The following program
discuses sensitive issues.
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Parents are
cautioned that some material
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may be too candid
for younger children.
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Welcome to "The New Journey,"
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the program where we
meet real life people,
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with real life testimonies,
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with real life
working ministries for Jesus.
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Today we are gonna
talk to a psychologist,
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Dr. Magna Parks to uncover
the solution to overcoming
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the thoughts of
suicide and revenge
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that stem from
childhood and/or prison rape.
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According to the
Human Rights Watch
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at least 140,000 inmates
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are raped each year
in the United States
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and there's a
significant variation
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in the race of
prison rape by race.
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Shame regarding
perceived homosexuality
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may contribute to
the under reporting
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of prison rape by victims.
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Prison rape statistics
are much higher than reported
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as many victims
are afraid to report,
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being threatened with
physical violence by a rapist
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if reported as well
as staff indifference.
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This is a very
solemn subject but you,
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the viewer, might
have been a victim
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to prison rape or you,
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the viewer, might
have been a perpetrator.
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We want to provide the solution
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to overcoming the
guilt and the desire
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to victimize a human
being in this manner.
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I'm your host Aaron Chancy,
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come join us on
"The New Journey."
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Welcome back to the program.
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We have an exciting
program for you today.
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Our guest is Dr. Magna Parks.
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Thank you, Dr. Parks,
for being on the program.
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Thank you for having me.
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Now you're a psychologist,
I want to talk about first,
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how did you get
involved in psychology
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and what led you to this point?
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You know, I started school
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wanting to be a
doctor, a medical doctor,
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but I found myself often
listening to people talking
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and I liked to be
places like the airport
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or the grocery store
and just observe and listen.
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And I decided, after
talking to a few people,
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there was a friend
of mine at high school
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who was going
into psychology I said,
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why not give that a try?
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I like to listen to people,
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I'm good with
listening and talking with them
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about their
problems so I thought,
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why not go into
this and be paid.
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And that's what led me
to get into that field.
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You know, that's
interesting you should say that,
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my wife is actually a
very, very good listener.
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She likes to kind of listen
in all people conversations
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and things like that.
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Okay.
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And I can
understand what you're saying,
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how you want to view people,
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listen to people and you know,
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try to offer a
solution to the people.
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Now you
eventually left psychology,
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active psychology work,
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what was the reasoning for this?
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Well, you know, I taught for
seven years at two universities
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and then I was in
private practice for 13 years.
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But I found towards
the ending of my time
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something started to bother me
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about the people
coming into see me.
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I was making good money,
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but I started to feel a
little restless and uneasy
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because I didn't feel as though
I was really helping people.
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And what I found
was people would come in
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and repeat some
of the same issues,
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they had seen therapist before,
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they knew supposedly the answers
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but I started to feel as though
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I was just putting
band-aids on their problems
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based on what I
had learned in school.
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And the Lord directed me
to study the scriptures more
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and other inspire writings
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and I was exposed to
helping people a different way
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working with the
particular doctor,
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Dr. Neil Nedley and I learned
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that there were other ways
to help people that really got
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to the underlying
problem a little better.
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Okay, and we are gonna
talk about some of that today.
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And that's what led me to say,
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you know, even though
I'm making good money,
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I felt as the Lord was
calling me to start ministry
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with my husband
and who is now deceased
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but we would go
around doing seminars
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and I was sought to talk about
how people can truly get over
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their mental and
emotional issues.
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You know, it's interesting
that you said you felt like
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you were just putting
band-aids on the problem.
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You didn't feel
that you were getting
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to the solution to the problem.
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No.
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We're gonna come back and talk
about that in a few minutes.
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Now you're the author of two
very, very interesting books,
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very interesting books.
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Can you tell us a little about
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what motivated
you to write the books
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and what's involved--
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what's the
information in these books?
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Well, the first book
that I wrote was called
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"Treating Depression Naturally."
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Okay.
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And I actually started writing
that before I left my practice.
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After working
briefly with the doctor
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I mentioned earlier,
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I learned about
healthy ways to help people
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by changing their lifestyle,
particularly with depression
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and I wanted to
put that in a booklet
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because I started
working with clients
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and implementing
some of these things
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and found that they were getting
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over their depression earlier.
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So those things
were actually working?
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They were working.
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Okay, so weren't
like band-aids anymore?
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No.
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No, no longer like
band-aids, exactly.
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I felt like I was
really getting into the wound
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and getting out all
of the putrefying sores
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and everything in there.
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So I wanted to write
that in a little booklet
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where they could easily read it
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and be able to get
over their depression
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but I also found that people
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who didn't have
depression was reading the book
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and coming to me telling
me that it was helping them,
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even with their physical health
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because these
are just simple laws
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we are gonna talk
about later that was helpful.
