Participants: C.A. Murray (Host), Hans Diehl (Host), Nancy Gable, Wendy Gable
Series Code: TLB
Program Code: TLB011504
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00:10 We are back and Mary from just outside
00:14 of Little Rock. I hope that you got 00:16 everything down that you had your pen 00:18 and your pencil ready and writing, 00:20 because we had a very exciting first 00:23 hour of dealing with Nancy's story. Nancy, 00:25 thank you so very much, well done. 00:26 Thank you. And CHIP has made a profound 00:30 impact on your life, yes, and you're 00:32 sharing that with others. We did say 00:35 at the close of the last hour that we would 00:37 run a little video, sort of highlighting 00:39 Nancy's story good doctor and I 00:41 think we'll take care, take that just now. 00:55 Where does she get all that energy? 01:02 Nancy, you're looking great. Hi, I'm Nancy. 01:07 I'd like to tell you my story. When I was 01:10 growing up I was thin and full of energy, 01:13 but after I got married I gained 30 pounds 01:16 in just 2 years and when I started having 01:18 children I gained 10 pounds with each 01:21 additional child and before I knew it, 01:23 I found myself 80 pounds overweight 01:26 and for years I felt sluggish and out of 01:28 energy and just didn't feel good, 01:32 and I knew I needed to get, 01:33 lose the weight and I tried some different 01:35 things, but nothing seemed to work 01:37 and stick with me. I found CHIP in my 01:39 community. CHIP is the Coronary Health 01:43 Improvement Project. I loved the lifestyle 01:45 that it gave me. I can eat of a large 01:48 variety of foods that I really enjoy, 01:51 fruits, vegetables, beans, whole grains, 01:55 delicious foods of all kinds. 01:57 I exercise regularly. My weight stared 02:00 melting off and within a short time I have 02:02 found myself, I had lost 80 pounds. 02:05 My husband Ed, he was way overweight. 02:09 He had Type two diabetes, 02:11 high cholesterol and high blood pressure 02:13 and had been on medications for all 02:16 three of those for six years. My husband 02:18 is exercising a lot more now and his brother 02:20 can't hardly keep up with him anymore. 02:23 Hey, Ed, wait for me. That used to be me. 02:28 I used to be all out of energy, 02:29 but now I have lot of energy. 02:32 Hi, it's great to have you back again 02:34 for the summer. It's good to see you 02:36 too I mean you look great. How do you do it? 02:38 It's CHIP. Its really helped us to get our 02:41 health back. I've lost a lot of weight and I 02:43 have tons of energy and you know 02:45 I've lost so much weight that I can fit 02:47 back into my wedding dress again after 02:49 33 years. Your dad has lost weight. 02:52 He's turned his diabetes around and he's 02:54 off his medications for diabetes, 02:57 blood pressure and cholesterol. 02:58 He's feeling great too. Wow! 03:00 It's sounds like the extreme makeover 03:03 that you were always looking for. 03:04 Well, CHIP has really helped us to take 03:06 control of our lives 03:08 and now we have the best life. 03:15 Alright, well done. Good doctor, 03:16 I want to ask you a question before 03:18 we go to Wendy's story. Couple of things, 03:20 at no time tonight, have we used the 03:22 word diet. Why not and what is the 03:26 difference between diet and lifestyle 03:27 from your prospective as a health educator? 03:31 When you go on a diet, you ultimately 03:34 have to go off and that ultimately 03:37 is usually 1, 2, 3, 4 weeks, you go on, 03:40 you go off, you go on, you go off, 03:42 very hard on the body and usually 03:44 at the end of one year 95 percent 03:47 of the people who were on a diet to lose 03:50 weight have gained it back and have extra 03:52 pounds to boot. We don't talk about diet. 03:55 We're talking about a lifestyle change, 03:58 something you can live with for the rest 04:00 of your life you know comfortably, 04:03 so you don't have to do these ups 04:05 and downs, yeah, but rather you make 04:08 the changes gradually or once and for all 04:11 and you zero in. Now with Nancy, 04:14 she made this change, but then she 04:16 cannot plateau it, she got maybe a little 04:18 bit discouraged to follow why, 04:19 but then she got really tightened up 04:21 a little bit more and you were right there. 04:23 Your husband again, he responded as he 04:27 related to the dietary lifestyle program 04:30 and the exercise appropriately, 04:32 so they're directly related. You basically 04:36 get what you work for. Yeah, yeah, 04:40 well done. Nancy, I just want to 04:42 re-emphasize at no time during this 04:45 lifestyle change, did you feel yourself 04:48 deprived or going through some severe 04:51 traumatic kind of thing, it was just 04:53 sort of a natural progression once you 04:55 began to change, what you put in 04:57 your body? What was happening to 04:58 your body? That's correct, I never 05:00 felt deprived, in fact, I felt like I was 05:03 eating better than I ever had in my life. 05:05 The foods were delicious, colorful, 05:09 I enjoyed what I was eating, I enjoyed 05:11 fixing what I was eating, I wished 05:14 I had more time to work in the kitchen, 05:16 so I could try more recipes. I just 05:18 loved cooking and I still do now, 05:21 I love cooking and she look at. 05:23 I love that because, it's a big change 05:25 for you. Because Wendy happen to tell us, 05:29 tell us that during the growing of 05:31 years the kitchen was not exactly your, 05:33 need more expertise. That's right. 05:38 During that time and we're gonna get 05:39 to you sure, but good doctor I want to 05:41 just, yeah, bring back this magazine 05:44 which is our special free offer for the 05:47 evening before we go to your wife's music, 05:50 but the Clinton Health Crisis, 05:51 walk us through what this magazine is all 05:54 about and what the people will receive 05:55 when they get this? Yeah. This magazine 05:57 helps people to understand that not 06:00 only diabetes and hypertension and 06:02 cholesterol are reversible like you 06:05 talked about with your husband, 06:06 but you can actually reverse coronary 06:09 artery disease, the number one killer 06:12 in our society and that's what the 06:14 president is now doing as he has adopted 06:18 himself to a whole foods dietary program. 06:22 Fewer of these refined calories, 06:25 the animal calories, but more of the 06:28 whole grains, fresh fruits, vegetables 06:31 and legumes, and that's exactly 06:32 what you did, isn't it? Exactly. 