Participants: Pr. Marquis Johns (Host), Wilhemina Cobb
Series Code: TNJ
Program Code: TNJ000031
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00:01 The following program discusses sensitive issues.
00:03 Parents are cautioned that some material 00:05 may be too candid for younger children. 00:08 Welcome to The New Journey, 00:09 a program about real life people 00:11 with real life testimonies 00:13 doing real life ministry for Jesus Christ. 00:15 I'm your host, Pastor Marquis Johns. 00:17 Join us on The New Journey. 00:53 Oft times when we think about prison, 00:56 we always hear the male perspective. 00:58 We hear about what men go through 01:00 and we perpetuate the stereotype mythology 01:03 of men behind bars. 01:05 Well, on today's show, 01:06 we have someone who's going to tell us 01:08 the other side of the story. 01:09 The story about what happened 01:11 when woman do hard time in prison. 01:14 Wilhemina, I want to thank you for being on New Journey. 01:16 So you're upbringing, tell us a little bit about you? 01:20 Okay. 01:22 Mother, father, three brothers, two sisters 01:26 and nice big house, 19 room house, 01:30 big backyard, family unions, cookouts. 01:36 My mother used to can her own fruits 01:39 and vegetables, 01:40 still have some left and she passed away. 01:44 Now I'm all growed up. You all growed up. 01:46 All growed up. All growed up. 01:48 Yeah. 01:51 So life was relatively normal for you. 01:54 I mean there wasn't a broken home. 01:56 Dad was there, big backyard, nice big family. 01:59 Everything was normal. Yes. 02:01 We have fun, you know, 02:03 back there everything is electronic, 02:05 back then you had to make up your games and everything, 02:09 you know, like drops switches, 02:11 large ball, kick ball, soft ball. 02:15 Right, right. Yeah, those little things. 02:17 And boy gangs, we have, few boy gangs, you know. 02:21 The church that I was attending, 02:24 we were always going trips like to the beach, 02:27 Ocean City, Atlantic City, 02:30 Sandy Beach and just little trips like that, 02:34 you know, keep the children 02:37 in the neighborhood out of trouble. 02:39 That was good days too. 02:41 So well, Wilhemina, just real quick, 02:44 if someone who comes from what people desire 02:48 or what seems to be normal, 02:51 how do you end up on a show 02:52 where we're talking about a new journey, 02:54 people who have had, on this show you had, 02:56 you know, people who have died from drug overdoses, 02:59 people who receive the death penalty, 03:01 life prison jail, 03:02 how do you go from such a normal life, mom, dad, 03:05 19 bedroom home, 03:08 plenty of brothers and sisters and friends to play 03:10 with, how do you go from there 03:12 which seems like you're on track 03:14 or just the textbook, 03:17 good life if you will to a show like this? 03:23 In my family boys could do anything they want 03:26 and they did. 03:28 And we had to ask my mother if we go over somebody's house, 03:32 you know, she said, "Don't come in here, 03:34 telling me where you're going? 03:35 You ask and you go." 03:38 And a lot of times she will say, "No, no. 03:40 No need. 03:41 You sit there with your lip up bogged down." 03:43 When as years go by, 03:46 you know, you start in the spiritual wing, 03:48 you know, from junior high to high school. 03:52 So I wanted more freedom, you know. 03:57 I asked my father. 03:58 I'm a daddy's girl and asked him, 04:01 you know, "Is that all right if I go so and so?" 04:04 And he says, "It's all right with your mother." 04:06 So I went back to my mother, I said, 04:07 "Well, dad said it's all right if you say it's all right, 04:10 you know, if I go." 04:12 And my friends, they had a lot of freedom 04:17 and I wanted to hang with them. 04:19 Then came the weed, 04:22 the pills, snorting cocaine, 04:27 and then smoking cocaine. 