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I'm thoroughly enjoying
these conversations--I don't
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know about you guys.
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>>Jeffrey just said a moment ago
that--that--what did you say?
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This feels like home.
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>>Yeah it feels like home.
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>>Like we're supposed to be.
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>>At the table.
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>>Yeah love it table talk.
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>>And it's incredible to think
that God has made us in such a
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way that we can think thoughts
and then articulate them to one
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another and I can
share something with you.
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You can share something with me.
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And one of the great things
about this is--is new thoughts
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emerge out of this sharing
of thoughts back and forth.
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And we grow just by interaction.
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We're hoping that lots of
other people would join this
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conversation as well.
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And, and just take in these
things that make our hearts just
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soar with excitement.
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This is the subject
matter that really matters most.
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We're looking at very basic
things and I don't know about
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you but in the previous two
conversations that we've had it
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turns out that the basic
things are the deep things.
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>>That's right.
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>>Sometimes
people think, you know.
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we need to get into subject
matter that is, ya know, way
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beyond the elementary truths of
human nature and God's character
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and uh there's
deeper stuff out there.
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I had somebody say to me
recently, "ya know, you guys,
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you need to talk about...you
need to talk about the deep
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stuff like, like, ya know...
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>>Bible prophecy.
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>>Bible prophecy.
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Masonic order and what people
are up to in the dark circles.
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>>Conspiracy theories.
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>>Yeah all that stuff.
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That's not the deep stuff.
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That's the shallow stuff.
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And that stuff, you
know, it's up for grabs.
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What's true?
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What's not?
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Not bible prophecy, of course.
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That's certain.
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But we're talking about things
that might seem elementary.
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But we began just talking
about, well, what is the bible.
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What is the bible?
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>>That's hardly elementary.
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>>It is the word of God
communicated to us in this
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written form.
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Then we said what
the bible is about?
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And we discovered that God's
word is about his character, his
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love and the story
that's playing out.
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>>And nothing is
deeper than that.
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>>Nothing is deeper than that.
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>>That's right.
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>>In fact that's
bible prophecy too.
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Bible prophecy is
really all about Jesus.
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The first prophecy of
the bible is about Jesus.
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>>That's right.
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>>It's about the enmity that
Jesus put between us and Satan
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so all of bible
prophecy is really this.
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Basically it's God.
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Who is God?
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Why did God make us?
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Why are we here?
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That's what bible prophecy.
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>>It shows that
history is directional.
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We're going somewhere.
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God has a plan.
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>>It is true though as Preachers
and Teachers we've all had the
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experience ofú preaching a great
message on the gospel around the
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love of God.
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The goodness of God and had
somebody come up and say yeah,
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yeah, yeah,
yeah--we get all that.
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What's there--you know, as
if we've moved beyond that now
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let's get to
the--it's really unfortunate.
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But what we're seeing here--what
you're saying Ty is that, is
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that--we're having what?
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Forty-five minute conversations,
fifty minute conversations and
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we're just beginning to scratch
the surface of the surface of
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the surface.
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There's so much
depth below this.
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I want to say something too
so that those that are listening
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into the
conversation can appreciate.
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And I think for us as well.
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These are the things we talk
about when the cameras aren't
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on.
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>>Mhm.
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>>Right the cameras are rolling
and we're having a conversation.
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But you turn those cameras
off in every instance the
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conversation just keeps going.
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If Ty's over to my house or
James is over to my house or I'm
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over to your house or Jeffrey.
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What are we sitting down--we're
talking about the goodness of
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God, the love of God, scripture.
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Not that we don't also
talk about other things.
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But that this is
a saturative thing.
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This is an authentic thing.
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This is what's on our mind.
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This is our passion.
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>>Literally
everything is spiritual.
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This segregation between
spiritual and secular is a false
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segregation.
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It's nowhere in the bible.
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According to the bible all
of reality is spiritual reality.
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And it's either good spiritual
stuff is going on or bad
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spiritual stuff is going on.
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So, the fact is we're talking
about--we're conversing about
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things that matter deeply in
relation to God in all of our
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relationships as human beings to
everything we do, our work, our
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education, our marriages,
our relationships with our kids.
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Everything is impacted by our
perception of God's character.
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>>That's right.
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>>So what are we
talking about today?
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>Yeah.
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>>Well we had a
progression of thought.
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We began with basically
saying what is the bible?
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We moved on to
what and who is God?
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And I think the
logical next step is creation.
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>>Of course.
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>>We talked about God and.
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>>God's original plan.
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>>David brought out the point
that, you know, if you just draw
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a line and you put another
line, a vertical line on the
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horizontal line, you say all of
this represents eternity past,
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precreation.
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Where there's
just God and God alone.
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And then the line
this side is creation.
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And we talked about
well what was going on here?
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What was God like for creation?
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Well check this out.
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At some point God said--there
was a conversation where God
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said let us make
man in our own image.
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That's God conversing within
the Godhead and say hey let's do
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something.
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>>Elohim.
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>>Yeah, let's do something.
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What are we gonna do?
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Create.
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>So can I, can I just read that?
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>Sure.
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>>So Genesis 1:26 it say's
let us make man in our image
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according to our likeness.
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Let them have dominion over the
fish of the sea, over the birds
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of the air, and over the cattle
over all the earth over every
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creeping thing that
creeps on the earth.
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So God created man in his own
image and the image of God he
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created them, male and female.
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He created them then God blessed
them then God said to them be
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fruitful and multiply, fill the
earth, subdue it, have dominion
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over the fish of the sea, over
the birds of the air, over every
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living thing that
moves on the earth.
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>>Fabulous.
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>>So I love the idea there,
Ty, you're saying there's a
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conversation that's taking place
here between the Father, Son and
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Holy Spirit.
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There's a conversation
within the Godhead, Elohim.
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Hey let's make man in our image.
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Those are all plural pronouns.
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Us is plural pronoun.
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Our is plural
possessive pronoun.
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Them, them is a plural pronoun.
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The whole thing is
wrapped in plurality.
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>>So God who is an us
and an our creates a them.
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It's not that God is
saying let I will create him.
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Or I will create her, singular.
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It's amazing this relational
God creates relationship.
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>>It's necessary
because God is love.
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We established that in
a different conversation.
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>>Oh pull that out-necessary.
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>>Because God is love.
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It's necessary for there
to be some sort of plurality.
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Because love can't
exist as a singular thing.
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>>An isolation.
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>>Yeah, it's
isolation to anything else.
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There has to be the
receiving end of things.
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And so God being a community in
of himself his creation reflects
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that community so he creates
a race that's also capable of-of
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love.
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>>But you said it's
also, it's necessary.
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It wasn't
optional with God, really.
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I mean imagine that you could
play the violin or the cello at
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a virtuoso level and
choosing simply to never do it.
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>>Mhm.
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>>You see what I'm saying.
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>>Mhm.
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>>God has all
this creative capacity.
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He's going to express it.
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He's going to create.
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So we could say God is not only
creator but just a little fine,
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nuance of a
change, God is creative.
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>>Absolutely.
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>>Isn't he?
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>>Certainly.
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>>Could I just read a
great little quotation?
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This is a quotation that I have
come back to again and again in
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my own understanding
of who and what God is.
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And it's actually written by a
Christian fellow by the name of
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Millard Erickson.
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And he writes this--He
says if reality is fundamentally
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physical.
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Then the primary force binding
it together is electromagnetic.
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If however, reality is
fundamentally social, then the
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most powerful constituting force
is that which binds persons
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together namely love.
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>>I love that statement.
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>>So let me just put a little
flesh on that, you know, we've
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got these magnets at the table
for us to sort of play with.
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But it's a good illustration.
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What Erickson is saying is that
if reality at its most basic is
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just atoms and
molecules in motion.
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Then the most powerful force
in the universe that's keeping
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everything together
is electromagnetism.
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Right?
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It's just; it's the thing that
keeps the proton and neutron in
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the nucleus of the atom.
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It's just chk.
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It's electromagnetic.
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>> It's purely physical.
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>>It's purely physical.
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He says, but if reality is
fundamentally not physical but
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social right?
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As scripture reveals,
Father, Son and Holy Spirit as a
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relational, social, familial
entity he says then the most
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powerful, constituting, binding
force in the world is love.
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And isn't that true?
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I mean that is the thing--life
is--relationships are the stuff
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of which life is made.
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>>I knew this at a
very early age, personally.
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Um I--this is a
little weird to share this.
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But it just came into my mind.
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Um somebody asked me recently--I
don't know if you've ever done
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this exercise.
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But somebody said what is the
very first thing that you ever
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wrote to somebody else?
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Going all the way back in your
memory-a little kid or teenager.
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What's the very first thing?
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>>I can't remember that.
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>>No, seriously someone asked me
this and my first thought was,
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you know, I don't know.
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And I began to think what was
the first thing I ever wrote to
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another human being.
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And it just popped in my
mind a memory like yesterday.
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And it was this--as you guys
know because you know me that I
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grew up in a
very, very abusive home.
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I grew up just
surrounded by anger and rage.
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My mom was the--was just the
punching bag for a step-father.
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And he beat her up a lot.
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Well the thing is, is that there
were times when we would wake up
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in the morning, as kids
getting ready to go to school.
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There were four of us and I'd
go in the bathroom and he was
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already gone for work.
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And he had written on the mirror
with her lipstick I love you.
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And then he's gone.
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Well he'd just beaten
her up the night before.
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And this is his way of, I don't
know, making up or trying to
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persuade here to
stay or whatever.
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Over and over again as a little
boy I'd wake up knowing that she
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had been beaten
the night before.
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Listening to her
scream in the night.
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Wake up as a little kid, go
in the bathroom--I love you in
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lipstick written
across the mirror.
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And when somebody asked me
what's the first thing you ever
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wrote to another human being?
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Just in a flat--I didn't know
the first few minutes--what did
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I write, you know.
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And then it just came to me--I
remember the first thing I ever
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wrote with my own hand as a
little boy was one morning I
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went in there and
there the words were again.
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I love you.
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And here's the weird
thing, I was just a little kid.
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So I couldn't get any
more elaborate than this.
