Hi, I'm Shelley Quinn,
and this is Mollie Steenson,
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and welcome to the
second hour of 3ABN Live.
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And if you miss that first hour,
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the reruns of this,
because-- Or get the DVD.
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Or get the DVD,
because we have with us
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as our special guest
tonight, Heather Dawn Small,
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who is the director
of Women's ministries
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for the General Conference
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of the
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
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And we are talking
about various life issues
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that impact our spiritual life,
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and we just were
hearing Heather Dawn' testimony
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of her own depression.
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And we're gonna
come back to that,
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'cause I want you
to pick up on that.
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We're getting
some questions here,
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but this is a live program,
and I want to make certain
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that we give you the opportunity
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to send in your questions,
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if you want to ask
anything about women's issues,
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or life issues that are
impacting your spiritual life.
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You can send your
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The free offer is
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So if any of you are
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And actually before we get back
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into the finishing thought there
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and get to some
of these questions.
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We have Emily Felts
Jones with us tonight,
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and as she was singing earlier.
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Emily, we know her personally,
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and she is what you
see is what you get.
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This woman really
loves the Lord. Yes.
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She is a
precious Christian woman
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and has a beautiful voice
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that God has
gifted with, her with.
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And she is going to sing,
I know who holds tomorrow.
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A song that brings
a lot of hope. Yes.
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I don't know about tomorrow
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I just live from day to day
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And I don't
borrow from it's sunshine
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For it's skies may turn to grey
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I don't worry about the future
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For I know what Jesus said
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So today I'll walk beside Him
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For He knows what lies ahead
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Many things about tomorrow
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I don't need to understand
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For I know who holds tomorrow
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And I know who holds my hand
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I don't know about tomorrow
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It may bring me poverty
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But the one who
feeds the sparrow
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Is the one who stands by me
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And the path that is my portion
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May be through
the flame or flood
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But His presence goes before me
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And I'm covered in His blood
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Many things about tomorrow
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I don't need to understand
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For I know who holds tomorrow
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And I know who holds my hand
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He leadeth me, He leadeth me
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By His own hand He leadeth me
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And His faithful
follower I would be
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For by His hand He leadeth me
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Many things about tomorrow
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I just don't need to understand
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For I know who holds tomorrow
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And I know who holds my hand
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Thank you Emily. You
know, there is a message of hope
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in that song,
because a lot of times
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we don't know what's
going to happen tomorrow.
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Actually we shouldn't
even be concerned about that.
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Every day, Jesus said, it
has enough troubles of its own.
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It's true. But we
know, who holds tomorrow.
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We know who holds us
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in his
everlasting arms beneath us.
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Again this is a live program.
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You can send us your
questions at live@3abn.org,
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or call us at (618) 627-4651.
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And we have some questions
that we want to get to.
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Heather Dawn, this one is.
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Thank you so much
for your testimony,
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your honesty in a
breath of fresh air.
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Thank you, Jesus.
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Can you please share the ladder
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that helped you
climb up out of the lives
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and up and into the Lord?
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Well, there are number of
different answers for that one,
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but I'll start first with.
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I had to deal with my
depression first. Okay.
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When I was in that pit,
I had to deal with that.
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And so once I got
on the medication,
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and I got on the
right one, because sometimes
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you go through a
few different ones
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before you find the one
that really works for you.
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Then my life began
to sort of balance out.
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As that began to happen, I
began to get into the word more.
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And it was in studying the
word myself that the things
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that I've been told about
grieving, and about sickness.
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As I read the word of God,
I realized that's not true.
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Amen. That's not true.
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God does not expect us to just
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go through a
hardship and then move on,
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as though nothing happened.
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Sometimes it's a
lifetime of healing.
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But I will tell you
what that did for me.
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That I could talk
about my son's death.
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And I could talk about my son.
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And even though I miss my son,
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I don't live with
that loss everyday.
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And there're
people that I have met
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who have lost children
sometimes years before,
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who as they even mention
it, it's like they're just going
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through the whole
experience all over again.
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And God took that from me.
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But don't you think that people
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who have that much
emotion still attached,
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that they really haven't been
through the healing process.
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They haven't, they
haven't. That's how I look at.
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And that healing process to me
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has to be connected
to something spiritual.
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Amen. It has to
be connected to God.
