Hello, welcome
back to 3ABN Today Live.
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Thank you for joining
us, and if you just been
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somewhere maybe
just get in a house,
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you turned on
another channel thank you for
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watching 3ABN, and
I am here with Pastor
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John Lomacang,
Pastor Doug Batchelor,
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Pastor of the
Sacramento Central Church in
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California, and President
Director of Amazing Facts
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Ministries also
located in Sacramento,
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and Doug, thank
you for being here and
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thank you for what you've done.
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We've been doing
programs together.
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Once our first satellite
seminar we called 1997,
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I think first we did in,
I stayed in John's house.
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Did we? That's right
because I was in there.
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Yeah. Yeah. Because
that's Boss auditorium
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at Mrs. Ford's,
yeah, we were downstairs at
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Mrs. Ford's house.
Yeah okay. Kids were
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about inch tall or something.
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Yeah and it's
called the Boss auditorium.
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Larry and Harry,
Boss donated some money,
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we built a building
and now it's a storage and
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for, warehouse,
basically call center
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storing a lot of
stuff back there and we've
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expanded and had
to use a lot of that,
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but we have other
studios now thankfully,
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which you came here,
we did those with great
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success and my ad
and many, many churches
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around the world
were watching the country
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and then later we
went into satellite totally
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around the world
and we have been pro,
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you know, seminars
like this with you for
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many, many years
live ones and you are
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talking about
maybe us doing a new one
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now this coming year
reclaiming the missing
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members and somewhere
along that line we got to
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get into this practicality
of Prophecies and put it
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in a day-to-day, how
do we deal with what we
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were seeing, like
events like what's happening in
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Middle East right
now? How do I ideal with
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that? How do I sort
all of this out of my mind?
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What's happening in
our own countries and
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in the world and
religion and politics and
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how to, you know
it's discouraging if you
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don't know the
answers. That's right.
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Well Jesus gave
one general answer that
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seems to work right
now, it says in the Luke,
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I think it's 21 that
will be distress of nations,
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with perplexity
and seeing the ways
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worrying and you know
there is a proliferation
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of natural disasters
and at the time of this
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broadcast there was
just a recent one in
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New Zealand. Yes.
And I got a lot of my
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first sent pictures
from David Asscherick.
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Yeah, right. He
sent us some, we'll show
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tomorrow here.
Yeah, and somebody asking
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these questions or
calling in and David
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made it through he and
his family and I haven't
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heard in the last
couple of weeks where they are?
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How things are
going but they made it
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through that earthquake
and happy and speaking
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into diverse places
because I was there last
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year so maybe longer
than that in the same
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town, same area and
it's like wow, you know,
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yeah that's amazing.
Yeah, it is. You think at
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any given moment,
earthquakes I think are
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kind of like those
signs of the Second Coming
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that you can't predict,
but you have to be ready.
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Your house
spiritually has to be earthquake
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proof, because at
any given moment there
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could be a shaking
of immense proportion
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and speaking of that
we are living in the last
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days when there is a
shaking so there is a
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spiritual parallel
there. There is a spiritual
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earthquake
happening in our world too,
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and unless our homes
are earthquakes proof,
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they will come
around, something is gonna
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come down, look on
the rock. Yeah, okay.
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we're gonna do
some more music? Yes.
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Melody is going to be
singing another song for
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us entitled "I
Tremble" and I know you enjoy
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her music so sit
back as she blesses us.
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Lord it's with
a simple reverence
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That I come into your presence
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Whispering the
name that calms all fear
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And I'm filled with such emotion
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At Your mercy and devotion
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To think that You
would come and meet me here
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Lord I tremble. At
the very thought of
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Calvary Where You
chose me over life
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As you suffered
willingly Lord I tremble.
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At the way I'm undeserving of
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The love You came to give
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And Your blood that
makes me worthy Lord I tremble.
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Let me not forget this temple
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Is transformed
into a throne room
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Through Your name
my soul is ushered in
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So let me come to You in wonder
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Let my heart
still pound like thunder
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At the way Your grace has found
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me once again Lord I tremble
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At the very thought of Calvary
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Where You chose me over life
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As you suffered
willingly Lord I tremble
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At the way I'm undeserving of
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The love You came to give
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And Your blood
that makes me worthy
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Lord I tremble at the
way Your love has saved me
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And Your
precious grace forgave me
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Let me never take for granted
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who You are Lord I tremble.
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At the very thought of Calvary
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Where You chose me over life
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As you suffered
willingly Lord I tremble.
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At the way I'm undeserving of
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The love You came to give
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And Your blood
that makes me worthy
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Lord I tremble.
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Lord I tremble.
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Thank you so much Melody, amen
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isn't that wonderful?
Yeah, it is, I appreciate
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her so much, and the
day she is born and now
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her youngest
daughter, Baby Faith looks so
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much like Doug is
just like raise in Melody
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again I go there and
it's just like seeing her all
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over again, you
know, I just love it, and.
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Yeah, Melody is a champion.
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I mean she
really has accomplished
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something that many
people pray about but
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Melody just put in a
mind I think and prayed
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about it and the
Lord has blessed her in a
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tremendous way and
the music that you just
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heard, if you got
a melodyfirestone.com
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or melodyshelton.com,
you can see her
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products there and
also she has a book.
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Yeah she wrote a
little book, so many people
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on Facebook and I
guess few thousands
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I don't remember, but
I think something like
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that was saying how
did you lose 110 pounds.
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Wow! So she said,
well, rather than just try to
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answer every one
of these, so she put
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together a little book
with recipes and all that
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so to help people so
they could do the same thing.
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So yeah I am really
proud of her not only
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that but she is a
wonderful mother as
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you now John. Oh,
yeah. She is totally
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dedicated to those
children and Greg it's
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amazing to see
those kids and how much
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they love her and her
love for those children
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and we need that
children need to be
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raised with that type
of love in the world today
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as you know that's
not, it's almost not what we
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called not normal
anymore, but it's great
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so thank you Melody
for all you do for the
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cause of God and I'm
proud of you honey and
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I love you very
much. You know one of the
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greatest
compliments I've received her,
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I remember once when
we're singing together
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and she said, you
know I just want to say
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publicly I love my
Pastor, yes she does, and I was,
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I didn't even know
how to react to that,
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but it was just
people don't often say those
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things, yeah,
but Melody is such a
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genuine person one
who really loves the Lord
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and you see in
everything she does
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and the other thing
I must say to maintain
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your sanity when you
have so many children
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that's amazing.
Yeah, I don't know that,
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but that's a
gift. But it has been
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great and
helped significant much
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through with Doug.
Oh, yeah, he is great,
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Yeah, praise the Lord for that.
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But that is a gift.
Well, that will explain where
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my sanity went.
But you are having
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number of children too.
In fact take a break and
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tell us a little bit
about the age of these kids,
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because I was
shocked when you told me
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Steven started
college I mean, that's just.
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I've had kids in my
home now for 35 years.
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Wow! Okay. And I'm
tired, get out of my home.
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But the oldest Sheri
is 35, and the youngest
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Nathan is 14, going
on 15. Wow! And Steven is
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beginning college
student, he is graduating this
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year, he is 17.
Isn't that unreal?
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And then the Rachel
and then Daniel, yeah.
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They are scattered
all over the place.
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That's right. That's
great, it's wonderful.
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You know we asked,
six grandkids already,
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six grandkids. Okay,
alright. Oh, that's right.
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I'm gaining now,
you catching me, yeah.
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That's, that's good.
What's fun about asking
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Bible questions is
Doug and I have been doing
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Bible question for
many years in Evangelism
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and radio program, talk
about your radio program.
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You haven't
mentioned that very much.
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It's something that
we've done consistently
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now for 15 years,
Bible answers live.
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I don't know we've
got hundreds of programs
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now in the can and
it's an adventure every
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week, you've done
with me before John, right,
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and people call in
we were on 3ABN radio,
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people call in every
Sunday night, it's live,
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summary broadcasts,
but usually it's Pastor
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John Ross and
I, and they call in
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with Bible
questions. We just ask that they
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stick to the subject
of Bible questions and we
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get new questions
every week and you know
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I've got my laptop with
scriptures in front of it,
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but we really don't
know what's going to
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coming at that night.
Yeah. And thousands of
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people listen to
the program because the
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phone lines and it
just fills up, first time we
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started this program we
were telling our friends,
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call in with the
Bible question so we can
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have a question.
But now before we've
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gone on the air the
phone start lighting up
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and we stay pretty
busy. People have asked me
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now does Doug or
these pre you know
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questions, does
he know what's coming
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over the years. You
know I've interviewed
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you so many times
and sometimes he have his
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computer and sometimes
he doesn't and they say,
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now does he really
know he couldn't know
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all these things,
but I said to myself now
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these are
legitimate. There is no pre,
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no questions to him
and one night that's when
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I said, okay if I have
a need to get in front of
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somebody then I'm
gonna have to answer.
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I want Doug to be
with me, they ask summary
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questions,
ridiculous, I don't care.
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It was something
like had to do with
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Hezekiah. I don't
know if it's a relative or
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cousin or something.
I didn't even know what
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he had and somebody
said, well what, he is
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only mentioned
like once in the Bible.
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Can you tell us about
this and I'm like what a
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ridiculous
question, you know in my mind
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I think no that can't
be, is there such a person
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and Doug is like I
see, I think if you turn to
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Second King's and he
gives the chapter and
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verse number right,
you got to be kidding so
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I quickly get my
Bible and there it was.
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So I said, okay,
Doug you are on my team.
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I am getting Bible
boy I want you with me.
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I don't have my
laptop tonight, but somebody,
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somebody is after you
saying that is gonna ask
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a question I have no
idea. Well that's fine.
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I am sure nobody
knows everything but,
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it is fun to watch
you guys and John too.
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John is good at this you know.
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Yeah the fun thing
about it is and this is
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true, the more you do
it, the more you retain.
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It's truly like
exercise, the more you answer
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Bible questions
the more you remember.
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The more knowledge
you gain, but when you
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stop putting yourself
in a situation where you
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have to answer
questions off the cuff
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then you start loosing
what's there and that's
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the thing that is
so important about the
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Bible question
program. You remember I forgot
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with the statistics
are, but I only remember
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like 10 percent of
what you hear and you may
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remember you know
20 percent of what you
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read or 30
percent of what you write,
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but if you actually
share something that's what
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you've the highest
retention is if you read
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a truth and you share
it before you forget it,
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it will be stored in
your memory and so the best
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way to keep the
scriptures is as you
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were saying, give
Bible studies and you will
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remember. Okay. I was
very surprised to hear
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that somebody asked
you guys, I think John
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you too, to do a
program with a couple
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of Sunday Pastors and
talk about the Sabbath
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and do that on the
air. I still have the tape.