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But maybe, maybe
it was elaborate.
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I took her lipstick and I
just scribbled it all out.
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And then I wrote in my own hand
with her lipstick under I love
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you.
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I mean it was the same words.
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>>Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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>>It was the same words.
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>>How old were you?
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>>Like eight.
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Different person.
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Different context.
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My meaning of the word love was
definitely different than his.
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You know, and I thought it was
weird when they asked me that
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question that I scribbled it out
and just wrote the same thing
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again.
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You know, my mom went in
there, I don't know what she was
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thinking.
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But I was basically
saying no you don't.
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But I do.
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>>hmmm.
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>>And.
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>>Beautiful.
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>>Yeah that I think what
we're getting at here is God in
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Genesis is creating a space
and he's filling that space.
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Our home was a space and
it was filled with bad stuff.
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God in Genesis
was creating a space.
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>>A social space.
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>>A social
space with good stuff.
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And if you know you guys
are familiar with that concept.
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And I'd like to just flush
that out of Genesis chapter one.
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You've got a progression
here in Genesis one of God doing
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something.
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Actually it's
written in a poetic form.
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In the poetic form
of a chiastic structure.
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Can be a v.
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Can be an a.
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Can be, it's just
like a mountain basically.
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You're climbing this
side of the mountain.
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You're climbing this
side of the mountain.
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You have a pentacle point.
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And in Genesis one and two
you have this basic progression
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where God creates a space and
fills a space with good things.
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He creates a space.
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He fills the
space with good things.
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And the way the poem goes
is he--he creates on day one.
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He just creates
the sky, basically.
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And creating the
day and the night.
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Then he fills is with the
sun, moon and stars on day four.
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Then.
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>>So you're saying there's
correspondence between day one
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and day four?
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>>And you'll see this well
you do see this but here's the
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thing.
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Then he creates on day two
the sea and the sky, right?
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>>Mhm.
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>>And then on day five he later
on fills it with fish and birds.
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>>He's a painter?
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>>Yeah.
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>>He's painting a picture.
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>>And then he creates
the land on day three.
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And then he comes--he's come
to the conclusion on day six he
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fills the land with
the animals and man.
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And here's the cool thing.
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He comes to the seventh day and
he just creates a sacred space
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of time and fills it with
his fellowshipping presence.
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And that's the Sabbath.
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That's the seventh day which
is the pinnacle of the creation.
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So in other words, if you look
at it this way, everything that
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God's making and creating in
the creation account is merging
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toward one point.
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And that point is fellowshp.
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>>That's what I
was just going to say.
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It's a relationship not
just with God Certainly with God
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because he fills the Sabbath
time with his own presence.
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But it's also a time for Adam
and Eve to bask in the rela--in
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fact that would have been the
first full day that Adam and Eve
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would have experienced
was the seventh day, Sabbath.
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They're created
on the sixth day.
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And the first full day is
the Sabbath, so as they're
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learning--so who are you and
what are--there's another one of
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me.
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Call it that Adam had named
all--according to the story Adam
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had named all of the other
animals and at the end he's a
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little dejected because he says
there's--you know, I don't feel
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quite the bonding with
the hippopotamus or giraffe or
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whatever.
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[Laughter]
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>>But then he goes into the
deep sleep and God makes him.
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>>The woman.
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>>The woman and ah this is now
bone of my bone and flesh of my
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flesh so their first full day to
explore that relationship right?
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On every level physical,
emotional, spiritual, just to
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get to know one another.
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That's the Sabbath.
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>>Yeah that's--the Sabbath
was hang out time with God.
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>>Yeah and I really like
that whole idea of the magnetism
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verses the social--the love in
Colossians chapter one verse 17
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it's talking about this.
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>>That's exactly the
verse I was thinking about.
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>>Really?
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>>Yeah.
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>>You were
thinking Colossians 1:17?
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Oh, yeah, yeah,
yeah I know the verse.
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>>It talks about how we
were held together by God.
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And it says he is before
all things that is creation.
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He is before creation and in
him all things hold together.
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God is love.
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>>God is love.
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>>First John four verse eight.
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So God says so in love
all things hold together.
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Love holds everything together.
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It's not just this magnetism.
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It's not just these.
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>>Physical properties.
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>>Yeah.
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>>I know you're
a King James guy.
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I've always love the King James
there yeah in him all things.
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I love the King James too.
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I love it.
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In him all things consist.
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That's such a great word.
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It's from the word consistency.
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It's a thing that
binds it together.
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>>Even the laws of nature there.
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It's even beyond
the spiritual realm.
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Because when we speak of love
and God is love normally we're
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thinking in the spiritual realm.
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But even in the material realm
everything holds together in the
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love of God.
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>>It's all connected.
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>>Nature holds
together in the love of God.
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>>Yeah I just noticed this
on the table with the creation
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poem.
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But James was bringing
out the point cohesion.
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Everything's connected together
but what's connecting these
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rocks as David
pointed out is magnetism.
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But what's connecting God to
people and Adam to Eve and Adam
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and Eve to their children and
Adam and Eve to stewarding the
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earth.
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That which is connecting
everything together is love.
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It's amazing.
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>>Well that's what's
connecting us together.
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That's why we're here.
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That's why we're
sitting at this table.
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That's why we're sitting at
this table because all of us
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connected to each other.
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We're different, we're unique.
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We have our, you know,
differences, personalities.
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But what holds us all
together at this table is love.
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Its lots of love.
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>>That's true.
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>>That's the
mission that we're here for.
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That's what we have sought.
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>>And even just apart from the
mission thing I can look at Ty
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and James and Jeffrey and I can
say in total transparency and
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accuracy and authenticity
that I love you guys.
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You know this would be turned
into a great big love fest.
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[Laughter]
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>>But seriously though.
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>>I'd go one step
further I like you.
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Is that a step further or is
that--it's an extension of love.
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>>In my view it's not a
step further but it is something
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different.
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>>God doesn't just love us.
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He likes us.
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>>We need, I think.
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>>I think we need to
unpack that difference.
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>>I saw a show where it
was a marriage--like a marriage
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counseling show and the
counselor has a couple in his
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office and he asked the wife.
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Do you love him?
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And the guys sitting next to her
and she goes, well of course I
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love him.
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And then he
says do you like him?
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And then she's
like quiet [Laugher]
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>>She's like,
she's like I love him.
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He's like no I get
that do you like him?
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>>We've been over that ground.
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>>I really love him.
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So it's just fascinating how.
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>>Did she quote the
bible verse love your enemies?
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>>She didn't quote the
bible verse but we love people.
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And I mean we have to be honest
I mean I have to be honest
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there's people that I love.
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But I can't tell
you that I like them.
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>>You struggle to like them.
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>>I struggle to like
them, difficult to like.
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Maybe I'm difficult to like.
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>>Let's unpack this
more after the break.
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But we're gonna share something
right now that I think people
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are going to -be
really interested to know.
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Here we are having this
conversation around the table.
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A lot of people
wonder what is Light Bearers.
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That's the ministry we're all
associate with and work together
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in this short mission spot it's
going to tell people what Light
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Bearers is or at least
one aspect of what we do as a
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ministry.
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>>Light Bearers Ministry is
primarily all about publishing
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so let's just take a tour of our
15,000 square foot publishing
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facility.
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We're able to produce multiplied
millions of publication in 32
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different languages
that go all over the world.
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The great thing about
this press is it is completely
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computerized.
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The press is able to print on
both sides of the paper in one
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pass through the press roll
after roll after roll all day
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long.
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Once the material is printed,
folded, boxed and palletized.
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It goes into this large storage
unit that's like a big drawer
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system.
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This is where it gets
really exciting because once the
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material is completely prepared
we load this stuff into semi
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loads that hold between 2 and
3 million publications and that
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material goes out to Seattle
where it's loaded onto a barge
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and then taken
somewhere in the world.
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That stuff lands and these
people are overwhelmed to have
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reading material in
their own mother tongue.
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That's when people's hearts
really begin to get touched as
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they encounter the gospel of
Christ and God's incredible for
00:20:04.90\00:20:08.20
them.
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Many of them for the
first time in their lives.
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Paper is powerful.
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Paper is something that we
see utilized in a way that goes
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beyond anything that
is in the world today.
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It has a power that no other
medium in the world has because
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it has an ongoing life.
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One person in the home reads
that literature and then they
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can give it to someone else.
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And they can
read it and share it.
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Then they can give
it to somebody else.
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>>And next time you got
two people instead of one.
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>>It's actually passed on
even from one family member to
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another to read.
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>>And next time you
got three instead of two.
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>>Unlike radio television
that comes and then is gone.
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That track is a permanent
possession of that individual.
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And so you see one piece
of literature a nickel or less
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going into these individuals and
being used over and over again.
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Reaching one heart
after another after another.
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>>To partner with Light Bearers
in spreading the gospel visit us
00:21:00.70\00:21:10.83
online at lighbearers.org
or call us toll free at
00:21:10.83\00:21:15.20
1-877-585-1111.
00:21:15.20\00:21:18.43
You can also write to us
at Light Bearers, 37457 Jasper
00:21:18.43\00:21:23.53
Lowell Road, Jasper, OR 97438.
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>>It's just great that so many
millions of publications go out
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of this place.
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In fact a lot of people don't
realize this but we're sitting
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in, is this a secret?
00:21:35.60\00:21:37.86
We're sitting in the
publishing house right now.
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>>With the lights off.
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>>Yeah with the lights off.
00:21:41.40\00:21:43.40
We're basically in our
publishing house with the lights
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off and--but it's incredible
literally millions upon millions
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publications.
00:21:48.20\00:21:49.60
>>Praise God.
00:21:49.60\00:21:50.86
>>Going out to all the world,
multiple languages nations all
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over the world.
00:21:54.23\00:21:55.40
It's just a very
powerful ministry.
00:21:55.40\00:21:56.66
So.
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>>Amen.
00:21:57.46\00:21:58.43
>>Preaching the good
news in written form.
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>>So far we've been leading
this discussion and we've gone
00:21:59.66\00:22:04.26
through creation.