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This book "Treating
Depression Naturally"
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is what I was able to
write at that time, okay.
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And the second
book is a little more,
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what should I say,
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risque or a little more
kind of grade set the nerves
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or grade set the field
of psychology a little more,
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"Christians, Beware!
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The dangers of
secular psychology."
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Okay.
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As a Christian, I
started to become aware
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that many of
the things I learned
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in my doctoral
training was band-aid things.
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Okay, band-aid.
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Many of them, sad to say,
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was not really getting
at the root of the problem
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and some of it
was even anti-Bible,
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you know, but it's
presented in such a garb
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that it is so
attractive to people
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that even Christians are
pulled in by these things.
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And I started to share things,
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seeing different
publications by Christians
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and I started to point out,
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you know, this is
secular psychology,
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it's not biblical.
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And finally my
husband encouraged me,
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why don't you write a book
on this to open people's eyes
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about how secular
psychology is affecting us
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as Christians
individually and as a church.
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And that was a
motivation for that book.
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Now with this book
"Dangers of Secular Psychology"
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do you encourage...
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other Seventh-day Adventist
psychologist to read this book,
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if they definitely
want to know the truth
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of what this is teaching?
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I do. I do.
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And some of them have read
it and they've been astounded.
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Some of them have read
it and not been very happy.
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Because when
you build your life,
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your life work on this
and you paid all this money
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to go to school and
for someone to tell you
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what you learned is not really
helping people that hurts.
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You know, and so some people
have not been open and others,
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they've have been grateful
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that the Lord
has opened their eyes
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to change how
they're practicing.
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I'm not telling them to
get into out of psychology
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because there are people
out there with real needs.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I'm trying to help
them implement principles
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that's really gonna help them
to be a help to other people.
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Now generally a psychologist
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may talk with a
person one-on-one--
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Yes.
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Or it may be a family
psychologist, things like that.
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Now when you're
talking to a person one-on-one,
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you find a lot
of information out
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about them and things like that
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and you want to
provide a solution to them.
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How many years totally
have you spent involved
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with psychology
talking to people one-on-one,
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practicing doing this?
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Oh, I thought you're
asking something different.
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I've done this for
about 13 years fulltime
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and prior to
that I was doing it,
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when I worked in the university
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I would do it on
a part time basis.
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On a part time basis.
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So that was for
about six and half years.
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Okay, now in that-- in
talking to so many people
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for all those amount of years
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have you ever come
across any instances
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where people were dealing
with childhood sexual abuse
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or abuse from
prison, things like that?
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Very much so.
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That is so
prevalent, much more prevalent.
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It used to be--
I'm not, you looked--
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I have not looked at
the statistics lately
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but it used to be one out
of every three or four girls
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and one out of
every five to seven boys
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were sexually abused.
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It might be
higher. That's a lot.
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And you know,
what, for a lot of people
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they don't talk about it.
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You know, its kind of, you know,
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this happened but, you know,
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you kind of scared to come out
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with that information
that something happened.
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And, you know,
I've seen interviews
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of people where
they say, you know,
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I didn't want to talk about
it because I didn't know how,
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later on, my wife would view me
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or my husband would
view me, things like that.
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I even heard a story
one time of a gentleman
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that was sexually abused
while he was incarcerated.
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He got out some years later,
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he told his wife about it
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and his wife
ended up leaving him
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because she
started to ridicule him.
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Well, I thought you were man
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and different things
like that and you know,
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she ended up leaving him.
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So these things
actually do happen
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and it keeps
people from coming out
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with that information
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where they just kind
of keep it bottled in
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and it eats them up.
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Yes, exactly and you
know, part of that is true.
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People do react in that way
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and what happens is
that there is a psychologist
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called Dr. Martin Seligman
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and he did an
experiment with dogs
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that first he had them
in a cage where one part,
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the dog would get shocked
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but when the dog
would move to the other part
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they wouldn't get shocked.
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So they knew to do something.
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Afterwards he set
it up where both parts
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of the cages
would shock the dog.
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So wherever the dog
went, that dog was shocked
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and from that the
concept of learned
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helplessness was developed.
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And so the dog
which just sits there
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and-- I don't know what to do.
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Exactly, I don't know what to do
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and I think that has
been the case with many people
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who've been abused.
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It's like I
don't know what to do.
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If I talk to this person
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they are gonna
think negatively of me.
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If I do this, this may happen.
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So they just sit with it
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and it just
affects their whole life,
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just sitting with
it and doing nothing,
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not recognizing that
there is power and hope
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to help them move past this.
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Okay. Okay.
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You know, I remember
reading a story on the internet,
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it was a young boy, 17 years old
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that had got incarcerated,
it wasn't a real big crime
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but they ended up sending him
to a maximum security prison.