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Tell me about that?
Well, actually, actually
00:14:13.53\00:14:16.19
I was the one that
invited Doug and Alan
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Reinach. I was singing
for a television network
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Out West, Concorde,
Concorde is called coast
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to coast was the
program. It didn't go from coast
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to coast, but it was
called coast to coast,
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okay, and the,
R.C. House, he travels
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I think allow with
Bennie Hen but his son
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R.C House Junior. I
was there one day and
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I was singing songs,
it was in February I never
00:14:39.29\00:14:41.80
forget that because he
said, make sure all the
00:14:41.81\00:14:43.61
songs you sing are
about love because they
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want to do a
program about you know love
00:14:45.41\00:14:46.93
and
relationships. Yes. And that day
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I was so impressed I
said, Lord I know I'm
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not here just to sing
and I honestly I went to a
00:14:50.96\00:14:53.28
dark corner of the
studio, turned my face
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to the corner and
said, Lord I wanted to be on
00:14:55.55\00:14:59.95
that couch I've heard
so many things and I know
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they are not right,
and I went and sat on the
00:15:02.88\00:15:04.91
floor and waiting
for me to get called and
00:15:04.92\00:15:06.80
they said, we're
starting a new program called
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"Round Table" and then
this was your first topic
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and the owner of the
station, the host of the
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program, he says,
first one is going to be
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Sunday versus Sabbath,
really, and his staff said
00:15:17.52\00:15:20.83
are you kidding
me? Do you realize,
00:15:20.84\00:15:23.42
I mean are you
serious, I said no I am being
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very honest. He
said I was preaching a
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seminar about the
Sabbath and I will be
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honest with it,
about the Ten Commandments
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and I got to the
Sabbath. I honestly didn't know.
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So I preached about
a good Christian work
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ethic and they said
well who is going to get host
00:15:35.31\00:15:38.20
that program and he
leaned back and said,
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hey, Pastor John
Lomacang I'm sure he
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can get a couple of
guys and that's the one we
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did one was
amazing I still have that.
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We did two
programs we did one and they
00:15:47.30\00:15:48.53
also did either
death or state of dead,
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the State of dead
and Sabbath. Yeah.
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And then they
invited you back to do
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something, because
on the whole, they had
00:15:53.94\00:15:55.00
some Sunday
Pastor, but here is what
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happened, three on
each side I invited Doug and
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Alan Reinach and
then they had the host and
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two other and he said
as the program began he
00:16:03.34\00:16:05.48
said, now get your
Bible, get your pen,
00:16:05.49\00:16:06.92
get your paper, he
says, now we're gonna talk
00:16:06.93\00:16:09.23
about the Sabbath
versus Sunday, we don't
00:16:09.24\00:16:10.80
want to hear that
grandma told you do it
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or your church told
you do it, we're gonna do
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what the Bible says,
if it's not in the Bible
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we don't wanna do it
so gets your questions,
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halfway in the
program but the half hour mark
00:16:18.60\00:16:20.58
he leaned over the
desk and he said to his two
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guys, you got to
give me something they are
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killing us, but he
was honest about it. Yeah.
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And that forced a
relationship because he
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invited Doug
Batchelor to do programs.
00:16:31.42\00:16:33.04
Yeah, he invited
Alan Reinach back,
00:16:33.29\00:16:34.90
he invited me back
to defend him now on
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some new views that he
formally didn't hold to.
00:16:38.72\00:16:41.15
So it was a call to
Douglas, it was a great
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program. It's a
VHS, now I don't know how
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I'm gonna watch it but I've got
00:16:46.47\00:16:47.44
the recording of
that. You have to have put
00:16:47.45\00:16:49.78
on a DVD I would like
do that. I shall do that
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because I've told
people about that. Yeah.
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That's amazing. Tell
us about your, now we are
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going to get to these questions,
00:16:57.44\00:16:58.48
we are here, but tell
us about you have a new
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book and well, it's
like to, I do some writing
00:17:02.02\00:17:05.64
but always what
triggers a new book
00:17:05.65\00:17:08.73
and what's your
topic? Well, for the several
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years, I was part of a
revival series like you,
00:17:11.56\00:17:14.35
was called "Who do
you think you are".
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I think It's
probably the sermon of that,
00:17:16.44\00:17:18.58
it's actually played
on 3ABN, but it's a whole
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series that deals
with the power of faith
00:17:20.94\00:17:23.69
and Pacific Press
called the couple of years ago
00:17:24.55\00:17:27.16
and they said Doug
maybe you could put
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that into a book and
we can make a devotional
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book out of it and so
we did that and it's the
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devotional book for
2011 and they've got it
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I think upon the
screen. It's available through
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the ABCs and sharing
book. It's very inexpensive,
00:17:39.36\00:17:41.71
so you can get
away and it's called
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"Who do you think you
are". It's got stories of
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faith and it talks
about how the devil is really
00:17:45.69\00:17:48.12
tried to steal your
identity of Christians.
00:17:48.13\00:17:50.69
Wow! That's good.
And how to find out
00:17:50.70\00:17:52.70
who you are in
Christ? Okay. Well, I have to
00:17:52.71\00:17:55.91
read that. People say
all the time I'm trying to
00:17:55.92\00:17:58.66
find myself and this
book will help you do that.
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It was through using
scriptural foundations
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I think it's
inspiring, it encourages people
00:18:04.31\00:18:07.27
about how we can
know our new creatures?
00:18:07.28\00:18:09.43
Now Doug he has a
little different when he
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was younger, he
decided to find himself
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and ended up in cave.
I understand and tell me
00:18:14.93\00:18:18.60
if I wrong, but I
understand you end up
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living in cave naked,
can I say that on television.
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Yeah, compare to what
everything else you see
00:18:24.00\00:18:25.78
on TV, it's
probably pretty miles.
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Now is that true? It is true.
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People who maybe
haven't seen you before,
00:18:30.41\00:18:32.24
they just joining
us so you ended up as a
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young person, that's a
terrible part, living in
00:18:34.38\00:18:36.52
California in
the mountains right.
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You didn't catch,
did you pick, as terrible
00:18:38.83\00:18:40.72
point you say for those who
00:18:40.73\00:18:41.70
haven't seen you
before. Okay. Yeah, well,
00:18:41.71\00:18:46.36
a quick version of
that is, yeah, I was raised,
00:18:47.33\00:18:50.92
my mother was Jewish,
father had been raised
00:18:51.94\00:18:54.37
with the Baptist
background, but they
00:18:54.38\00:18:55.64
pretty much became
atheist before they
00:18:55.65\00:18:57.43
married and I was
raised basically atheist,
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got into trouble with
the drugs and you know
00:19:02.52\00:19:05.23
contemplated suicide,
hippy, by the time I was
00:19:05.24\00:19:10.23
15 I ran away from
home and I was trying
00:19:10.24\00:19:13.23
to find some
purpose and trying Eastern
00:19:13.24\00:19:15.36
religions as I wonder
what the purpose of life
00:19:15.37\00:19:17.22
is and I moved
into the mountains
00:19:17.23\00:19:20.16
above Palm
Springs. I moved into a cave
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there and I lived kind
like a hermit for about a
00:19:21.97\00:19:26.46
year and half. I
didn't wear clothes.
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It was in the
hills above Palm Springs.
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It was warm most of the
time and all the hippies
00:19:30.51\00:19:32.69
were doing back then
so, I mean that's you
00:19:32.70\00:19:35.05
know that's not
the, to me that's not the
00:19:35.06\00:19:36.78
exciting part of the
story. Right, it's interesting,
00:19:36.79\00:19:40.24
yeah, where you know
your mind like who has
00:19:40.25\00:19:42.96
the mind get to that
point. Well, you know I was
00:19:42.97\00:19:46.19
trying to find
God through nature.
00:19:46.20\00:19:47.28
I mean your folks
they had a lot of money,
00:19:47.29\00:19:49.23
so it's not like you
couldn't afford clothes
00:19:49.24\00:19:51.54
or couldn't have money
if you wanted to be part
00:19:51.55\00:19:54.07
of the system so
to speak go along with
00:19:54.08\00:19:55.92
things, right?
Yeah, Dad was very wealthy
00:19:55.93\00:19:58.56
and they
separated when I was three.
00:19:58.89\00:20:02.17
So mom lived in New
York city and dad lived
00:20:02.18\00:20:05.42
in Miami beach, but we
were trying to find God
00:20:05.43\00:20:09.23
through nature back
then and so the idea
00:20:09.24\00:20:11.68
the more when you
could be with nature
00:20:11.69\00:20:14.00
and so kind of hippies
were all throwing their
00:20:14.01\00:20:16.39
clothes in the bushes
and saying I'm going to
00:20:16.40\00:20:17.96
be one with nature
and this is how God
00:20:17.97\00:20:20.03
made Adam and Eve.
We tried to defend it
00:20:20.04\00:20:21.43
biblically you
know since Adam and Eve
00:20:21.44\00:20:23.49
were necked and they
were not ashamed then
00:20:23.50\00:20:24.99
so we really thought
we were being spiritual,
00:20:25.00\00:20:26.78
but take my words
friends that's not the plan.
00:20:26.79\00:20:30.89
Now what did you
find in the cave besides,
00:20:31.26\00:20:33.67
well,
rattlesnakes? Someone had left a
00:20:33.68\00:20:37.33
Bible there and I
didn't read it right away
00:20:37.34\00:20:40.08
and you know there
was all junk in the caves,
00:20:41.69\00:20:43.05
others had camped there before.
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So there were cans
and few pots and pans and
00:20:44.19\00:20:46.51
someone had left a
Bible and after living
00:20:46.52\00:20:48.72
there for several
months I started thumbing
00:20:48.73\00:20:50.62
through the Bible
because I kept running
00:20:50.63\00:20:52.31
into Christians,
there were hippies that had
00:20:52.32\00:20:56.42
converted to Jesus
and we called them Jesus
00:20:56.43\00:20:58.68
freaks back then
because they were very,
00:20:58.69\00:21:00.38
it's like they hadn't
totally come of the LSD
00:21:00.39\00:21:02.47
epidural witnessing,
yeah I remember those,
00:21:02.48\00:21:05.60
and so they were very
enthusiastic and they're
00:21:05.61\00:21:06.77
getting your face and
talking about Jesus and
00:21:06.78\00:21:09.58
I, you know I had very
little Bible background
00:21:09.59\00:21:12.58
and so I started
reading the Bible, no intention
00:21:12.59\00:21:15.81
to believe it, just
so I could argue with
00:21:15.82\00:21:17.46
Christians and it
changed my life and
00:21:17.47\00:21:20.88
so I eventually
came out of cave yeah.
