Welcome to the New Journey, a
program about real life people
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with real life testimonies doing
real life ministry for Jesus
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Christ. I'm your host,
Pastor Marquis Johns. Join us on
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The New Journey.
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What a declaration Jesus Christ
makes. Man doeth not live by
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bread alone, but by every word
that proceeds from the mouth of
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God. Today in studio we have
two ladies that prove that...
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No, their ministry is one where
they're baking bread and they're
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putting the word out and winning
souls to Christ using a bread
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baking machine. Leanne, Erica,
it's nice to have you with us
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here on New Journey. Now
we're going to start off with
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something just very simple. I'm
going to tell you who I am. No,
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you guys are going
to tell me who you are.
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Erica, Leanne, let's start with
you Leanne. OK. Tell us a little
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bit about yourself, where
you're from, just real quick.
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I'm from Madison, Indiana. I've
got four children under the age
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of eight and a husband. We've
been married almost 10 years.
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OK, OK, Erica.
Madison, Indiana. I have six
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children. Married 10 years.
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OK, well you guys have a
lot in common. Maybe that's what
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brought you together.
So, Leanne, let's start with
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you. So, 10 years of marriage,
10 years of marriage, four kids
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under eight. Tell me a little
bit about your upbringing,
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tell me a little bit
about your upbringing.
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I was raised in Denver, Colorado
and my mother and my father
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divorced when I was two. So
through the course of my life
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I've had a couple different
fathers and our family is
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pieced together, I have four
brothers, they weren't all blood
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relations. Right,
right. So, let me ask a
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question. When the divorce
happened, who did you stay with?
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Did you stay with mom,
or did you stay with dad?
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My mother. OK.
Erica, tell us a little bit
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about yourself. Who are
you and where are you from?
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I'm from Xenia,
Indiana. A little bit about your
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upbringing? My
mother and father divorced
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when I was two as well. My mom
remarried shortly thereafter and
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this gentleman adopted us. I
had a sister living at home as
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well and he adopted us
children and raised us.
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OK, OK. You know the more
and more you guys talk the more
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similarities I'm seeing: the
age, the years of marriage, the
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children, the upbringing, the
divorce. I mean, I'm beginning
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to see God's hand all over this.
Have you guys talked about this
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before? No. No. No?
This is the first time
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you're talking about this.
So, OK, so, just about two years
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ago, a little over two years ago
Leanne, the Lord interrupts life
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for you and the next thing you
know you're fully involved in
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the ministry. Tell us
a little bit about this.
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Well when we went through a
prophecy seminar immediately
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my heart was just broken
realizing that God is real,
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there is a Savior. I'd always
searched for him and wanted to
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believe in God but we were
taught evolution in school.
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Why would God care about people
on this earth. There's probably
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lots of life forms out there. It
felt really arrogant to believe
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in a God that cared about us on
this earth in all of space and
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time and it was too much for
my mind to comprehend. But after
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the prophecy seminar when we
learned about Daniel and all the
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prophecies, God was real. I
mean, the Bible just opened...
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the Holy Spirit opened my mind
and I knew that he was real and
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it was just like a father
embracing you for the first
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time. You knew him
but you knew him not.
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So, here is one of the struggles
that I've had with the way that
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I've heard Daniel presented
in the past. It's that there's a
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personal element that seems to
be compromised, if you will. You
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were able to get from this
prophecy seminar that God is
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real and he cares about you as
an individual. I know the story.
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We all know the story and as
a preacher let me tell you, as a
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preacher I'm saying something
but God is taking that something
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and it's hitting you with
something completely different.
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So, what I want you to do is
give me what was this prophecy
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seminar, what was God saying
through the story of Daniel
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specifically to you irrespective
of the preacher. He's doing
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rah, rah, rah, I'm preaching,
I'm preaching but God is saying
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something specifically to
you. What was God saying to you,
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Leanne? Come out
from the dead. I was
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dead. I realized I was a dead
man walking and he had life to
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offer. And I realized that a lot
of things in our life needed to
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change. Our children
were young and this was the
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opportunity to really regroup
and reorganize and change some
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the dirt in our life.
OK, so, was your husband
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attending this seminar with you?
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Praise the Lord, he did.
