Aloha.
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Aloha.
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Good to see all
of you here again.
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Thanks for coming.
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We have a very important subject
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of study in this session.
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I just like to mention that
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this first
session is going to be
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the conclusion of
the historical study.
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We've been dealing
with a lot of history,
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because we need to know
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how the counterfeit
prophetic scenarios came in.
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And the only way
that you can know that
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is by studying history.
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Beginning in our
second session today,
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we are gonna begin
studying portions of the Bible
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that are misused
by those who believe
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in a future
application of the Antichrist.
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So we're gonna
delve into the scriptures
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and we're going to look at
the arguments that they use.
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We're gonna consider
them and we are going to
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let the Bible speak
as to whether they are
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accurate or not.
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Before we begin this evening,
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we do want to
have a word of prayer,
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as we always do.
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So I invite you to
bow your heads reverently
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as we pray.
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Father in heaven, we thank You
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for the privilege of being
here in this beautiful place.
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We thank You
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because You have
given us Your word.
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What would it be
like to live in this world
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without Your word.
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We would not know
where things are trending.
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But we have no
reason to be distressed,
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no reason to be concerned
because we know exactly
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where things are leading
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and how the story will end.
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We ask that as
we study Your word
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in this session
that Your Holy Spirit
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will be with us
to guide our thoughts
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and open our hearts.
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And we pray this in
the precious name of Jesus,
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amen.
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The best explanation
that I have ever found
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on the historical
method of interpreting prophecy
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was written by Ellen White.
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In the book
Education, pages 178 and 179,
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Ellen White defined
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what the historical method is.
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And I'd like to
read this statement
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as we begin our study
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in the next few minutes.
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I quote, "The
history that the great I AM
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has marked out in His word,
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uniting link after link
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in the prophetic chain,"
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do you notice that?
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"Link by link in
the prophetic chain
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from eternity in the
past, to eternity in the future,
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tell us where we are today
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in the procession of the ages
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and what may be
expected in the time to come.
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All that prophecy has
foretold as coming to pass,
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until the present time,
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has been traced on
the pages of history,
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and we may be assured
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that all which is yet to come
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will be fulfilled in its order."
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Isn't that a
magnificent description
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of the historical method?
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Everything that
was supposed to be
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fulfilled in the
past was fulfilled.
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Prophecy tells us
where we are in the present
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and exactly what's
gonna happen in the future.
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And she states
that prophecy is a chain
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composed of links
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and one event links to
another beginning with Babylon
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and ending with a
setting up of Christ
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everlasting kingdom.
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Now some people
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wonder whether Ellen White knew
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that people would
miss apply prophecy
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and take prophecies that were
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fulfilled in the past and
project them to the future.
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And the answer to
this question is, yes.
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Ellen White knew
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that some people
were going to take events
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that were fulfilled
in prophecy in the past
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and they were going to
miss apply them to the future.
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In fact, Ellen White
wrote a very long letter.
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It is composed of
two parts, to a teacher,
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a school teacher, by
the name of John Bell.
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You can read the
entirety of this letter
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that she wrote to this teacher
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about his method of
interpreting prophecy
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in Manuscript Releases,
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volume 17, and pages 1 to 23.
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And there she
basically tells Professor Bell,
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that he's taking things
that were fulfilled in the past
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and he is
projecting them to the future
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and warns him not to do that.
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There are some in the
Adventist Church today
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that are doing
something very, very similar.
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For example, they are saying
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that the seven
trumpets are still in the future
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that they haven't
been fulfilled yet.
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Well, the
Seventh-day Adventist view,
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traditional view,
beginning with the pioneers
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is that the trumpets
describe consecutive events
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of church history
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and that we are now
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in the period of
the sixth trumpet.
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And yet individuals are
reinterpreting the trumpets
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and applying them to the future
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when at least the first
five have been fulfilled
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and we are living in
the period of the sixth.
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I wanna read just a
portion of that letter
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that Ellen White wrote
to Professor John Bell.
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This is what she wrote.
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I quote, "Some
will take the truth
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applicable to their time,
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and place it in the future.
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Events in train of prophecy
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that had their fulfillment away
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in the past are made future,
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and that's by these theories,
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the faith of
some is undermined."
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She continues,
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"All that God has
in prophetic history
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specified to be
fulfilled in the past has been,
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and all that has yet to come
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in its order will be."
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Now I encourage you to
read the entire two letters
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that Ellen White
wrote to John Bell.
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They are very enlightening
about the proper way
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of interpreting Bible prophecy.
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Now it's no coincidence
that futurism took hold
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in the late 1820s
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and early 1830s in England
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because at that
period, most of the immigrants
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that came into the United States
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were from Great Britain.
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I believe that was
the devil's intention
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for this
movement towards futurism
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in England in the 1830s,
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to be
transported to the new world,
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to be transported
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to the United States of America.
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You see, at the very time,
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when futurism was
taking hold in Britain,
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in the 1830s,
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on the other
side of the Atlantic,
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in the United
States, in New England,
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there was a
great religious revival
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spearheaded by a man whose name
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I'm sure you're acquainted with,
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William Miller.
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This movement was known as
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the Great
Second Advent Movement.
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And the method
that William Miller
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used to interpret prophecy
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was the method
that we are using here.
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In other words, in Britain,
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futurism was
invading the church,
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immigrants to the United
States would bring it here,
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at the same time
in the United States,
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the Millerite movement
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was using the
historicist method to interpret
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Bible prophecy,
two rival methods.
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Now it's no secret
that during the times
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of this Great
Second Advent Movement,
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protestant denominations
fought William Miller
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and his fellow
laborers, tooth and nail.
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The mainline churches
expelled entire families
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for embracing the
Millerite message.
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When Jesus failed
to come as expected,
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Protestantism
forsook historicism
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and embraced
futurism in its place.
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In other words,
the fact that Jesus
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did not come in 1844,
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after William Miller
and his fellow laborers
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had used the historicist method
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to predict that
Jesus would come.
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The Protestant world
said, see, we told you so,
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that method does not work.
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You're wondering
whether that's true.
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I wanna read now
several statements
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from Protestant
scholars that tell us
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that the reason
why historicism died
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in the 1840s
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is simply because of
The Great Disappointment
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of the Millerite movement.
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And these scholars are
not Seventh-day Adventists,
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these scholars are clergy
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and scholars from
other denominations.
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The first individual
that I want to read from
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is called Richard Kyle.
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He wrote a book, "The
Last Days Are Here Again."
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And Richard Kyle once belonged
to the Plymouth brethren.
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In other words, he
was once a futurist,
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but he abandoned the movement.
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And he wrote this book,
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which is critical of
the Plymouth Brethren
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and it's critical of futurism.
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He wrote in his book,
"The Last Days Are Here Again,"
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page 91, the following words.
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And I quote.
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"Despite its visibility,
the Millerite movement
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had little influence
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on subsequent
end-time thinking."
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Once again, I'll read that.
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It's important that we
catch what he's saying.
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"Despite its visibility
the Millerite movement
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had little
influence on subsequent
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end- time thinking."
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In other words,
Millerism had no impact
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on concepts that people
had regarding Bible Prophecy
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after the Millerite movement.
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He continues, "It did, however,
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have three long term effects."
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Millerism had
three long term effects.
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What were they?
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"Number one, Millerism spawned
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the Seventh-day
Adventist Church.
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Second, it discredited
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historicist premillennialism,
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causing it to fade out
almost entirely after 1844."
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Did you catch that?
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Once again number two.
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"It discredited
historicist premillennialism,"
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that's historicism,
"causing it to fade out
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almost entirely after 1844.
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And number three,
"The Millerite fiasco
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demonstrated the perils
of setting definite dates
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for Christ's return."
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So Richard Kyle, who was
once a futurist is saying,
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the Millerite
movement had little impact
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on the thinking
about end-time events
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after the Millerite movement.
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It spawned the
Seventh-day Adventist Church,
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and it made historicism fade
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after the great disappointment.
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In a further statement,
Richard Kyle wrote something
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very interesting once
again concerning historicism.
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In his book, The Last
Days Are Here Again, page 102,
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he wrote, and I quote,
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"The Great
Disappointment of 1844
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had decimated
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historicist premillennialism."
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What is it that was decimated?
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Historicist, what?
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Premillennialism.
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He says that was
The Great Disappointment
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that decimated it.
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And then he says this,
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"But a futurist premillennialism
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called dispensationalism
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soon arrived on the scene."
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In other words, after
1844, historicism fades away,
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but there's another
system that's coming in at that
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same time, futurism.
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Another scholar, who
is a futurist by the way,
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he wrote...
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He actually, he was a
co-author of a book titled
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"The Great Tribulation,
past or future page 6.
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Once again, he refers
to The Great Disappointment
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in 1844 as the reason
why historicism faded away.
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This is a longer statement,
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but it has several
very significant points.
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And I quote, "Historicism,
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once the dominant
view of Protestants."
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Notice, he's admitting that
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historicism was
the dominant view
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of Protestants.
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So, "Historicism,
once the dominant view
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of Protestants
from the Reformation
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until the middle
of the last century,"
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and by the way,
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he's not writing
in the 21st century,
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he's writing this
in the 20th century.