06:33 So you're on the same program. Yes. 06:35 I mean you should be in touch with the 06:36 President here. You know, several 06:40 years ago we went to a dinner at 06:41 the Washington Press Club. 06:43 I could not believe, you know, 06:45 you got Filet mignon, and you got cream 06:48 potatoes, and you got cream spinach 06:50 and creamed asparagus and you know 06:52 all of these things that people think 06:53 we are really eating good and actually 06:56 they're digging, digging their grave 06:57 with that, with that stuff. You know 06:58 the good life that we're all after. Yes. 07:01 It's not really that good. No. 07:03 but really one is the best life, 07:05 'cause that was you found right. 07:07 It's a simpler life and it's a life that is 07:10 related to simpler foods, has to do 07:14 with building relationships both 07:16 on this level and you know, she talked 07:18 about this kind of a level too right. 07:21 Yeah, yeah, yeah. She found a deeper 07:23 meaning in life, yes, she found a deep 07:25 relationship with God. Isn't that what 07:26 happened? Yeah. That's correct. Yeah. 07:28 And that provides the ultimate really, 07:30 resource of energy, yes, to do what 07:34 you think you should do anyway, yeah, 07:36 it makes you kind of victorious and 07:38 following what you think is the right 07:40 thing to do. Yeah, and God has given 07:42 you with this a ministry, because 07:43 CHIP really is a ministry. Yes, 07:44 it is. Yeah, it is a ministry. Wendy you 07:49 actually do get to talk if ever gonna shine 07:50 the spotlight on you, I think we'll give a 07:52 chance just to breath a little bit as we 07:55 call upon your good wife again to play 07:57 for us, and sister Lily Diehl is going to be 08:01 playing I believe it' "Joyful, Joyful 08:03 We Adore Thee" and we'll ask 08:06 her to do that at this very time. 12:46 Amen, well done. I was saying 12:49 to the good doctor that his wife's playing 12:52 style, she has to have very strong hands 12:56 for that to adopt that style and he 12:57 said that she's got, she's got a good 12:59 strong muscle here so he has to behave 13:00 himself or she can give him a good 13:02 karate chop and just end the whole. 13:06 And end the whole deal, so he's got to 13:07 behave himself, but well done, please 13:10 give our regards to your lovely wife. 13:14 Thank you. For doing that music for us. 13:17 You have to eat right to have that 13:18 strength. Yes. Those are vegetarian 13:20 hands I guess. They are, yeah, 13:22 they are. Praise the Lord. We've been 13:26 talking about the CHIP, Coronary 13:28 Health Improvement Project, this very 13:30 night and we dealt with the mother story, 13:33 but as we intimated at the close of the 13:35 first half when you've got something 13:37 good, of course, your natural desire 13:38 is to share and Nancy was no exception 13:41 as she wanted to share with her daughter 13:46 Wendy and I need to ask you, 13:48 when Nancy began this changes you're 13:50 already out of the house. Yeah, 13:52 I moved out when I was 15 and I have 13:54 been living away from home for several 13:56 years at the point, so our lifestyles 13:59 were very separate and she kind of did 14:01 her thing and I did my thing and we just 14:04 let each other do their thing and that was, 14:07 that was, how it was. Were you 14:10 kind of aware that she had begun going 14:12 to church and was beginning to investigate 14:14 something, were you getting information 14:16 on that? A little bit, at that point 14:19 I was away at college and I was 14:20 of state and so I really wasn't home 14:23 very often and I, I knew that she had been 14:26 exploring a little bit. They, my whole 14:29 childhood, my parents had been looking 14:31 for the one true church or for the biblical 14:36 teachings the church that taught them 14:38 and they kind of hopped around places, 14:40 but never found what they were looking 14:44 for and so I kind of felt they were 14:48 just hopping around again, they wasn't 14:51 anything to it. It was just checking 14:53 things out, checking out the churches and 14:55 so I knew they were kind of getting 14:58 involved with the church and starting 15:00 to learn about things, but that was really the, 15:03 I didn't think it was anything 15:04 significant or serious.. Did you have 15:06 a name, did you, had you heard the name 15:08 Seventh-day Adventist or anything? 15:09 You know I don't think I had, 15:11 maybe in passing once or twice, 15:12 but it was very none, there wasn't much 15:17 said about it. It was just, 15:19 we're kind of going, we went to a seminar 15:21 and it was about prophecy and of course 15:23 that was something they're always very 15:24 interested in, it was learning about 15:25 prophecy and you know at this point, 15:27 I kind of stopped being interested in that. 15:30 When I was young and I saw them looking at, 15:32 kind of appealed to me a little, 15:34 what are they looking for, but they kept 15:36 looking and looking and looking and never 15:37 finding anything and so I just sort of 15:40 felt well, they're just looking and they're 15:43 never gonna find anything. Right. 15:44 And so I was focused on my college 15:48 education and my career path 15:50 and, and what were you studying in school? 15:52 I was actually a technical theater major, 15:54 an undergraduate and then I did my 15:56 Masters in arts management and 15:59 I was very, my high schools was actually 16:01 very science focused, math and science 16:03 focused, and then I went all arts in 16:05 college and kind of business oriented 16:09 as well. And that was, I had a, 16:11 I was in a conservatory program, 16:13 I was at Carnegie Mellon University 16:14 and it was very focused and very intense 16:19 program and students who graduate 16:23 from there go on to good career 16:25 and so to me that was path that had a clear 16:28 direction, a clear, a clear place to go 16:32 in life, and so that was my focus and 16:35 I thought she is kind of, my parents 16:37 kind of just running, hopping around 16:40 looking the things and I'm on a path 16:43 and I'm, it's gonna work for me, yeah, 16:46 and so now, you know that was how 16:48 I was just going. How then did 16:52 it intersect for you, 'cause we know 16:54 your mother is feeding you with bits 16:55 and pieces of information which you're 16:57 pretty much putting on a shelf. 16:58 Where did the intersection come? Well, 17:01 when I was just beginning in college 17:04 and toward the end of high school 17:05 and early college I had found out that I 17:07 was struggling with some different food 17:09 intolerances and I0 had some different 17:12 health issues and it was just I was 17:14 realizing at that point that I was probably 17:17 very intolerant and that what, 17:18 that was the first thing that turned 17:20 out to be, and because of that I had 17:23 to learn a whole new way of eating. 