00:22:04.26\00:22:05.96
We've gone through God's
expressive activity in Genesis
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one and to lead
up and all of that.
00:22:08.73\00:22:11.70
And all of these points lead
to the question what was God's
00:22:11.70\00:22:15.13
original purpose?
00:22:15.13\00:22:17.06
What's the point?
00:22:17.06\00:22:18.56
Why do we exist
instead of not exist?
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Isn't that the
philosophical question?
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>>I like that.
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>>Why's there
something rather than nothing?
00:22:24.63\00:22:26.06
>>I like that
formulation why do we exist?
00:22:26.06\00:22:28.60
>>Yeah why do we exist?
00:22:28.60\00:22:29.86
There's a text, there's a text
in Isaiah that we can look at as
00:22:29.86\00:22:33.10
a sort of brief summary.
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>>Like a summary.
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>>Summary, definition.
00:22:38.20\00:22:38.93
It's a summary definition.
00:22:38.93\00:22:40.20
It's in Isaiah chapter 43 and
there's some pretty grandiose
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themes here.
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I'm looking at Isaiah 43 verse 7
and this is I guess a dictionary
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definition purpose
for human existence.
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And it says in verse 7 everyone
who is called by my name, this
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is God speaking whom I
have created for my glory.
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I have formed him.
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Yes I have made him.
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There's this idea that we, the
human race have been created for
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the glory of God.
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And that connects to something
in the mosaic literature in
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Exodus where Moses
is up on the mountain.
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And he's in communion with God.
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And God is manifesting himself
to Moses and Moses poses a
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question.
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I'm going to read that very
quickly I think this will launch
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us into.
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>>On top of Mount Sinai.
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>>By the way Jeffery
while you're going there
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>>Yep
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>> To Exodus you know I think a
lot of people--I've heard people
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just really trip over this.
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What do you mean we
were created for God's glory?
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To some people's ears
that God's and ego maniac.
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In other words, I created you.
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>>It's all about him.
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>>To glorify me.
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That God's an egocentric kind
of being and that, you know,
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basically hey you exist to
stand, you know, in perfect line
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saying praise God,
praise God, praise God.
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In some kind of--people have
a strange view of what it means
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when the bible
says for my glory.
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Have you heard that idea?
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>>Absolutely it sounds like God
is a self-centered being that
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wants.
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It's all about me, me, me but
I think that this whole sort of
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answer that question.
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>>Where are you at?
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>>I'm in Exodus 33 and I'm
holding onto Isaiah; we were
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created for God's glory and
Moses poses a question to God in
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verse 18.
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Exodus 33 and he says to
God please show me your glory.
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>>That's a quintessential
question right there.
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>>Show me your glory and
the response is, is dramatic.
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The way God shows Moses
his glory is essentially a
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description of his character and
so in verse 19 God says I will
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make all my
goodness pass before you.
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I will proclaim the
name of the Lord before you.
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I will be gracious to
whom I will be gracious.
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I will have compassion on
whom I will have compassion.
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Then he jumped down to verse
34 and it actually happens.
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In verse 5 the Lord descends
in the clouds and stood with him
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there and proclaimed
the name of the Lord.
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And the Lord passed before
him, verse 6, and proclaimed the
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Lord, the Lord God merciful,
gracious, longsuffering,
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abounding in goodness and truth.
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Keeping mercy for thousands,
forgiving iniquity and
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transgression and sin.
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And by no means
clearing the guilty.
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Visiting the iniquity of the
fathers upon the children and
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the children's children to
the third and fourth generation.
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>>That's heavy stuff.
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>>So the reply is profound.
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The glory of God.
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The way God demonstrates that is
simply a description of who he
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is.
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So is that a window to
answer the question why were we
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created?
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And what does it mean that
we were created for God's glory?
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>>When you were speaking there I
was listening the whole time and
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I love.
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I think you've gone to exactly
the right places Isaiah 43 and
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then Exodus or is that.
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>>Exodus.
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>>Isaiah 43 and
Exodus 33 and 34.
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I love the opening question
and answer to the Westminster
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Catechism right?
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The Westminster Catechism in
historical Christian documents
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says.
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It opens with this line
what is the chief end of man?
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What's man's purpose?
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The answer is this to know
God and to enjoy him forever.
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That's it the purpose
for which we were created.
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That's the idea of glory.
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That's how I understand whom
I created for my glory, to know
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me, to enjoy me, to love me, to
be loved by me, to be enjoyed by
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me, relationship.
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>>Egocentric.
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>>Hardly egocentric.
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>>He's other centered.
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>>That's the whole point.
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The whole point we've already
been discussing up to this point
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is God is love.
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He is not a rigid singularity.
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He is in himself a family,
community in a relationship.
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And so here when he says
who are you, Moses on top of the
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mountain.
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Who are you?
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Who am I talking to?
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Because he's veiled behind the
cloud, behind the smoke, behind
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the lightening, the thunder
and all of the power that was
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manifested
there on top of Sinai.
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Who are you?
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He says well this is who I am.
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I'm
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>>I'm good.
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>>I'm good.
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I'm this.
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I'm this.
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Now that does
introduce something there.
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Because you get down and it
sounds really nice and really
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good, just and forgiving, loving
and then you get down to that
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part about visiting the iniquity
of the chil--ok now here's.
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>>By no means
clearing the guilty.
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>>No means clearing the guilty.
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Now here's something I think we
have to come to grips with and
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it's a big part of the
question that you're asking.
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Why do we exist?
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And that is that we should not
say God is love which we've said
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over and over again.
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And we're going to keep saying
because that's the great truth
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of who God is.
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God is love.
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Oh yeah, yeah,
yeah but he's also just.
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God is love but he's also.
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>>It's a false dicotamy.
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>>It's a--ex--ok--unpack that
because I think that has to be.
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>>The way I look at it.
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I don't know if again, these
Ipads are just so, so handy but
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the way I've been looking
at it is basic illustration.
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See it, can you see these guys?
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>>Got it.
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>>Ok, so, wait a minute.
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We got a circle here.
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That circle is love.
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The question is if this
represents the totality of God's
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character.
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Alright.
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>>And his nature.
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>>And his nature.
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The totality could we say that
everything else that is true of
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God--we'll start
with basic division.
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We'll have mercy and justice.
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So the false dichotomy, you
asked me to unpack that--to say
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God is love.
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Oh yeah God is love
but God is also just.
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Let me just ask this.
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Isn't justice a
manifestation of love?
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>>Mhm of course it is.
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>>Isn't there are circumstances
we've all been in where the
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loving thing to
do is the just thing.
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You apply justice in
order to implement love.
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>>Isn't parenting
the perfect parallel?
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>>Yeah, parenting is
the perfect parallel.
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But then you could
add everything here.
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You know segment out you could
say, you know, patience over
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here and what did it say?
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Goodness.
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>>Longsuffering.
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>>Longsuffering,
kindness, whatever.
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You just put all
those traits in the circle.
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God is love.
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Because God is love
he's also holy and just.
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>>That's the thing.
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>>everything.
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>>What you just said
right there is the clarity.
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Because he is love he is
also holy, just, patient,
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longsuffering,
etc. That's the point.
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>>So, so I think now this sort
of ties in to my view so I took
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the conversation
slightly over there.
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I want to bring it back to what
Jeffrey was saying why we exist.
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If God isn't like this then
we might exist for a number of
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reasons.
00:29:47.63\00:29:48.90
In other words if God just made
us to be his minions to be his
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puppets to be controlled by.
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Which is kind of your question,
you know that does make some
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people nervous; whom I
have created for my glory.
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But if God is like that--if God
is a relational, good, loving,
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amazing, communal God then the
reason for which we are created
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is exactly what the catechism
says there to know God and to
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enjoy him forever.
00:30:08.03\00:30:10.60
>>Wow.
00:30:10.60\00:30:11.96
>>To be in a
relationship with him.
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To bask in his presence.
00:30:13.70\00:30:15.50
To--language is failing me.
00:30:15.50\00:30:18.56
>>If we're created for God's
glory, Jeffrey and to enjoy God
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forever.
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These things go together.
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God isn't interested.
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He's not creating
beings to serve him.
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He's creating beings.
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>>To serve.
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>>To serve them.
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>>That's right.
00:30:38.33\00:30:40.36
>>And then to have
reciprocation that occurs.
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He's the initiator of the
relationship and he's calling
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the best out of us toward
him and toward one another.
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So to say that we're created
for God's glory isn't an ego
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statement from God's standpoint.
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It's, listen, I'm God.
00:30:57.13\00:30:59.73
I made you in my image.
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I want you to experience
life and reality the way I do.
00:31:00.93\00:31:02.70
And I experience
it love, in goodness.
00:31:02.70\00:31:06.26
I enjoy my relationship within
the Godhead, Father, Son and
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Holy Spirit are enjoying one
another as we pointed out the
00:31:11.56\00:31:15.23
word delight is
used in scripture.
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Regarding the relationship
between Father, Son and Holy
00:31:17.16\00:31:20.76
Spirit.
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They delight in one
another's companionship.
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Well God created us for his
glory it means God created us to
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basically enjoy relationships
with him and with one another.
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>>I've just got to
jump in there quickly.
00:31:31.50\00:31:33.26
Just two days ago I was in the
Seattle airport and you've seen
00:31:33.26\00:31:36.06
these shirts that
people wear, life is good.
00:31:36.06\00:31:38.33
You know the shirts and the
hats and the little smiley face
00:31:38.33\00:31:41.53
people.
00:31:41.53\00:31:42.76
I think it's a Seattle based
company because they had a big
00:31:42.76\00:31:44.26
life is good store
there in the SeTack airport.
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And it dawned on me just
as I was looking at all these
00:31:47.76\00:31:50.80
t-shirts and bags and socks
and all of this life is good
00:31:50.80\00:31:53.66
paraphernalia.
00:31:53.66\00:31:54.76
The reason that life is
good is that God is good.
00:31:54.76\00:31:57.60
He made life like this.
00:31:57.60\00:32:01.16
He made relationships.
00:32:01.16\00:32:02.26
He made puppies.
00:32:02.26\00:32:03.13
He made sunsets.