00:21:21.70\00:21:23.88
And you have a book called?
00:21:23.89\00:21:25.46
The book of the
Testimony, it's called
00:21:26.17\00:21:27.75
the Richest Caveman,
alright, and I think the
00:21:27.76\00:21:30.48
whole video is
online if they just type in,
00:21:30.49\00:21:32.52
okay when we give
an address pretty soon,
00:21:33.14\00:21:34.92
will it would be an
address where people
00:21:34.93\00:21:36.22
can contact,
sure, you know they can,
00:21:36.23\00:21:38.47
Amazing facts it's
there. Amazing facts, so we
00:21:38.48\00:21:40.36
will put up and
address pretty soon so people
00:21:40.37\00:21:42.28
can contact and you
have a number of books
00:21:42.29\00:21:44.95
that you've
written, but this latest one,
00:21:44.96\00:21:46.42
"Who do you think you are",
00:21:46.78\00:21:47.75
and in a nutshell who are we?
00:21:48.13\00:21:49.78
Well when we said
Christ we become new
00:21:50.72\00:21:52.53
creatures and we
are transformed into his
00:21:52.54\00:21:54.70
image and we become
children of the king and
00:21:54.71\00:21:57.94
so appreciating
that through faith,
00:21:57.95\00:22:00.90
we are new
creatures you know the Bible
00:22:00.91\00:22:03.34
says that God calls
those things that are
00:22:03.35\00:22:05.44
not as though they
are, and so when we accept
00:22:05.45\00:22:08.18
that by faith it has
a transforming power,
00:22:08.19\00:22:10.48
and so we become new
creatures. Okay, John.
00:22:11.11\00:22:13.88
Well, we have
some Bible questions.
00:22:13.89\00:22:14.96
Yeah, let's do it.
And for those of you who
00:22:14.97\00:22:16.90
are wondering
where do you send these
00:22:16.91\00:22:18.48
questions you can
send them to live@3abn.org,
00:22:18.49\00:22:22.41
I think that's correct.
Alright! But here's one,
00:22:23.11\00:22:24.95
there it is, and this
is right up your ally,
00:22:24.96\00:22:28.47
not that the others
are not, but it says
00:22:28.93\00:22:30.31
if a person belongs
to a dying or stagnant
00:22:30.32\00:22:32.86
church, how can it
be revived when the
00:22:32.87\00:22:35.38
people don't wish the revision?
00:22:35.39\00:22:37.43
And they put they
are afraid of change how
00:22:39.02\00:22:41.20
could they
survive pretty much in the
00:22:41.21\00:22:43.10
dying church? I
wrote a book years
00:22:43.11\00:22:46.18
ago called "How to Survive",
00:22:46.19\00:22:48.69
How to survive in
church? How to Survive and
00:22:48.70\00:22:50.15
Thrive in Church? And one of the
00:22:50.16\00:22:53.30
chapters in there
is how do you know,
00:22:53.80\00:22:55.91
how do you live in what appears
00:22:56.30\00:22:57.38
to be a dead
church? And the real key is
00:22:57.39\00:23:00.58
revival begins with
you and you know the real
00:23:00.59\00:23:04.94
revival is
contagious and so when we catch
00:23:04.95\00:23:07.88
it we want to
expose ourselves as much as
00:23:07.89\00:23:09.91
we can, when we can
catch it then it's more
00:23:09.92\00:23:12.86
likely to diffuse
and spread in our church
00:23:12.87\00:23:16.15
and as we said
earlier the three things you
00:23:16.89\00:23:18.91
can do for anybody
if you want to see a
00:23:18.92\00:23:20.63
transformation is be
a good example and so if
00:23:20.64\00:23:23.60
you have a church that
it seems like things are
00:23:23.61\00:23:25.98
dead you'll be
loving and Christ like and
00:23:25.99\00:23:29.30
enthusiastic and
carbonated about your
00:23:29.31\00:23:32.28
Christianity, pray
for revival and share good
00:23:32.29\00:23:37.92
information, inspirational
information and the
00:23:37.93\00:23:40.40
truth does change and
so those are the three
00:23:40.41\00:23:42.77
things that make
a big difference.
00:23:42.78\00:23:44.79
Here is one that
actually it's addressed to me
00:23:45.68\00:23:48.02
I wanna kind of clear
this up that sometimes
00:23:48.03\00:23:50.62
you say things
without the framework and it's
00:23:50.63\00:23:52.44
sounds little differently.
And thank you so much
00:23:52.45\00:23:54.04
for sending this question,
00:23:54.05\00:23:55.02
Diana says, John Lomacang said,
00:23:55.03\00:23:57.20
something that set
my nerves on edge as
00:23:57.21\00:23:59.77
difficult as it was for
me to come back to church.
00:23:59.78\00:24:02.82
It's hard on you for
people to say you just
00:24:02.83\00:24:05.72
sitting off in a corner potting.
00:24:05.73\00:24:07.57
It's actually pretty
huge that they are even there.
00:24:08.46\00:24:11.07
And so I don't want
you to be offended by that
00:24:11.88\00:24:15.63
statement if it sound
incorrect I do apologize
00:24:15.64\00:24:18.54
for that, but the point
of the matter is we were
00:24:18.55\00:24:20.92
saying there are
various things that cause people
00:24:20.93\00:24:22.91
to stray away from
church and I spoke to
00:24:22.92\00:24:26.73
someone actually
today, a member who just
00:24:26.74\00:24:29.37
went through a very
difficult crisis and that
00:24:29.38\00:24:32.13
person's life from
being general, I don't want to
00:24:32.14\00:24:33.64
be male or female
just so that nobody would
00:24:33.65\00:24:35.46
really narrow it
down. And I said one of the
00:24:35.47\00:24:38.19
first things that
usually happens when a person
00:24:38.20\00:24:39.90
decide to stay
away from church, is the
00:24:39.91\00:24:43.01
spiritual life is the
first thing that gets impacted
00:24:43.16\00:24:45.48
and the long do
you stay away the more
00:24:46.14\00:24:48.03
concrete it gets to
hard, it's like concrete that
00:24:48.04\00:24:51.66
start setting
and somebody has to
00:24:51.67\00:24:53.73
literally come and
break up the concrete by
00:24:53.74\00:24:55.76
loving you back.
That's right. And you know,
00:24:55.77\00:24:58.33
also as a Pastor
Doug, I know you had this
00:24:58.34\00:24:59.94
experience, sometimes
even as Pastors we have
00:24:59.95\00:25:04.16
to pray for, now
speaking of my own
00:25:04.17\00:25:06.37
experience, we have
to pray for wisdom to go
00:25:06.98\00:25:09.16
after that person so we
could say the right thing
00:25:09.17\00:25:11.48
and but yet there
are many situations that
00:25:12.68\00:25:15.59
cause people be out
there so, what do you
00:25:15.60\00:25:18.15
say to people that
are at home and maybe they
00:25:18.16\00:25:21.06
are therefore, maybe
they've been offended,
00:25:21.07\00:25:23.71
how do you help a
person in that respect?
00:25:23.72\00:25:25.85
Well I think it helps me
to realize that if I were
00:25:26.46\00:25:31.00
the devil the very
thing I would do is try to
00:25:31.01\00:25:35.01
keep people from
going to church by getting
00:25:35.02\00:25:37.85
someone to hurt
their feelings and you know
00:25:37.86\00:25:41.08
would we wanna join
Jesus' Church and yet
00:25:41.43\00:25:44.32
he had a Judas in
the church that was so
00:25:44.33\00:25:47.24
insensible, betrayed the savior.
00:25:47.25\00:25:49.24
And so it's, you know,
it's expected that there
00:25:50.17\00:25:53.68
is gonna be friendly
fire. You look at the stories
00:25:53.69\00:25:56.64
in the Bible, first
murder it was a brother.
00:25:56.65\00:26:00.31
You know right there
in the beginning of the
00:26:02.17\00:26:03.82
Bible and Joseph was
sold by his brothers.
00:26:03.83\00:26:06.53
David is made fun of
by his brothers and chased
00:26:08.00\00:26:10.15
by his own king,
betrayed by his own,
00:26:10.16\00:26:12.41
attacked by his own
son and you just see the
00:26:12.42\00:26:16.60
history in the Bible
that the devil has often tried
00:26:16.61\00:26:18.61
to work from within by
causing friendly fire in
00:26:18.62\00:26:21.44
the family, a
family feud, and so it's
00:26:21.45\00:26:24.07
expected, it's
anticipated when you join the
00:26:24.08\00:26:25.89
church you know a
lot of our Amazing Facts
00:26:25.90\00:26:28.62
Evangelists when
people are baptized
00:26:28.63\00:26:30.29
they try and prep
them and say now you may
00:26:30.30\00:26:32.83
find when you join the
flock of God, the family
00:26:32.84\00:26:35.34
of God that there
is gonna be imperfect
00:26:35.35\00:26:37.14
people in there and
there might be people
00:26:37.15\00:26:38.85
that will hurt your feelings.
00:26:38.86\00:26:39.83
Just put on your armor
really and realize that
00:26:40.44\00:26:42.92
those people
need love also and so
00:26:42.93\00:26:45.63
Jesus is our example.
He will never let you down.