17:25 I had to do a lot of research on different 17:28 foods that were out there and health and 17:32 what's going wrong with me that I can't 17:34 eat like everybody else and all these 17:36 campaigns, milk does the body good 17:39 and I was struggling with that 'cause 17:41 it wasn't doing my body good, 17:43 and but I was being brain washed with 17:46 this over and over and over again that 17:48 it was suppose to be good for me, 17:49 but every time I had it, I was in pain 17:52 and suffering and struggling. 17:53 You have to had pain from. I did, I did, 17:55 I had severe digestive issues and 17:57 it was very painful and I realized I had 18:00 to make a change and after about 2 years 18:03 of trying it in and out of my diet 18:05 I finally convinced myself yes, its that 18:07 and I got it out of my diet. Alright, 18:09 let me just stop you there one second 18:10 and ask you good doctor, is this Lactose 18:13 intolerance, is that a common thing in 18:15 United States or it's gonna a rare thing? 18:17 Well, it's fairly common occurrence worldwide. 18:22 In this country here you have more then 18:25 most people realize and particularly in the 18:27 Afro-American Community it could be 18:29 very prevalent, 30, 40 percent. So it's not a 18:34 minimal issue. Okay. And actually for me 18:39 it was the protein, the milk protein that was 18:41 causing the problems which was in everything 18:43 and then they put casein and whey 18:45 in butter, in taco seasonings of all places, 18:50 I mean it was everything that I had 18:52 to start reading ingredients on 18:53 and learning how to eat in a new way 18:56 and so I started studying this and 18:59 researching a lot and I came across vegan 19:02 foods and kosher foods, because 19:05 you know kosher powder foods these didn't 19:08 have dairy, so they were great for me 19:11 and I kind of called them joking loud 19:13 said, I'm a vegan who eats meat, 19:14 because you know I thought I still had 19:16 to eat meat, so I would take vegan food 19:17 and I throw meat into them. And, 19:20 but I started cleaning up my diet 19:22 and making healthy changes, but despite 19:26 those healthy changes I was still putting 19:28 on weight. By age 20, I was the size 14 19:31 and I was heading down the same path 19:33 as my parents and for reference I'm a 19:36 size four now, so it was, I never, 19:39 I didn't think it was possible to be that 19:42 size but, to be the 14 or the 4? The 4, 19:46 it wasn't even on our radar growing up, yeah, 19:50 you know I so, I had started making 19:53 these changes and then one summer 19:57 I was back in my home town area, 19:59 there was a theater there I was working 20:01 at and I didn't live at home, 20:02 I lived at the theater, but I came home 20:05 few times to visit. And towards the end 20:09 of that summer I came home for the weekend, 20:13 last weekend I was there and I wanted to 20:18 repaint my parent's house for that, 20:21 repaint one of the rooms. Nice gesture. 20:23 Yeah, it had, it was getting old and 20:26 tarnished and needed to clean up and 20:29 my parents, I knew at this point they were 20:31 going to the church regularly and they had 20:34 been talking about it, more about this 20:37 church and what it taught. You know I was 20:40 okay with them going, but it was their 20:42 thing and it wasn't my thing, it was 20:45 their thing and I said whatever they wanna 20:47 believe, whatever they wanna do, 20:49 that's okay, that's their choice and I 20:53 respect that. But towards the end of the 20:57 summer you know there was more interaction 21:00 around this and my mum had talked 21:03 about the Sabbath and I knew that 21:05 she talked about keeping the Sabbath 21:09 holy and that kind of thing and I knew 21:11 a little bit about that you know she didn't go 21:12 out to work, she didn't do certain things, 21:15 but I didn't really know what that meant 21:18 in detail and she actually, when I went 21:24 to paint, I wanted to paint the house 21:26 and I had my plan all worked out. 21:28 It was the last week I was home. 21:30 I had full schedule I was going to, 21:34 on Friday morning I was going to go, 21:35 buy the materials, I come home and 21:38 I'd move everything away Friday afternoon 21:40 and evening and then I paint all day 21:43 Saturday and then put everything back 21:45 Saturday night, and then do myself Sunday 21:48 and pack and leave on Monday. And when 21:51 I stared to tell her this plan she stopped me 21:56 and she kind of got this look on her face 21:59 that was very sad, and maybe a little 22:03 hurt and she said, she said, well, can we 22:11 do it after the Sabbath and I said, why, 22:19 why does it matter? Well, it's, I just, 22:22 it's the Sabbath, and I don't think 22:24 you should work on the Sabbath 22:27 and I wanted to respect her beliefs, 22:32 but at the same time I didn't want her 22:35 controlling me and that's what I thought 22:37 it was and when I said, you know, this, 22:40 it's fine I don't mind, I don't mind 22:43 doing this. It's not work to me, 22:44 I want to do it. Then she kind of told me 22:48 some of the scripture and you know, 22:50 you're not, the Bible says you know you're 22:52 not suppose to work on the Sabbath 22:55 and I thought she was kind of guilt 22:56 tripping me. I actually, I really felt like 23:03 she was trying to control me and control 23:06 what I was doing and it hurt me and 23:10 that combined with some other things that 23:13 had come up that weekend just really 23:19 hurt me very deeply and I actually 23:20 stopped talking to her for almost a year, 23:23 for about 9 months and. So you're very 23:27 passionate about this. It was something 23:29 that really. Yeah, you know it was, 23:33 I had grown up in a, you know, 23:36 she mentioned in the first half they didn't 23:38 go to the church, but they both had 23:40 a strong belief in the Bible and 23:42 we've grown up in a community that was 23:45 fairly Christian and you know a lot of 23:47 people went to church, but there was 23:49 a lot of fire and brimstone in churches 23:51 and when I would see Pastors on TV, 23:53 there was a lot of, it was a lot of fire 23:56 and brimstone and that didn't align 23:59 with the God I knew and I always believed 24:03 in a higher power and I always felt that 24:05 relationship, but when I saw certain churches 24:10 were teaching and how certain people 24:11 were acting who called themselves 24:13 Christians, I didn't feel like that was 24:19 what this higher power was telling me. 24:21 And so then I kind of rebelled against 24:26 the lot of that. I didn't, I knew that 24:28 wasn't the right way and I didn't want 24:30 anything to do with that and so 24:33 when she started trying to control my life 24:37 or what it felt in me like she was trying 24:38 to control my life. I got very hurt 24:43 by that, very standoffish, and I 24:47 didn't want anything to do with it 24:49 and I said, you can believe what you 24:51 want to believe and if you feel that 24:54 this is what you need to do, you go ahead 24:58 and do that, but don't expect me to join 25:01 you on that. Don't, you know, 25:03 that's not what I believe. My whole 25:06 career at that point was depended upon 25:08 working Friday night and Saturday. 