04:29 I did that for long time before crack came. 04:34 So wait, wait, 04:35 there was a phase in the cocaine industry 04:38 that people were smoking 04:40 even when some were doing powder, 04:42 was it in its rocked up form or you put... 04:43 Free base. Yeah, okay. 04:45 That's free base. 04:47 Yeah, that stayed around for a long time 04:49 until this crack thing came on, 04:51 you know, and that was right all by itself. 04:57 So tell us just real quick, 04:58 tell us about your first introduction to cocaine, 05:00 like, I mean 'cause you said there was a transition 05:03 from junior high school to the high school, 05:04 when were you first introduced to cocaine? 05:09 In '70... 05:14 '75, yeah. 05:17 It's on bus on way to school. Mercy. 05:22 "You want to try this?" 05:24 And, of course, yeah, 'cause I was already, 05:27 you know, smoking weed, drugs... 05:34 And the other stuff. 05:36 So by that, it was a try, 05:39 you know, 'cause now I'm out there having fun. 05:42 I got a lot more freedom. 05:44 How did you get this freedom? 05:46 I'm in high school now. Okay. 05:48 You know and we have more parties, 05:53 house parties, 05:54 and ballad of the bands. 06:00 Well, that's right if you do it... 06:01 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 06:03 you grew up in D.C. 06:04 go, go, wherever. 06:05 Oh, Yes. 06:08 Oh yeah. 06:09 And you don't have to ask, you just stay after school. 06:13 You know, that was just a normal, 06:15 when you had a ballad of the bands 06:17 and dances and that's when I was introduced. 06:22 So, you started using cocaine 06:28 and you progressed up the ladder, 06:30 free base eventually to crack, cocaine. 06:33 Now coming from such a large normal family, 06:36 how did that affect your family relationships? 06:41 Mother, father did not know. 06:44 Really? Did not know. 06:48 After smoke we're in the house and they did not know. 06:53 How was that? 06:55 Were they turning the blind eye, 06:58 deaf ear or was it 06:59 they just didn't recognize what you were doing? 07:00 They didn't know what I was doing. 07:02 They didn't recognized it, 07:04 you know, they were from the real old school. 07:06 Okay. Yeah. Both in buggy day. 07:11 You're not that old now. 07:13 No, I'm not. 07:15 You know, when coming up, 07:17 you know, I would say "Well, mom, 07:19 what about so and so, 07:20 you did that in the olden days?" 07:22 And then one of my nieces hit me with that. 07:25 Oh, mercy. 07:26 I revealed that's the common pill. 07:29 I revealed, you know, 07:30 that were back in the olden days, 07:31 I said, "No, you didn't." 07:35 I said, "No, you didn't. Pull that one on me." 07:37 And so what that mean is you get out of cocaine, 07:43 you know, my mother, 07:45 you guys are probably from the same parent, 07:47 my mother just became a completely different person, 07:51 meaning completely different person. 07:53 I remember 07:55 just a number of incidents that took place in my life 07:58 and my mother was just someone else. 08:00 I mean, I remember when 08:02 she first started experimenting her 08:03 and her husband at time and you know, 08:07 she begins to steal from me, I remember one Christmas, 08:11 the local thrifts where I would volunteer at sometimes, 08:14 they gave me a black and white television. 08:16 And you know, I was just the toast of the town, 08:19 see I had this black and white television in my room. 08:22 And I remember coming home one day, 08:23 my mother had stolen my television 08:25 and then pawned it for some crack. 08:28 It strains the relationship 08:30 and so, tell us about the person, 08:34 maybe unfortunately that you became 08:37 as result of using crack. 08:39 I was way there on the road. 08:42 I was 30 then, you know, 08:44 when got messed with that crack. 08:48 I went to Fairland, you know, 08:53 but I stole from everybody's except 08:55 from my house. 