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And you know, in a prison system
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you have
different levels of prisons,
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level one, two,
three, four five,
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and normally your
non-violent offenders
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who will be like a level one,
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level two and your
more high risk offenders,
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violent offenders
will be in level fours,
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level fives things like that.
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And he got sent to a
high level security prison
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when he needed to be in
a minimum security prison.
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And a lot of things
ended up happening to him.
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He was sexually abused,
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17-years-old and he
ended up committing suicide.
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You know, and
it's tragic when we,
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you know, have to give up
on hope and things like that.
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What is the
emotional state of a person
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that goes through
something like this,
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that is being victimized?
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Can I read
something in the Bible
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to give you good example?
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Yes, ma'am, yes, ma'am,
read something in the Bible
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because I know
there's some powerful text
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in the Word of God that will,
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you know, help
a person overcome,
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will give them
some encouragement.
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Read that text for us.
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Well, before I read that,
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you asked about
some of the affects
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and there's a story about Amnon
raping his half-sister, Tamar.
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Well, I don't
want to take up time
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but I'll just share with you,
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I thought I had and marked here.
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What happened
afterwards with her is that
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she went around,
her head was covered
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as she went around
in grief and shame.
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And when we talk
about some of the effects,
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it's actually in 2
Samuel one of the chapters here
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but for time sake
I'll just talk about.
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What happens is
that we go around,
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we're grieving
because a part of us
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has been taken away
without our consent.
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There is a lot of shame involved
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because whenever
anything is involved with sex
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and it's taken
away from us in a way
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that we didn't give our consent,
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there's shame involved.
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There's also
anger that's involved
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because someone has come in
and violated and desecrated us.
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You know, sometimes depression
comes about as a result.
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So all of these
things can happen
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which would help me understand
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why the young man would
eventually commit suicide.
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Okay. Makes that sense.
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Now, that's
very, very interesting.
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You know, I remember even myself
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being incarcerated one time
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and I remember
this young gentleman
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that came in who is
16-years-old at the time,
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I was 17-years-old.
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And you know, a lot
of people have the idea,
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you know, if I
get incarcerated well,
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you know,
nothing's gonna happen to me.
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I'm not gonna let
anybody take my "manhood"
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or whatever it may be.
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And you know, a lot of times,
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you know, you maybe attacked
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by four or five different people
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and you know, you can
only do so much fighting off
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and things like that.
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And you know, the
sad thing about it,
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as he was
telling me, he was like,
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you know, what, I
just kind of gave up
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and I just let them do
what they wanted to do.
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And it's like he
almost just gave up totally,
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you know, on hope
because he was going
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through these different things.
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But there is hope, there is hope
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and we can find hope
definitely in the word of God.
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Viewer, you maybe watching,
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you maybe one that
has been victimized
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or you may be
perpetrator yourself,
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viewing this program
and you know, there is hope.
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There's hope for change,
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there's hope for
making a difference.
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You may have committed
some kind of offence in the past
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but actually there's hope
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and that hope is
found in Jesus Christ.
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And we're gonna talk a
little bit more about that
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as we proceed in the program
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so make sure you stay tuned.
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Dr. Parks, I want to
comeback to you and speak about
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what are some of
the underlying factors
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that you have noticed
that have led a person
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to commit such
a crime like this?
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Some other
things are just anger.
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A lot of these
perpetrators as we call them,
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they've been abused themselves.
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And sometimes we
take out our anger
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on the wrong
sources and sometimes
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they're taking it
out on innocent people
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who can't do anything back
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because they were
victimized as innocent people
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who couldn't do
anything back as children.
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Sometimes it's a need for power,
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sometimes this is kind of
outside of the psychological,
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typical psychological
realm but biblically sometimes
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it's just because of
lust, that consumes us.
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You know, we may
lust after the same sex
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because we've
gotten to that point
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in our sexuality
for various reasons.
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Oh, yeah.
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And then
sometimes it's just control,
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people wanting to control.
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Yeah.
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You know, we
have-- as human beings
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we have a natural
bend towards evil,
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just a natural bend towards evil
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and it takes a lot,
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it takes a lot of
leaning on Jesus to fight that.
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To really fight that urge
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because we naturally want to do
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those things that are wrong.
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That's our human
nature as we're born,
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until Jesus comes
in and we allow Him
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to change our life.
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Now in working with many people
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throughout your
years of psychology,
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talking to them,
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how has that really helped them,
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talking to them,
ministering to them.
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How has this
helped them overcome?
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Instead of dwelling on the past,
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how has looking to Jesus,
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looking to the future help them?
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I have a story I'd like
to tell about a sexual abuse,
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we call them survivors.