The first three days were the
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Master Your Life seminar which
I attended by myself. Then I
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told him this guy's really good.
You need to come with me and
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normally he's not too big about
being dragged out to things like
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that but God's hand was in
it and he came and we were able
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both to be on the same page
in our lives. Not everybody has
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that, the husband
and wife together.
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Right, right. So appeal comes
for baptism you and the husband
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get baptized?
Interestingly enough two years
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before, actually in 2005, we'd
been baptized because we were
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searching for a Baptist church.
I made a decision to be baptized
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he went ahead was baptized with
me and nothing changed after
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that baptism. The Bible stayed
on the shelf and got dusty. We
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went to church, had our donuts
and coffee and the children ran
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around with all their candy and
we'd go home and just something
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was missing. I mean, it just
was missing. So this time was
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different. This
time is there a rebaptism
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or...? I did make a choice for
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rebaptism. I felt like the Lord
was moving in that direction.
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My husband came into the
church on profession of faith.
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OK, OK. So, the kids now...
Again, this is just a little bit
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of background because Erica's
going to come into play in a
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little while. So, we got the
kids. The husband is supportive
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You guys are now seeing some
things that need to be changed.
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We need to take the Bible
off the shelf and our coffee and
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donuts are no longer good? What
happened? Tell me what happened?
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Well we learned the health
message which God's been leading
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me in that direction already
cause I didn't put a lot of
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sugar in my coffee. I never felt
comfortable with that at church.
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So, that was one good thing.
But on our way home from the
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prophecy series one night, my
husband, he drank a lot. But he
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was cracking open his beer and
my belly sunk and I said how can
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you even open that thing after
what we're hearing, after what
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we're learning. It didn't take
him very long but he would drink
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a case of beer in a couple days.
And it went away. The Lord took
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that out of our lives which was
a huge, amazing miracle and then
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it went on to other things.
We were just leaving them behind
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as we continued to climb.
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So, one of the things that
has really spoken to you, I'm
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assuming, based on the prophecy
seminar, typically one of the
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things that is shared in a
prophecy seminar, we highlight
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Daniel chapter 1. Daniel chapter
1 when he purposes not to defile
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himself with the portion of the
king's meat and wine. When you
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heard that, come
on walk us through it.
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It was beautiful. I just felt
like that it makes sense. What
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we put in our body affects the
brain and the more I study the
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brain afterward, the frontal
lobe and how the brain works
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and how the brain connects
and how experiences with our
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children and why
would we jeopardize?...
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Wait a minute, wait a minute.
You go from regular girl to a
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prophecy seminar
to studying the brain?
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A little bit. Not
a brain surgeon but
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I mean, but still even when you
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were saying, talking about,
I understand the concept of the
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synapse, the highway and
so forth and how they make
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impressions and habits. What
did that do for you and your
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family? I mean OK so, hubby
stops drinking the beer, we
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put away the coffee.
Why, why are you doing that?
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So the Lord can get a clear
channel. So we can give him
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everything we have. First
Corinthians, is it, chapter 9
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maybe second Corinthians, it's
a race. We're running. We need
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to be in training. That's
what I always call it with the
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children. We're in training,
guys. So when we get up in the
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morning if they don't understand
something, we're in training,
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we can't do that to our bodies
or we need to do this for our
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bodies. So, I'm
assuming with this
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concept that we're in training
you started doing some serious
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training. Tell us about this
training that you undertook.
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Last year about this time
we were introduced to the CHIP
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program. Of course, I'd learned
about NEWSTART a little bit.
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Let's just assume that
people listening don't know what
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NEWSTART is. NEWSTART
is a program that is an
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acronym for nutrition, exercise,
water, sunlight, temperance, air
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rest and trust in God.
That really struck home with me
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because the concepts are
nutrition is basic nutrition.
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These are all steps a person
can take without it costing them
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a lot of money and making
dramatic changes. So you start
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drinking water in the morning,
then you start walking, and then
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when you're bored walking you
get the MP-3 player so you can
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listen to all the good sermons
in the morning when you're
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walking and then you spend
the time with the Lord in the
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morning and with all these
changes together, the Lord,
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you give him something to
work with. You're giving him
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something to work with because
you're making a sacrifice.
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You're making a commitment.