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So the previous century
would be the 19th century.
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So he states, "Historicism,
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once the dominant
view of Protestants
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from the Reformation,
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until the middle
of the last century,
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appears to exert
little attraction
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as a system of
prophetic interpretation
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to conservative Christians."
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And then he adds in parentheses,
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"Outside of
Seventh-day Adventist circles."
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Are you
understanding the statement?
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The conclusion is remarkable.
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He wrote, "Within evangelicalism
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during the last one
hundred fifty years,
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futurism has grown to dominate
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and overcome historicism."
00:15:06.13\00:15:10.07
That's a remarkable admission.
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He's saying that the method
00:15:13.01\00:15:14.44
that Miller
used was historicism.
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When Jesus did not come,
00:15:17.28\00:15:19.11
as Miller
predicted, people said,
00:15:19.15\00:15:21.62
"The method was wrong."
00:15:21.65\00:15:23.39
And so they threw away
the baby with the bathwater,
00:15:23.42\00:15:27.66
if you please.
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And another system came
in, in its place, futurism,
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imported from Great
Britain, around the same time
00:15:33.66\00:15:37.33
by individuals
like Irving and Darby,
00:15:37.37\00:15:40.80
and others.
00:15:40.84\00:15:42.87
Folks, Satan is an avid student
00:15:42.90\00:15:46.78
of prophecy
00:15:46.81\00:15:48.88
because Satan wants to know
00:15:48.91\00:15:50.71
how prophetic events will occur
00:15:50.75\00:15:53.18
so that he can
attempt to destroy
00:15:53.21\00:15:57.39
the sequence of events
that God has established.
00:15:57.42\00:16:00.32
Satan wants to
confuse people's minds.
00:16:00.36\00:16:03.89
So Satan studies prophecies
in order to lead people
00:16:03.93\00:16:09.63
to wrong conclusions
about Bible prophecy.
00:16:09.66\00:16:13.40
You know, in 1844,
there was a tremendous number
00:16:13.44\00:16:19.07
of religious
movements taking place in Europe
00:16:19.11\00:16:24.41
and in the United States.
00:16:24.45\00:16:26.45
In fact, New
England, where William Miller
00:16:26.48\00:16:30.25
mostly preached
was called the burned
00:16:30.29\00:16:35.06
over district because
there were so many movements,
00:16:35.09\00:16:39.09
so many religious movements
that people didn't even know
00:16:39.13\00:16:42.26
what was truth
and what wasn't truth,
00:16:42.30\00:16:44.53
because every movement
claimed to have the truth.
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Let me just mention
some of these movements
00:16:49.14\00:16:51.17
that arose around the same time
00:16:51.21\00:16:53.74
as the Millerite movement.
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Satan influenced
these movements to appear
00:16:55.21\00:16:58.48
because he wanted
people to not know
00:16:58.51\00:17:00.82
where the truth was
because he knew that
00:17:00.85\00:17:03.65
the true church
was about to reappear
00:17:03.69\00:17:07.22
after the year 1844.
00:17:07.26\00:17:09.82
Around this same period,
you have Mormonism appearing
00:17:09.86\00:17:14.86
with their
Prophet, Joseph Smith.
00:17:14.90\00:17:18.43
At the same time you
had Christian Science
00:17:18.47\00:17:21.70
appearing with its
prophet Mary Baker Eddy.
00:17:21.74\00:17:25.61
During this time,
Theosophy appeared,
00:17:25.64\00:17:28.74
with its
champion, Helena Blavatsky.
00:17:28.78\00:17:33.08
During this time,
the Bahá'í originated
00:17:33.11\00:17:36.38
with its founder, 'Abdu'l-Bahá.
00:17:36.42\00:17:39.52
During this time,
spiritualism became prevalent
00:17:39.55\00:17:44.23
through the Fox sisters
and Andrew Jackson Davis.
00:17:44.26\00:17:48.26
During this time,
Pentecostalism had its origin
00:17:48.30\00:17:52.47
in the United
States with its champion
00:17:52.50\00:17:54.60
Margaret MacDonald.
00:17:54.64\00:17:56.50
During this radius of
time, the Jehovah's Witnesses
00:17:56.54\00:18:00.71
appeared with their
prophet, Charles Taze Russell.
00:18:00.74\00:18:05.38
During this time,
futurism took a hold
00:18:05.41\00:18:09.18
through John Nelson
Darby and Edward Irving.
00:18:09.22\00:18:13.56
And of course, we all
know that during this time,
00:18:13.59\00:18:16.69
evolutionism through
Charles Darwin and Marxism,
00:18:16.73\00:18:21.73
through Karl Marx
and Friedrich Engels
00:18:21.76\00:18:24.43
had their origins.
00:18:24.47\00:18:26.77
Let me ask you,
00:18:26.80\00:18:28.14
was Satan doing
everything possible
00:18:28.17\00:18:30.67
to confuse the minds of people
00:18:30.71\00:18:33.71
so that they could not
interpret prophecy correctly
00:18:33.74\00:18:37.01
and they would not
know where to turn?
00:18:37.05\00:18:39.65
It becomes very obvious
historically that this was
00:18:39.68\00:18:43.12
what Satan was attempting to do.
00:18:43.15\00:18:46.45
Let me ask you,
do you think that
00:18:46.49\00:18:49.12
Satan knew when
the 2300 days began?
00:18:49.16\00:18:55.10
Do you think Satan
knew when the decree
00:18:55.13\00:18:57.90
was given to build
00:18:57.93\00:18:59.80
and restore Jerusalem?
00:18:59.83\00:19:01.60
Of course he did.
00:19:01.64\00:19:03.27
Did he know that
00:19:03.30\00:19:04.64
Daniel received the
revelation from God,
00:19:04.67\00:19:07.38
that from the going
forth of the word to build
00:19:07.41\00:19:11.18
and restore Jerusalem
00:19:11.21\00:19:12.81
until the coming of the Messiah,
00:19:12.85\00:19:15.22
there would be 69 weeks
and then during the last week,
00:19:15.25\00:19:19.69
Messiah would be anointed,
that's the baptism of Jesus
00:19:19.72\00:19:22.96
in the middle of the
week, Messiah would be cut off
00:19:22.99\00:19:26.03
and at the end of the last week,
00:19:26.06\00:19:28.86
the Jewish nation would be
rejected as God's theocracy?
00:19:28.90\00:19:32.07
Did Satan know all of
that by his study of prophecy?
00:19:32.10\00:19:36.10
He most certainly did.
00:19:36.14\00:19:37.71
Therefore, did
the devil know that
00:19:37.74\00:19:39.77
the 2300 days were
going to end in the year 1844?
00:19:39.81\00:19:44.91
Of course he did.
00:19:44.95\00:19:46.51
And of course, we all know that
00:19:46.55\00:19:47.88
the Millerites were correct
with regards to the date.
00:19:47.92\00:19:52.35
The date that was
established, October 22, 1844,
00:19:52.39\00:19:56.52
was the correct date.
00:19:56.56\00:19:59.19
The problem was that
they had the event wrong.
00:19:59.23\00:20:03.20
You see they believed
00:20:03.23\00:20:04.57
that the
cleansing of the sanctuary
00:20:04.60\00:20:06.23
was that Jesus was gonna
come to cleanse the earth.
00:20:06.27\00:20:08.94
Nowhere does the Bible say that
00:20:08.97\00:20:10.54
the earth is the sanctuary.
00:20:10.57\00:20:12.17
It was just an assumption.
00:20:12.21\00:20:14.11
But Jesus did do
something in 1844 on October 22.
00:20:14.14\00:20:18.95
He did not come to this
earth to cleanse the earth.
00:20:18.98\00:20:21.88
He went into the Most Holy Place
00:20:21.92\00:20:24.29
to cleanse the sanctuary
00:20:24.32\00:20:26.05
from the sins of God's people.
00:20:26.09\00:20:29.19
But the
Protestant world rejected
00:20:29.22\00:20:32.43
the message of the Millerites.
00:20:32.46\00:20:36.43
Now I want to read you
some statements from scholars,
00:20:36.46\00:20:39.90
non-Adventist
scholars that describes,
00:20:39.93\00:20:44.14
that each of them
describes where preterism
00:20:44.17\00:20:48.14
and futurism come from.
00:20:48.18\00:20:50.75
You remember that we
studied that, you know,
00:20:50.78\00:20:53.75
preterism comes
from an individual called
00:20:53.78\00:20:55.98
Luis de Alcasar,
a Jesuit from Spain.
00:20:56.02\00:21:00.29
And futurism originates
with another Jesuit scholar
00:21:00.32\00:21:04.36
Francisco Ribera.
00:21:04.39\00:21:06.13
And you might be saying, well,
00:21:06.16\00:21:07.56
that's just Pastor
Ribera's interpretation,
00:21:07.60\00:21:09.83
that's just Le Roy Edwin Froom.
00:21:09.86\00:21:12.47
Well, allow me to read
you from several scholars
00:21:12.50\00:21:16.74
who tell us where preterism
and futurism originated.
00:21:16.77\00:21:22.24
The first that I'm gonna read
00:21:22.28\00:21:24.18
is from a Roman
Catholic scholar.