08:59 That was when the crack came out new. 09:01 If it is just about anything for, 09:04 but I was always a party girl 09:07 and I would just wanted to party, party, party, party. 09:10 So that's what I did. 09:11 That's why I have no children 09:14 because I didn't want to bring 09:15 any in this, in my world, you know, just slow me down. 09:19 Grandma say, "Have while you are young 09:21 and you can party later." 09:23 And everybody else was having 09:24 while they were young and they were stuck. 09:26 And I said, "Not me. Not me." 09:29 So probably about 09:34 in the '90s after my father passed away, 09:37 I got real down dirty, 09:39 you know, I was taking everything 09:41 that could be lifted in the house. 09:44 You know, diamond rings, gold chains, money. 09:50 I got to the point 09:51 where I was through, 09:56 I was through, I was on the streets, 09:59 not homeless but I was just out there in the street, 10:01 in the world and I got tired of it. 10:06 I was 42, I was tired off. 10:09 So I prayed all the time, you know, for Jesus to help me, 10:13 come and get me up. 10:15 But He wasn't ready to get me until I was ready to be got. 10:21 And I was ready. 10:24 It was a 4th of July 10:27 in '94, '96 10:34 when I called Lord, Him, I said, "I'm tired. 10:37 I don't want to do this no more. 10:39 Give me some help. Please help me." 10:43 Because death was the next thing, 10:46 you know, and I wasn't ready to die, scared up. 10:50 And I heard Jesus telling me, "Go home." 10:56 He said in three days 10:59 everything going to be taken care of. 11:01 But before that I was a mule, 11:04 I went to New York... 11:07 Now we're gonna explain what a mule is. 11:08 Mule is someone who carries drugs. 11:10 Carries the drugs. Yeah, right. 11:11 Yeah. 11:12 So I was back and forth in New York. 11:15 Sometimes I went to Vegas, 11:16 you know and one day coming back, 11:20 it was my final day 'cause they caught me 11:24 with a kilo crack cocaine. 11:26 Mercy, mercy. 11:28 And so when you get caught 11:33 with this key... 11:35 I'm caught. 11:36 Yeah, what was the first negotiation, I'm caught? 11:39 Yeah, I'm caught. 11:40 I'm caught, you know, 'cause I was feeling like good, 11:42 I had missed some rummy, 11:45 and all my little ginks on the bus. 11:48 I feel it good. 11:50 So when they have it all, that was so, well, okay. 11:52 And see that's interesting because, 11:55 but for our viewers who may not have any inclination 11:57 as to what it means to be a mule 11:59 or even the more, 12:02 the routes that are easiest to get drugs through, 12:06 I remember back in the day, 12:08 that was a sure fire way to get 12:09 your stuff from one place to another, 12:11 don't get on a plane, 12:12 don't get on even a train, get on the greyhound. 12:15 Yes. 12:17 Yeah, but well, back in the '70s 12:19 is pretty easy to do on planes, 12:23 you know, and trains, 12:25 you know, 'cause they didn't have the dogs. 12:27 And big drug buses, 12:30 you know, so yeah, we had that time, now, 12:35 yeah, the bus was the easiest... 12:36 Right? 12:37 And see I didn't catch my regular bus, 12:40 you know, I caught a later bus 12:42 'cause I usually get that bus at 12, 12:46 I'm in DC by 4, nonstop, but this one stop. 12:51 Stop right there in Baltimore. 12:53 And so was it a situation where they had dogs out... 12:56 They had the dogs, yeah. 12:58 So walk us through that situation, 12:59 walk us through, 13:00 you're on the bus, you see you, you know, 13:02 I'm stopping somewhere, 13:03 I shouldn't normally stop and I see dogs, 13:05 what was going... 13:06 No, I didn't see the dog. Okay. 13:07 I see nobody, I'm already get off 13:09 and smoke me a cigarette, 13:10 you know, out there and truly the drink that I just took, 13:14 and so then the police just, oh, 13:17 they're just nicest they can be, they're like, 13:19 "Are you doing, Girl, where you are headed to?" 13:23 And then one gets on the bus I hear, 13:25 another one said "Bring that dog." 13:27 I was like, "Oh, oh..." 13:30 I just stood there and finished my cigarette. 