The following program
discusses sensitive issues.
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Parents are
cautioned that some material
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may be too candid for children.
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Today, we'll meet a man
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who grew up feeling like
the black sheep of his family,
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but now is a
sheep in God's fold.
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Tune in today,
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for an exciting
program of The New Journey.
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Welcome back to
"The New Journey."
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Today, we have
with us Mr. Darin Logan
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Thank you, Mr. Logan,
for being on the program.
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Yeah.
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Just briefly, Mr. Logan,
tell us where you are from,
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and a little bit of
your family background?
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Well, I'm from
Knoxville, Tennessee.
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I grow up in Knoxville.
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My father, mother,
they were in a home
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and I had five
brothers and sisters.
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Okay, now growing up you
felt kind a like "Outcast"
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or a "Black sheep".
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Why do you think
you had those feelings?
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Well, because my brother seems
to get most of the attention
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I guess and also I
would make bad grades.
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Okay.
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He would make the good grades.
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He would always
do the right things,
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I would do the wrong
things most of the time.
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And I just felt just
like an outcast, you know?
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It's like I just
can never do the right.
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I never could
do what I had to do
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to please my father and mother.
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Okay, okay.
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Now, ninth grade is
when you kind of started
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drinking and smoking
marijuana and things like that.
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What do you think
led to getting involved
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in the drinking and
the drugs at that point?
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I think more of direction.
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Okay.
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I had a good father and mother
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but I think the more
the crowd I hung with,
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the direction
that I was going...
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We went to church very little.
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And that's
basically it, basically it.
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What was your
religious background growing up?
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Baptist.
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Baptist. Okay.
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And what impact...
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your mother and your
father eventually divorced?
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What impact did
that have on your life?
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And do you think
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on the choices that you
made in life at a young age?
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I would say that it
didn't have any impact,
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but probably deep
inside it did though.
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But I really don't
think it had an impact
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'cause my father
was always there.
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Okay. Whether they were...
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Whether they
were divorced or not
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my father always
would come around,
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he would take us out.
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I had a really good
daddy, really good father.
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Praise the
Lord. Praise the Lord.
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Now, at what age were
you first incarcerated
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and talk a little
bit about that experience
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in your first time incarcerated?
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Okay.
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Well, when I
first got put in jail.
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I got caught shooting the gun.
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And the police was right there
so I shot a street light out.
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When I went to the
jail for the first time,
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I wasn't afraid at that time,
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but as I've seen what
was going on in there,
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you know, the
people and I was in there
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with a couple of guys you know,
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I didn't know the
people and I was afraid
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just very little, but my
mother got me out pretty quick,
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so I didn't stay there too long.
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And how old were
you at this point?
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Eighteen. Okay, 18 years old.
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Now, the
marijuana and alcohol use
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eventually moved to
using crack and cocaine.
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How did that come about?
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Well, all my
friends was doing it.
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They were smoking marijuana.
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And all my friends was doing it
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and I just slowly
transitioned into cocaine.
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Okay.
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It seems that it just got worst,
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it just progressed.
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I knew that's a
gateway drug. Yeah.
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I didn't know the law then,
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so I didn't. Okay.
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It just progressed, it got worse
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and I just even
went on to worse drugs.
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Okay, now talk about
the money that was wasted
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because of course
cocaine, marijuana, crack,
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alcohol, none of it's free.
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Oh, yeah.
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None of it's free,
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and talk about the
large amounts of money
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that has been
wasted throughout your life
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on these drugs.
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I'd say I could
have bought a house.
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At least, maybe two houses.
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Wow.
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And I have spent,
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like one time I spent like
a 1000 dollars in two days.
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I would steal,
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I would go to
the stores and steal,
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I would do a lot of things.
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I would snatch pocket books.
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I have done it, a lot
of things I have done it,
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I really feel bad about it.
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But I'm glad the Lord
took me through that though
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so He can bring me close to Him.