00:26:47.32\00:26:49.67
That's right. And so
keep your eyes on Him;
00:26:50.30\00:26:52.08
don't be discouraged
by somebody that might
00:26:52.46\00:26:54.21
offend you. I have
got a question here that
00:26:54.65\00:26:57.39
maybe I can
address new guys comment it
00:26:57.40\00:26:59.70
says, well, what
happen if all the Adventist
00:26:59.71\00:27:02.15
channels got together
and it says I think it
00:27:02.16\00:27:05.57
would really be a
blessing for them to
00:27:05.58\00:27:07.09
join together it
could bless the whole world,
00:27:07.10\00:27:08.95
why can it happen
in the sense we are
00:27:09.55\00:27:11.49
together because
what puts us together
00:27:11.50\00:27:13.69
is the a same
message. We are preaching the
00:27:13.70\00:27:15.73
same message,
but there are so much
00:27:15.74\00:27:17.95
programming
available, no one channel could
00:27:17.96\00:27:20.02
do it just like
3ABN itself has about 6
00:27:20.03\00:27:22.74
channels or so
now, we kind of Sunbeam,
00:27:22.75\00:27:24.98
you know our
Proclaim, our Russian channel,
00:27:24.99\00:27:28.14
our new Dare to Dream channel,
00:27:28.40\00:27:29.92
Latino you know
regular 3ABN and then
00:27:29.93\00:27:34.06
of course Hope
has a few channels and
00:27:34.07\00:27:36.33
Amazing Facts has
channel up there now
00:27:36.34\00:27:38.53
right, and so there
is others you know LLB
00:27:38.54\00:27:41.51
all of these people
and no one person is going
00:27:41.52\00:27:44.29
to reach everybody so
with different entities
00:27:44.30\00:27:47.20
it's like to say let's
build one big church and all
00:27:47.21\00:27:50.14
Adventists go to
that one church come
00:27:50.15\00:27:51.74
together, well it's
not practical in the same
00:27:51.75\00:27:54.18
sense to me, it's not practical.
00:27:54.19\00:27:56.09
In fact it's great
because we have a totally
00:27:56.10\00:27:58.06
different audience.
For instance so in G-19,
00:27:58.07\00:28:00.68
a satellite that some
of you have there are a
00:28:00.69\00:28:02.99
number of Adventist
channels, but most of
00:28:03.00\00:28:05.38
you getting 3ABN on
Dish Network were the
00:28:05.39\00:28:08.41
only one there with
those 15 million homes,
00:28:08.42\00:28:11.16
this full time channel
for hundreds if not few
00:28:11.41\00:28:15.14
thousands cable
stations around the world
00:28:15.15\00:28:17.23
is getting 3ABN,
those on satellite systems,
00:28:18.25\00:28:21.69
those on of
course internet or own
00:28:22.42\00:28:24.21
channels, 3ABN has
all the downlink stations,
00:28:24.22\00:28:28.12
a 120 or 130 what
have you plus nearly 200
00:28:28.13\00:28:31.25
radio stations, they
are reaching different
00:28:31.26\00:28:33.78
people than Hope
reaching over here or
00:28:33.79\00:28:35.93
maybe Amazing Facts
is reaching over here.
00:28:35.94\00:28:38.01
So all of us together
are reaching different areas
00:28:38.63\00:28:41.70
of the world, so it's
not a competition thing,
00:28:41.71\00:28:44.73
we are all just
doing what God has blessed
00:28:45.17\00:28:47.50
us to do and we work together.
00:28:47.51\00:28:49.51
In fact the unity that
we pray for each other and
00:28:49.52\00:28:52.15
wish everybody
well and you know this
00:28:52.16\00:28:55.90
message to go
to an entire world.
00:28:55.91\00:28:57.71
So it's like saying
maybe let's just support
00:28:57.72\00:29:00.97
Doug Batchelor, an
Evangelist, let's all get
00:29:00.98\00:29:03.16
behind him. Well
let's do, let's get
00:29:03.17\00:29:05.03
behind John
Lomacang too and John can be
00:29:05.04\00:29:07.55
preaching to an
audience over here.
00:29:07.56\00:29:09.09
Doug is
preaching to someone there.
00:29:09.46\00:29:10.95
David Asscherick is
preaching to someone
00:29:11.21\00:29:13.04
over here, right, and
that's really so I hope
00:29:13.05\00:29:15.80
that answers your
question, but I don't
00:29:15.81\00:29:17.34
know if you guys
having comments on it, but.
00:29:17.35\00:29:19.55
Well, for one thing
we are working together
00:29:20.16\00:29:21.44
I mean, yeah, obviously
we do things every year
00:29:21.45\00:29:24.02
and we are here
together now, right,
00:29:24.03\00:29:25.99
so when they say
working together if they
00:29:26.00\00:29:28.34
talking about consolidating
all of them into one
00:29:28.35\00:29:31.38
I remember some of
the first vehicles I drove
00:29:32.00\00:29:34.39
had a radio with one speaker.
00:29:34.40\00:29:35.77
I'm really glad
thought the cars have about six
00:29:36.60\00:29:38.73
speakers and it kind
of gives you surround
00:29:38.74\00:29:41.05
sound and I am not
going go poke out the
00:29:41.06\00:29:42.98
other speakers, yeah,
yeah. So, you get back to
00:29:42.99\00:29:45.79
mono again. Yeah,
I will be honest that
00:29:45.80\00:29:47.88
I have G-19 at
home and it's wonderful
00:29:47.89\00:29:51.02
having the options
because different hours
00:29:51.03\00:29:52.86
of day, different
people are available and you
00:29:52.87\00:29:56.81
have such so many
choices now that it
00:29:56.82\00:30:00.27
multiplies the
voices and the messages,
00:30:00.28\00:30:03.07
so many more people
are hearing what they
00:30:03.85\00:30:05.92
need to hear when they
need to hear it and it's,
00:30:05.93\00:30:07.95
I think it's
multiplying the impact.
00:30:07.96\00:30:09.58
Like you know we were
in, well, actually I was
00:30:10.00\00:30:13.33
in Australia and I
was speaking at a church
00:30:13.34\00:30:17.41
there few years ago
and a family showed up
00:30:17.42\00:30:19.95
and I told Moses
about, hey Moses I am so glad
00:30:20.69\00:30:24.27
that you guys are broadcasting
00:30:24.28\00:30:26.27
in these cities.
We don't have any
00:30:26.28\00:30:28.04
contract in that
city. When I broadcasting
00:30:28.05\00:30:30.71
there I said, well,
how did you get this?
00:30:30.72\00:30:33.15
He said I have no idea
how they got it, but that
00:30:33.16\00:30:36.14
family not a Adventist
family, they came to the
00:30:36.15\00:30:38.49
meetings and somehow
they heard that I was
00:30:38.50\00:30:41.85
going to be there,
not through the people
00:30:41.86\00:30:44.00
that invited me
because nobody knew who they
00:30:44.01\00:30:45.80
were, so it's
amazing. They were watching.
00:30:45.81\00:30:48.15
They were watching
either on the internet or
00:30:48.39\00:30:50.46
it was in, actually
was in Sydney, Australia.
00:30:50.47\00:30:53.60
And so it's
amazing how God gets around
00:30:54.23\00:30:56.22
and what's nice about
that is, it increases the
00:30:56.56\00:30:58.60
possibilities of
people being able to see the
00:30:58.61\00:31:00.63
programming when
it's on a number of
00:31:00.64\00:31:02.98
channels because
can you imagine all the
00:31:02.99\00:31:05.06
channels, now-a-days
you have to find that
00:31:05.07\00:31:06.65
one channel with
all Adventists on it,
00:31:06.66\00:31:08.45
but there are so many more.
00:31:09.00\00:31:09.97
So praise the
God diversity. Amen.
00:31:09.98\00:31:11.53
Doug somebody wants
to know that should you
00:31:12.33\00:31:14.00
talk about setting
dates and of course you don't
00:31:14.01\00:31:17.56
agree that this is
likely to happen that Jesus
00:31:17.57\00:31:20.47
coming on these
particular dates in May,
00:31:20.48\00:31:22.51
they said in some
ways where we lessening the
00:31:23.20\00:31:26.85
fact there is an urgency
that Jesus is coming soon.
00:31:26.86\00:31:30.32
They want you to
come, where do you see us in
00:31:30.33\00:31:32.66
this world history if
you don't think it's ending,
00:31:32.67\00:31:34.87
May 31st, when do
you think it's gonna end?
00:31:35.37\00:31:38.01
Yeah, and I think
that the date that Herold
00:31:38.85\00:31:41.10
Campaign in particular
speaking is May 21st or
00:31:41.11\00:31:44.25
22nd I forget, but
most people when they try
00:31:44.26\00:31:48.18
and say how does
He come to that date?
00:31:48.19\00:31:50.42
Nobody but He
understands the logic
00:31:52.61\00:31:55.30
behind it. It's to me
and I don't want to be
00:31:55.31\00:31:57.71
unkind but it's
just seems like very
00:31:57.72\00:31:59.13
convoluted theology.
We began the broadcast
00:31:59.14\00:32:02.35
by saying, I've got
this inner sense that we're
00:32:02.36\00:32:05.44
living in times that
are very profound that
00:32:05.45\00:32:09.29
something is unfolding,
that we are living in the
00:32:09.30\00:32:12.42
last days and you know,
Peter said, day with the
00:32:12.43\00:32:15.94
Lord is like a
thousand years and thousand
00:32:15.95\00:32:17.64
years is a day and
I think that we should
00:32:17.65\00:32:19.50
plan with long
range plans for Evangelism
00:32:19.51\00:32:22.82
and I will be very
happy if the Lord comes
00:32:23.93\00:32:26.12
before I get to go
to Jakarta, I never been
00:32:26.13\00:32:27.90
there, looking forward
to it but God says Doug.
00:32:27.91\00:32:29.93
I am going to come
first. I am not going to
00:32:30.55\00:32:31.74
say Lord but wait
I haven't preached in
00:32:31.75\00:32:33.31
Jakarta yet. So
you know if God comes
00:32:33.32\00:32:36.37
sooner, wonderful, but
yeah I think we need to
00:32:36.38\00:32:39.78
guard against setting a date.
00:32:39.79\00:32:42.20
Jesus said, we can
know when the time is near.
00:32:42.52\00:32:44.40
That's right. But no man
knows the day or the hour.
00:32:44.72\00:32:46.66
I think we do
know the time is near.
00:32:46.67\00:32:48.10
Yeah, that was
Matthew 24:32, we could know
00:32:48.69\00:32:50.70
by all the budding
flowers as the summer
00:32:50.71\00:32:53.13
is coming, in the
very same way all these
00:32:53.14\00:32:54.64
events starting happen together,
00:32:54.65\00:32:56.41
tells us these thoughts.
It's time of the times.
00:32:57.26\00:32:58.36
You have another one Danny?
00:32:59.86\00:33:00.83
Yeah, we have several here.
00:33:01.06\00:33:02.20
I am trying to pick
out which one for sure.
00:33:02.21\00:33:04.14
I have someone Dr.