00:32:03.13\00:32:04.10
He made zoos.
00:32:04.10\00:32:05.00
He made birds.
00:32:05.00\00:32:05.66
He made surfing.
00:32:05.66\00:32:06.40
>>He made animals we made zoos.
00:32:06.40\00:32:07.43
>>Thank you.
00:32:07.43\00:32:08.93
[Laughter]
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>>He made zoology.
00:32:10.06\00:32:13.63
There you go.
00:32:13.63\00:32:14.63
He made zoology.
00:32:14.63\00:32:15.90
Now I also have to pick up
on that point that you just said
00:32:15.90\00:32:17.50
that's so awesome.
00:32:17.50\00:32:18.76
He says you said that God did
not make mankind primarily to
00:32:18.76\00:32:22.23
serve him but to serve them.
00:32:22.23\00:32:24.20
And that's exactly what Jesus
said in Matthew chapter 20 verse
00:32:24.20\00:32:28.93
28 he said the Son of
man who is God on earth.
00:32:28.93\00:32:31.46
If you've seen me
you've seen the Father.
00:32:31.46\00:32:33.10
The Son of man didn't
come to be served but to serve.
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And to give his life
as a ransom for mankind.
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>>I've got a verse for
you guys on this straight up.
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Jesus said, if I
can find it in Luke.
00:32:42.83\00:32:44.90
Jesus said that one of the
things that's going to happen.
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We get into the kingdom
and Jesus says oh here it is.
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It's in chapter 12 verse 37
blessed are those servants whom
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the master when he
comes will find watching.
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Assuredly I say to you
that he, this is the master.
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This is God Almighty.
00:33:05.36\00:33:06.40
This is the
creator of the universe.
00:33:06.40\00:33:07.53
He, God, will gird
himself, which is amazing.
00:33:07.53\00:33:13.06
He will gird himself and have
them sit down to eat and will
00:33:13.06\00:33:19.10
come and serve them.
00:33:19.10\00:33:20.46
>>That's the picture.
00:33:20.46\00:33:22.93
>>So we get into the eternal
kingdom, sin and suffering is no
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more.
00:33:25.90\00:33:27.16
We're on the other side of this
war between good and evil and we
00:33:27.16\00:33:29.93
enter God's presence and he says
I've got a table prepared for
00:33:29.93\00:33:33.06
you.
00:33:33.06\00:33:33.96
Sit down, sit
down, you guys sit down.
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We sit down.
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God puts on the apron
and starts serving the meal.
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>>Hmmm.
00:33:39.36\00:33:41.46
>>That's biblical.
00:33:41.46\00:33:42.46
>>Hallelujah.
00:33:42.46\00:33:43.73
>>That's what Jesus says.
00:33:43.73\00:33:44.73
>>And it's not
only what Jesus says.
00:33:44.73\00:33:45.96
It's what he did in John 13.
00:33:45.96\00:33:46.83
>>Yes.
00:33:46.83\00:33:47.96
>>When the disciples sat
down and he says if I then you
00:33:47.96\00:33:49.13
Lord--when He
washed the disciples feet.
00:33:49.13\00:33:51.03
If I your Lord and
Master have washed your feet.
00:33:51.03\00:33:53.03
You want to want.
00:33:53.03\00:33:54.53
God the picture
that we're painting here.
00:33:54.53\00:33:57.63
Not that we're painting.
00:33:57.63\00:33:58.60
>>That's astounding.
00:33:58.60\00:33:59.90
>>The scripture that paints of
God is a picture that causes us
00:33:59.90\00:34:01.93
to fall in love with him.
00:34:01.93\00:34:04.70
>>You know.
00:34:04.70\00:34:05.46
>>In fact.
00:34:05.46\00:34:06.13
>>Go ahead.
00:34:06.13\00:34:07.40
>>In fact Isaiah 43 that's where
we started Isaiah 43 verse 7.
00:34:07.40\00:34:09.10
Well the context of Isaiah 43 is
really interesting when you read
00:34:09.10\00:34:13.33
it in context.
00:34:13.33\00:34:14.60
It's talking about how God is
going to call all the nations of
00:34:14.60\00:34:16.03
earth together.
00:34:16.03\00:34:18.26
All these nations that live
and thrive and exist on this
00:34:18.26\00:34:22.03
self-glorification.
00:34:22.03\00:34:23.73
This principle of self-glory.
00:34:23.73\00:34:25.13
He's going to
call them all together.
00:34:25.13\00:34:26.60
And you are going
to be my witnesses.
00:34:26.60\00:34:29.10
And you are going to testify
of how I am, of what I'm like.
00:34:29.10\00:34:32.80
>>Whoa.
00:34:32.80\00:34:34.03
>>Of what I really--what it
really is like to give glory to
00:34:34.03\00:34:36.23
me or to be like me.
00:34:36.23\00:34:37.10
To be selfless,
to be other centered.
00:34:37.10\00:34:39.30
So when we bring all these
nations together from Babylon
00:34:39.30\00:34:42.40
and Egypt and Ethiopia etc.
And then you're going to be my
00:34:42.40\00:34:45.16
witnesses.
00:34:45.16\00:34:46.40
You're gonna testify to my glory
and what I'm really like in
00:34:46.40\00:34:48.10
contrast with that.
00:34:48.10\00:34:49.06
>>That's beautiful.
00:34:49.06\00:34:50.20
And you know I've been
thinking that we're in Isaiah.
00:34:50.20\00:34:53.00
We're in Matthew.
00:34:53.00\00:34:54.26
We're in the New Testament but
you don't even have to look so
00:34:54.26\00:34:56.30
far to arrive at the conclusion
that we've been created to love
00:34:56.30\00:35:00.10
God.
00:35:00.10\00:35:01.63
To know God and to enjoy Him.
00:35:01.63\00:35:02.86
We we're talking about that
chiastic structure of Genesis 1.
00:35:02.86\00:35:07.03
Forms sort of like a triangle.
00:35:07.03\00:35:08.53
And at the top of the triangle
is the Sabbath, the seventh day.
00:35:08.53\00:35:12.46
And that there's no creative
activity on the seventh day.
00:35:12.46\00:35:15.00
It's an empty canvass and
God fills it as you said with
00:35:15.00\00:35:18.56
his--with his presence, right?
00:35:18.56\00:35:20.70
And so at the very beginning,
the first full day that the
00:35:20.70\00:35:24.26
human race experiences is a
day of rest in simple fellowship
00:35:24.26\00:35:34.53
with the creator.
00:35:34.53\00:35:35.80
And so this is really powerful
because the very first full day
00:35:35.80\00:35:38.50
of Adam and Eve.
00:35:38.50\00:35:41.03
They're introduced
to fellowship with God.
00:35:41.03\00:35:44.00
But even more than that God
is introducing himself to a new
00:35:44.00\00:35:48.46
experience.
00:35:48.46\00:35:50.40
Because this is a new race
that did not previously exist.
00:35:50.40\00:35:54.13
And it's a new experience
for God himself to be able to
00:35:54.13\00:35:58.93
fellowship and to have a
relationship with this brand new
00:35:58.93\00:36:02.10
race of created beings.
00:36:02.10\00:36:03.90
So I think
that's another window.
00:36:03.90\00:36:05.06
We were created
because God wanted us to exist.
00:36:05.06\00:36:12.56
Because God wanted.
00:36:12.56\00:36:13.90
>>That's the most basic level.
00:36:13.90\00:36:16.86
That's true.
00:36:16.86\00:36:19.03
>>God wanted us to be
the object of his enjoyment.
00:36:19.03\00:36:21.83
>>And want is a
higher compliment than need.
00:36:21.83\00:36:24.30
>>Totally.
00:36:24.30\00:36:25.56
>>Yeah, you could say that some
people have said, you know, God
00:36:25.56\00:36:27.56
needed human beings to exist.
00:36:27.56\00:36:28.76
Well Father, Son and Holy
Spirit that's a perfect cohesive
00:36:28.76\00:36:31.80
relationship right there.
00:36:31.80\00:36:33.90
God transcends everything.
00:36:33.90\00:36:35.43
I don't think
it's totally accurate.
00:36:35.43\00:36:37.10
I mean this is philosophical
to say God needed us.
00:36:37.10\00:36:40.00
But to say he wanted us.
00:36:40.00\00:36:42.26
>>You know.
00:36:42.26\00:36:43.30
>>It's amazing.
00:36:43.30\00:36:44.46
>>My wife always says, I'm
sure you're wife says this.
00:36:44.46\00:36:46.43
Do you love me baby?
00:36:46.43\00:36:47.40
Do you love me?
00:36:47.40\00:36:48.10
She asks me that every day.
00:36:48.10\00:36:49.36
And I'm thinking I told you I
loved you when we got married.
00:36:49.36\00:36:52.70
>>You said you
were the romantic type.
00:36:52.70\00:36:56.30
>> [Everyone talking at once]
00:36:56.30\00:36:57.56
>>I'm getting there.
00:36:57.56\00:36:58.56
I'm getting there.
00:36:58.56\00:36:59.43
This is a set up
you gotta just learn.
00:36:59.43\00:37:00.76
Take notes here.
00:37:00.76\00:37:01.66
This is a set up.
00:37:01.66\00:37:03.50
>>let me get some paper and pen.
00:37:03.50\00:37:04.80
>>I say baby.
00:37:04.80\00:37:05.90
>>Pen is poised.
00:37:05.90\00:37:07.40
>>You know why I love you.
00:37:07.40\00:37:08.70
She's like I don't
understand why you wouldn't.
00:37:08.70\00:37:10.46
I say just because I do.
00:37:10.46\00:37:12.73
Just because I like you.
00:37:12.73\00:37:13.93
I don't have to have this
long list of characteristics.
00:37:13.93\00:37:16.40
You're a great cook.
00:37:16.40\00:37:17.80
You know how to clean the house.
00:37:17.80\00:37:18.93
Blah, blah those
are all characteristics.
00:37:18.93\00:37:21.10
But I would even venture to say
it's a greater form of flattery
00:37:21.10\00:37:25.10
to say.
00:37:25.10\00:37:26.13
>>Just like you as a person.