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Okay, survivors, I like it.
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That's a more
powerful word than a victim.
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I like that.
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And what happened was
this woman had been seen
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by psychologist for years
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and she was seen by
me for actually a year
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and then the
Lord started working
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on how true healing occurs
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and I started to talk
to her about forgiveness.
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Okay, talk about forgiveness.
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Have you ever thought
about forgiving those people
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who did what
they did against you?
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Share with her some
Bible verses about forgiveness.
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She came to me two
or three weeks later
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and said Dr. Parks,
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this has been the
most helpful for me,
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in helping me
move past this abuse.
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Because I stood in this
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for so many
years being powerless,
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feeling powerless,
being angry, being resentful
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but when you
started to share with me
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the concept of forgiveness,
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I had to ask for the
God's help to forgive
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because that's
not a naturally thing.
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We are naturally
not prone to forgive,
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especially people
who's hurt us like that
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but she said as she
asked for God's help
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and the Holy
Spirit to come within,
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she was able to start forgiving
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the people who molested her
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and she was able
to start moving past.
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Okay, so that's great.
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You know, how danger is it--
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dangerous is it for a person
to only look within themselves
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for help and for guidance?
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How dangerous can that be?
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It's very dangerous
because you said earlier,
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we are naturally prone to evil.
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The Bible tells us
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"There is none that
doeth good, no, not one."
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So if there's
none that doeth good
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where am I finding the good?
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It's not within me. Yeah.
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You know, humanistic
psychology has led us
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to believe there
is good in us and,
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you know, all of us have
a desire to want to do good,
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that God places that in us.
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But looking at the good
in us will only get us so far
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because there is
only so much that's there.
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Okay. Yeah, that
is very much true.
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You know, the
Bible even says that
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"There is not
righteous, no, not one."
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None of us are, only
Jesus Christ is righteous.
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We've all fallen
short of the glory of God,
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every last human
being on plant earth.
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Now in your book
"Christians, Beware!"
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you talk about self-respect,
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you talk about self-worth
as well as self-esteem.
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What's the
difference between these
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and which ones
are more beneficial
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in helping with our
relationship with Jesus?
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You know, I used to push
the thing about self-esteem
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until I started to
understand the Bible says
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things like let others esteem,
00:16:20.18\00:16:22.56
let us esteem others
better than ourselves.
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You know, and
different things about Christ
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saying deny yourself, die daily.
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And then I
started to read literature
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from other Christians who said,
00:16:31.45\00:16:32.79
you know, those two
really can't go together.
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Now I do believe
that people do things
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because they feel
bad about themselves.
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But what I've come to realize
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through reading is
that we need to recognize
00:16:41.70\00:16:43.92
the worth that we
have through Christ.
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Because Jesus died
for us on the cross.
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He came and He would have
just done it for one person.
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And that's
amazing, that's amazing.
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You know, and we also
need to recognize the respect
00:16:51.34\00:16:53.77
that we should
have for ourselves.
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You know, we are--
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we, our bodies
are temples of God.
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We were created
by the most high God.
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You know, so we have to
treat ourselves in a way
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to show that we have
respect for ourselves.
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You know, what's
interesting, Aaron, is that
00:17:04.83\00:17:07.35
the research shows and
we don't hear this a lot,
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many prisoners have
very high self-esteem.
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People, they've
shown that people
00:17:13.32\00:17:14.54
who are hostile in the classroom
00:17:14.57\00:17:16.01
and have behavioral problems,
00:17:16.04\00:17:17.26
when they measure
them with these scales
00:17:17.29\00:17:19.21
many of them have
a high self-esteem.
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So we need to be
encouraging people to understand
00:17:21.87\00:17:24.75
why they are worth something
00:17:24.78\00:17:26.60
and helping them
understand their self worth
00:17:26.63\00:17:28.23
and then helping them
00:17:28.26\00:17:29.41
to increase their
sense of self-respect.
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One way to do that is
to teach people skills.
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Many people don't
understand their skills
00:17:35.53\00:17:37.57
and their abilities and
pointing that out to them
00:17:37.60\00:17:39.42
can really help them raise
their level of self-respect.
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Now those skills developing
is that skills that they have,
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that they may not
know that they have or?
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Both. Both, okay.
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Developing
something they know they have
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but they never have the
opportunity to work on it
00:17:50.72\00:17:52.78
or helping them find the gifts
that God has given to them.
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You know, what
interesting in prison,
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I know for myself
when I was incarcerated,
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you find some talented people.
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I believe it.
00:18:00.24\00:18:01.27
Some very talented
people that can draw well,
00:18:01.30\00:18:03.54
that make different
things out of almost nothing,
00:18:03.57\00:18:06.48
very talented people in there
00:18:06.51\00:18:08.35
but a lot of
times they only use it
00:18:08.38\00:18:10.25
when they get incarcerated.