And it's not just about looking
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good anymore. It's about
you're doing this for the Lord.
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As a clear channel. So, you do
the CHIP program. What's next?
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Because we're training,
we're training. So CHIP.
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We learned also early on, praise
the Lord, the importance of
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family. I ran a full time day
care at the time that we learned
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all this. I quickly got out
of that because I didn't have
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control over it. You know, when
you start taking the meat and
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the stuff out of the diet and
you run a day care, it doesn't
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really go over really well, so,
we got out of that. But, where
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was I? So, we got
out of the day care.
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CHIP, your training? So, you're
making some changes so tell me
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more about this training.
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OK. So, we as a family I
wanted to get the family closer
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together. There was something
about leaving the children at
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day care so that mommy can
go do ministry or daddy can
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go do ministry, I was really
convicted that we needed to stay
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together because they learn from
watching us. They need to be
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there with us so, we have a
family breadmaking class where
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we make the bread and the
children are actually making
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their own stuff. Then we go
through the NEWSTART principles
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while the bread is rising, while
bread is baking. But people love
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to make bread so it's not
controversial. It's something
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like to learn how to do.
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OK, so, now regular girl, 10
years of marriage, four kids,
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two-and-a-half years ago
has an experience with the Lord
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through a Daniel/Revelation
seminar. Here's Daniel 1, it's
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beautiful to her, she tells the
family we need to train. Hubby
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puts away the drinking and
we start training with the CHIP
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program. Family ministries is
a component and where does this
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concept of making bread come
from? Like you don't live by
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bread alone, what are
you doing, what's going on?
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That's good, but there's more
religion in a loaf of bread, I
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heard that one. So, my husband
actually learned that art
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through his sisters because
his mother was a big huge bread
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maker. He is actually the bread
maker in the family and I'm the
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jabber. I do NEWSTART power
point while he does the bread
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making and it works out really
good. Another thing that's
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interesting about our life is my
husband also is the big hunter.
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So, he had a deer processing
station right there at our house
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so, I never, ever thought that
the Lord would be able to get
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him to where he is now, but it
makes sense, it just makes sense
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Wow, Wow. OK so, now immediately
to your right it a young lady,
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Erica. You're baking bread. Did
you guys know each other before
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you're making bread. Like, tell
me a little about how you net
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Erica and then I want to get
Erica to just give us her story.
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So, how did you guys meet?
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Well, um, her husband now Lucas
has a marina and my husband was
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really wanting to play with
boats about 10 years ago so he
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went and befriended him and ever
since then they've been pretty
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good friends. He was actually
the best man in our wedding.
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So they got
married just after we did.
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So, Erica, you are a young lady,
small-town regular girl. Tell us
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your story. Tell us where
you came from, tell how this...
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because I'm hearing from her
she went to a Daniel/Revelation
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seminar. What happened for
you? How soon did it happen?
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Well I grew up going my
neighbor lady took us, my sister
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and I, a small town but a little
church next to our house and
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every Sunday I went to church
there. Wanted to kind of get out
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the house. Then when I turned
18 years old, I kind of reunited
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with my real father and he
was remarried to a lady that
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became best friends with
and started going to her church,
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it was a Methodist church right
down the road and really became
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quite close to the people
attending this church so it was
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like one big happy family. So
we'd still do our two hours on
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Sunday for the Lord and the
rest of the week we lived the
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way that we wanted to, not
serving the Lord. My Bible sat
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on the shelf as well, but I was
constantly having my children
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having their daily devotions
because I felt that was
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important that they needed their
time with the Lord although I
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didn't have time for that. So
then Leanne had come to us and
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was telling us about Leo
Schreven's seminar and I did not
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want to go at all, but...
I don't even remember how it
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started. She
was big into selling
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Pampered Chef and I was running
my day care. She said, I got to
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come over and show you what I
can do. And I thought, I've got
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all these children, I can't
talk about Pampered Chef. And I
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thought, Oh yes Lord. Come on
over and show me about Pampered
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Chef. Because I know that
Leo Schreven is getting ready to
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teach a three-day on how to make
your business flourish. So I'm
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thinking OK, so that's the end.
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Yes I did and I remember getting
over there and when she started
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telling me about her life change
I was like stop Pampered Chef;
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tell me more. We
didn't talk about Pampered
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Chef at all that day.
