Welcome to the New Journey, a
program about real-life people
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with real-life testimonies doing
real-life ministry for Jesus
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Christ. I'm your host,
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The New Journey.
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In the book of Revelation Jesus
warns that people will be called
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or trying to be called something
that they are not. How would you
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feel to be falsely accused of
a crime? Well, our guest today,
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Wesley Shaw, had just such an
experience. Wesley, how are you
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doing today? Fine, thank you.
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Great, great. Now tell me first
and foremost tell us a little
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bit about yourself. Just tell us
who you are. I am Elder Wesley
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A. Shaw from
Jamaica. The Big Island?
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Yes, call it the beautiful
island of Jamaica. Almost 23
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years ago. I presently serve as
one of the elders of the Willow
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Seventh-day Adventist Church.
I also serve as the personal
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ministry director. I serve
as the chaplain for the men's
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ministry for the Delaware Valley
and I am a part of the men's
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ministry. So you're
wearing a lot of hats?
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Yes. OK, so, that's who you are.
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Let's talk about where you been
23 years ago. Twenty-three years
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ago an incident happened that
changed your life on the isle of
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Jamaica. Tell us a
little bit about that incident.
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Well, it was really in my
20's when I was in my early 20s.
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Well, let's just pretend
that was 20 years ago. (laughs)
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Yes, OK. I was driving and I
was pulled over by the cop and
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he took me to the station and I
was falsely accused of something
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that I was not guilty of. I
guess he had some family problem
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and because of that he treated
me very bad. And after I went to
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court and the court trial, it
was thrown out. And because of
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that, I don't know what was on
his mind, he committed suicide.
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Wait, wait, before you say that,
now that's interesting, I like
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to paint a picture. So, so we
have a young man who's driving
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the road in Jamaica, having
a good time, enjoying his life.
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Now were you Christian
before this? Were you Christian
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at that time.
Yeah, I was a Christian.
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OK, so you were already
Christian. You're driving along
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the road, you're having
fun doing whatever you're doing
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and you're pulled over and the
police officer pulls you over
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and falsely accuses you of a
crime. And I don't know if this
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is personal, what crime was
that What did he accuse you of?
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Well he said I was driving a
truck and my license says car,
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but it was a small truck
which was equivalent to a car.
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OK, so, the semantics is real?
Yes. OK, so, you're driving the
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car, you're falsely accused
and how long did the trial last?
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How long was it that you
were walking around wearing the
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clothes of a guilty man? Was it
a significant amount of time or
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just a short time.
It was like two weeks.
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OK, so, two weeks you're walking
around and the world and the
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people around you believe, based
on the word of this man, that
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you were a guilty man? Yes.
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OK, so, now you go to court and
you're exonerated. Tell us about
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that feeling. Ah, it
was a good feeling when I
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was dismissed. In fact, the
judge asked me if what I was
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doing, if I was guilty. I say,
your honor, I don't think so. He
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said why didn't you check your
road, your road code book, your
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manual to see whether... and I
say I checked it and he said OK,
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first time you come in here, you
are free to go, because he found
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out that what he was telling me
was not in the book. So he had
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to free me. Right,
right. So, you had lived
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a life, a Christian life up
to this point, which contributes
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to the fact that when you go
before the judge, he's able to
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exonerate you for the simple
fact that there was nothing
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there before, there were no
priors or anything like that.
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No, nothing. Because
had you had some priors
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there might have been a
different story. (laughs)
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It might have been a
different story, yes.
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So after this, subsequently, the
guy who accuses you, do you ever
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see him again? No, he
treated me very bad in
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the station. And shortly after
the dismissal of the court, he
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committed suicide. And
that is a big part of this
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story. Let's delve a little
deeper into what we consider bad
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treatment. Bad treatment is
relative. So, so what happened
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in this altercation when you
were taken down to the station?
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Share with us, if you don't
mind, a little about this bad
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treatment that you refer to.
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At first he asked me, do you
have anyone to bail you, sir?
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I said yes. I called my boss
because I was on my way to work.
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So my boss was asking me, what's
wrong? He came and he took the
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phone from me forcefully. Give
me this phone. This belongs to
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the government not you. So,
you know, I felt very bad and at
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that time he took my belt, my
shoe laces, everything because
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I was ready to be put in jail.