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To me I think that's,
as I look back on my life,
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that was a
better testimony for me.
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And, and I spent man,
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like I said, I spent
1000 in just two days, man.
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And the gas money wasted.
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Oh, yeah.
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And I understand,
you know, from my own
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previous
experiences before I came back
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into the
Seventh-day Adventist church.
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I've spent lots
of money on drugs
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and you think
back and you are like,
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"Man, I could
have bought a house."
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You know, I could have
bought something fancy.
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But it was so much money
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that was wasted on these things.
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Oh, yeah.
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But talk about how
strong those addictions can be.
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You know, some people, I
guess, on outside looking in,
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they may say,
"Well, how could you,
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you know, spend so
much money on that?"
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You know, you have a family,
you have this to take care of.
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How could you do that?
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Talk about how strong
those addictions sometimes are?
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At that point I didn't
know the Lord then so...
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Okay.
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At that point I didn't know
why I will scream out to myself
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and I'd say,
"What is wrong with me?"
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I can't believe that I'm
doing my family this way,
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I can't believe that I've
spent the rent money again.
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I can't believe that I've spent
the car payment money again.
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I just can't believe it.
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And those
things, man, it just...
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the craving was
just overwhelming.
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That demonic power would just...
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it's just overwhelming,
craving, it's unreal.
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Okay, it is, very much so.
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And I didn't understand
what was happening to me
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Okay.
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Now you informed me about
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a roller coaster
lifestyle, basically.
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Right.
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You'd have
highs, you'd have lows,
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now through out
these highs and lows.
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Why do you think it was
so difficult for you to shake
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those negative
habits and give it up?
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Because, you know,
it's a up and down.
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You know, one day it's
good, next day it's bad,
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one day it's
good, next day it's bad.
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Why do you think
it was so difficult?
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Well, at that time, I thought
that I can kick it on my own.
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I thought I could
stop it by myself.
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I went to rehab, back
to rehab, back to rehab,
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you know, and I thought
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I could just kick
those things on my own.
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Like I said, I
didn't know Christ then,
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but He knew me.
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Okay, okay. Praise the Lord.
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So I really don't...
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Like when I was saying it
was a roller coaster ride,
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that's just what it was,
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but it was more
of a downhill ride...
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Okay. Than a uphill ride.
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So roller coaster
was going straight down.
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Yes, sir.
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Especially when the
crack cocaine started.
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When I started doing crack,
it was just a downward spiral
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that I just couldn't stop.
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Okay.
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And some people can
agree with what I'm saying.
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Oh, yeah. Some people can't.
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They still went like,
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"Why did you do
your family that way?
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Why did you keep
spending the money?
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Why did you that?
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It was just overwhelming.
It was so strong on me.
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It is, it is.
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Now the first
time you were married,
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drugs, well played a part
in destroying that marriage.
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Talk about that whole situation?
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Well, I was
married to a young lady,
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but when I went...
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when we moved to Atlanta,
everything was going well.
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Okay.
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When I started,
when I went back,
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when I moved back to Knoxville,
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I started just
being with my cousins.
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they were selling drugs.
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Hanging out, they were
married, I mean, I was married,
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they weren't.
They weren't married.
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And I would stay out late,
knowing I had a family at home.
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I would even steal money
out of my son's piggybank.
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Wow.
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I would just do
all these things.
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I would leave my
children sometimes
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at night by themselves
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to go out and get drugs.
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How old were the
children at this point?
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Oh, two.
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My son Bryson he was two,
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my daughter
Oprah, she was just born.
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Wow, wow. Yeah.
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And you would leave them alone?
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Yes, sometimes I would.
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And that very much testifies
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to how strong of a pull
these drugs can have on you.
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You know, because when
we are in our right minds,
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we never think to leave a
two-year-old by themselves.
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Oh, yes.
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Or, you know, a
new born by themselves.
