The following program
discusses sensitive issues.
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Parents are
cautioned that some material
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may be too candid
for younger children.
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In part 1 of the program
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we learned about a
young man named Annex
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that was involved
heavily in the gang life.
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Tune in for part
2 as we delve into
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what the next
chapter of his life is.
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You won't want
to miss this program
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of The New Journey.
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Welcome back to The New Journey.
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Thank you for tuning into part 2
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of Annex's amazing story.
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Annex, we'd like to thank you
for coming back on the program
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for part 2.
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Before we get
into the information
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that we have here,
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let's briefly recap over
what we talked about in part 1.
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What gang were you involved
in and where are you from?
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Well, I'm from West
Palm Beach, Florida.
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And I was involved with
Top 6 and also San Castle
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for a pretty
large part of my life.
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Okay, okay.
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Now give us a
little bit of background
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on the San Castle
gang and the Top 6 gang?
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Well, it was a street gang
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out of West Palm Beach, Florida.
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Top 6 was the gang that
ran Lake Worth, Florida.
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San Castle pretty
much had the territory
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between Lantana and Hypoluxo,
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all the way from Boynton
Beach stopped at Delray Beach.
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We ran that part of town
and everywhere down from there.
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Okay, now in part
1, we talked about you,
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you were just getting ready
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to walk away from the gang life.
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And once you walked
away from that gang life,
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what did you get
involved to next,
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dealing with real estate?
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Well, my
brother, brother-in-law,
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he was always into interesting
ideas on how to get rich.
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Okay.
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And so--
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Get rich schemes.
Yeah, get rich schemes.
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So he got a flyer, I
don't know how he got it
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but he invited
us to come with him
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to one of those
seminars that they was doing,
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real estate seminars.
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Okay.
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And I went with him
and my older brother
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went with him as well.
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And that's when my journey
started off at the real estate
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and also the
spiritualism in a sense.
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Okay, now your
involvement in spiritualism,
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what did you get involved with,
specifically with spiritualism?
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Well, when in spiritualism
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the things that
I got involved with
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was the various different
practices such as hypnosis.
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Okay.
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Also meditation,
Black-Op hypnosis,
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and you also have
astral projection,
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conversational hypnosis.
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Okay.
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Pretty much things like that,
more of spiritualistic things.
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Okay, not as many of us
like myself that don't know much
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about Black-Ops
hypnosis, astral projection,
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could you provide little
bit of details of each of these,
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what's all involved?
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Well, I can give you a
little brief detail, but--
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Okay.
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But I can't go
too much into it but--
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Okay.
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When we, we all pretty much know
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what meditation and
all these other things are.
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Uh-huh.
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But conversational hypnosis
is pretty much the skill
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and the talent to be
able to use conversation
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to get what you want.
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Okay.
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So it's more in the
term of saying words
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that the human
psyche would not understand
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and conversational hypnosis
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goes along with
something called NLP.
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NLP is short
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for
Neuro-Linguistic Programming.
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What that is, is
neural is mental,
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linguistic is language,
programming is programming.
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So you would use the
mind and also the conversation
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to get the person to get to
do what you want them to do.
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You know, so you
would use words that--
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We've two different way
of understanding things.
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We have the conscious
and we have the subconscious.
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So NLP was learning how to speak
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to the person's subconscious
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where they have
no reasoning power
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to stop you from
doing what you want to do.
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Wow, so that would
pretty much just break down
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your reasoning abilities.
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Breaks down the frontal lobe.
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Okay. Go pass the frontal lobe.
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Say things, say words that the--
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See the frontal lobe
is a reasoning factor.
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That's where you
reason, you make decisions.
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So if you use words
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that the individual
will not have the ability
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to make a decision or--
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You're able to
influence them in ways
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that they would've
never been influenced before
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if you use more common words.
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Okay, so what about
the astral projection?
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Astral projection is a
little bit more serious.
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Astral projection
was the last thing
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that I got involved in.
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Astral projection is
pretty much the separation
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between body and soul.
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Astral projection is
something that I did a lot of--
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Okay.