And suddenly my boss turned up,
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which he wasn't very far away.
So he turned up and he posted
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the bail and I was
free, I didn't go in the cell.
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(Laughs) This definitely tips
your hand having not had any
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experiences with the law before.
One of the things I remember
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one of the times when I was
incarcerated, believe it or not,
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the pastor was at one
point not a pastor and had been
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incarcerated. The first thing
they did when they remanded me
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into custody was they removed
my shoe laces and they removed
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my belt. Now at the time I
was wondering, this is a strange
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practice. Why are you taking
my belt and my shoe laces. So I
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asked the CO, the correctional
officer, who was there at the
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moment at the station with me.
I said, why do you guys remove
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the shoe strings and the belt?
And you know what they said?
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They said, the amount of people
who commit suicide after being
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remanded to custody was through
the roof. So do ensure that no
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one commits suicide the first
thing they do when they put you
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into custody is they remove
your shoe strings, your belt and
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anything that you could possibly
hang yourself with. And so, here
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the officer is forcibly removing
your shoe strings and forcibly
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removing your belt from you
and in his mind he's probably
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thinking he's doing the right
thing, but he's not doing it in
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the right way, because, again
he has you pegged as a guilty
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man. Right. And so, after you're
exonerated, you're let out of
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jail you say you don't see
him again. When did you find out
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about this suicide? When
did you find out about that?
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Ah, a couple weeks later my boss
took the paper to me and showed
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it to me because it was in the
newspaper, that this same man,
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and he said you remember that
guy that was treating you so
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bad? Here is his picture. In
fact, he went on the roof of the
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station and shot himself
up there. Oh wow! On the roof
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of the same station. So you
know I felt so bad that it's a
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possibility that innocent
people might be in jail there.
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OK so, when you heard and
your boss showed you that indeed
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the officer who pulled you over
and falsely accused you had now
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committed suicide on the
roof of the police station,
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internally, us a little bit
about what you were experiencing
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internally. As a young man,
you're feeling guilty because
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maybe some how, some way, he's
done this because of his poor
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treatment of you. Tell us a
little bit about what you were
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feeling at that moment.
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I felt very bad because I said
to myself, maybe I could witness
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to him _ because I
started witnessing from a very
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early age. So that was inside
of me. So I say I wish I have
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the opportunity to just get
a moment to tell him something
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about Christ and that's not
all bad. And it can be fixed,
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whatever is there that's messed
up it can be fixed. But I felt
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very bad. OK, OK
and so then you feel bad
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and what is your first action
after you come to some sort of
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grips and understanding that
wow, this may have happened as a
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result of me. And not only that
but also there may be some other
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young men in prison, in
jail who are there but they're
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falsely accused. What
were your first actions?
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My first action? I tried to get
in the prison ministry because I
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want to see what's happening
in there. I thought you know
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I've heard so many
different things but you want to
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experience it for yourself by
going in there. I tried, but it
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did not work. So what I set out
to do was to do some evangelism.
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So I went to my church elder
and I asked him how can I get in
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this evangelistic program. So
I was sent to a ministry. I was
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sent to this institute where you
would get some training and you
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could become a
layman evangelist.
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A lay evangelist.
Yeah, a lay evangelist. So I
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took up the challenge and I
went and not very many weeks
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after, I started to preach.
In fact, I did my first crusade
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because I went to this church
and I was asked to speak at the
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church. But the elder that
invited me did not know that the
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pastor was coming there that
day because he had several other
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churches. So he turned up
too. So he came to me and said I
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heard you were invited here
to preach, but I'm here. Can we
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work this thing out. I say yeah
you're the pastor, you preach.
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I could do the prayer for you.
He said, OK, we'll do it like
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that. So I went up and I did the
opening prayer. After the prayer
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after the sermon and all that he
called the other elders of the
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church. Of course, I was just
visiting. And he called me in
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the pastor's study and he
said I have to confess something
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to you guys. The prayer
that this man prayed reaches the
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audience more that the sermon
that I preach. How would you
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like to be a
crusade in this church.
