We are back and
Mary from just outside
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of Little Rock.
I hope that you got
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everything down
that you had your pen
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and your pencil
ready and writing,
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because we had a
very exciting first
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hour of dealing with
Nancy's story. Nancy,
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thank you so
very much, well done.
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Thank you. And
CHIP has made a profound
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impact on your
life, yes, and you're
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sharing that with
others. We did say
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at the close of the
last hour that we would
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run a little video,
sort of highlighting
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Nancy's story good doctor and I
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think we'll take
care, take that just now.
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Where does she
get all that energy?
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Nancy, you're
looking great. Hi, I'm Nancy.
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I'd like to tell
you my story. When I was
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growing up I was
thin and full of energy,
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but after I got
married I gained 30 pounds
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in just 2 years and
when I started having
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children I gained
10 pounds with each
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additional child
and before I knew it,
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I found myself
80 pounds overweight
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and for years I
felt sluggish and out of
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energy and just
didn't feel good,
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and I knew I needed to get,
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lose the weight and
I tried some different
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things, but
nothing seemed to work
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and stick with
me. I found CHIP in my
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community. CHIP is
the Coronary Health
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Improvement Project.
I loved the lifestyle
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that it gave me.
I can eat of a large
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variety of foods
that I really enjoy,
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fruits, vegetables,
beans, whole grains,
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delicious foods of all kinds.
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I exercise
regularly. My weight stared
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melting off and
within a short time I have
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found myself, I
had lost 80 pounds.
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My husband Ed, he
was way overweight.
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He had Type two diabetes,
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high cholesterol
and high blood pressure
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and had been on
medications for all
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three of those for
six years. My husband
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is exercising a lot
more now and his brother
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can't hardly keep
up with him anymore.
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Hey, Ed, wait for
me. That used to be me.
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I used to be all out of energy,
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but now I have lot of energy.
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Hi, it's great to
have you back again
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for the summer.
It's good to see you
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too I mean you look
great. How do you do it?
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It's CHIP. Its
really helped us to get our
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health back. I've
lost a lot of weight and I
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have tons of energy and you know
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I've lost so much
weight that I can fit
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back into my
wedding dress again after
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33 years. Your
dad has lost weight.
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He's turned his
diabetes around and he's
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off his
medications for diabetes,
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blood pressure and cholesterol.
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He's feeling great too. Wow!
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It's sounds like
the extreme makeover
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that you were
always looking for.
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Well, CHIP has
really helped us to take
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control of our lives
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and now we have the best life.
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Alright, well done. Good doctor,
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I want to ask
you a question before
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we go to Wendy's
story. Couple of things,
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at no time
tonight, have we used the
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word diet. Why
not and what is the
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difference
between diet and lifestyle
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from your prospective
as a health educator?
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When you go on a
diet, you ultimately
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have to go off
and that ultimately
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is usually 1, 2,
3, 4 weeks, you go on,
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you go off, you
go on, you go off,
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very hard on
the body and usually
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at the end of
one year 95 percent
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of the people who
were on a diet to lose
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weight have gained
it back and have extra
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pounds to boot. We
don't talk about diet.
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We're talking
about a lifestyle change,
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something you can
live with for the rest
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of your life you
know comfortably,
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so you don't
have to do these ups
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and downs, yeah,
but rather you make
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the changes
gradually or once and for all
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and you zero in. Now with Nancy,
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she made this
change, but then she
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cannot plateau it,
she got maybe a little
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bit discouraged to follow why,
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but then she got
really tightened up
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a little bit more
and you were right there.
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Your husband
again, he responded as he
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related to the
dietary lifestyle program
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and the exercise appropriately,
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so they're directly
related. You basically
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get what you
work for. Yeah, yeah,
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well done. Nancy, I just want to
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re-emphasize at
no time during this
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lifestyle change,
did you feel yourself
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deprived or going
through some severe
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traumatic kind of
thing, it was just
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sort of a natural
progression once you
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began to change, what you put in
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your body? What was happening to
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your body?
That's correct, I never
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felt deprived, in
fact, I felt like I was
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eating better than
I ever had in my life.
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The foods were
delicious, colorful,
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I enjoyed what I
was eating, I enjoyed
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fixing what I
was eating, I wished
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I had more time to
work in the kitchen,
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so I could try
more recipes. I just
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loved cooking
and I still do now,
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I love cooking and she look at.
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I love that
because, it's a big change
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for you. Because
Wendy happen to tell us,
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tell us that
during the growing of
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years the kitchen
was not exactly your,
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need more
expertise. That's right.
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During that time
and we're gonna get
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to you sure, but
good doctor I want to
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just, yeah, bring
back this magazine
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which is our
special free offer for the
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evening before we go
to your wife's music,
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but the Clinton Health Crisis,
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walk us through
what this magazine is all
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about and what the
people will receive
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when they get
this? Yeah. This magazine
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helps people to
understand that not
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only diabetes
and hypertension and
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cholesterol are
reversible like you
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talked about with your husband,
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but you can
actually reverse coronary
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artery disease,
the number one killer
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in our society
and that's what the
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president is now
doing as he has adopted
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himself to a whole
foods dietary program.
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Fewer of these refined calories,
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the animal
calories, but more of the
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whole grains,
fresh fruits, vegetables
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and legumes, and that's exactly
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what you did, isn't it? Exactly.
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So you're on the
same program. Yes.
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I mean you should
be in touch with the
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President here.
You know, several
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years ago we went to a dinner at
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the Washington Press Club.
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I could not believe, you know,
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you got Filet
mignon, and you got cream
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potatoes, and
you got cream spinach
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and creamed
asparagus and you know
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all of these
things that people think
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we are really
eating good and actually
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they're digging,
digging their grave
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with that, with
that stuff. You know
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the good life that
we're all after. Yes.
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It's not really that good. No.
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but really one is the best life,
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'cause that was you found right.
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It's a simpler life
and it's a life that is
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related to
simpler foods, has to do
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with building relationships both
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on this level and
you know, she talked
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about this kind
of a level too right.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She found a deeper
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meaning in life,
yes, she found a deep
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relationship with
God. Isn't that what
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happened? Yeah.
That's correct. Yeah.
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And that provides
the ultimate really,
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resource of
energy, yes, to do what
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you think you
should do anyway, yeah,
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it makes you
kind of victorious and
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following what
you think is the right
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thing to do.
Yeah, and God has given
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you with this a
ministry, because
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CHIP really is a ministry. Yes,
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it is. Yeah, it is
a ministry. Wendy you
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actually do get to
talk if ever gonna shine
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the spotlight on
you, I think we'll give a
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chance just to
breath a little bit as we
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call upon your
good wife again to play
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for us, and sister
Lily Diehl is going to be
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playing I believe
it' "Joyful, Joyful
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We Adore Thee" and we'll ask
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her to do that
at this very time.
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Amen, well done. I was saying
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to the good doctor
that his wife's playing
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style, she has to
have very strong hands
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for that to
adopt that style and he
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said that she's
got, she's got a good
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strong muscle here
so he has to behave
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himself or she
can give him a good
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karate chop and
just end the whole.
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And end the whole
deal, so he's got to
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behave himself,
but well done, please
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give our regards
to your lovely wife.
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Thank you. For
doing that music for us.
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You have to eat
right to have that
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strength. Yes.
Those are vegetarian
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hands I guess. They are, yeah,
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they are. Praise
the Lord. We've been
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talking about the CHIP, Coronary
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Health
Improvement Project, this very
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night and we dealt
with the mother story,
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but as we
intimated at the close of the
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first half when
you've got something
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good, of course,
your natural desire
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is to share and
Nancy was no exception
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as she wanted to
share with her daughter
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Wendy and I need to ask you,
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when Nancy began
this changes you're
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already out of the house. Yeah,
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I moved out when
I was 15 and I have
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been living away
from home for several
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years at the
point, so our lifestyles
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were very separate
and she kind of did
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her thing and I did
my thing and we just
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let each other do
their thing and that was,
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that was, how it was. Were you
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kind of aware that
she had begun going
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to church and was
beginning to investigate
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something, were
you getting information
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on that? A little
bit, at that point
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I was away at college and I was
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of state and so I
really wasn't home
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very often and I, I
knew that she had been
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exploring a little
bit. They, my whole
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childhood, my
parents had been looking
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for the one true
church or for the biblical
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teachings the
church that taught them
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and they kind of
hopped around places,
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but never found
what they were looking
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for and so I
kind of felt they were
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just hopping
around again, they wasn't
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anything to it.
It was just checking
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things out,
checking out the churches and
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so I knew they
were kind of getting
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involved with the
church and starting
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to learn about things,
but that was really the,
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I didn't think it was anything
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significant or
serious.. Did you have
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a name, did you,
had you heard the name
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Seventh-day
Adventist or anything?
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You know I don't think I had,
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maybe in passing once or twice,
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but it was very
none, there wasn't much
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said about it. It was just,
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we're kind of
going, we went to a seminar
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and it was about
prophecy and of course
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that was something
they're always very
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interested in, it
was learning about
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prophecy and you
know at this point,
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I kind of stopped
being interested in that.
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When I was young and
I saw them looking at,
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kind of appealed to me a little,
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what are they
looking for, but they kept
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looking and looking
and looking and never
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finding anything
and so I just sort of
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felt well, they're
just looking and they're
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never gonna
find anything. Right.
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And so I was
focused on my college
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education and my career path
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and, and what were
you studying in school?