13:33 When I got on the bus, 13:35 the officer was all the way in the back of the bus, 13:39 three seats from where I was. 13:42 So I just sat there and I headed, over here, thing 13:47 and then I was talking to the guy 13:48 who was sitting behind, 13:49 I said come on up here and sit 13:51 and that's when he came and checked that one. 13:53 Looked at up. 13:55 "Whose bag is this?" 13:57 I was looking around, the guy is saying, 14:00 "Not my bag." 14:02 And he just came out and said, "Is this your bag? 14:03 Is this your bag?" 14:04 I said, "I told you, it's not my bag." 14:07 So he took it out side, 14:09 let the dog sniff and that was all 14:11 and he said, "Come on, you two." 14:14 So what happened? 14:16 They wanted me to put it all on the guy, 14:21 you know, and I couldn't do that, 14:23 you know, 'cause I just asked him 14:25 come sit with me, he had nothing to do with me. 14:28 I told him, no, no. 14:29 He said, you're going take in for this 14:30 and they're saying whole lot of yang yang, 14:33 it was all, which makes a whole lot of sense now 14:36 that I'm clean in the cell for 14 years. 14:39 Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. 14:43 So got locked up, I called to people, 14:46 I said, "Look, they got me down here in Baltimore." 14:52 Next day they came through to see me, 14:54 they said, "So what did you say? 14:55 What did you say?" That's what they ask. 14:57 Looking around, I said, 14:58 "You had nothing to worry about." 15:00 I said, 'cause I did this 15:01 and I knew what was involved in, 15:04 you know, and then eventually that it would happen. 15:06 Right. 15:08 So... 15:09 So let's kind of move forward. 15:11 You go to court, you're found guilty. 15:17 Oh, no, let's talk about my lawyer 15:20 kept me out of jail '96, '97, '98, '99. 15:25 She said, well, you really did it, 15:27 you know, just get this over 15:28 with 'cause then it was only three years 15:32 and I only had to do a year on it. 15:33 You've already been convicted 15:35 or that was the deal that was been offered. 15:36 That's the deal that was offered. 15:37 Okay, okay. 15:39 Okay, so but I didn't show up to church, 15:40 I mean, sorry. 15:41 To court. 15:43 I didn't show up to court 15:44 because I was too busy out on the streets again, 15:46 you know, this right. 15:47 So now we're back to when I get sick and tired, 15:51 really sick and tired of being sick and tired 15:53 and called on Jesus. 15:55 He said, "Go to home in three days, 15:58 everything will be taken care." 15:59 US marshals came and got me. 16:03 I didn't go into the court room, 16:05 they just, oh, they told me, "You got 20 year." 16:09 I said, "What?" 16:10 They said, "You got 20 year." 16:12 Wait, wait, you didn't hear it from the judge, 16:15 you heard this from... 16:16 The US marshals. 16:17 You've been sentenced to 20 years. 16:19 They didn't made it, 16:20 they hooked me up and take me down to Chester, 16:23 you know, I said, "Twenty years." 16:29 I was like that, I couldn't say nothing but 20 years. 16:33 You know, so I get down on and just look around 16:36 and there is just like club fear, you know, 16:39 'cause I was in the fed a couple of times. 16:41 People don't know when you fed, 16:43 you're talking about federal penitentiary. 16:44 Federal penitentiary. 16:46 And federal penitentiary differs from like state 16:48 or county and you guys, 16:50 some of the amenities 16:51 that you would have if you went to hotel. 16:55 Isn't that like that now in a cracked down there, 16:58 I'm like, my time, 17:00 it was nothing but a playground. 17:03 The first one I went to was co-ed 17:08 and then while I did my probation, 17:13 the second one was co-ed and a playground too. 17:17 You know, but guess I wasn't playing, 17:21 you know, it was state not federal 17:24 and that was 20, yeah, 17:25 I just kept thinking I'm doing 20. 