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Wow, wow! And this is another
aspect of your testimony that
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resonates with me. I too, after
becoming a Christian, someone
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approached me about going off
to be trained and I was trained
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for a short period of time
working at the Amazing Facts
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Center of Evangelism and from
there the Lord led me into a
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life of ministry and so again
the point that is very, very
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important, that I don't think
anyone should miss is here you
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were falsely accused. Now I know
a lot of young men who they're
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pulled over by the police. They
are falsely accused. They know
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they're not guilty of whatever
they're being accused of and
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instead of doing what you
did, which is going on the right
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track, they take that as an
opportunity in the charge to do
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the wrong thing even more.
So here we have in your story,
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Elder Shaw, a beautiful
illustration of what to do even
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when you're falsely accused.
You don't wear the guilty man's
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clothes. No. You don't wear
the guilty man's clothes. So you
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made the decision at that moment
not to behave, act and think
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like a guilty man. But rather
to walk in a new life and a new
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path where now... Tell
us what you're doing now.
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Well, right now I did not
get the opportunity to go into
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prison ministry in Jamaica. So
when I got here, shortly after
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I got here, I was a member
of the Germantown Seventh-day
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Adventist church in Philadelphia
They have this prison ministry
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thing going. Right away I
join in. So I'm in this prison
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ministry over 22 years now. And
I have gone to the prison many
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times. Going there I have seen
pastors there in prison, deacons
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elders in prison and I mean this
thing shocked the... it was very
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amazing and shocking. I say
what these people are doing in
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here. Because being the first
time going to the prison, I
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didn't know about elders
and pastors and deacons were in
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prison. So this was an
opportunity for me to share good
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news to people even behind bars.
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So you're going into the
prison system and you're able to
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witness to people who some may
have been falsely accused, but
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others have been
rightly accused Yes, yes.
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What has that experience been
like? Tell us some of the things
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that you've seen in your tenure
in prison ministries, tell us
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some of the things that you've
seen behind bars and you're back
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there ministering to people who
maybe have been falsely accused
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but others who have been rightly
accused? Tell us some of the
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things that you've seen.
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Well, there was one remarkable
thing that happened. It was
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during the month of February,
which America celebrates as
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black history month. OK. So
when I went in there that night,
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there were some other people
which were supposed to be there
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but for some reason they did not
turn up. I guess because of the
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bad weather and all that, they
did not turn up. So I ended up
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being in the prison with 123
inmates, sitting before, I being
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the only person present to
minister to them. And that night
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I decided that, in fact, I had
this already planned to preach
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about Shem, Ham and Japheth,
about the story of what happened
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there. And to cut a long
story short, when I finished
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presenting that story, because
people have it all twisted up at
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times about what happened there
and who people become black and
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all that. So when I finished
presenting that, the story of
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Shem, Ham and Japheth and
Noah with the grape and the
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curse and all that, I have
those men, I'm talking about all
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different race, color and creed
line up and came to me and shook
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me, some hugged me and said
for the first time we really
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understand what those
illustration or what the three
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boys there meant. For the first
time we understood it clearly.
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Because we were having it a
different way and all that. So
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you know I was very surprised
the way they acted but when God
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is in the lead in there, there
is absolutely no fear because he
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takes over. Yes,
yes. So you've seen prison
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inmates. You've see their eyes
open to the beauty of the gospel
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You've see them get a new take
and a new spin on an old story.
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How has this affected some
lives. Can you tell us about
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maybe a life that you
have touched and impacted
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individually that you have seen
or that you have found yourself
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going back to and having
some... Have you had those
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experiences? Well
from that group, from that
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group a lot of them decided that
they wanted to take their step,
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the stand, rather, for Christ.
We had a baptism there, this
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was in Philadelphia.
We had a baptism...
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Wait a minute, wait a minute.
Are you telling me that you went
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into the prison, you preached to
some people in prison and then
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they requested Bible studies?
Yes. And then requested baptism?
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Yes. And so,
Elder Shaw, you are in
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the prison system. I want
to make sure that we have this
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clear. Yes. You're in the prison
preaching? Uh huh. Doing Bible
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studies? Yes.
And even baptizing?
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Yeah, we baptized 24 people...
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Twenty-four people!? ...
people on Sunday morning.