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Anything could happen. Right.
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But that just goes to show
how strong the addiction can be
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and how it can drive
every aspect of your life.
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Now you mentioned a second ago
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that you had been in
rehab repeatedly and repeatedly.
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Right.
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Talk about those
experiences in rehab?
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Well, when I went to
rehab, I usually would...
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When I go...
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at the first
time I went to rehab,
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I didn't do it for myself.
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I did it for my job.
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To save my job, I had a
job working in a bus company
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and I would have to drive
the buses every now and then
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and I went to rehab
just to save my job.
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I went to just to
get fed sometimes,
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sometimes I went
for my family members
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'cause they kept
telling me to go.
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I never really
would go for myself.
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At first I couldn't
see my drug problem.
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I suppose I went
to rehab and I didn't.
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I told people,
"Okay, I'm going to rehab,"
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but I end up
getting high that day.
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When I got back to work,
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I end up running somebody over.
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Wow.
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And I ended up
crushing their legs.
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And all the hard night.
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You know, they also
had to have a surgery.
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And all those
things I don't want to get
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too graphic into it.
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Okay, okay.
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Now why is it
that you didn't think
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that you had drug problem?
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For those who are on
the outside looking in
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they say, "Well, you have
a very serious drug problem."
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But why is that you yourself
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didn't think you
had a drug problem?
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I think because that
the enemy had blinded me.
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Okay.
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The enemy,
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he is something
else, I'm telling you.
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Oh, yeah, oh, yeah.
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I think he had blinded
me to where he will say,
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"Oh, it's okay."
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You know, it's a
certain part in the Bible
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in Proverbs where it says,
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"You hit me, but
I didn't feel it."
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You know what I'm saying?
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So you know, it's a,
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he knock me down, he beat me up.
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I got the scars on my face.
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I still have my nose
that's broken right here now.
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And so, I have all
those physical things wrong
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but guess what?
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I couldn't see it. Okay.
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You know, I'm like
"I'm okay, I'm okay.
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I'll be all right.
I'll get another job.
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I'll get another car too."
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I'll get another
family or I don't need her.
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You know, just the way it was.
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Okay.
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Now you informed me in
sharing your testimony with me
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that you wanted God at
one point in your life,
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you wanted God.
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You had the tools, you
know, to come closer to God.
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Right.
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But you never
applied those tools.
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Right. Why not?
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I guess it's just like...
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when I was in rehab they say,
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well, you have
the tools to do it,
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you got the AA meetings,
the good book, the AA book,
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you have all these
things, but if you don't apply.
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It's not gonna work.
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So I had the Lord in my
life, I went to prayer meeting.
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I had a Bible and my wife
and I prayed all the time.
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We had a lot of things going on,
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I was deacon in
the church. Okay.
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But I still didn't
apply what I've read,
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what I've studied, to my life.
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I would tell other
people what they needed here.
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I would give a
good sermon. Okay.
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You know, I could
preach a good word.
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But when it comes to
me applying it to my life,
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I didn't do it.
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Okay, so, you know, it
does make a big difference
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when you are
just going to church,
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going to prayer
meeting and all these things.
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But you're not actually
internalizing these things.
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Right.
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And do you find that it's
the same way for others that,
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you know, they're
just going to church.
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They're going to prayer meeting.
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They're doing things
because maybe somebody else
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wanted them to or
they went to rehab
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because somebody else went too.
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But until they start
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to apply those
principles to their lives,
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there won't be a difference.
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What do you think about that?
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That's exactly right.
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I totally agree with that
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because we can all
look good on the outside.
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Yeah, exactly, it's
easy to polish yourself
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and you know dresses right
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and things like that,
but internally be messed up.
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Right.
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That's why I love the word
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'cause it's so
real 'cause it says,
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"You take on the
form of godliness.
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Yeah, but denying
the power thereof.
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That's right.
