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Welcome to The New Journey,
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a program about
real life people,
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with real life testimonies,
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doing real life
ministry for Jesus Christ.
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I'm your host,
Pastor Marquis Johns.
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Join us on The New Journey.
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"Unless we are converted
and become as little children,
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we shall in no wise
inherit the kingdom of God."
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The interesting thing
about that statement is,
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we sometimes
believe that little children
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don't have testimonies.
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Well, today we
have Kyle Gilbert,
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a young man with
a huge testimony.
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Kyle, how are you doing today?
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Very good, Sir.
Good, good, good.
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Now first and foremost,
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I want you to tell me your name,
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how old you are
and where you're from.
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My name is Kyle Gilbert, I'm 14
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and I'm from Marion, Indiana.
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Marion, Indiana. Okay.
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So now 14 years old, come on,
Kyle, you don't have a story.
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You don't have
anything to tell us,
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I mean, the people who
are watching are thinking,
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what does this kid have?
What does he gone through?
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They've gone through so much.
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And yet, you are
here with the testimony.
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Yes, Sir. Okay.
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So tell us about
your parents if you can.
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If you can tell us
about your parents,
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where your parents at?
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Well, to start it,
I had a lot of stuff,
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my dad had a good job,
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we had a stable
home, we had everything.
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I was spoiled and then,
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my dad just
started to cheat on my mom
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with the secretary of his job.
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Oh, wow. And they split up.
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And today my mom figured out,
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she started
drinking, beat herself up.
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And my dad
started smoking crack.
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Okay. Wow.
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Wow. What a turn around.
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Now how old were you
when this divorce happened?
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I was about 11.
Eleven years old.
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So 11 years old,
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your parents go
through a very terrible
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and it seems like
a tumultuous divorce.
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Yes, Sir. Okay.
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So dad is having an
affair unfortunately.
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Mom finds out about it
and mom goes to drinking.
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Now you said you were spoiled.
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So the moment
mom starts drinking
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and dad starts using,
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what happens to that spoil life?
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I mean, I'm assuming you
had all the latest video games.
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Yeah. You had all the--
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You were able to
watch all the movies
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that you wanted to.
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So how did things--
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If you can, how did
thing, was it a drastic change,
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the video games disappeared,
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the television
disappear, what happened?
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My dad started
selling all the stuff, okay.
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Oh, wow. Oh, wow.
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And it's that
simple? Yeah, that simple.
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When did you come
to the realization
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that this is what dad was doing?
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Well, one day I found
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a crack pipe in
my dad's glove box.
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And I knew what it was
'cause I've seen in TV shows.
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Okay, so based on
what you have seen on TV,
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when you saw this, you
knew exactly what it was.
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Yes, Sir.
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So we got this 11 year old boy,
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parents go through this divorce.
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What's going on,
if you can articulate,
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if you can
verbalize, if you can tell us,
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what's going on
inside of you at this time?
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I was really hurt.
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I didn't know my
dad would ever do that
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and it just
really shocked me knowing
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my dad was doing that stuff.
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It was just like
boom, just hitting.
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I started-- I
just started getting
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depressed a
little bit, deep down.
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So does anybody
noticed that you're depressed?
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No, not really. I
stayed in my room a lot.
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Stayed in your room.
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Now did the
depression manifest itself
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or come out like anger?
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Did you get angry sometimes?
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Yeah, I punched a few
holes in the wall, like two.
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You did two holes in the wall?
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So you're angry, were you
still in school at this time?
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Yeah.
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How did your school
work and your friends...?
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My grades started going down.
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Grades started going
down. Friends, did you--
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Did you start pushing
away from your friends?
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No, I starting to-- I
used to have good friends.
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I started
picking the bad friends.
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Okay, okay.
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Now what do you think made
you want the bad friends now?
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The drugs. Okay.
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So the good friends
weren't understanding,
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but the bad
friends were understanding
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and the bad friends were
introducing you to drugs,
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like what kind of drugs?
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Well, weed. Okay.
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And alcohol. Okay.
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So at 11 years
old, you're doing--
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You're smoking marijuana
and you're drinking alcohol.
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Beer. Okay, okay, beer.
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So you're smoking
marijuana and drinking beer.
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And because your mom is drinking
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and your dad is on drugs,
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everyone is,
everyone is oblivious
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to what's going on with Kyle.
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They weren't oblivious to--
at first I was trying to hide
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but after a while
they started to notice.
