Well, welcome back.
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The title of our
study for this session is
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"Are Protestants an
Endangered Species."
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But before we study,
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we want to ask for
the Lord's blessing.
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So let's bow our
heads for prayer.
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Father in heaven,
we're going to study
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a very important subject.
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And we need the
help of your Holy Spirit.
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So we ask that You
will be present here
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with us through
Your Holy Spirit.
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You will give us understanding
and You will help us, Lord,
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to see the urgency of the
times that we're living in,
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certainly
prophecies being fulfilled
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before our very
eyes, right and left.
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Help us, Lord, to
stand for You in these times.
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We thank You, Father,
for hearing our prayer,
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what we ask it in Jesus' name.
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Amen.
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There are two things
that will eventually bring
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Protestants back
to the Mother Church,
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as the Roman
Catholic Church is known.
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Number one is that the
Protestant denominations
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never have been able
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to sever their
doctrinal relationship
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with the Roman Catholic Church
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in several doctrines.
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I'm speaking
particularly of two doctrines
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that Protestants were
never able to get rid of.
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Number one, the observance
of Sunday as the day of rest,
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and number two, the idea
of immortality of the soul.
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Protestants, beginning
with a Protestant reformers
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were never able to
deliver or free themselves
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from these two great
errors of the papacy.
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That's the reason
why Ellen White explains
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that these two doctrines
are going to join Protestants,
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Catholics and worldings.
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I read from Great
Controversy, page 588.
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"Through the two great errors,
the immortality of the soul
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and Sunday sacredness,
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Satan will bring the
people under his deceptions.
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While the former
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lays the
foundation of spiritualism,"
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that is that state of dead,
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"the latter creates a
bond of sympathy with Rome..."
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That Sunday.
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"The Protestants
of the United States
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will be foremost
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in stretching their
hands across the gulf
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to grasp the
hand of spiritualism,
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they will reach over the abyss
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to clasp the hands
with the Roman power,
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and under the influence
of this threefold union,
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this country, the United States,
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will follow in the
steps of Rome in trampling
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on the rights of conscience."
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So, you notice that
she mentions two doctrines
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that will
eventually join Protestantism,
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Catholicism and spiritualism,
the state of the dead,
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the idea that the
Roman Catholic Church has
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along with Protestants
that the dead aren't dead,
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the immortality of the soul.
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And secondly,
the idea that Sunday
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is God's sacred day of worship.
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So doctrinally because
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Protestants were not
able to get rid of everything,
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all of the false teachings
of Roman Catholic Church,
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they will come back to mother.
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I want to read you a
statement by John O'Bryan.
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For many years he
was a theology professor
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at the University of Notre
Dame in South Bend, Indiana.
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And in this statement,
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he makes a very
interesting remark
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about Protestants
and the Mother Church.
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This is how it reads.
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"But since Saturday, not Sunday,
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is specified in the Bible,
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isn't it curious
that non-Catholics
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who profess to take
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their religion
directly from the Bible,
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and not from the church,
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observe Sunday
instead of Saturday?
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Yes, of course,
it is inconsistent,
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but this change was
made about 15 centuries
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before Protestantism
was born, and by that time,
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the custom was
universally observed.
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They, that is Protestants,
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have continued the
custom of gaping Sunday,
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even though it
rests upon the authority
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of the Catholic Church,
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and not upon an
explicit text in the Bible.
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And now, here
comes the key portion.
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That observance of
Sunday by Protestants,
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remains as a
reminder of the Mother Church
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from which the
non-Catholic sects broke away,
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like a boy
running away from home,
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but still carrying in his pocket
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a picture of his
mother or a lock of her hair.
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Are you understanding the point?
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When you don't run
away from home for good,
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you're bound to return
because you have the tokens
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of remembrance of a mother.
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The second reason
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why Protestants
will return to mother
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is because they
have not stood for that
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which their
ancestors were willing to die.
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They have shifted
their interpretation
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of Bible prophecy.
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Not only do they
reflect the papacy
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in certain key doctrines,
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the state of the
dead and the Sabbath,
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but they also have
adopted a counterfeit system
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of interpreting Bible prophecy.
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They no longer
believe that the Man of Sin,
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The Abomination of Desolation,
the Harlot, the Little Horn,
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the King of the
North, the Beast,
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the Antichrist represents
the Roman Catholic Church.
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And because they
don't believe that
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all of these
prophecies were fulfilled in
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with the Roman Catholic papacy,
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they no longer fear the papacy,
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because they have
forgotten their roots.
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You see, they believe
that the papacy has changed,
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but let me say that
a system and a person
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never changes its DNA.
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Where it has its DNA,
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it has that DNA
once and for all.
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Ellen White explained,
the genius if you please,
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used in a qualified
sense of the papacy.
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In Great Controversy,
page 571, she wrote,
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"It is part of Rome's
policy to assume the character
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which will best
accomplish her purpose,
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but beneath the
variable appearance
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of the chameleon,
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she hides the invariable
venom of the serpent."
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So you notice that
the Roman Catholic papacy
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uses camouflage.
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And Protestants have
bought into the doctrines,
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some of the
doctrines of Roman Catholicism,
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and they have
adopted her prophetic method
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of interpreting the
prophecies of the Bible.
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Now the relationships between
Roman Catholics and Protestants
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began to seriously
thaw at Vatican Council II,
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the various
Protestant denominations
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were invited to be
there as observers.
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Vatican Council II took
place between 1962 and 1965.
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And I want to read a
couple of statements.
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One is by John
XXIII, who was the one
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who started the
council, then he died.
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And Pope Paul VI
finished this Ecumenical Council
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from 1962 to 1965.
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I want to read the
words of Pope John XXIII
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to the Protestants
that came to Vatican II.
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This is what he said.
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"The Roman Catholic Church
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desires to be an affectionate,
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kind and patient mother,
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she is moved by
compassion and goodness
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towards her alienated children."
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Referring to the Protestants.
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And, of course, the
Protestants were carrying
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a lock of her hair,
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a memento to remind
them of their mother.
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Pope Paul VI,
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who took the place
of Pope John XXIII,
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also referred to Protestants
and the Mother Church.
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This is how his words
were given to the Protestants.
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"Because of their
position, separated brethren
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are the object of
deep and tender affection
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on the part of
the Mother Church.
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It is a love that
feels grief and sadness,
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the love of a heart
wounded by estrangement,
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because the estrangement
prevents our brethren,
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that is Protestants,
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from enjoying so many
privileges and rights,
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and makes them
lose so much grace.
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But perhaps for this
very reason its love,
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the Roman
Catholic Church's love,
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is all the deeper
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and more burning
towards Protestants."
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So notice that this
is a case of two popes
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speaking about the mother
and the alienated children
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of the mother and
the separated brethren.
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As a result of
Vatican Council II,
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Protestants began
to change their view
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of the Roman Catholic papacy.
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Before that,
they held the papacy
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under great
suspicion, but after that,
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they began having
dialogues and studies
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this on a scholarly
level between Protestants
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and Roman Catholics.
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Now what I want to do
in the next several minutes
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is read you statements
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from several
prominent Protestants,
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after Vatican
Council II about the Mother,
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about the Roman Catholic Church.
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This never would have happened
in the times of Ellen White.
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This never would have happened
in the days of Martin Luther
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and Calvin and Zwingli.
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But Protestantism had
changed after Vatican II.
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Let me read you
from Chuck Colson.
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Maybe you've never
heard of Chuck Colson.
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He was one of the individuals
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involved in the
Watergate affair,
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and he actually spent
several years in prison
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and he's head
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of Prison
Ministries International,
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which is a good
work that he has done.
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But he wrote in
Keith Fournier's book,
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Evangelical Catholics,
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Keith Fournier was
actually Roman Catholic,
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and he wrote a book
Evangelical Catholics.
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I want to read
your three statements
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that Chuck Colson
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wrote in the
introduction to this book
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written by a Roman Catholic.
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"It's high time that all of us
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who are Christians come together
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regardless of the
differences of our confessions
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and our traditions
and make common cause
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to bring Christian
values to bear in our society.
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When the barbarians
are scaling the walls,
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there is no time for
petty quarreling in the camp."
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So he's saying, we
need to come together
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regardless of our differences,
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to embrace a common cause.
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He also wrote, "But at root,
those who are called of God,
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whether Catholic or Protestant,
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are part of the same body."
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Interesting that he would say
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we're all part of the same body.
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"What they share is a
belief in the basics."
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Now that
Protestants and Catholics
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share a belief in the
basics, what are those basics?
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He says, "The virgin
birth, the deity of Christ,
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His bodily resurrection,
His imminent return,
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and the authority
of His infallible word.
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They also share
the same mission,
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presenting Christ as Savior
and Lord to a needy world."
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I beg to differ that
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Protestants
have the same mission
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as the Roman Catholic Church.
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And I seriously beg to differ
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that Catholics and
Protestants share the same view
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on these
doctrines that he mentions.
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The Roman Catholic
Church does not believe that
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the Bible is God's
authoritative word.
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They believe that
tradition has to be added
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to have the complete picture.