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Oh yeah, definitely, definitely.
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I agree with that.
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And that's a real thing to...
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I think that we all not
just to myself and other people
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but everyone needs
to do the same thing,
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is to apply these
scriptures to our life.
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Because if we don't
it's not gonna work.
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Indeed, indeed.
We can look good.
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Yes. But it won't work.
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Oh, yeah, oh, yeah.
You're right about that.
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Now many people
have the notion that,
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you know, I'll
use drugs or whatever.
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And that they
can stop at anytime.
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Did you ever say to yourself,
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"Well, you know,
I can put it down
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any time I want"
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What was that like in your life?
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Yeah, I really
thought I could...
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When you said that,
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I really thought I
could stop on my own.
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I used to say,
"I don't need rehab,
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I don't need anything.
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I can do this by myself."
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I would say that
all the time. Okay.
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Especially when
I didn't know God,
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when I didn't know Christ.
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My life was a mess.
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It was really a mess.
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And I really thought I
can do these things on my own,
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so when I finally went to rehab,
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I said, "Well, I got it now."
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I went to rehab, I
went to 30-day program.
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I'm in there. Okay.
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You know, but I
didn't ever apply anything.
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I didn't go back to no meetings,
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I didn't read the
book, I didn't do anything.
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Yeah, just showing up.
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Right, I can show up.
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Okay.
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On time.
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Oh, yeah.
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What have you seen
in other people's lives
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that has caused them
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to continue to
repeat the same things?
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They've gone to the AAA meetings
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to twelve-step program.
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They've gone to
all these things,
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but yet still
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they seem to repeat the
same things over and over.
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What do you think is missing?
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Well, for me I know that
God was missing out of it.
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Okay.
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I needed the Lord,
I know I needed God.
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Okay.
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But until I got
him in my life is
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when my whole
life starts changing.
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Okay. Until I
screamed out one day.
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I got on my knees and I
still remember to this day,
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I said "God, please Lord, I
need You, I need Your help."
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Yeah. "Please
tell me what to do?"
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And I didn't even
know Him, but He knew me,
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so He had put it on my
heart and my mind to go here
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and to just try something new.
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Okay.
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You know, so that's when I
went to rehab one more time,
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and then He led me to Nashville,
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and I got a whole story on that.
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But I don't want to
waste your time with it.
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Oh, you all right.
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Now what were some of the
drugs that you were involved in.
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We mentioned marijuana, alcohol,
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the crack and the cocaine.
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What were some
of the other things
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that you have used
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and also what are
some of the effects
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that you have
seen them on your mind,
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on your body,
things along those lines?
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Well, as far as...
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That was basically it. Okay.
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The cocaine,
alcohol, and the crack.
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Cocaine and crack
is totally different.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah definitely.
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That's when you really
stepped it to the big league.
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The reason I say that is
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because the damage and
effect it have on your family,
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your job, your body, my body...
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sometimes I can't believe
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I hadn't had a
heart attack right now
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because of all
the drugs I've done.
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And I say guess what, Lord
if you want to let me have one
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that's fine because that's
the consequence of my action.
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Yeah, okay.
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And I don't, I don't...
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Whatever his consequences
are, I am not gonna,
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I am not gonna
step in the way of it.
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I don't care what it is because,
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I am trying to
live for Him now...
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Definitely. I am
not living for me.
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So it caused so much
damage and affected my body,
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being out there on the street,
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I've gotten hit
over the head with guns,
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I've slept upon the
bridges, I've have done it all.
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I've robbed people, I've got
robbed, like I said, my nose...
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I got my nose broken.
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Still I hadn't got
it fixed yet so... Okay.
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It can cause a
toll on your body.
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You're right about that.
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Now you mentioned,
the difference between,
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there is a difference
between cocaine and crack.
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Now, I know what
the difference is,
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but for the viewers
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that don't know
what the difference is
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can you explain,
expound a little bit upon that?