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And she told me about the
seminar getting ready to come
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and it was only in Columbus.
And I thought Columbus, oh man.
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She's like I went for nine days
straight or 12 days straight
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and well I'm not going to go
nine days straight. I'll go when
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I can but I'm not
going to do every day.
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OK so, you go how many days?
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Every day. Every day?
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I said let me watch your
children. I'll put them to bed
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and everything. So you
end up going every day?
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And you were recently baptized?
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Six weeks ago I was baptized.
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Six weeks ago, baptized? So
OK, so prophecy, six weeks ago
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baptized, bread making ministry.
Did you end up going into prison
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ministry
somehow, some way? Leanne.
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Yes Christmas Behind Bars came
and we were invited to come and
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help distribute the bags to
them. So we went to a women's
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correctional facility. It was
like on a Tuesday or Wednesday?
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On a Wednesday. And Lemuel's
really creative and he decided
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he would ask, Come on up here
and speak. And we were OK. So,
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we got up there and we
spoke. It was really an amazing
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experience because there's a
captive audience and those women
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you can speak freely because you
can tell what's on your heart
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and they want to hear it.
They want to hear these words of
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life. And it was just so...
It was an amazing experience.
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I also felt really weird sitting
up in front of them because
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they have them out there. And I
was like, they're here, they're
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on trial basically. But we
are too. It's like it felt like
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sinners talking to sinners and
when I got up and spoke I just
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told them I was like we look
like we've got it all together
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up here but we're all facing
a judgment day. We're all facing
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a court day. So don't think we
have it all together. But we all
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have hope. And the
beauty of the gospel is
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God communicated a perfect
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message through an imperfect
messangers. So, how are you guys
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now using this bread? Tell me
more about this bread ministry.
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The bread ministry, besides
the bread class, pretty much the
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bread ministry is my husband
makes the bread and I usually
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snatch a bunch of loaves
and give them away before he can
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catch me. He gets really
frustrated sometimes but he lets
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it slide because he knows.
But I put on the bread a cup of
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whatever, a cup of living water
and the love of Jesus. It's my
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little ingredients that just say
something like that. And then it
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says our name and to order
more. But we give that out at
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Christmas time or whenever he
makes bread and I want to give
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it to somebody. But the other
day we made some and we went
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to the library and my children
were acting up a little bit and
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the librarian helped calm the
children down and let me finish
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downloading some Ivor Meyers
on audio verse and I was like
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wow that was so kind and we
drove away. And I was like, Oh
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I had to turn around because
I remembered I had two fresh
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loaves of bread in the back and
I was like Oh yes Lord because
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before I left the house I said
I don't know who these are for
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Lord, but just tell me. Then I
left the library and I was like
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I gotta go back because one of
those breads was for that lady
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and I didn't get it. But
the Lord caught us and I took it
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back and she was, Oh it's still
warm, just stole her heart.
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But we forget to be
thankful. Sometimes we don't
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see Jesus. So
Erica. So the similar
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background but something is
telling me that there have been
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quite possibly a couple of
struggles on the way toward your
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baptism so tell me... Give
me a brief synopsis on what took
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place over the last 10
or so years, that you're now
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coming to Christ
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and then looking back. Hindsight
they say being 20/20. Tell us a
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little about those
10 years of marraige.
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My marriage? Well again we
went to church on Sunday for two
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hours. We put in our time and
then a lot of the time we'd come
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to church on Sunday, my
husband would come maybe with a
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hangover or not happy to be
there. And I wasn't any better.
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I just went and had fun. I just
maybe didn't do as much drinking
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but there were struggles because
we didn't have the word in our
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life. And we had a split family
so we raised all six of my
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children. My husband has two
from a previous marriage and I
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have two from a previous
marriage and we share two. So,
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we had obstacles on the outside,
you know, Satan trying to reach
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into our family. Anyway his
girls would go with their mother
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on some weekends and my
children's father had had a
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stroke so that was a little hard
to explain to them why these
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big things are happening.
But actually two years ago my
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daughters, two of my daughters
got baptized previous to my
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baptism and I thought the Lord
can use children and he did.