00:21:24.21\00:21:27.45
Interesting.
00:21:27.48\00:21:29.08
His name is G.S. Hitchcock
00:21:29.12\00:21:32.59
and this is what he wrote.
00:21:32.62\00:21:35.42
"The futurist school,
00:21:35.46\00:21:38.56
founded by the
Jesuit Ribera in 1591,
00:21:38.59\00:21:44.43
looks for Antichrist, Babylon
00:21:44.47\00:21:49.17
and a rebuilt
temple in Jerusalem,
00:21:49.20\00:21:52.44
at the end of the
Christian dispensation."
00:21:52.47\00:21:56.61
Did you catch that?
00:21:56.64\00:21:58.58
What is this Roman
Catholic scholar saying?
00:21:58.61\00:22:01.55
He's saying that
the futuristic school
00:22:01.58\00:22:03.79
was founded by the
Jesuit Ribera in 1591.
00:22:03.82\00:22:09.19
And he's saying
that this system looks
00:22:09.22\00:22:11.36
for the Antichrist to rise
00:22:11.39\00:22:13.50
in a rebuild Jerusalem temple
00:22:13.53\00:22:15.96
at the end of the
Christian dispensation,
00:22:16.00\00:22:18.63
which then means that
00:22:18.67\00:22:20.00
it does not apply to the papacy.
00:22:20.04\00:22:22.84
He continued writing,
"The Preterist School,"
00:22:22.87\00:22:26.74
that is the school
that says that prophecy
00:22:26.78\00:22:28.71
was fulfilled in
the distant past,
00:22:28.74\00:22:30.85
"The Preterist School founded by
00:22:30.88\00:22:34.35
the Jesuit Alcazar in 1614,
00:22:34.38\00:22:38.82
explains the Revelation
00:22:38.85\00:22:40.89
by the Fall of Jerusalem,
00:22:40.92\00:22:42.86
or by the fall of
Pagan Rome in 410 A.D."
00:22:42.89\00:22:48.53
There you have it from
a Roman Catholic himself.
00:22:48.56\00:22:51.93
He's telling us that
futurism and preterism
00:22:51.97\00:22:56.07
comes from the womb of
the Roman Catholic papacy
00:22:56.10\00:23:00.68
more
specifically, Jesuit scholars.
00:23:00.71\00:23:05.58
Let me read you a
statement by Dean Henry Alford.
00:23:05.61\00:23:09.52
In the Prolegomena
of his Greek testament,
00:23:09.55\00:23:12.95
he described the
origins of preterism.
00:23:12.99\00:23:16.32
This is what he
wrote and I quote.
00:23:16.36\00:23:20.03
"The preterist
view found no favor
00:23:20.06\00:23:25.13
and was hardly so
much as thought of,
00:23:25.17\00:23:28.50
in the times of
primitive Christianity."
00:23:28.54\00:23:31.04
In other words,
in the early church,
00:23:31.07\00:23:33.81
preterism did not
awaken much interest.
00:23:33.84\00:23:38.25
Then it continued,
"The view is said to
00:23:38.28\00:23:40.68
have been first promulgated
in anything like completeness
00:23:40.72\00:23:45.59
by the Jesuit Alcazar in 1614."
00:23:45.62\00:23:49.42
There you have another
scholar saying that in 1614,
00:23:49.46\00:23:52.99
the Jesuit Alcazar
00:23:53.03\00:23:55.40
originated the
idea of preterism.
00:23:55.43\00:23:59.40
The same writer spoke about
00:23:59.43\00:24:01.87
or wrote about the
origins of futurism.
00:24:01.90\00:24:06.01
Once again, he says,
"The founder of this system
00:24:06.04\00:24:10.35
in modern times
appears to have been
00:24:10.38\00:24:13.82
the Jesuit Ribera about A.D.
00:24:13.85\00:24:17.29
1580."
00:24:17.32\00:24:19.22
There you have another
scholar saying that futurism
00:24:19.25\00:24:23.73
and preterism had its origin
00:24:23.76\00:24:27.23
in the Roman Catholic Church
00:24:27.26\00:24:30.53
by two Jesuit scholars of
the Roman Catholic Church.
00:24:30.57\00:24:35.74
Let me read you
from Richard Kyle
00:24:35.77\00:24:37.97
who I mentioned before.
00:24:38.01\00:24:40.41
He wrote about the
origins of futurism.
00:24:40.44\00:24:46.35
And I quote, "Among the Jesuits
00:24:46.38\00:24:50.19
who insisted that the Antichrist
00:24:50.22\00:24:52.49
was still to come,
00:24:52.52\00:24:54.62
the approach of the
Spaniard Franciscus Ribeira,"
00:24:54.66\00:24:59.13
he's giving his Latin name,
00:24:59.16\00:25:01.56
"had significant implications
00:25:01.60\00:25:04.47
for future millennial thought."
00:25:04.50\00:25:07.30
Now he's saying something
that the others didn't say,
00:25:07.34\00:25:10.11
and that is that the
views of Francisco Ribera
00:25:10.14\00:25:14.71
had significant implications
for future millennial thought.
00:25:14.74\00:25:18.25
In other words, that was
gonna 'cause a future impact
00:25:18.28\00:25:20.65
in the
interpretation of prophecy.
00:25:20.68\00:25:22.92
He continues writing,
00:25:22.95\00:25:24.62
"Both Catholics and Protestants,
00:25:24.65\00:25:27.19
who identified the Antichrist
as a contemporary pope
00:25:27.22\00:25:32.26
or leader generally took
a historicist interpretation
00:25:32.29\00:25:37.27
of John's Revelation."
00:25:37.30\00:25:39.60
Ribeira reintroduced
00:25:39.63\00:25:42.94
a somewhat
literal interpretation
00:25:42.97\00:25:45.57
of John's Revelation."
00:25:45.61\00:25:47.64
Ribeira
reintroduced a somewhat literal
00:25:47.68\00:25:51.41
futuristic approach to
the Apocalypse of John.
00:25:51.45\00:25:55.25
In doing this, he concluded that
00:25:55.28\00:25:57.75
the Antichrist
00:25:57.79\00:25:59.32
was a future renegade Jew."
00:25:59.35\00:26:04.33
So there you
have another scholar.
00:26:04.36\00:26:06.70
We've quoted
three of them so far.
00:26:06.73\00:26:09.60
Let me quote now
from George Eldon Ladd.
00:26:09.63\00:26:13.87
He wrote a very important book
00:26:13.90\00:26:16.10
that has many, many good things.
00:26:16.14\00:26:18.44
It's called "The
Presence Of The Future."
00:26:18.47\00:26:20.68
And he wrote many
books, but that's the one
00:26:20.71\00:26:22.71
that I think I
appreciated the most.
00:26:22.74\00:26:25.71
He was once a futurist but
he also abandoned futurism.
00:26:25.75\00:26:31.45
You see, there are many scholars
00:26:31.49\00:26:32.85
that have abandoned futurism
00:26:32.89\00:26:34.22
because they say it
doesn't make any sense,
00:26:34.26\00:26:36.36
because it abuses
the scriptures that
00:26:36.39\00:26:38.39
twist the scriptures,
it offers all kinds of
00:26:38.43\00:26:40.46
private interpretations
00:26:40.50\00:26:41.83
as we will see
in our next study.
00:26:41.86\00:26:44.53
From George Eldon
Ladd, he wrote the following,
00:26:44.57\00:26:47.90
and I quote.
00:26:47.94\00:26:49.54
"It will
probably come as a shock
00:26:49.57\00:26:53.04
to many modern
futurists to be told,"
00:26:53.07\00:26:58.35
it will be a shock to futurists,
00:26:58.38\00:26:59.71
did you know that?
00:26:59.75\00:27:01.22
"It would probably be a shock
00:27:01.42\00:27:02.75
to many modern
futurists to be told
00:27:02.78\00:27:06.35
that the first scholar
in relatively modern times
00:27:06.39\00:27:10.89
who returned
00:27:10.93\00:27:12.26
to the patristic
futuristic interpretation
00:27:12.29\00:27:15.60
was a Spanish
Jesuit named Ribera.
00:27:15.63\00:27:19.77
In 1590, Ribera
published a commentary
00:27:19.80\00:27:23.71
on the Revelation as
a counter-interpretation
00:27:23.74\00:27:28.28
to the prevailing
view among Protestants
00:27:28.31\00:27:31.31
which identified the
Papacy with the Antichrist."
00:27:31.35\00:27:35.98
What was the
purpose of futurism?
00:27:36.02\00:27:37.65
It was to what?
00:27:37.69\00:27:39.02
To offer a
counter-interpretation
00:27:39.05\00:27:42.76
different than the
view that Protestants had.
00:27:42.79\00:27:45.43
And the Protestants of course,
00:27:45.46\00:27:46.80
used the historicist method
00:27:46.83\00:27:48.50
to identify the
Papacy as the Antichrist.
00:27:48.53\00:27:52.60
The quotation ends by saying
00:27:52.63\00:27:55.00
and this is the
view of futurism.
