Corinthians 5:21.
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In John 3, Jesus likened Himself
and His upcoming sacrifice on
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the cross to the serpent being
lifted up on the pole in the
00:47:10.16\00:47:13.10
wilderness.
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The serpent, throughout
scripture, as we've talked about
00:47:14.26\00:47:16.96
on a previous conversation is
associated with sin and evil and
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the devil, in fact.
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So, Jesus, Jesus, we always
think of Him in terms of, He's
00:47:23.33\00:47:27.73
the Lamb of God who takes away
the sin of the world, and that's
00:47:27.73\00:47:31.20
an accurate symbol as well, but
here Jesus in John 3 identifies
00:47:31.20\00:47:34.56
with the serpent?
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He identifies with, with
the emblem of evil itself?
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And then, in 2 Corinthians 5:21,
Paul says, tells us exactly
00:47:38.73\00:47:45.43
what's happening here.
00:47:45.43\00:47:46.93
He says, He who knew no sin
became sin for us that we might
00:47:46.93\00:47:52.93
become the righteousness
of God in Him, so sin.
00:47:52.93\00:47:55.96
He's, he's taking upon Himself,
into Himself sin, shame, guilt.
00:47:55.96\00:48:03.10
He's experiencing
what does Isaiah 53 say?
00:48:03.10\00:48:06.93
Numbered with the transgressors,
as if He Himself is guilty of
00:48:06.93\00:48:12.20
sin?
00:48:12.20\00:48:13.66
- You know, Ty, that text in 2
Corinthians 5:21, I was, I began
00:48:13.66\00:48:17.13
to read this a bit differently
just trying to put myself in the
00:48:17.13\00:48:20.93
text, and - and every
place where it says He or Him to
00:48:20.93\00:48:24.40
insert who it's referring to,
and when it talks about sin, to
00:48:24.40\00:48:28.00
just pick a sin,
just pick a any sin.
00:48:28.00\00:48:30.56
Let me just explain
what I'm saying here.
00:48:30.56\00:48:33.20
For the Father, now I'm
inserting, for the Father...
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- Just repeat
the verse you're on.
00:48:37.70\00:48:41.23
I know you said it once,
but just so we're all there.
00:48:41.23\00:48:43.63
- 2 Corinthians 5:21.
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For the Father made the Son who
knew no lies to be a liar for
00:48:45.46\00:48:51.00
Jeffrey.
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So that Jeffrey might become the
righteousness of God in the Son.
00:48:52.56\00:48:58.53
So, in every way, you
were just saying that He became
00:48:58.53\00:49:03.00
identified.
00:49:03.00\00:49:04.93
He's the serpent.
00:49:04.93\00:49:06.33
He's not just the lamb,
He's also the serpent, but the
00:49:06.33\00:49:08.00
serpent was the symbol of...
00:49:08.00\00:49:10.03
- Of evil and sin.
00:49:10.03\00:49:11.56
- Of evil and sin, so Jesus
becomes identified with that.
00:49:11.56\00:49:14.80
- Although He's
perfectly innocent.
00:49:14.80\00:49:16.66
- On our behalf.
00:49:16.66\00:49:17.93
And so I always picture, like
DVD's in heaven, like there's a
00:49:17.93\00:49:20.56
big old library of DVD's that
represent each and every one of
00:49:20.56\00:49:23.16
our lives, and the Gospel
message is that God presses play
00:49:23.16\00:49:27.46
on the DVD and
Jeffrey's story plays.
00:49:27.46\00:49:29.60
In every juncture where there's
sin in my life, He presses
00:49:29.60\00:49:34.83
pause, I'm out of the frame,
and Jesus in in the frame.
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- Wow.
00:49:37.66\00:49:39.06
- And he presses un-pause, and
the movie plays on, and Jesus
00:49:39.06\00:49:42.43
now begins to take my place in
every single point in my life,
00:49:42.43\00:49:46.30
and I think that's what
that text is communicating.
00:49:46.30\00:49:49.26
He has become sin
for, for the human race.
00:49:49.26\00:49:53.16
- He, He was not Himself a
sinner, but He was treated as a
00:49:53.16\00:49:59.16
sinner.
00:49:59.16\00:50:00.36
He had the experience of a
sinner, in fact, you're there,
00:50:00.36\00:50:02.20
so I'm just gonna
quickly grab that.
00:50:02.20\00:50:05.16
If we go back to the covenantal
faithfulness theme that's we've
00:50:05.16\00:50:06.96
been carrying through here....
00:50:06.96\00:50:07.90
- That's exactly
where I was going...
00:50:07.90\00:50:09.13
- Oh, well you go, go there,
because - No, no, you got it.
00:50:09.13\00:50:10.43
You got it.