00:37:26.13\00:37:29.00
>>I just get a kick out of you.
00:37:29.00\00:37:29.93
Like I just.
00:37:29.93\00:37:31.20
I enjoy you.
00:37:31.20\00:37:32.10
>>Yeah, your
company, your friendship.
00:37:32.10\00:37:33.20
>>And I love that
because God loves us.
00:37:33.20\00:37:34.86
We get--He gets
a kick out of us.
00:37:34.86\00:37:40.26
I think that's a
beautiful concept.
00:37:40.26\00:37:41.46
>>It's absolutely beautiful.
00:37:41.46\00:37:42.93
But you are touching on
something that we actually ended
00:37:42.93\00:37:45.66
out last session on.
00:37:45.66\00:37:46.93
That we sort of went like that
and we have to come back to this
00:37:46.93\00:37:49.60
idea that God loves us.
00:37:49.60\00:37:50.93
Because you just said love,
love, love and then you started
00:37:50.93\00:37:53.30
using the word
like inside of it.
00:37:53.30\00:37:55.06
We have to have that
conversation at some point
00:37:55.06\00:37:57.56
because the fact that God loves
us tells us a lot about God.
00:37:57.56\00:38:00.66
Tells us that God is good.
00:38:00.66\00:38:02.06
God is amazing.
00:38:02.06\00:38:03.43
God is
unconditional and gracious.
00:38:03.43\00:38:05.50
But if God likes us that
says something about Jeffrey.
00:38:05.50\00:38:08.53
That says something about James
because you're different than
00:38:08.53\00:38:10.63
James.
00:38:10.63\00:38:11.56
James is different from Ty.
00:38:11.56\00:38:13.00
So that's--to me that's a
question we have to engage with.
00:38:13.00\00:38:15.36
A lot of people can say yeah,
yeah, yeah I get that God loves
00:38:15.36\00:38:18.36
me.
00:38:18.36\00:38:20.56
But I look in the mirror
I don't even like myself.
00:38:20.56\00:38:24.00
How could God like me.
00:38:24.00\00:38:26.06
>>Yeah, yeah it's playing in the
uniqueness of each individual.
00:38:26.06\00:38:29.06
You know we have some more
time to flush these things out.
00:38:29.06\00:38:31.36
I don't know where you want to
go from here but this love like
00:38:31.36\00:38:34.53
idea.
00:38:34.53\00:38:36.10
I think that it's
incredible to explore that.
00:38:36.10\00:38:38.83
I'm wondering if there's
anything direct in the bible
00:38:38.83\00:38:41.20
that we could think about that
specifically indicates that God
00:38:41.20\00:38:47.83
likes us as individuals?
00:38:47.83\00:38:51.80
We've gotta take a break.
00:38:51.80\00:38:53.66
But we'll come back and then
we'll just start flushing out
00:38:53.66\00:38:56.13
this like love idea.
00:38:56.13\00:38:58.73
I think we've all experienced
it on the human level.
00:38:58.73\00:39:01.96
But can we
honestly say God likes us?
00:39:01.96\00:39:04.60
And are there any times
that God doesn't like us?
00:39:04.60\00:39:07.13
Are there things that we
do--is there a sharp segregation
00:39:07.13\00:39:10.26
between God likes
me but not what I do?
00:39:10.26\00:39:14.16
I don't know what you think
about that--that distinction.
00:39:14.16\00:39:16.96
We'll just explore that when
we come back after the break.
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>>So there are two really good
verses that I think will unpack
00:40:20.63\00:40:30.23
or begin to unpack this
whole idea of love and light.
00:40:30.23\00:40:33.50
First one is in First
Corinthians chapter 13 and the
00:40:33.50\00:40:37.13
second one is in
Matthew 22 verse 39.
00:40:37.13\00:40:40.60
Just looking at these two verses
you get a picture of God's
00:40:40.60\00:40:43.96
character and the
way he relates to us.
00:40:43.96\00:40:45.90
And then you get a picture of
us and the way we relate to one
00:40:45.90\00:40:49.43
another.
00:40:49.43\00:40:51.36
>>Okay.
00:40:51.36\00:40:54.16
>>The first verse is First
Corinthians 13:7 it's describing
00:40:54.16\00:40:55.36
love.
00:40:55.36\00:40:56.33
God is love.
00:40:56.33\00:40:57.00
>>Mhm.
00:40:57.00\00:40:58.26
>>And it says that love bears
all things, believes all things,
00:40:58.26\00:40:59.20
hopes all things
and endures all things.
00:40:59.20\00:41:01.80
>>Mhm.
00:41:01.80\00:41:03.03
>>Now the whole idea here is
that love transcends even our
00:41:03.03\00:41:06.20
likes.
00:41:06.20\00:41:07.46
In other words, there are a lot
of things about myself that I
00:41:07.46\00:41:09.20
don't like.
00:41:09.20\00:41:11.23
Jesus says in Matthew chapter
22 verse 39 you shall love your
00:41:11.23\00:41:14.56
neighbor as yourself.
00:41:14.56\00:41:16.66
Well in order to love
somebody else as myself.
00:41:16.66\00:41:19.46
I have to have
some love for myself.
00:41:19.46\00:41:20.86
The love that I have for myself
in First Corinthians is the love
00:41:20.86\00:41:23.90
that hopes all things
and believes all things.
00:41:23.90\00:41:26.33
Even though I might
not like all things.
00:41:26.33\00:41:28.86
>>Yeah, Yeah.
00:41:28.86\00:41:30.36
>>So when I get
up in the morning.
00:41:30.36\00:41:32.46
I look in the mirror.
00:41:32.46\00:41:33.70
I say awe there's a couple
of things about myself I don't
00:41:33.70\00:41:35.06
like.
00:41:35.06\00:41:36.20
>>Are you talking about physical
things or just like your
00:41:36.20\00:41:37.03
personality.
00:41:37.03\00:41:37.83
>>Being an example.
00:41:37.83\00:41:38.66
>>Okay got it.
00:41:38.66\00:41:39.73
>>Being kind of like an
illustration of who I am.
00:41:39.73\00:41:41.40
So there are some things I see
in the mirror of God's love that
00:41:41.40\00:41:43.76
I don't like.
00:41:43.76\00:41:46.26
>>Okay got it.
00:41:46.26\00:41:47.33
>>But I hope
that I'll be better.
00:41:47.33\00:41:48.83
I hope.
00:41:48.83\00:41:49.73
I give myself room to grow.
00:41:49.73\00:41:51.03
I give myself room to
00:41:51.03\00:41:52.13
>>Oh I like that.
00:41:52.13\00:41:53.26
>>to have.
00:41:53.26\00:41:54.06
I have an
expectation for myself.
00:41:54.06\00:41:55.43
That's the way we love our
neighbor because there's a lot
00:41:55.43\00:41:56.83
of things about other
people we may not like.
00:41:56.83\00:41:58.46
>>I just noticed something.
00:41:58.46\00:41:59.80
I love, love, love
what you just said.
00:41:59.80\00:42:01.60
You said verse 7 in First
Corinthians 13 Bears all things,
00:42:01.60\00:42:05.30
believes all
things, hopes all things.
00:42:05.30\00:42:06.56
But then now you're bringing out
a point that really I don't know
00:42:06.56\00:42:09.46
if you noticed this.
00:42:09.46\00:42:10.43
Is brought out in verse 6.
00:42:10.43\00:42:11.70
It says that love or God because
God is love does not rejoice in
00:42:11.70\00:42:15.53
iniquity but
rejoices in the truth.
00:42:15.53\00:42:17.00
>>Love it.
00:42:17.00\00:42:18.26
>>So isn't it possible for love
to be rejoicing about certain
00:42:18.26\00:42:22.33
things about myself or
about a person I am having a
00:42:22.33\00:42:26.60
relationship.
00:42:26.60\00:42:27.90
But not being excited at all.
00:42:27.90\00:42:29.60
>>Not liking.
00:42:29.60\00:42:31.13
>>Not liking other things about
myself or somebody I'm having a
00:42:31.13\00:42:35.20
relationship with.
00:42:35.20\00:42:36.43
You see what I'm
saying in that verse?
00:42:36.43\00:42:37.96
Is that there?
00:42:37.96\00:42:38.93
>>Yes it's in verse 6.
00:42:38.93\00:42:40.23
>>Does not rejoice in iniquity.
00:42:40.23\00:42:41.70
Sometimes we say that God loves
the sinner but hates the sin.
00:42:41.70\00:42:45.16
That's right there.
00:42:45.16\00:42:46.76
He doesn't rejoice in the bad
things that we do and the bad
00:42:46.76\00:42:49.23
traits that we've developed.
00:42:49.23\00:42:51.33
But he rejoices in
the good things about us.
00:42:51.33\00:42:53.40
Right?
00:42:53.40\00:42:54.66
>>One of the things I think
we're going to have to come to
00:42:54.66\00:42:56.86
grips with here is that
over the course of our life.
00:42:56.86\00:43:00.60
Jeffrey's 30.
00:43:00.60\00:43:01.80
I'm 40.
00:43:01.80\00:43:03.00
You guys are close
to 50 bordering in it.
00:43:03.00\00:43:05.76
As we get older we become the
composite of the decisions that
00:43:05.76\00:43:11.96
we've made.
00:43:11.96\00:43:13.53
So we begin to identify
ourselves with either love and
00:43:13.53\00:43:17.33
goodness and godliness.
00:43:17.33\00:43:19.20
Or we begin to identify
ourselves with selfishness and
00:43:19.20\00:43:21.23
what it says iniquity here.
00:43:21.23\00:43:22.56
And that identification
according to scripture can
00:43:22.56\00:43:25.63
become so--the division between
the action and the actor can
00:43:25.63\00:43:29.50
become so seem less that at the
end of time God chooses not to
00:43:29.50\00:43:35.10
save people.
00:43:35.10\00:43:36.20
Not because of
an arbitrary choice.
00:43:36.20\00:43:37.90
But because they have become so
identified with the action, with
00:43:37.90\00:43:41.36
the thing, with the godlessness,
with the hate or the cruelty or
00:43:41.36\00:43:44.53
whatever it is.