17:27 I said, "Oh, well, you can even do this 17:29 standing on your heel, you know." 17:30 How much time had you done before this before 17:32 you was sentenced to the 20 years, 17:33 have you done, been in and out of prison, 17:35 how much time collective you had, 17:36 would you say you have done? 17:38 A year. A year, okay. 17:39 So a year, yeah, but then we're looking at 20 years... 17:43 Twenty years. 17:46 My mother just, she just, 17:50 she didn't understand her baby, 17:52 and I'm the baby, didn't understand 20 years. 17:57 And how old were you when you were going through? 17:59 Forty two. Forty two. 18:03 I said, well, I wrote to everybody 18:06 and apologized for all the things 18:07 that I did, for stealing, for the arguing and, 18:12 you know, just being me at that time. 18:16 And Jesus came up to me and He said, 18:21 "Now is the time for you to get your life together, 18:25 you say that you were sick and tired, sick and tired." 18:29 Okay, so I'm on my way to starting, 18:32 I'm getting up, going to church. 18:35 I was like, 'cause I can't sleep 20 years away 18:37 and nothing to do. 18:40 So I'm thinking, I'm going to church, 18:42 they have eight different churches, yeah. 18:47 Now I'm going to the big church 18:49 and it still didn't kick in and still didn't kick in. 18:54 It was, it was in, 19:00 January of 2000 when I said, 19:05 "Okay, it's got to be something better, 19:08 something better." 19:09 And it was going on 'cause all the girls 19:11 that I've seen around play cards, 19:14 you had to work, you had to go to school, 19:17 you know, I did that, 19:19 I got my high school diploma 19:21 and then I got a job in the... 19:26 What do they call this, 19:27 something I just don't care or remember... 19:29 Yeah, but I want to highlight the fact 19:31 that while you were in jail serving 20 years at 42, 19:35 you were sentenced at 42, 19:36 you got a high school diploma, you're going to church. 19:39 I want you to tell us, what was the week you said, 19:42 all the girls wanted to do was just play cards, 19:44 what did the week looked like, 19:45 well, I mean in federal penitentiary, 19:47 I mean the state penitentiary, 19:48 what did that look like on a day to day basis 19:49 as a woman because, 19:51 you know, that we typically hear 19:52 the stories of the men and what they go through? 19:54 What does prison look like 19:56 from a female perspective on a day to day, 19:59 maybe just give us a week 20:00 at a glance of what you experience 20:03 that's about, what it's about seven, 20:04 eight years ago... 20:05 Been eight years and eight years in January. 20:08 About eight years ago on a day to day basis, five years, 20:11 what does a week look like, 20:12 well, I mean in a state penitentiary for a woman? 20:15 Okay, first it was getting up every morning going to school 20:20 and coming back to, you know, room or cell. 20:25 And doing what you have to do, breakfast, lunch, dinner, 20:31 all the racket outside of your room, 20:33 you get to have your own TV 20:36 and all of the hair products that you want. 20:42 I go out to watch TV in the big room, 20:45 but it's too noisy, 20:46 you can't hear, there are a lot of cussing, 20:48 fussing, arguing, fighting, 20:51 you know, you're in jail and some girls, 20:55 they just don't get it. 20:57 They just don't get it. 20:58 So I said, "Well, I got 20 years 21:00 I have to do something." 21:03 God told me 21:04 that if I got foundation in His Son 21:10 that He will let me go home with five years. 21:14 I worked hard, I worked hard. 21:18 I worked under Pastor CD Brooks. 21:21 Come on now. Yes I did, yes I did. 21:25 He will come every Thursday for Bible study with me 21:30 and another girl friend 21:32 who was a Seventh-day Adventist, 21:34 I wasn't an Adventist then. 21:36 You know and we study and we study. 