Conley he said Danny talked to
00:33:04.61\00:33:07.63
earlier about
Pastor Doug and Pastor John
00:33:07.64\00:33:10.70
have an tag team and
he didn't hear what you
00:33:10.71\00:33:13.16
guys thought about
it, so you're doing tag,
00:33:13.17\00:33:16.72
prophecy tag team?
Well, some tag team
00:33:16.73\00:33:19.13
maybe a practicality.
But you use to do Bible
00:33:19.14\00:33:21.01
questions with
John? Yeah. You would help
00:33:21.02\00:33:23.57
me doing our
Evangelistic meetings.
00:33:23.58\00:33:24.87
He supposed to be
singing, it help me do
00:33:24.88\00:33:26.36
you know you can
read the questions and
00:33:26.37\00:33:28.35
ostensibly I was
supposed to answer
00:33:28.36\00:33:29.88
but John got so
excited. I had several times
00:33:29.89\00:33:33.24
I just did sit out what
he answered, he'd read the
00:33:33.25\00:33:35.37
questions, hey,
let me answer that one.
00:33:35.38\00:33:36.95
Alright, oh, that's a tag team.
00:33:37.46\00:33:39.12
We've done a
tag team before you.
00:33:39.13\00:33:40.56
Yeah, one of our
lighter moments in the
00:33:40.88\00:33:42.88
Sacramento
Carmichael Church years ago when
00:33:42.89\00:33:44.81
that was being taped
actually and I've fell
00:33:44.82\00:33:48.20
into the trap of,
well, okay when we add
00:33:48.21\00:33:50.95
another thing to
that questions and started
00:33:50.96\00:33:52.50
doing that too
frequently as Doug said,
00:33:52.51\00:33:53.96
John would you cut that out.
00:33:54.43\00:33:55.40
I am supposed to
answer the questions,
00:33:55.41\00:33:56.80
you ask them, and he
said besides you it look
00:33:56.81\00:33:59.80
like a car with his
doors open, my ears and I said
00:33:59.81\00:34:03.55
you look like a
comfortable with top down.
00:34:03.56\00:34:05.41
You had to be there.
It was a lighter moment.
00:34:06.69\00:34:08.53
It was a lighter
moment, it was, okay, but we
00:34:08.54\00:34:10.80
loved doing that
together. So we will think about
00:34:10.81\00:34:12.93
that maybe in the future
doing something like that.
00:34:12.94\00:34:14.56
I am sure we will. Well great.
00:34:14.57\00:34:15.99
Well that's the beauty
of having a network and
00:34:16.00\00:34:18.41
again thanks to all
of you for your love and
00:34:18.42\00:34:21.16
your prayers and
financial support of
00:34:21.17\00:34:23.16
these ministries
of 3ABN and Amazing
00:34:23.17\00:34:24.94
Facts where we
literally have this opportunity.
00:34:24.95\00:34:27.91
I am really more
conscious than ever
00:34:28.62\00:34:31.40
when I see already that
Christians can't be these
00:34:31.41\00:34:35.51
Pentecost folk, can't be
foster parents if they are
00:34:35.52\00:34:39.89
teaching about homosexuality
00:34:39.90\00:34:41.94
and probably a
numerous other things
00:34:42.15\00:34:45.01
and how is that
effecting the airways or
00:34:45.76\00:34:47.87
certain things
in Canada already.
00:34:47.88\00:34:49.60
You can't, they
call and what is hey?
00:34:50.06\00:34:51.49
Hate speech! Hate
speech or something,
00:34:51.87\00:34:53.64
or hate crimes, if you
disagree and the others
00:34:53.65\00:34:55.95
I've mentioned earlier
people disagree with us
00:34:55.96\00:34:58.31
all the time as
Christians they can call
00:34:58.32\00:35:01.40
us all the kind of
things for believing in creation
00:35:01.41\00:35:04.25
and so it's almost
overwhelming the time
00:35:05.00\00:35:08.89
how short it is and
that we need to take
00:35:08.90\00:35:11.32
advantage of that
and as we joined together
00:35:11.33\00:35:14.10
and prayerfully and
financially we can reach
00:35:14.80\00:35:17.87
so many avenues to
reach, but we wanna get
00:35:17.88\00:35:20.49
it while we can get
on here and talk to where
00:35:20.50\00:35:23.91
we are tonight, give
our opinions and give what
00:35:23.92\00:35:26.55
the Bible says,
it's not our opinions,
00:35:28.13\00:35:29.10
it's important actually
but it's how we perceive
00:35:29.11\00:35:30.54
Bible truth and we
have the freedom to do that.
00:35:31.05\00:35:33.10
So thank you for
your support that we can
00:35:33.11\00:35:35.18
continue to do that.
Amen. Here is a person
00:35:35.19\00:35:37.65
by the name of
Tommy that has question;
00:35:37.66\00:35:39.28
was Jesus created or
was He like God just there?
00:35:39.86\00:35:44.85
My wife is a
Jehovah's Witness and I
00:35:45.62\00:35:47.64
believes that Jesus was created,
00:35:47.65\00:35:50.12
and she believes that
Jesus was created by God,
00:35:50.40\00:35:52.79
but he is adding I
don't believe that but I can't
00:35:53.26\00:35:55.24
find the scriptures.
Well it's quite a few
00:35:55.25\00:35:59.21
scriptures and I've
got be careful to rash and
00:35:59.22\00:36:02.32
how much I'll say
here, she will stop me,
00:36:02.33\00:36:03.88
from everlasting to
everlasting that our
00:36:05.51\00:36:07.55
God, Christ is the
alpha and the omega.
00:36:07.56\00:36:10.54
The Bible says that
all things that were made,
00:36:11.34\00:36:13.79
this to me is what
they were called a Slam
00:36:13.80\00:36:15.56
Dunk who speak basketballs,
00:36:15.57\00:36:17.39
it's what they call
it, yeah, but I don't slam
00:36:17.40\00:36:19.71
dunk, but its nice
thought. We can get a hooked
00:36:19.72\00:36:22.69
down low for it, but
you can, yeah can't afford,
00:36:22.70\00:36:25.06
but this to me is a
slam dunk is that, the Bible
00:36:25.07\00:36:28.08
says all things that
were made or made by Him
00:36:28.09\00:36:30.77
and without Him was not anything
00:36:30.78\00:36:32.55
made that was made.
If all things were made
00:36:32.56\00:36:36.57
by Christ, the word
and if He was made by the
00:36:36.58\00:36:40.49
father then He
didn't make Himself which
00:36:40.50\00:36:42.47
means He didn't
make all things and
00:36:42.48\00:36:45.41
furthermore the Bible
says that God is love.
00:36:45.42\00:36:48.15
If God, the Father
existed without the son
00:36:49.04\00:36:51.66
for Aeons and the son
was the first creation as
00:36:51.67\00:36:56.71
some Jehovah Witnesses believe;
00:36:56.72\00:36:58.19
how can God be love
with no one to love?
00:36:59.13\00:37:00.84
But if God has
always been the God, head of
00:37:02.61\00:37:05.62
the father, son and
spirit, there can always
00:37:05.63\00:37:08.21
be love existing
between them you can't
00:37:08.22\00:37:10.93
be love without giving
and so if God the Father
00:37:11.06\00:37:14.84
was self-existing
with no other being he
00:37:14.85\00:37:17.97
couldn't be loved. Is
this that makes sense?
00:37:17.98\00:37:21.03
Yeah. And so there is
a lot of you know from
00:37:21.04\00:37:23.08
it says that in the
Bible Jesus says before
00:37:23.09\00:37:27.47
Abraham was "I am"
the term "I am" is uses
00:37:27.48\00:37:30.10
the self existence
one. That's right. And they
00:37:30.11\00:37:32.96
got a little book
that Amazing Facts, if you
00:37:33.77\00:37:35.32
don't mind can I
mentioned it, no go
00:37:35.33\00:37:36.71
ahead, it's free
people can download it's call
00:37:36.72\00:37:38.19
the Trinity Is A Biblical,
they just go to Amazing
00:37:38.20\00:37:41.00
Facts under the Fre
Library, the Trinity is a
00:37:41.01\00:37:43.31
Biblical to whole
Bible study on that subject
00:37:43.32\00:37:45.20
and we will have a lot
of these same version there.
00:37:46.14\00:37:48.30
Let me add a couple
verses since the time
00:37:48.49\00:37:49.94
our tag teaming.
Sure. Okay. One of the ones,
00:37:49.95\00:37:52.36
you know, having
lived in New York City
00:37:52.74\00:37:54.88
that's with watch
tower located and we wanted
00:37:56.29\00:37:58.32
to be kind also we
are not slamming anyone
00:37:58.33\00:38:00.83
particularly with on
that particular teaching,
00:38:00.84\00:38:03.23
the believe is that
Jesus is mighty God and the
00:38:04.02\00:38:07.69
Father is almighty
God, that's one of the
00:38:07.70\00:38:10.14
phrases, but that's not
actually true because in
00:38:10.15\00:38:13.03
Revelation 1,
speaking about Jesus He says,
00:38:13.04\00:38:15.99
I am the Alpha and
the Omega, the beginning
00:38:16.00\00:38:18.35
and the end says
the Lord who is and who
00:38:18.36\00:38:21.88
was and who is to
come, the Almighty
00:38:21.89\00:38:25.07
and then in
Hebrews one, last one here,
00:38:25.67\00:38:28.00
speaking of the Lord,
speaking of the Father,
00:38:29.79\00:38:32.94
now the Father says
God at various times in
00:38:33.59\00:38:35.89
different ways
spoken times pass by to the
00:38:35.90\00:38:40.72
Father by the
prophets has in these last day
00:38:40.73\00:38:43.09
spoken to us through
his son, but now listen
00:38:43.10\00:38:45.93
what is God has said
that, but now listen to
00:38:45.94\00:38:47.69
the son, in verse 8
of Hebrew's 1, but to
00:38:47.70\00:38:50.37
the son he says,
"Your throne, O God,
00:38:50.38\00:38:53.48
is forever and ever".
And so ever and ever is
00:38:53.49\00:38:57.26
a term meaning never beginning,
00:38:57.27\00:38:59.48
and never an end.
Yeah. Jesus is eternal
00:38:59.49\00:39:01.86
future path. He was not
made, He is not a creature.
00:39:02.37\00:39:05.21
He is a creator. That's right.
00:39:05.55\00:39:06.96
Here is an interesting
question, it says if and
00:39:08.70\00:39:11.53
you have to tell us
if this is true or not,
00:39:11.54\00:39:13.67
if the Ten
Commandments existed in heaven,
00:39:14.14\00:39:16.34
how do you apply
the Seventh Commandment
00:39:17.55\00:39:19.33
since the angels do not marry?