00:27:55.04\00:27:57.27
"Antichrist would
be a single evil person
00:27:57.31\00:28:02.24
who would be
received by the Jews
00:28:02.28\00:28:04.85
and would rebuild Jerusalem,
00:28:04.88\00:28:07.25
abolish
Christianity, deny Christ,
00:28:07.28\00:28:11.22
persecute the
Church and rule the world
00:28:11.25\00:28:14.92
for three and a half years."
00:28:14.96\00:28:19.49
So there you
have it from scholars
00:28:19.53\00:28:21.13
who are not
Seventh-day Adventists.
00:28:21.16\00:28:23.23
Where did preterism originate?
00:28:23.26\00:28:26.27
It originated with Alcazar,
00:28:26.30\00:28:30.51
a Spaniard Jesuit
00:28:30.54\00:28:33.38
and it is the official
Roman Catholic view now.
00:28:33.41\00:28:37.58
Where did
futurism originate from?
00:28:37.61\00:28:40.25
It originated once
again with the Jesuits,
00:28:40.28\00:28:43.59
with Francisco Rivera,
00:28:43.62\00:28:45.49
who wrote a
commentary in Revelation,
00:28:45.52\00:28:48.36
saying that the Antichrist
00:28:48.39\00:28:50.39
would be a
future nasty individual
00:28:50.43\00:28:52.69
who would rebuild
the Jewish temple,
00:28:52.73\00:28:54.66
persecute the Jews and rule
00:28:54.70\00:28:57.27
for three and a
half literal years.
00:28:57.30\00:29:00.84
And Protestantism has imbibed
00:29:00.87\00:29:04.51
these counterfeit ways
of interpreting prophecy.
00:29:04.54\00:29:07.71
In fact, Dave Hunt,
as we noticed yesterday,
00:29:07.74\00:29:10.31
was so explicit on this.
00:29:10.35\00:29:12.55
He said, "Yes, the
Protestant reformers,"
00:29:12.58\00:29:15.02
unanimously is
the word that he uses.
00:29:15.05\00:29:17.42
"The Protestant
reformers unanimously
00:29:17.45\00:29:19.85
believed that the
Pope was the Antichrist."
00:29:19.89\00:29:21.89
But he says, "They were wrong."
00:29:21.92\00:29:25.13
Even though he gives a quotation
00:29:25.16\00:29:27.33
where he gives a description
00:29:27.36\00:29:28.70
of what Antichrist will be like.
00:29:28.73\00:29:30.93
He's not your run
of the mill futurist
00:29:30.97\00:29:32.83
because he doesn't believe
that the future Antichrist
00:29:32.87\00:29:35.40
will be a nasty
individual necessarily.
00:29:35.44\00:29:37.64
It's gonna be someone that
is gonna infiltrate the church,
00:29:37.67\00:29:40.48
and he's gonna claim
to be the representative
00:29:40.51\00:29:43.04
of Christ on earth.
00:29:43.08\00:29:45.38
And yet he could not see
or maybe he didn't wanna see
00:29:45.41\00:29:49.18
that there was in
Rome, an individual
00:29:49.22\00:29:51.85
who claims to be the
successor of Jesus Christ
00:29:51.89\00:29:55.16
and sits within
the Christian Church,
00:29:55.19\00:29:59.73
incredible blindness.
00:29:59.76\00:30:02.36
Now we have
previously identified
00:30:02.40\00:30:06.30
the little horn and the beast
00:30:06.33\00:30:10.14
as the Roman Catholic papacy,
00:30:10.17\00:30:11.84
the first beast
of Revelation 13,
00:30:11.87\00:30:14.18
the beast that
rises from the sea.
00:30:14.21\00:30:17.05
However, we have also said
00:30:17.08\00:30:19.41
that another beast
rose after this first beast.
00:30:19.45\00:30:24.05
It is a beast that
did not rise from the sea,
00:30:24.09\00:30:27.16
it rather rose from the earth.
00:30:27.19\00:30:30.36
And we have
identified this beast
00:30:30.39\00:30:33.33
as representing which nation?
00:30:33.36\00:30:36.40
It represents the
United States of America.
00:30:36.43\00:30:41.14
The beast has two
horns like a lamb,
00:30:41.17\00:30:45.11
but it ends up
speaking like a dragon.
00:30:45.14\00:30:49.71
The two horns of course,
00:30:49.74\00:30:51.08
represents civil
and religious liberty.
00:30:51.11\00:30:53.92
The two horns represent
00:30:53.95\00:30:55.28
the separation
of church and state
00:30:55.32\00:30:57.39
because when you
join church and state,
00:30:57.42\00:30:59.55
there is neither
civil nor religious liberty.
00:30:59.59\00:31:02.42
And our founders
of the United States
00:31:02.46\00:31:04.39
knew this very well.
00:31:04.43\00:31:06.33
And so they radically
separated church and state,
00:31:06.36\00:31:09.33
and they guaranteed full
civil and religious liberty.
00:31:09.36\00:31:12.60
It's called
Republicanism and Protestantism,
00:31:12.63\00:31:17.31
that is a state without a king
and a church without a pope,
00:31:17.34\00:31:21.38
if you want a
description of what that means.
00:31:21.41\00:31:24.81
Now this beast that rises
00:31:24.85\00:31:26.35
from the earth
will speak like a dragon
00:31:26.38\00:31:30.19
but this beast is given
another name in Revelation.
00:31:30.22\00:31:33.96
Not only is it the beast
that rises from the earth,
00:31:33.99\00:31:37.83
but this beast has another name
00:31:37.86\00:31:40.50
in the Book of Revelation.
00:31:40.53\00:31:41.86
You see... Now wait a minute.
00:31:41.90\00:31:43.30
What's the name that has given,
00:31:43.33\00:31:45.27
the other name that
has given to this beast?
00:31:45.30\00:31:48.04
Well, let's go
to Revelation 16:13.
00:31:48.07\00:31:53.11
Revelation 16:13.
00:31:53.14\00:31:58.15
Now you remember
00:31:58.18\00:31:59.51
that in
Revelation, Chapter 12 and 13,
00:31:59.55\00:32:01.25
there are three beasts.
00:32:01.28\00:32:03.52
In Revelation Chapter
12 you have the dragon.
00:32:03.55\00:32:08.12
In Revelation
13:1-10, you have the beast.
00:32:08.16\00:32:12.16
And in Revelation 13:11-18,
00:32:12.19\00:32:14.76
you have the
beast from the earth.
00:32:14.80\00:32:17.63
So how many are God's enemies?
00:32:17.67\00:32:20.10
God's enemies are three, right?
00:32:20.14\00:32:22.24
The dragon... What
does the dragon represent?
00:32:22.27\00:32:26.27
Come on. What does
the dragon represent?
00:32:26.31\00:32:28.94
It represents Satan but
there's more to the story.
00:32:28.98\00:32:33.11
Who tried to kill the
child when the child was born?
00:32:33.15\00:32:38.25
Was it Satan?
00:32:38.29\00:32:40.06
Did Satan stand next to Mary
with a pitchfork in his hand
00:32:40.09\00:32:43.79
and his tail sticking
out, ready to kill Jesus
00:32:43.83\00:32:46.39
when Jesus was born?
00:32:46.43\00:32:47.76
By the way, the
devil is not like that.
00:32:47.80\00:32:49.60
I'm just...
00:32:49.63\00:32:51.03
You know, giving
you a description
00:32:51.07\00:32:53.07
of what many people
think the devil looks like
00:32:53.10\00:32:54.80
but he was a beautiful
angel according to scripture.
00:32:54.84\00:32:57.64
But Ellen White
says that he's aged.
00:32:57.67\00:32:59.97
You wanna read it in
Early Writings page 152,
00:33:00.01\00:33:02.71
he's getting old,
his hair is receding.
00:33:02.74\00:33:06.35
Anyway, I'm not gonna
get into that description.
00:33:06.38\00:33:08.82
But in Revelation Chapter
12, it says that the dragon
00:33:08.85\00:33:12.32
stood next to the
woman to devour a child
00:33:12.35\00:33:14.52
as soon as the child was born.
00:33:14.56\00:33:16.26
Well, the fact is,
00:33:16.29\00:33:17.63
the devil did not
do that in person.
00:33:17.66\00:33:19.26
What did he use?
00:33:19.29\00:33:20.73
He used the ruler of
the Roman Empire, Herod.
00:33:20.76\00:33:23.93
So the dragon
even though primarily
00:33:23.97\00:33:26.33
it represents
Satan, it represents Satan
00:33:26.37\00:33:29.17
working through Pagan Rome.
00:33:29.20\00:33:32.14
So the dragon in
Revelation 12 is Pagan Rome.
00:33:32.17\00:33:35.74
Then in Revelation 13:1-10,
00:33:35.78\00:33:37.98
you have the beast
that rises from the sea.
00:33:38.01\00:33:40.52
That beast that rises
00:33:40.55\00:33:41.88
from the sea
blasphemes against God,
00:33:41.92\00:33:45.45
he persecutes the
saints of the most High
00:33:45.49\00:33:48.06
and he rules for 42 months,
00:33:48.09\00:33:49.82
the same thing that
the little horn did.
00:33:49.86\00:33:52.99
So the beast from the
sea represents the same thing
00:33:53.03\00:33:55.83
as the little horn.