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And it's a way to
disconnect yourself
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and to get into an
astral projection state,
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you'd have to know
how to do a lucid dream--
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That means, like if
you're having a dream,
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you actually
know you're dreaming.
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Okay, okay.
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So, if you're
dreaming, you can actually say,
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"Oh I'm in a dream," and
wake up out of your dream
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or transfer
yourself into another dream.
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It's a dream state
that you put your body in.
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It's used for a lot of
different, different things,
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a lot of different
spiritualism things.
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Okay.
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Now what about the
Black-Ops hypnosis?
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What is the difference
between Black-Ops hypnosis
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and the conversational hypnosis?
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Conversational
hypnosis is a conversation,
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like if I say something to you,
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like Aaron you
know a person like me
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is always good to talk to.
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You know in real
life I'm telling you
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your subconscious to like
me so I would use words that--
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it makes sense
to your regular mind
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but your subconscious
mind sees it different
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because I'm
using different words
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to get a different result.
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But in NLP,
Neuro-Linguistic Pattern,
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it's more of using
the person's six senses
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and it originates straight
out of the Garden of Eden.
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Uh-huh, okay.
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It's more like using
the person's six senses
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by using touch, sight, feel
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and all the other senses
to get the person to do things
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that would benefit
your need or their need.
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Okay, so, you know
that's a big transition
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going from the gang life
then over to spiritualism.
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Now you told me that
you eventually met a man
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named Byron that
you worked with--
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Yes.
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Give us a little information
about that whole encounter
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and what that led to?
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Oh, that was a very
interesting encounter.
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I've been working
with Byron at a warehouse
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for over five years,
I was working with him.
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Me and him really never had--
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We had a little small encounters
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where he would say,
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man you better
leave these girls alone
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and I'd be like, well, you need
to tell them to leave me alone,
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you know, so we'd cross path
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but we never
really sat down and talked
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until one day he saw
me listening to my iPod
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and he said, "What
are you listening to?"
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At that time I was
listening to J. Rothstein
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and I told him I was
listening to J. Rothstein.
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He says, "What do you
know about J. Rothstein?"
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I said, "Well really nothing,
I just like what he's saying."
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He is a prosperity preacher.
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So the prosperity
gospel was very good for me
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because you can have Jesus
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and have money at the same time.
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You know, so he told me,
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"What do you know
about J. Rothstein?"
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I said, well really nothing.
I just like what he says.
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So he says, "So do
you believe in God?"
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I said, well,
yeah and then I said,
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"I don't believe in him
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the same way
you believe in him."
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Okay. "I
believe we all are gods.
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We all have the
ability to be God."
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Okay.
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And everything is God, you know.
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Okay, let me ask you this.
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You said something important.
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You had the belief
that everybody was God.
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Now in part 1 of the program,
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you talked about how you
were involved with the Mormons.
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How did you
come to that portion,
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to that point where you believed
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that we were our own gods?
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Well, it's
through a whole history
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and background of things
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would take more than a long time
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to really get into it
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but, you know, throughout
practicing spiritualism
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and doing astral projection
and seeing these spirits
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and communicating with these
different demonic entities,
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you get the idea of
what they're saying is true
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and what you're
listening to is true
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and that's one of the things
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that they put in your head
is that pantheism, you know,
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thinking that God
exists in everything.
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And that was one of the things
that I approached Byron with.
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Okay, okay, and then
eventually the conversations,
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where did that
eventually lead to?
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Well, Byron told me he
says, he said, "Really?"
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I said, "Yeah," you know,
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and then I told
him a little bit more
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and this guy wasn't moved.
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Usually you tell
someone something like that,
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they would look at
you like you're crazy.
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He wasn't
moved, he wasn't shook.
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He says, he says,
"Do you have a Bible?"
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I said, I said, "Yeah."
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I still had my Mormon Bible.
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So he says go read these
verses found in Deuteronomy.
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I think it's
Deuteronomy Chapter 9,
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but, it's been a while.
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He gave it to me to go read it.
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But I didn't read it.
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The first night I didn't read it
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because every time
I get off from work,
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I would go astral project.