00:39:19.34\00:39:21.06
Or you might even
ask how would you apply
00:39:22.28\00:39:24.11
the Fourth Commandment
if you know before the
00:39:24.12\00:39:26.56
world is made you
have the Rotation of the
00:39:26.57\00:39:28.67
planet how would
they keep the Sabbath
00:39:28.68\00:39:30.36
I mean is it
govern by a son up there
00:39:30.37\00:39:33.02
in heaven
somewhere. When we talked about
00:39:33.03\00:39:35.48
the Ten Commandments
existing before, Paul
00:39:35.49\00:39:38.49
says, all of
the Commandments are
00:39:38.50\00:39:39.81
summarized in, I love
the Lord with all your
00:39:39.82\00:39:42.98
heart and love your
neighbor as yourself,
00:39:42.99\00:39:44.75
so the principles
of the Ten Commandments
00:39:45.06\00:39:46.93
have always existed
and principles of for
00:39:46.94\00:39:49.91
instance like the
Seventh Commandment, fidelity
00:39:49.92\00:39:53.30
to covenants that's
what marriage is about it's
00:39:53.31\00:39:55.58
fidelity to a
covenant that's how it existed
00:39:55.59\00:39:58.15
and principles of
worshiping God and
00:39:58.89\00:40:00.61
resting in God that
you find in the Sabbath,
00:40:00.62\00:40:02.65
that's how it's
existed, so certainly these
00:40:02.96\00:40:05.55
principles of the Ten
Commandments are eternal.
00:40:05.56\00:40:07.38
God said back in
the Garden of Eden when
00:40:08.16\00:40:11.13
Cain was, not garden
but right after that when
00:40:11.14\00:40:14.82
Cain was thinking
murdering his brother,
00:40:14.83\00:40:16.75
God said, sin lies at your door.
00:40:17.44\00:40:19.42
And there is no law written yet.
00:40:20.53\00:40:22.69
So what sin?
Without law there is no sin.
00:40:22.70\00:40:25.94
So the law don't
murder must have existed back
00:40:26.42\00:40:29.64
in Cain's day,
even though the Ten
00:40:29.65\00:40:32.39
Commandments were
written. So they have always
00:40:32.40\00:40:34.42
been, so that's a good question.
00:40:34.43\00:40:36.70
Many people are saying that the
00:40:37.97\00:40:40.28
Ten Commandments
the first time they made
00:40:40.29\00:40:42.65
any entrance they
were given on Mount Sinai
00:40:42.66\00:40:45.40
by God to Moses
but only for the Jews.
00:40:45.71\00:40:47.90
Can I, let me just
throw one more reference,
00:40:49.76\00:40:51.49
go ahead, Joseph
lived long before on Mount
00:40:52.29\00:40:53.60
Sinai, and when he
was tempted by part of his
00:40:53.61\00:40:56.60
wife he said how
can I do this evil
00:40:56.61\00:40:58.53
and sin against
God? And so how did he
00:40:58.54\00:41:01.07
know, and so he
knew adultery was wrong
00:41:01.08\00:41:02.92
long before the
Ten Commandments.
00:41:03.51\00:41:04.76
God originally, keep
in mind, the word of God
00:41:05.75\00:41:08.87
existed from the beginning.
00:41:10.15\00:41:11.50
Moses wrote down was
the first one to codified,
00:41:12.20\00:41:15.76
up until the time of
Moses the word of God
00:41:15.77\00:41:17.71
was given orally.
And so they knew it.
00:41:17.72\00:41:22.44
They passed it on.
Their minds were so
00:41:22.45\00:41:24.77
magnificent in
the Garden of Eden,
00:41:24.78\00:41:26.99
they had photographic memories.
00:41:27.00\00:41:28.36
And Adam and Eve
communicated the truth
00:41:29.38\00:41:32.63
verbatim from
God. They got from the
00:41:32.64\00:41:35.06
mouth of God to their
offspring and they were
00:41:35.07\00:41:38.25
able to retain it.
But after the flood,
00:41:38.26\00:41:40.52
and keep in mind,
Abraham knew Shem,
00:41:41.39\00:41:44.75
the son of Noah,
who had lived before the
00:41:46.74\00:41:50.49
flood lived during
the time of Abraham.
00:41:50.50\00:41:52.88
And so they had
been transferring things
00:41:54.26\00:41:56.71
orally then.
Abraham lived 175 years,
00:41:56.72\00:41:59.17
their minds were incredible.
00:41:59.18\00:42:00.26
You know how much I
will remember when I am 175.
00:42:00.71\00:42:02.82
The rate I am
going. Did anyone keep the
00:42:04.93\00:42:07.45
Sabbath before it
was handed to Moses?
00:42:07.46\00:42:10.60
You know the
answer of that all at you.
00:42:11.10\00:42:12.43
As a matter of fact,
Genesis 26 and verse 5,
00:42:12.72\00:42:14.54
Abraham before
even the call of the,
00:42:14.55\00:42:16.28
before Abraham
alone before Isaac, before
00:42:16.48\00:42:19.40
Jacob, the Bible says
in Genesis 26 and verse 5,
00:42:19.41\00:42:22.65
Abraham kept my Commandments,
00:42:22.66\00:42:24.78
my statutes, and my
laws. So it couldn't be,
00:42:24.79\00:42:27.64
where's that found,
Genesis 26 and verse 5
00:42:27.65\00:42:29.92
Okay so those
of you at you home.
00:42:29.93\00:42:31.24
And in Exodus before
Mount Sinai one of the
00:42:31.25\00:42:33.51
reasons why Pharaoh
was upset with Moses is
00:42:33.52\00:42:35.65
because he gave
them one day to rest.
00:42:35.66\00:42:39.09
When we look at the
word rest there it's the
00:42:39.10\00:42:40.84
Hebrew word for Sabbath. Okay.
00:42:40.85\00:42:43.05
So he restored to
them. He reminded them up
00:42:43.06\00:42:45.32
the Sabbath. While
they were still in slavery?
00:42:45.33\00:42:47.00
While they were
in Egypt, in Egypt,
00:42:47.01\00:42:48.58
before they left,
advantage they were
00:42:48.59\00:42:50.48
keeping the Sabbath,
exactly, but they were
00:42:50.49\00:42:51.99
always upset about it.
And last point is before
00:42:52.00\00:42:54.75
they got to Mount
Sinai, Exodus 16 says,
00:42:54.76\00:42:57.59
the Lord tested them
on the Sabbath how long
00:42:58.19\00:43:00.47
do you refuse to
keep my Commandments?
00:43:00.48\00:43:02.25
How long do you
refuse to keep my Sabbath?
00:43:02.91\00:43:04.75
Was that in chronological
order or I've heard
00:43:04.91\00:43:07.47
people say about
those chapters that are just
00:43:07.48\00:43:09.31
not in the right
order. Oh no Exodus, when
00:43:09.32\00:43:10.29
when they were,
before they got to Sinai,
00:43:12.33\00:43:13.87
the Lord tested
them on diet. Okay.
00:43:13.88\00:43:16.06
And the issue was
there will be no food on the
00:43:16.07\00:43:17.93
Sabbath, before they
got to Sinai before the
00:43:17.94\00:43:20.26
Commandments were written down.
00:43:20.27\00:43:21.24
Okay. Well. And the
Pharaoh said the actual
00:43:21.25\00:43:23.72
word there in
Genesis, I am sorry Exodus when
00:43:23.73\00:43:26.64
the Pharaoh said, why
do make the people Sabbath?
00:43:26.65\00:43:28.90
Exactly! So you
are making the people
00:43:29.48\00:43:31.26
Sabbath and I am
gonna increase their labor.
00:43:31.27\00:43:33.66
Oh! Wow! Don't
let them rest. Okay.
00:43:34.10\00:43:36.50
So when we hear all of
these because that's one
00:43:36.51\00:43:38.68
of the things we
hear so much about is the
00:43:38.69\00:43:41.52
Sabbath was just for
the Jews given to the
00:43:41.53\00:43:43.65
Jews on Mount
Sinai and before that.
00:43:43.66\00:43:46.38
That always astounds
me because and I don't
00:43:46.39\00:43:48.47
wanna say this is
graceful. And pastors, I am not
00:43:48.48\00:43:50.83
talking about just
individuals, yeah okay
00:43:50.84\00:43:52.25
we go with
pastors because of our Ten
00:43:52.26\00:43:53.94
Commandments book
that showing that put
00:43:53.95\00:43:56.14
together, they write
say about you guys that's
00:43:56.15\00:43:58.44
the Jewish thing, it was given.
00:43:58.45\00:43:59.77
The logic of God
writing Ten Commandments as
00:43:59.78\00:44:03.48
a complete unit and
the one Commandment that
00:44:03.49\00:44:07.36
begins with the
word remember that's the
00:44:07.37\00:44:10.15
longest of the Ten
Commandments in the
00:44:10.16\00:44:11.94
middle of the law
for someone to say what
00:44:11.95\00:44:14.85
word to keep the other
nine but that one that's
00:44:14.86\00:44:16.82
been basically nestled
in the very core of the
00:44:16.83\00:44:19.88
Ten Commandments, it
was just for this one
00:44:19.89\00:44:22.67
race of people. And
what Pastor believes
00:44:22.68\00:44:25.76
that it was only Jews
that needed a day of rest.
00:44:25.77\00:44:27.75
Yeah. So you know
I never have heard a
00:44:28.03\00:44:30.41
Pastor stands before
his congregation and say
00:44:30.42\00:44:32.46
stop coming to
church on Sunday because we
00:44:33.12\00:44:36.15
are not under the
law, we are under grace.
00:44:36.16\00:44:37.56
Their problem was not
with the concept of the
00:44:38.15\00:44:39.71
Sabbath, but their
problem is with the day.
00:44:39.72\00:44:41.33
Okay. Which day it
is? Okay. And so a matter
00:44:41.78\00:44:46.11
of fact some churches
trying to get rid of the
00:44:46.12\00:44:47.70
whole idea of
the Ten Commandments,
00:44:47.71\00:44:49.34
not that they
have a problem with,
00:44:50.00\00:44:51.11
don't worship idols
or don't commit adultery
00:44:51.58\00:44:53.44
or kill, the
problem is with that one
00:44:53.45\00:44:55.38
Commandment
that says what day to
00:44:55.39\00:44:57.10
remember because
they know; you just can't
00:44:57.11\00:44:58.91
defend a Commandment
that says; remember the
00:44:58.92\00:45:01.67
first day to keep it
holy, it doesn't say that.