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My lord, my lord. So 24 inmates
are able to walk in newness of
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life? Yes. Even though they're
in prison, they can see the
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light of the glory of the gospel
of Jesus Christ. They can see
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that in the prison system
because the Lord is using you
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behind bars and 24 inmates come
to Christ. How did that make you
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feel? You feel
like you were elevated,
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like you are going like on a
different level. But this was
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not about me really. This
was about the man, Christ Jesus.
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That's it, that's it.
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Because we have it sometimes
twisted. Nothing is really about
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us, it's about Christ. Yes.
Because he was the one that came
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and bridged that gap so that
we could walk to the other side.
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Yeah, yeah. And
because of his stripes we
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are healed. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So, of the 24, have you
established any personal
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relationships and maintained
contact with any of those 24
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inmates?
Unfortunately no, because I have
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moved to a different area. This
was in Philadelphia, but now I'm
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in Willow Grove, which is the
Montgomery County so I go to the
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Montgomery County prison.
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So everywhere you go you're
going to the prison looking
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for... looking amongst the
possibly rightly accused, the
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falsely accused, but showing
them that irrespective of what
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they've been accused of, whether
rightly or falsely, that there
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is a Man that died for them on
Calvary. Yes. So, tell us about
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some of your experiences
in the Montgomery County jail.
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Well, I love to go
there. Occasionally my wife, she
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accompanies me to the prison.
She don't like it very much, but
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sometimes. She hates to hear
those gates, you know, slam as
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you go out or coming in. So
occasionally she would go with
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me to the prison and we sing
together. We sing duets every
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where we go. So whenever she
comes she does the song service
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for me and she would do other
stuff like the testimonies and
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all that and we would sing
together. So it's a blessing
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to have her coming to the
prison with me whenever she can.
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And those people like good
singing and we organized choir
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in there. We organize people
that write poems. We give them
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the opportunity to do what
they want to do. So we get them
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involved, organize them.
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Right, right. So you had...
And this is incredible and I
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think that our audience needs
to know this. Because Jesus
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warns us, Jesus warns... and
I may harp on this a little bit
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on this show, but Jesus warns
us that one of the things that
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will qualify us for eternal
damnation, if you will, or
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damnation and eternal separation
excuse me, from Jesus Christ
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is our inability to recognize
the needs of others. He said
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Lord you didn't feed me,
you didn't clothe me, you didn't
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give me water to drink, you
didn't shelter me, you didn't
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visit me in prison. And they
say Master when did we see these
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things and he says as much as
you did it not to the least of
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these my brethren shows you
didn't do it unto me. And many
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of us because of the way we
are organized as a denomination
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we're looking for the Elder
Shaws to go inside the prisons
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for us and bring us back the
testimonies. There is a charge
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that's been laid on each and
every one of us that we should
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visit Christ as often as we can
wherever we can find him and not
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just depend on the Elder
Shaws to do the prison ministry.
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And so what would you say...
Say for instance right now
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you're looking and this is being
broadcast in a church or in many
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churches across the division
and across the world even.
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What would you say if you could
look into the camera right here
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and speak to the church, speak
to the body of Christ, about the
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importance of going into the
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prisons where you have seen men
take Bible studies, where you
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have seen men baptized, where
you have seen people organize
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into choirs, what would you say
to a church? I want you to look
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in this camera over my shoulder
and I want you to now speak
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your heart to the church
and tell them the importance of
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prison ministries.
What I need to explain to
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everyone across this nation.
The last time I checked, on this
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planet we have approximately
6.8 billion people and every 42
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people on this planet one is in
prison. In America alone we have
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approximately 2.3 million people
behind bars. When we check it,
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a lot of those people are
innocent. And I'm just saying
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to America, I'm just saying
to the whole world, God loves
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people wherever they are. If you
are behind the bar iron curtain,
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if you are... wherever, if you
rich or poor, God specializes
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in people. Not so much your
qualification or your status,
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or what you have, but in people.