25:09 I was in theater and that's when 25:11 performances are. And I did believe that, 25:15 that was where God had called me go 25:16 to school and so it didn't, it didn't 25:19 align for me, but as we, you know, 25:25 we went our separated ways, 25:26 we didn't end on a very good note 25:28 that weekend. Did you finish that room, 25:31 did you paint that? I did, I did, 25:32 I painted, I did, I did paint it. 25:35 I did all myself because she didn't, 25:38 she wasn't gonna help and I said, 25:41 well, that's fine, I'm just gonna do it, 25:43 I'm not gonna make her work, 25:44 yeah, alright, because that would violate 25:47 her beliefs but it wasn't my belief. 25:50 So I felt entitled to work. So the whole, 25:53 thy son nor thy daughter nor the 25:54 cattle that. I didn't know about that part. 25:59 It wasn't until about a year or two later 26:01 that I read that part and realized oh, 26:03 that was why she was concerned. 26:07 Well, let me hold just a second, Nancy, 26:08 how did you feel? She obviously rejected 26:10 what you were trying to share? 26:12 You were sharing it from your heart. 26:13 She is painting your house on the Sabbath 26:15 what was going on in my mind and head? Well, 26:16 I was very grateful that she wanted 26:18 to do this for us. I thought it was a 26:21 wonderful idea and I knew she was doing 26:23 this out of the goodness of her heart 26:25 and the love for us and it just bothered 26:29 me that she wanted to do it on the Lord's 26:33 Sabbath day, the day of rest, and I felt 26:37 that she could just adjust the time, 26:39 so that she could do it on Saturday night 26:41 and Sunday, do other things you know on 26:45 the Sabbath and I tried to make it clear 26:49 that I wasn't trying to control her life 26:53 or tell her you have to do things this way 26:56 and I guess I didn't come across very 26:58 well on that, because that's not the way 27:00 she took it, but that was the intent was 27:06 that, I didn't want people work, since 27:11 I didn't work on the Sabbath, 27:13 I didn't want others working for me 27:16 or doing work for me on the Sabbath either, 27:19 because the command says, you know, 27:21 neither thy son, nor thy daughter, 27:23 maid-servant, the man-servant within 27:26 your gates you know, yeah, and I had 27:30 mentioned that to her and I think that 27:32 just kind of, she took it even harder that 27:34 it was, I was laying a guilt-trip on her. 27:37 That's exactly what I thought. 27:39 Well, you were painting now as of with 27:41 a clenched fist. Yeah, yes, exactly 27:43 oh, I was, I very much was. I didn't tell her 27:48 she couldn't do it, but I just left it, 27:51 left it go at that point. Yeah, yeah, 27:53 did you guys going to church and 27:55 sort of just live there or you around 27:56 the house or? I don't remember. 27:58 You know I think they actually were 28:00 Friday night they went to bed and that's 28:02 what I started moving the first, because 28:04 I didn't want to make them mad so I just 28:07 did while they were sleeping, and then put 28:12 everything back the next day and I just 28:14 did it on my own and. But it's so interesting 28:16 isn't it? You have feel your love, 28:19 you have the love of a daughter who wants 28:21 to do something nice for the parents. 28:22 The parents have a different belief system 28:24 than she has and all of a sudden you have 28:26 two things in collision and both 28:28 parties are well intentions, 28:29 isn't that right? Yes, yes, yes. 28:31 This is what happens sometimes, isn't it? 28:33 How did you resolve this whole things? 28:35 Well, about 9 months later in the following 28:38 spring, my brother had returned a car 28:41 back to my parents house, so now there's 28:43 an extra car and I could get it and 28:44 take it back to school. So this is a year 28:46 of silence now you have, pretty much yeah, 28:48 we talked a few times, but it was just 28:50 business. It was, you got this mail, okay, 28:53 send it to me or file it and I, there was 28:57 no emotion, no heart to heart, 29:00 it was just business or and it was very 29:03 tense at least for me all the time, 29:06 because I was upset, I was angry, 29:08 I felt like she was trying to control me 29:13 and I was in college now and I've been 29:16 living on my own for a long time and 29:17 I didn't want my parents controlling me 29:20 anymore. You're paddling own canoe. 29:21 Exactly, and I was, you know, 29:24 I was determined to make a life for myself 29:29 and have a good life and I didn't want 29:34 anything interfering with that and so, 29:36 I you know, I sort of made up my mind about 29:39 certain things I believed and didn't 29:41 believe and that was not something that 29:44 I had believed at that time and so. 29:46 How did you feel Nancy during that time, 29:48 It must have been hard to be without a 29:51 daughter that you care deeply about right? 29:52 It was difficult because we had 29:55 communicated in the previous years of her 29:57 education and I wanted to make a point 30:01 too that she mentioned she moved out at 15, 30:03 well, she didn't move out because she 30:05 didn't like home, she moved out to 30:08 go to a residential school where she 30:10 could get the education she wanted, 30:13 and so it was a mutual thing for 30:15 her to move out. So you're very focused 30:16 educationally from fairly young you 30:18 had an idea what you're gonna do 30:20 and where you're gonna go, 30:21 and then it turned out that she got summer 30:22 jobs at that same school, so it kept her 30:24 there even in the summer time. 30:26 So she became very independent 30:28 at age 15, yeah, and this showed, 30:31 as a college student now I mean 30:34 we had communicated well and we're 30:35 doing fine relationship wise 30:37 until this occurred. And I just felt that 30:41 at that point, I need to just let 30:44 her go, don't try to make up, 30:49 in case of make up you know 30:51 at this point I just felt like let her 30:53 do what she needs to do, 30:54 what she wants to do and I kind 30:57 of felt a spiritual sense of you 31:01 might say God telling me, let her go, 31:04 don't worry about it. And so that's 31:06 what I did, and so she said, she, 31:09 we felt tense when we communicated. 