00:50:10.43\00:50:11.23
You got it.
00:50:11.23\00:50:11.73
Go.
00:50:11.73\00:50:13.00
- Un, 2 Corinthians 5:21, for
He hath made Him, for the Father
00:50:13.00\00:50:15.16
has made the Son who knew no sin
to be sin for us that we might
00:50:15.16\00:50:18.40
become the righteousness of
God which is God's covenantal
00:50:18.40\00:50:22.23
faithfulness in the Messiah's
faithfulness to the covenant.
00:50:22.23\00:50:25.73
And the truth of the cross is
that He was faithful unto death.
00:50:25.73\00:50:28.80
There's this
great line where C.S.
00:50:28.80\00:50:32.16
Lewis speaks about when a
temptation comes to us, we often
00:50:32.16\00:50:36.00
don't feel the full force of the
temptation because we give into
00:50:36.00\00:50:39.36
it, so you know, let's say the
temptation is 10 units, we often
00:50:39.36\00:50:43.13
fall at 2 or 3 or 4 or 5, but
Jesus, and there are some times
00:50:43.13\00:50:48.06
we overcome temptation, praise
God, but every temptation that
00:50:48.06\00:50:50.33
came to Jesus, 10 out of
10, He exhausted it, so the
00:50:50.33\00:50:53.23
temptation...
00:50:53.23\00:50:54.20
- So, He took it to
the most intense level?
00:50:54.20\00:50:55.70
- To the most...He exhausted the
temptation, the temptation never
00:50:55.70\00:50:58.46
exhausted Him.
00:50:58.46\00:50:59.96
He was faithful unto death.
00:50:59.96\00:51:02.00
The temptation to, to cut
Himself off from humanity.
00:51:02.00\00:51:06.60
The temptation to just
whisk His way back to heaven was
00:51:06.60\00:51:09.50
overwhelming, and temptations
just kept throwing themselves at
00:51:09.50\00:51:13.06
Christ, and He
just exhausted each one.
00:51:13.06\00:51:15.43
It came to Him, and
they fell like toy soldiers.
00:51:15.43\00:51:17.46
- I love that, because there's
a meter that the devil...
00:51:17.46\00:51:20.03
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:51:20.03\00:51:22.00
- He pumps up the volume, but he
only has to pump it up so far,
00:51:22.00\00:51:24.33
and then I fall.
00:51:24.33\00:51:25.33
- Well of course he's
pumping up the volume...
00:51:25.33\00:51:26.33
- In a sense it's
like running a marathon.
00:51:26.33\00:51:28.06
- Very much so.
00:51:28.06\00:51:29.30
- Because - because that first
10 miles, even the first 15
00:51:29.30\00:51:30.70
miles, it's hard, but when
you get to those final miles...
00:51:30.70\00:51:35.36
- Yeah, the 20, the 22.
00:51:35.36\00:51:38.93
- Then you experience the
physical exertion to the point
00:51:38.93\00:51:42.36
of an intensity that
you want to succumb to.
00:51:42.36\00:51:45.80
- The human body
just want to shut down.
00:51:45.80\00:51:47.66
- Yeah.
00:51:47.66\00:51:48.90
We've run like 5 miles or 10
miles, and we, we stop and yield
00:51:48.90\00:51:51.33
to the temptation, but Jesus ran
the gambit of sin straight to
00:51:51.33\00:51:55.50
the conclusion.
00:51:55.50\00:51:56.73
- Sure, because we always
say that He was tempted in every
00:51:56.73\00:51:59.60
form that we've been tempted in,
but then you think, was Jesus
00:51:59.60\00:52:01.76
ever a teenager in Miami?
00:52:01.76\00:52:06.33
Was Jesus ever a
single mom in the Bronx?
00:52:06.33\00:52:09.70
You know?
00:52:09.70\00:52:11.06
What do you mean He was
tempted in every single form?
00:52:11.06\00:52:14.00
But I think that's the point is
that in every possible category,
00:52:14.00\00:52:16.86
the devil pumped up the
volume all the way up, and it
00:52:16.86\00:52:21.33
encompasses every
possible human scenario.
00:52:21.33\00:52:24.23
- Lust of the flesh, lust of
the eyes, and the pride of life.
00:52:24.23\00:52:26.60
- But there's more than
temptation, although that's
00:52:26.60\00:52:29.23
huge.
00:52:29.23\00:52:30.50
There's something going on at
the cross and, in Gethsemane and
00:52:30.50\00:52:34.60
at the cross that
Isaiah 53 outlines that is just
00:52:34.60\00:52:37.70
phenomenal, that
you're talking about, Jeffrey.