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I was actually a
technical theater major,
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an undergraduate
and then I did my
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Masters in arts management and
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I was very, my high
schools was actually
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very science
focused, math and science
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focused, and then
I went all arts in
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college and kind
of business oriented
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as well. And that was, I had a,
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I was in a conservatory program,
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I was at
Carnegie Mellon University
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and it was very
focused and very intense
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program and
students who graduate
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from there go on to good career
00:16:23.47\00:16:25.48
and so to me that
was path that had a clear
00:16:25.49\00:16:28.42
direction, a
clear, a clear place to go
00:16:28.43\00:16:32.30
in life, and so
that was my focus and
00:16:32.97\00:16:35.86
I thought she is
kind of, my parents
00:16:35.87\00:16:37.89
kind of just
running, hopping around
00:16:37.90\00:16:40.53
looking the
things and I'm on a path
00:16:40.54\00:16:43.73
and I'm, it's
gonna work for me, yeah,
00:16:43.74\00:16:46.64
and so now, you
know that was how
00:16:46.65\00:16:48.09
I was just going. How then did
00:16:48.10\00:16:52.18
it intersect for
you, 'cause we know
00:16:52.19\00:16:54.43
your mother is
feeding you with bits
00:16:54.44\00:16:55.68
and pieces of
information which you're
00:16:55.69\00:16:57.20
pretty much putting on a shelf.
00:16:57.21\00:16:58.55
Where did the
intersection come? Well,
00:16:58.56\00:17:01.01
when I was just
beginning in college
00:17:01.02\00:17:04.04
and toward the
end of high school
00:17:04.05\00:17:05.02
and early college I
had found out that I
00:17:05.03\00:17:07.42
was struggling
with some different food
00:17:07.43\00:17:09.92
intolerances and
I0 had some different
00:17:09.93\00:17:12.66
health issues
and it was just I was
00:17:12.67\00:17:14.59
realizing at that
point that I was probably
00:17:14.60\00:17:17.02
very intolerant and that what,
00:17:17.03\00:17:18.55
that was the
first thing that turned
00:17:18.56\00:17:20.08
out to be, and
because of that I had
00:17:20.09\00:17:23.56
to learn a whole
new way of eating.
00:17:23.57\00:17:25.19
I had to do a lot of
research on different
00:17:25.20\00:17:28.12
foods that were out
there and health and
00:17:28.13\00:17:31.32
what's going wrong
with me that I can't
00:17:32.03\00:17:34.76
eat like
everybody else and all these
00:17:34.77\00:17:36.89
campaigns, milk
does the body good
00:17:36.90\00:17:38.74
and I was
struggling with that 'cause
00:17:39.18\00:17:40.98
it wasn't doing my body good,
00:17:40.99\00:17:42.51
and but I was
being brain washed with
00:17:43.47\00:17:46.06
this over and over
and over again that
00:17:46.07\00:17:48.10
it was suppose
to be good for me,
00:17:48.11\00:17:49.93
but every time I
had it, I was in pain
00:17:49.94\00:17:52.00
and suffering and struggling.
00:17:52.01\00:17:53.26
You have to had
pain from. I did, I did,
00:17:53.27\00:17:55.39
I had severe
digestive issues and
00:17:55.40\00:17:57.33
it was very painful
and I realized I had
00:17:57.34\00:18:00.79
to make a change
and after about 2 years
00:18:00.80\00:18:03.66
of trying it in
and out of my diet
00:18:03.67\00:18:04.97
I finally convinced
myself yes, its that
00:18:04.98\00:18:07.13
and I got it out
of my diet. Alright,
00:18:07.14\00:18:09.27
let me just stop
you there one second
00:18:09.28\00:18:10.38
and ask you good
doctor, is this Lactose
00:18:10.39\00:18:13.09
intolerance, is
that a common thing in
00:18:13.10\00:18:15.00
United States or
it's gonna a rare thing?
00:18:15.01\00:18:16.94
Well, it's fairly
common occurrence worldwide.
00:18:17.76\00:18:22.00
In this country
here you have more then
00:18:22.95\00:18:25.18
most people realize
and particularly in the
00:18:25.19\00:18:27.58
Afro-American
Community it could be
00:18:27.59\00:18:29.84
very prevalent, 30,
40 percent. So it's not a
00:18:29.85\00:18:34.25
minimal issue.
Okay. And actually for me
00:18:34.26\00:18:39.11
it was the protein,
the milk protein that was
00:18:39.12\00:18:41.26
causing the problems
which was in everything
00:18:41.27\00:18:43.57
and then they
put casein and whey
00:18:43.58\00:18:45.29
in butter, in taco
seasonings of all places,
00:18:45.30\00:18:50.55
I mean it was
everything that I had
00:18:50.56\00:18:52.43
to start reading ingredients on
00:18:52.44\00:18:53.93
and learning how
to eat in a new way
00:18:53.94\00:18:56.73
and so I started
studying this and
00:18:56.74\00:18:59.11
researching a lot
and I came across vegan
00:18:59.12\00:19:02.93
foods and kosher foods, because
00:19:02.94\00:19:05.96
you know kosher
powder foods these didn't
00:19:05.97\00:19:08.68
have dairy, so
they were great for me
00:19:08.69\00:19:10.59
and I kind of
called them joking loud
00:19:11.27\00:19:13.10
said, I'm a vegan who eats meat,
00:19:13.11\00:19:14.65
because you know I
thought I still had
00:19:14.66\00:19:16.04
to eat meat, so I
would take vegan food
00:19:16.05\00:19:17.76
and I throw meat into them. And,
00:19:17.77\00:19:20.17
but I started
cleaning up my diet
00:19:20.79\00:19:22.80
and making healthy
changes, but despite
00:19:22.81\00:19:26.49
those healthy
changes I was still putting
00:19:26.50\00:19:28.08
on weight. By age
20, I was the size 14
00:19:28.09\00:19:31.67
and I was heading
down the same path
00:19:31.68\00:19:33.24
as my parents and
for reference I'm a
00:19:33.25\00:19:36.42
size four now,
so it was, I never,
00:19:36.43\00:19:39.77
I didn't think it
was possible to be that
00:19:39.78\00:19:42.40
size but, to be
the 14 or the 4? The 4,
00:19:42.41\00:19:45.93
it wasn't even on our
radar growing up, yeah,
00:19:46.78\00:19:49.22
you know I so, I
had started making
00:19:50.55\00:19:53.54
these changes
and then one summer
00:19:53.55\00:19:57.03
I was back in my home town area,
00:19:57.04\00:19:59.71
there was a
theater there I was working
00:19:59.72\00:20:01.12
at and I didn't live at home,
00:20:01.13\00:20:02.85
I lived at the
theater, but I came home
00:20:02.86\00:20:05.03
few times to
visit. And towards the end
00:20:05.04\00:20:09.95
of that summer I
came home for the weekend,
00:20:09.96\00:20:13.86
last weekend I was
there and I wanted to
00:20:13.87\00:20:17.57
repaint my
parent's house for that,
00:20:18.55\00:20:21.52
repaint one of the
rooms. Nice gesture.
00:20:21.53\00:20:23.63
Yeah, it had, it
was getting old and
00:20:23.64\00:20:26.13
tarnished and
needed to clean up and
00:20:26.14\00:20:28.78
my parents, I knew
at this point they were
00:20:29.99\00:20:31.42
going to the church
regularly and they had
00:20:31.43\00:20:34.89
been talking about
it, more about this
00:20:34.90\00:20:37.03
church and what it
taught. You know I was
00:20:37.04\00:20:40.43
okay with them
going, but it was their
00:20:40.44\00:20:42.41
thing and it
wasn't my thing, it was
00:20:42.42\00:20:45.82
their thing and I
said whatever they wanna
00:20:45.83\00:20:47.81
believe, whatever they wanna do,
00:20:47.82\00:20:49.52
that's okay,
that's their choice and I
00:20:49.53\00:20:53.16
respect that. But
towards the end of the
00:20:53.17\00:20:57.47
summer you know
there was more interaction
00:20:57.48\00:21:00.06
around this and
my mum had talked
00:21:00.07\00:21:03.51
about the
Sabbath and I knew that
00:21:03.52\00:21:05.80
she talked about
keeping the Sabbath
00:21:05.81\00:21:08.57
holy and that kind
of thing and I knew
00:21:09.03\00:21:11.13
a little bit about
that you know she didn't go
00:21:11.14\00:21:12.59
out to work, she
didn't do certain things,
00:21:12.60\00:21:15.17
but I didn't really
know what that meant
00:21:15.18\00:21:18.02
in detail and she
actually, when I went
00:21:18.03\00:21:24.56
to paint, I
wanted to paint the house
00:21:24.57\00:21:26.92
and I had my
plan all worked out.
00:21:26.93\00:21:28.70
It was the last week I was home.
00:21:28.71\00:21:30.44
I had full
schedule I was going to,
00:21:30.45\00:21:32.69
on Friday morning
I was going to go,
00:21:34.02\00:21:35.69
buy the
materials, I come home and
00:21:35.70\00:21:38.07
I'd move everything
away Friday afternoon
00:21:38.08\00:21:40.67
and evening and
then I paint all day
00:21:40.68\00:21:43.10
Saturday and then
put everything back
00:21:43.11\00:21:45.47
Saturday night, and
then do myself Sunday
00:21:45.48\00:21:48.71
and pack and leave
on Monday. And when
00:21:48.72\00:21:51.94
I stared to tell her
this plan she stopped me
00:21:51.95\00:21:55.68
and she kind of got
this look on her face
00:21:56.45\00:21:59.50
that was very
sad, and maybe a little
00:21:59.51\00:22:03.78
hurt and she said,
she said, well, can we
00:22:03.79\00:22:11.02
do it after the
Sabbath and I said, why,
00:22:11.03\00:22:16.99
why does it
matter? Well, it's, I just,
00:22:19.88\00:22:22.58
it's the
Sabbath, and I don't think
00:22:22.59\00:22:24.62
you should work on the Sabbath
00:22:24.63\00:22:25.99
and I wanted to
respect her beliefs,
00:22:27.71\00:22:32.31
but at the same
time I didn't want her
00:22:32.32\00:22:35.60
controlling me and
that's what I thought
00:22:35.61\00:22:37.37
it was and when I
said, you know, this,
00:22:37.38\00:22:40.59
it's fine I don't
mind, I don't mind
00:22:40.60\00:22:43.08
doing this. It's not work to me,
00:22:43.09\00:22:44.52
I want to do it.