31:11 I didn't feel that she did, 31:14 but I just felt but it was a surface 31:20 communication you know just things 31:22 were on the surface, but I didn't delve 31:25 into her life or her privacy or anything 31:28 like that and just let her go. 31:30 Yeah, I can see that as Dr. Hans said, 31:32 kind of paddling your own canoe since 15 31:35 on your own, I'm in college now and 31:36 this woman was gonna try to control 31:38 my life, no way. And of course you maybe 31:40 feeling a little guilty. Alright. I was, 31:43 I was, I definitely was and you know it 31:47 was an odd kind of guilt too, 31:48 because I felt like I did everything right. 31:52 I was respectful of her beliefs. 31:55 I just didn't believe it by myself, yeah, 31:57 and so I really felt like I was 32:01 doing everything that I needed to do, 32:04 but I was still violating the laws 32:08 of the land, you know I was still violating 32:10 the way God created His system to 32:15 to work and so He put that, that, I think 32:19 he put that in my heart and gave me 32:21 that sense of, you know there is something 32:24 I want you to learn here Wendy, 32:25 that was sort of the feeling 32:28 and I didn't, I didn't want to relinquish 32:30 that for a long time. But going back 32:34 to what you have mentioned about 32:36 coming home, how do we come back 32:39 together? I had to go home to get 32:41 this car. Yes. I needed, I wanted 32:44 this car. It wasn't a very good car, 32:46 but it was a car and I wanted it 32:49 at school and so I had to come 32:51 home and get it, but I had to do it 32:53 in one weekend get back for class. 32:54 They lived very remotely and at 32:57 this point, there was many foods that I 32:58 was not eating, because of my food 33:01 intolerances, and I had to have her 33:03 pick up some food for me, 33:06 but I wanted her to get vegan butter 33:10 and soy milk, because I was dairy free 33:12 and knowing she came from a dairy 33:14 farm and they basically lived out on 33:16 a beef farm, I thought she is going 33:18 think I am crazy when I ask for this, 33:20 and I, but I was still so hurt. 33:23 I went through everything I could 33:26 come up with, every way I could 33:28 think of that I could go, get this stuff 33:30 myself instead of having to ask her 33:32 for it, but there was just no option 33:34 and I had do it, so I sent her 33:35 an email and I hesitantly write 33:39 you know, I know I'm not gonna be 33:40 home for long. Can you, can you pick up 33:42 these things, so I can eat while 33:43 I'm there. And I am expecting her to right 33:46 back and be like, are you crazy you know 33:49 what, but you want vegan butter 33:50 and soy milk for because you know, 33:52 being a vegetarian and where we lived 33:55 was crazy, it was I mean you were weird 33:59 if you were a vegetarian, so 34:00 vegan butter and soy milk that 34:03 would have been over the top. 34:05 And I, so I very hesitantly emailed 34:08 her and I'm expecting just you know 34:11 a crazy response back and instead she writes 34:16 me back and she says this is really cool. 34:19 We're learning about this in our church 34:23 and I said, your church teaches about health? 34:31 You mean your church actually cares 34:33 about people, because in my experience 34:36 at this point the church didn't care about 34:38 people. My church encounters 34:40 were not caring. They were judgmental 34:45 and critical and that wasn't right 34:48 to me. So that arrested you that 34:49 idea that they. Yeah, I was very shocked 34:55 that this church was teaching something 34:57 that actually helped people where 35:00 they were and so I started asking 35:05 her more questions then. Well, what do they 35:08 teach about health? And she said, 35:11 well supposedly vegetarian and that 35:13 put up a red flag to me, 35:15 because I had been studying a lot about 35:18 health and I had been coming across 35:20 a lot of, you know, the veggie foods 35:23 were that this processed foods were 35:27 hitting the market and because of, 35:31 I'm very sensitive to MSG and I 35:33 had realized that a lot of these foods 35:35 are loaded with MSG in various forms. 35:38 All those meats substitutes. Yeah, 35:40 hidden forms but I was reacting to 35:43 them and so I knew these foods 35:44 weren't healthy and they were 35:45 as high in fat as their counterparts 35:47 a lot of time. Many times, yes. 35:49 And so I knew these weren't healthy 35:51 and I thought well, this church must just 35:52 be pushing you know vegetarian products 35:56 that are out there so they can 35:57 make a buck and that was my first thought. 36:01 And she said, no, no, I don't think 36:04 they are. She said, I have this recipe book 36:07 and I'm pretty sure you can eat most 36:10 of what's in it, and so I got kind of 36:13 interested and she started passing along 36:15 some materials to me and she started 36:18 showing me CHIP materials with me 36:20 and I started reading them and I was 36:23 so impressed by what they had 36:26 to say, because everything that I had 36:28 been studying on my own, from my own 36:31 research, praise God, was leading towards 36:33 this way of eating, but everyone, 36:35 it was, there is still so much marketing 36:37 influence from industries and it was 36:41 watering down the truth. It was you 36:44 need to eat more whole foods, you need 36:45 to eat more fruits and vegetables, 36:47 more fruits is grown, but make sure 36:50 you still get me dairy and all these 36:51 other things at the end. And so I thought 36:54 I didn't think I could ever rid of 36:55 those things, I thought I just had to 36:57 make, you know eat more fruits 36:59 and vegetables. Now just a deal 37:00 with time all this was prior to you 37:02 come to get the car. You would establishes 37:04 little routine. This was around the 37:07 same time, so this conversation was going 37:10 home to get the car is really what opened 37:11 the door to things. To all this. 37:13 And I came home and got it, 37:14 you know this conversation had 37:15 came out of that and, and that was on going. 37:18 Yeah, even that was ongoing and so in fact, 37:20 I think she gave me some other 37:22 materials while I was home and so 37:26 I took them back with me and as 37:28 I was reading them I was just really 37:30 impressed, because not only was the science 37:33 valid with what I had been studying, 37:36 but it went further, it took it a 37:40 step further there was more depth there 37:42 then what I had found before, 37:43 and there was a strong realization to me 37:49 that I didn't need to eat meat 37:52 to be healthy, but this wasn't the staple. 