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I would go practice
my spiritualism things
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and not go read the Bible.
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Okay. But eventually I did.
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Now at the times when
you'd do that astral projection,
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the Black-Ops hypnosis
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and the various
other forms of hypnosis.
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Did any of that
kind of scare you
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what you were getting involved
and I know when I began--
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the night that I made a decision
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that changed my life,
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it was like the demon was
beginning to manifest itself.
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I remember I was lying
down on the floor in my room
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and I could see demons moving
about on the ceiling in my room
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and that scared me.
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Now what you were involved
in was a lot deeper than that,
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so there was never any
fear or what you were doing,
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it didn't scare you at all?
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No it didn't scare me
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because I was
getting the results
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that I was looking for.
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Okay, and those results were?
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Those results was to
getting what you want,
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getting people to do
what you want them to do,
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being able to be
very influential.
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Okay.
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And being able to
visit other world, you know,
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being able to talk to
these different entities so.
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Okay.
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It didn't scare me at
first but it started to scare me
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after I
actually read that verse.
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Okay, okay.
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You know, eventually I got
around to reading the verse
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that Byron told me to go read
and after I read that verse,
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everything started going wrong.
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And what was the
gist of that verse
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that he encouraged you to read.
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Well, it was the verse
talking about the mean spirits.
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You know, you should not be
involved with the mean spirits,
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Necromancies and
all of those and--
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Divination and
various things like that.
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Divination, it's
abomination. Yeah, okay.
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You know, when I heard that,
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that kind off
spooked me a little bit
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because I still
had a form of godliness
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but denying the power thereof.
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So I kind of, you know was
a little nervous like, okay,
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is these demons, you
know, but they don't--
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they were not
presented to me as demons
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or anything like that.
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They were
presented to me as guides,
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you know, leaders
and stuff like that.
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So I never
looked at it as demons
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until I went back to Byron
the next day and I was like,
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man what is this talking about.
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And he told me straight
up, he says those spirits
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that you're
talking to are demons
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and that spooked me.
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Now, why did you
choose to believe
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that they were demons
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based on what the text
said, based on what Byron said,
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you've been
doing astral projection
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and thing for a while.
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Why didn't you
just believe that,
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you know okay maybe
this stuff isn't true?
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You know, they've always
presented themselves as guides.
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What made you kind of
start to think about it?
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It got evil. It got
really, really serious.
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Okay, what do you mean by that?
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Like when I get home,
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Byron was very
adamant about saving me.
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You know, so I would get home--
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That's good.
That's a good thing.
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And he would give me verse
to read and when I got home,
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you know when they are there.
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You know when I
come out of the car
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I can feel their presence.
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And I would say to
myself that I'm gonna go home
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and I'm gonna read these verses
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that Byron gave to
me and as time goes on,
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you know, things would happen
like my light would go off
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so I wouldn't read the verse
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and eventually when I
started to read the verse,
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after a while past they started
to really, really get physical,
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so they would
literally attack me,
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hit me, pull my pillow from
underneath when I'm sleeping.
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So it got really, really serious
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so that's how I
knew that it was evil.
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Okay, now do you
think that was happening
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because you
started to read the Bible
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or and Byron was
telling you these things
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and you know I guess
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when you start to
leave that lifestyle,
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the whole spirit world
apart from God, you know,
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the spirits, the
demons try to pull you back.
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So was it because maybe
you were reading the text
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or what Byron was telling you,
they started tormenting you.
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Well, the text
was very powerful.
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Once that started to happen,
I went to Byron the next day.
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"Hey man! What's going on here?"
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You know, I went to
him the next day, like,
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"Hey look this,
this is not what I--
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I didn't sign up for this."
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You know, so he looked
at me simply, he just said,
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"Okay, what's the problem?"
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I said, "These things
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are really, really
making it hard for me to sleep,
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making it hard for me to live."
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And he says, "Well,
just pray to Jesus?"
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I said, "Jesus?
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Man come on man", I
said "for real give me some,
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" You know I'm from the street,
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I'm like give me
something to take care of this.
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You know and he looked
at me with a straight face,
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he never flinched.