Then she kind of told me
00:22:44.53\00:22:48.27
some of the
scripture and you know,
00:22:48.28\00:22:50.46
you're not, the
Bible says you know you're
00:22:50.47\00:22:52.42
not suppose to
work on the Sabbath
00:22:52.43\00:22:54.00
and I thought
she was kind of guilt
00:22:55.15\00:22:56.82
tripping me. I
actually, I really felt like
00:22:56.83\00:23:03.26
she was trying to
control me and control
00:23:03.27\00:23:06.04
what I was doing
and it hurt me and
00:23:06.05\00:23:10.39
that combined with
some other things that
00:23:10.40\00:23:13.46
had come up that
weekend just really
00:23:13.47\00:23:18.65
hurt me very
deeply and I actually
00:23:19.36\00:23:20.92
stopped talking to
her for almost a year,
00:23:20.93\00:23:23.45
for about 9 months
and. So you're very
00:23:23.46\00:23:27.52
passionate about
this. It was something
00:23:27.53\00:23:29.17
that really.
Yeah, you know it was,
00:23:29.18\00:23:31.68
I had grown up in a, you know,
00:23:33.77\00:23:36.22
she mentioned in the
first half they didn't
00:23:36.23\00:23:38.50
go to the
church, but they both had
00:23:38.51\00:23:40.25
a strong belief in the Bible and
00:23:40.26\00:23:42.09
we've grown up in
a community that was
00:23:42.10\00:23:45.01
fairly Christian
and you know a lot of
00:23:45.02\00:23:47.52
people went to
church, but there was
00:23:47.53\00:23:49.60
a lot of fire and
brimstone in churches
00:23:49.61\00:23:51.36
and when I would
see Pastors on TV,
00:23:51.37\00:23:53.27
there was a lot of,
it was a lot of fire
00:23:53.28\00:23:56.02
and brimstone
and that didn't align
00:23:56.03\00:23:59.39
with the God I knew
and I always believed
00:23:59.40\00:24:03.29
in a higher power
and I always felt that
00:24:03.30\00:24:05.65
relationship, but
when I saw certain churches
00:24:05.66\00:24:10.10
were teaching and
how certain people
00:24:10.11\00:24:11.52
were acting who
called themselves
00:24:11.53\00:24:13.16
Christians, I
didn't feel like that was
00:24:13.17\00:24:19.03
what this higher
power was telling me.
00:24:19.04\00:24:21.58
And so then I kind
of rebelled against
00:24:21.59\00:24:26.79
the lot of that. I
didn't, I knew that
00:24:26.80\00:24:28.42
wasn't the right
way and I didn't want
00:24:28.43\00:24:30.08
anything to do with that and so
00:24:30.09\00:24:33.74
when she started
trying to control my life
00:24:33.75\00:24:37.25
or what it felt in
me like she was trying
00:24:37.26\00:24:38.82
to control my
life. I got very hurt
00:24:38.83\00:24:43.50
by that, very standoffish, and I
00:24:43.51\00:24:47.01
didn't want
anything to do with it
00:24:47.02\00:24:49.01
and I said, you
can believe what you
00:24:49.02\00:24:51.24
want to believe
and if you feel that
00:24:51.25\00:24:54.52
this is what you
need to do, you go ahead
00:24:54.53\00:24:58.34
and do that, but
don't expect me to join
00:24:58.35\00:25:01.93
you on that. Don't, you know,
00:25:01.94\00:25:03.96
that's not what
I believe. My whole
00:25:03.97\00:25:06.04
career at that
point was depended upon
00:25:06.05\00:25:08.24
working Friday
night and Saturday.
00:25:08.25\00:25:09.61
I was in theater and that's when
00:25:09.62\00:25:11.14
performances are.
And I did believe that,
00:25:11.15\00:25:14.99
that was where
God had called me go
00:25:15.00\00:25:16.26
to school and so
it didn't, it didn't
00:25:16.27\00:25:19.02
align for me,
but as we, you know,
00:25:19.03\00:25:24.98
we went our separated ways,
00:25:24.99\00:25:26.45
we didn't end
on a very good note
00:25:26.46\00:25:28.83
that weekend. Did
you finish that room,
00:25:28.84\00:25:31.47
did you paint
that? I did, I did,
00:25:31.48\00:25:32.86
I painted, I
did, I did paint it.
00:25:32.87\00:25:35.74
I did all myself
because she didn't,
00:25:35.75\00:25:38.55
she wasn't
gonna help and I said,
00:25:38.56\00:25:41.31
well, that's fine,
I'm just gonna do it,
00:25:41.32\00:25:43.48
I'm not gonna make her work,
00:25:43.49\00:25:44.74
yeah, alright,
because that would violate
00:25:44.75\00:25:47.16
her beliefs but
it wasn't my belief.
00:25:47.17\00:25:50.20
So I felt entitled
to work. So the whole,
00:25:50.21\00:25:53.47
thy son nor thy daughter nor the
00:25:53.48\00:25:54.80
cattle that. I
didn't know about that part.
00:25:54.81\00:25:57.43
It wasn't until
about a year or two later
00:25:59.19\00:26:01.52
that I read that
part and realized oh,
00:26:01.53\00:26:03.86
that was why she was concerned.
00:26:03.87\00:26:07.05
Well, let me hold
just a second, Nancy,
00:26:07.06\00:26:08.93
how did you feel?
She obviously rejected
00:26:08.94\00:26:10.92
what you were trying to share?
00:26:10.93\00:26:11.99
You were sharing
it from your heart.
00:26:12.00\00:26:13.20
She is painting
your house on the Sabbath
00:26:13.21\00:26:15.02
what was going on in
my mind and head? Well,
00:26:15.03\00:26:16.58
I was very
grateful that she wanted
00:26:16.59\00:26:18.89
to do this for
us. I thought it was a
00:26:18.90\00:26:21.30
wonderful idea and
I knew she was doing
00:26:21.31\00:26:23.93
this out of the
goodness of her heart
00:26:23.94\00:26:25.39
and the love for us
and it just bothered
00:26:25.40\00:26:29.49
me that she wanted
to do it on the Lord's
00:26:29.50\00:26:33.15
Sabbath day, the
day of rest, and I felt
00:26:33.16\00:26:37.58
that she could
just adjust the time,
00:26:37.59\00:26:39.55
so that she could
do it on Saturday night
00:26:39.56\00:26:41.67
and Sunday, do
other things you know on
00:26:41.68\00:26:45.02
the Sabbath and I
tried to make it clear
00:26:45.03\00:26:49.32
that I wasn't
trying to control her life
00:26:49.33\00:26:53.62
or tell her you have
to do things this way
00:26:53.63\00:26:55.75
and I guess I
didn't come across very
00:26:56.95\00:26:58.88
well on that,
because that's not the way
00:26:58.89\00:27:00.66
she took it, but
that was the intent was
00:27:00.67\00:27:06.05
that, I didn't
want people work, since
00:27:06.06\00:27:11.64
I didn't work on the Sabbath,
00:27:11.65\00:27:13.21
I didn't want
others working for me
00:27:13.22\00:27:16.12
or doing work for me
on the Sabbath either,
00:27:16.13\00:27:18.95
because the
command says, you know,
00:27:19.82\00:27:21.86
neither thy son,
nor thy daughter,
00:27:21.87\00:27:23.63
maid-servant, the
man-servant within
00:27:23.64\00:27:26.81
your gates you
know, yeah, and I had
00:27:26.82\00:27:30.00
mentioned that to
her and I think that
00:27:30.01\00:27:32.15
just kind of, she
took it even harder that
00:27:32.16\00:27:34.81
it was, I was
laying a guilt-trip on her.
00:27:34.82\00:27:37.81
That's exactly what I thought.
00:27:37.82\00:27:39.62
Well, you were
painting now as of with
00:27:39.63\00:27:41.09
a clenched fist.
Yeah, yes, exactly
00:27:41.10\00:27:43.82
oh, I was, I very
much was. I didn't tell her
00:27:43.83\00:27:48.82
she couldn't do
it, but I just left it,
00:27:48.83\00:27:51.87
left it go at
that point. Yeah, yeah,
00:27:51.88\00:27:53.75
did you guys going to church and
00:27:53.76\00:27:54.98
sort of just live
there or you around
00:27:54.99\00:27:56.63
the house or? I don't remember.
00:27:56.64\00:27:58.80
You know I think
they actually were
00:27:58.81\00:27:59.97
Friday night they
went to bed and that's
00:27:59.98\00:28:02.32
what I started
moving the first, because
00:28:02.33\00:28:04.24
I didn't want to
make them mad so I just
00:28:04.25\00:28:07.36
did while they were
sleeping, and then put
00:28:07.37\00:28:11.99
everything back
the next day and I just
00:28:12.00\00:28:14.14
did it on my own and.
But it's so interesting
00:28:14.15\00:28:16.44
isn't it? You
have feel your love,
00:28:16.45\00:28:19.33
you have the love
of a daughter who wants
00:28:19.34\00:28:21.12
to do something
nice for the parents.
00:28:21.13\00:28:22.62
The parents have a
different belief system
00:28:22.63\00:28:24.80
than she has and
all of a sudden you have
00:28:24.81\00:28:26.65
two things in collision and both
00:28:26.66\00:28:28.23
parties are well intentions,
00:28:28.24\00:28:29.72
isn't that right? Yes, yes, yes.
00:28:29.73\00:28:31.35
This is what
happens sometimes, isn't it?