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Okay, so what was their reaction
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to their 11 year old son
smoking and drinking beer?
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They try to discipline
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but I just keep sneaking out so.
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Okay, so what kind of
discipline were they--
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They're trying to
ground me, try to whip me,
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she'd try to whip me
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and I'll end
sneaking out later that night,
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hanging out with more friends.
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Okay, so even
through the affair,
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the drug habit from your father
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and the alcohol
addiction from your mother,
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they've stayed together.
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No. No, okay.
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They still communicated though.
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They just communicated and so...
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On a phone. So
dad will call and say.
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"Hey, Kyle, you're
grounded for that."
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No, my dad didn't really
communicate with me a lot.
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Okay, so they were
just talking to one another?
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Yeah, but on one day
when I was in waiting
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in the car for my mom.
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And my dad said something
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and my mom
punched him in the eye.
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It was very bad. Wow, wow, wow.
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Well, they still communicated
but in a violent way.
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Okay, okay. So now
it's just you and mom.
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Yeah. No siblings.
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Oh, my older sister,
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my brother and my
sister's boyfriend.
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Okay, so you're older
sister, mom, sister's boyfriend,
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you guys are all living--
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And your brother and you guys
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are all living
together at this moment.
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Yeah. Okay, and
so do you guys move?
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Are you staying
in the same place?
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Does mom move
and get a new place?
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Or does she live in the house
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that you once lived in with dad?
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Now we live there but since like
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the break up went on, we lived--
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I lived in Texas.
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I lived in three different
places down in Texas and--
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Wait, wait, wait,
so you were living,
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were you going these
places without your mom,
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was your mom sending
you places or were you guys,
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you as a family were moving.
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But we can't afford
to stay in one place.
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Okay, so you couldn't
afford to stay in one place,
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so you'd moved to another place.
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You couldn't
afford to stay there,
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so you'd moved to another place.
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And as you--
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Are you going
from school to school?
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No, it was all in
the same district.
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Okay, okay.
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So you're staying
in the same school,
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keeping your same bad
friends as you call them.
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Yeah. Okay, okay.
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So you intimated to me
earlier that you grew up
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around some cribs,
did you join a gang?
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Were you were a part of a gang?
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No, just knew some
guys who are in gangs?
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When I was-- When I was about 11
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when I moved to Texas,
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I started hanging
out with gang members.
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They introduced me. And I saw--
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Yeah, I was around gang members
but I wasn't never in the gang.
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Okay, okay. Good, good.
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And so now you're
drinking, you're smoking
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and you're hanging
around gang members,
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moving from place to place.
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Mom is trying to discipline you.
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Dad is no longer around.
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You are going through
depression, through anger.
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And you punched a
hole in a few walls.
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But are you getting
into some fights at school?
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Are you getting into
some fights with friends?
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Are you getting into any
money altercations with friends?
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Well, my fights started,
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it was when my dad went to jail.
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And that's when
all my fights started.
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I started getting
angry, real angry.
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So tell me about
some of these fights.
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Who were you
fighting? Why are you fighting?
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What's going on?
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Just kids augmented,
they say something to me.
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Even if it's
nothing worth fighting over
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I would still
punch him in the face,
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I just get angry.
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So you're getting
angry, you're having fights.
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Were your bad
friends contributing to the--
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Contributing to this?
"Let's just go out and fight."
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Were you running where
the pack of guys, you guys--
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No, there was all like,
"Go, punch him in his face."
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They didn't do
nothing, they just sat down
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and watch me get in a fights,
and me getting in trouble
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and they weren't
even doing nothing.
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Okay, okay. And so
that's who you are.
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That's where you've been.
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What contributed
to the turning point?
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I understand that
you had a friend who--
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Tell us about this friend,
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this recent event that happened.
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A gangster? Hmm.
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Well, there's one,
when we moved to Texas.
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And I knew what she was
doing, you could just tell,
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she was hanging around with
a whole bunch of dope fiends.
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And you could just
tell what they're doing.
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And I went up
to her, I was like,
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"Hey, I'm in a bad predicament
and I want to make some money.
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You think you can help me?
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Hook me up so I
can make some money."
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She took me back
to what they call--
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Now wait, wait,
I'm sorry, now hold it.
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How old were you at this point?
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I was eleven and a
half about to be twelve.
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So you're almost 12 years
old and you go to a friend
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and say I want to
make some fast money.
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And they say okay, cool.
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So pick up from there?
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Well, they took me back to
what they call a tramp house.