37:54 The required food that I had been brought 37:59 up to think it was you know, 38:00 we were taught meat, potato and vegetable, 38:02 that's what you should eat at 38:04 every meal, it was meat, potato and 38:06 a vegetable, that was a healthy balanced 38:08 meal and now I was seeing in these 38:10 materials that there wasn't the case that, 38:12 that there are healthier options and that, 38:16 they make a big difference on 38:18 over health, and so I started reading 38:21 this and I started grilling her on well, 38:23 what does the church teach about this 38:24 and what they teach about these other 38:25 things and I still hadn't made all the 38:28 changes yet that it was teaching, 38:30 but we started talking more and 38:33 she started sharing with me this scripture 38:36 and at that time I, somewhere around 38:42 there I decided but a year after 38:43 sort of being introduce this. She challenged 38:47 me to the CHIP approach and I was 38:52 kind of hypoglycemic at this point, and 38:54 my sugar levels were up and down all the time 38:56 and my energy was up and down. 39:01 And she said, try the CHIP program and 39:05 I am like I don't know it's I mean it's 39:07 looking good, but can you really do this, 39:12 that was my thinking, is it really 39:14 possible and she said, well, try it 39:18 for two weeks and tell me 39:19 what you think. And I thought alright, 39:21 two weeks I can prove that I'm wrong, 39:23 I can go back to life. That was literally 39:24 what went through my mind and so 39:32 I tried it and I said, alright, I'm gonna 39:33 try, but I am not gonna stop snacking. 39:34 See when you are in hypoglycemic, 39:36 they tell you to snack, you need to snack 39:38 all the time to keep your energy up, 39:40 but I said, I will try, but I am not gonna 39:42 stop snacking. But within a week 39:44 I had stopped snacking and I didn't 39:46 even realize it. And my energy was more 39:50 stable through the whole day then 39:52 I had ever experienced. My body was 39:54 functioning so much better than ever 39:56 before and I felt amazing well, 39:59 I can think clear and I was sold 40:01 and I have never gone back since 40:02 then and you know the two week challenge 40:05 turned into six years, six years or so 40:08 since that and the program just 40:12 made such a difference for me, 40:15 eating this way, it made such a 40:16 difference for me. And so that started 40:20 me getting interested well, what else does 40:22 the Bible teach, because she showed me 40:24 this health teachings from the Bible 40:27 and said, you know this came from God. 40:30 He is the one who develop this. 40:33 And when I read this scriptures I 40:37 was so impressed that this was in there, 40:41 a book written two thousands years before 40:44 the science could ever prove it, 40:45 described this it's the optimal way 40:48 to eat, and that to me was divine 40:50 inspiration and that set the Bible apart 40:53 in my mind from a lot of other holy books 40:56 out there and a lot of either teaching, 40:58 even though I had experienced you 41:01 know a lot of those other culture and 41:03 religions and nice people in them. 41:06 This to me said, there was something 41:08 here in Christianity, in the Bible and I 41:12 wanted to know what else the Bible teaches. 41:14 It's very, very interesting isn't it? 41:15 Yeah, it is. She finds biblical principles. 41:19 Her mother draws her attention to those, 41:23 then at the same time she looks 41:25 at these CHIP principles which are build 41:27 really on scientific principles, but 41:31 they also mesh very well with the biblical 41:33 content and all of a sudden the Bible 41:35 becomes a book that is validated in your 41:38 scientific thinking mind, isn't it? Yeah, 41:40 it was very, very validated and they said, 41:44 scientific thinking mind and that's what 41:46 I was. I, I'm an analyst and I'm very science 41:50 driven, very focused on numbers and 41:53 data or what does the data say and 41:55 then if I apply it does it actually work 41:58 and what was impressive here was 42:01 that the number is validated and when 42:03 I applied it, it actually worked. And 42:05 that said, there is something here 42:08 that's different and that's powerful 42:11 and it's effective. So now you went deeper. 42:13 Right. What did you do? Well, after 42:16 that I actually started praying to God 42:20 about whether or not the Sabbath Day 42:23 was important to him. And we had been 42:26 talking for a while now she was very 42:28 committed to Sabbath continually and I 42:32 at first I was like this is just too weird 42:35 like why would one day the any different 42:38 then the other, why does it matter 42:40 and you know really Saturday, everyone 42:43 was going to church on Sunday 42:44 and what's the difference and I started 42:48 praying, God if you, I know you there, 42:51 I feel you're in my life, I wasn't 42:53 really read in the Bible yet but 42:54 I know you are there. If this is important 42:57 to you, you need to show me. Oh, 43:00 dangerous prayer. You need to make it 43:01 personal to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 43:03 you asked that prayer He is on the line. 43:04 He was, he was, so this car I went 43:09 back to get, it was very old, rusty 43:17 and it was in rough shape and I prayed 43:21 that God would just keep that car 43:23 running until I got it back home. 43:26 I was planning on moving to California 43:28 after graduation I said, I just need you 43:29 to get this car through my college 43:32 education, till it gets back to Illinois 43:34 and when I go to California I will get 43:36 a new one. Isn't that interesting? 43:37 A scientific analytical mind. Yes. And all of 43:40 a sudden there is, the faith is beginning 43:44 to sprout, right, she talks to God 43:46 like he is some kind of friend. Yeah. 43:49 That is there right. Yeah. Interesting 43:51 development. Yeah, you're developing a 43:54 relationship almost under your own radar, 43:57 you know, yes, yeah, this thing is growing 43:59 almost unbeknownst you, because you're 44:01 focusing on okay this works, this works, 44:02 this works, but in the under girding 44:05 all of this is this little God consciousness 44:07 that's beginning to formulated in your 44:09 mind and in your life. Yup, and so I prayed 44:11 that He would keep that car running 44:12 until I got it back to home, but when 44:17 I prayed this prayer for Him to prove 44:19 to me the Sabbath that it was important. 44:24 He just like He trumped that other prayer 44:28 with this one, and anytime I wanted go 44:32 out on Sabbath to go shopping, 44:34 to go to a movie, to go to school 44:37 and work, anything I wanted to do, 44:40 anytime I wanted to do something on Sabbath 44:43 that wasn't really keeing the Sabboth. 44:45 The car would stop working. But the rest 44:49 of the week it was fine and if I 44:53 was doing something on Sabbath 44:54 like just go to a friend's house 44:55 to spend some time with them the 44:59 car would work, but if I wanted to go 45:00 to the store it would break down, 45:02 wow! And, so is this only once or twice. 