00:28:31.36\00:28:33.21
How did you
resolve this whole things?
00:28:33.22\00:28:34.99
Well, about 9 months
later in the following
00:28:35.00\00:28:38.21
spring, my
brother had returned a car
00:28:38.22\00:28:41.20
back to my parents
house, so now there's
00:28:41.21\00:28:43.34
an extra car and
I could get it and
00:28:43.35\00:28:44.88
take it back to
school. So this is a year
00:28:44.89\00:28:46.50
of silence now you
have, pretty much yeah,
00:28:46.51\00:28:48.49
we talked a few
times, but it was just
00:28:48.50\00:28:50.96
business. It was,
you got this mail, okay,
00:28:50.97\00:28:53.80
send it to me or
file it and I, there was
00:28:53.81\00:28:57.82
no emotion, no heart to heart,
00:28:57.83\00:28:59.99
it was just
business or and it was very
00:29:00.00\00:29:03.10
tense at least
for me all the time,
00:29:03.11\00:29:04.83
because I was
upset, I was angry,
00:29:06.80\00:29:08.80
I felt like she was
trying to control me
00:29:08.81\00:29:13.74
and I was in
college now and I've been
00:29:13.75\00:29:16.06
living on my own
for a long time and
00:29:16.07\00:29:17.76
I didn't want my
parents controlling me
00:29:17.77\00:29:20.46
anymore. You're
paddling own canoe.
00:29:20.47\00:29:21.83
Exactly, and I was, you know,
00:29:21.84\00:29:24.66
I was determined to
make a life for myself
00:29:24.67\00:29:29.50
and have a good
life and I didn't want
00:29:29.51\00:29:34.01
anything
interfering with that and so,
00:29:34.02\00:29:36.88
I you know, I sort
of made up my mind about
00:29:36.89\00:29:39.94
certain things I
believed and didn't
00:29:39.95\00:29:41.13
believe and that
was not something that
00:29:41.14\00:29:44.18
I had believed
at that time and so.
00:29:44.19\00:29:46.35
How did you feel
Nancy during that time,
00:29:46.85\00:29:48.75
It must have been
hard to be without a
00:29:48.76\00:29:51.02
daughter that you
care deeply about right?
00:29:51.03\00:29:52.96
It was difficult because we had
00:29:52.97\00:29:55.18
communicated in the
previous years of her
00:29:55.19\00:29:57.86
education and I
wanted to make a point
00:29:57.87\00:30:01.21
too that she
mentioned she moved out at 15,
00:30:01.94\00:30:03.90
well, she didn't
move out because she
00:30:03.91\00:30:05.80
didn't like
home, she moved out to
00:30:05.81\00:30:08.00
go to a
residential school where she
00:30:08.01\00:30:10.76
could get the
education she wanted,
00:30:10.77\00:30:12.54
and so it was a mutual thing for
00:30:13.16\00:30:15.45
her to move out.
So you're very focused
00:30:15.46\00:30:16.66
educationally
from fairly young you
00:30:16.67\00:30:18.67
had an idea what you're gonna do
00:30:18.68\00:30:20.07
and where you're gonna go,
00:30:20.08\00:30:21.05
and then it turned
out that she got summer
00:30:21.06\00:30:22.37
jobs at that same
school, so it kept her
00:30:22.38\00:30:24.92
there even in the summer time.
00:30:24.93\00:30:26.21
So she became very independent
00:30:26.92\00:30:28.58
at age 15,
yeah, and this showed,
00:30:28.59\00:30:31.72
as a college student now I mean
00:30:31.73\00:30:34.09
we had
communicated well and we're
00:30:34.10\00:30:35.87
doing fine relationship wise
00:30:35.88\00:30:37.96
until this
occurred. And I just felt that
00:30:37.97\00:30:41.34
at that point,
I need to just let
00:30:41.35\00:30:44.33
her go, don't try to make up,
00:30:44.34\00:30:49.44
in case of make up you know
00:30:49.45\00:30:51.22
at this point I
just felt like let her
00:30:51.23\00:30:53.48
do what she needs to do,
00:30:53.49\00:30:54.81
what she wants to do and I kind
00:30:54.82\00:30:57.22
of felt a spiritual sense of you
00:30:57.23\00:31:01.29
might say God
telling me, let her go,
00:31:01.30\00:31:03.96
don't worry
about it. And so that's
00:31:04.00\00:31:06.56
what I did, and
so she said, she,
00:31:06.57\00:31:09.23
we felt tense
when we communicated.
00:31:09.24\00:31:11.63
I didn't feel that she did,
00:31:11.97\00:31:14.54
but I just felt
but it was a surface
00:31:14.55\00:31:20.05
communication
you know just things
00:31:20.06\00:31:22.19
were on the
surface, but I didn't delve
00:31:22.20\00:31:25.30
into her life or
her privacy or anything
00:31:25.31\00:31:28.32
like that and just let her go.
00:31:28.33\00:31:30.35
Yeah, I can see
that as Dr. Hans said,
00:31:30.36\00:31:32.92
kind of paddling
your own canoe since 15
00:31:32.93\00:31:35.10
on your own, I'm
in college now and
00:31:35.11\00:31:36.83
this woman was
gonna try to control
00:31:36.84\00:31:38.16
my life, no way.
And of course you maybe
00:31:38.17\00:31:40.24
feeling a little
guilty. Alright. I was,
00:31:40.25\00:31:43.11
I was, I
definitely was and you know it
00:31:43.12\00:31:47.00
was an odd kind of guilt too,
00:31:47.01\00:31:48.80
because I felt like
I did everything right.
00:31:48.81\00:31:52.69
I was respectful of her beliefs.
00:31:52.70\00:31:54.63
I just didn't
believe it by myself, yeah,
00:31:55.01\00:31:57.84
and so I really felt like I was
00:31:57.85\00:32:01.38
doing everything
that I needed to do,
00:32:01.39\00:32:04.14
but I was still
violating the laws
00:32:04.63\00:32:08.86
of the land, you
know I was still violating
00:32:08.87\00:32:10.76
the way God
created His system to
00:32:10.77\00:32:15.05
to work and so He
put that, that, I think
00:32:15.06\00:32:19.51
he put that in
my heart and gave me
00:32:19.52\00:32:21.60
that sense of, you
know there is something
00:32:21.61\00:32:24.47
I want you to learn here Wendy,
00:32:24.48\00:32:25.85
that was sort of the feeling
00:32:25.86\00:32:28.20
and I didn't, I
didn't want to relinquish
00:32:28.21\00:32:30.88
that for a long
time. But going back
00:32:30.89\00:32:34.41
to what you have mentioned about
00:32:34.42\00:32:35.39
coming home, how do we come back
00:32:36.15\00:32:39.07
together? I had
to go home to get
00:32:39.08\00:32:41.44
this car. Yes.
I needed, I wanted
00:32:41.45\00:32:44.61
this car. It
wasn't a very good car,
00:32:44.62\00:32:46.82
but it was a car and I wanted it
00:32:46.83\00:32:49.12
at school and so I had to come
00:32:49.13\00:32:51.66
home and get it,
but I had to do it
00:32:51.67\00:32:53.37
in one weekend
get back for class.
00:32:53.38\00:32:54.84
They lived very remotely and at
00:32:54.85\00:32:57.28
this point, there
was many foods that I
00:32:57.29\00:32:58.91
was not eating,
because of my food
00:32:58.92\00:33:00.99
intolerances,
and I had to have her
00:33:01.00\00:33:03.77
pick up some food for me,
00:33:03.78\00:33:05.67
but I wanted her
to get vegan butter
00:33:06.85\00:33:10.55
and soy milk,
because I was dairy free
00:33:10.56\00:33:12.77
and knowing she
came from a dairy
00:33:12.78\00:33:14.90
farm and they
basically lived out on
00:33:14.91\00:33:16.49
a beef farm, I
thought she is going
00:33:16.50\00:33:17.98
think I am crazy
when I ask for this,
00:33:17.99\00:33:19.82
and I, but I was still so hurt.
00:33:20.51\00:33:23.35
I went through
everything I could
00:33:23.36\00:33:26.69
come up with, every way I could
00:33:26.70\00:33:28.33
think of that I
could go, get this stuff
00:33:28.34\00:33:30.91
myself instead
of having to ask her
00:33:30.92\00:33:32.51
for it, but there
was just no option
00:33:32.52\00:33:34.23
and I had do it, so I sent her
00:33:34.24\00:33:35.84
an email and I hesitantly write
00:33:35.85\00:33:39.03
you know, I
know I'm not gonna be
00:33:39.04\00:33:40.50
home for long. Can
you, can you pick up
00:33:40.51\00:33:42.31
these things, so I can eat while
00:33:42.32\00:33:43.76
I'm there. And I am
expecting her to right
00:33:43.77\00:33:46.49
back and be like,
are you crazy you know
00:33:46.50\00:33:49.13
what, but you want vegan butter
00:33:49.14\00:33:50.56
and soy milk for
because you know,
00:33:50.57\00:33:52.77
being a
vegetarian and where we lived
00:33:52.78\00:33:55.45
was crazy, it was
I mean you were weird
00:33:55.46\00:33:59.43
if you were a vegetarian, so
00:33:59.44\00:34:00.95
vegan butter and soy milk that
00:34:00.96\00:34:02.97
would have been over the top.
00:34:02.98\00:34:04.04
And I, so I very
hesitantly emailed
00:34:05.42\00:34:08.81
her and I'm
expecting just you know
00:34:08.82\00:34:11.89
a crazy response back
and instead she writes
00:34:11.90\00:34:16.08
me back and she
says this is really cool.
00:34:16.09\00:34:17.76
We're learning
about this in our church
00:34:19.03\00:34:20.77
and I said, your
church teaches about health?