00:45:01.68\00:45:03.42
That's right. And
it's interesting you said,
00:45:03.43\00:45:05.33
the only
Commandment that starts with
00:45:05.76\00:45:07.59
remember is the one
that, trying to get same,
00:45:07.60\00:45:10.07
is same to be
forgotten by people. Yeah.
00:45:10.08\00:45:11.68
Now think the logic of
that there are at least
00:45:11.79\00:45:14.28
three members
that I often refer to;
00:45:14.29\00:45:15.89
would you say to the
young people that says
00:45:16.47\00:45:18.00
remember the creator
in the days of the youth.
00:45:18.01\00:45:19.85
Would you say to the
young people no don't
00:45:19.86\00:45:21.07
do that, young
people don't need Jesus,
00:45:21.08\00:45:23.22
they don't need
God in their lives.
00:45:23.23\00:45:24.39
Do you believe
that? No. The other one is
00:45:24.54\00:45:26.88
remember Lord's
wife? Do we say well forget
00:45:26.89\00:45:29.49
Lord's wife? She
looked back, doesn't really
00:45:29.50\00:45:30.94
mean anything. But
when it comes to what
00:45:30.95\00:45:33.06
God has said, but the
issue that Satan wants
00:45:33.07\00:45:35.06
us to forget what God
said, that's what when
00:45:35.07\00:45:37.28
he came to Eve, he
says, did God really say that?
00:45:37.29\00:45:40.37
Yeah. So it's an
issue with Satan and God.
00:45:40.72\00:45:42.64
It uses ministries
to break down our desire
00:45:42.65\00:45:45.58
to listen to God.
Here's a question Doug.
00:45:45.59\00:45:48.06
Shall we this one? Yeah, sure.
00:45:49.95\00:45:51.25
I know Pastor Doug
used to be a smoker.
00:45:51.98\00:45:53.96
I want to know how he over cam.
00:45:54.24\00:45:55.97
Well that's
concise. And you smoked a
00:45:58.14\00:45:59.41
number of
things not just tobacco
00:45:59.42\00:46:01.11
I understand. That's
true. Probably couldn't even
00:46:01.12\00:46:04.16
count all the different
things I think I smoked
00:46:04.17\00:46:05.85
everything from
banana peels to mushrooms
00:46:05.86\00:46:07.72
in my day which
explained the failing
00:46:08.81\00:46:11.22
memory too. I've ever seen that.
00:46:11.23\00:46:13.57
I don't think exactly.
It is a struggle and some
00:46:13.58\00:46:16.89
have said that
getting off tobacco can be as
00:46:16.90\00:46:18.71
hard as heroine.
It is a struggle, but
00:46:18.72\00:46:22.22
you can do all
things with Christ.
00:46:22.23\00:46:23.68
What helped me is
really, it's just a
00:46:24.22\00:46:27.89
powerful of God, but
just love for Christ,
00:46:27.90\00:46:30.27
I threw away my
cigarette several times
00:46:31.69\00:46:33.45
and then a few days
later I get them back,
00:46:33.46\00:46:35.34
it was just more a habit
than a physical addiction.
00:46:35.35\00:46:37.82
And one day I was
struggling for months to
00:46:38.94\00:46:42.60
quit smoking I was
convicted God want me
00:46:42.61\00:46:44.48
to quit and I said
Lord if you give me a new
00:46:44.49\00:46:48.59
truck I quit
smoking because I had this
00:46:48.60\00:46:50.39
broken down firewood truck.
00:46:50.40\00:46:52.60
And a little voice
said, Doug you would quit
00:46:53.32\00:46:54.70
smoking for a truck
but you won't quit for me
00:46:54.71\00:46:57.04
and I gave my life for
you. Wow! And I just was
00:46:57.05\00:46:59.97
sort of
overwhelming how selfish I was,
00:46:59.98\00:47:01.96
and I said, you know
Jesus died for me and
00:47:01.97\00:47:04.02
I am thinking Lord
make a deal, I will quit
00:47:04.03\00:47:05.89
smoking if you
give me a truck. Oh.
00:47:05.90\00:47:08.08
And I thought boy what value do
00:47:08.91\00:47:10.61
I place on his
sacrifice. So I went home,
00:47:10.62\00:47:13.86
I threw away my
cigarettes, but there is
00:47:13.87\00:47:15.99
really what I
call 5 minute plan also
00:47:16.00\00:47:18.11
and that's very
simple, a person asked this
00:47:18.77\00:47:20.90
question, do you
believe God wants you
00:47:20.91\00:47:22.19
to quit smoking? Let's
assume the answer is yes.
00:47:22.20\00:47:24.91
Okay. Secondly,
will God help you do what
00:47:24.92\00:47:28.74
He wants you to
do? That's up to you.
00:47:28.75\00:47:30.32
If you believe the
answer is yes, then the
00:47:30.91\00:47:33.14
third thing is throw
away your cigarettes,
00:47:33.15\00:47:35.67
now this is very
important sequence,
00:47:35.68\00:47:36.95
throw away your
cigarettes, your alcohol,
00:47:37.79\00:47:39.40
whatever your addition
is, destroy, get it out of
00:47:39.41\00:47:41.88
your house,
take a step of faith.
00:47:41.89\00:47:43.79
The Bible says,
draw near to God he will
00:47:44.24\00:47:45.88
draw near you, you
take the first step and use
00:47:45.89\00:47:48.83
what the power of God
has given you to make a
00:47:48.84\00:47:50.82
choice, throw it
away and then get on your
00:47:50.83\00:47:53.88
knees and say Lord
I am powerless without
00:47:53.89\00:47:56.09
your help to get
the victory over this.
00:47:56.10\00:47:58.22
You draw near to
God, He will draw near to
00:47:58.88\00:48:00.56
you and He will give
you strength so that you
00:48:00.57\00:48:02.54
will not be tempted above
what you are able to bear.
00:48:02.55\00:48:05.67
That's right.
Wow! That's correct.
00:48:06.55\00:48:08.06
The works we've
seen in Evangelistic
00:48:08.07\00:48:10.14
meetings of thousand times.
00:48:10.15\00:48:11.24
You are living
testimony of yourself,
00:48:11.25\00:48:13.81
that's wonderful.
Jean says a month ago,
00:48:14.47\00:48:17.77
a lady walked into
their church and she says the
00:48:18.18\00:48:20.26
reason see watch
3ABN with Doug Batchelor
00:48:20.28\00:48:22.61
says she really
appreciates all of us and she is
00:48:23.14\00:48:27.52
supporting the ministries
and said the lady that
00:48:27.53\00:48:30.85
walked into church
is getting baptized.
00:48:30.86\00:48:33.34
And here is another
one says, I love John
00:48:33.94\00:48:35.80
Lomacang
singing, I became an SDA
00:48:35.81\00:48:38.39
because of seeing
Doug Batchelor on 3ABN and
00:48:38.40\00:48:40.96
it says, God bless
Doug and Danny too.
00:48:40.97\00:48:43.08
Thank you, Sherri. And
Sherri, that's wonderful.
00:48:43.09\00:48:47.88
Okay. Another
wonderful, I want to thank 3ABN
00:48:48.64\00:48:53.74
for turning my life
around and for actually
00:48:53.75\00:48:55.67
saving my life. God
bless all of you guys.
00:48:55.68\00:48:58.97
Thank you so much Sherri.
00:48:59.29\00:49:00.26
Here is another
one; there was a group
00:49:02.39\00:49:04.13
World's last chance
that's I guess the group's
00:49:04.71\00:49:07.58
title, that's says
that the Sabbath is based
00:49:07.59\00:49:11.05
on the new moon. Have
you ever heard this before?
00:49:11.06\00:49:14.59
Yeah. That's unfortunate.
It's a, you know there is
00:49:16.62\00:49:20.21
always all kinds of
theories that are floating
00:49:20.22\00:49:22.66
around that usually
are distractions and one of
00:49:22.67\00:49:25.58
the theories that
we've encountered is people
00:49:25.59\00:49:28.69
who are saying that
the Sabbath now is not
00:49:28.70\00:49:30.30
governed by the
weekly cycle but it's really
00:49:30.31\00:49:32.13
governed by the moon
which means that lands
00:49:32.14\00:49:34.16
were same as
the Sabbath lands in
00:49:34.17\00:49:35.36
different days of
the week, every month,
00:49:35.37\00:49:37.40
it might be
Wednesday one week and it might
00:49:37.94\00:49:40.19
be Monday
another, based on the moon,
00:49:40.20\00:49:43.71
and I would just
disagree in the strongest
00:49:44.62\00:49:49.84
terms with that
theory. You can look at the
00:49:49.85\00:49:52.88
nation of Israel and go
back its foreign history
00:49:53.43\00:49:56.41
as it's recorded and
the continuity of the weekly
00:49:56.42\00:50:00.10
cycle has been
what he has governed the
00:50:00.11\00:50:02.86
Sabbath, I'm half
Jewish. You can look at the
00:50:02.87\00:50:05.89
history is far back
is written history among
00:50:06.30\00:50:09.30
the Israelites has
written. They did have Lunar
00:50:09.31\00:50:12.29
Sabbaths that were
part of their annual feasts,
00:50:12.30\00:50:15.49
but that's
completely separate from the
00:50:16.56\00:50:17.85
weekly Sabbaths,
that came in a sequence
00:50:17.86\00:50:21.69
of every seven days
and it coincided with the
00:50:21.70\00:50:26.09
days of the week.
And you look in any
00:50:26.10\00:50:27.71
dictionary, look in
any encyclopedia, you look
00:50:27.72\00:50:29.90
up Sunday it will say
first day of the week,
00:50:29.91\00:50:31.75
you look up Saturday it will say
00:50:31.76\00:50:33.05
seventh day of the
week. And so this is a kind of
00:50:33.06\00:50:37.05
pardon me friends I
don't want to be unkind,
00:50:37.06\00:50:38.78
but I want to be straight,
it is a convoluted theory
00:50:38.79\00:50:40.98
that is distracting
and confusing people.
00:50:40.99\00:50:42.86
I can understand
now here for me is the
00:50:43.99\00:50:46.09
Kudegra, Slam
Dunk in that argument.