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Where cocaine is just
basically the powder form
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you know, this snorting
up in the nose and so forth,
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the rock cocaine,
the crack cocaine is
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when you cook it
up in a rock form...
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Okay.
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And that's one is
the purest... Okay.
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So and that right
there where you smoke it.
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And that could
cause brain damage,
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you know some people they,
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that's like even when
you do the drug it self,
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people slur the mouth.
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turning all
these slobber sometimes
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or, you know they...
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but sometimes, that right there
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could damage them permanently.
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'Cause what it is, it causes
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a temporary stroke in the brain,
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and also they said they kind of
bores holes in a person's brain
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and stuff like that,
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so that's lot of
stuff I learned in rehab.
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I have learned a lot
on rehab. Okay, okay.
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Now you have
done both of the drugs
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the powder form
and the rock form,
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the high effect,
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what's the
difference in the high effect?
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Well, the powder form
is just, just had me hyper
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running back and
forth, I can talk good,
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I can act good,
people would never notice,
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They said, man,
that guy is just hyper,
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he's just
running back and forth...
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And I can testify, I
used to snort cocaine also.
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I hear you...
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But I would just, I'm
running back and forth,
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I could maintain a job,
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I still kept a
little money in my pocket.
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Okay.
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But the crack
cocaine when you do that,
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that's you
can't, I can't talk...
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It's like a different world...
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I don't want to
be around any one.
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I want to be in recluse,
I am, you know, just crazy.
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You don't care about
anything or anybody except that.
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Yeah, okay.
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Now you eventually got a
divorce from your first wife,
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and then you married the
wife that you have now, Lisa.
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Talk about the experience,
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how you met but then
also the incident that happen,
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that eventually got
you incarcerated again?
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Well, when I first met Lisa,
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I started going to a
Seventh-day Adventist Church,
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at south
Nashville, in Nashville.
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And, I didn't know
anything about Sabbath,
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so until I started
keeping the Sabbath
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and every thing
started working out good,
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you know my whole
mindset start changing.
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I am talking about, everything
start changing my life,
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once I started
keeping the Sabbath,
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So when it started changing,
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I knew, this is
what I need to do,
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so as I am not steady,
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I was still struggling
with the drugs and alcohol,
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let me remind you.
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So we have been
together like seven years,
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at best six years
we have been together,
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and she was dealing
with alfa known drugs,
00:19:04.91\00:19:07.24
keeping the car out,
spending off the money,
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can't keep her
job, all these things.
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So it was one
day, what happened,
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what the incident was, was that,
00:19:17.42\00:19:19.79
her and I, she had
went to work one day.
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And I came home
with a girl in a car,
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and our daughter Lea, she
has seen the girl in a car.
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So then, late on
that night I left,
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late on that
night, I came back home,
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and I was by my self.
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So when I knocked on the
door, I said Lisa can I come in?
00:19:36.81\00:19:39.97
She said, no you can't come in.
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I said why not, she said,
just go back to where you came.
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Like this, so I go
back and go get in the car,
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and she comes outside
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and she sprayed
pepper spray in my eyes.
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And I had the door open
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as I am trying to
hurry up and leave,
00:19:51.29\00:19:53.05
you know she tells her
daughter Lea to call the police.
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So she calls the police
and so I am trying to hurry up
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and start the car back up,
she telling me not to leave,
00:19:59.16\00:20:01.46
while she still spraying
pepper spray in my eyes.
00:20:01.50\00:20:04.70
So as I am backing up,
00:20:04.73\00:20:06.07
I ended up
running over her and Lea,
00:20:06.10\00:20:08.20
both of them just drag
them pulling out in a street,
00:20:08.24\00:20:11.51
I didn't know I did
that, you know because I would,
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you know like as I'm
on drugs and alcohol,
00:20:13.64\00:20:15.71
and she sprayed
pepper spray in my eye.