00:34:23.16\00:34:29.93
You mean your
church actually cares
00:34:31.25\00:34:33.08
about people,
because in my experience
00:34:33.09\00:34:36.13
at this point the
church didn't care about
00:34:36.14\00:34:38.34
people. My church encounters
00:34:38.35\00:34:40.38
were not caring.
They were judgmental
00:34:40.39\00:34:45.03
and critical and
that wasn't right
00:34:45.04\00:34:48.09
to me. So that arrested you that
00:34:48.10\00:34:49.59
idea that they.
Yeah, I was very shocked
00:34:49.60\00:34:54.75
that this church
was teaching something
00:34:55.56\00:34:57.50
that actually
helped people where
00:34:57.51\00:35:00.28
they were and
so I started asking
00:35:00.29\00:35:05.18
her more questions
then. Well, what do they
00:35:05.19\00:35:08.63
teach about
health? And she said,
00:35:08.64\00:35:11.17
well supposedly
vegetarian and that
00:35:11.18\00:35:13.67
put up a red flag to me,
00:35:13.68\00:35:14.99
because I had been
studying a lot about
00:35:15.00\00:35:18.16
health and I had
been coming across
00:35:18.17\00:35:20.68
a lot of, you
know, the veggie foods
00:35:20.69\00:35:23.53
were that this
processed foods were
00:35:23.54\00:35:27.41
hitting the
market and because of,
00:35:27.42\00:35:31.67
I'm very sensitive to MSG and I
00:35:31.68\00:35:33.96
had realized that
a lot of these foods
00:35:33.97\00:35:35.46
are loaded with
MSG in various forms.
00:35:35.47\00:35:38.85
All those meats
substitutes. Yeah,
00:35:38.86\00:35:40.63
hidden forms but
I was reacting to
00:35:40.64\00:35:43.22
them and so I knew these foods
00:35:43.23\00:35:44.69
weren't healthy and they were
00:35:44.70\00:35:45.76
as high in fat as
their counterparts
00:35:45.77\00:35:47.86
a lot of time. Many times, yes.
00:35:47.87\00:35:49.20
And so I knew
these weren't healthy
00:35:49.21\00:35:50.99
and I thought well,
this church must just
00:35:51.00\00:35:52.96
be pushing you
know vegetarian products
00:35:52.97\00:35:56.05
that are out there so they can
00:35:56.06\00:35:57.25
make a buck and that
was my first thought.
00:35:57.26\00:36:00.28
And she said,
no, no, I don't think
00:36:01.59\00:36:04.36
they are. She said,
I have this recipe book
00:36:04.37\00:36:07.42
and I'm pretty
sure you can eat most
00:36:07.43\00:36:10.50
of what's in it,
and so I got kind of
00:36:10.51\00:36:13.65
interested and she
started passing along
00:36:13.66\00:36:15.87
some materials to
me and she started
00:36:15.88\00:36:18.18
showing me CHIP
materials with me
00:36:18.19\00:36:19.38
and I started
reading them and I was
00:36:20.09\00:36:23.51
so impressed by what they had
00:36:23.52\00:36:26.00
to say, because
everything that I had
00:36:26.01\00:36:28.96
been studying on
my own, from my own
00:36:28.97\00:36:31.14
research, praise
God, was leading towards
00:36:31.15\00:36:33.90
this way of
eating, but everyone,
00:36:33.91\00:36:35.74
it was, there is
still so much marketing
00:36:35.75\00:36:37.81
influence from
industries and it was
00:36:37.82\00:36:41.40
watering down
the truth. It was you
00:36:41.41\00:36:44.53
need to eat more
whole foods, you need
00:36:44.54\00:36:45.84
to eat more
fruits and vegetables,
00:36:45.85\00:36:47.02
more fruits is
grown, but make sure
00:36:47.03\00:36:49.98
you still get me
dairy and all these
00:36:49.99\00:36:51.95
other things at the
end. And so I thought
00:36:51.96\00:36:54.23
I didn't think I
could ever rid of
00:36:54.24\00:36:55.68
those things, I
thought I just had to
00:36:55.69\00:36:57.17
make, you know eat more fruits
00:36:57.18\00:36:59.17
and vegetables. Now just a deal
00:36:59.18\00:37:00.79
with time all
this was prior to you
00:37:00.80\00:37:02.76
come to get the car.
You would establishes
00:37:02.77\00:37:04.63
little routine.
This was around the
00:37:04.64\00:37:07.57
same time, so this
conversation was going
00:37:07.58\00:37:09.99
home to get the car
is really what opened
00:37:10.00\00:37:11.87
the door to things. To all this.
00:37:11.88\00:37:13.01
And I came home and got it,
00:37:13.02\00:37:14.44
you know this conversation had
00:37:14.45\00:37:15.90
came out of that and,
and that was on going.
00:37:15.91\00:37:18.18
Yeah, even that was
ongoing and so in fact,
00:37:18.19\00:37:20.93
I think she gave me some other
00:37:20.94\00:37:22.38
materials while
I was home and so
00:37:22.39\00:37:26.54
I took them back with me and as
00:37:26.55\00:37:28.70
I was reading
them I was just really
00:37:28.71\00:37:30.15
impressed, because
not only was the science
00:37:30.16\00:37:33.26
valid with what I
had been studying,
00:37:33.27\00:37:36.48
but it went
further, it took it a
00:37:36.49\00:37:40.38
step further there
was more depth there
00:37:40.39\00:37:42.22
then what I had found before,
00:37:42.23\00:37:43.95
and there was a
strong realization to me
00:37:43.96\00:37:49.89
that I didn't need to eat meat
00:37:49.90\00:37:52.34
to be healthy, but
this wasn't the staple.
00:37:52.35\00:37:54.85
The required food
that I had been brought
00:37:54.86\00:37:59.09
up to think it was you know,
00:37:59.10\00:38:00.37
we were taught meat,
potato and vegetable,
00:38:00.38\00:38:02.11
that's what you should eat at
00:38:02.89\00:38:04.91
every meal, it
was meat, potato and
00:38:04.92\00:38:06.12
a vegetable, that
was a healthy balanced
00:38:06.13\00:38:08.02
meal and now I
was seeing in these
00:38:08.03\00:38:10.18
materials that there
wasn't the case that,
00:38:10.19\00:38:12.43
that there are
healthier options and that,
00:38:12.44\00:38:16.24
they make a big difference on
00:38:16.25\00:38:18.57
over health, and
so I started reading
00:38:18.58\00:38:21.22
this and I started
grilling her on well,
00:38:21.23\00:38:22.99
what does the
church teach about this
00:38:23.00\00:38:24.03
and what they
teach about these other
00:38:24.04\00:38:25.62
things and I still
hadn't made all the
00:38:25.63\00:38:28.72
changes yet
that it was teaching,
00:38:28.73\00:38:30.41
but we started talking more and
00:38:30.42\00:38:33.79
she started sharing
with me this scripture
00:38:33.80\00:38:36.22
and at that time
I, somewhere around
00:38:36.23\00:38:42.05
there I decided but a year after
00:38:42.06\00:38:43.87
sort of being
introduce this. She challenged
00:38:43.88\00:38:47.60
me to the CHIP
approach and I was
00:38:47.61\00:38:52.38
kind of
hypoglycemic at this point, and
00:38:52.39\00:38:54.63
my sugar levels were
up and down all the time
00:38:54.64\00:38:56.90
and my energy was up and down.
00:38:56.91\00:39:00.54
And she said, try
the CHIP program and
00:39:01.74\00:39:05.18
I am like I don't
know it's I mean it's
00:39:05.19\00:39:07.40
looking good, but
can you really do this,
00:39:07.41\00:39:12.23
that was my
thinking, is it really
00:39:12.24\00:39:14.38
possible and she
said, well, try it
00:39:14.39\00:39:18.08
for two weeks and tell me
00:39:18.09\00:39:19.10
what you think.
And I thought alright,
00:39:19.11\00:39:21.57
two weeks I can
prove that I'm wrong,
00:39:21.58\00:39:23.22
I can go back to
life. That was literally
00:39:23.23\00:39:24.87
what went through my mind and so
00:39:24.88\00:39:32.02
I tried it and I
said, alright, I'm gonna
00:39:32.03\00:39:33.67
try, but I am not
gonna stop snacking.
00:39:33.68\00:39:34.91
See when you
are in hypoglycemic,
00:39:34.92\00:39:35.96
they tell you to
snack, you need to snack
00:39:35.97\00:39:38.51
all the time to
keep your energy up,
00:39:38.52\00:39:40.00
but I said, I will
try, but I am not gonna
00:39:40.01\00:39:42.46
stop snacking. But within a week
00:39:42.47\00:39:44.87
I had stopped
snacking and I didn't
00:39:44.88\00:39:46.71
even realize it.
And my energy was more
00:39:46.72\00:39:50.62
stable through
the whole day then
00:39:50.63\00:39:52.36
I had ever
experienced. My body was
00:39:52.37\00:39:54.44
functioning so
much better than ever
00:39:54.45\00:39:56.60
before and I felt amazing well,
00:39:56.61\00:39:59.09
I can think clear and I was sold
00:39:59.10\00:40:01.85
and I have never gone back since
00:40:01.86\00:40:02.83
then and you know
the two week challenge
00:40:02.84\00:40:05.29
turned into six
years, six years or so
00:40:05.30\00:40:08.38
since that and the program just
00:40:08.39\00:40:12.85
made such a difference for me,
00:40:12.86\00:40:14.00
eating this way, it made such a
00:40:15.11\00:40:16.35
difference for me.
And so that started
00:40:16.36\00:40:20.11
me getting
interested well, what else does
00:40:20.12\00:40:22.66
the Bible teach,
because she showed me
00:40:22.67\00:40:24.93
this health
teachings from the Bible
00:40:24.94\00:40:27.06
and said, you know
this came from God.