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It was in an apartment.
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And they were doing their
thing and they gave me crack.
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And I don't really
like, they gave me some crack.
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And what I'd do is
I'll go hit the block.
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And I'll hop up on
my bike and I'll go see
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I'll just be
like walk up someone,
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hey, I got that work
and if they want to buy
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some of them come up to
me and do whatever they do.
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Wow, so you're
now out on the track.
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Yeah. Riding your bike.
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Selling, I mean,
work now that's--
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The thing about your story is,
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you know, for me having
grown up in South Central
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I can-- that resonates with me.
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I can understand
where you're coming from.
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My mom was on drugs. I
was early as 12 years of age.
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You know, I was
out there on the block,
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getting money,
you know what I mean.
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I know.
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Not necessarily on the
bike but joining the gang,
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all of this behavior
and a lot of times what I--
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The reason why I was doing it
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was because my
mother was no longer
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taking responsibility
for me and my parents.
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I mean, me and my
siblings. Why would you--
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Why did you, why did
you need extra money?
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We would actually
struggle living on money.
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But then what happened
is when I was in middle
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making the money my friends,
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some people knew
I was making money
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so they'd come over
and they introduced me
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to pills, tabs and stuff.
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And I took them and like I
felt really good like I wished.
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And what happened is, I
end up spending $60, $70
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maybe $100 a day on pills.
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So you transition
from marijuana to pills.
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Both. And you're doing both.
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And so now you need
to support this habit.
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So this 12 year old
kid, with his drug habit.
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And so you're selling drugs
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just to support your drug habit.
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Does anyone, I
mean, does your sister,
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does your brother,
does anyone noticed this?
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No, they noticed I was--
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I stayed gone a
week or two at a time.
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Okay. And then school--
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The grades aren't just bad now.
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The grades are, are
you in school still?
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I'd go, I went to
school but I skipped a lot too.
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Okay, okay. So
you're out in a trap.
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You've got the work, you
are supporting this habit.
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I'm sure that
you've seen some things
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at 12, 13 years of age.
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Tell me some of the
things that you've experienced
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and witnessed out in the trap.
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And for those who
don't know what the trap
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is what we call now,
were you out there hustling
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is you know, you're in a trap.
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But tell us
about-- tell us about
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some of the things that
you've seen at this young age.
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I've seen
prostitutes get picked up
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on side of the street.
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I've seen a lot of stuff like--
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Well, one day I was at
my friend's house partying
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and what happen is
my friend came over,
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One of my friends told
me, hey, my friend, Joe.
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He got shot two
times in the chest
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by a cracker trying to rob him.
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I didn't see but my
friend told me about it.
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And is Joe
dead? Joe is dead now.
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Okay, okay. Wow.
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So this is, Joe was a guy that
you were hanging around with?
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Hanging around
with, he helped me like
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if I needed
anything he help like--
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if someone jumped me he
would always get them back.
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And how old was Joe? He was 17.
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So Joe, 17 year old
friend of yours killed
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out in the streets.
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Yes, Sir. Wow, wow.
00:12:54.80\00:12:56.50
So at this point, did
you tell your mom about this,
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does anyone know
about your friend
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who gets who gets killed?
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I never really
bring it up. Okay.
00:13:03.58\00:13:05.41
It was kept quiet. Okay, okay.
00:13:05.45\00:13:07.28
I didn't want my mom
know what I was doing.
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Okay, okay.
00:13:09.38\00:13:10.72
so when does
your mom get a wind of
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'cause you couldn't keep
her from her forever, could you?
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No.
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So when did she get wind of
what was going on with her son?
00:13:15.52\00:13:17.59
When I started
disappearing. Okay.
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For weeks and weeks at a time.
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Not too many weeks, I'd
stay, gone off like a week,
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maybe sometimes two
and I'll come back about
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two, three days, eat, shower
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and do what I need
and take off again.
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And so when you would--
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When you would reemerge
after these days or two,
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what would she say, what
was the conversation like
00:13:36.91\00:13:38.41
between you two?
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Mad, one day as she was drinking
00:13:40.08\00:13:42.68
and she got mad and
she threw a bottle down
00:13:42.72\00:13:44.65
and she just took off
and just left the whole night
00:13:44.69\00:13:47.92
but she would never
really discipline me that much.
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She done it when
we lived in Austin
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but since I was
in Texas and stuff,
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she really
stopped caring about me.
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She didn't really discipline.