45:06 No, this was over the course of a 45:08 whole year. Well, this was consistent 45:11 that every time I would want to do 45:14 something on Sabbath, Friday night 45:16 or Saturday, go to the store, go out to 45:20 a movie, the car would flood out 45:22 and it wouldn't work. A Sabbath event, 45:25 praise the Lord. Well, I took it to the shop. 45:30 I took the car to the shop and it 45:33 had this gas smell and after sometime 45:36 I took it to the shop to find out 45:37 what was wrong and the guy 45:41 at the shop said, I don't even know 45:43 how your car is running. He said, how 45:46 about my old gas tank which was rusted 45:48 horribly and these two pipes and 45:50 he said, you see these two pipes coming out, 45:51 you see this one it's broken off. He said, 45:55 your car shouldn't even be running. 45:56 I don't know how it's still running, but it 46:00 has been but this is why you have 46:01 this gas smell. You replace the tank 46:03 and you know that was that, 46:05 but God blessed that car to 46:08 keep running. Amen. Except on the Sabbath 46:11 after I prayed for Him to reveal 46:13 the importance of Sabbath. He used that 46:16 to show me. I mean if that would 46:19 have happened once you would think 46:20 it's a coincidence right. It was 46:23 scientifically, analytically oriented 46:24 mind and if he finds it to happen 46:26 over and over and over again and 46:27 all of a sudden there was a pattern 46:28 here right, so how would you interpret 46:31 this, right. It was clear to me 46:32 what it was about and I started committing 46:36 to keeping the Sabbath, before I even 46:39 started going to church. Wow! 46:40 Are you filtering any of this information 46:42 back to your mom, is she aware 46:43 of these thing that are going 46:44 on in your life? You know I think 46:45 we were talking more at this point. 46:47 I wasn't sharing every detail with her 46:50 yet but I was testing it out with you 46:55 know with God and it was just 46:56 mostly between Him and I. Okay. This 46:58 was about my relationship to Him, 47:00 not hers and so I was interested and 47:04 I was gaining interest. And when I moved 47:06 to California He blessed me I mean 47:10 there were so many miracles I can 47:11 tell you about how He has worked 47:12 in my life and how He has provided 47:14 one step of the way through challenges 47:16 and I know we don't have all day 47:18 but He gave me a place to live 47:21 with some amazing Christian roommates 47:23 who I still live with today and one 47:27 of them introduced me to church, 47:30 to going to church. And that kind 47:34 of broke down a lot my barriers. 47:35 I had a lot of walls up still 47:37 about going to church and she introduced 47:40 me to very young adults oriented 47:42 contemporaries service and it was 47:44 what I used to, it especially coming 47:46 out of theater world, is very comfortable, 47:48 but after a month or two I just 47:50 felt like it wasn't challenging me 47:52 in the world, it wasn't helping me grow 47:55 and that's when I stared looking for 47:56 Adventist churches, because I said, 47:58 you know that's what God has really 47:59 touch me through the most at this point. 48:02 And so I started going around the churches 48:05 and after that fall I felt God call me 48:12 to a church in Alhambra. Now I would live up 48:16 at near studio city in California and Alhambra 48:19 was not close to me. And my only connection 48:23 with Alhambra was a guy that I had 48:25 kind of dated who wasn't even a believer 48:27 and I thought why would God call me 48:29 to a church where he is and I didn't 48:32 want to go there because the relationship 48:35 didn't workout, and I didn't want to go 48:37 and have that association. So I felt 48:42 this call but I was resisting it, and then I 48:46 went to a young adult New Year's gathering 48:48 at another church and I talked 48:52 with one of the girls there, and she asked 48:54 me what I was looking for in churches 48:56 and I wanted a really good Pastor 48:57 and you know I need, I want 48:59 someone who can really teach me 49:00 what the Bible teaches. And she said, 49:04 I totally understand she said, I know just the 49:06 church you need to go to and I know 49:08 just the Pastor you need to hear and 49:10 she preaches at the church at Alhambra. 49:14 And I thought she first off that 49:16 was weird me, well this is Pastor Elizabeth 49:19 Tabot who was on voice of prophecy 49:21 now and she was the head Pastor there 49:23 now and she was the at that time. 49:24 And that Alhambra I was sort of shocked, 49:28 because I had felt this call to a church 49:31 in Alhambra. Wow! And I went and the 49:36 sermons spoke right to me and broke down 49:39 every barrier that I had and about 3, 49:42 4 weeks after I was there, this girl from 49:46 my church in the fellowship hall and 49:48 walking by, she reached out to me 49:50 and said, Wendy, Wendy come here, I'm like, 49:53 hey, I don't even know you but you 49:55 know me. And she said, I have to tell 49:58 you something, I have to tell you, 50:00 come here. I'm like what does this lady 50:02 have to tell me. I was very nervous 50:05 but like okay, God's working in my life, 50:08 I'm gonna come sit down. And she says, 50:12 you are an answer to my prayers, 50:17 and I'm like what do you mean? 50:18 I'm sitting there with this odd look, 50:20 I don't even know how to respond to 50:21 that, I'm just new to the church. 50:22 How can I be a answer to somebody's prayers? 50:25 She said, we've been praying for somebody 50:27 to do the health message here. 50:28 She said, I have been praying since 50:29 last fall for someone to do the prayer, 50:31 the health message here. And I knew 50:33 in that moment that she was telling me 50:35 the truth because that was exactly 50:37 when I felt called to that church, 50:40 and so God at this point, was 50:45 very real to me. There was no question 50:47 that He hears prayers and that He answers 50:49 prayers and that He really is there. 50:51 This book is not just the book about 50:54 you know nothing. There really is a higher 50:58 power here because there is no possible 51:00 way that this lady could have 51:03 known that I felt called to this church 51:05 at the same time she was praying. 51:07 Wow! Now I was planning on leading 51:09 a health ministry at this point. 51:11 I wasn't, I didn't want my membership 51:13 with the church. I didn't want anything 51:15 you know I wasn't ready for that. 51:17 Well, you're becoming a tough nut yeah. 51:19 I was very resisted, very resisted. 