21:39 So about, in about four to six months, 21:43 I said, well, I want to get baptized 21:44 and pay some tithes and all of that good stuff. 21:47 Are you still in jail? Still in jail. 21:49 He said, "No, no." 21:51 He said, "We got to study for a year." 21:53 He said, "I think you can get baptized. 21:55 You went by so quick." I said, "I'm ready. I'm ready." 21:59 But then you got a lot of politics 22:01 inside the prison, 22:03 you know, they want you to do with their people, 22:06 they don't want nobody from outside coming in 22:09 because they want to keep 22:12 that spiritual thing that they have. 22:16 I was up sitting there, 22:18 I was trying to get baptized as the Seventh-day Adventist 22:21 because then the truth would have been known 22:23 that the real Sabbath is on Saturday, 22:25 not been on the Sunday. 22:27 Oh, wow, we went through a whole lot but God put it on, 22:31 I went to scholar first night, 22:33 Karen and told her to start a church and you know, 22:37 where two or three gathered there 22:39 He is in a midst, for four months, 22:42 just me and her, just me and her, 22:44 me and her going up there, studying, 22:47 you know, officers' just like, "Just the two of you, 22:50 why do all bother to come up there." 22:52 And Karen of course will say, 22:53 "Well, where two or three are gathered, 22:55 there He is in the midst." 22:58 You know, and so they back down off of that, 23:00 you know, teasing us, 23:02 you know, about being the only two. 23:04 Word got around, we found out 23:05 that it was seven or eight of us 23:08 Seventh-day Adventists in there. 23:10 And so you start feeling up, okay, 23:13 now we can have anything that we need, 23:16 you know, like Psalm books and radios, 23:19 cassette player, 23:21 oh, no, the chaplain would tell them, no, 23:24 just don't send them nothing new, 23:26 we don't give them nothing new, everything we had, 23:29 had to be used, abused and ugly. 23:35 But something came over me and I told myself, 23:40 "God is getting ready to come through here." 23:43 I said, "He's getting ready to come 23:44 through here and clean up this place." 23:47 I said, so yeah, better get ourselves together. 23:50 Now I'm talking to the officers, 23:52 I'm telling a warden, 23:54 the assistant warden to allow these people, 23:57 He's coming through. 23:58 He's coming through. 24:00 So I'm just do what I do is I got baptized. 24:03 Come on now. 24:04 Yeah, I have... 24:06 What year was that? 2001. 24:08 This was, and you had been in prison how long? 24:10 Two years. 24:11 Two years, you're baptized... 24:13 Going on three. 24:14 And you guys now are running a church... 24:15 Oh, yes and... 24:17 So the God come through. Yes. 24:18 Oh, wow, He came through, showed up and showed all, 24:25 they arrested the warden... 24:28 Mercy. The assistant warden. 24:29 Mercy. 24:31 And chief over all the officers, 24:34 all three of them for embarrassing. 24:37 Mercy. 24:38 They were taking all of the money, 24:40 we wasn't getting totally paid for, 24:43 you know checks pull up to the gate, 24:45 nobody have a check to give them 24:47 because they've now stolen the money. 24:49 They stole from the indigent fund, 24:52 they stole from the children's fund, 24:54 you know, where the children come down 24:56 and be with their mothers and... 24:58 So God comes through, He cleans up. 25:01 Two years and you get baptized? Yes. 25:03 But God had made you a promise 25:05 that if you got a foundation in Him, 25:06 even though you're looking at 20 years, 25:09 you'd be out in five? 25:10 Yes. 25:11 So tell us about year four, 25:16 day number 364, 25:18 just before this five year time period 25:20 would have terminated. 25:22 Went up for probation. 