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So you felt
like she didn't care.
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And so now where are you?
00:14:01.14\00:14:04.57
Where you now, are
you still with your mom?
00:14:04.61\00:14:06.04
Yeah.
00:14:06.07\00:14:07.41
You're still
living with your mom?
00:14:07.44\00:14:08.78
I'm doing good now. Okay.
00:14:08.81\00:14:10.15
Well, now why are
you doing good now?
00:14:10.18\00:14:11.51
Tell us why you're
doing good now, Kyle.
00:14:11.55\00:14:12.88
Well, I started
reading the Bible
00:14:12.91\00:14:14.42
and I accepted Jesus
in my life two days ago.
00:14:14.45\00:14:18.72
Now what made you
start reading the Bible?
00:14:18.75\00:14:20.59
Well, me and my
friend what happened is
00:14:20.62\00:14:23.86
we went to do community
service for Brother Vega.
00:14:23.89\00:14:27.26
And there was a whole
bunch of Bibles over there.
00:14:27.30\00:14:31.27
And like he was a
Christian guy so me and--
00:14:31.30\00:14:34.40
And then couple days later
me and my brother-in-law Paul
00:14:34.44\00:14:38.47
went to do some
work over there--
00:14:38.51\00:14:40.88
Community service.
00:14:40.91\00:14:42.78
And he had a stack of Bibles
00:14:42.81\00:14:44.25
and I looked over
and I was like, "Hey."
00:14:44.28\00:14:47.35
He was like, "Hey I
got Bibles, go pick them."
00:14:47.38\00:14:49.45
And I picked one up.
00:14:49.48\00:14:50.82
And I started
reading through it.
00:14:50.85\00:14:52.19
And I felt something.
00:14:52.22\00:14:53.56
I thought it
was the Holy Spirit.
00:14:53.59\00:14:54.92
It felt good.
00:14:54.96\00:14:56.29
So here's the picture.
00:14:56.32\00:15:01.20
Eleven year old kid,
parents get a divorce,
00:15:01.23\00:15:04.63
he goes from having
I'm sure the X boxes.
00:15:04.67\00:15:08.17
New shoes every
two or three weeks.
00:15:08.20\00:15:09.97
All of that.
00:15:10.01\00:15:11.61
To a dad who's
now using cocaine.
00:15:11.64\00:15:15.61
Crack. Cocaine, crack.
00:15:15.64\00:15:19.35
And mom who's
now abusing alcohol.
00:15:19.38\00:15:24.29
And they just seemingly lose
interest in your well being.
00:15:24.32\00:15:30.06
So you're out now hanging
out, grades are dropping,
00:15:30.09\00:15:34.30
hanging out with
the wrong people.
00:15:34.33\00:15:36.63
You start selling drugs
00:15:36.67\00:15:39.03
because you want to
continue to use drugs.
00:15:39.07\00:15:42.27
And then one day, you know,
00:15:42.30\00:15:44.54
a friend of
yours Joe gets killed.
00:15:44.57\00:15:47.08
One day you run into--
00:15:47.11\00:15:49.54
Like, tell us how you
run into Brother Vega.
00:15:49.58\00:15:51.75
Like, I mean 'cause two days ago
00:15:51.78\00:15:53.45
you said you've
accepted Christ into your life.
00:15:53.48\00:15:54.82
So tell me, lead us
up to the point of hey,
00:15:54.85\00:15:57.42
I'm doing these
pills, I'm smoking marijuana,
00:15:57.45\00:16:00.46
I'm drinking beer.
00:16:00.49\00:16:01.96
Take us from
there to two days ago.
00:16:01.99\00:16:03.79
Tell us what
happened, what's going on?
00:16:03.83\00:16:05.16
Tell us the ups, the
downs, the highs, lows.
00:16:05.19\00:16:07.13
Tell us what's happening.
00:16:07.16\00:16:08.50
Well, I was around
in Texas, my mom figured
00:16:08.53\00:16:10.83
it was just too bad of a
place for me to stay there.
00:16:10.87\00:16:13.84
So we packed everything
up. We moved back to Indiana.
00:16:13.87\00:16:17.41
And what happen is well, I
stay there for about a month.
00:16:17.44\00:16:22.21
No heater, no water, no
stove, no jar, no washer,
00:16:22.24\00:16:28.28
no
refrigerators, there's nothing.
00:16:28.32\00:16:30.92
This ought to be
crazy going from a kid
00:16:30.95\00:16:33.12
who had everything
00:16:33.15\00:16:34.69
to being in a place
now we don't have heat.