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You know, you go
back here to Isaiah 61,
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where it says, what does it say
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that He does to them,
He heals the broken heart.
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But He is just
like with your sin,
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He forgives all your sins,
but what is the prerequisite
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to him forgiving your sins.
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You confess your sins,
you bring those sins to Him.
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You've got a broken heart,
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you bring it to Him, and
He heals it. That's right.
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But if you hold
it back from Him,
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then you're stifling
God's ability to cure.
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And that's just what
Satan wants us to do.
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Right. He wants us to hold back.
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He wants us to feel and to think
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that God is the
cause of our problems.
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And it's because of God,
because He could have stopped,
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and He didn't stop it.
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And you know, I
tell people this,
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and I know this
may seem very strange.
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But the death of my
son was the best thing
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that happened in my life.
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People don't understand
what I mean when I say that,
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and so I say to them.
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My son's death
gave me salvation.
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It brought you into a personal
relationship with the Lord.
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Because when I went
through that difficult time,
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and I question
God. And I said to God,
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how could you do this to me.
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Bad things aren't supposed
to happen to good people.
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They're supposed to
happen to bad people.
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I've tried to be
a good Christian.
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I've paid my tithe. I've done
all this work in the church.
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How could you let
this happened to me?
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And God showed me that because
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we live in a sinful world,
bad things happen to everyone.
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That's right.
Including His Son. Amen.
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That's when He came
to this earth. Amen.
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And you see as
God ministered to me,
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and so I tell people that
event, when I see my son again,
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I'm just going to be
wrapping him in my arms,
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and say, honey, you
don't know, what you have done.
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What you did for your parents,
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because you turned us
in the direction of God.
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Where as we were at
that time nominal Christians.
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We went to
church. We paid our tithe.
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We did the things
that everybody did.
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You were pastor or pastor's wife
you were nominal Christians.
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We did whatever we
were supposed to do,
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but we were not Christians,
we were Seventh-day Adventists.
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There you go. And
there's a huge difference
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between a Seventh-day Adventist
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and a Seventh-day
Adventist Christian.
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That's true. It's just
like there is a huge difference
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between a Baptist
and a Baptist Christian.
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That's right, that's
right. There is some...
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And there is no relationship,
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that personal
relationship with God,
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and that was the time
that God introduced me
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to John 15:1 to 7. Amen.
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I'm the vine, and I
realized my connectedness
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that I needed to be connected
with God on a daily basis.
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And through the
depression though.
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I'm in John right now,
I'm going to read that.
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Okay. John 15, 1
through 7, you said.
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Yes, beautiful passage.
I think it's worth reading.
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"I am the vine, and my
Father is the husbandman.
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Every branch in me that beareth
not fruit he taketh away,
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and every branch
that beareth fruit,
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he purgeth it,"
that it may do what?
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Bring forth more
fruit. That's right.
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"Now you are
clean through the word
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which I have spoken unto you.
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Abide in me, and I in you.
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As the branch cannot
bear fruit of itself,
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except it abide in the vine,
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no more can you,"
except you to do what?
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You abide in me. That's right.
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Apart from me,
you can do nothing.
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You can do nothing.
You could do nothing.
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And you know,
there's a word that--
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Apart from me you can't heal.
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That's right.
There's a word there,
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that word purge, I
don't know in the context
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in this culture, but in
the culture that I came from.
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When we were kids
growing up back in the islands,
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and it was summer time,
or it was Christmas time.
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You know, Christmas time,
kids eat all kinds of stuff.
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I mean we stuff
ourselves with all the sweets
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and all the cake, and everything
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and then summer
time, we do the same thing.
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And just before school
time, mom would call us
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the Sunday before
school, I hated it.
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And she said, today is
the day that I'm gonna,
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each of you is
gonna get a purge.
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What was it a castor oil?
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It was either
castor oil or Epsom salts.
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In there was a
center pot, oh my word,
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that thing tasted so badly,
and we would just hate it,
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but it would run
through our system,
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I mean now we know that
stuff really was very good.
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But in those
days parents thought
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they were doing something good.
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And it was the worst feeling,
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your stomach
would hurt you so badly.
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But when I say that word purge,
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I understand because
there are things in us
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that God has to
be purge out. Right.
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That have, that will not go,
unless it's something drastic
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that happens that
causes us to rethink.
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But you know,
what I was thinking
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is to answer this question.