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In another
statement, Chuck Colson,
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this very
influential person wrote,
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"I pray that this
book," the book written by
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this Roman
Catholic Keith Fournier,
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the name of the book
is Evangelical Catholics.
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He says, "I pray that
this book will be read
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by Catholics and
Protestants alike,
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that it will be a bridge
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across many of the
historic divisions in the church
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that have weakened our
stand in today's culture.
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Interesting, build a bridge.
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Ellen White talks about
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reaching the
hand across the gulf
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to clasp the
hands of Protestants,
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Catholics and spiritualists.
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Let me say a few
things about Ralph Reed.
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He was actually
the first president
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of the Christian
Coalition, which was established
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by Pat Robertson's organization.
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He gave a speech
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to the Catholic
campaign for America,
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which is a
Catholic organization.
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He was invited to
give a speech there.
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I want to read you
some of the statements
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by this evangelical Ralph Reed.
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By the way, he's
very influential.
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Now, he is a
lobbyist in Washington D.C.
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for Christian causes.
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I'm gonna read
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several statements that he made.
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Here is one, "The truth is,
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you and I are uniting."
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He's saying to
these Protestants,
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"We are coming together
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because whatever theological
differences there are,
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there is far more that unites us
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and brings us together
00:14:22.66\00:14:24.56
than divides us
and separates us.
00:14:24.59\00:14:27.66
The good news is that
the chasm is being bridged
00:14:27.70\00:14:31.33
and that those
walls are crumbling."
00:14:31.37\00:14:34.04
The walls between Protestants
and Catholics he's saying.
00:14:34.07\00:14:37.67
And then he states, "The
truth my friends is this.
00:14:37.71\00:14:42.44
Catholicism never
has been, is not today,
00:14:42.48\00:14:47.28
never will be a
threat to American democracy.
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It was and
remains the most colorful
00:14:52.65\00:14:55.96
and most vibrant thread
running through the tapestry
00:14:55.99\00:14:59.89
of American democracy."
00:14:59.93\00:15:03.03
In another statement, he
refers to Cardinal Gibbons,
00:15:03.06\00:15:05.70
a great Cardinal
renowned in the United States.
00:15:05.73\00:15:09.20
And he wrote this.
00:15:09.24\00:15:11.01
"Cardinal Gibbons
said this: he said,
00:15:11.04\00:15:15.58
No constitution
is more in harmony
00:15:15.61\00:15:20.02
with Catholic principles
than the American Constitution,
00:15:20.05\00:15:24.45
and no religion
is more in accord
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with that constitution
than the Catholic religion."
00:15:27.29\00:15:31.16
That's amazing.
00:15:31.19\00:15:32.59
He's quoting
Gibbons and he's approving
00:15:32.63\00:15:35.00
of what Cardinal
Gibbons had to say.
00:15:35.03\00:15:37.60
Either Ralph Reed is
suffering of historical amnesia
00:15:37.63\00:15:43.04
or else he's openly
prevaricating and lying.
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In the Amarillo
Sunday News Globe
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for December 10, 1995.
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Ralph Reed wrote the following,
00:15:54.38\00:15:56.79
"We can no longer
afford to be divided.
00:15:56.82\00:15:59.99
It is a luxury
that is no longer ours."
00:16:00.02\00:16:04.03
So division is
a luxury, he says,
00:16:04.06\00:16:06.63
then it continues his statement,
00:16:06.66\00:16:09.06
"The left, the political left,
wants you and I to be divided.
00:16:09.10\00:16:13.87
Nothing frightens the
left more than Christians
00:16:13.90\00:16:18.01
shattering the
barriers of denomination."
00:16:18.04\00:16:22.88
One last statement by
Ralph Reed, he stated,
00:16:22.91\00:16:26.48
"Obviously, some teachings are
00:16:26.51\00:16:28.98
more important than others,
00:16:29.02\00:16:31.45
and there has to be an agreement
00:16:31.49\00:16:33.66
on those essential points."
00:16:33.69\00:16:35.26
I want you to
remember these statements,
00:16:35.29\00:16:37.06
because at the
end, I'm gonna read you
00:16:37.09\00:16:38.43
some statements from Ellen White
00:16:38.46\00:16:39.79
that were written 130 years ago.
00:16:39.83\00:16:42.73
So once again,
"Obviously, some teachings
00:16:42.76\00:16:45.13
are more important than others
00:16:45.17\00:16:46.70
and there has to be an agreement
00:16:46.74\00:16:48.40
on those essential points,
00:16:48.44\00:16:51.01
while leaving
considerable latitude
00:16:51.04\00:16:53.38
on other points
that are less essential
00:16:53.41\00:16:56.34
to the faith."
00:16:56.38\00:16:58.55
Let me read you what
W.A. Criswell had to say.
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W.A. Criswell pastored
one of the largest churches
00:17:03.25\00:17:07.92
in the United States,
00:17:07.96\00:17:09.69
the First Baptist
Church of Dallas, Texas.
00:17:09.72\00:17:13.53
And he wrote the following.
00:17:13.56\00:17:14.96
This is quoted
in Dave Hunt's book,
00:17:15.00\00:17:17.17
A Woman Rides
the Beast, page 388.
00:17:17.20\00:17:20.34
This Protestant pastor,
Baptist mind you, wrote,
00:17:20.37\00:17:25.04
"I don't know of
anyone more dedicated
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to the great fundamental
doctrines of Christianity
00:17:28.48\00:17:32.68
than the Catholics."
00:17:32.71\00:17:35.52
Let me tell you a few things
00:17:35.55\00:17:36.89
about the late
Billy Graham, you know,
00:17:36.92\00:17:38.25
he's gonna be buried very soon.
00:17:38.29\00:17:42.16
I don't know if you're aware,
00:17:42.19\00:17:43.53
but the assistant
evangelist to Billy Graham,
00:17:43.56\00:17:46.26
when Billy Graham
couldn't go to a place
00:17:46.29\00:17:48.46
was Emilio Knechtle.
00:17:48.50\00:17:50.47
And he converted
00:17:50.50\00:17:51.93
to the
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
00:17:51.97\00:17:54.40
And so he knew
Billy Graham very well
00:17:54.44\00:17:57.01
and several times he said that
Billy Graham knew very well,
00:17:57.04\00:18:01.54
the Adventist
view of the Sabbath
00:18:01.58\00:18:03.68
as well as other doctrines.
00:18:03.71\00:18:05.51
Let me and, of
course, he knew about
00:18:05.55\00:18:07.22
the Seventh-day Adventist
view of the papacy and so on.
00:18:07.25\00:18:10.72
Billy Graham, of course,
00:18:10.75\00:18:13.22
was the most
admired Protestant minister
00:18:13.25\00:18:15.32
in the United States
until the moment of his death,
00:18:15.36\00:18:17.63
he counseled presidents,
all of the presidents.
00:18:17.66\00:18:21.33
I don't know which
president it begins with,
00:18:21.36\00:18:23.83
but he was always
in the White House,
00:18:23.87\00:18:25.83
praying for presidents
and giving spiritual advice.
00:18:25.87\00:18:30.17
Let me read you what
Billy Graham had to say.
00:18:30.21\00:18:33.21
"I've found that my
beliefs are essentially the same
00:18:33.24\00:18:39.11
as those of
Orthodox Roman Catholics."
00:18:39.15\00:18:42.42
That is quoted in A
Women Rides the Beast,
00:18:42.45\00:18:45.25
page 388.
00:18:45.29\00:18:47.36
In 1981, Billy
Graham held the pope,
00:18:47.39\00:18:51.99
who was John
Paul II at that time,
00:18:52.03\00:18:54.26
"As the greatest
moral leader of the world
00:18:54.30\00:18:58.13
and the world's
greatest evangelist."
00:18:58.17\00:19:01.70
In US News and World Report,
00:19:01.74\00:19:04.47
we find these words
spoken by Billy Graham.
00:19:04.51\00:19:08.71
And this is for
December 19, 1988.
00:19:08.74\00:19:12.38
He said, "World
travel and getting to know
00:19:12.41\00:19:16.89
the clergy of all
denominations has helped mold me
00:19:16.92\00:19:21.76
into an ecumenical being.
00:19:21.79\00:19:25.26
We're separated by theology and,
00:19:25.29\00:19:28.03
in some instances
by culture and race,
00:19:28.06\00:19:31.30
but all that means
nothing to me anymore."
00:19:31.33\00:19:36.47
On the program
Good Morning America
00:19:36.50\00:19:38.94
for August 12, 1993,
00:19:38.97\00:19:41.71
Billy Graham
stated, "I admire the pope.
00:19:41.74\00:19:44.55
We address the
same moral issues."
00:19:44.58\00:19:48.58
And the program
Larry King Live on CNN,
00:19:48.62\00:19:53.09
in Salt Lake
City, January 21, 1998.
00:19:53.12\00:19:57.86
Larry King
interviewed Billy Graham.
00:19:57.89\00:20:02.66
The pope had just been named...
00:20:02.70\00:20:05.97
John Paul II have
just been named the pope.
00:20:06.00\00:20:09.10
And Billy Graham
was in Salt Lake City.
00:20:09.14\00:20:10.71
So Larry King interviewed him.