00:16:34.72\00:16:36.89
You don't have water,
you don't have a stove.
00:16:36.93\00:16:39.09
And so here you are,
you've moved back to Indiana
00:16:39.13\00:16:42.70
but the conditions are terrible.
00:16:42.73\00:16:45.17
Terrible.
00:16:45.20\00:16:46.53
Keep walking us
forward, keep moving us forward.
00:16:46.57\00:16:48.00
Well, what
happened is I kept doing
00:16:48.04\00:16:50.94
and someone called CPS on us.
00:16:50.97\00:16:54.08
Okay. And Child Protection--
00:16:54.11\00:16:56.34
Okay. And what happen is--
00:16:56.38\00:16:57.75
CPS, Child Protective
Services, okay, go ahead.
00:16:57.78\00:16:59.88
So my mom knew we
needed to get stuff,
00:16:59.91\00:17:03.08
started taking care
of and what happened is
00:17:03.12\00:17:06.69
we started talking
to a guy named Vega.
00:17:06.72\00:17:10.86
And he was over there.
00:17:10.89\00:17:13.06
And me at first,
me and my friend,
00:17:13.09\00:17:15.56
we went, do some
community service for him.
00:17:15.60\00:17:17.87
And after, he
had a stack of Bibles
00:17:17.90\00:17:21.34
and we looked over there.
00:17:21.37\00:17:22.70
And he had Bible, he
said, I picked those up
00:17:22.74\00:17:24.71
and I got them.
00:17:24.74\00:17:26.07
Okay, so
basically what happened is
00:17:26.11\00:17:28.11
because Child
Protective Services
00:17:28.14\00:17:29.88
have been
alerted to the condition
00:17:29.91\00:17:31.58
that you were living in,
your mom reached out for help.
00:17:31.61\00:17:34.45
Yeah.
00:17:34.48\00:17:35.82
And when she
reached out to help,
00:17:35.85\00:17:37.19
for help she found Brother Vega.
00:17:37.22\00:17:39.25
Yes, Sir. Okay.
00:17:39.29\00:17:40.62
And so Brother Vega begins to--
00:17:40.66\00:17:42.02
Now this is how
long ago was this?
00:17:42.06\00:17:45.19
How long ago?
00:17:45.23\00:17:48.36
I don't know it was a couple
months ago, about two months.
00:17:48.40\00:17:50.70
A couple months ago.
00:17:50.73\00:17:52.07
So Brother Vega is coming around
00:17:52.10\00:17:53.44
a little bit more
often and trying to help out.
00:17:53.47\00:17:55.34
And so again,
what's happening, Kyle
00:17:55.37\00:17:59.11
between a couple of months
ago and just two days ago?
00:17:59.14\00:18:02.48
What's happening
between you and Brother Vega?
00:18:02.51\00:18:04.08
I mean, okay, I see
a bunch of Bibles I go,
00:18:04.11\00:18:06.18
I start reading one.
00:18:06.21\00:18:08.18
Are you going out more and more
00:18:08.22\00:18:09.68
doing community
services with him?
00:18:09.72\00:18:11.05
Does mom know that
you're hanging out with him?
00:18:11.09\00:18:12.95
How does mom feel about
that? Walk us through that.
00:18:12.99\00:18:15.36
Well, actually he's a
big help to our family so.
00:18:15.39\00:18:18.63
Okay.
00:18:18.66\00:18:20.00
We decided, "Hey, you need any
work done just give us a call.
00:18:20.03\00:18:22.76
We can give you some work.
00:18:22.80\00:18:24.20
Any time just give us was call."
00:18:24.23\00:18:26.23
So we started giving him work
and he helped out my dad once
00:18:26.27\00:18:30.71
so I figured I
can help him out for--
00:18:30.74\00:18:33.07
Repaying them. Okay.
00:18:33.11\00:18:34.88
So where is, Dad
is still in Indiana?
00:18:34.91\00:18:38.28
In prison. Okay.
00:18:38.31\00:18:39.65
And Brother Vega
has a relationship
00:18:39.68\00:18:41.12
to some degree with your dad.
00:18:41.15\00:18:42.72
Yeah, he helped
my dad go out with--
00:18:42.75\00:18:45.72
Put his Christmas behind bars,
00:18:45.75\00:18:47.42
he helped him out
with gift packages.