00:33:55.86\00:33:57.20
And we know that
that beast represents
00:33:57.23\00:33:59.00
the Roman Catholic papacy.
00:33:59.03\00:34:02.40
But then you have the next beast
00:34:02.44\00:34:04.11
whether as the first
beast of Revelation 13
00:34:04.14\00:34:07.94
is receiving its deadly wound,
00:34:07.98\00:34:09.91
that's when the next beast rises
00:34:09.94\00:34:11.61
from the earth.
00:34:11.65\00:34:12.98
And it's the beast that
has two horns like a lamb
00:34:13.01\00:34:14.75
and speaks like a dragon.
00:34:14.78\00:34:16.89
Now let's notice
that these three powers
00:34:16.92\00:34:20.02
are mentioned here
in Revelation 16:13.
00:34:20.06\00:34:23.69
Notice what it says.
00:34:23.73\00:34:26.23
John is seeing something,
00:34:26.26\00:34:28.76
"Then I saw three evil spirits
00:34:28.80\00:34:32.33
that look like frogs.
00:34:32.37\00:34:35.24
They came out of the
mouth of the dragon..."
00:34:35.27\00:34:38.77
Is that one of the powers
00:34:38.81\00:34:40.14
that's mentioned
earlier in Revelation?
00:34:40.18\00:34:42.41
Yes.
00:34:42.44\00:34:43.85
And out of the mouth of whom?
00:34:43.88\00:34:46.61
Of the beast.
00:34:46.65\00:34:48.38
Is that the second
power that is mentioned
00:34:48.42\00:34:50.05
in Revelation 13:1-10?
00:34:50.09\00:34:51.62
Absolutely.
00:34:51.65\00:34:52.99
"And out of the mouth
00:34:53.02\00:34:54.36
of the false prophet."
00:34:54.39\00:34:58.96
So what is the
name of this beast
00:34:58.99\00:35:00.86
that rises from the earth?
00:35:00.90\00:35:02.66
It is what? It is
the false prophet.
00:35:02.70\00:35:06.84
But the question
is, whose false prophet?
00:35:06.87\00:35:10.91
Well, it's gonna claim
to be God's false prophet,
00:35:10.94\00:35:14.51
or God's Prophet,
God's true prophet.
00:35:14.54\00:35:17.98
But really, it is
someone else's prophet.
00:35:18.01\00:35:21.38
And you see, "Now,
00:35:21.42\00:35:22.75
whose profit
would it be really?"
00:35:22.78\00:35:24.75
Even though he
claims to be God's prophet,
00:35:24.79\00:35:27.16
this power actually is
the prophet of someone else.
00:35:27.19\00:35:31.79
He's a false prophet.
00:35:31.83\00:35:35.30
Let me ask you,
whose false prophet is he?
00:35:35.33\00:35:38.27
He is the false
prophet of the beast
00:35:38.30\00:35:41.20
that rises from the sea.
00:35:41.24\00:35:43.24
He is the false
prophet of the papacy.
00:35:43.27\00:35:46.61
You say, well,
how do you know that?
00:35:46.64\00:35:49.61
We already covered this before
00:35:49.64\00:35:51.08
but we need to look at it again.
00:35:51.11\00:35:53.75
Everything that
this second beast
00:35:53.78\00:35:56.55
of Revelation 13 does,
00:35:56.58\00:35:59.02
it does to help the first beast.
00:35:59.05\00:36:03.36
It speaks for the first beast
00:36:03.39\00:36:05.43
and it acts for the first beast.
00:36:05.46\00:36:08.26
Are you following me or not?
00:36:08.30\00:36:10.23
So basically,
this beast that rises
00:36:10.27\00:36:13.03
from the earth is the messenger
00:36:13.07\00:36:16.14
or the emissary
of the first beast
00:36:16.17\00:36:20.01
of Revelation 13.
00:36:20.04\00:36:21.68
It is the
spokesperson for the papacy.
00:36:21.71\00:36:24.88
It is the
papacy's false prophet,
00:36:24.91\00:36:27.08
even though it claims
to be God's true prophet.
00:36:27.12\00:36:31.15
Now you'll remember
Revelation Chapter 13.
00:36:31.19\00:36:34.42
It tells us that
this beast from the earth,
00:36:34.46\00:36:36.26
the false prophet,
00:36:36.29\00:36:38.29
exercises all of
the authority of, whom?
00:36:38.33\00:36:43.40
Of the first beast.
00:36:43.43\00:36:45.60
It commands everyone to
worship the first beast.
00:36:45.63\00:36:49.77
You can read it in
Revelation 13:11-18.
00:36:49.80\00:36:53.01
Everything that it does,
00:36:53.04\00:36:54.84
it does in the
presence of the first beast.
00:36:54.88\00:36:59.35
In many Bible versions
believe that that expression
00:36:59.38\00:37:01.88
in the presence
means on behalf of,
00:37:01.92\00:37:05.05
for example, the New
International Version.
00:37:05.09\00:37:07.36
And that would
be very significant
00:37:07.39\00:37:08.92
because then this
beast would act in favor of
00:37:08.96\00:37:12.49
or in behalf of the first beast.
00:37:12.53\00:37:15.80
In those verses,
it also tells us that
00:37:15.83\00:37:18.23
this beast from the
earth, the false prophet
00:37:18.27\00:37:21.07
makes an image
of the first beast
00:37:21.10\00:37:25.14
and it also imposes the
mark of the first beast.
00:37:25.17\00:37:30.25
So whose
spokesperson is this beast
00:37:30.28\00:37:33.15
that rises from the earth?
00:37:33.18\00:37:34.52
This false prophet.
00:37:34.55\00:37:36.25
He's the spokesperson
for the first beast,
00:37:36.28\00:37:39.39
for the Roman Catholic papacy.
00:37:39.42\00:37:41.29
Are you catching the picture?
00:37:41.32\00:37:43.66
That's why he's
called the false prophet.
00:37:43.69\00:37:45.49
He claims to speak for God,
00:37:45.53\00:37:47.40
but he's actually
speaking for whom?
00:37:47.43\00:37:49.96
He's actually
speaking for the beast.
00:37:50.00\00:37:53.27
Now let's pursue
that just for a minute.
00:37:53.30\00:37:56.94
What day of
worship does the papacy
00:37:56.97\00:38:00.28
say that we're supposed to keep?
00:38:00.31\00:38:03.01
Sunday.
00:38:03.04\00:38:05.31
Where do they
get that idea from?
00:38:05.35\00:38:08.78
From Exodus 20?
00:38:08.82\00:38:11.79
From Genesis Chapter 2?
00:38:11.82\00:38:14.12
No.
00:38:14.16\00:38:15.49
They get it from
church tradition.
00:38:15.52\00:38:18.29
Where do
Protestants get it from?
00:38:18.33\00:38:21.60
From the Bible?
00:38:21.63\00:38:23.53
They might claim to
get it from the Bible.
00:38:23.57\00:38:25.87
They might misuse texts
from the Bible but really,
00:38:25.90\00:38:30.14
where did it come from?
00:38:30.17\00:38:32.14
It came from the
Roman Catholic papacy,
00:38:32.17\00:38:34.54
from the mother.
00:38:34.58\00:38:36.34
And they still
have a lock of her hair
00:38:36.38\00:38:39.45
like we read last night.
00:38:39.48\00:38:41.05
They have never been able
00:38:41.08\00:38:42.65
to get totally
loose of the papacy,
00:38:42.68\00:38:45.15
because they keep the same day.
00:38:45.19\00:38:46.65
They are an image of
the papacy in the day
00:38:46.69\00:38:49.26
that they keep.
00:38:49.29\00:38:51.69
What does the papacy
believe concerning the dead?
00:38:51.73\00:38:56.46
Basically, they believe
that the dead know everything.
00:38:56.50\00:39:00.80
The Bible says that
the dead know not anything.
00:39:00.84\00:39:03.87
But the papacy teaches
00:39:03.91\00:39:05.24
that the soul
of man is immortal.
00:39:05.27\00:39:07.08
And when a person
dies, if they were evil,
00:39:07.11\00:39:10.51
they go to hell.
00:39:10.55\00:39:12.01
If they were
righteous, they go to heaven,
00:39:12.05\00:39:14.52
their soul goes to heaven.
00:39:14.55\00:39:16.12
And if they were semi
righteous or semi wicked,
00:39:16.15\00:39:19.42
they go to purgatory.
00:39:19.45\00:39:22.36
And if they have
not reached the age
00:39:22.39\00:39:23.89
of accountability,
their soul goes to limbo.
00:39:23.93\00:39:28.13
It's amazing
00:39:28.16\00:39:29.50
how they invent
different spheres.
00:39:29.53\00:39:32.43
But really, what
the papacy is doing
00:39:32.47\00:39:36.44
is they're contradicting
00:39:36.47\00:39:37.81
the clear
testimony of the Bible,
00:39:37.84\00:39:39.67
where we are
told the living know
00:39:39.71\00:39:41.78
that they will die,
00:39:41.81\00:39:43.14
but the dead know not anything.
00:39:43.18\00:39:46.05
They're sleeping
according to scripture,
00:39:46.08\00:39:47.98
until Jesus comes
to resurrect them,
00:39:48.02\00:39:50.52
they are neither
in heaven nor in hell.