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He just said pray to Jesus.
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And when I got home, you know,
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the same situation
would happen again.
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And then I would
strive at myself,
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like jeez, this is
stupid, this is ridiculous,
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this man can't
tell me to pray to Jesus
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so as the situation got
more and more and more serious,
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I got to a
predicament where I needed help
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and I didn't know what to do
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and I just said Jesus help
and that was the end of that.
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Now when you said Jesus
help, what happened after that?
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Did you feel that help
come or something else?
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What transpired?
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Well, being at
astral projection,
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when you get yourself
in a state of total OBE,
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out of body, there's no way to,
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like, you would be
sleeping and you would wake up
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but you'd still be asleep.
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Okay, so you could pretty much
kind of see yourself sleeping.
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Yeah, do you
understand like, you'd sleep
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and then you
wake up from a dream
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but you'd still be in a dream.
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And I couldn't get out
and they would torment me.
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So when I said Jesus
help, I would wake up.
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I would wake up right out of it.
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Okay, okay, that's powerful.
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I remember when I was beginning
to change my life, I prayed.
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I finally got on my
knees by myself, I prayed
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and as I was praying
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I could literally feel
Satan rising off of my back.
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You know, the name
of Jesus carries power.
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Power and weight to it
and because of Jesus' name,
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demons have to flee
when we call that name,
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that's very powerful.
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Now talk to us about your
quest for the true church.
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Byron gave you some information
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and then something
happened, talk about that?
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You know the interesting
fact about it is that
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the Lord knows what he is doing.
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You know, the Lord really
knows how to lead a person to.
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Because when Byron gave me--
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he was walking me through this,
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I went through the whole
Bible within like 30 days.
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You know I wanted
to know this Jesus.
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I went through the whole
thing within like 30 days--
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From Genesis to Revelation?
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Genesis to Revelation. Wow.
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And it just stuck in my head.
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I can give you the whole Bible
from Genesis to Revelation.
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So that Jesus, I
wanted to know who Jesus was,
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so I really, really
started to study the word of God
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and that was one
of the turning points
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that really,
really helped me out.
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Okay, now talk about
how you got that answer.
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Okay, how I got
the, which answer?
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The specific
answer of the true church.
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Oh, okay. Yes.
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I told Byron that
God must have a church.
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He said, "Yeah, He does."
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So I said, "I'm gonna find it."
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He said, "Okay, go ahead."
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So I went, I was starting
to look through the Bible
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and I was wrestling
trying to find his church.
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I couldn't find no church.
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You know, one flock, one fold,
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and I'm like, okay,
so there must be one.
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Yeah, you're looking
for specific name, right?
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I'm looking for specific
name, I couldn't find it
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so I told my brother,
"I'm gonna find this church."
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And he says, "Okay."
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So I went back
to Byron and I said,
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"B I can't find this church."
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So Byron says, "Why not?
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Why don't you
just ask the spirits?
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I said, "Well,
that's a good idea.
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Why don't I just do that?"
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So I went home
and I just sat down
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and I said Lord,
where is your church?
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Who is your true church? Okay.
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And then the impression
came, Seventh-day Adventist.
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Seventh-day Adventist.
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So I ran downstairs
and I told my brother.
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I found the church!
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He says what church is it?
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I said it's the
Seventh-day Adventist church.
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Wow!
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Now at that point
had you ever heard
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of the Seventh-day
Adventist up until then?
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Oh, no.
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No, I've never knew nothing
about Seventh-day Adventist.
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The closest I
came to religion was
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Jehovah Witness and the Mormon.
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So when I got back to work,
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I said, "Byron I
found the true church."
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He said, "Okay, what is it?"
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I said, "It's the
Seventh-day Adventist church."
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And then he gave me that look,
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you know, he gave me
that look, scary look.
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So you know, being involved
into so much different things
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you understand
the body language.
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So I said, "Byron,
where do you go to church?"
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He said, "I'm a
Seventh-day Adventist."
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So all this time
he had never told you
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he was Seventh-day Adventist.
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He never told me he was
a Seventh-day Adventist.