And people right now are in
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prison waiting for you to come
and visit them. They need to
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see you. They need to see people
and often times I go in prison
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because I was there the other
day and this lady, I went to the
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female section. Not every often
but for some reason they asked
00:23:03.41\00:23:08.55
me to go there this time. This
lady was crying her soul out
00:23:08.58\00:23:13.92
because she wanted to call her
daughter which was celebrating
00:23:13.96\00:23:19.03
her birthday out there, and
she could not because she had to
00:23:19.06\00:23:24.77
give some special benefits to
the wardens in order for her to
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call her daughter and she was
crying and we went on. So I was
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telling those people that some
of us that are out here is that
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because we don't get caught
yet why we are not in there with
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you. So don't feel bad that
you are the worst and in God's
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domain there is no step children
and in God's domain there is no
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illegitimate child. God loves
us all. God loves us equally and
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let me just advise you out there
that we need to take time out of
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our busy schedule and realize
that God loves people. God's
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people are in the prison and
we need to sometimes get up from
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watching the television. We
need to sometimes get up from
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watching all those things on
television because people are
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dying out there and I just
admonishing you to take time
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out and visit the prison and
one day when Jesus Christ will
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ride on the clouds in his skies
and gravity will lose its power
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and we'll be caught up to meet
the Lord in the air, somebody's
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gonna look and say it was
because of your visit to the
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prison why I'm here today.
So do it and you will love it.
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My lord, my lord. So we have
gotten our message across to
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the people that we think should
be going to the prison. Just in
00:25:04.83\00:25:09.40
one minute, one minute, one
minute, right now someone in
00:25:09.44\00:25:14.44
prison is watching this show.
Right now someone in prison.
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And you said a lot. But I want
you in one minute, right now,
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just to speak to the heart of
the person who may be watching
00:25:22.58\00:25:26.55
this in prison. I'm
just saying to you, my
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brothers, my sisters, God loves
you and his love is everlasting.
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The Bible says past finding out.
And what you need to do is to
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pray, pray without ceasing and
ask God to direct your path and
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remember yesterday is history,
tomorrow is a mystery, but
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remember today is a gift. That's
why we call it the "present. "
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So do what you're supposed to do
because remember that his eyes
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is still on the sparrows and he
watches over you and he watches
00:26:12.10\00:26:17.47
over us right here. So do it
God's way and God will take care
00:26:17.51\00:26:22.88
of you. And even
they can Dare to Dream.
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Hallelujah. Amen. So
the reality is again here we
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have in Elder Sharp a young
man, enjoying life. One day
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interrupted, interrupted
it would seem, at that moment,
00:26:34.72\00:26:40.43
by the enemy. Pulled over in
your car. Police officer pulls
00:26:40.46\00:26:44.97
you out and accuses you of
a crime that you're not guilty
00:26:45.00\00:26:49.20
of. He takes you down to the
station, roughhouses you, gives
00:26:49.24\00:26:54.21
a hard time and you're let out
and for two weeks you're walking
00:26:54.24\00:26:58.65
around wondering will the court
believe his word over mine.
00:26:58.68\00:27:03.42
Will they believe him, will my
freedom be compromised. And sure
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enough, because there was
nothing in your past that could
00:27:08.22\00:27:11.96
be held against you the judge
let you go free. At that moment,
00:27:11.99\00:27:15.43
you determine that what you're
going to do is walk the straight
00:27:15.46\00:27:18.87
and narrow. You're going to
forget those things which are
00:27:18.90\00:27:21.80
behind and you're going to press
toward the mark of the high
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calling that is in Christ Jesus.
Yes. You're going to go into the
00:27:24.74\00:27:27.31
prisons. You going to look for
people like yourself that were
00:27:27.34\00:27:29.84
falsely accused, but while
you're there you're going to
00:27:29.88\00:27:32.85
speak to those who have been
rightly accused. And God has
00:27:32.88\00:27:35.62
blessed in such a way
that you've seen people come to
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Christ in baptism through Bible
studies. Men who are criminals,
00:27:38.35\00:27:42.26
hardened, form together to
make a choir. I'd say this was
00:27:42.29\00:27:47.10
truly a miracle. And someone
today has been touched and I
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believe they will dare to dream.
They will dare to dream while
00:27:51.93\00:27:55.20
they're in bars and incarcerated
of what life will be if they
00:27:55.24\00:27:58.47
were free and they may
even realize as a result of this
00:27:58.51\00:28:01.88
television program that even
though they're incarcerated,
00:28:01.91\00:28:05.21
they are free in Jesus Christ.
And so this is what I would say
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to you at home. God Bless You
and continue to Dare to Dream.
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