00:20:10.74\00:20:12.81
And here's the
question and answers.
00:20:12.84\00:20:16.28
And Larry King asked,
"Do you feel comfortable
00:20:16.31\00:20:18.61
with Salt Lake City?
00:20:18.65\00:20:20.22
Do you feel
comfortable with the Vatican?"
00:20:20.25\00:20:23.08
Graham answered,
"Oh, I'm very comfortable
00:20:23.12\00:20:25.09
with the Vatican.
00:20:25.12\00:20:26.45
I've been to see
the pope several times,
00:20:26.49\00:20:29.22
and, in fact, the
day he was inaugurated,
00:20:29.26\00:20:32.86
then is made pope,
00:20:32.89\00:20:34.23
I was preaching in
his Cathedral in Krakow.
00:20:34.26\00:20:37.47
I was his guest."
00:20:37.50\00:20:40.27
Larry King then asked,
00:20:40.30\00:20:42.54
"You were
preaching in his church,
00:20:42.57\00:20:44.77
the day he was made pope?"
00:20:44.81\00:20:47.41
Billy Graham answered,
"That is correct, in Krakow."
00:20:47.44\00:20:50.65
And Billy Graham
chuckled when he said that.
00:20:50.68\00:20:55.08
King then asked him,
"You must have been shocked?"
00:20:55.12\00:20:58.95
Billy Graham
answered, "Of course, I was.
00:20:58.99\00:21:01.06
They were shouting on
the streets, you know,
00:21:01.09\00:21:03.32
the next day,
'Polish pope, Polish pope.'"
00:21:03.36\00:21:07.40
And then Larry
King asked Billy Graham,
00:21:07.43\00:21:09.36
"Do you like the pope?"
00:21:09.40\00:21:11.30
Billy Graham
answered, "I like him very much.
00:21:11.33\00:21:14.44
He's very conservative.
00:21:14.47\00:21:16.34
He and I agree on
almost everything."
00:21:16.37\00:21:22.31
The dean of evangelists
for the last 80 years,
00:21:22.34\00:21:27.92
or the last 70 years at least.
00:21:27.95\00:21:30.85
Let me mention an
ecumenical meeting
00:21:30.89\00:21:33.02
that took place
when Pope Benedict
00:21:33.05\00:21:34.89
visited the United States.
00:21:34.92\00:21:37.03
This event took place
on Friday, April 18, 2008,
00:21:37.06\00:21:41.93
at St. Joseph's Church
in Manhattan, New York.
00:21:41.96\00:21:46.47
The Vatican had
invited to come there
00:21:46.50\00:21:49.30
250 Protestant leaders
from all denominations,
00:21:49.34\00:21:54.54
represented there
were United Methodist,
00:21:54.58\00:21:57.88
Evangelical Lutherans,
00:21:57.91\00:21:59.65
the Lutheran
Church Missouri Synod,
00:21:59.68\00:22:01.85
the National
Association of Evangelicals,
00:22:01.88\00:22:04.52
Presbyterians,
the Reformed Church,
00:22:04.55\00:22:07.06
the National Baptist Convention,
00:22:07.09\00:22:09.16
various Pentecostal
groups, the Greek Orthodox,
00:22:09.19\00:22:12.36
Armenian and Episcopalian,
00:22:12.39\00:22:14.43
even the Mormons
were represented there.
00:22:14.46\00:22:17.73
The Seventh-day Adventist Church
00:22:17.77\00:22:19.10
was not represented at
the ecumenical meeting.
00:22:19.13\00:22:22.27
Fifteen of the prominent leaders
00:22:22.30\00:22:24.54
were invited to go
and greet the pope,
00:22:24.57\00:22:27.91
as he stood
there on the platform,
00:22:27.94\00:22:29.98
these 15 leaders filed
one by one to go by the pope.
00:22:30.01\00:22:34.95
I saw this with my own
eyes, it was unbelievable.
00:22:34.98\00:22:38.72
These leaders would come
and they would shake his hand,
00:22:38.75\00:22:41.99
some of them would bow
and then they would whisper
00:22:42.02\00:22:45.79
kind words to Benedict XVI.
00:22:45.83\00:22:49.73
In spite of the
fact that Benedict XVI
00:22:49.76\00:22:52.67
wrote very clearly
that Protestant churches
00:22:52.70\00:22:55.67
are not real Christian churches,
00:22:55.70\00:22:58.24
and yet you have these 250
prominent religious leaders
00:22:58.27\00:23:02.84
in the United States
going to that meeting.
00:23:02.88\00:23:07.78
And by the way, Pope Francis...
00:23:07.82\00:23:12.25
If you go to the internet,
you'll be able to find this.
00:23:12.29\00:23:15.59
In Rome, in two
different events,
00:23:15.62\00:23:19.29
he sat on a
throne, a white throne,
00:23:19.33\00:23:23.70
and on each side of the throne,
00:23:23.73\00:23:26.63
there was a cherub.
00:23:26.67\00:23:29.50
Now, isn't that interesting?
00:23:29.54\00:23:31.61
Because Psalm 80:1 says,
00:23:31.64\00:23:34.04
that God sits
between the cherubim,
00:23:34.08\00:23:38.68
and here these
Protestants are going there,
00:23:38.71\00:23:42.95
and not fearing
the papacy at all,
00:23:42.98\00:23:45.75
because they are
returning to the papacy
00:23:45.79\00:23:49.02
on common points of doctrine,
00:23:49.06\00:23:51.29
Sunday as well as
the state of the dead,
00:23:51.33\00:23:53.93
the two great doctrines,
00:23:53.96\00:23:55.53
and because they no
longer fear the papacy,
00:23:55.56\00:23:57.57
because they have adopted
00:23:57.60\00:23:59.43
the Roman Catholic
view of Bible prophecy.
00:23:59.47\00:24:03.81
Let me mention a
meeting that took place
00:24:03.84\00:24:09.24
at a convention that
was organized by a man
00:24:09.28\00:24:12.51
by the name of Kenneth Copeland.
00:24:12.55\00:24:15.28
Have you ever heard
of Kenneth Copeland?
00:24:15.32\00:24:17.39
I'm sure that you've heard
about the Tony Palmer affair.
00:24:17.42\00:24:20.82
I'm gonna share
those details with you
00:24:20.86\00:24:22.39
because there
might be some people here
00:24:22.42\00:24:24.59
who don't know all of
the details about this.
00:24:24.63\00:24:28.06
Tony Palmer,
00:24:28.10\00:24:29.50
he died in a motorcycle accident
00:24:29.53\00:24:31.13
shortly after this
was an Anglican clergyman
00:24:31.17\00:24:34.60
of the Celtic tradition.
00:24:34.64\00:24:37.04
And he lamented the
fact that his own church,
00:24:37.07\00:24:39.81
the Anglican Church,
had splintered into many,
00:24:39.84\00:24:43.18
many different groups.
00:24:43.21\00:24:44.65
The Anglican
Church was divided into
00:24:44.68\00:24:46.55
all kinds of
factions, offshoots everywhere.
00:24:46.58\00:24:49.62
And so he longed for not
only the Anglican Church,
00:24:49.65\00:24:53.25
but also for the
Protestant churches
00:24:53.29\00:24:55.42
to come together.
00:24:55.46\00:24:57.89
And so he was
invited in February of 2014,
00:24:57.93\00:25:03.30
to a conference
that was organized
00:25:03.33\00:25:05.07
by Kenneth Copeland.
00:25:05.10\00:25:06.43
Now you need to understand
00:25:06.47\00:25:07.80
that Kenneth
Copeland has a lot of clout
00:25:07.84\00:25:09.77
in the United States.
00:25:09.80\00:25:11.54
He has millions of followers.
00:25:11.57\00:25:13.91
He's one of these
television evangelists.
00:25:13.94\00:25:17.01
And so Palmer was
invited to give a speech there
00:25:17.05\00:25:21.02
at Kenneth
Copeland's convention.
00:25:21.05\00:25:23.49
And this took
place, February 25, 2014.
00:25:23.52\00:25:28.42
Tony Palmer began by saying that
00:25:28.46\00:25:30.33
he had come in the
spirit and power of Elijah,
00:25:30.36\00:25:33.90
to bring the hearts of
the sons to the fathers,
00:25:33.93\00:25:36.67
and the fathers to
their sons, in other words,
00:25:36.70\00:25:39.43
with the intention of uniting
Protestants and Catholics.
00:25:39.47\00:25:44.47
In his address, he
lamented that 500 years
00:25:44.51\00:25:49.21
after the reformation,
00:25:49.24\00:25:51.31
Protestantism
had split into 33,000
00:25:51.35\00:25:55.02
different denominations
and religious entities.
00:25:55.05\00:25:58.65
And then he said,
diversity is divine,
00:25:58.69\00:26:02.62
division is diabolic.
00:26:02.66\00:26:06.13
And then he went on to affirm
00:26:06.16\00:26:08.23
that God had given
charismatics, the glory,
00:26:08.26\00:26:12.27
so that they might be one.
00:26:12.30\00:26:14.34
And by the way,
when I say charismatics,
00:26:14.37\00:26:16.57
a Kenneth Copeland is a
charismatic on television.