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And the
interesting thing about it was,
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if he would have told me he
was a Seventh-day Adventist,
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he probably would have lost me,
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because with all
of the other things
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that comes with being
the Seventh-day Adventist.
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With me coming out
of the Mormon movement,
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Joseph Smith,
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you know it would
have really turned me off.
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Wow! Yeah, that
is understandable.
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So now that you'd learned
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that it was the
Seventh-day Adventist church,
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what was your next step
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because you
eventually ended up at Wildwood?
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How did you get there?
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When I found out
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it was the
Seventh-day Adventist church.
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I wanted to be anywhere that
the Seventh-day Adventist was,
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you know, so I
started to look for the church
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and I found a church
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that was down the street from me
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and I started to
attend that church.
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And at that time
everything started going wrong.
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They fired me from my job
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and that gave me the opportunity
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to start to search
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for what the
Lord wanted me to do.
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And I told Byron, throughout--
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You know, we don't have
time to really get into it,
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but throughout
the period that I was,
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I was going through it
back and forth with Byron.
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The Lord revealed to me
00:19:10.08\00:19:11.41
that He wanted me to
go and do missionary work,
00:19:11.45\00:19:14.22
and I thought it was
just a regular missionary work
00:19:14.25\00:19:16.69
and Byron gave me a phone number
00:19:16.72\00:19:19.19
of a guy Shawn
Craig, that's at Wildwood
00:19:19.22\00:19:22.69
and to give him a call.
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And he wanted me
to go to Wildwood.
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Okay, so you got to Wildwood,
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Wildwood College
of Health Evangelism.
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And how was it
adjusting to Wildwood
00:19:31.67\00:19:34.57
versus the
lifestyle you just came from?
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Oh, Wildwood was horrible.
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Well, tell us, elaborate
on why was it horrible?
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Wildwood went against
everything that I believed.
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It went against
everything that I grew up,
00:19:45.61\00:19:47.38
that I grown up knowing to do.
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Now for those
that don't know much
00:19:50.35\00:19:51.79
about Wildwood
College of Health Evangelism.
00:19:51.82\00:19:53.56
Give us a brief
background of Wildwood?
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Well, Wildwood is a medical
missionary training school.
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They train you about
the medical missionary work.
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And they give you the really,
the foundation of Christianity.
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How to really be a Christian,
00:20:06.60\00:20:07.94
like Christian
home, Christian living,
00:20:07.97\00:20:09.97
you know, all of these
things that we were told to do
00:20:10.01\00:20:14.71
as secular world
is completely wrong.
00:20:14.74\00:20:17.61
When you come to
place like Wildwood,
00:20:17.65\00:20:19.58
you get to learn the multi-facet
00:20:19.61\00:20:23.75
of what Christ
has in store for you,
00:20:23.79\00:20:26.12
the right way not the wrong way.
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I got to Wildwood,
00:20:27.76\00:20:29.09
I figured out
everything that I've been doing
00:20:29.12\00:20:30.73
for the best of my
whole life had been wrong.
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So it was hard.
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It was really hard.
00:20:34.73\00:20:36.06
So you went from the gang life
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to spiritualism,
then to Wildwood.
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Yes, sir.
00:20:39.80\00:20:41.14
Now you are
involved in ministry work,
00:20:41.17\00:20:42.50
full time ministry work.
00:20:42.54\00:20:43.87
Talk a little bit about
the work that you're doing now
00:20:43.91\00:20:45.57
and what you have
planned for the future?
00:20:45.61\00:20:47.44
Well, what we are doing now
in ministry is before Wildwood,
00:20:47.48\00:20:52.31
when I got to Wildwood, I
was finished with Wildwood,
00:20:52.35\00:20:55.62
so I got involved in
doing natural remedy weekends.
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Now what the
natural remedy weekend is,
00:20:59.99\00:21:01.92
you would go out
to various places
00:21:01.96\00:21:04.43
and you would put
on health presentations
00:21:04.46\00:21:08.56
and health talks
and things like that.