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They don't use it while
they're out in the world,
00:18:11.51\00:18:13.41
they when they get in
there they use it as a means
00:18:13.44\00:18:15.36
to make money
and things like that.
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But, you know, in
helping each person
00:18:17.43\00:18:19.35
be able to develop that
skill that they have within,
00:18:19.38\00:18:22.51
that they may not even know
00:18:22.54\00:18:23.65
that they have is
a great, great thing.
00:18:23.68\00:18:26.00
You know, you said
something very important
00:18:26.03\00:18:27.56
in understanding our self worth.
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You know, when you think about
when God created the world,
00:18:29.40\00:18:32.16
He created the
world and everything
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the Bible says He
spoke, He spoke into existence.
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But when He came to humanity,
00:18:37.20\00:18:39.34
He didn't speak
humanity and existence.
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He came down and He got
on His hands and His knees.
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He got down there and molded
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and shaped humanity out
of the dust of the earth.
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Now that shows that
God is a relational God.
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We are special, we are
special in His sight so,
00:18:52.90\00:18:55.55
just on that and knowing
00:18:55.58\00:18:56.84
that Jesus would die
for that one, even that one,
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that one that shows that
there is some worth within us
00:19:00.20\00:19:03.90
because God loves us.
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If He didn't, I don't
believe Jesus would have died
00:19:05.48\00:19:07.45
on the cross for us.
00:19:07.48\00:19:08.51
I don't believe God
would have came down
00:19:08.54\00:19:10.43
and got on His hands and knees
and shaped and molded humanity
00:19:10.46\00:19:14.49
when all the other
beautiful things of the world,
00:19:14.52\00:19:16.71
the Garden of
Eden, the sun, the moon,
00:19:16.74\00:19:18.33
the stars, the
clouds, all these things,
00:19:18.36\00:19:20.47
He spoken to
existence but not humanity.
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He took time with humanity.
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So we are like
that apple of God's eye,
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the apple of God's eye.
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Now I want to shift gears
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and I want to talk
about the underlying solution
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to helping a victim
overcome sexual abuse
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as well as a
perpetrator overcome
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being aggressor to someone.
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Wow, if I could do
that in eight minutes
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that would be great
and I'm gonna try my best
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which is give few little notes.
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All right. All right.
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I mentioned my case
study earlier about the woman
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who began to forgive,
that is a key to overcoming,
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is to start to
forgive and move past that.
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It's also a thing
that the Bible says,
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"Forgetting those
things which are behind,
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and reaching forth towards
those things which are before,
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I press toward the mark
for the prize of the high
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calling of God in Christ Jesus."
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In Philippians 3:
13, 14 we're told that.
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We have to ask God to
help us to move past, the past.
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Okay.
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And every time
that past comes to you,
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if you claim the
promises of God's word,
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start to understand those
promises and apply it to you,
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you can move past that past.
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In fact, I can just say
something personal the way
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I'm applying that myself.
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Sometimes the enemy
tries to come at me.
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My husband died last year.
Okay, I'm sorry about that.
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He has-- sometimes
he tries to come at me
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with all kind of
things about what if,
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should have,
could have been done.
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And often times I have to
repeat the promises that says,
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forgetting those
things which are behind,
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and pressing forward to
those things which are ahead.
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And just repeating that promise,
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it might happen
several times a day.
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Whatever promise you
could find in God's word
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to help you to
contradict those thoughts
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is every helpful for a person
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who has been a
sexual abuse survivor.
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Now for the
perpetrators, is understanding
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that all of these kind
of destructive habits come
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because of selfishness.
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Plain and simple. On line.
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And when you replace God's
love with your selfishness,
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healing can come.
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I've worked with
perpetrators for years.
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And the
psychological way was helpful
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but the idea was that
they could not be cured.
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And its true with secular
psychology you can't cure it.
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When they get to know that
Jesus and God of this word--
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That's the solution.
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That's the
solution, right there.
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I remember working with
one towards the end of my time
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and he was just
dealing with shame
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and guilt and shame and guilt
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because what happens
is that shame and guilt,
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because they don't
know what to do with it,
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it takes them
back to perpetrate.
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And I said to him,
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there is a verse in the
Bible in 1 John 1:9 that says
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"If we confess our sins,
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He is faithful and
just to forgive us our sins,
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and to cleanse us
from all unrighteousness."
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He said that was such
an eye opener for him.
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I don't know what
happened to him afterward
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but I told him if
you claim that promise
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because what
happens with perpetrators
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is their thoughts
start to come back
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of wanting to hurt this child.
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Thoughts thought, as
the child comes to them,
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sexual thought start.