00:50:46.68\00:50:49.21
You might convince
me that one or two Jews,
00:50:49.63\00:50:51.81
got locked up somewhere with no
00:50:52.15\00:50:53.54
sunlight and they
lost track of time.
00:50:53.55\00:50:55.99
But the idea that
the Jewish nation all
00:50:56.75\00:50:59.01
simultaneously got
mixed up about how to
00:50:59.02\00:51:01.11
keep their Sabbath
and yet Jews around the
00:51:01.12\00:51:03.88
world still know
it's Saturday the seventh
00:51:03.89\00:51:06.31
day and the, And
not only that the
00:51:06.32\00:51:08.05
Catholic Church
from the first century
00:51:08.06\00:51:10.20
as always said
Sunday was Sunday and that's
00:51:11.52\00:51:13.69
one thing they agree
on. They agree that Sunday
00:51:13.70\00:51:15.79
is Sunday with the
Jews and Jews agree that
00:51:15.80\00:51:17.98
Sunday is Sunday and
Saturday is Saturday so.
00:51:17.99\00:51:20.66
Muslims agree that
Friday is Friday. Yes.
00:51:20.67\00:51:21.90
So you would have
the Muslims, the Jews and
00:51:21.91\00:51:24.61
the Catholics all agreeing that
00:51:24.62\00:51:26.83
these are still the days.
00:51:26.84\00:51:28.09
So I doubt all of
these people would,
00:51:28.10\00:51:30.73
you know would be
wrong in this, mistaken.
00:51:31.71\00:51:32.89
Only this, this is to, go
ahead, this is to tap that
00:51:33.14\00:51:36.04
off, I mean to cap
that of, if you tell people
00:51:36.05\00:51:38.93
come and pick up
your check on the seventh
00:51:39.48\00:51:41.42
day of the week, they
will know what day it is.
00:51:41.43\00:51:43.16
But here is how you
separated to do from
00:51:44.29\00:51:46.59
new moon to Sabbath
and the Bible shows it's
00:51:46.60\00:51:48.34
not the same.
Isaiah 66 verse 22 and 23,
00:51:48.35\00:51:52.17
23, it shall come to
pass that from one new
00:51:52.18\00:51:55.61
moon to another,
and then, and from one
00:51:55.62\00:51:59.58
Sabbath to
another, they're distinct.
00:51:59.59\00:52:01.25
It's totally separate,
shall all flesh come to
00:52:01.61\00:52:05.02
worship before
me, from one new moon,
00:52:05.03\00:52:06.72
every month.
One is week to week,
00:52:06.73\00:52:08.27
one is month to
month. Exactly! Okay.
00:52:08.28\00:52:10.10
Quickly we only have
four minutes to do this
00:52:10.57\00:52:12.98
but they want to know
there is a lady calling
00:52:13.48\00:52:15.65
she is a Christian not
at this phase she says,
00:52:15.66\00:52:19.25
she didn't
understand why you and others on
00:52:19.57\00:52:22.42
3ABN don't believe
in the secret rapture?
00:52:22.43\00:52:25.30
So I know that's a
long but we've got to make
00:52:25.61\00:52:28.43
this really quick.
In fact I need to put
00:52:28.44\00:52:30.61
up an address
roll. Let me put that at
00:52:30.62\00:52:32.70
first because I wanna
to make sure people know
00:52:32.71\00:52:34.12
how to contact you.
Then we will get back
00:52:34.13\00:52:36.03
and you got about a
minute or two to answer that.
00:52:36.04\00:52:37.95
Let's go to the
address roll, right now.
00:52:37.96\00:52:39.46
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that's www. amazingfacts.org.
00:53:20.80\00:53:23.43
Okay Doug, two
minutes or less why
00:53:26.51\00:53:28.46
don't you believe in
a Secret Rapture that
00:53:28.47\00:53:30.51
much of the
Christian world believes in?
00:53:30.52\00:53:32.28
Second Peter chapter 3,
it tells us that the day
00:53:32.74\00:53:35.44
of the Lord will come
as thief in the night,
00:53:35.45\00:53:37.04
people stop there and
you see it's the secret
00:53:37.28\00:53:38.87
like a thief. Keep
reading that verse,
00:53:38.88\00:53:41.06
the day the Lord will
come as a thief in the
00:53:41.47\00:53:42.91
night in which
the heavens pass away
00:53:42.92\00:53:44.68
with the great noise,
the elements melt with
00:53:44.69\00:53:47.04
fervent heat, the earth
and the things in it are
00:53:47.05\00:53:49.14
burned up, seeing
that all these things will
00:53:49.15\00:53:51.60
dissolve, how could
all of that be happening
00:53:51.61\00:53:54.14
and it be a
secret. Now that website we
00:53:54.15\00:53:56.96
just gave, I've
got a book called
00:53:56.97\00:53:58.75
"Anything but
Secret". Oh, okay. The whole
00:53:58.76\00:54:01.84
Bible study on the
visible nature of Jesus
00:54:01.85\00:54:06.25
coming, okay, so every
eye shall see him is that
00:54:06.26\00:54:09.32
what it says?
It's amazing we can
00:54:09.33\00:54:11.74
difference like
that. Lightening from the
00:54:11.75\00:54:12.72
east to the west I
mean just pounds and pounds
00:54:12.73\00:54:15.05
of scripture that make
it everyone know that it's
00:54:15.06\00:54:18.68
very obvious.
Okay. The last thing
00:54:18.69\00:54:21.29
we have time
form, I am sorry no more
00:54:21.30\00:54:22.79
questions we talked
earlier about a series,
00:54:22.80\00:54:26.66
maybe this fall, tell us about
00:54:26.67\00:54:28.59
that one more time.
I don't know anybody
00:54:28.60\00:54:31.37
that doesn't know
somebody that used to
00:54:31.68\00:54:34.10
go to church
that doesn't anymore.
00:54:34.11\00:54:36.32
And we want to
reach these people and we
00:54:37.33\00:54:39.51
don't like you say you
have all the answers but
00:54:39.52\00:54:41.45
we want to do something.
00:54:41.46\00:54:42.73
We wanted to do
a program and put
00:54:42.74\00:54:44.22
something with in
your reach that can be
00:54:44.23\00:54:46.13
broadcasted and
handed to people that you can
00:54:46.14\00:54:48.71
recommend or email
people to reclaim this;
00:54:48.72\00:54:52.36
it's an ocean
of missing members.
00:54:53.38\00:54:56.04
There are more
people right now that are
00:54:56.05\00:54:57.47
inactive Christian
and Adventists than they
00:54:57.48\00:55:00.03
aren't active. We've
got to reach those people.
00:55:00.04\00:55:02.06
I Love it. John your comments!
00:55:03.25\00:55:04.49
Well, you know
it's amazing about this.
00:55:05.17\00:55:06.14
I always think about
the Faith's secret, why
00:55:06.15\00:55:08.40
would the Lord want
to sneak up on you when
00:55:08.41\00:55:09.67
it's the greatest
event in the world's history?
00:55:09.68\00:55:11.36
That's my answer to
it. He is not gonna say hey
00:55:12.60\00:55:14.33
let's go, let's go,
He is coming back to save
00:55:14.67\00:55:16.83
us from ourselves and
praise the Lord for that
00:55:16.84\00:55:18.54
is not gonna be
secret. My Lord shall come
00:55:18.55\00:55:21.41
and shall not keep
silent and friends when the
00:55:21.42\00:55:23.30
Lord comes we are
committed to being
00:55:23.31\00:55:25.43
ready for that and
that's what this program is all
00:55:25.44\00:55:27.11
about, that's what
this network getting people
00:55:27.12\00:55:29.54
ready for the greatest event.
00:55:29.55\00:55:30.81
The World Series is
not a secret; the NFL's
00:55:31.26\00:55:33.63
Super Bowl is not a
secret, why would Jesus
00:55:33.64\00:55:35.72
come back in a
secret? Okay. Good.
00:55:35.73\00:55:38.73
Now Doug on this you
will keep this updated
00:55:39.10\00:55:41.15
in our audience and
how we can participate
00:55:42.21\00:55:44.47
and what we can do
to reach out to those
00:55:44.48\00:55:47.02
locally to make
sure there where they can
00:55:47.03\00:55:49.30
watch the
television or the computer or
00:55:49.31\00:55:51.24
listening to the
radio or what have you so we
00:55:51.25\00:55:53.83
can get these people
involved, and then also
00:55:53.84\00:55:56.48
the revival and reformation.
00:55:56.93\00:55:58.63
We all need to be
taken that very seriously.
00:55:58.94\00:56:01.02
We are thankful for a
new general conference
00:56:01.33\00:56:03.39
president, and some
new anymore but since
00:56:03.40\00:56:05.66
this past year 2010 in
the summer, but putting
00:56:05.67\00:56:09.87
so great emphasis on
revival and reformation
00:56:09.88\00:56:12.86
and I am trying to
take that to my own personal
00:56:13.40\00:56:15.42
life before I take it
to ohers and say you need
00:56:15.43\00:56:18.44
this in your
life. I understand that
00:56:18.45\00:56:19.89
I need it and so
each of us really need to
00:56:19.90\00:56:22.55
concentrate on
rededicate and resubmitting,
00:56:23.18\00:56:25.63
recommitting our life
to the Lord Jesus Christ
00:56:25.64\00:56:28.06
before we can go and
tell what He has done
00:56:28.53\00:56:30.08
for us. Ellen White says
our greatest asset is our
00:56:30.09\00:56:32.94
own personal testimony
of what God has done for us.
00:56:32.95\00:56:36.32
And now all we have
to do is go and share of
00:56:36.59\00:56:39.42
what Jesus, the
difference He made
00:56:39.43\00:56:40.98
in our life,
that's what the world
00:56:40.99\00:56:42.02
is looking for
today. They are looking for
00:56:42.03\00:56:43.74
something
different, they are looking for
00:56:43.75\00:56:45.54
way out when there
is seemingly no way out,
00:56:45.55\00:56:48.58
even those that are
not Christians, believe the
00:56:48.59\00:56:50.50
world is not gonna last
very long. That's right.
00:56:50.51\00:56:52.05
They are right on
that part. But we know why
00:56:52.06\00:56:54.41
Jesus is coming back very soon.
00:56:54.42\00:56:56.55
Hey our time is all
gone for this evening.
00:56:56.89\00:56:58.70
Until we see you
next time, may the Lord
00:56:59.48\00:57:01.25
richly bless you abundantly more
00:57:01.26\00:57:02.77
than you could
ever ask or think.
00:57:02.78\00:57:04.73