00:52:37.70\00:52:40.53
In chapter 53 of Isaiah, verse
6, notice the language here,
00:52:40.53\00:52:44.86
it's a - it's a messianic
prophecy pointing forward to
00:52:44.86\00:52:47.96
Jesus.
00:52:47.96\00:52:49.03
It says, all we like
sheep have gone astray.
00:52:49.03\00:52:53.10
We have turned everyone to his
own way, and the Lord, that's
00:52:53.10\00:52:57.86
God the Father, has laid on Him,
that's Jesus the Messiah, the
00:52:57.86\00:53:01.40
iniquity of us all, so here the
- the sin problem in total is
00:53:01.40\00:53:08.26
put upon Jesus.
00:53:08.26\00:53:09.60
He's bearing it, but here's the
thing, He's not bearing it as a
00:53:09.60\00:53:13.16
mere physical
weight upon His body.
00:53:13.16\00:53:16.30
It's not like a sack
of rocks or potatoes.
00:53:16.30\00:53:18.06
It's not
pressing on His shoulders.
00:53:18.06\00:53:21.16
It's pressing on His mind,
because the prophecy goes on, if
00:53:21.16\00:53:24.56
you just skip down to verse 10,
and yet it pleased the Lord to
00:53:24.56\00:53:27.90
bruise Him.
00:53:27.90\00:53:29.16
He has put Him to grief when You
make His soul an offering for
00:53:29.16\00:53:34.16
sin.
00:53:34.16\00:53:35.00
He shall see His seed.
00:53:35.00\00:53:36.36
He shall prolong His days, and
the pleasure of the Lord shall
00:53:36.36\00:53:38.93
prosper in His hand.
00:53:38.93\00:53:40.33
Look at verse 11.
00:53:40.33\00:53:41.60
He shall see, that is, God the
Father shall see the labor of
00:53:41.60\00:53:44.80
His soul.
00:53:44.80\00:53:46.73
The labor of the Messiah's soul
under the weight of sin, and
00:53:46.73\00:53:51.00
then that labor is described in
the latter part of verse 11 as
00:53:51.00\00:53:55.30
saying He shall bear
their iniquities in His soul.
00:53:55.30\00:54:00.40
And then the final one, verse
12, it says, middle of verse 12,
00:54:00.40\00:54:04.33
because He poured
out His soul unto death.
00:54:04.33\00:54:09.10
Later on, He bore the sin of the
many and made intercession for
00:54:09.10\00:54:15.10
transgressors.
00:54:15.10\00:54:16.36
Repeatedly you have the language
of, of bearing, carrying, sin,
00:54:16.36\00:54:22.06
it's weight, and we know from
personal experience, at least in
00:54:22.06\00:54:25.26
a microcosm sense, what it means
to bear the shame and weight of
00:54:25.26\00:54:30.40
sin, but we have never carried
or borne the weight of our sin
00:54:30.40\00:54:37.13
in totality.
00:54:37.13\00:54:38.16
- No.
00:54:38.16\00:54:39.03
- We've felt guiltily.
00:54:39.03\00:54:40.30
We've felt shame, but we have
never actually borne the full
00:54:40.30\00:54:44.23
psychological
ramifications of our guilt.
00:54:44.23\00:54:47.66
- Yeah, look at these verses
again in Isaiah 53 verses 3 and
00:54:47.66\00:54:50.36
4 because they
set us up for this.
00:54:50.36\00:54:52.30
It says in verse 3, He was
despised and rejected of men, a
00:54:52.30\00:54:56.03
man of sorrows,
where does that take place?
00:54:56.03\00:54:58.76
- In the mind.
00:54:58.76\00:54:59.86
- Acquainted with grief.
00:54:59.86\00:55:01.33
Where does that take place?
00:55:01.33\00:55:02.60
- In the mind.
00:55:02.60\00:55:04.13
- We hid our faces from Him.
00:55:04.13\00:55:05.16
He was despised.
00:55:05.16\00:55:06.33
We didn't esteem Him.
00:55:06.33\00:55:07.76
Surely He has born our grief's.
00:55:07.76\00:55:09.60
He's carried our sorrows.
00:55:09.60\00:55:11.76
We esteemed Him stricken,
smitten of God and afflicted.
00:55:11.76\00:55:15.96
Where is all that happening?
00:55:15.96\00:55:17.30
Not just the grief's and
the sorrows, but the way that we
00:55:17.30\00:55:20.93
relate to Him, the way that
we esteem Him, or disesteem Him.
00:55:20.93\00:55:22.56
- It's, it's in the mind.
00:55:22.56\00:55:24.40
The thing I want to say about
this is Paul in Galatians 3
00:55:24.40\00:55:26.43
says, cursed is
everyone who hangs on the tree.
00:55:26.43\00:55:30.86
He's quoting Deuteronomy here.