00:40:27.07\00:40:30.16
He is the one who develop this.
00:40:30.17\00:40:32.57
And when I read
this scriptures I
00:40:33.30\00:40:37.31
was so impressed
that this was in there,
00:40:37.32\00:40:41.46
a book written two
thousands years before
00:40:41.47\00:40:44.16
the science could ever prove it,
00:40:44.17\00:40:45.54
described this
it's the optimal way
00:40:45.55\00:40:48.43
to eat, and
that to me was divine
00:40:48.44\00:40:50.90
inspiration and
that set the Bible apart
00:40:50.91\00:40:53.86
in my mind from a
lot of other holy books
00:40:53.87\00:40:56.94
out there and a
lot of either teaching,
00:40:56.95\00:40:58.93
even though I
had experienced you
00:40:58.94\00:41:01.55
know a lot of
those other culture and
00:41:01.62\00:41:03.07
religions and
nice people in them.
00:41:03.08\00:41:05.82
This to me said,
there was something
00:41:06.76\00:41:08.85
here in
Christianity, in the Bible and I
00:41:08.86\00:41:12.83
wanted to know what
else the Bible teaches.
00:41:12.84\00:41:14.31
It's very, very
interesting isn't it?
00:41:14.32\00:41:15.74
Yeah, it is. She
finds biblical principles.
00:41:15.75\00:41:19.17
Her mother draws
her attention to those,
00:41:19.18\00:41:23.17
then at the same time she looks
00:41:23.18\00:41:24.97
at these CHIP
principles which are build
00:41:24.98\00:41:27.38
really on
scientific principles, but
00:41:27.39\00:41:31.37
they also mesh very
well with the biblical
00:41:31.38\00:41:33.31
content and all
of a sudden the Bible
00:41:33.32\00:41:35.08
becomes a book that
is validated in your
00:41:35.09\00:41:37.99
scientific thinking
mind, isn't it? Yeah,
00:41:38.00\00:41:40.05
it was very, very
validated and they said,
00:41:40.06\00:41:44.25
scientific thinking
mind and that's what
00:41:44.26\00:41:46.08
I was. I, I'm an
analyst and I'm very science
00:41:46.09\00:41:50.73
driven, very
focused on numbers and
00:41:50.74\00:41:53.73
data or what
does the data say and
00:41:53.74\00:41:55.95
then if I apply it
does it actually work
00:41:55.96\00:41:58.71
and what was impressive here was
00:41:58.72\00:42:01.08
that the number
is validated and when
00:42:01.09\00:42:03.20
I applied it, it
actually worked. And
00:42:03.21\00:42:05.48
that said, there
is something here
00:42:05.49\00:42:08.69
that's different
and that's powerful
00:42:08.70\00:42:11.48
and it's effective.
So now you went deeper.
00:42:11.49\00:42:13.24
Right. What did
you do? Well, after
00:42:13.25\00:42:16.78
that I actually
started praying to God
00:42:16.79\00:42:20.49
about whether or
not the Sabbath Day
00:42:20.50\00:42:23.32
was important to
him. And we had been
00:42:23.33\00:42:26.85
talking for a
while now she was very
00:42:26.86\00:42:28.83
committed to
Sabbath continually and I
00:42:28.84\00:42:32.22
at first I was like
this is just too weird
00:42:32.23\00:42:35.14
like why would one
day the any different
00:42:35.15\00:42:38.31
then the other,
why does it matter
00:42:38.32\00:42:40.14
and you know
really Saturday, everyone
00:42:40.15\00:42:43.71
was going to church on Sunday
00:42:43.72\00:42:44.71
and what's the
difference and I started
00:42:44.72\00:42:48.50
praying, God if
you, I know you there,
00:42:48.51\00:42:51.62
I feel you're in
my life, I wasn't
00:42:51.63\00:42:53.34
really read in the Bible yet but
00:42:53.35\00:42:54.39
I know you are
there. If this is important
00:42:54.40\00:42:57.73
to you, you need to show me. Oh,
00:42:57.74\00:43:00.27
dangerous prayer.
You need to make it
00:43:00.28\00:43:01.75
personal to me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah,
00:43:01.76\00:43:03.30
you asked that
prayer He is on the line.
00:43:03.31\00:43:04.42
He was, he was,
so this car I went
00:43:04.43\00:43:09.35
back to get, it
was very old, rusty
00:43:09.36\00:43:17.25
and it was in
rough shape and I prayed
00:43:17.26\00:43:21.74
that God would
just keep that car
00:43:21.75\00:43:23.35
running until I
got it back home.
00:43:23.36\00:43:26.11
I was planning on
moving to California
00:43:26.12\00:43:27.98
after graduation I
said, I just need you
00:43:27.99\00:43:29.81
to get this car
through my college
00:43:29.82\00:43:32.67
education, till it
gets back to Illinois
00:43:32.68\00:43:34.75
and when I go to
California I will get
00:43:34.76\00:43:36.30
a new one. Isn't
that interesting?
00:43:36.31\00:43:37.72
A scientific
analytical mind. Yes. And all of
00:43:37.73\00:43:40.89
a sudden there is,
the faith is beginning
00:43:40.90\00:43:44.54
to sprout,
right, she talks to God
00:43:44.55\00:43:46.80
like he is some
kind of friend. Yeah.
00:43:46.81\00:43:49.78
That is there
right. Yeah. Interesting
00:43:49.79\00:43:51.91
development. Yeah,
you're developing a
00:43:51.92\00:43:54.61
relationship almost
under your own radar,
00:43:54.62\00:43:57.25
you know, yes, yeah,
this thing is growing
00:43:57.26\00:43:59.19
almost unbeknownst
you, because you're
00:43:59.20\00:44:01.32
focusing on okay
this works, this works,
00:44:01.33\00:44:02.82
this works, but
in the under girding
00:44:02.83\00:44:05.22
all of this is this
little God consciousness
00:44:05.23\00:44:07.04
that's beginning
to formulated in your
00:44:07.05\00:44:08.99
mind and in your
life. Yup, and so I prayed
00:44:09.00\00:44:11.66
that He would
keep that car running
00:44:11.67\00:44:12.82
until I got it
back to home, but when
00:44:12.83\00:44:17.50
I prayed this
prayer for Him to prove
00:44:17.51\00:44:19.45
to me the Sabbath
that it was important.
00:44:19.46\00:44:22.67
He just like He
trumped that other prayer
00:44:24.42\00:44:28.66
with this one, and
anytime I wanted go
00:44:28.67\00:44:32.88
out on Sabbath to go shopping,
00:44:32.89\00:44:34.50
to go to a
movie, to go to school
00:44:34.51\00:44:37.91
and work,
anything I wanted to do,
00:44:37.92\00:44:40.88
anytime I wanted to
do something on Sabbath
00:44:40.89\00:44:43.22
that wasn't really
keeing the Sabboth.
00:44:43.23\00:44:45.20
The car would stop
working. But the rest
00:44:45.21\00:44:49.77
of the week it was fine and if I
00:44:49.78\00:44:53.32
was doing something on Sabbath
00:44:53.33\00:44:54.47
like just go to a friend's house
00:44:54.48\00:44:55.91
to spend some time with them the
00:44:55.92\00:44:59.00
car would work,
but if I wanted to go
00:44:59.01\00:45:00.93
to the store it
would break down,
00:45:00.94\00:45:02.73
wow! And, so is
this only once or twice.
00:45:02.74\00:45:06.55
No, this was
over the course of a
00:45:06.56\00:45:08.71
whole year. Well,
this was consistent
00:45:08.72\00:45:11.13
that every time
I would want to do
00:45:11.14\00:45:14.83
something on
Sabbath, Friday night
00:45:14.84\00:45:16.26
or Saturday, go to
the store, go out to
00:45:16.27\00:45:20.16
a movie, the car would flood out
00:45:20.17\00:45:22.83
and it wouldn't
work. A Sabbath event,
00:45:22.84\00:45:25.41
praise the Lord.
Well, I took it to the shop.
00:45:25.42\00:45:28.98
I took the car
to the shop and it
00:45:30.43\00:45:33.40
had this gas
smell and after sometime
00:45:33.41\00:45:36.54
I took it to
the shop to find out
00:45:36.55\00:45:37.94
what was wrong and the guy
00:45:37.95\00:45:41.28
at the shop
said, I don't even know
00:45:41.29\00:45:43.03
how your car is
running. He said, how
00:45:43.04\00:45:45.99
about my old gas
tank which was rusted
00:45:46.00\00:45:48.52
horribly and these two pipes and
00:45:48.53\00:45:50.54
he said, you see
these two pipes coming out,
00:45:50.55\00:45:51.82
you see this one
it's broken off. He said,
00:45:51.83\00:45:55.13
your car
shouldn't even be running.
00:45:55.14\00:45:56.52
I don't know how
it's still running, but it
00:45:56.53\00:46:00.25
has been but
this is why you have
00:46:00.26\00:46:01.37
this gas smell.
You replace the tank
00:46:01.38\00:46:03.47
and you know that was that,
00:46:03.48\00:46:05.28
but God blessed that car to
00:46:05.29\00:46:08.23
keep running. Amen.
Except on the Sabbath
00:46:08.24\00:46:11.06
after I prayed for Him to reveal
00:46:11.07\00:46:13.44
the importance of
Sabbath. He used that
00:46:13.45\00:46:16.59
to show me. I mean if that would
00:46:16.60\00:46:19.14
have happened
once you would think
00:46:19.15\00:46:20.80
it's a coincidence right. It was
00:46:20.81\00:46:23.03
scientifically,
analytically oriented
00:46:23.04\00:46:24.78
mind and if he
finds it to happen
00:46:24.79\00:46:26.11
over and over and over again and
00:46:26.12\00:46:27.75
all of a sudden
there was a pattern
00:46:27.76\00:46:28.96
here right, so how
would you interpret
00:46:28.97\00:46:31.03
this, right. It was clear to me
00:46:31.04\00:46:32.92
what it was about
and I started committing
00:46:32.93\00:46:36.36
to keeping the
Sabbath, before I even
00:46:36.37\00:46:38.98
started going to church. Wow!