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And so when I
would work with them,
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we were taught to help
them change in their thoughts.
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And that's something
perpetrators have to do.
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The Bible tells us
to renew our minds.
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They have to get
help to renew their minds
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and change those thoughts
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and they
recognize God will forgive
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and they can move past this.
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So that in a quick nutshell
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that's what I can give you to
help thing to the perpetrators.
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Amen. Amen.
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You know, you talk about a story
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in your book,
"Christians, Beware!"
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I believe, about
a lady you shared
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the book "Desire of Ages" with.
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Viewers, if you don't know about
00:22:15.51\00:22:16.82
this book "Desire of Ages"
00:22:16.85\00:22:18.14
you'll get a little
snip bit of it right here
00:22:18.17\00:22:20.17
but I encourage
you to get a hold
00:22:20.20\00:22:21.52
of this book "Desire of Ages",
00:22:21.55\00:22:22.88
very, very
powerful, powerful book.
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Now Dr. Parks, I want
you to talk a little bit,
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what information you can
shed on this of how that--
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how that the
book "Desire of Ages"
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had an affect upon this lady?
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This was 50
something plus year lady,
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50 something year old
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I should say a
better way of saying.
00:22:40.59\00:22:42.19
She had been to
therapists for years
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and she came to
me and I said, Lord,
00:22:44.25\00:22:46.30
what can I do
differently with this woman?
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And what happened was
the Holy Spirit reminded me
00:22:48.13\00:22:50.80
that in the "Desire of Ages"
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which is the book
on the life of Christ,
00:22:51.96\00:22:53.55
I said the Library of Congress,
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I believe says its the best book
00:22:54.96\00:22:56.38
ever written about
the life of Christ.
00:22:56.41\00:22:58.00
And it gives us details
and inside into the Bible.
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The woman who wrote was
very inspired we believe.
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Anyway I was impressed
to take that particular page
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where it talked about the fact
00:23:06.28\00:23:07.42
that Jesus was
born out of wedlock.
00:23:07.45\00:23:08.98
I think they
call it illegitimate.
00:23:09.01\00:23:10.46
She was dealing with that,
struggling with that for years,
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a successful career woman
00:23:12.82\00:23:14.55
and she was
struggling with the fact
00:23:14.58\00:23:15.61
that she was the only
child born out of wedlock.
00:23:15.64\00:23:17.62
She couldn't get pass that.
00:23:17.65\00:23:18.97
I gave that to her to read,
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the next week she
came in and said Dr. Parks,
00:23:20.68\00:23:22.40
this has just
changed my life tremendously.
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If my Savior can go through this
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and do the work that He
did, surely I can move forward.
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Yeah. Amen, amen.
00:23:30.13\00:23:31.54
Viewers, that is
very, very powerful.
00:23:31.57\00:23:34.16
A lady was able
to make some changes
00:23:34.19\00:23:35.86
after reading the
book "Desire of Ages."
00:23:35.89\00:23:38.05
That could be you,
that maybe you viewer,
00:23:38.08\00:23:40.22
that maybe the perpetrator.
00:23:40.25\00:23:42.88
I encourage you if
you do not have the book
00:23:42.91\00:23:45.12
"Desire of Ages" try to
get a hold of that book.
00:23:45.15\00:23:48.24
Try to-- it's a great book
on the life of Jesus Christ.
00:23:48.27\00:23:51.29
Now, I want to shift here
as a little bit more Dr. Parks,
00:23:51.32\00:23:53.62
and I want to talk
about some lifestyle
00:23:53.65\00:23:55.86
changes a
person can make to help
00:23:55.89\00:23:57.77
with mental thoughts that
are going on in a person's life.
00:23:57.80\00:24:00.19
Yes, earlier I
talked about using life's,
00:24:00.22\00:24:02.24
what we call the laws of health.
00:24:02.27\00:24:03.90
You know, lifestyle strategies.
00:24:03.93\00:24:05.39
One of that is
just changing your diet.
00:24:05.42\00:24:06.95
There are foods
that we're eating
00:24:06.98\00:24:08.34
that's making us hard for us
00:24:08.37\00:24:09.83
to move past our
particular thoughts
00:24:09.86\00:24:12.94
that's getting us in the trouble
00:24:12.97\00:24:14.00
and there are
foods that are helpful.
00:24:14.03\00:24:15.65
Eating more
fruits, eating more grains,
00:24:15.68\00:24:17.65
eating more nuts and vegetables
00:24:17.68\00:24:19.57
and decreasing some
of the processed foods
00:24:19.60\00:24:21.74
and even some other
foods that we eat that we kill.