51:24 But God is, He works hard, He knows 51:27 what we need, but I went to the CHIP 51:29 summit the following fall. That's a national 51:31 conference where we train CHIP people 51:34 and you came to that CHIP conference right. 51:37 Yup. You were certified as a trainer and 51:40 you actually assumed responsibilities in that 51:43 church as the health ministries director 51:46 and you're opting to offer the CHIP program, 51:49 is that right? Well, what happened? 51:51 I actually went to the summit, because 51:55 I kind of wanted to debunk this church 51:58 in this CHIP program. I was still a 52:01 skeptic and, so you're still kind of 52:03 pulled a pin from under. She was going 52:05 to the summit and I thought I got 52:09 to see what's behind this curtain 52:10 because what in front of the curtain 52:12 looks great but once that curtain opens, 52:14 once I get behind this scenes, 52:16 what are they really teaching their people? 52:19 It's like mother like daughter, isn't it? 52:21 Yeah, very much. You had the same skeptical 52:24 mind too. Right. Yes, yes. Very analytical, 52:26 there must be something there, 52:28 so now you're looking behind the curtain, 52:30 what happens? So I came expecting 52:34 to see them teaching their directors 52:37 to be manipulative and you know, 52:39 these kinds of things and they were 52:42 gonna be all rich and you know all about 52:46 that and just this was just another 52:47 greedy way to get money that was 52:49 basically what I thought and when 52:51 I went I was just blown away because 52:54 the people were so real, so down to earth. 52:59 Praise God. So selfless. Praise the Lord. 53:02 In their work and they did it because 53:05 they believed in it, and it was just so 53:10 amazing to meet people who really 53:12 genuinely cared and not just 2 or 3 53:16 or 5 or 10. There was 200, 300 people there 53:20 who all had this same level of commitment 53:24 to this work and to a work that was 53:29 actually helping people, actually making 53:31 a difference in people's lives and I was 53:34 just so impressed by that, that. And saw 53:37 the results of some 20 scientific papers 53:41 published in medical journals that appeared 53:43 to a scientific analytical mind. 53:45 Exactly. I was amazed at the speakers over 53:47 there. I thought wow, a church who values 53:50 this kind of scientific research and who 53:53 is not of afraid of it. Because I had grown 53:55 up in the world where science and 53:56 Christianity could not co-exist and when 54:00 they did, things really didn't line up. 54:03 People were trying to put them in but 54:05 their logic wasn't there and I'm very logic 54:10 oriented, it's just that I can't, 54:12 I can't do logical things and. 54:13 It was matching up. Here it matched, 54:16 it matched up, everything came together 54:18 and the two just coincided and there was 54:23 compassion in it as well. There was a care 54:26 for people. Wendy, our time is slipping by, 54:27 we got to move you a long a little 54:28 bit because obviously it all came together 54:33 for you. Science and faith meshed and you 54:36 became a member of the Adventist Church 54:38 and now you're a CHIP leader. Correct. 54:40 So this is real and it works. Good doctor, 54:44 I want to get your address roll up, 54:46 your information up, because there maybe 54:48 those of you who will want to make contact 54:50 with Dr. Hans, you've seen what CHIP has 54:53 done in the minds of two very skeptical 54:57 people who are now true believers and are 54:59 promoting this. You may want 55:00 this in your life; the weight loss, 55:02 the health, the spiritual realities, 55:06 all of this comes when CHIP comes 55:09 into your life. Should you want to contact 55:11 Dr. Hans Diehl. Find out more about CHIP, 55:13 here is how you can do preciously that. 55:17 If you would like to find out more 55:18 information about the CHIP program and how 55:21 you can bring CHIP to your area, 55:23 write to Lifestyle Medicine Institute, 55:26 PO Office Box 818, Loma Linda, California, 55:30 92354. That's Lifestyle Medicine Institute, 55:35 PO Office Box 818, Loma Linda, 55:39 California, 92354. Or visit their website 55:44 at www.CHIPhealth.org, that's one word spell 55:49 this way CHIPhealth.org. Be sure you contact 55:58 them today. They would love to hear from you. 56:03 Now you will note that we didn't ask 56:05 for a lot of questions this particular time 56:07 and we structured it this way because 56:09 we wanted you really to hear these 56:10 personal testimonies, more than a lot 56:13 of scientific reports from doctors, 56:15 which we do sometimes well we want 56:16 you to hear real people who've had a real 56:18 experience with CHIP and with the Lord 56:20 and we wanted spend some time with mother 56:22 and daughter and get you to understand 56:24 that this is a real thing that brings real 56:26 benefits in your particular life. 56:29 CHIP is a very real thing and if you've 56:32 got the kinds of problems that you've 56:33 seen here, CHIP can correct those. 56:36 Good doctor, in the last few minutes 56:37 just give us a word to have encouragement. 56:40 It's a real privilege for me to see 56:43 here two skeptical people, who come 56:47 into our world, fifty thousand graduates 56:50 who have learned that health is 56:52 largely a matter of choice, not chance, 56:56 I mean people become understanding 56:59 that they can make a contribution 57:01 to own health and take it seriously 57:03 then the same thing can happen, 57:05 it happened to you and to your 57:07 husband. You lost some 138 pounds, 57:10 two of you. You lost 1 percent of your family, 57:12 your husband is off his medication, 57:14 you have a daughter who is doing 57:16 very, very well, very carrier successful 57:19 and she lives a balanced life, 57:21 I mean what else can they really 57:23 want in life, to balance health, 57:25 happiness and meaning and then 57:28 you see you know look at this. 57:29 Yeah. I mean that's the reward. 57:31 That's the reward. Wendy, just really 57:33 quick what are you doing now because 57:34 I know you sort of moved out 57:36 of the arts into the another field, 57:37 what are doing? I work as a business 57:39 analyst and it's a home entertainment 57:41 company and a lot of DVD, media production 57:45 kind of stuff and you know I just, 57:47 I feel very blessed that God actually 57:49 allowed me to keep the Sabbath 57:51 and that's a commitment I made 57:54 at work and it's very good. 57:56 Praise God. Still analyzing. Yes. Well, 57:59 our time has fast slipped into eternity. 58:01 Allow me now in closing to wish 58:02 you both grace and peace through 58:05 our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 58:06 We will see again soon. 58:07 Bye, bye and God bless. |
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