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When they said,
what was the ladder
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that helped you come back.
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To me the
purging was the Cathodic,
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when you're honest
with God. Yes, yes.
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So you said, you
were a nominal Christian,
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and you were good
at verbal camouflage,
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you were, she
sounds like she was like
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a lot of people in a
lot of different churches,
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that but you had
this anger in you,
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and it was when it came out,
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and you were
honest with yourself
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and honest with God.
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And He is big enough to take it,
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that then what I love though is
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you didn't just
scream and shout at God.
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You said, all right God,
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you've heard me
now, I'll listen to you.
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Because I wanted
to know his case.
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So you went back into the Bible,
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because I believe
with all of my heart
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that there is transforming
power in the word of God.
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There is healing
power in the word of God.
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And, but you got
to be at that place
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where you can read it honestly.
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Here is something,
where was that one, here. I--
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If you're looking for that
one, let me read this. Okay.
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It says, I have
a disabling illness
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which includes chronic
severe clinical depression,
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and I have been
disabled since 1998.
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And over the past year,
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the Lord has been
healing me with His word.
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Amen. God send His
word and He healed us,
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thank God for the
power that's in His word.
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Today I'm a
totally happy person. Amen.
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Even though my depression
has not healed completely.
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I just wanted to share
that word of encouragement
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with all of those who are
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experiencing
clinical depression.
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I would like for you to
share a couple of scriptures
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and I have the
scriptures here to share.
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The first one was John
8:11, and it's the woman
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thought that was taken in
adultery and John 8:11 says,
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"She said, No man,
Lord. And Jesus said unto her,
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Neither do I condemn
thee, go, and sin no more."
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So the Lord
isn't condemning her.
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And the other
scripture that he wanted us
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to share was
Psalms 107 verse 20.
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"He sent His
word and healed them,
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and delivered them
from their destructions."
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Those are two
words, or two scriptures
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that are very encouraging
if you are in a difficult time.
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So I want to thank the person
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that sent this in
very much for sending
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those words of encouragement.
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If we didn't do this program
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for anyone else
tonight, except Carmen.
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We did this program for Carmen.
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Carmen has
written in and doesn't say
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where she is from.
I've lost four children,
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the first one
about 47 years ago,
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the last one
about six years ago,
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three boys and a girl.
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After she died, I was
in and out of the church.
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I was so angry with God,
I did not look at my Bible.
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My second was 13.
I accepted the Lord,
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I asked the Lord,
why me? I love them all.
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I gave it all to
Him, my pain, my sorrow.
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I do Bible study,
I've lot of books,
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but there is
something wrong with me.
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I have a normal
life, I'm 78-years-old,
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I had cancer, but
I had a good life.
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The Lord blessed me abundantly.
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I gave my children to
Him, but I want to know,
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I think I'm in
peace, but he told me,
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don't let the
death of your children
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come between me and what
you want me to do for you.
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So basically what
she is asking in here is,
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I gave it to
him, but I miss him.
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I'm not in control.
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My question is, am I in
denial? What's wrong with me?
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Let me tell you
what God did for me.
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When I began to work
at the General Conference,
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and I began to travel the world.
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It was very difficult
for me to leave my family,
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and go thousands of miles away.
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Sometimes into
countries that I knew
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were not completely safe.
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My family knew that
too. When you loose a child,
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there's a protective
issue that comes up with you,
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that you just
kind of want to hold on
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to what you have there.
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Whether it's your
child or your spouse,
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or whatever it is. I
would worry about my family
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when I would travel.
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I would be aware and send Lord
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I mean I would spent
time on my knees praying,
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please be with my children,
please protect my children,
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please keep my
children, until one day,
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the Lord confronted
me while I was praying,
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and said to me, "let them go."
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That was the hardest
thing God ever asked me to do.
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But I had to get to the point
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in my relationship with
God, where I said to Him,
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Lord I don't know what's
going to happen with these kids,
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or my husband. I've
left them in your care.
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But I'm going to do
what you've called me to do,
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which is to go out
there, and talk to my sisters,
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to encourage
them, to teach them.
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But if anything
should happen to my children.
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If anything should
happen to my children,
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I will still love you. Amen.
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God had to be
first in my life. Right.
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Even above my children.