00:24:21.77\00:24:24.69
You know,
decreasing some of that
00:24:24.72\00:24:26.43
because we pick up what we eat,
00:24:26.46\00:24:27.90
you know, so
decreasing some of that,
00:24:27.93\00:24:29.60
increasing more healthy foods,
00:24:29.63\00:24:31.33
you'd be surprised at
how that will help your mind.
00:24:31.36\00:24:32.80
Yeah, what it
can do to the mind.
00:24:32.83\00:24:34.05
Another thing is
getting to bed on time.
00:24:34.08\00:24:35.60
That's hard for many
people. Yeah, for most.
00:24:35.63\00:24:37.13
One author that
we know says that
00:24:37.16\00:24:38.91
"two hours
before midnight is worth
00:24:38.94\00:24:40.61
more than four
hours after midnight."
00:24:40.64\00:24:42.49
And many of us are
getting to bed too late
00:24:42.52\00:24:44.45
and it makes us more
cranky, irritable, sad, angry,
00:24:44.48\00:24:48.00
during the day and
thus we take a lot of coffee
00:24:48.03\00:24:49.72
to cover that up.
00:24:49.75\00:24:50.93
But getting proper sleep,
00:24:50.96\00:24:52.42
getting good amount of exercise
especially when it's sunny.
00:24:52.45\00:24:55.28
Getting exercise
because you are killing
00:24:55.31\00:24:56.38
two birds with one stone.
00:24:56.41\00:24:57.44
Yeah, get the natural
vitamin D from the sunlight.
00:24:57.47\00:24:58.76
The natural
vitamin D from the sun
00:24:58.79\00:25:00.06
and more studies are
showing that sunlight,
00:25:00.09\00:25:02.71
it can increase
serotonin, you get the vitamin D
00:25:02.74\00:25:05.69
and that helps you feel better.
00:25:05.72\00:25:07.17
And then there's other
thing such as getting fresh air.
00:25:07.20\00:25:10.14
As much as you can
get out into the fresh air
00:25:10.17\00:25:11.99
because those negative ions
00:25:12.02\00:25:13.16
will help the
mind function better.
00:25:13.19\00:25:14.87
Just throwing
out a lot of things--
00:25:14.90\00:25:16.04
And these are all
natural things a person can do
00:25:16.07\00:25:18.28
without even spending a dollar.
00:25:18.31\00:25:19.42
Not even spending a dollar.
00:25:19.45\00:25:20.57
If people were doing
this, many psychiatrists
00:25:20.60\00:25:23.33
and psychological
practices would be closed,
00:25:23.36\00:25:25.43
we'd be out of job.
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You know, it's funny if I could
just say this real quickly.
00:25:26.83\00:25:28.66
When I saw the change in my
way of dealing in my practice
00:25:28.69\00:25:30.89
and people were
coming in with all the stuff,
00:25:30.92\00:25:32.15
I dealt with sexual abuse
00:25:32.18\00:25:33.80
but I'd have them
change their lifestyle.
00:25:33.83\00:25:35.55
After two or three sessions
00:25:35.58\00:25:36.74
they would be calling
in and saying I'm fine,
00:25:36.77\00:25:38.14
I don't need to come in
00:25:38.17\00:25:39.29
and the
receptionist started saying,
00:25:39.32\00:25:40.39
you're gonna lose a
lot of business, Dr. Parks,
00:25:40.42\00:25:41.90
if you continue to
do what you're doing.
00:25:41.93\00:25:43.88
So--
00:25:43.91\00:25:44.94
But you're really helping them
00:25:44.97\00:25:46.02
with some simple
things that they could do.
00:25:46.05\00:25:47.08
That's what I felt.
00:25:47.11\00:25:48.18
Instead of having
to spend so much money,
00:25:48.21\00:25:50.94
because you know,
medication these days
00:25:50.97\00:25:53.23
can be very, very costly.
00:25:53.26\00:25:55.05
But to be able to
do some natural things,
00:25:55.08\00:25:56.69
they call the eight laws
of health, the eight doctors.
00:25:56.72\00:25:59.39
Simple things that
you can do, nutrition,
00:25:59.42\00:26:01.59
exercise, water,
sunlight, temperance, air, rest,
00:26:01.62\00:26:04.33
and trusting our Lord
and Savior, Jesus Christ,
00:26:04.36\00:26:07.08
these things can
be so, so helpful.
00:26:07.11\00:26:09.48
I want you to talk for a
little bit, a few seconds,
00:26:09.51\00:26:12.20
about there maybe someone
00:26:12.23\00:26:13.63
that hasn't decided
to choose Jesus yet.
00:26:13.66\00:26:16.03
What are some
first steps that a person
00:26:16.06\00:26:17.91
needs to do to choose Jesus?