00:39:50.55\00:39:54.16
What do
Protestants generally believe
00:39:54.19\00:39:56.29
about the state of the dead?
00:39:56.32\00:39:59.53
Do they believe that
the dead know nothing?
00:39:59.56\00:40:02.26
No.
00:40:02.30\00:40:03.63
They believe what?
00:40:03.67\00:40:05.37
That the dead aren't dead.
00:40:05.40\00:40:07.54
They believe in the
immortality of the soul.
00:40:07.57\00:40:10.37
They also believe that
if a person is righteous,
00:40:10.41\00:40:12.67
their soul goes
to heaven at death.
00:40:12.71\00:40:14.48
If they were unrighteous,
00:40:14.51\00:40:15.84
their soul goes to
hell to burn in the fires.
00:40:15.88\00:40:19.15
Where did they get that from?
00:40:19.18\00:40:20.68
From the Bible? No.
00:40:20.72\00:40:23.22
They got it from the
Roman Catholic papacy.
00:40:23.25\00:40:25.55
They were never
able to break loose
00:40:25.59\00:40:28.42
totally from the
errors of the papacy,
00:40:28.46\00:40:30.79
they did not
finish the Reformation.
00:40:30.83\00:40:33.73
And so doctrinally,
00:40:33.76\00:40:36.67
Protestantism is an image
of the papacy in many regards.
00:40:36.70\00:40:42.30
But as we've studied,
Protestantism is also an image
00:40:42.34\00:40:47.94
of the papacy in the method
it uses to interpret prophecy.
00:40:47.98\00:40:52.78
It is an image of the papacy
00:40:52.81\00:40:54.98
in its prophetic interpretation,
00:40:55.02\00:40:57.65
because the
Roman Catholic Church
00:40:57.69\00:41:00.42
through the Jesuit Alcazar,
00:41:00.46\00:41:03.56
said that all of the
Antichrist prophecies
00:41:03.59\00:41:05.89
were fulfilled
in the distant past.
00:41:05.93\00:41:10.30
Do the mainline Protestant
churches teach that same thing?
00:41:10.33\00:41:14.54
Yes, they do.
00:41:14.57\00:41:16.40
The Jesuit Ribera said that
00:41:16.44\00:41:18.54
all of these prophecies
will be fulfilled in the future
00:41:18.57\00:41:22.34
after the rapture of the church.
00:41:22.38\00:41:25.31
Do conservative
Protestants believe that?
00:41:25.35\00:41:28.22
Yes, they do.
00:41:28.25\00:41:30.25
Where did Protestants
get preterism and futurism?
00:41:30.29\00:41:33.49
From sitting down
and studying the Bible?
00:41:33.52\00:41:35.82
No, they got it from
the Roman Catholic papacy.
00:41:35.86\00:41:39.93
And so Protestants are an
image of the papacy doctrinally,
00:41:39.96\00:41:45.23
because of the Sabbath
and the state of the death
00:41:45.27\00:41:47.24
and their view of hell,
00:41:47.27\00:41:48.60
and also in their method
of interpreting prophecy.
00:41:48.64\00:41:52.81
Are you with me?
00:41:52.84\00:41:54.18
Raise your hand if
you're understanding
00:41:54.21\00:41:55.54
what I'm saying.
00:41:55.58\00:41:57.08
Now if Protestantism
had not gone astray
00:41:57.11\00:42:01.98
from its roots, do
you think Billy Graham
00:42:02.02\00:42:05.82
would say that
the Pope John Paul II
00:42:05.85\00:42:07.79
was the greatest
moral leader of the world?
00:42:07.82\00:42:11.66
If Protestantism had not
gone astray from its roots,
00:42:11.69\00:42:14.70
its prophetic roots,
would Robert Schuller,
00:42:14.73\00:42:18.13
the founder of the
famous Crystal Cathedral,
00:42:18.17\00:42:20.47
have said that he
hopes that the day will come
00:42:20.50\00:42:23.94
when the entire Christian world
00:42:23.97\00:42:25.57
will accept the
pope as its leader?
00:42:25.61\00:42:28.71
If Protestantism had
not forsaken historicism,
00:42:28.74\00:42:32.11
would Paul Crouch,
the Founder of TBN,
00:42:32.15\00:42:35.45
the largest religious
chain of television stations
00:42:35.48\00:42:38.99
in the world have said,
I'm not protesting anything.
00:42:39.02\00:42:44.36
Interesting.
00:42:44.39\00:42:45.79
I'm deleting the word Protestant
00:42:45.83\00:42:48.30
from my
vocabulary is what he said.
00:42:48.33\00:42:51.33
If Protestantism
still accepted historicism,
00:42:51.37\00:42:56.50
would the Lutherans have
signed a joint declaration
00:42:56.54\00:42:59.87
of righteousness by
faith with the Catholics?
00:42:59.91\00:43:02.91
Would they have
signed the Joint Declaration
00:43:02.94\00:43:06.11
and righteousness by faith?
00:43:06.15\00:43:07.48
Would they have
signed Evangelicals
00:43:07.52\00:43:09.38
and Protestants together?
00:43:09.42\00:43:13.05
Would Tony Palmer have said that
00:43:13.09\00:43:15.22
the protest is over
00:43:15.26\00:43:16.83
and now we are
all Catholics again?
00:43:16.86\00:43:20.13
If Protestantism had hung
on to its prophetic system
00:43:20.16\00:43:23.16
of interpretation,
would Kenneth Copeland
00:43:23.20\00:43:25.77
say to the Pope,
00:43:25.80\00:43:27.14
we bless you
with all our hearts,
00:43:27.17\00:43:28.94
we bless you with all our souls,
00:43:28.97\00:43:30.77
we bless you with all our might.
00:43:30.81\00:43:32.57
And we thank you,
sir, we thank God for you.
00:43:32.61\00:43:35.31
And so all of us
declare together, be blessed.
00:43:35.34\00:43:39.81
If Protestantism had hung on
00:43:39.85\00:43:41.52
towards prophetic
historicist roots,
00:43:41.55\00:43:43.49
would Ralph Reed
have said, "The truth,
00:43:43.52\00:43:45.89
my friends is this,
Catholicism never has been,
00:43:45.92\00:43:49.32
is not today, and
never will be a threat
00:43:49.36\00:43:52.76
to American democracy."
00:43:52.79\00:43:54.86
It was and
remains the most colorful
00:43:54.90\00:43:57.00
and the most vibrant thread
running through the tapestry
00:43:57.03\00:43:59.97
of American democracy.
00:44:00.00\00:44:02.14
If Protestantism had hung
on to its roots of historicism,
00:44:02.17\00:44:06.57
would Rick Warren have
said, "We are on the same team."
00:44:06.61\00:44:10.91
If Protestantism had hung on
00:44:10.95\00:44:12.71
to their
prophetic interpretation
00:44:12.75\00:44:14.68
that points to the
papacy as the Antichrist,
00:44:14.72\00:44:17.35
would James Robison
had said, "Pope Francis,
00:44:17.39\00:44:20.92
let me just say to you,
that I see Jesus in you,
00:44:20.96\00:44:24.69
in Christ we are
brothers, we are family."
00:44:24.73\00:44:29.36
You tell me.
00:44:29.40\00:44:31.10
If Protestants had hung
on to the historicist way
00:44:31.13\00:44:34.50
of interpreting prophecy,
00:44:34.54\00:44:35.97
which clearly identifies
the papacy as the Antichrist,
00:44:36.00\00:44:39.57
would these leaders
of the Protestant world
00:44:39.61\00:44:42.48
be saying such things?
00:44:42.51\00:44:44.61
They would not but
they have totally lost
00:44:44.65\00:44:47.62
their prophetic roots.
00:44:47.65\00:44:49.92
Now let's go to Daniel 7:25.
00:44:49.95\00:44:54.99
Daniel 7:25.
00:44:55.02\00:44:58.13
We've read this verse before.
00:44:58.16\00:44:59.83
Now let's read it again.
00:44:59.86\00:45:02.40
Speaking about the little horn
which represents the papacy,
00:45:02.43\00:45:06.37
we are told, "He
shall speak great words
00:45:06.40\00:45:09.94
against the most
high and shall wear out
00:45:09.97\00:45:13.11
the saints of the most high,
00:45:13.14\00:45:15.64
and think to
change times and laws,
00:45:15.68\00:45:21.05
and they shall be given
into his hand until a time,
00:45:21.08\00:45:24.49
times and the dividing of time."
00:45:24.52\00:45:28.99
So you'll notice that
the papacy did two things
00:45:29.02\00:45:31.99
according to Daniel 7:25,
actually did more but the ones
00:45:32.03\00:45:35.70
that I wanna focus on are
that he thought he could change,
00:45:35.73\00:45:39.80
what?
00:45:39.83\00:45:41.17
The times and the law.
00:45:41.20\00:45:44.21
We've already
noticed how the papacy claims
00:45:44.24\00:45:46.47
to have changed the
law, by changing supposedly
00:45:46.51\00:45:49.74
the day of worship
from Sabbath to Sunday.