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You know I kept getting
questions: When are you guys
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going to get baptized, when are
you going to get baptized. And I
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did not want to get baptized
until I felt when I was ready to
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get baptized. But I knew
the Lord was using my children.
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Let me ask a question. What do
you feel were some of the road
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blocks preventing you from
making that decision? The Bible
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says the young shall lead.
So, what were some of the road
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blocks, some of the things that
finally were moved out of the
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way six weeks ago.
What were some of those?
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It was Steps to Christ. My lord.
00:20:45.14\00:20:46.84
Well when I first was introduced
to it, I believe you put it in
00:20:46.88\00:20:52.81
my vehicle. Who in the world put
this in here? Tossed it to the
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side. Then about a year later
I picked it up and read chapters
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one and two and I thought this
is the most boringest book I've
00:21:01.92\00:21:06.06
ever read in my life. I
put it down. Then we were
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faithfully attending our church
on Wednesday night Bible study
00:21:09.96\00:21:16.77
and we had a prophecy study
on prophecy. My friend had said,
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you know when I read that book
it wasn't just about... usually
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when I read a book it's usually
about the author and I'm usually
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drawn closer to the author. She
said when I read Steps to Christ
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I was lead straight to Jesus
Christ and my relationship with
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him strengthened. So, I said man
I really ought to pick that book
00:21:35.76\00:21:39.39
back up. And then
another gentleman in our church
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Wednesday night said you have to
pray for insight. You can't just
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pick up a book, especially like
this, and then be touched by the
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Spirit. And I said, I gotta
go home. Well I immediately went
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home and I did not read chapters
one and two again, I already did
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that. And I started on three and
I could not get enough of this
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book and I read it completely to
the end and it changed my life.
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Tell me some of the tangible
ways that it changed your life.
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Because I had such a struggle
with forgiveness because of my
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past and I was holding onto that
and I knew I had to release that
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and I did with Jesus's help. All
I can say is that he released me
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from it. Actually my kids and
I made a list of forgiveness to
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and from, who I need to forgive
and who I needed forgiveness
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from. And once I made that list
and then with Jesus's help I
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pray every day Jesus
please guide me to who I need to
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forgive. I may not even need
to approach them personally but
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help me to forgive them. Not
that my list is completed at all
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but once I felt like I could do
that with his help, I felt like
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I was released and it was time.
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So, forgiveness was the road
block to you truly experiencing
00:22:59.67\00:23:04.95
Jesus Christ? Yes it was.
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Now this is going to be a
little personal, who were some
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of the people you felt
like you needed to forgive?
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My mom. So on
that list was she the
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first person or the last person
on the list? How do you feel
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seeing... After struggling
because sometimes you have this
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anger for long, this lack of
forgiveness for so long, that
00:23:35.01\00:23:38.65
you... I mean you forget where
it began. You forget and it
00:23:38.68\00:23:42.08
begins with this person and when
you come to that realization,
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because I had to make a similar
list. I had to make a similar
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list. I preached a sermon once
called Forgiveness is Forgiving.
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And I'm here preaching this
thing, blah, blah, blah and the
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Lord tells me the same thing.
How are you going to preach love
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how are you going to preach
forgiveness when you haven't
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forgiven your mother? See
I was brought out by my mom.
00:23:57.67\00:24:00.27
My mom was a gang member, my mom
raised us to be gang members.
00:24:00.34\00:24:03.54
She gave me drugs and alcohol
as early as I could remember and
00:24:03.57\00:24:06.91
it wasn't until I came to grips
with this, I needed to list the
00:24:06.98\00:24:10.25
people that I have to forgive. I
wrote that down. I was going to
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shrinks and stuff and they were
saying you hate your mother.
00:24:12.78\00:24:15.92
Where are you guys getting that
from? She wasn't even in my mind
00:24:15.95\00:24:20.59
a factor. So then coming to that
realization that I needed to
00:24:20.62\00:24:26.90
forgive my mom. Wow, I mean
words can't express. So when you
00:24:26.93\00:24:31.27
got ready to write that list
and you realized that one of the
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first names was
00:24:35.67\00:24:37.37
your mother's name, did
you experience some liberation
00:24:37.41\00:24:41.48
writing that name down? It
was hard, hard to write it.
00:24:41.51\00:24:45.51
I didn't realize that I had such
hatred and anger towards her.