00:20:15.74\00:20:18.81
And so police,
they got behind me,
00:20:18.85\00:20:21.82
they start following me,
00:20:21.85\00:20:23.62
and when I pull
back up to the house,
00:20:23.65\00:20:25.52
they follow me so I
just went back to the house.
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Not in my right mind,
remind you, I'm on drugs...
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Oh, yeah, I understand fully.
00:20:31.56\00:20:33.60
So I ride back up the house
00:20:33.63\00:20:35.76
and when I pull up. I
see them lying in a street.
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And I when I get
up and I look up,
00:20:38.27\00:20:39.60
I'm trying to straight my eyes,
the police hollering at me,
00:20:39.63\00:20:42.20
and the sirens going
00:20:42.24\00:20:43.74
and they're
telling me to get down,
00:20:43.77\00:20:45.57
get down on the ground.
00:20:45.61\00:20:46.94
So I just turned at them
and started screaming at them,
00:20:46.98\00:20:48.58
walking towards
them and they chased me.
00:20:48.61\00:20:50.78
And I fall to the
ground and burst my head
00:20:50.81\00:20:54.22
and I really
looked at Lea and Lisa
00:20:54.25\00:20:57.72
they have scrapes
all over their body.
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You know and...
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Now you ran
them completely over?
00:21:01.36\00:21:02.96
I'm really not even sure. Okay.
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but they said I did,
they said I ran over once
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and backed up over her,
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if I did that, I
can hardly remember.
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Yeah, you know,
that's interesting
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that you would say
that you can't remember,
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because I've had people
tell me when I was on drugs
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and drinking,
and things like that,
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that I did
certain things to them
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or said certain things
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and I have no
recollection of it.
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You know, it's kind of
like, it's a period where
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I just blacked out
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and I don't, didn't
realize, I said that,
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and people have
held grudges against me,
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because of things I have done,
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and I honestly,
I don't remember.
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I apologies if I
did, I don't remember.
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That's really a testament
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of what drugs
would do to your mind.
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It really will
mesh your mind up.
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That's also- becoming now,
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but also one of
my family members,
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I think they still
hold grudge against me now,
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because they said
when I was doing the drugs
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I had did some things,
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say it something to them
or test them in certain way
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that they felt uncomfortable,
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and so even today,
I've wrote them a letter,
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I've said, I was sorry,
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but they still kind
of hold on to that, so...
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It does happen sometimes.
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Now, after the incident
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with running over
your wife and daughter,
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you were incarcerated
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and you were
incarcerated for five months
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and you ended up
screaming out to God for help,
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talk about whole experience?
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After that happen, you
know, the Bible where it says,
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"And then he came to
himself" the Prodigal Son...
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Yeah, the Prodigal Son, yeah.
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So when I came to
myself, I was locked up
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and I was like,
really how did I get here
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you know, and I physically
had to look down at my feet,
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and I look down
like what is going on
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and look down at my feet,
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I'm like, man,
I'm back in jail again
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for the tenth time.
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So I was, I just
couldn't believe it
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so I would cry almost
every night for about a week,
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I cried and I say, Lord,
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please I can't
believe this is happening,
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you know I'm thinking
about my wife and daughter,
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I can't believe that I will
never be back with them again,
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you know, so about a week later,
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I mean, I had to
get on antidepressants,
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I had to get
stuff to make me sleep,
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so I ended up getting
up to my knees one night,
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I said, Lord, I
say, Lord I promise You,
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I made promises and vows
to God that I never made,
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I told the Lord
that I promise him
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that I will never
latter about money,
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I will never
watch porn over again,
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I will never do drugs
and alcohol again never,
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those are full promises
that I will never do again
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and I haven't broke them.
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Okay, praise the
Lord, Praise God.
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Praise God.
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Now talks about, you were
charged with attempted murder,
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two counts of it,
talk about that situation
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as well as, what
it got reduced to?