00:26:16.60\00:26:20.48
Sometimes he actually speaks
00:26:20.51\00:26:22.48
in a language that
no one understands.
00:26:22.51\00:26:25.21
And I believe that God Himself
00:26:25.25\00:26:26.65
doesn't understand the
language he's speaking in.
00:26:26.68\00:26:29.12
But anyway,
00:26:29.15\00:26:30.49
Tony Palmer
continues saying this,
00:26:30.52\00:26:33.09
"It is the glory
that glues us together,
00:26:33.12\00:26:36.79
not the doctrine."
00:26:36.83\00:26:39.49
Interesting.
00:26:39.53\00:26:40.86
In other words, we all
have a common experience,
00:26:40.90\00:26:43.67
doctrine doesn't matter.
00:26:43.70\00:26:45.03
So he says,
00:26:45.07\00:26:46.40
"It is the glory
that glues us together,
00:26:46.43\00:26:47.90
not the doctrine.
00:26:47.94\00:26:49.27
It's the glory.
00:26:49.30\00:26:50.64
If you accept that the
glory of God is living in me
00:26:50.67\00:26:54.58
and the presence
of God is in you,
00:26:54.61\00:26:56.95
that's all we need,
00:26:56.98\00:26:58.41
because God will sort out
00:26:58.45\00:27:00.42
all our doctrine later upstairs.
00:27:00.45\00:27:04.55
Christian unity is the
basis of our credibility
00:27:04.59\00:27:07.92
because Jesus said
00:27:07.96\00:27:09.72
that until we are one
the world will not believe."
00:27:09.76\00:27:14.83
Now 1999, Roman
Catholics and Protestants,
00:27:14.86\00:27:20.44
specifically the
Lutherans had signed,
00:27:20.47\00:27:23.67
what is known as
the Joint Declaration
00:27:23.71\00:27:25.91
on righteousness by faith.
00:27:25.94\00:27:27.84
And basically, the
Lutheran said, you know,
00:27:27.88\00:27:30.61
the debate between Lutheran,
00:27:30.65\00:27:32.35
the Roman
Catholic Church was mostly
00:27:32.38\00:27:34.65
on a debate over semantics.
00:27:34.68\00:27:37.02
But really, there wasn't
that much difference between
00:27:37.05\00:27:39.72
Luther and the
Roman Catholic Church.
00:27:39.75\00:27:41.26
Interesting that it would,
00:27:41.29\00:27:42.62
they would wait till
1999 to say such a thing.
00:27:42.66\00:27:46.59
And so he
lamented in his speech,
00:27:46.63\00:27:49.23
Palmer did that
only the Lutherans
00:27:49.26\00:27:54.24
and at that point,
00:27:54.27\00:27:55.60
the Methodist had
signed the Joint Declaration
00:27:55.64\00:27:57.91
on righteousness by faith.
00:27:57.94\00:27:59.27
He says, "Where are all of
the other Protestant groups
00:27:59.31\00:28:02.54
in signing this declaration,
this joint declaration?"
00:28:02.58\00:28:06.61
And then he stated,
00:28:06.65\00:28:08.68
speaking about
Luther's Protestant movement.
00:28:08.72\00:28:11.45
He said, "Brothers and sisters,
00:28:11.49\00:28:13.86
Luther's protest is over.
00:28:13.89\00:28:16.96
Is yours?"
00:28:16.99\00:28:19.13
And then after
lamenting as I mentioned that
00:28:19.16\00:28:21.63
no evangelical church
00:28:21.66\00:28:23.37
had signed this
joint declaration
00:28:23.40\00:28:25.40
between Catholics and Lutherans.
00:28:25.43\00:28:28.40
He said, "This must be fixed.
00:28:28.44\00:28:31.07
The protest has
been over for 15 years.
00:28:31.11\00:28:36.61
If there is no
longer any protest,
00:28:36.64\00:28:39.58
how can there be
a Protestant Church?
00:28:39.61\00:28:42.18
Maybe now we are
all Catholics again."
00:28:42.22\00:28:47.69
Isn't this amazing?
00:28:47.72\00:28:51.09
Then, of course, we
know that Tony Palmer
00:28:51.13\00:28:53.53
was a good friend
of Pope Francis I.
00:28:53.56\00:28:56.77
He visited him many times.
00:28:56.80\00:28:59.23
And so before this convention,
00:28:59.27\00:29:00.90
he had gone to
visit Pope Francis I,
00:29:00.94\00:29:04.21
and he told him,
you're not gonna have this,
00:29:04.24\00:29:05.74
they're gonna be at
this big convention,
00:29:05.77\00:29:07.34
this best big
charismatic convention,
00:29:07.38\00:29:09.24
I would like you
to send a message
00:29:09.28\00:29:11.08
to the people that are
coming, hundreds of them,
00:29:11.11\00:29:12.91
leaders of the
charismatic movement.
00:29:12.95\00:29:15.48
And so Tony Palmer
took out his cell phone,
00:29:15.52\00:29:18.55
and he recorded
on the cell phone
00:29:18.59\00:29:20.26
a message from Francis I,
00:29:20.29\00:29:22.86
to those who are
attending this convention.
00:29:22.89\00:29:26.93
And I want to read here
what the pope had to say
00:29:26.96\00:29:31.47
to those who came
to the convention.
00:29:31.50\00:29:33.70
He said, "I am yearning
00:29:33.74\00:29:36.14
that this
separation comes to an end
00:29:36.17\00:29:39.81
and gives us communion.
00:29:39.84\00:29:42.08
I am yearning for that embrace."
00:29:42.11\00:29:45.78
At the end of his
message, the pope spoke to those
00:29:45.81\00:29:48.75
who had come to
00:29:48.78\00:29:50.12
Kenneth Copeland's
convention saying this,
00:29:50.15\00:29:52.92
"Please pray for
me, I need your prayers.
00:29:52.95\00:29:56.36
And I will pray for
you, but I need your prayers.
00:29:56.39\00:30:00.00
And let's pray that the
Lord that He unites us all.
00:30:00.03\00:30:03.63
Come on, we are brothers.
00:30:03.67\00:30:06.10
Let's give each
other a spiritual hug,
00:30:06.13\00:30:08.97
and let God complete
the work that He has begun.
00:30:09.00\00:30:12.17
And this is a miracle, the
miracle of unity has begun.
00:30:12.21\00:30:17.05
I ask you to
bless me, I bless you.
00:30:17.08\00:30:20.75
From brother to
brother I embrace you."
00:30:20.78\00:30:25.89
After the pope
delivered his message,
00:30:25.92\00:30:29.46
the delegates stood
and clapped and cheered.
00:30:29.49\00:30:33.50
And Kenneth
Copeland went to the stage,
00:30:33.53\00:30:37.80
repeating the same
phrase over and over again,
00:30:37.83\00:30:40.97
glory, glory, glory, glory.
00:30:41.00\00:30:44.84
And he stated, we do not
know how to pray for him,
00:30:44.87\00:30:50.48
as we ought
referring to the pope.
00:30:50.51\00:30:52.95
He says, we don't really
know how to pray for the pope.
00:30:52.98\00:30:56.25
And so now, Kenneth Copeland
00:30:56.28\00:30:59.25
begins praying
in an unknown tongue
00:30:59.29\00:31:03.99
for the pope.
00:31:04.03\00:31:08.76
At the end of his prayer,
he said to Tony Palmer, Tony,
00:31:08.80\00:31:12.83
bring your cell-phone
00:31:12.87\00:31:14.37
because I wanna record a message
00:31:14.40\00:31:15.90
for you to take to the pope.
00:31:15.94\00:31:18.41
And let me read the
message that was recorded
00:31:18.44\00:31:22.64
by Kenneth Copeland
to send back to the pope
00:31:22.68\00:31:25.38
with Tony Palmer.
00:31:25.41\00:31:26.85
I quote, "These leaders,
00:31:26.88\00:31:30.09
the ones that
were at the convention,
00:31:30.12\00:31:31.85
represent
literally tens of thousands
00:31:31.89\00:31:34.66
that love you,
00:31:34.69\00:31:37.63
that believe
that God is with you,
00:31:37.66\00:31:40.76
and in answer to your request
we have just prayed for you
00:31:40.80\00:31:44.03
and with you, and we
did so in the spirit.
00:31:44.07\00:31:48.00
We do bless you, we
receive your blessing.
00:31:48.04\00:31:52.61
It is very,
very important to us.
00:31:52.64\00:31:55.31
And we bless you
with all our hearts,
00:31:55.34\00:31:58.21
we bless you with all our souls,
00:31:58.25\00:32:00.58
we bless you
with all our might..."
00:32:00.62\00:32:03.55
By the way, who
does that apply to?
00:32:03.59\00:32:05.89
God. God.
00:32:05.92\00:32:08.19
And he ended by
saying, "And we thank you sir,
00:32:08.22\00:32:11.63
we thank God for you,
and so all of us declare:
00:32:11.66\00:32:16.53
'Be blessed.'"
00:32:16.56\00:32:19.30
Would something
like this have happened
00:32:19.33\00:32:20.87
in the period
of the Reformation?
00:32:20.90\00:32:23.64
Absolutely not.