00:45:49.78\00:45:52.21
We've also noticed the
change in the times has to do
00:45:52.25\00:45:55.42
with supplying
00:45:55.45\00:45:57.82
a counterfeit
prophetic scenario,
00:45:57.85\00:45:59.95
preterism and futurism in
place of the proper method,
00:45:59.99\00:46:03.76
which is historicism.
00:46:03.79\00:46:05.89
Now here's my question.
00:46:05.93\00:46:07.86
Do you think that at
the end of the 1260 years
00:46:07.90\00:46:12.50
of the time times
and dividing of time,
00:46:12.53\00:46:15.40
God would raise up
a movement to correct
00:46:15.44\00:46:19.27
these false views
concerning the change
00:46:19.31\00:46:22.31
in the law and the
change in the times?
00:46:22.34\00:46:26.08
Absolutely.
00:46:26.11\00:46:27.95
Go with me to Revelation 12:17.
00:46:27.98\00:46:30.89
Revelation 12:17.
00:46:30.92\00:46:34.42
In this verse, we're gonna find
00:46:34.46\00:46:36.16
God's response to
the papacy's change
00:46:36.19\00:46:39.39
in the times and in the law.
00:46:39.43\00:46:41.53
God is going to
raise up a remnant,
00:46:41.56\00:46:44.00
and that remnant
is going to restore
00:46:44.03\00:46:46.57
the two things
which the papacy ruined.
00:46:46.60\00:46:49.80
Notice Revelation 12:17.
00:46:49.84\00:46:53.04
"And the dragon was
wroth with the woman
00:46:53.07\00:46:56.78
and went to make war
with a remnant of her seed."
00:46:56.81\00:47:01.05
And this remnant
has two characteristics,
00:47:01.08\00:47:03.89
which, what?
00:47:03.92\00:47:05.79
Keep the commandments of God.
00:47:05.82\00:47:09.29
How many of them? All 10.
00:47:09.32\00:47:13.06
Who keep the
Commandments of God...
00:47:13.09\00:47:15.26
And not only do they
keep the Commandments of God,
00:47:15.30\00:47:18.03
but they have
another characteristic,
00:47:18.07\00:47:19.57
and what is it?
00:47:19.60\00:47:21.14
And have or possess the, what?
00:47:21.17\00:47:25.27
Possess the
testimony of Jesus Christ.
00:47:25.31\00:47:31.05
In contrast to the little horn,
00:47:31.08\00:47:32.75
we thought it
could change God's law.
00:47:32.78\00:47:34.55
God raises up a
remnant of the woman's seed,
00:47:34.58\00:47:37.79
who keep the
commandments of God.
00:47:37.82\00:47:40.99
And in contrast to
the change in the times,
00:47:41.02\00:47:43.59
God raises up a remnant
00:47:43.63\00:47:45.53
with who has the
testimony of Jesus
00:47:45.56\00:47:48.86
to correct the false
prophetic views of the papacy.
00:47:48.90\00:47:53.54
Now what does the
testimony of Jesus mean?
00:47:53.57\00:47:57.37
Well, let's go in our
Bibles to Revelation 19:10,
00:47:57.41\00:48:01.44
because you're
wondering, you're saying, "Okay,
00:48:01.48\00:48:03.14
keep the Commandments of God,
00:48:03.18\00:48:04.51
that would
certainly be the correction
00:48:04.55\00:48:06.11
in the change of the law."
00:48:06.15\00:48:07.62
But is the testimony of
Jesus, is that a correction
00:48:07.65\00:48:11.49
in the change of the times?
00:48:11.52\00:48:13.32
Well, let's notice what
the testimony of Jesus is.
00:48:13.36\00:48:17.19
Revelation 19:10.
00:48:17.23\00:48:20.13
An angel appears to John
and John is so overwhelmed
00:48:20.16\00:48:24.77
that he feels like he
wants to bow down and worship.
00:48:24.80\00:48:28.10
It says there in
Revelation 19:10.
00:48:28.14\00:48:31.04
"And I fell at his
feet to worship Him.
00:48:31.07\00:48:35.08
However, he said to me,
see that you do not do that.
00:48:35.11\00:48:38.85
I am your fellow servant."
00:48:38.88\00:48:41.32
And now notice this carefully,
00:48:41.35\00:48:43.85
"And of your brethren
00:48:43.89\00:48:46.02
who have the
testimony of Jesus."
00:48:46.05\00:48:47.66
What do the
brethren of John have?
00:48:47.69\00:48:51.09
The brethren of John
have the testimony of Jesus.
00:48:51.13\00:48:55.40
And then notice,
it continues saying,
00:48:55.43\00:48:57.53
"Worship God for
the testimony of Jesus
00:48:57.57\00:49:00.47
is the Spirit of Prophecy."
00:49:00.50\00:49:04.01
So what would the
remnant church have?
00:49:04.04\00:49:06.44
It would teach to keep
the commandments of God,
00:49:06.47\00:49:08.54
including the
fourth, thus counteracting
00:49:08.58\00:49:11.15
the change in
the law and it will
00:49:11.18\00:49:13.45
also have the Spirit of Prophecy
00:49:13.48\00:49:15.98
to correct the wrong
method of interpreting prophecy.
00:49:16.02\00:49:21.82
Now let's go to
Revelation 22:8-9.
00:49:21.86\00:49:25.43
This is a parallel
verse to Revelation 19-10.
00:49:25.46\00:49:28.96
Revelation 22:8-9.
00:49:29.00\00:49:34.84
It says here...
00:49:34.87\00:49:37.31
Once again an
angel appears to John
00:49:37.34\00:49:39.07
and he feels the urge
to worship this angel.
00:49:39.11\00:49:41.98
It says, "Now I John
saw and heard these things.
00:49:42.01\00:49:45.68
And when I heard and
saw, I fell down to worship
00:49:45.71\00:49:49.28
before the feet of the angel
who showed me these things.
00:49:49.32\00:49:53.12
Then he said to me, see
that you do not do that,
00:49:53.15\00:49:57.46
for I am your fellow
servant and of your brethren,"
00:49:57.49\00:50:02.10
the what?
00:50:02.13\00:50:03.47
The prophets.
00:50:03.50\00:50:05.50
Now let's
compare the two verses.
00:50:05.53\00:50:07.67
What did the brethren
have in Revelation 19-10?
00:50:07.70\00:50:11.74
The testimony of Jesus.
00:50:11.77\00:50:14.18
But what do they
have in Revelation 22:9?
00:50:14.21\00:50:19.25
They are what?
00:50:19.28\00:50:20.62
Your brethren the prophets.
00:50:20.65\00:50:22.98
So what does it mean
that the testimony of Jesus?
00:50:23.02\00:50:25.12
It means that you are a prophet.
00:50:25.15\00:50:29.36
So it says, in of your brethren,
00:50:29.39\00:50:30.96
the prophets,
00:50:30.99\00:50:32.33
and of those who keep
the words of this book,
00:50:32.36\00:50:34.23
worship God.
00:50:34.26\00:50:36.73
Are you catching the picture?
00:50:36.77\00:50:39.60
Now somebody might say,
well, Pastor Bore, you know,
00:50:39.63\00:50:42.44
maybe you're just linking
00:50:42.47\00:50:43.81
Revelation 12:17 haphazardly,
00:50:43.84\00:50:48.74
with, you know, Daniel 7:25.
00:50:48.78\00:50:51.98
How do you know that
these two verses are related?
00:50:52.01\00:50:54.28
It's very simple.
00:50:54.32\00:50:56.32
If you go back to
Revelation Chapter 12,
00:50:56.35\00:50:59.35
immediately before
verse 17, I want you to notice
00:50:59.39\00:51:02.39
what we have,
immediately before verse 17.
00:51:02.42\00:51:06.80
It says, "Now when the dragon
00:51:06.83\00:51:08.36
saw that he had
been cast to the earth,
00:51:08.40\00:51:11.23
he persecuted the woman
00:51:11.27\00:51:12.80
who gave birth
to the male child.
00:51:12.83\00:51:15.07
But the woman
was given two wings
00:51:15.10\00:51:16.77
of a great eagle
that she might fly
00:51:16.81\00:51:18.31
into the
wilderness to her place,
00:51:18.34\00:51:20.18
where she is
nourished for a time and times,
00:51:20.21\00:51:24.05
and half a time
00:51:24.08\00:51:25.51
from the
presence of the serpent."
00:51:25.55\00:51:28.82
So Revelation 12:13-14
refers to the time times
00:51:28.85\00:51:34.16
and the dividing of time.
00:51:34.19\00:51:35.52
And then 12:17 says
that there will be people
00:51:35.56\00:51:38.63
that keep the
commandments of God
00:51:38.66\00:51:40.16
and that will have
00:51:40.20\00:51:41.53
the prophetic
gift in their midst.
00:51:41.56\00:51:44.20
Do we find in Daniel Chapter 7,
00:51:44.23\00:51:47.04
a reference to the time
times and dividing of time
00:51:47.07\00:51:49.94
when it comes
to changing the law
00:51:49.97\00:51:52.14
and also changing the times?
00:51:52.17\00:51:54.58
Are you seeing the connection?