00:26:17.94\00:26:19.15
Because many
believe that, you know,
00:26:19.18\00:26:20.56
what I need to
clean myself up first
00:26:20.59\00:26:22.03
before I come to Jesus.
00:26:22.06\00:26:23.36
Can you speak on
that for a little bit?
00:26:23.39\00:26:24.55
You know the Prodigal
Son come to mind immediately.
00:26:24.58\00:26:26.82
He didn't do any cleaning up.
00:26:26.85\00:26:28.02
He just came and
the Father embraced him.
00:26:28.05\00:26:30.46
That's what we have to realize.
00:26:30.49\00:26:31.63
Our God is a God of
love and He loves people
00:26:31.66\00:26:34.55
and He wants to clean
you if you viewer, right now.
00:26:34.58\00:26:37.11
He wants to clean you.
00:26:37.14\00:26:38.51
And so that's
something to recognize
00:26:38.54\00:26:40.46
and one of the ways that
you understand who God is,
00:26:40.49\00:26:43.23
is by picking up this word.
00:26:43.26\00:26:44.29
Yeah, you have to. You have to.
00:26:44.32\00:26:45.96
It tells us who He is.
00:26:45.99\00:26:47.43
Start reading the gospels,
00:26:47.46\00:26:48.64
it gives us some
good pictures and stories
00:26:48.67\00:26:50.62
of the compassionate, caring,
tender Savior that you have.
00:26:50.65\00:26:53.70
Now the gospel is being
00:26:53.73\00:26:54.77
Matthew, Mark,
and Luke, and John.
00:26:54.80\00:26:56.26
Yes, Matthew,
Mark, Luke, and John.
00:26:56.29\00:26:57.51
The more that you
get to know a person,
00:26:57.54\00:26:59.35
the more you trust them.
00:26:59.38\00:27:00.78
Don't think about
anything that you can change,
00:27:00.81\00:27:02.83
just get to know Jesus.
00:27:02.86\00:27:03.89
The Bible says, from
beholding from glory to glory
00:27:03.92\00:27:06.11
we're changing His image.
00:27:06.14\00:27:07.23
By beholding we
become change. That's right.
00:27:07.26\00:27:08.31
So just beholding
Jesus and through His word
00:27:08.34\00:27:10.33
we can do that and then
He will help you to pray.
00:27:10.36\00:27:12.40
You'll know what to pray for.
00:27:12.43\00:27:13.89
It doesn't have to
be anything spectacular
00:27:13.92\00:27:16.08
but once you open up your heart
00:27:16.11\00:27:17.17
and start praying to the Lord
00:27:17.20\00:27:18.23
you will start to
hear Him speak to you
00:27:18.26\00:27:19.71
and you know,
address some of these issues.
00:27:19.74\00:27:22.19
So those two things,
00:27:22.22\00:27:23.30
starting out prayer
and reading His word
00:27:23.33\00:27:25.14
and getting to know who He is.
00:27:25.17\00:27:26.39
Okay, it's just
like a relationship
00:27:26.42\00:27:27.48
with a human being.
00:27:27.51\00:27:29.06
You got to spend time with Him.
00:27:29.09\00:27:30.52
You got to talk to Him
and study them basically
00:27:30.55\00:27:33.05
to understand who this
is you're dealing with.
00:27:33.08\00:27:34.85
Same thing with God
00:27:34.88\00:27:36.09
and we have to do it
through the word of God.
00:27:36.12\00:27:37.59
I want you to
take about ten seconds,
00:27:37.62\00:27:39.75
talk to the viewer,
talk to the perpetrator,
00:27:39.78\00:27:41.79
talk to the one
that has been victimize
00:27:41.82\00:27:43.96
and I want you
to speak some words
00:27:43.99\00:27:45.21
of encouragement to them.
00:27:45.24\00:27:46.38
I want to tell you
that God loves you.
00:27:46.41\00:27:50.20
He loves you and He died for you
00:27:50.23\00:27:52.60
and that love is everlasting.
00:27:52.63\00:27:54.14
He tells us
with everlasting love
00:27:54.17\00:27:55.67
He is drawing us
and He is drawing you.
00:27:55.70\00:27:57.55
If you'll just
respond to the drawing
00:27:57.58\00:27:59.17
you would be amazed at
what God can do in your life,
00:27:59.20\00:28:01.45
whether you're a victim
or survivor or a perpetrator.
00:28:01.48\00:28:04.66
God can change you. Amen.
00:28:04.69\00:28:05.87
If somebody wanted to
get a copy of your books,
00:28:05.90\00:28:08.17
five seconds how
can they get your books?
00:28:08.20\00:28:09.97
You can email me at
info@bingoodhealth.com,
00:28:10.00\00:28:13.31
bingoodhealth.com
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or you could call,
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