00:32:23.67\00:32:25.54
But because Protestants
share many of the common views
00:32:25.57\00:32:29.68
with the papacy, Sunday,
the immortality of the soul,
00:32:29.71\00:32:33.15
among other things, and because
00:32:33.18\00:32:35.15
they have totally forgotten that
00:32:35.18\00:32:37.29
the Antichrist would appear
00:32:37.32\00:32:39.15
when the Roman
Empire was divided,
00:32:39.19\00:32:41.12
and that points to the papacy,
00:32:41.16\00:32:42.69
they have a different
system of interpreting prophecy.
00:32:42.72\00:32:45.23
They no longer have any fear
of the Roman Catholic papacy,
00:32:45.26\00:32:49.46
and therefore,
they see no reason
00:32:49.50\00:32:51.73
not to unite with the papacy.
00:32:51.77\00:32:54.94
You know, after
this specific episode
00:32:54.97\00:32:57.84
between Tony Palmer
and Kenneth Copeland
00:32:57.87\00:33:00.84
and the pope,
00:33:00.88\00:33:02.44
the pope started inviting
prominent Protestant leaders
00:33:02.48\00:33:06.08
to come and visit
him at the Vatican.
00:33:06.11\00:33:08.35
One of those was James Robison.
00:33:08.38\00:33:11.22
He is a very influential
television personality.
00:33:11.25\00:33:15.06
He has a program
called Life Today.
00:33:15.09\00:33:17.39
He has thousands and thousands
00:33:17.43\00:33:19.56
of followers
across the United States.
00:33:19.59\00:33:22.36
He was invited to go
visit the pope, Pope Francis I.
00:33:22.40\00:33:26.60
I want to read you
00:33:26.63\00:33:28.90
what James
Robison said to the pope.
00:33:28.94\00:33:32.94
"Pope Francis, let me say to you
00:33:32.97\00:33:37.15
that I see Jesus
in you, and in Christ,
00:33:37.18\00:33:41.25
we are brothers, we are family.
00:33:41.28\00:33:45.15
Thank you for
speaking the language of love
00:33:45.19\00:33:48.46
that all may come to
know him and love him
00:33:48.49\00:33:51.89
and love one another."
00:33:51.93\00:33:54.63
And then he asked for permission
00:33:54.66\00:33:57.17
whether the pope will
be willing to give him
00:33:57.20\00:33:59.50
a high-five.
00:33:59.53\00:34:01.60
And for the
first time in history,
00:34:01.64\00:34:04.41
Pope Francis I and James Robison
00:34:04.44\00:34:09.08
hit each other's
hands in a high-five.
00:34:09.11\00:34:13.82
On May 5, 2014, Tony
Palmer was invited to be
00:34:13.85\00:34:18.49
at the program Life
Today with James Robison.
00:34:18.52\00:34:23.46
And this is what Tony Palmer
00:34:23.49\00:34:25.09
had to say at
James Robison's program.
00:34:25.13\00:34:28.63
"Diversity is divine,
00:34:28.66\00:34:30.93
it is division that is diabolic.
00:34:30.97\00:34:34.07
Jesus' theology..."
00:34:34.10\00:34:36.57
Notice how superficial
he sees Jesus' theology.
00:34:36.60\00:34:39.94
"Jesus' theology is
that if God is in you
00:34:39.97\00:34:43.78
and you are in
God and God is in me
00:34:43.81\00:34:47.52
and I am in God,
00:34:47.55\00:34:49.55
we are one together in God."
00:34:49.58\00:34:52.02
Well, that's profound, isn't it?
00:34:52.05\00:34:55.02
I'm being sarcastic in
case you didn't catch it.
00:34:55.06\00:34:58.29
And then he said, "Our
sin is that we don't make
00:34:58.33\00:35:01.40
our unity visible
00:35:01.43\00:35:03.43
because we allow our
diversities to divide us
00:35:03.47\00:35:07.74
and if we elevate
anything to divide us
00:35:07.77\00:35:10.64
we are elevating
it above the cross.
00:35:10.67\00:35:13.24
So, whether it is a doctrine
or a dogma or an expression,
00:35:13.27\00:35:18.25
if you use that
to divide our unity
00:35:18.28\00:35:21.12
you have elevated that
doctrine or whatever it may be
00:35:21.15\00:35:24.62
above the cross.
00:35:24.65\00:35:26.22
Now, we are not
saying 'put doctrine aside,
00:35:26.25\00:35:29.89
certainly not!'
00:35:29.92\00:35:31.49
Pope Francis recognizes
only two fundamental doctrines,
00:35:31.53\00:35:35.06
love for God and
love for your neighbor,
00:35:35.10\00:35:37.87
end of doctrine!'"
00:35:37.90\00:35:40.07
So, what he's saying
is that the only doctrines
00:35:40.10\00:35:42.10
that are
important our love for God
00:35:42.14\00:35:43.54
and love for your fellowman,
00:35:43.57\00:35:45.77
and Protestants and
Catholics need to join together
00:35:45.81\00:35:48.91
and just set aside all
of the other differences.
00:35:48.94\00:35:52.31
Another individual
that was invited to go
00:35:52.35\00:35:55.12
visit the Pope was Joel Osteen.
00:35:55.15\00:35:58.95
Ever heard of him?
00:35:58.99\00:36:00.62
He fills a former
basketball Coliseum
00:36:00.66\00:36:05.69
of the Houston
Rockets three times on Sundays
00:36:05.73\00:36:08.86
to maximum capacity.
00:36:08.90\00:36:10.63
He has three
services at least there.
00:36:10.67\00:36:13.57
And he was invited to
go to the Vatican as well,
00:36:13.60\00:36:16.94
after Kenneth
Copeland's convention.
00:36:16.97\00:36:19.54
He was a pope's guest.
00:36:19.57\00:36:21.51
And in an interview,
00:36:21.54\00:36:22.88
Joel Osteen
said about his visit,
00:36:22.91\00:36:25.71
"I just felt very
honored and very humbled."
00:36:25.75\00:36:30.95
He continued, "It was amazing.
00:36:30.99\00:36:33.62
And even to go back into
that part of the Vatican,
00:36:33.66\00:36:37.13
there's so much history there,"
00:36:37.16\00:36:38.86
you better believe there is,
"there's so much history there,
00:36:38.89\00:36:43.00
the place that
they took us through,
00:36:43.03\00:36:45.30
you feel that deep
respect and reverence for God."
00:36:45.33\00:36:50.54
And then Joel
Osteen attended a mass
00:36:50.57\00:36:53.81
that was celebrated
in St. Peter's Square.
00:36:53.84\00:36:57.35
There were about
100,000 people gathered there
00:36:57.38\00:36:59.98
when Pope Francis
celebrated the mass.
00:37:00.02\00:37:02.62
And this is what Joel Osteen
said about that experience.
00:37:02.65\00:37:06.39
"Afterward, the
pope spent an hour
00:37:06.42\00:37:09.66
and a half going
through the crowd
00:37:09.69\00:37:12.69
with the pope mobile,
00:37:12.73\00:37:14.23
greeting the people.
00:37:14.26\00:37:15.96
It was very heartwarming
to see him caring for people.
00:37:16.00\00:37:20.74
I love the fact
that he's made the Church
00:37:20.77\00:37:23.10
more inclusive.
00:37:23.14\00:37:25.07
Not trying to make it smaller,
00:37:25.11\00:37:27.44
but to try to make it
larger to take everybody in.
00:37:27.48\00:37:33.11
So that just resonates with me."
00:37:33.15\00:37:37.02
Do you think, folks,
that if Protestantism
00:37:37.05\00:37:40.09
had stuck to its
prophetic principles,
00:37:40.12\00:37:43.36
that any of these individuals
00:37:43.39\00:37:44.93
would be saying
things such as this?
00:37:44.96\00:37:48.36
They would never say
this, if they believe that
00:37:48.40\00:37:50.43
the papacy was the Antichrist.
00:37:50.47\00:37:52.13
They don't believe that anymore.
00:37:52.17\00:37:54.37
They forsaken their roots
of the Protestant Reformation,
00:37:54.40\00:37:58.47
Lutherans, all of the churches
have forsaken their roots.
00:37:58.51\00:38:03.45
And that's why I said that
00:38:03.48\00:38:04.81
if Martin Luther
resurrected today,
00:38:04.85\00:38:07.48
he would die of a heart attack,
00:38:07.52\00:38:09.62
when he saw what has happened
to the church that he founded.
00:38:09.65\00:38:13.46
Let me mention a few
things about Rick Warren,
00:38:13.49\00:38:15.89
ever heard about him?
00:38:15.92\00:38:17.93
He wrote two bestsellers,
00:38:17.96\00:38:21.60
The Purpose Driven Church
00:38:21.63\00:38:23.77
and The Purpose Driven Life,
00:38:23.80\00:38:26.03
which by the way are
used very prominently
00:38:26.07\00:38:28.50
in many
Seventh-day Adventist churches,
00:38:28.54\00:38:30.77
I might say.
00:38:30.81\00:38:32.37
He's the pastor of
a large mega church
00:38:32.41\00:38:35.34
in Southern California.