00:55:30.86\00:55:32.80
We've talked a lot about
covenant, and we don't have time
00:55:32.80\00:55:36.16
to develop this because
we're coming to the end of the
00:55:36.16\00:55:38.10
conversation, but this would be
something for our listeners to
00:55:38.10\00:55:39.96
think about, to tune
into, and for us as well.
00:55:39.96\00:55:42.30
Jesus not only kept the covenant
between God and man, according
00:55:42.30\00:55:48.66
to the covenant curses of
Deuteronomy 28 and 29, Jesus
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bore those covenant curses
in Himself, so He is both the
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positive aspect of the covenant.
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He loved the Lord His God
with all His heart, His mind and
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soul, and His neighbor like
Himself, but then He bears the
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covenant curses, and hangs on
the cross, forsaken, forlorned,
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and tempted in both physical
and especially mental and
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psychological ways, and
He exhausts the temptation.
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His last words are,
Father forgive them.
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They don't know what they do.
00:56:20.93\00:56:21.73
- Yeah.
00:56:21.73\00:56:22.46
- And He dies.
00:56:22.46\00:56:23.66
- You know I can really
relate to this in a personal way
00:56:23.66\00:56:25.16
because when I was a kid, I have
a twin sister, and every once
00:56:25.16\00:56:28.33
and a while we would get
into arguments and fight, and
00:56:28.33\00:56:31.76
physically I was stronger
than her, and I've always known
00:56:31.76\00:56:36.36
that things don't
hurt me as well physically.
00:56:36.36\00:56:39.53
She could hit me, and she could
hurt me, and it really didn't
00:56:39.53\00:56:43.43
hurt, but what really hurt me
was the fact that that she did
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it.
00:56:47.06\00:56:47.96
It was the fact that she did it.
00:56:47.96\00:56:50.20
Even, in any situation,
physically it wasn't that
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physical pain.
00:56:53.73\00:56:54.63
- That's not the point.
00:56:54.63\00:56:55.93
- It was the mental.
00:56:55.93\00:56:56.90
It was the fact that
someone could do that.
00:56:56.90\00:56:57.90
Someone could inflict that pain.
00:56:57.90\00:56:59.30
That's where I broke down.
00:56:59.30\00:57:01.06
That's where I felt the pain,
and I think that when you look
00:57:01.06\00:57:04.16
at the cross and you look at
all the physical pain, that is
00:57:04.16\00:57:07.76
allowed in order to give
us an indication of the mental
00:57:07.76\00:57:11.00
suffering that
Christ is going through.
00:57:11.00\00:57:12.90
- Jeffrey said
something earlier.
00:57:12.90\00:57:14.46
When you first said it, I'll be
honest, Jeffrey, I cringed just
00:57:14.46\00:57:16.20
a little bit.
00:57:16.20\00:57:17.46
I was like, oh, I - I drew back
from it, but then I embraced it.
00:57:17.46\00:57:19.46
You said, in a sense the
cross is almost inconsequential.
00:57:19.46\00:57:23.33
The, the actual physical,
torturous suffering, that's not
00:57:23.33\00:57:27.80
the point.
00:57:27.80\00:57:28.66
It could have been in a field.
00:57:28.66\00:57:30.33
It could have
been at a guillotine.
00:57:30.33\00:57:32.06
It could have
been some other way.
00:57:32.06\00:57:34.30
It wasn't that, but the
external, physical death is just
00:57:34.30\00:57:37.83
the surface, and I
think you're right.
00:57:37.83\00:57:39.86
It's a window into
what's going on in here.
00:57:39.86\00:57:43.10
- Yeah, yeah.
00:57:43.10\00:57:44.36
- It was the worst torture that
could be, was created by man at
00:57:44.36\00:57:47.03
that time.
00:57:47.03\00:57:48.20
- The bottom line of this
beautiful truth is that God
00:57:48.20\00:57:52.46
literally loves every human
being more than His own life.
00:57:52.46\00:57:56.20
- That's right.
00:57:56.20\00:57:58.03
Hallelujah.
00:57:58.03\00:57:59.10
- Jesus became human,
and he experienced all the
00:57:59.10\00:58:00.33
ramifications of
our sin and guilt.
00:58:00.33\00:58:02.66
He took it to the cross.
00:58:02.66\00:58:04.36
He died on our behalf, not
because His back was against a
00:58:04.36\00:58:07.83
wall or He had to, but because
He literally loves us more than
00:58:07.83\00:58:09.70
Himself, and that is the
ultimate fulfillment of the
00:58:09.70\00:58:15.43
covenant promise.
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God is faithful in Christ.
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- Yes.
00:58:20.70\00:58:21.86
- Amen.
00:58:21.86\00:58:22.56
- Thank you Jesus.
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