00:43:44.53\00:43:46.53
That they
themselves are unsavable.
00:43:46.53\00:43:48.73
In fact it's not even best
to say that God chooses not to.
00:43:48.73\00:43:52.10
God honors the
choices that they have made.
00:43:52.10\00:43:54.56
>>Yeah a short way to say,
you know it's kind of scary,
00:43:54.56\00:43:57.90
probably the better word it's
sobering what you just said to
00:43:57.90\00:44:00.43
me.
00:44:00.43\00:44:01.23
But a short way to say that is.
00:44:01.23\00:44:02.76
That we make our decisions
and then our decisions make us.
00:44:02.76\00:44:05.76
>>I love that.
00:44:05.76\00:44:06.96
>>Right?
00:44:06.96\00:44:07.86
>>That's exactly right.
00:44:07.86\00:44:09.43
>>What we're choosing to do
things and then those choices
00:44:09.43\00:44:11.30
are reacting to shape us
psychologically, emotionally,
00:44:11.30\00:44:15.06
morally.
00:44:15.06\00:44:16.26
Our relationships are changed
by our decisions and we're
00:44:16.26\00:44:19.23
gradually either growing
into the likeness of God.
00:44:19.23\00:44:24.40
In our own unique characters.
00:44:24.40\00:44:26.33
Or we are becoming more and
more like the ugly traits in our
00:44:26.33\00:44:31.36
self.
00:44:31.36\00:44:32.56
And they're magnifying and
taking up space in our hearts
00:44:32.56\00:44:34.73
and minds.
00:44:34.73\00:44:35.60
Until we are so
identified with the bad.
00:44:35.60\00:44:37.73
That there's no
room for the good.
00:44:37.73\00:44:40.03
>>It's like a cycle right?
00:44:40.03\00:44:41.26
>>Yeah.
00:44:41.26\00:44:42.20
>>Character feeds actions.
00:44:42.20\00:44:43.40
But actions.
00:44:43.40\00:44:44.83
>>Reinforce character.
00:44:44.83\00:44:48.13
>>And develop character.
00:44:48.13\00:44:49.36
It's like a cycle.
00:44:49.36\00:44:50.80
It feeds.
00:44:50.80\00:44:51.93
>>The older we get the
more solidified that becomes.
00:44:51.93\00:44:54.30
It's not that you can't
teach old dog new tricks.
00:44:54.30\00:44:57.16
But just that once you're in
the habit of 20, 30, 40 years of
00:44:57.16\00:45:01.00
doing a certain way.
00:45:01.00\00:45:02.10
Or thinking a certain way.
00:45:02.10\00:45:03.36
Doing something a certain way.
00:45:03.36\00:45:04.63
It takes supernatural things
to break through that thing that
00:45:04.63\00:45:10.90
you have become
so identified with.
00:45:10.90\00:45:12.23
And it might be something
that you yourself don't like.
00:45:12.23\00:45:14.40
But God looks at the thing
and says man I hate that thing.
00:45:14.40\00:45:16.63
>>Mhm.
00:45:16.63\00:45:17.40
>>Because God hates iniquity.
00:45:17.40\00:45:18.26
>>He hates it
because he loves you.
00:45:18.26\00:45:19.56
>>That's true.
00:45:19.56\00:45:21.03
>>But at the same time love
never fails, that's verse 8 of
00:45:21.03\00:45:23.33
First Corinthians 13.
00:45:23.33\00:45:24.46
Love never fails.
00:45:24.46\00:45:25.73
It's really important for us to
be able to identify ourselves in
00:45:25.73\00:45:28.73
the context of the
way that God looks at us.
00:45:28.73\00:45:31.80
>>Yeah.
00:45:31.80\00:45:32.80
>>Don't you think?
00:45:32.80\00:45:33.86
>>Yeah, you know all
this talk about mirrors.
00:45:33.86\00:45:35.53
You were mentioning
about looking in the mirror.
00:45:35.53\00:45:37.23
You just imagine, you know, the
girl standing in front of the
00:45:37.23\00:45:39.63
mirror.
00:45:39.63\00:45:40.83
And just covering herself
up, whether it's makeup or the
00:45:40.83\00:45:47.40
clothes that she chooses.
00:45:47.40\00:45:48.93
And just painting--creating
this new persona.
00:45:48.93\00:45:51.33
Because she's
so--she's aching inside.
00:45:51.33\00:45:54.10
Because she doesn't sense
her--she doesn't see value in
00:45:54.10\00:45:59.06
herself.
00:45:59.06\00:46:00.63
And so her entire life
is this desperate, grasping.
00:46:00.63\00:46:03.60
This desperate attempt to
be somebody who she's not.
00:46:03.60\00:46:07.20
She's not comfortable in her own
skin and you just look at all
00:46:07.20\00:46:11.06
the pain and all
the aching in the world.
00:46:11.06\00:46:13.10
And it's --this planet is
populated by billions of people
00:46:13.10\00:46:16.76
in search of themselves.
00:46:16.76\00:46:20.63
Of who they are.
00:46:20.63\00:46:22.00
And.
00:46:22.00\00:46:23.56
>>That's a great answer.
00:46:23.56\00:46:24.80
>>There's another cycle here.
00:46:24.80\00:46:26.00
Our concept of who God is
determines our concept of who we
00:46:26.00\00:46:30.96
are.
00:46:30.96\00:46:32.16
So our understanding of the
character of God is where we
00:46:32.16\00:46:35.60
glean our
understanding of ourselves.
00:46:35.60\00:46:37.86
And that's why when you analyze
different world views with
00:46:37.86\00:46:40.63
different views of who
God is you see it reflected.
00:46:40.63\00:46:45.00
You see the reflection.
00:46:45.00\00:46:46.60
>>In the culture.
00:46:46.60\00:46:47.76
>>In the culture and in
the lives of the individuals.
00:46:47.76\00:46:49.20
And so that's why--that's why
we're so we're discussing this
00:46:49.20\00:46:53.66
God is love.
00:46:53.66\00:46:56.03
We're discussing
this what is God?
00:46:56.03\00:46:57.33
What is He like?
00:46:57.33\00:46:58.46
Because that's critical
because if we get that wrong.
00:46:58.46\00:47:00.66
>>You get everything else wrong.
00:47:00.66\00:47:02.26
>>It's like a domino effect.
00:47:02.26\00:47:03.30
Everything else goes south.
00:47:03.30\00:47:05.33
>> Well let's make
this really practical.
00:47:05.33\00:47:07.73
So are you saying that, for
example, if I have a picture of
00:47:07.73\00:47:11.63
God.
00:47:11.63\00:47:12.90
A belief system about God that
has him standing toward me in an
00:47:12.90\00:47:17.76
attitude of condemnation.
00:47:17.76\00:47:20.16
Am I then going to view
myself through the lens of that
00:47:20.16\00:47:24.63
condemnation?
00:47:24.63\00:47:26.20
And when somebody fails me my
natural inclination is going to
00:47:26.20\00:47:31.76
be to relate to them harshly.
00:47:31.76\00:47:33.40
And to condemn them for their
failures rather than be quick
00:47:33.40\00:47:37.06
and ready to forgive them.
00:47:37.06\00:47:38.60
Because if I don't
think God can forgive me.
00:47:38.60\00:47:41.33
If God in my picture
of him is not forgiving.
00:47:41.33\00:47:45.06
I mean you really gotta
twist his arm to get him.
00:47:45.06\00:47:47.43
You gotta just plead and beg and
do penance and go on pilgrimage
00:47:47.43\00:47:52.30
or whatever the
worldview has to be.
00:47:52.30\00:47:54.43
If you need to force God to
forgive you and he's reluctant.
00:47:54.43\00:47:57.93
Isn't that going to
make me more reluctant?
00:47:57.93\00:48:01.26
>>Of course.
00:48:01.26\00:48:02.30
>>To forgive
somebody who fails me.
00:48:02.30\00:48:03.73
>>Yeah you're gonna project to
others your perception of God.
00:48:03.73\00:48:06.73
This is actually hinted at--I'm
not even sure it's a hint.
00:48:06.73\00:48:10.50
This is blatant in the statement
Jesus made the two great
00:48:10.50\00:48:13.66
commandments.
00:48:13.66\00:48:14.86
I was reading here in Mark
chapter 12 and it says in verse
00:48:14.86\00:48:17.43
29 Jesus is approached
and somebody says what are the
00:48:17.43\00:48:21.96
greatest commandments?
00:48:21.96\00:48:23.23
And he says well the first one
is love the Lord your God with
00:48:23.23\00:48:26.73
all your heart, with all your
soul, with all your mind and
00:48:26.73\00:48:29.56
with all your strength.
00:48:29.56\00:48:30.53
This is the first commandment.
00:48:30.53\00:48:31.83
And then he says the second
one is and he addresses love for
00:48:31.83\00:48:36.03
other people.
00:48:36.03\00:48:37.23
And so that order.
00:48:37.23\00:48:38.40
>>Vertical horizontal.
00:48:38.40\00:48:40.20
>>But the sequence is pivotal.
00:48:40.20\00:48:42.00
We live in a world where
everyone is interested in love.
00:48:42.00\00:48:44.20
We talked about the other day.
00:48:44.20\00:48:45.66
The songs we
listen to on the radio.
00:48:45.66\00:48:47.70
The movies, it's all about love.
00:48:47.70\00:48:48.80
We're all in search of love.
00:48:48.80\00:48:51.20
But we're all trying to figure
out how can we get satisfied
00:48:51.20\00:48:53.50
with love.
00:48:53.50\00:48:54.30
>>At the horizontal level.
00:48:54.30\00:48:56.26
>>At the horizontal level
bypassing the first commandment.
00:48:56.26\00:48:58.70
Jesus said the first
one is the first one.
00:48:58.70\00:49:01.63
The second one
is the second one.
00:49:01.63\00:49:03.03
For a reason.
00:49:03.03\00:49:04.20
If you jump to number two
before you nail number one.
00:49:04.20\00:49:07.06
You get what we
get in our society.