00:38:35.38\00:38:37.28
Time magazine several years ago
00:38:37.31\00:38:40.02
said that Rick Warren
was the ideal individual
00:38:40.05\00:38:43.55
to take the
place of Billy Graham,
00:38:43.59\00:38:45.99
when Billy Graham passed away.
00:38:46.02\00:38:49.09
Rick Warren was
also invited to go
00:38:49.12\00:38:51.09
to the Vatican
to visit the pope.
00:38:51.13\00:38:53.73
In November of 2014,
Rick Warren said this
00:38:53.76\00:38:59.33
about the relationship between
Catholics and Protestants,
00:38:59.37\00:39:03.20
he said, "We have
far more in common
00:39:03.24\00:39:06.98
than what divides us."
00:39:07.01\00:39:09.68
And then he stated this,
"Catholics and Protestants
00:39:09.71\00:39:13.11
would all say, we
believe in the Trinity.
00:39:13.15\00:39:16.42
We believe in the Bible.
00:39:16.45\00:39:18.05
We believe in the resurrection.
00:39:18.09\00:39:20.16
We believe in
salvation through Jesus Christ.
00:39:20.19\00:39:22.86
These are the big issues."
00:39:22.89\00:39:25.43
He went on.
00:39:25.46\00:39:26.86
"Sometimes Protestants
00:39:26.90\00:39:28.46
think that
Catholics worship Mary
00:39:28.50\00:39:30.67
like she's another god,
00:39:30.70\00:39:32.47
but that's not
exactly Catholic doctrine.
00:39:32.50\00:39:35.77
Believe me, it might not be
the doctrines of the scholars,
00:39:35.80\00:39:41.04
but the common folk do believe
00:39:41.08\00:39:43.35
that they're worshipping Mary.
00:39:43.38\00:39:45.08
I have gone to many
Roman Catholic cathedrals,
00:39:45.11\00:39:47.68
as I see faithful
Roman Catholics bowing
00:39:47.72\00:39:50.32
before images of
Mary and praying to her.
00:39:50.35\00:39:54.06
He continues
saying, "People say:
00:39:54.09\00:39:57.23
'What are the saints all about?
00:39:57.26\00:39:59.53
Why are you
praying to the saints?'
00:39:59.56\00:40:02.26
And when you
understand what they mean
00:40:02.30\00:40:04.40
by what they're saying,
00:40:04.43\00:40:05.97
there's a whole
lot of commonality
00:40:06.00\00:40:08.57
that we have with Catholics."
00:40:08.60\00:40:10.84
There still are
real differences,
00:40:10.87\00:40:12.74
no doubt about that,
00:40:12.77\00:40:14.24
but the most important thing is,
00:40:14.28\00:40:16.58
if you love Jesus,
we are on the same team.
00:40:16.61\00:40:20.78
When it comes to the family,
00:40:20.82\00:40:22.75
we are coworkers in this field
00:40:22.78\00:40:27.66
for the protection
of the sanctity of life,
00:40:27.69\00:40:30.19
the sanctity of sex and
the sanctity of marriage.
00:40:30.23\00:40:34.06
So there's a great commonality
and there's no division
00:40:34.10\00:40:39.60
on any of those three."
00:40:39.63\00:40:43.81
There have also
been ecumenical documents
00:40:43.84\00:40:45.74
that have been signed.
00:40:45.77\00:40:47.71
The pope went to Malmo,
00:40:47.74\00:40:52.91
Sweden,
00:40:52.95\00:40:54.28
a year before the anniversary
of the Protestant Reformation
00:40:54.32\00:40:58.12
and there, the Lutheran
00:40:58.15\00:41:00.32
and the pope
signed an agreement.
00:41:00.36\00:41:04.46
Furthermore, the
Joint Declaration
00:41:04.49\00:41:07.33
and Righteousness by
faith was signed between
00:41:07.36\00:41:09.40
Lutherans and
Roman Catholics in 1999.
00:41:09.43\00:41:14.27
A little bit
earlier, a document was signed
00:41:14.30\00:41:16.71
Evangelicals and
Catholics together,
00:41:16.74\00:41:19.51
saying that they
should all cooperate
00:41:19.54\00:41:21.61
in sharing the gospel.
00:41:21.64\00:41:23.58
And as we know, Pope
Francis gave a speech
00:41:23.61\00:41:27.95
before a Joint Sense
Session of the Congress
00:41:27.98\00:41:30.45
of the United States
without a single ounce of fear
00:41:30.49\00:41:34.12
on the part of
any of the politicians
00:41:34.16\00:41:35.99
who were present there.
00:41:36.02\00:41:38.19
As it's known,
Pope Francis has made it
00:41:38.23\00:41:40.43
the top of his agenda to try
and unite the Christian world,
00:41:40.46\00:41:45.43
to try and unite Protestants.
00:41:45.47\00:41:47.70
He has had
meeting after meeting,
00:41:47.74\00:41:49.64
he has visited
country after country
00:41:49.67\00:41:51.71
with the intention
00:41:51.74\00:41:53.17
of joining Protestants together.
00:41:53.21\00:41:57.25
Now, let me read
you before we come to
00:41:57.28\00:41:59.68
the conclusion of our study
00:41:59.71\00:42:01.78
some statements
that were written by
00:42:01.82\00:42:03.69
Ellen G. White.
00:42:03.72\00:42:05.99
They were written in 1888,
00:42:06.02\00:42:11.26
when Protestants and Catholics
00:42:11.29\00:42:13.09
did not get along at all.
00:42:13.13\00:42:16.13
Protestants
looked at Roman Catholics
00:42:16.16\00:42:18.07
with tremendous suspicion.
00:42:18.10\00:42:20.97
Ellen White prophetically said,
00:42:21.00\00:42:23.84
this is going to change.
00:42:23.87\00:42:28.11
It's like she's writing now,
00:42:28.14\00:42:31.68
what she wrote back then.
00:42:31.71\00:42:33.78
I'm gonna take the time
00:42:33.82\00:42:36.25
to read several
statements of Ellen White
00:42:36.28\00:42:39.29
from the Book Great Controversy.
00:42:39.32\00:42:42.19
And one of them will be
from the Book Maranatha.
00:42:42.22\00:42:44.79
"Protestants have tampered with
00:42:49.40\00:42:52.47
and patronized popery.
00:42:52.50\00:42:55.84
They have made
compromises and concessions
00:42:55.87\00:42:59.77
which papists
themselves are surprised to see
00:42:59.81\00:43:03.65
and fail to understand."
00:43:03.68\00:43:06.25
The papacy says, this
is too good to be true.
00:43:06.28\00:43:09.32
Here they're making these
compromises and concessions,
00:43:09.35\00:43:12.19
we can't understand it,
00:43:12.22\00:43:13.56
the very Catholics
can't understand this.
00:43:13.59\00:43:16.12
She continued, "Men
are closing their eyes
00:43:16.16\00:43:20.50
to the real
character of Romanism
00:43:20.53\00:43:23.43
and the dangers to be
apprehended from her supremacy.
00:43:23.47\00:43:27.27
The people need to
be aroused," notice,
00:43:27.30\00:43:30.81
people need to know about this,
00:43:30.84\00:43:32.47
"the people need to be
aroused to resist the advances
00:43:32.51\00:43:36.51
of this most
dangerous foe to civil
00:43:36.54\00:43:39.95
and religious liberty."
00:43:39.98\00:43:43.62
She wrote in Great
Controversy, page 445,
00:43:43.65\00:43:48.02
"When the leading
churches of the United States,
00:43:48.06\00:43:51.29
uniting upon such
points of doctrine
00:43:51.33\00:43:55.93
as are held by
them in common..."
00:43:55.96\00:43:58.73
Did we notice some of
the Protestant leaders
00:43:58.77\00:44:01.04
in recent time saying that?
00:44:01.07\00:44:03.27
Yes.
00:44:03.30\00:44:04.87
"When the leading
churches of the United States,
00:44:04.91\00:44:06.78
uniting upon such
points of doctrines
00:44:06.81\00:44:09.04
as are held by them in common,
00:44:09.08\00:44:11.11
shall influence the
state to enforce their decrees
00:44:11.15\00:44:14.72
and to sustain
their institutions,
00:44:14.75\00:44:17.39
then Protestant America
will have formed an image
00:44:17.42\00:44:21.02
of the Roman
hierarchy, and the infliction
00:44:21.06\00:44:23.93
of civil penalties
00:44:23.96\00:44:25.29
upon dissenters
will inevitably result."
00:44:25.33\00:44:30.77
In Great Controversy, page 444,
00:44:30.80\00:44:33.47
the page right before
the one that I just read.
00:44:33.50\00:44:36.00
She states, "The
wide diversity of belief
00:44:36.04\00:44:39.37
in the Protestant churches
00:44:39.41\00:44:41.14
is regarded by
many as decisive proof
00:44:41.18\00:44:44.41
that no effort to
secure a forced uniformity
00:44:44.45\00:44:48.28
can ever be made.
00:44:48.32\00:44:50.15
But there has been for years,
00:44:50.19\00:44:52.75
in churches of a
Protestant faith,
00:44:52.79\00:44:55.19
a strong and growing sentiment
00:44:55.22\00:44:58.19
in favor of a union
based upon common points
00:44:58.23\00:45:02.86
of doctrine.