00:18:47.46\00:18:49.19
Okay, so your dad
is currently where?
00:18:49.22\00:18:51.96
Pultneyville. Is he in jail?
00:18:51.99\00:18:55.23
He's in prison. Okay.
00:18:55.26\00:18:56.77
How long is he in prison
for? He's got an 18 years.
00:18:56.80\00:18:59.93
So what happened? How
did he end up getting 18--
00:18:59.97\00:19:02.04
From going to having
a successful business?
00:19:02.07\00:19:04.74
How does he end up doing--
00:19:04.77\00:19:06.11
Getting 18 years
in jail, do you know?
00:19:06.14\00:19:08.51
He was smoking crack
then he wanted to call my mom.
00:19:08.54\00:19:12.11
So he went to Wal-Mart
00:19:12.15\00:19:13.48
and he opened up a phone charger
00:19:13.52\00:19:14.85
and he didn't pay for
it, he had plugged it in.
00:19:14.88\00:19:16.55
And he had a
open thing right here.
00:19:16.58\00:19:18.29
And he was
checking a blood pressure,
00:19:18.32\00:19:19.79
he had plug in
blood pressure machine.
00:19:19.82\00:19:22.39
And what happened
is he wasn't thinking,
00:19:22.42\00:19:25.43
wrapped it up and
stuck it in his pocket
00:19:25.46\00:19:26.90
and the police saw him.
00:19:26.93\00:19:28.26
And so they went up
00:19:28.30\00:19:29.63
and they grabbed him by the arm
00:19:29.66\00:19:31.00
and he wasn't
thinking pulled out a knife
00:19:31.03\00:19:32.37
and almost went to stab him.
00:19:32.40\00:19:34.10
Then the dude took
off running, then my mom,
00:19:34.14\00:19:36.87
my dad, I don't
know where I was.
00:19:36.91\00:19:38.77
My dad, he
started taking off and ran
00:19:38.81\00:19:41.48
'cause he knew cops
are gonna be there soon.
00:19:41.51\00:19:43.65
And he ran and we didn't
find him for about a year.
00:19:43.68\00:19:47.08
He was on the run
in Atlanta, Georgia.
00:19:47.12\00:19:49.82
Okay. Wow, wow.
00:19:49.85\00:19:52.19
I mean, this is a
lot. This is a lot.
00:19:52.22\00:19:56.42
As--
00:19:56.46\00:19:58.59
And currently
you're only 14 years old.
00:19:58.63\00:20:00.80
Yes, Sir.
00:20:00.83\00:20:03.16
So how are you now--
How are you, how are you--
00:20:03.20\00:20:08.27
And this might be a very
adult question to ask you
00:20:08.30\00:20:12.07
but how are you
dealing with all of this, Kyle?
00:20:12.11\00:20:13.88
I mean, let me walk you through,
00:20:13.91\00:20:15.54
I mean, you and I
haven't talked much.
00:20:15.58\00:20:17.48
Let me tell you who I
am and where I am from.
00:20:17.51\00:20:20.42
My mom, my dad, both had
drug addictions, you know.
00:20:20.45\00:20:23.39
The one thing
that's was my saving grace
00:20:23.42\00:20:25.49
is I've always loved to read.
00:20:25.52\00:20:27.72
And in loving to
read I was able to escape
00:20:27.76\00:20:30.83
to Monte Cristo with
the Count of Monte Cristo.
00:20:30.86\00:20:34.53
You know I was
able to experience
00:20:34.56\00:20:35.90
the "best of times
and the worst of times."
00:20:35.93\00:20:38.43
Charles Dickens.
00:20:38.47\00:20:39.80
I was able to go
and escape in reading
00:20:39.83\00:20:42.30
and that helped me
deal with some of the anger,
00:20:42.34\00:20:44.41
some of the depression
that I was suffering from.
00:20:44.44\00:20:47.48
Where has been your outlet
00:20:47.51\00:20:49.24
and how do you
get off of the drugs
00:20:49.28\00:20:50.78
that you're on to sit
here in front of me right now?
00:20:50.81\00:20:53.88
I don't know if you
have an answer for me.
00:20:53.92\00:20:56.15
Do you have one?
00:20:56.18\00:20:57.62
Reading the Bible and Jesus,
00:20:57.65\00:20:59.79
He helped me put joy in my life.
00:20:59.82\00:21:02.59
So Christ has
been the saving grace?
00:21:02.62\00:21:04.99
Yes, Sir. Reading the Bible.