00:51:54.61\00:51:56.48
In other words,
00:51:56.51\00:51:57.85
the Seventh-day Adventist Church
00:51:57.88\00:51:59.21
did not appear
like any other church.
00:51:59.25\00:52:02.65
The Seventh-day
Adventist Church rose
00:52:02.68\00:52:05.09
in fulfillment to a
specific Bible prophecy.
00:52:05.12\00:52:08.09
Revelation 12:17.
00:52:08.12\00:52:10.73
The Seventh-day
Adventist Church teaches that
00:52:10.76\00:52:12.79
all of the commandments
must be kept correcting
00:52:12.83\00:52:16.67
the supposed change in
the law that the papacy did.
00:52:16.70\00:52:20.60
And the
Seventh-day Adventist Church
00:52:20.64\00:52:22.17
also has in its midst,
00:52:22.20\00:52:24.61
a prophet that
corrects the false
00:52:24.64\00:52:28.04
prophetic views of
preterism and futurism.
00:52:28.08\00:52:32.85
Let me ask you, have
you ever read the book
00:52:32.88\00:52:36.48
"The Great Controversy?"
00:52:36.52\00:52:39.25
Ellen White
stated that there was...
00:52:39.29\00:52:41.96
If there's one book
that God wants to go
00:52:41.99\00:52:45.06
to the whole world, it
is "The Great Controversy"
00:52:45.09\00:52:49.56
and not the abbreviated one.
00:52:49.60\00:52:53.17
No, the full and
complete "Great Controversy."
00:52:53.20\00:52:57.61
And you say why the
full and complete one?
00:52:57.64\00:52:59.81
Simply folks because Ellen White
00:52:59.84\00:53:02.11
in that book follows
the historicist method.
00:53:02.14\00:53:06.61
She's correcting
the change in the law
00:53:06.65\00:53:09.22
by the Roman Catholic papacy.
00:53:09.25\00:53:11.95
She begins with the
destruction of Jerusalem,
00:53:11.99\00:53:15.22
then she deals
briefly with pagan Rome,
00:53:15.26\00:53:18.66
then she deals with
the rise of the papacy,
00:53:18.69\00:53:22.60
then she speaks about the
United States in prophecy,
00:53:22.63\00:53:26.94
then she speaks
00:53:26.97\00:53:28.30
about the healing
of the deadly wound,
00:53:28.34\00:53:30.71
the image of the
beast, the mark of the beast
00:53:30.74\00:53:34.41
and this beast,
establishing something
00:53:34.44\00:53:38.18
or many things in
support of the first beast.
00:53:38.21\00:53:42.68
And then she describes
the terrible time of trouble
00:53:42.72\00:53:45.62
that will come
upon God's people,
00:53:45.65\00:53:47.32
once the deadly wound is healed.
00:53:47.36\00:53:49.56
Then she describes
how Michael will stand up
00:53:49.59\00:53:51.93
to defend his people.
00:53:51.96\00:53:53.76
Then she describes
the seven last plagues
00:53:53.80\00:53:56.73
and then next she
describes the moment
00:53:56.77\00:53:58.63
when Jesus comes to deliver
his people from their enemies.
00:53:58.67\00:54:03.04
Then she goes on to
describe the Millennium,
00:54:03.07\00:54:05.34
the events that take
place during the millennium
00:54:05.37\00:54:08.31
and then the
events that take place
00:54:08.34\00:54:09.98
after the millennium,
00:54:10.01\00:54:11.35
concluding with the new
heavens and the new earth.
00:54:11.38\00:54:15.02
What method is
Ellen White using?
00:54:15.05\00:54:17.19
Historicism.
00:54:17.22\00:54:20.09
The method of
linking prophetic history,
00:54:20.12\00:54:23.89
link after link in the chain,
00:54:23.93\00:54:28.10
so that you can
see at each moment
00:54:28.13\00:54:30.47
where you are in the
flow of Bible prophecy.
00:54:30.50\00:54:35.37
Now we know why
Ellen White stated
00:54:35.40\00:54:37.67
that she would want
"The Great Controversy"
00:54:37.71\00:54:39.81
to go to the whole world.
00:54:39.84\00:54:42.64
Because I'll tell you
folks, people might not read
00:54:42.68\00:54:46.18
"The Great Controversy"
00:54:46.21\00:54:47.55
right now but at the right time,
00:54:47.58\00:54:50.69
they will shake the
dust off of those books
00:54:50.72\00:54:54.82
and they will say,
you know, I have this book
00:54:54.86\00:54:56.96
"Great
Controversy" and I just wonder
00:54:56.99\00:54:59.79
if it addresses
any of the things
00:54:59.83\00:55:01.53
that are happening today.
00:55:01.56\00:55:03.87
And they will
come to the chapter
00:55:03.90\00:55:05.80
on the United
States in Bible prophecy.
00:55:05.83\00:55:08.24
And their eyes will be open.
00:55:08.27\00:55:09.60
They'll say, well, we're
living that time right now.
00:55:09.64\00:55:13.58
And they will understand
the things that are gonna come
00:55:13.61\00:55:17.25
and they will
prepare a character fit
00:55:17.28\00:55:19.28
for the second
coming of Jesus Christ.
00:55:19.31\00:55:23.15
Is the study of
Bible prophecy important?
00:55:23.18\00:55:26.89
You know, these
days people say, oh, no,
00:55:26.92\00:55:28.59
just talk to me about Jesus.
00:55:28.62\00:55:31.73
Well, prophecy is
about Jesus, isn't it?
00:55:31.76\00:55:35.90
You know, once an individual,
00:55:35.93\00:55:38.10
a minister at a
minister's meeting said,
00:55:38.13\00:55:42.74
they're in presence
of all the ministers.
00:55:42.77\00:55:44.57
He says, I'm not
interested in what's coming,
00:55:44.61\00:55:47.94
I'm only
interested in who is coming.
00:55:47.98\00:55:51.55
Well, if you don't
know what's coming,
00:55:51.58\00:55:53.52
you might accept the wrong who
00:55:53.55\00:55:57.05
because Satan is going to
00:55:57.09\00:55:58.75
counterfeit the second
coming of Jesus Christ.
00:55:58.79\00:56:01.96
You better know how
Jesus is gonna come,
00:56:01.99\00:56:04.99
or else you will
accept the false Christ.
00:56:05.03\00:56:08.00
And so folks,
what I want you to see
00:56:08.03\00:56:11.27
in these seven studies,
00:56:11.30\00:56:13.17
these seven historical studies
that we've gone through so far,
00:56:13.20\00:56:16.71
is the tremendous importance
of studying Bible prophecy,
00:56:16.74\00:56:20.08
understanding prophecy.
00:56:20.11\00:56:22.14
It makes us what
we are as a church.
00:56:22.18\00:56:25.61
We originated with prophecy
and we will end with prophecy.
00:56:25.65\00:56:30.72
Love, yes, we need
to talk about love.
00:56:30.75\00:56:34.59
But prophecy is a
revelation of Christ's love.
00:56:34.62\00:56:37.09
He tells us what's gonna happen
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so that we can prepare.
00:56:39.19\00:56:41.60
Or we'll just think
that Jesus is too loving,
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He says, oh, no,
what's coming is terrible.
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I don't want to traumatize them.
00:56:45.90\00:56:48.57
And so I won't say anything.
00:56:48.60\00:56:50.71
Is that love?
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People say don't preach
the Third Angels' Message,
00:56:52.84\00:56:55.14
it scares people.
00:56:55.18\00:56:56.64
And by not talking
about, you're gonna scare them
00:56:56.68\00:56:59.35
right into hell
or not scare them
00:56:59.38\00:57:02.58
right into hell rather.
00:57:02.62\00:57:04.59
Folks, we need to recover
as Adventists, our message.
00:57:04.62\00:57:08.72
The reason for our
existence, our mission.
00:57:08.76\00:57:12.19
Hawaii needs to know about this,
00:57:12.23\00:57:14.70
not only Hawaii, but
the rest of the world.
00:57:14.73\00:57:17.87
The Three Angels' Messages
need to go to every nation,
00:57:17.90\00:57:21.24
kindred, tongue, and people.
00:57:21.27\00:57:26.11
The Seventh-day Adventist Church
00:57:26.14\00:57:27.61
is historicism
last stand in the world.
00:57:27.64\00:57:31.81
There is no other church
00:57:31.85\00:57:33.45
that is strictly
historicist church.
00:57:33.48\00:57:36.62
There might be individuals
00:57:36.65\00:57:37.99
who have elements of historicism
00:57:38.02\00:57:40.26
but the
Seventh-day Adventist Church
00:57:40.29\00:57:42.12
is the last great hope
for the world understanding
00:57:42.16\00:57:46.09
Bible prophecy and woe to us.
00:57:46.13\00:57:49.93
If we don't take
what God has given us
00:57:49.96\00:57:52.77
and prepare ourselves
00:57:52.80\00:57:54.84
and also
proclaim it to the world,
00:57:54.87\00:57:56.87
so that people in
the world can also
00:57:56.91\00:57:59.61
be ready for that awesome event,
00:57:59.64\00:58:02.04
the second
coming of Jesus Christ
00:58:02.08\00:58:04.11
in power and glory.
00:58:04.15\00:58:06.11