00:21:08.60\00:21:10.73
So I really,
really liked doing that
00:21:10.77\00:21:12.43
and I felt that,
00:21:12.47\00:21:13.80
that's what the Lord
was calling me to do.
00:21:13.84\00:21:15.57
So as I got involved in
doing that type of work,
00:21:15.60\00:21:20.58
I left Wildwood and I went ahead
00:21:20.61\00:21:22.41
and I started my own ministry.
00:21:22.44\00:21:24.88
Now, while
starting my own ministry,
00:21:24.91\00:21:26.68
I had the ability to
go to the various places
00:21:26.72\00:21:30.62
and I ended up in Missouri.
00:21:30.65\00:21:34.69
While I was in Missouri,
00:21:34.72\00:21:36.06
a wonderful lady
that the Lord sent,
00:21:36.09\00:21:38.23
her name is Shirley.
00:21:38.26\00:21:39.59
She attended one
of our presentation
00:21:39.63\00:21:41.73
and she was very impressed.
00:21:41.76\00:21:44.80
And she was like,
00:21:44.83\00:21:46.17
we need something
like this here in Missouri.
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So I'm like okay.
00:21:48.97\00:21:50.31
So she had a place
that she wanted to show us
00:21:50.34\00:21:52.14
and she took us to
it and it was a clinic
00:21:52.17\00:21:55.81
and this clinic was
a very wonderful place,
00:21:55.84\00:21:59.48
it's located right
outside of Missouri
00:21:59.51\00:22:01.58
and in the inside you
have a nice sitting area
00:22:01.62\00:22:05.35
where people can
come, people can sit.
00:22:05.39\00:22:07.69
And we took the clinic,
we transformed the clinic
00:22:07.72\00:22:10.33
to what we needed it
to be for our ministry.
00:22:10.36\00:22:13.03
It has a waiting room,
it has an emergency room
00:22:13.06\00:22:15.66
where if you need
to deal with people,
00:22:15.70\00:22:17.27
you can deal with people there.
00:22:17.30\00:22:18.63
It has a laboratory,
full functionable laboratory
00:22:18.67\00:22:21.10
where you can do blood work
and all of that other stuff.
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And we have
exercise room in there.
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We also have herbal products.
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We have like say for instance,
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if someone wants to go
the more natural way they can.
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So we've been doing the
clinic, we started the clinic
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since the
beginning of this year,
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we've been operating the clinic.
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And now we're looking more
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into the second
half of our ministry
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and that is
starting a lifestyle center.
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Matter of fact,
we've located a place
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where we want to start it up.
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And we're looking for support
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as for people that's
gonna help with the Lord's work,
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to help us to be
able to obtain this place
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and this lifestyle center
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is right outside
of Marshall, Missouri.
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It's not too far from Marshall.
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And the wonderful
thing about it is, Aaron,
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is that the Lord has
got us half way there
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and now we need the other
half, you know, in the gospel,
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he says outside
of every major city
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you must have lifestyle centers
for people to be able to go to.
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This property is 79 acres.
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They're asking $375,000.
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We are doing some fund raisers
for the property right now.
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Eventually--
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Right now we've raised
over $35, 000 of donation,
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so we are looking
for more supporters.
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People that has
the mind that the Lord
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really wants this
world to help us out
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to be able to
obtain this property
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and be able to
continue doing the Lord's work.
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Okay, now looking
back on your life.
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The many things that
you have gone through,
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as you've mentioned the
gangs, the spiritualism,
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how has the word of
God, the spirit of prophecy,
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how have these things help
you overcome the many things
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that you've been involved in?
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These things are powerful.
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The word of God
is life. Oh, yeah.
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The word of God
is the most powerful,
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the most precious thing
that I've ever came upon.
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You know, me coming out
of the spiritualism world,
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the word of God
really makes sense to you
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because you've seen
that word in action.
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I've seen the
name of Jesus Christ.
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So when he says in
the name of Jesus Christ,
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every demon shall flee
away, I have seen that done.
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And Ellen White is a
rebuke to a lot of people,
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and also to myself as well,
because what I've came from,
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it totally goes
against what I believe.