00:46:38.99\00:46:40.25
Are you filtering
any of this information
00:46:40.26\00:46:42.04
back to your mom, is she aware
00:46:42.05\00:46:43.54
of these thing that are going
00:46:43.55\00:46:44.63
on in your
life? You know I think
00:46:44.64\00:46:45.83
we were talking
more at this point.
00:46:45.84\00:46:47.53
I wasn't sharing
every detail with her
00:46:47.54\00:46:50.73
yet but I was
testing it out with you
00:46:50.74\00:46:55.23
know with God and it was just
00:46:55.24\00:46:56.73
mostly between
Him and I. Okay. This
00:46:56.74\00:46:58.21
was about my
relationship to Him,
00:46:58.22\00:47:00.53
not hers and so I
was interested and
00:47:00.54\00:47:04.27
I was gaining
interest. And when I moved
00:47:04.28\00:47:05.98
to California He
blessed me I mean
00:47:05.99\00:47:10.20
there were so
many miracles I can
00:47:10.21\00:47:11.43
tell you about how He has worked
00:47:11.44\00:47:12.89
in my life and
how He has provided
00:47:12.90\00:47:14.47
one step of the
way through challenges
00:47:14.48\00:47:16.85
and I know we don't have all day
00:47:16.86\00:47:18.75
but He gave me a place to live
00:47:18.76\00:47:21.54
with some amazing
Christian roommates
00:47:21.55\00:47:23.54
who I still live
with today and one
00:47:23.55\00:47:27.60
of them introduced me to church,
00:47:27.61\00:47:30.47
to going to
church. And that kind
00:47:30.48\00:47:34.27
of broke down a lot my barriers.
00:47:34.28\00:47:35.73
I had a lot of walls up still
00:47:35.74\00:47:37.25
about going to
church and she introduced
00:47:37.26\00:47:40.04
me to very young adults oriented
00:47:40.05\00:47:42.21
contemporaries
service and it was
00:47:42.22\00:47:44.01
what I used to,
it especially coming
00:47:44.02\00:47:46.29
out of theater
world, is very comfortable,
00:47:46.30\00:47:48.18
but after a month or two I just
00:47:48.19\00:47:50.37
felt like it
wasn't challenging me
00:47:50.38\00:47:52.39
in the world, it
wasn't helping me grow
00:47:52.40\00:47:55.53
and that's when I
stared looking for
00:47:55.54\00:47:56.83
Adventist
churches, because I said,
00:47:56.84\00:47:58.31
you know that's
what God has really
00:47:58.32\00:47:59.68
touch me through
the most at this point.
00:47:59.69\00:48:02.05
And so I started
going around the churches
00:48:02.06\00:48:05.55
and after that
fall I felt God call me
00:48:05.56\00:48:12.51
to a church in
Alhambra. Now I would live up
00:48:12.52\00:48:16.95
at near studio city in
California and Alhambra
00:48:16.96\00:48:19.80
was not close to me.
And my only connection
00:48:19.81\00:48:23.16
with Alhambra
was a guy that I had
00:48:23.17\00:48:25.93
kind of dated who
wasn't even a believer
00:48:25.94\00:48:27.88
and I thought
why would God call me
00:48:27.89\00:48:29.46
to a church where
he is and I didn't
00:48:29.47\00:48:32.63
want to go there
because the relationship
00:48:32.64\00:48:35.40
didn't workout,
and I didn't want to go
00:48:35.41\00:48:37.68
and have that
association. So I felt
00:48:37.69\00:48:42.22
this call but I was
resisting it, and then I
00:48:42.23\00:48:45.98
went to a young
adult New Year's gathering
00:48:45.99\00:48:48.78
at another church and I talked
00:48:48.79\00:48:52.41
with one of the
girls there, and she asked
00:48:52.42\00:48:54.71
me what I was
looking for in churches
00:48:54.72\00:48:56.02
and I wanted a
really good Pastor
00:48:56.03\00:48:57.30
and you know I need, I want
00:48:57.31\00:48:59.39
someone who can really teach me
00:48:59.40\00:49:00.58
what the Bible
teaches. And she said,
00:49:00.59\00:49:04.33
I totally understand
she said, I know just the
00:49:04.34\00:49:06.11
church you need
to go to and I know
00:49:06.12\00:49:08.03
just the Pastor
you need to hear and
00:49:08.04\00:49:10.27
she preaches at
the church at Alhambra.
00:49:10.28\00:49:13.21
And I thought she first off that
00:49:14.19\00:49:16.82
was weird me, well
this is Pastor Elizabeth
00:49:16.83\00:49:19.43
Tabot who was on
voice of prophecy
00:49:19.44\00:49:21.37
now and she was
the head Pastor there
00:49:21.70\00:49:23.54
now and she was
the at that time.
00:49:23.83\00:49:24.80
And that Alhambra I
was sort of shocked,
00:49:24.81\00:49:28.53
because I had felt
this call to a church
00:49:28.54\00:49:31.23
in Alhambra. Wow!
And I went and the
00:49:31.24\00:49:36.04
sermons spoke right
to me and broke down
00:49:36.05\00:49:39.25
every barrier
that I had and about 3,
00:49:39.26\00:49:42.86
4 weeks after I was
there, this girl from
00:49:42.87\00:49:46.09
my church in the
fellowship hall and
00:49:46.10\00:49:48.46
walking by, she
reached out to me
00:49:48.47\00:49:50.12
and said, Wendy,
Wendy come here, I'm like,
00:49:50.13\00:49:52.40
hey, I don't
even know you but you
00:49:53.58\00:49:55.53
know me. And she
said, I have to tell
00:49:55.54\00:49:58.04
you something, I
have to tell you,
00:49:58.05\00:49:59.97
come here. I'm
like what does this lady
00:49:59.98\00:50:02.75
have to tell me.
I was very nervous
00:50:02.76\00:50:05.94
but like okay,
God's working in my life,
00:50:05.95\00:50:08.64
I'm gonna come sit
down. And she says,
00:50:08.65\00:50:12.00
you are an answer to my prayers,
00:50:12.01\00:50:15.71
and I'm like what do you mean?
00:50:17.46\00:50:18.43
I'm sitting there
with this odd look,
00:50:18.44\00:50:20.44
I don't even
know how to respond to
00:50:20.45\00:50:21.84
that, I'm just
new to the church.
00:50:21.85\00:50:22.95
How can I be a answer
to somebody's prayers?
00:50:22.96\00:50:25.20
She said, we've
been praying for somebody
00:50:25.21\00:50:27.13
to do the health message here.
00:50:27.14\00:50:28.52
She said, I have
been praying since
00:50:28.53\00:50:29.69
last fall for
someone to do the prayer,
00:50:29.70\00:50:31.76
the health
message here. And I knew
00:50:31.77\00:50:33.88
in that moment
that she was telling me
00:50:33.89\00:50:35.88
the truth
because that was exactly
00:50:35.89\00:50:37.50
when I felt
called to that church,
00:50:37.51\00:50:39.97
and so God at this point, was
00:50:39.98\00:50:45.28
very real to me.
There was no question
00:50:45.29\00:50:47.11
that He hears
prayers and that He answers
00:50:47.12\00:50:49.21
prayers and that
He really is there.
00:50:49.22\00:50:51.56
This book is not
just the book about
00:50:51.57\00:50:54.43
you know nothing.
There really is a higher
00:50:54.44\00:50:58.21
power here because
there is no possible
00:50:58.22\00:51:00.50
way that this lady could have
00:51:00.51\00:51:03.81
known that I felt
called to this church
00:51:03.82\00:51:05.88
at the same
time she was praying.
00:51:05.89\00:51:07.12
Wow! Now I was
planning on leading
00:51:07.13\00:51:09.37
a health ministry at this point.
00:51:09.38\00:51:11.46
I wasn't, I
didn't want my membership
00:51:11.47\00:51:13.62
with the church. I
didn't want anything
00:51:13.63\00:51:15.79
you know I
wasn't ready for that.
00:51:15.80\00:51:17.96
Well, you're
becoming a tough nut yeah.
00:51:17.97\00:51:19.69
I was very
resisted, very resisted.
00:51:19.70\00:51:24.09
But God is, He
works hard, He knows
00:51:24.10\00:51:27.22
what we need, but
I went to the CHIP
00:51:27.23\00:51:28.98
summit the following
fall. That's a national
00:51:28.99\00:51:31.86
conference where
we train CHIP people
00:51:31.87\00:51:34.47
and you came to that
CHIP conference right.
00:51:34.48\00:51:37.32
Yup. You were
certified as a trainer and
00:51:37.33\00:51:40.22
you actually assumed
responsibilities in that
00:51:40.23\00:51:43.29
church as the
health ministries director
00:51:43.30\00:51:46.78
and you're opting to
offer the CHIP program,
00:51:46.79\00:51:49.89
is that right?
Well, what happened?
00:51:49.90\00:51:51.48
I actually went to
the summit, because
00:51:51.49\00:51:55.01
I kind of wanted
to debunk this church
00:51:55.02\00:51:58.95
in this CHIP
program. I was still a
00:51:58.96\00:52:01.28
skeptic and, so
you're still kind of
00:52:01.29\00:52:03.10
pulled a pin from
under. She was going
00:52:03.11\00:52:05.73
to the summit
and I thought I got
00:52:05.74\00:52:09.17
to see what's
behind this curtain
00:52:09.18\00:52:10.69
because what in
front of the curtain
00:52:10.70\00:52:12.86
looks great but
once that curtain opens,
00:52:12.87\00:52:14.78
once I get behind this scenes,
00:52:14.79\00:52:16.54
what are they really
teaching their people?