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Okay, they charged me with that
after I ran Lisa and Lea over.
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We're talking about
two counts of attempted,
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attempt to murder.
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And what happen was,
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when I had went to jail
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when I ask them my
charges I couldn't believe it,
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when they told me
that was my charge,
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I was like, it
stunned me so much
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that I actually, I
literally, you like that,
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So then a couple of days later,
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I got my motion of discovery,
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and when I got there,
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it said two accounts
of aggravated assault,
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what it is, first they charged
me with just two counts of
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aggravated domestic assault
and fleeing with the vehicle.
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They charged me
with those three,
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but then, when I
finally seen the judge
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they had added like
seven other charges on there.
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So I just prayed and
they also added child abuse
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on my charges for Lea.
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Wow. Yeah, go ahead.
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Now after this situation,
you eventually got out,
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you did five
months on it, you got out,
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praise the Lord
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and you got involved
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in a 2nd Chance
ministry Halfway House.
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What was the
difference this time
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in the Halfway House
versus the other times
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you had been to
places similar to this?
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Well, this time it was,
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what it is we try not to
call that a Halfway House,
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that place is
run by Carl Marable.
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He is a very, he
is very, very, strong
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he has been through
some similar incidents also.
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And what it is we call that...
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He don't, we didn't
really called it rehab,
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but it's like a
halfway house, still a rehab.
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The thing about it
is the rehab center...
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What the difference
was the rehab was that
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they tell twelve-step AA and NA,
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but at this place, you
study and read the Bible,
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you had test on the Bible,
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you did Bible
studies every night,
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you go to church constantly,
00:25:57.59\00:25:59.15
you constantly input God in you,
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instead of AA and NA.
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Okay, okay, now after that,
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after being in there,
you changed your life,
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you are pretty much
done with every thing.
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What have you seen,
in about 30 seconds,
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what have you seen
has been the difference
00:26:14.50\00:26:16.40
now versus before?
00:26:16.44\00:26:18.94
In my life? Yes, sir.
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Is that my wife and I
is getting along better.
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She can trust me.
00:26:24.71\00:26:26.68
I can trust myself.
00:26:26.72\00:26:28.28
I can keep a job.
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That's about it. Okay.
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You know, and it
is a big difference
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when we give our life to Jesus.
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We start to see this change.
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And it's not just
one area of our lives.
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It's in all
aspects of our lives.
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Now I want you to
talk to the viewers,
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I want you to
look into the camera
00:26:46.00\00:26:47.34
and talk to the
viewers real briefly,
00:26:47.37\00:26:48.77
about what you
have seen in your life,
00:26:48.80\00:26:52.51
and what they need to do
00:26:52.54\00:26:54.01
to prevent from
going down that same road.
00:26:54.04\00:26:56.28
Okay.
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Well, if I was to
speak anyone out there,
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I would just say
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just try your best
to do the right thing.
00:27:02.68\00:27:05.32
Stop hanging
around the wrong crowd.
00:27:05.35\00:27:07.59
Don't hang
around the wrong crowd,
00:27:07.62\00:27:10.03
start reading your word more,
00:27:10.06\00:27:12.79
listen to your
parents, if they're still alive.
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That's just basically it.
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Praise the
Lord. Praise the Lord.
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And it makes a big difference
listening to the parents
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if they are in the
home, doing what's right,
00:27:23.10\00:27:26.07
you know, and it's so
hard in today's society.
00:27:26.11\00:27:29.08
But that's the
best encouragement,
00:27:29.11\00:27:31.41
best advice that you could give
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is for them to stay
rooted and grounded,
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and what they know is right.
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Thank you so much,
thank you so much, Mr. Logan,
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for being on the program.
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Sorry that we ran out of time
00:27:44.06\00:27:45.49
for your amazing
testimony but God is good.
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Viewers, we'd like to
thank you for tuning in
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