00:21:05.03\00:21:06.36
What's your
favorite, what's your favorite,
00:21:06.39\00:21:07.73
do you have a
favorite Bible text?
00:21:07.76\00:21:09.10
Yeah, but I can't
remember it right now
00:21:09.13\00:21:10.87
but I know it's John 3:16.
00:21:10.90\00:21:12.47
Okay, okay.
00:21:12.50\00:21:13.84
It's like-- For God so loved...
00:21:13.87\00:21:15.20
"So loved the world that He sent
His one and only Son to die."
00:21:15.24\00:21:18.27
No, not to die--
00:21:18.31\00:21:19.64
It says, "not to
condemn the world
00:21:19.67\00:21:21.01
but to save the
world through Him."
00:21:21.04\00:21:22.38
Right, right, right, right,
John 3:16 and 17, you quoted.
00:21:22.41\00:21:25.95
And so what has
been the favorite,
00:21:25.98\00:21:27.32
your favorite
portion of the Bible
00:21:27.35\00:21:30.55
that you've read this far?
00:21:30.59\00:21:33.05
You got a
favorite book? Yeah, John.
00:21:33.09\00:21:35.36
John. Okay.
00:21:35.39\00:21:36.76
Now you just won my heart, Kyle.
00:21:36.79\00:21:39.13
John is my
favorite gospel as well.
00:21:39.16\00:21:41.73
And the reason why
00:21:41.76\00:21:43.80
and maybe this is why
John resonates with you.
00:21:43.83\00:21:46.50
The reason why
he resonates with me
00:21:46.53\00:21:48.57
is John was the youngest
disciple, theologians suggest.
00:21:48.60\00:21:52.44
He had the youthful perspective
on the ministry of Christ.
00:21:52.47\00:21:56.34
Not only that,
the Bible tells us
00:21:56.38\00:21:57.88
that it was John who
was beloved of Jesus,
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not that He didn't care
for the other disciples,
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not that He didn't love them.
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But John held a
special place in Jesus' heart.
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Now those are two reasons.
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The other reason why
is that John as an author
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of the Book of Revelation,
and the three epistles,
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as well as his gospel,
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uses the word love
more than anyone else.
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And maybe just
maybe as you reading
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through the book of John,
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you're able to
experience the love of Jesus.
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Yes, Sir.
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So have you
decided to tell anyone
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about this newfound
faith and newfound love?
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Yeah, I told my mom and
she is really proud of me.
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Okay.
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She told me she
loves me every day now
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and just love, joy.
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So Christ has made
changes not only in your life
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but also in your mother's life.
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Gave us what we
needed so CPS can take us.
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Oh, wow, wow.
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And so now, so now, Kyle,
I don't know when you were 11
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what you wanted to
be when you grew up.
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But what do you,
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what path do you
think you're on now at 14?
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I'm gonna go to right
path, I want to travel the world
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and spread the word about Jesus.
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So you want to be,
where they used to call
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in the old times,
an itinerant preacher
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or today an evangelist.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yes, Sir.
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So now, Kyle goes
from this guy who,
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this kid who's
caught out in the trap,
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to now someone who wants to free
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other young
people from the trap.
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Yeah, I don't want them
to go to the wrong path,
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I want them to
go to a right path
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'cause I don't want
them see the stuff I've seen.
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I've seen bad stuff. Okay.
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So then here's the
segment of the show that I want,
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I want you to
look over my shoulder,
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there's a camera here.
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And I want you to talk to--
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I want you to talk to
the Kyles of the world,
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the 13, 14, 15
year old young boys
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who are lost in the trap,
who feel there's no way out.
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I want you to say to them,
I want you to speak to them
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and tell them
what's on your heart
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and this difference that you've
now been able to understand,
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the difference between
the right and the wrong path.
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Go ahead, talk to them.
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Well, if there's
anybody out there my age,
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you need to pick the right path.
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Jesus will put joy in your life.
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If you hit the rock bottom
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and don't feel
like you can go anymore,
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just open the Bible and
your answer is right there.
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Just Jesus will put
joy in your life, He's--
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He is the
answer to true destiny.
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Just follow Jesus
and He'll put joy.
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So Jesus will put joy.
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That is the message
00:24:34.17\00:24:36.74
that Kyle Gilbert
has for the world.
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Jesus will give
you joy. Yes, Sir.
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And so to your mom, to your mom,
00:24:41.68\00:24:45.81
if your mom is watching,
00:24:45.85\00:24:48.05
this has been a
long three years.