00:52:16.55\00:52:19.36
It's like mother
like daughter, isn't it?
00:52:19.37\00:52:21.80
Yeah, very much. You
had the same skeptical
00:52:21.81\00:52:24.43
mind too. Right.
Yes, yes. Very analytical,
00:52:24.44\00:52:26.69
there must be something there,
00:52:26.70\00:52:28.43
so now you're
looking behind the curtain,
00:52:28.44\00:52:30.81
what happens?
So I came expecting
00:52:30.82\00:52:34.75
to see them
teaching their directors
00:52:34.76\00:52:37.14
to be manipulative and you know,
00:52:37.15\00:52:39.47
these kinds of
things and they were
00:52:39.48\00:52:42.13
gonna be all rich
and you know all about
00:52:42.14\00:52:45.97
that and just
this was just another
00:52:45.98\00:52:47.72
greedy way to get money that was
00:52:47.73\00:52:49.20
basically what
I thought and when
00:52:49.21\00:52:51.19
I went I was just
blown away because
00:52:51.20\00:52:54.68
the people were so
real, so down to earth.
00:52:54.69\00:52:59.04
Praise God. So
selfless. Praise the Lord.
00:52:59.05\00:53:02.31
In their work and
they did it because
00:53:02.32\00:53:05.04
they believed in
it, and it was just so
00:53:05.05\00:53:10.12
amazing to meet
people who really
00:53:10.13\00:53:12.55
genuinely cared
and not just 2 or 3
00:53:12.56\00:53:16.25
or 5 or 10. There
was 200, 300 people there
00:53:16.26\00:53:19.99
who all had this
same level of commitment
00:53:20.00\00:53:24.82
to this work and
to a work that was
00:53:24.83\00:53:29.24
actually helping
people, actually making
00:53:29.25\00:53:31.91
a difference in
people's lives and I was
00:53:31.92\00:53:34.56
just so impressed
by that, that. And saw
00:53:34.57\00:53:37.67
the results of some
20 scientific papers
00:53:37.68\00:53:41.26
published in medical
journals that appeared
00:53:41.27\00:53:43.47
to a scientific analytical mind.
00:53:43.48\00:53:45.66
Exactly. I was
amazed at the speakers over
00:53:45.67\00:53:47.48
there. I thought
wow, a church who values
00:53:47.49\00:53:50.75
this kind of
scientific research and who
00:53:50.76\00:53:53.76
is not of afraid of
it. Because I had grown
00:53:53.77\00:53:55.46
up in the world
where science and
00:53:55.47\00:53:56.74
Christianity could
not co-exist and when
00:53:56.75\00:54:00.07
they did, things
really didn't line up.
00:54:00.08\00:54:03.39
People were
trying to put them in but
00:54:03.40\00:54:05.92
their logic wasn't
there and I'm very logic
00:54:05.93\00:54:10.42
oriented, it's
just that I can't,
00:54:10.43\00:54:12.20
I can't do logical things and.
00:54:12.21\00:54:13.95
It was matching
up. Here it matched,
00:54:13.96\00:54:16.69
it matched up,
everything came together
00:54:16.70\00:54:18.70
and the two just
coincided and there was
00:54:18.71\00:54:23.54
compassion in it as
well. There was a care
00:54:23.55\00:54:26.16
for people. Wendy,
our time is slipping by,
00:54:26.17\00:54:27.35
we got to move
you a long a little
00:54:27.36\00:54:28.55
bit because
obviously it all came together
00:54:28.56\00:54:33.02
for you. Science
and faith meshed and you
00:54:33.03\00:54:36.48
became a member of
the Adventist Church
00:54:36.49\00:54:38.39
and now you're a
CHIP leader. Correct.
00:54:38.40\00:54:40.30
So this is real and
it works. Good doctor,
00:54:40.31\00:54:44.20
I want to get
your address roll up,
00:54:44.21\00:54:46.14
your information
up, because there maybe
00:54:46.15\00:54:48.38
those of you who
will want to make contact
00:54:48.39\00:54:50.88
with Dr. Hans,
you've seen what CHIP has
00:54:50.89\00:54:53.44
done in the minds
of two very skeptical
00:54:53.45\00:54:57.17
people who are now
true believers and are
00:54:57.18\00:54:59.09
promoting this. You may want
00:54:59.10\00:55:00.93
this in your
life; the weight loss,
00:55:00.94\00:55:02.88
the health, the
spiritual realities,
00:55:02.89\00:55:06.71
all of this
comes when CHIP comes
00:55:06.72\00:55:09.55
into your life.
Should you want to contact
00:55:09.56\00:55:11.03
Dr. Hans Diehl.
Find out more about CHIP,
00:55:11.04\00:55:13.27
here is how you
can do preciously that.
00:55:13.28\00:55:15.04
If you would
like to find out more
00:55:17.12\00:55:18.70
information about
the CHIP program and how
00:55:18.71\00:55:21.27
you can bring CHIP to your area,
00:55:21.28\00:55:23.12
write to Lifestyle
Medicine Institute,
00:55:23.13\00:55:26.50
PO Office Box 818,
Loma Linda, California,
00:55:26.51\00:55:30.57
92354. That's
Lifestyle Medicine Institute,
00:55:30.58\00:55:35.49
PO Office Box 818, Loma Linda,
00:55:35.50\00:55:39.70
California, 92354.
Or visit their website
00:55:39.71\00:55:44.57
at www.CHIPhealth.org,
that's one word spell
00:55:44.58\00:55:49.83
this way CHIPhealth.org.
Be sure you contact
00:55:49.84\00:55:58.61
them today. They
would love to hear from you.
00:55:58.62\00:56:01.24
Now you will note
that we didn't ask
00:56:03.27\00:56:05.12
for a lot of
questions this particular time
00:56:05.13\00:56:07.22
and we structured
it this way because
00:56:07.23\00:56:09.19
we wanted you
really to hear these
00:56:09.20\00:56:10.83
personal
testimonies, more than a lot
00:56:10.84\00:56:12.97
of scientific
reports from doctors,
00:56:12.98\00:56:15.18
which we do
sometimes well we want
00:56:15.19\00:56:16.49
you to hear real
people who've had a real
00:56:16.50\00:56:18.89
experience with
CHIP and with the Lord
00:56:18.90\00:56:20.43
and we wanted spend
some time with mother
00:56:20.44\00:56:22.28
and daughter and
get you to understand
00:56:22.29\00:56:24.81
that this is a real
thing that brings real
00:56:24.82\00:56:26.79
benefits in
your particular life.
00:56:26.80\00:56:29.08
CHIP is a very
real thing and if you've
00:56:29.09\00:56:32.30
got the kinds of
problems that you've
00:56:32.31\00:56:33.74
seen here, CHIP
can correct those.
00:56:33.75\00:56:36.21
Good doctor, in
the last few minutes
00:56:36.22\00:56:37.93
just give us a word
to have encouragement.
00:56:37.94\00:56:39.59
It's a real
privilege for me to see
00:56:40.98\00:56:43.84
here two
skeptical people, who come
00:56:43.85\00:56:47.24
into our world,
fifty thousand graduates
00:56:47.25\00:56:50.27
who have learned that health is
00:56:50.28\00:56:52.41
largely a matter
of choice, not chance,
00:56:52.42\00:56:56.51
I mean people
become understanding
00:56:56.52\00:56:59.30
that they can
make a contribution
00:56:59.31\00:57:01.51
to own health
and take it seriously
00:57:01.52\00:57:03.74
then the same thing can happen,
00:57:03.75\00:57:05.66
it happened to you and to your
00:57:05.67\00:57:07.02
husband. You
lost some 138 pounds,
00:57:07.03\00:57:10.16
two of you. You lost 1
percent of your family,
00:57:10.17\00:57:12.77
your husband is
off his medication,
00:57:12.78\00:57:14.65
you have a daughter who is doing
00:57:14.66\00:57:16.28
very, very well,
very carrier successful
00:57:16.29\00:57:19.26
and she lives a balanced life,
00:57:19.27\00:57:21.82
I mean what else can they really
00:57:21.83\00:57:23.58
want in life, to balance health,
00:57:23.59\00:57:25.80
happiness and meaning and then
00:57:25.81\00:57:28.31
you see you know look at this.
00:57:28.32\00:57:29.76
Yeah. I mean that's the reward.
00:57:29.77\00:57:31.86
That's the
reward. Wendy, just really
00:57:31.87\00:57:33.88
quick what are
you doing now because
00:57:33.89\00:57:34.87
I know you sort of moved out
00:57:34.88\00:57:35.92
of the arts into
the another field,
00:57:35.93\00:57:37.07
what are doing? I
work as a business
00:57:37.08\00:57:39.20
analyst and it's
a home entertainment
00:57:39.21\00:57:41.74
company and a lot of
DVD, media production
00:57:41.75\00:57:45.22
kind of stuff
and you know I just,
00:57:45.23\00:57:47.62
I feel very
blessed that God actually
00:57:47.63\00:57:49.83
allowed me to keep the Sabbath
00:57:49.84\00:57:51.90
and that's a commitment I made
00:57:51.91\00:57:54.06
at work and it's very good.
00:57:54.07\00:57:56.75
Praise God. Still
analyzing. Yes. Well,
00:57:56.76\00:57:59.64
our time has fast
slipped into eternity.
00:57:59.65\00:58:01.08
Allow me now in closing to wish
00:58:01.09\00:58:02.93
you both grace and peace through
00:58:02.94\00:58:04.97
our Lord and
Savior Jesus Christ.
00:58:04.98\00:58:06.00
We will see again soon.
00:58:06.01\00:58:06.98
Bye, bye and God bless.
00:58:06.99\00:58:07.97