00:49:07.06\00:49:08.96
>>That's kind of a
broken illicit love.
00:49:08.96\00:49:11.96
It's not even love that we're
looking for on the horizontal
00:49:11.96\00:49:15.20
level because before you
tap into and begin to experience
00:49:15.20\00:49:18.70
God's Agape love
as we talked about.
00:49:18.70\00:49:21.30
His unilateral
selfless other centered love.
00:49:21.30\00:49:23.70
The only way you can
love somebody is with
00:49:23.70\00:49:26.76
self-centeredness.
00:49:26.76\00:49:30.00
Right?
00:49:30.00\00:49:31.13
You gotta--you're always
looking for them to satisfy you.
00:49:31.13\00:49:32.40
You know sometimes people say
in relationships, in marriage
00:49:32.40\00:49:35.50
relationships--you know you
don't love me the way I need to
00:49:35.50\00:49:38.30
be loved.
00:49:38.30\00:49:39.36
Or you're not meeting my needs.
00:49:39.36\00:49:40.40
Well the entire
paradigm is wrong.
00:49:40.40\00:49:42.23
Right?
00:49:42.23\00:49:44.80
The whole premise is
wrong because the point of a
00:49:44.80\00:49:47.50
relationship from my perspective
is the serve you and meet your
00:49:47.50\00:49:51.96
needs.
00:49:51.96\00:49:53.13
Not to use you to meet mine.
00:49:53.13\00:49:54.50
But then when you flip it.
00:49:54.50\00:49:56.56
The whole point of
the relationship from your
00:49:56.56\00:49:58.80
perspective is to meet my needs.
00:49:58.80\00:50:00.96
Right?
00:50:00.96\00:50:03.40
So if I'm looking out
my eyes it's all about you.
00:50:03.40\00:50:06.00
If you're looking out
your eyes it's all about me.
00:50:06.00\00:50:07.96
The moment I say you know what?
00:50:07.96\00:50:09.30
This whole thing
where you're all into me.
00:50:09.30\00:50:13.53
I think that's the way
we ought to go with this.
00:50:13.53\00:50:16.23
>>I think you're
on to something here.
00:50:16.23\00:50:18.36
>>Yeah you're on
to something here.
00:50:18.36\00:50:19.70
I think since you're all
about me I'll be all about me.
00:50:19.70\00:50:22.06
And keep using
you to satisfy me.
00:50:22.06\00:50:24.30
>>You're saying that's broken.
00:50:24.30\00:50:25.76
>>That's broken.
00:50:25.76\00:50:27.00
>>The more you focus on
the emphasis is on the other
00:50:27.00\00:50:29.26
individual.
00:50:29.26\00:50:29.96
The more it reciprocates.
00:50:29.96\00:50:31.20
So it's a perfect plan that
God has--the universe is run in
00:50:31.20\00:50:34.70
terms of God's kindgom
in a brilliant principle.
00:50:34.70\00:50:38.80
Because love solves
all of these social issues.
00:50:38.80\00:50:41.23
Because the more you invest
in an individual the more that
00:50:41.23\00:50:43.96
reciprocates.
00:50:43.96\00:50:44.96
And it's a cycle.
00:50:44.96\00:50:46.53
>>Isn't that something?
00:50:46.53\00:50:47.73
>>You touched on
something earlier Jeffrey.
00:50:47.73\00:50:48.76
You were just using
it as an illustration.
00:50:48.76\00:50:49.96
I think we need to
speak directly to it.
00:50:49.96\00:50:51.36
And that is the
girl in the mirror.
00:50:51.36\00:50:53.16
That doesn't mean to imply that
if, you know a girl or a guy
00:50:53.16\00:50:55.43
wants to look nice that they're
insecure and they don't' know
00:50:55.43\00:50:56.86
who they are.
00:50:56.86\00:50:58.30
But your point is
a point well taken.
00:50:58.30\00:50:59.56
>>Self-worth yeah.
00:50:59.56\00:51:01.36
>>All of us whether the girl
in the mirror or David or Ty.
00:51:01.36\00:51:04.43
I mean us at this table and the
people that are listening in.
00:51:04.43\00:51:07.60
We have those measures.
00:51:07.60\00:51:09.60
Those standards by
which we evaluate ourselves.
00:51:09.60\00:51:12.43
And those standards or measures
can come from a variety of
00:51:12.43\00:51:15.33
places.
00:51:15.33\00:51:16.43
They can come from the world.
00:51:16.43\00:51:17.33
They can come from media.
00:51:17.33\00:51:18.20
They can come from fashion.
00:51:18.20\00:51:19.03
They can come from magazines.
00:51:19.03\00:51:20.03
They can come from
the expectations of peers.
00:51:20.03\00:51:21.40
We all have this at the table.
00:51:21.40\00:51:23.16
The trick the
beauty is to allow.
00:51:23.16\00:51:26.16
This is what I think
you are saying then too.
00:51:26.16\00:51:28.06
Is before we here all the other
competing voices about who you
00:51:28.06\00:51:32.66
should be and
what you should be.
00:51:32.66\00:51:33.80
And what you should do
and what you should look like.
00:51:33.80\00:51:35.33
And what you should wear.
00:51:35.33\00:51:36.20
We need to hear God's voice.
00:51:36.20\00:51:37.60
And when we are solid and secure
in who we are in God, in Christ.
00:51:37.60\00:51:42.40
What we are made to be.
00:51:42.40\00:51:43.56
All these other voices
can have a place at the table.
00:51:43.56\00:51:46.13
But they may not have--they
don't have the most important
00:51:46.13\00:51:49.83
place.
00:51:49.83\00:51:51.06
I'd say it this way God's voice
has the throne and the other
00:51:51.06\00:51:53.36
voices have a
place at the table.
00:51:53.36\00:51:55.46
>>That's nice.
00:51:55.46\00:51:56.63
It's kind of the
audience of one idea.
00:51:56.63\00:51:57.90
>>You know I
coined a word for that.
00:51:57.90\00:52:00.33
The audience 'cause
you have the word God.
00:52:00.33\00:52:03.16
And then you have
the word audience.
00:52:03.16\00:52:04.50
So I put the two
together Gaudience.
00:52:04.50\00:52:06.80
>>Oh that's excellent.
00:52:06.80\00:52:08.26
>>We live for
the Gaudience of one.
00:52:08.26\00:52:09.20
For God is our audience.
00:52:09.20\00:52:11.20
And it doesn't mean that I don't
care what Ty thinks about me.
00:52:11.20\00:52:14.20
I do.
00:52:14.20\00:52:15.46
I care very much what TY thinks
about me and Jeffrey and James.
00:52:15.46\00:52:17.30
Because I love you guys.
00:52:17.30\00:52:18.96
But what the
media is telling me.
00:52:18.96\00:52:21.06
Or the movies are telling me.
00:52:21.06\00:52:22.33
Or the men's fitness magazine
that you have to be this do this
00:52:22.33\00:52:24.36
whatever it is.
00:52:24.36\00:52:25.50
I know I can eeeee tune
that out and tune in what God.
00:52:25.50\00:52:29.56
>>Yeah.
00:52:29.56\00:52:30.83
>>What God thinks about it.
00:52:30.83\00:52:32.13
>>yeah, yeah.
00:52:32.13\00:52:33.20
>>That was pivotal in
my journey because similar.
00:52:33.20\00:52:34.43
I guess we all had a sort of
experience or encounter near our
00:52:34.43\00:52:39.43
teen years.
00:52:39.43\00:52:40.56
But not--growing up with
a single mom when there's no
00:52:40.56\00:52:44.80
father in the house.
00:52:44.80\00:52:46.60
You have to figure out
what does it mean to be man.
00:52:46.60\00:52:48.83
>>Hmmm
00:52:48.83\00:52:49.96
>>Hmmm
00:52:49.96\00:52:50.76
>>Right?
00:52:50.76\00:52:51.40
I had to figure that out.
00:52:51.40\00:52:52.20
>>Yeah.
00:52:52.20\00:52:53.46
>>The world is telling me I have
to figure out what it is to be a
00:52:53.46\00:52:54.93
man.
00:52:54.93\00:52:55.70
Well if dad's not in the home.
00:52:55.70\00:52:57.36
Well what's
going to be my source?
00:52:57.36\00:52:58.76
What will be my reference point?
00:52:58.76\00:53:00.40
So it's MTV or
it's--so then you figure out.
00:53:00.40\00:53:02.93
>>Heaven forbid.
00:53:02.93\00:53:03.73
>>The way that I dress.
00:53:03.73\00:53:04.70
>>The way you project yourself.
00:53:04.70\00:53:06.50
>>The way I talk.
00:53:06.50\00:53:07.56
The way that I project myself.
00:53:07.56\00:53:09.30
All that is--is I'm just
mirroring some persona that I'm
00:53:09.30\00:53:13.76
watching or that
I'm looking up to.
00:53:13.76\00:53:16.56
And I'm trying
to be that person.
00:53:16.56\00:53:18.06
So I talk the way that I talk.
00:53:18.06\00:53:19.96
I dress the way that I dress.
00:53:19.96\00:53:21.03
And that's exactly the
transaction that needs to
00:53:21.03\00:53:24.43
happen.
00:53:24.43\00:53:25.66
That's what we find in God
is we find our reference point.
00:53:25.66\00:53:27.36
Who am I?
00:53:27.36\00:53:30.16
Who was I created to be?
00:53:30.16\00:53:31.86
This comes right back to
where we began in Genesis
00:53:31.86\00:53:33.76
and asking the question
basically why did God create us
00:53:33.76\00:53:37.40
in the first place, ya
know, what is a human being?
00:53:37.40\00:53:41.20
And we discover in the Genesis
account that human beings were
00:53:41.20\00:53:45.73
made by God, as you pointed out
in Isaiah 43:7 For God's glory.
00:53:45.73\00:53:52.36
But let's just wrap
some more language in that.
00:53:52.36\00:53:55.10
There's a collection of
capacities that a human being
00:53:55.10\00:54:00.06
has, right?
00:54:00.06\00:54:01.26
We can say number one, we
are intellectual creatures or
00:54:01.26\00:54:03.63
rational creatures.