00:24:45.55\00:24:50.59
But I can, I mean, I know
why and I totally not only do we
00:24:50.62\00:24:55.22
have to forgive, we have to
forget to be changed. So there
00:24:55.29\00:24:59.83
was a lot that I had to let go.
We now have a relationship and I
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know the Lord is
using me to win her.
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So, here's the consistent,
although it wasn't as prevalent
00:25:09.20\00:25:14.31
with Leanne. There's this
divorce, this upbringing where
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there's a fractured, fragmented
family and so for me there are
00:25:19.38\00:25:23.22
some young ladies out
there right now who are probably
00:25:23.25\00:25:26.25
struggling with the same things.
Maybe they're regular girls, but
00:25:26.29\00:25:29.46
maybe they're struggling with
I need to forgive my mom. I want
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you to look at this camera over
my shoulder and I want you to
00:25:32.29\00:25:36.16
speak to the Erica that you were
seven weeks ago. Because she's
00:25:36.20\00:25:40.00
out there and she's
listening to this. Speak to her.
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We cannot do it on our own.
For a long time I tried and I
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struggled. I was trying to
fill that void that nothing else
00:25:47.51\00:25:53.15
could. With the help of Jesus
Christ I have forgiven a lot of
00:25:53.18\00:25:58.82
people and I he's
completely changed my life.
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And you believe that maybe, just
maybe, the silent witness, Ellen
00:26:03.49\00:26:09.76
White speaks in this book
of being a silent witness. You
00:26:09.80\00:26:13.90
never know. I remember
doing literature evangelism, my
00:26:13.94\00:26:17.97
customer, you know if you just
buy this book you never know the
00:26:18.04\00:26:19.87
impact it could have. You may
leave it in the back seat of a
00:26:19.94\00:26:21.94
car and two years later someone
picks... And here you are right
00:26:22.01\00:26:24.01
in front of me being the
realization of me telling
00:26:24.05\00:26:26.21
someone that exact story. So,
what I hear you saying is first
00:26:26.25\00:26:31.32
and foremost, come to Christ.
Christ will help you and show
00:26:31.35\00:26:36.12
you who you need to forgive and
then when you can extend that
00:26:36.16\00:26:40.93
forgiveness there's a
liberating affect, there's
00:26:40.96\00:26:45.00
something that happens, the
weight that is lifted off the
00:26:45.03\00:26:48.80
shoulders makes you feel today
that you a completely different
00:26:48.87\00:26:53.38
person than you
were eight weeks ago.
00:26:53.41\00:26:56.21
Yes, but something else I need
to say is we don't need to clean
00:26:56.24\00:26:58.65
ourselves before we come.
We need to just come and he'll
00:26:58.68\00:27:01.18
clean us. Leanne do
you have anything on
00:27:01.22\00:27:03.28
that? We'd all be
in trouble if that
00:27:03.35\00:27:05.42
was the case.
00:27:05.45\00:27:06.79
The Bible says,
Behold I stand at
00:27:06.82\00:27:12.09
the door and knock. If any man
hear my voice and I come in, I
00:27:12.13\00:27:15.66
will sup with him and he
with me. This is the interesting
00:27:15.70\00:27:19.50
about that. If you notice first
Jesus says he's knocking, but
00:27:19.53\00:27:23.47
notice the knocking. But then he
said if you hear my voice. See
00:27:23.51\00:27:26.84
the thing I love about what that
implies is that Jesus has gone
00:27:26.88\00:27:31.05
from knocking to calling. From
knocking to calling. He doesn't
00:27:31.08\00:27:35.22
give up at the knocking. He
continues to call. And what I
00:27:35.25\00:27:39.45
see in you two ladies is two
ladies who have heard the knock
00:27:39.52\00:27:43.39
and you maybe didn't answer
initially but after you heard
00:27:43.43\00:27:46.70
the call you answered and now
we're doing ministry, now we're
00:27:46.73\00:27:50.57
doing ministry, now we're
speaking of forgiveness and now
00:27:50.60\00:27:54.30
both of us, all of us are on The
New Journey. This tells me that
00:27:54.34\00:27:59.64
that you at some point dared
to dream and God answered that
00:27:59.67\00:28:04.88
dream. God bless you.
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