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You have given your
mom some trouble at times.
00:24:52.72\00:24:55.26
A lot.
00:24:55.29\00:24:57.19
What would you like to
if your mom is watching,
00:24:57.23\00:24:59.49
if your mom is
watching this program,
00:24:59.53\00:25:01.26
and which she most likely will,
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Kyle, is there something
you'd like to say to your mom?
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Well, Mom, I'm really
sorry for what I've done.
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And I won't do it no
more and all of times
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I've given you
trouble, I'm really sorry.
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Okay.
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Now in order, Kyle, to
become this great evangelist,
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you know the right path
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is not going to be an easy path.
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You know Jesus faced His,
00:25:29.56\00:25:32.66
some of His greatest
temptations just after baptism.
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And the path that He was on,
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the path that He has laid for us
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is one that is full of
trials and tribulations.
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But I believe
that you can do it.
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Here's one of the things I think
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that you're gonna have to
think about though, vegetables.
00:25:47.61\00:25:54.45
Grow big and strong.
00:25:54.48\00:25:55.82
Yeah, you're gonna
have to eat your vegetables,
00:25:55.85\00:25:57.19
you're gonna eat your
wheaties, as they say.
00:25:57.22\00:25:58.55
Yeah, a couple of days ago
00:25:58.59\00:25:59.95
it was my first time
eating fruits and vegetables.
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So growing up,
mom and dad never made
00:26:01.89\00:26:04.33
you eat any
fruit and vegetables?
00:26:04.36\00:26:05.99
I was always like
give me some chocolate,
00:26:06.03\00:26:08.40
give me some
meat, give me chips.
00:26:08.43\00:26:11.03
I was never into vegetables.
00:26:11.07\00:26:13.34
But I had a play
and Mr. Vega told me,
00:26:13.37\00:26:15.80
"You want to
finish your veggies."
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And I don't want
to disappoint him.
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So I ate them. Okay.
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So the new path
and the right path
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is the path that includes
00:26:22.84\00:26:24.18
eating your fruits and
veggies, you do know that--
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My God says, He said
this is it's His gift to us.
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Well, Kyle, I am very
impressed with your story.
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And one of the reasons why
is, I have a little brother,
00:26:34.82\00:26:37.56
I had a little brother,
that I wasn't on the right path
00:26:37.59\00:26:43.26
and he was
killed before he was 20.
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And when I've seen you, is
the possibility for someone,
00:26:46.33\00:26:50.24
a young man to
start on the right path
00:26:50.27\00:26:52.11
at an early age
because he started down
00:26:52.14\00:26:53.91
the wrong path
at a very early age.
00:26:53.94\00:26:57.41
But it brings joy
to my heart as you say
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and it makes me very hopeful
00:26:59.68\00:27:01.98
that you can, starting
today, you can, starting today,
00:27:02.02\00:27:06.62
stay on the path,
stay on this right path,
00:27:06.65\00:27:09.36
know that there is
support all around you,
00:27:09.39\00:27:11.49
know that when you
get into a tough place,
00:27:11.53\00:27:13.96
know that when
things don't seem to be
00:27:14.00\00:27:15.46
going the way you like them ago,
00:27:15.50\00:27:17.17
you have chosen
to read the Bible.
00:27:17.20\00:27:19.33
And if you keep that up,
you will realize the dream
00:27:19.37\00:27:23.34
that you now say you have.
00:27:23.37\00:27:25.11
And what can happen,
what can happen is that
00:27:25.14\00:27:27.68
you can be for
others the inspiration
00:27:27.71\00:27:32.18
that they now can dare to dream.
00:27:32.21\00:27:34.65
They can now look at a Kyle.
00:27:34.68\00:27:36.12
And as you realize this dream
and you go around preaching,
00:27:36.15\00:27:40.79
young people are gonna
gravitate to that testimony.
00:27:40.82\00:27:43.46
Because the Bible
says they overcame
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by the blood of the Lamb
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and by the word
of their testimony.
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And Kyle, you have a
powerful testimony to share.
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And what's gonna make
it even more powerful is,
00:27:51.23\00:27:54.37
if you keep it up
from this point on
00:27:54.40\00:27:57.97
without
faltering, without wavering,
00:27:58.01\00:28:01.11
without moving to
the left or to the right.
00:28:01.14\00:28:02.98
And you stay on
this new journey.
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Brothers and
sisters, God bless you.
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