00:54:03.63\00:54:04.66
>>Mhm.
00:54:04.66\00:54:05.56
>>Right?
00:54:05.56\00:54:06.20
We have the capacity
00:54:06.20\00:54:07.20
>>To learn.
00:54:07.20\00:54:08.80
>>Think, to learn.
00:54:08.80\00:54:09.63
Okay.
00:54:09.63\00:54:10.33
>>Deduce.
00:54:10.33\00:54:11.13
>>We're also
emotional creatures.
00:54:11.13\00:54:12.26
We're also volitional creatures
or free will creatures.
00:54:12.26\00:54:15.56
We make decisions.
00:54:15.56\00:54:16.76
And as they said
then they make us.
00:54:16.76\00:54:18.06
We're relational creatures.
00:54:18.06\00:54:20.46
You know all of these things.
00:54:20.46\00:54:22.66
>>We're creative.
00:54:22.66\00:54:23.96
>>We're creative beings.
00:54:23.96\00:54:25.56
Right?
00:54:25.56\00:54:26.43
Not only
procreative but creativity.
00:54:26.43\00:54:28.80
I mean God said
okay here's this garden.
00:54:28.80\00:54:30.83
>>Make it beautiful.
00:54:30.83\00:54:32.80
>>Now I want you.
00:54:32.80\00:54:34.36
Yeah it's a beautiful
garden the Garden of Eden.
00:54:34.36\00:54:36.60
Now I want you to tend to it.
00:54:36.60\00:54:37.63
To manage it.
00:54:37.63\00:54:38.90
And you get the implication that
they were to grow the garden.
00:54:38.90\00:54:41.36
That is to expand it so that
the whole world would become an
00:54:41.36\00:54:45.16
Eden.
00:54:45.16\00:54:46.90
>>Yes that's right.
00:54:46.90\00:54:47.86
>>So apply your creativity.
00:54:47.86\00:54:49.60
>>Naming of the animals.
00:54:49.60\00:54:50.90
>>The naming of the animals is
an expression of God basically
00:54:50.90\00:54:52.96
saying hey.
00:54:52.96\00:54:54.20
>>Figure this out.
00:54:54.20\00:54:55.23
>>Get creative.
00:54:55.23\00:54:56.36
I'm not going to tell you
the answer to every issue.
00:54:56.36\00:54:58.80
I want you to
name the--I love that.
00:54:58.80\00:55:01.33
I want you to name the animals.
00:55:01.33\00:55:02.76
I want you to use your mind to
come up with something to name
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the animals.
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>>And whatever you come
up with we'll roll with it.
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God said we'll roll with it.
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Yeah I like that.
00:55:11.43\00:55:13.10
We'll roll with it.
00:55:13.10\00:55:14.30
>>Yeah, yeah.
00:55:14.30\00:55:16.83
>>Isn't that something?
00:55:16.83\00:55:17.80
God's a delegator for sure.
00:55:17.80\00:55:18.60
He's not a control freak.
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>>So Ty what I'm hearing you
say then is that you have these
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capacities intellectual,
emotional, volitional,
00:55:22.16\00:55:24.13
relational, creative.
00:55:24.13\00:55:24.93
That's the kind
of person God is.
00:55:24.93\00:55:27.30
So he made us those kinds of
people intellectual, emotional.
00:55:27.30\00:55:31.46
>>In his likeness.
00:55:31.46\00:55:32.50
>>Yeah.
00:55:32.50\00:55:33.30
>>Isn't that something?
00:55:33.30\00:55:34.50
>>That's absolutely beautiful.
00:55:34.50\00:55:35.50
Now let me say this.
00:55:35.50\00:55:36.36
What do you think of this?
00:55:36.36\00:55:37.63
You mentioned just MTV earlier
but that's a very modern thing,
00:55:37.63\00:55:40.73
right?
00:55:40.73\00:55:42.00
Two hundred years ago what did
the world say that a man was or
00:55:42.00\00:55:44.66
a woman was?
00:55:44.66\00:55:46.33
And four hundred years ago what
did the world say a man was or a
00:55:46.33\00:55:48.40
woman was?
00:55:48.40\00:55:49.60
It's always changing.
00:55:49.60\00:55:50.50
It's shifting.
00:55:50.50\00:55:51.63
If you look at what was
beautiful back in, you know a
00:55:51.63\00:55:54.13
certain old,
renaissance era paintings.
00:55:54.13\00:55:56.16
The girls that they thought were
the beautiful girls don't look
00:55:56.16\00:55:59.10
like today.
00:55:59.10\00:56:00.06
>>Right.
00:56:00.06\00:56:00.96
>>So here's
something that's powerful.
00:56:00.96\00:56:02.23
Fashions shift and the world's
perspective of beauty and what
00:56:02.23\00:56:06.56
makes somebody important shifts.
00:56:06.56\00:56:08.46
But God's perspective
of what really matters.
00:56:08.46\00:56:12.80
What's really beautiful?
00:56:12.80\00:56:13.73
What makes you a true human?
00:56:13.73\00:56:14.70
The best
Jeffrey that you can be.
00:56:14.70\00:56:16.73
That doesn't shift.
00:56:16.73\00:56:18.40
>>Mhm.
00:56:18.40\00:56:19.76
>>That is.
00:56:19.76\00:56:20.56
>>Well why is that?
00:56:20.56\00:56:21.30
>>Because God doesn't shift.
00:56:21.30\00:56:22.36
>>Because it flows from
his unchanging character.
00:56:22.36\00:56:23.40
>>God doesn't shift.
00:56:23.40\00:56:25.16
>>Which is--and it
flows from his love.
00:56:25.16\00:56:26.53
>>Yeah.
00:56:26.53\00:56:27.63
>>So, so I guess I
would sort of say it this way.
00:56:27.63\00:56:29.80
If someone's
listening in or even for us.
00:56:29.80\00:56:31.16
And you're thinking to
yourself how should I live?
00:56:31.16\00:56:33.83
What should I do?
00:56:33.83\00:56:34.70
What's important in life?
00:56:34.70\00:56:35.73
Who did God make me to be?
00:56:35.73\00:56:37.26
That's the question.
00:56:37.26\00:56:38.36
The world will shift and change.
00:56:38.36\00:56:40.10
And today it's blue
and tomorrow it's black.
00:56:40.10\00:56:42.16
And you know you've heard
the saying the brown is the new
00:56:42.16\00:56:44.70
black, the black is the new
brown and 30 is the new 20 and
00:56:44.70\00:56:46.90
all that.
00:56:46.90\00:56:48.10
No, no, no.
00:56:48.10\00:56:50.10
What does God say?
00:56:50.10\00:56:51.33
He has made us for more than
just a purpose to look like this
00:56:51.33\00:56:53.40
and the makeup and the clothes
and the abs and all that.
00:56:53.40\00:56:57.36
God has made us for something
transcendent not that those are
00:56:57.36\00:57:00.13
unimportant.
00:57:00.13\00:57:01.93
But he's made us
for something bigger.
00:57:01.93\00:57:03.20
For something grander and as the
creator he is the one uniquely
00:57:03.20\00:57:04.76
qualified to tell us
this is why I made you.
00:57:04.76\00:57:09.83
>>Wow it's beautiful.
00:57:09.83\00:57:11.70
Well guys we have one minute.
00:57:11.70\00:57:12.70
So.
00:57:12.70\00:57:13.53
>>How would you summarize.
00:57:13.53\00:57:15.73
>>Two things.
00:57:15.73\00:57:16.63
>>James summarize it.
00:57:16.63\00:57:17.80
>>Number one God is first.
00:57:17.80\00:57:19.06
In order for us to love this way
vertically horizontally we need
00:57:19.06\00:57:22.10
to love.
00:57:22.10\00:57:23.13
We need to understand vertical.
00:57:23.13\00:57:24.23
>>Yeah.
00:57:24.23\00:57:25.20
>>And then
number two what is love?
00:57:25.20\00:57:26.53
So let's just say
we get that right.
00:57:26.53\00:57:28.40
We put God first but who is God?
00:57:28.40\00:57:30.10
What is love?
00:57:30.10\00:57:31.96
Let's identify
love at its source.
00:57:31.96\00:57:33.80
Because we can get a wrong
conception of what love is even
00:57:33.80\00:57:38.33
though we have the right order.
00:57:38.33\00:57:41.06
That love comes
first from God in order.
00:57:41.06\00:57:43.03
>>Okay so what is love?
00:57:43.03\00:57:43.90
>>So what is love?
00:57:43.90\00:57:44.96
Love defined First
Corinthians chapter 13 is other
00:57:44.96\00:57:47.40
centeredness.
00:57:47.40\00:57:48.83
It's selfless.
00:57:48.83\00:57:51.06
It's putting the other person.
00:57:51.06\00:57:52.36
It's projecting out
rather than projecting in.
00:57:52.36\00:57:54.90
>>Yeah.
00:57:54.90\00:57:56.00
>>And that can only come
from another source because
00:57:56.00\00:57:57.56
>>Yes.
00:57:57.56\00:57:58.40
>>All of us by
nature are selfish.
00:57:58.40\00:57:59.43
>>That's right.
00:57:59.43\00:58:01.26
>>We're all thinking first.
00:58:01.26\00:58:02.60
>>We're wired for
self-preservation.
00:58:02.60\00:58:03.86
>>This has been
such a great discussion.
00:58:03.86\00:58:05.23
I have, yeah.
00:58:05.23\00:58:06.06
I thoroughly enjoyed this.
00:58:06.06\00:58:07.26
I've gotten so much out of
what we've been talking about.
00:58:07.26\00:58:08.96
We're going to a
little bit darker place next.
00:58:08.96\00:58:11.76
We're going to talk about
the fall in our next show.
00:58:11.76\00:58:13.80
>>Because God's
original plan was thwarted.
00:58:13.80\00:58:15.33
>>Yeah.
00:58:15.33\00:58:16.20
But that will be good too.
00:58:16.20\00:58:17.50
We'll get some good news.
00:58:17.50\00:58:18.43
>>Amen.
00:58:18.43\00:58:19.23
>>Amen.
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