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So I have to learn
to leave my belief aside
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to really, really seek after
what the Lord wants me to do.
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You know, you come
to a point in your life
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when you say like the Lord says,
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who will I send, you
say, here I am Lord, send me.
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Yeah, okay.
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Now for a person
that has a thought
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of getting into
astral projection, hypnosis
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because they may
think it's cool or whatever.
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Would you suggest that
they stay away from it?
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It's completely against
what God wants us to do.
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Separating
yourself from yourself
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is completely what
God would want you to do.
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If you are thinking about
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getting involved
with something like that,
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I would tell you to think twice.
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Because once you get
into the spiritualism world,
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there's no coming out.
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You know, only God
can get you out of that.
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If it wasn't
for the love of God,
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I would have never made it out.
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Satan is playing for
keeps and so is the Lord.
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So it's very,
very serious business
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so, anyone that would be
considering that type of stuff,
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I would say pick up
your Bible and read it,
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because the word of God
is where the power is at.
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Satan is a conquered foe.
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You know, he has
no power, you know
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and he is trying to
take everyone down with him,
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so I'd say cling to
the Lord and don't let go.
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Now when you, and
that is very true.
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When you started to
walk away from it have you--
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since you walked
away from it I should say,
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have you still been tormented
by those spirits or you know,
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'cause sometimes when
people change their lives,
00:25:56.85\00:25:58.65
you know, they are so addicted
or tied to the various things
00:25:58.69\00:26:01.69
that they've been involved with.
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Are you still tempted by that
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or is it pretty much something
that you overcame completely.
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You know I was afraid that
you'd ask me this question.
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I had to get it in, man.
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I was afraid that you
would ask me that question,
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but no, you don't,
you don't eventually,
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you never get away from it.
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It still happen.
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It happens very
frequently but you--
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Okay, where the
demons kind of torments you
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whenever they need.
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Yeah, it happens
very quite often.
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The most recent
experience I can remember
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is two weeks ago.
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They really will
not let you sleep.
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It will really, really be hard.
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But you've a comforter.
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He always speaks in
His still silent voice
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and all you have
to do is pray to Jesus
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and some of the other
time it will happen as well
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if you enter into sin.
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God can't help you
if you're into sin.
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So it helps you to know the Lord
00:26:46.50\00:26:50.21
and the more you know the Lord,
00:26:50.24\00:26:51.57
the more of this stuff
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will start to
disappear from your life.
00:26:52.97\00:26:54.31
But once you've
opened that door,
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it's hard to close that door.
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Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
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You know one thing
that you read about
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in the Book of Revelation
mainly around Chapters 2 and 3,
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is that it repeatedly says that
heaven is for the overcomer.
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Anyway, you know, we all
go through trials in our life,
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walking away from
the various things
00:27:08.22\00:27:09.79
that we were
addicted to in life.
00:27:09.82\00:27:11.86
And we have to
overcome those things,
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those besetments in our
lives, those sins in our lives.
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We have to overcome.
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Use these last few seconds
to speak to that young person
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that is, wants to get
involved in gang life,
00:27:22.37\00:27:24.34
wants to get
involved in astral projection,
00:27:24.37\00:27:25.94
speak real
quickly to that person?
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You know, the gang life
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is not the life
that you want to live.
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You know, I had to
watch my mother cry herself
00:27:31.61\00:27:33.28
to sleep every night.
00:27:33.31\00:27:34.72
You know, I have to
listen to her trials
00:27:34.75\00:27:37.59
because my little brother's
doing 10 years in prison.
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You know, so it's not a
life that you want to live.
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You know, as for
the spiritualism part,
00:27:42.82\00:27:44.39
it's death.
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There is no life
outside of Christ.
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You have to
really, really be careful
00:27:48.90\00:27:50.47
when you're thinking about
00:27:50.50\00:27:51.83
getting yourself
into these things
00:27:51.87\00:27:53.20
because you
cannot get yourself out.
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I know because I've
been into it before,
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so I would highly
encourage them not to.
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Thank you, Brother Annex
for being on the program.
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We encourage you
to tune in next time
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for The New Journey.
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