00:45:02.90\00:45:04.47
To secure such a
union," listen carefully,
00:45:04.50\00:45:07.37
"to secure such a union,
the discussion of subjects
00:45:07.40\00:45:11.57
upon which all were not agreed,
00:45:11.61\00:45:14.48
however important they might be,
00:45:14.51\00:45:17.25
from a Bible standpoint,
00:45:17.28\00:45:19.05
must necessarily be waived."
00:45:19.08\00:45:23.35
In other words, set aside.
00:45:23.39\00:45:25.42
It's amazing that she
would write this in 1888,
00:45:25.45\00:45:30.73
and what we read
00:45:30.76\00:45:32.09
from the great
Protestant leaders,
00:45:32.13\00:45:34.00
is very similar in recent times.
00:45:34.03\00:45:37.40
The reason why is
because the Great Controversy
00:45:37.43\00:45:40.27
is an inspired book,
it's a prophetic book.
00:45:40.30\00:45:44.14
God revealed this to Ellen White
00:45:44.17\00:45:45.97
in vision and in dreams,
00:45:46.01\00:45:49.01
and what she
said is transpiring.
00:45:49.04\00:45:51.18
If you read the
book Great Controversy,
00:45:51.21\00:45:53.38
which by the way,
Ellen White said that
00:45:53.42\00:45:54.82
she would want that
book more than any other book
00:45:54.85\00:45:57.19
that she wrote to go
to the general public.
00:45:57.22\00:45:59.95
If you read that book,
it's like reading in many ways
00:45:59.99\00:46:03.69
the newspaper today,
00:46:03.73\00:46:07.53
because what she predicted
00:46:07.56\00:46:09.00
is being fulfilled
to the very letter.
00:46:09.03\00:46:12.17
In Great
Controversy, pages 565 and 566,
00:46:12.20\00:46:16.77
she wrote,
00:46:16.81\00:46:18.71
"Protestant churches
are in great darkness,
00:46:18.74\00:46:22.38
or they would discern
the signs of the times."
00:46:22.41\00:46:26.75
Why are they in darkness?
00:46:26.78\00:46:28.82
For two reasons.
00:46:28.85\00:46:30.42
Number one, they were never
00:46:30.45\00:46:32.49
able to get rid of every vestige
00:46:32.52\00:46:36.06
of union with
the Catholic Church,
00:46:36.09\00:46:37.49
doctrinal union.
00:46:37.53\00:46:39.73
And secondly,
because they have forsaken
00:46:39.76\00:46:42.66
the historicist method
of interpreting prophecy,
00:46:42.70\00:46:45.57
which identifies the papacy
as the Antichrist of Scripture.
00:46:45.60\00:46:49.60
So she writes,
"The Protestant churches
00:46:49.64\00:46:51.27
are in great
darkness, or they would discern
00:46:51.31\00:46:53.71
the signs of the times.
00:46:53.74\00:46:55.44
The Roman Church is
far-reaching inner plans
00:46:55.48\00:46:58.81
and modes of operation.
00:46:58.85\00:47:00.85
She is employing every
device to extend her influence
00:47:00.88\00:47:05.85
and increase her power
in preparation for a fierce
00:47:05.89\00:47:10.43
and determined conflict to
regain control of the world,
00:47:10.46\00:47:16.06
to re-establish persecution,
00:47:16.10\00:47:18.97
and to undo all that
Protestantism has done."
00:47:19.00\00:47:24.04
Did you notice two words
that she uses in this statement?
00:47:24.07\00:47:28.11
To regain control of the world?
00:47:28.14\00:47:30.61
What would that mean?
What does the word regain mean?
00:47:30.65\00:47:34.38
It means to get back.
00:47:34.42\00:47:37.35
Did the papacy had
that power once before?
00:47:37.39\00:47:40.56
When? During the 1260 years.
00:47:40.59\00:47:44.53
She says, now,
the papacy is what?
00:47:44.56\00:47:47.06
The papacy is
struggling to regain
00:47:47.10\00:47:50.50
control of the
world to reestablish.
00:47:50.53\00:47:54.84
What does reestablish mean?
00:47:54.87\00:47:57.41
Same thing, to recover,
to reestablish persecution
00:47:57.44\00:48:02.61
and undo all that
Protestantism has done.
00:48:02.64\00:48:06.18
Is the papacy
being quite successful?
00:48:06.21\00:48:08.55
Would you say?
00:48:08.58\00:48:09.98
Very, very successful.
00:48:10.02\00:48:12.82
Here's another
statement by Ellen White.
00:48:12.85\00:48:15.69
This is in Great
Controversy, page 581.
00:48:15.72\00:48:19.06
"Rome is aiming to
reestablish her power,
00:48:19.09\00:48:24.23
to recover her lost supremacy.
00:48:24.27\00:48:28.24
Let the principle
once be established
00:48:28.27\00:48:30.91
in the United States
that the church may employ
00:48:30.94\00:48:34.58
or control the
power of the state,
00:48:34.61\00:48:37.38
that religious observances
00:48:37.41\00:48:38.88
may be enforced by secular laws,
00:48:38.91\00:48:42.32
in short, that the
authority of church
00:48:42.35\00:48:45.02
and state is to
dominate the conscience
00:48:45.05\00:48:48.22
and the triumph of Rome
00:48:48.26\00:48:50.13
in this country is assured."
00:48:50.16\00:48:54.66
I don't know if
you're aware of this.
00:48:54.70\00:48:57.53
But if it had not
been for the evangelicals,
00:48:57.57\00:49:00.74
Donald Trump would not be
President of the United States.
00:49:00.77\00:49:04.61
He catered to the
conservative Protestants,
00:49:04.64\00:49:08.08
83% of them
voted for Donald Trump.
00:49:08.11\00:49:11.91
And he made them
many interesting promises.
00:49:11.95\00:49:14.72
I don't know if he
gonna keep all those promises.
00:49:14.75\00:49:16.92
But one of those promises
00:49:16.95\00:49:18.29
was to get rid of
the Johnson Amendment,
00:49:18.32\00:49:22.39
which was approved by
Congress in the year 1954,
00:49:22.42\00:49:25.86
which forbids
nonprofit organizations
00:49:25.89\00:49:29.53
from taking sides
for one political party
00:49:29.56\00:49:33.10
or the other or one
political candidate,
00:49:33.13\00:49:35.50
and the other.
00:49:35.54\00:49:37.24
Secrets unsealed, is
an officially incorporated
00:49:37.27\00:49:40.28
nonprofit organization.
00:49:40.31\00:49:41.81
We have a 501C3 status.
00:49:41.84\00:49:45.38
We cannot take
sides on, you know,
00:49:45.41\00:49:48.82
for one political party
or the other political party,
00:49:48.85\00:49:51.89
one candidate or
the other candidate,
00:49:51.92\00:49:54.72
because we would lose
our tax exempt status,
00:49:54.76\00:49:58.59
according to the
Johnson Amendment.
00:49:58.63\00:50:01.60
One of the promises
that Donald Trump made was
00:50:01.63\00:50:04.03
to get rid of the
Johnson Amendment.
00:50:04.07\00:50:07.20
So that nonprofit organizations,
00:50:07.24\00:50:09.40
by the way, all churches
00:50:09.44\00:50:10.91
that are incorporated
are nonprofit organizations.
00:50:10.94\00:50:14.34
So, that they can take the
sides of political parties.
00:50:14.38\00:50:18.38
You know, what that would do?
00:50:18.41\00:50:19.75
That would entangle the church
00:50:19.78\00:50:21.22
with the state and
the state with the church.
00:50:21.25\00:50:23.62
Political candidates
would cater to the churches
00:50:23.65\00:50:25.89
to get votes.
00:50:25.92\00:50:27.26
And churches would
cater to the candidates
00:50:27.29\00:50:29.09
so the candidates
would give them money.
00:50:29.12\00:50:32.39
And what entangled both of them?
00:50:32.43\00:50:34.80
Now, Donald Trump has
not yet taken the step
00:50:34.83\00:50:37.50
of abolishing the
Johnson Amendment.
00:50:37.53\00:50:39.90
However, he has told the IRS
00:50:39.93\00:50:42.67
go soft on those
00:50:42.70\00:50:44.07
who support political candidates
00:50:44.11\00:50:46.11
don't prosecute,
00:50:46.14\00:50:47.68
which is basically
in practical terms,
00:50:47.71\00:50:49.74
the same thing as abolishing
this particular amendment.
00:50:49.78\00:50:54.38
I wanna read another
statement that we find
00:50:54.42\00:50:57.02
in the Book Maranatha, page 216.
00:50:57.05\00:51:01.52
"The people of the United States
00:51:01.56\00:51:04.39
have been a favored people."
00:51:04.43\00:51:07.00
Would you agree with that?
00:51:07.03\00:51:09.40
You know, when I
see the abundance
00:51:09.43\00:51:13.23
that the United States
has, it is simply amazing.