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And that for me was
the ultimate sacrifice,
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that there was nothing,
not the memory of my children,
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not the pain of my son's death,
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not my children who I have now,
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my two children,
nothing was going to stop me
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from doing what God wanted.
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And I was not
going to spend my time
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worrying about
what I could not fix.
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Amen. Or handle,
or do anything about.
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And when I did
that, God gave me a peace.
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Amen. That even
if, and I could say
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this with all my heart.
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I would grieve if one of
my children were to die again.
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I would cry and I
know I would fall apart,
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because now I know how to grief.
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But I would not
turn my back on God.
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Right. Amen. Because He
and I've dealt with that issue.
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Amen. He is first,
and I wanted to say
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to my sister who
wrote this, make God first.
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Right. Amen. Make God first.
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He is the lover
of my life. Amen.
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He is my soul salvation.
He is everything to me.
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He means more to me
even than my husband
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of 31 years that I
love with my last breathe,
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but he doesn't mean
more to me than God.
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Amen. Neither do my children
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that I carried for nine months,
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and I brought
up all these years.
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God is first. Amen.
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And I think once we get to
that point in our relationship,
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and we make that
difficult decision,
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because I meet many mothers
all the time who tell me.
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But my children
means so much to me.
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I said they can't
mean more to you than God.
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They cannot mean
more to you than God.
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And that is, that is
something I went through
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that experience last
September with my husband,
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and I don't, I'm not
gonna take time to go
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into that right
now, because we got
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so many good questions.
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I want to read this from Lisa.
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Lisa is a Muslim who is watching
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from around
the-- somewhere other,
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in the other part of the world.
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The word said,
Heather Dawn, saying
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really touched my
heart, the word she said
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are so true and
reaches all religions,
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because I'm a
Muslim, I feel the pain,
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and I wish I could do more.
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I was just flipping
through the channels,
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usually I'm
sleeping this time at night,
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but something
told me to watch this.
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I appreciate her
words of wisdom and honesty,
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because I've lost a child too.
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It's still an emotional
thing that is going on.
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It's something that
people really need to hear.
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Amen. Heather Dawn, here Nora,
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is asking how do we get over
bitterness from being abused?
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You know, I've never had
the experience of being abused.
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I'm saying that, and I'm
saying, no that's not true.
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I have had the
experience of growing up
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and being verbally abused,
but not physically abused.
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The bitterness is something
that we have got to give to God.
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And when I say, give it to God.
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I don't mean just say here Lord,
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take my bitterness and heal me.
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I mean actually
presented to him and say why?
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You see those are the
questions we have to ask God.
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We have got to be real with God,
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and this is what I
tell people all the time.
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We grow up learning
that when we approach
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the presence of God,
because He is the holy God,
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we can only say
certain things to Him.
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Almighty Father, we say this,
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we say this, we say the other.
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But I can't really
say how I really feel.
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And until we understand
that God wants to know
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how you really
feel, He knows it.
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But He wants to hear you say it,
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because when you say it, you
see really what your state is,
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number one, and
then you get it out,
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which was what we
were saying earlier.
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It's the way of releasing that.
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And until we get to the point
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where I can present
that to God, and say Lord,
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I was a child, how could
you have let this happen to me.
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I had no one to protect me.
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I'm so upset with
you God for standing by
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and letting this happen to me.
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Tell me something, talk to me.
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And I tell people all the time,
God talks through His word.
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Right. Amen. You see that day
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when I had
finished screaming at God,
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and I turned to His word.
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I didn't turn to
His word for comfort,
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because I didn't think I
would find any comfort here.
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That's why I
stopped reading the Bible.
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I didn't turned to His word,
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because I thought
something would pop out
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of the page that would
certainly strike my heart,
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and I'd say, oh, thank you Lord,
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that was a
wonderful passage, some verse.
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I turn to God,
because my thing was,
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God speaks through His word.
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So there must be
something in this Bible
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that is going to be
His testimony for Himself.
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What does He have
to say for Himself,
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speak or tell me something.
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And in the process of looking
for that piece of scripture
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that would excuse Him,
because I thought He's God,
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He's gonna have to find someway
to excuse to me what He did.
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What He allowed
to happen in my life.
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In the process of doing that,
the words that I was reading,
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trying to find
that piece of scripture
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was beginning
to work in my life.
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Because the words are powerful.
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I didn't even know it. Amen.
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And so I'm
gonna say to my sister
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who is bitter, who may be angry.