25:25 So no parole, so I talked to God, 25:27 I said, "So what am I supposed to do?" 25:29 You know, he took me to, 25:32 when they hang you up to be persecuted, 25:36 in that hour I'll give you what you need to say. 25:39 Yes, yes, yes. 25:42 So everybody is sitting waiting to go see 25:44 the parole people, parole warden. 25:47 And when I get in there, 25:48 there was this two nice white guys, you know. 25:51 First one would say, "What do you want to do?" 25:52 I said, "I want to go home." 25:54 They said, "Well, what do you want to do 25:55 other than that?" 25:57 I said, "I just want to go home." 25:59 Here come the tears. 26:00 And he said, "Oh, just calm, please, don't cry." 26:03 But he said, "But this girl has, 26:06 you have 84 months on you girl. 26:10 And I cried, I said, "I just want to go home." 26:12 He's like, "Okay, don't worry about this." 26:15 He said, "I'm gonna take this home over the weekend." 26:18 And he said, "And I'm good." 26:20 He said, "I'm gonna fix this paper up, you'll be going. 26:23 Not straight home but you'll be going." 26:26 So four weeks later, 26:30 they called me up to give me my, 26:34 tell me whether I got it or not. 26:37 And I was sitting there so nervous 26:39 and then they called me into the room, 26:41 they said, "Have a seat miss... 26:44 Yeah. How you doing?" 26:47 I said, "I'm good, I'm good." I said, "What's up?" 26:50 They said, "Oh, you know..." 27:00 Tears start. 27:01 He said, "Miss, you may parole." 27:03 Mercy. 27:06 I thank you Jesus, from the time I left that room, 27:09 all the way out on the ground and I'm crying and blowing 27:13 as there's somebody going to shut my door, 27:16 they said, "Miss Wilhemina, what's wrong, 27:19 what's wrong?" 27:20 I said, "I'm ready, I got parole, I got parole, 27:24 thank you Jesus, thank you Jesus, 27:25 thank you Jesus." 27:26 I went to my house and unit, 27:28 sitting up near the window just thanking Jesus, 27:31 telling everybody, you get there too, 27:33 I said, all you got to do is ask Jesus. 27:37 I said, when you walk out of this gate, 27:40 take Him with you. 27:41 'Cause if you leave Him here, you are coming right back. 27:44 Mercy. 27:46 And so you get out. I left. 27:49 I left. 27:51 No shackle, no handcuff... 27:53 And I went to halfway house like, 27:57 you know, my counselor there, 28:03 "Oh, Miss Cobb, you are going?" 28:05 I said, "Yeah." 28:07 but they tell me, 28:08 you know, I had to stay here at least a couple of years, 28:10 she said, "Miss Cobb, no, no, no, no." 28:12 She said, "You are leaving at the end of this month." 28:16 I said "What?" 28:17 I said, "But you know I have to get a permission 28:22 to leave Maryland and go back to DC." 28:26 She said, "Oh, oh." 28:27 She said, "They didn't do that down in Chester." 28:29 I said, "No." 28:30 I said, "And I told you that when I first got here, 28:33 you know." 28:35 She was like, "Just stay there." 28:39 And she said, "Oh, no." 28:41 She said, if I have to do that, she said, 28:43 "You're gonna be here another five month." 28:46 She said, "Find the way to get there." 28:49 You know, just tell them 28:51 give my Maryland address and go home. 28:53 So I got my sister-in-law's address, 28:56 I got out of there. 28:58 So that was years ago. Yes. 29:00 And you were able to testify and give people the admonition 29:07 that they needed to take Christ with them when they left, 29:11 what does God have, just real quick, 29:13 have you gone back to the prison? 29:15 No, not yet. Are you planning on going back? 29:17 Yes, I do. Why haven't you gone back yet? 29:19 I'm still on parole. 29:20 And so when you're off the parole, 29:21 what you're gonna do? 29:23 I'm gonna get into prison ministries. 29:25 Wilhemina, we thank you for being with us 29:27 and yours has truly been not just a good journey 29:31 but we see how God led you. 29:34 Thank you so much for being with us. |
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