00:51:13.27\00:51:17.61
Abundance of everything,
and then you look like
00:51:17.64\00:51:21.04
in a country like Venezuela,
where my friend Vandre is from.
00:51:21.08\00:51:26.61
There are people
eating out of the garbage.
00:51:26.65\00:51:29.68
They can't find medicines,
people are dying of illnesses
00:51:29.72\00:51:32.62
because there's no medicines.
00:51:32.65\00:51:35.82
People have to
stand in line for all day,
00:51:35.86\00:51:39.46
just to get a bag of rice.
00:51:39.49\00:51:42.46
This country has been
so blessed by the Lord.
00:51:42.50\00:51:45.63
And Ellen White says,
00:51:45.67\00:51:47.00
"The people of the United States
00:51:47.04\00:51:48.37
have been a favored people,
00:51:48.40\00:51:50.11
but when they
restrict religious liberty,
00:51:50.14\00:51:54.44
surrender Protestantism,
00:51:54.48\00:51:57.18
and give countenance to popery,
00:51:57.21\00:52:00.38
the measure of
their guilt will be full,
00:52:00.42\00:52:03.72
and 'national
apostasy' will be registered
00:52:03.75\00:52:06.82
in the books of heaven.
00:52:06.86\00:52:08.59
The result of this apostasy
00:52:08.62\00:52:10.59
will be national ruin."
00:52:10.63\00:52:14.66
In fact, Ellen White
wrote in Great Controversy,
00:52:14.70\00:52:17.03
what the secret of the power
00:52:17.07\00:52:19.23
and prosperity of
the United States is.
00:52:19.27\00:52:23.20
She said, "The
secret of the power
00:52:23.24\00:52:24.97
and prosperity
of the United States
00:52:25.01\00:52:26.57
is not that it has more money,
00:52:26.61\00:52:28.31
that it has more territory,
00:52:28.34\00:52:29.91
that has a more
powerful military,
00:52:29.94\00:52:31.98
that people are
more intelligent."
00:52:32.01\00:52:33.98
she says, "The
secret of its power
00:52:34.02\00:52:35.65
and prosperity
are the two principles
00:52:35.68\00:52:38.15
upon which the
United States was built,
00:52:38.19\00:52:41.12
republicanism and Protestantism,
00:52:41.16\00:52:43.43
separation of church and state,
00:52:43.46\00:52:45.76
which has been
the Protestant view
00:52:45.79\00:52:47.46
since the Reformation.
00:52:47.50\00:52:48.86
The Roman
Catholic papacy says, "No,
00:52:48.90\00:52:51.33
not a separation
of church and state,
00:52:51.37\00:52:53.90
the union of church and state."
00:52:53.94\00:52:56.57
And eventually the United States
00:52:56.60\00:52:58.34
will buy into this
and national apostasy
00:52:58.37\00:53:01.68
will be written in
the books of heaven,
00:53:01.71\00:53:03.75
and it will be
followed by national ruin.
00:53:03.78\00:53:06.85
I wanna read one
closing statement
00:53:06.88\00:53:08.72
before we end.
00:53:08.75\00:53:10.69
This is in the Book
Maranatha, page 179,
00:53:10.72\00:53:14.66
it's a sad statement.
00:53:14.69\00:53:17.43
"When the land
which the Lord provided
00:53:17.46\00:53:19.69
as an asylum for His people,
that they might worship Him
00:53:19.73\00:53:23.67
according to the dictates
of their own consciences,
00:53:23.70\00:53:26.70
the land over
which for long years
00:53:26.74\00:53:28.90
the shield of
Omnipotence has been spread,
00:53:28.94\00:53:32.11
the land which God
has favored by making it
00:53:32.14\00:53:34.31
the depository of the
pure religion of Christ,
00:53:34.34\00:53:37.91
when that land,
through its legislators,
00:53:37.95\00:53:42.12
abjure, that means abandon
00:53:42.15\00:53:44.12
the principles of Protestantism,
00:53:44.15\00:53:46.65
and give
countenance to Romish apostasy
00:53:46.69\00:53:50.13
in tampering with God's law.
00:53:50.16\00:53:52.66
It is then that the
final work of the man of sin
00:53:52.69\00:53:56.23
will be revealed.
00:53:56.26\00:53:58.20
Protestants will throw
00:53:58.23\00:54:00.74
their whole
influence and strength
00:54:00.77\00:54:03.44
on the side of the
papacy, by a national act..."
00:54:03.47\00:54:07.74
What is a national act?
00:54:07.78\00:54:09.31
It's an act of Congress, folks.
00:54:09.34\00:54:11.05
"By a national act,
enforcing the false Sabbath,"
00:54:11.08\00:54:15.65
because Protestants
would never able to get
00:54:15.68\00:54:17.65
rid of the false Sabbath.
00:54:17.69\00:54:20.16
She says, "By a national act
enforcing the false Sabbath,"
00:54:20.19\00:54:24.79
notice the terminology now,
00:54:24.83\00:54:26.63
"they will give life and vigor."
00:54:26.66\00:54:30.40
Why would the
papacy need life and vigor?
00:54:30.43\00:54:33.74
What does it have?
00:54:33.77\00:54:35.70
A deadly wound, that's right.
00:54:35.74\00:54:38.17
"They will give life
and vigor to the corrupt
00:54:38.21\00:54:40.84
faith of Rome, reviving..."
00:54:40.88\00:54:43.71
What does it mean to revive?
00:54:43.75\00:54:47.62
Can you revive that
00:54:47.65\00:54:48.98
and would
receive a deadly wound?
00:54:49.02\00:54:50.35
No.
00:54:50.39\00:54:51.72
"Reviving her tyranny
and oppression of conscience.
00:54:51.75\00:54:55.46
Then it will be time for
God to work in mighty power
00:54:55.49\00:55:00.10
for the
vindication of His truth."
00:55:00.13\00:55:03.53
What do you think?
00:55:03.57\00:55:07.00
Are we living
in prophetic times?
00:55:07.04\00:55:09.97
How do we know that?
00:55:10.01\00:55:12.21
Because we have a certain method
00:55:12.24\00:55:13.94
of interpreting prophecy.
00:55:13.98\00:55:16.91
We know what's happening,
because prophecy tells us
00:55:16.95\00:55:20.48
that the papacy is
gonna receive power again.
00:55:20.52\00:55:23.95
And it's the beast
that rises from the earth
00:55:23.99\00:55:25.62
with the two horns like a lamb
00:55:25.65\00:55:26.99
that is gonna
give the power back.
00:55:27.02\00:55:29.82
And then the United
States will make an image
00:55:29.86\00:55:31.56
of the first beast,
it's gonna join church
00:55:31.59\00:55:33.13
and state like the first beast,
that's the image of the beast.
00:55:33.16\00:55:35.80
It will reflect
what the papacy was.
00:55:35.83\00:55:38.47
And then the papacy will
be able to persecute again,
00:55:38.50\00:55:40.94
because we can see
00:55:40.97\00:55:42.30
the trajectory
of prophecy, folks,
00:55:42.34\00:55:45.21
and because the Adventist Church
00:55:45.24\00:55:47.14
has totally separated its
doctrines from the papacy,
00:55:47.18\00:55:51.91
including the state of the
dead and the day of worship.
00:55:51.95\00:55:55.75
Protestantism on the other hand
00:55:55.78\00:55:57.62
has kept a lock of the
hair of her mother, so to speak.
00:55:57.65\00:56:03.22
And has accepted the shift
in prophetic interpretation,
00:56:03.26\00:56:07.36
and therefore Protestantism
is totally powerless today
00:56:07.40\00:56:11.90
when it speaks
about Bible prophecy.
00:56:11.93\00:56:15.37
In our next study together,
00:56:15.40\00:56:18.41
the title will be
00:56:18.44\00:56:20.28
Historicism's Last Stand.
00:56:20.31\00:56:24.55
We are going to take
a look at the fact that
00:56:24.58\00:56:28.92
there is only one
church in the world
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that has the correct
method of interpreting prophecy.
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And that is the
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
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It is the method of historicism
or what I like to call
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the historical flow method
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that follows the
sequence of Bible prophecy,
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the chain of prophecy
that has certain links.
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Babylon, Medo-Persia,
Greece, the pagan Roman Empire,
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Rome divided into 10,
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than the papacy
ruling 1260 years,
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receiving a deadly wound.
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At that same time,
the second beast rises,
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it guarantees civil
and religious liberty,
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the two horns, but then it helps
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the first beast
recover its power,
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and the result is
the restriction of civil
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and religious liberty,
and the time of trouble
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such as never has been seen.
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Is that a correct way
of interpreting prophecy?
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It's the method, folks.
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The Adventist Church is
historicism's last stand,
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and the devil knows it.
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And that's the reason
why Satan to a great degree
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has distracted our
church from the message
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that we should be proclaiming,
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we're all caught
up inside issues.
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We're preaching the
sermons of evangelicals.
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We're preaching
sermons on the parables,
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nothing wrong with the parables,
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they're okay.
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But we're preaching
sermons that could be preached
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in any evangelical church,
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when we should be proclaiming
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the Three Angels' Messages
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and the Prophetic Message
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that God has
given to our church.
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May that be our
experiences is my prayer.
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