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You turn to the word of God.
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You read the word
of God. You ask God.
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You show me in Your word,
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that you are just
unfair, unkind, unloving.
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I want to read it for
myself. He will show you.
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I wonder in that
too, she the bitterness.
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Could that bitterness
be directed at the person
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that was the abuser.
And so I'm thinking here,
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she needs to forgive that
person and that sounds so easy,
00:23:51.76\00:23:54.86
well, I just forgive
them, that's a hard thing
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to forgive
someone that has abused.
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Especially when you
don't want to do it.
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And you don't want to,
but I've been through that,
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not on, not from being
abused, may be in this sense,
00:24:03.49\00:24:09.72
but in another
sense and I would everyday
00:24:09.73\00:24:14.50
go before the Lord for
a long time, and say Lord,
00:24:14.51\00:24:18.88
I don't want to
forgive these people.
00:24:18.89\00:24:21.69
It's not in my heart
to forgive these people.
00:24:21.70\00:24:24.08
I really want you
to ride out of heaven
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and hid them in the heap with
the big boulder, boulder like.
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Boulder like, no. That's
why now just deal with them.
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That's really
what's in my heart.
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But Father, I know
that if I hold on to this
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it's like being scandalon.
You know what scandalon is.
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Its being
offended and great peace
00:24:38.31\00:24:44.20
have they let their love,
and nothing shall offend them
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and to be scandalon
its like having your hand
00:24:47.54\00:24:49.94
caught in a monkey trap,
you know what a monkey trap is,
00:24:49.95\00:24:54.59
that's where they
put a cookie in a trap,
00:24:54.60\00:24:58.09
and the monkey
sticks his hand in
00:24:58.10\00:24:59.87
and it takes hold of the cookie,
00:24:59.88\00:25:01.61
and then he's
caught in the trap,
00:25:01.62\00:25:03.71
that's what being offended is.
00:25:03.72\00:25:06.02
That's what this
bitterness is doing,
00:25:06.03\00:25:08.17
its holding you like that
monkey trap holds that monkey,
00:25:08.18\00:25:12.38
until you turn it loose,
you'll never get free from.
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Amen. And so I would
go before the Father,
00:25:15.71\00:25:17.90
because I knew that O Father,
I don't want to forgive them,
00:25:17.91\00:25:21.38
but if You will put
Your forgiveness in my heart.
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Then I can forgive
them not in my ability,
00:25:24.63\00:25:28.69
but in your ability.
Father, I don't want to,
00:25:28.70\00:25:31.59
if I'm willing, and if
you will put it in my heart,
00:25:31.60\00:25:36.30
then I will do it, but
it will only be through you,
00:25:36.31\00:25:38.66
and you know the Lord honored
that and blessed that. Amen.
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I had to, I had to
face a certain situation
00:25:41.60\00:25:46.20
almost everyday, and you know,
00:25:46.21\00:25:48.79
when you hear somebody's
name, or you see something
00:25:48.80\00:25:51.54
and you get that,
you realize you're not
00:25:51.55\00:25:53.96
that its still got to
hold, you're still scandalon,
00:25:53.97\00:25:58.53
you're still cutting that
trap, until one day I realized
00:25:58.54\00:26:02.41
I don't have
those feelings any more,
00:26:02.42\00:26:04.47
and it wasn't in
my great ability,
00:26:04.48\00:26:06.68
but I asked God to put
00:26:06.69\00:26:08.07
His forgiveness in my
heart for these people.
00:26:08.08\00:26:10.48
And honey, I'm
assuming it's a woman,
00:26:10.49\00:26:13.41
if you've been
abused, you ask the Father
00:26:13.42\00:26:16.09
to put His
forgiveness in your heart
00:26:16.10\00:26:17.80
for that person and you can
turn loose of that bitterness,
00:26:17.81\00:26:21.02
and you can be set free
of it. That's right. Amen.
00:26:21.03\00:26:24.10
We have so many and
again this is a live program,
00:26:24.11\00:26:28.36
and you can call
your questions into us
00:26:28.37\00:26:31.37
at live@3abn.org,
or your prayer request,
00:26:31.38\00:26:36.65
you can also call them in,
I said call them in at live,
00:26:36.66\00:26:41.41
email us at live@3abn.org,
or call us at (618) 627-4651.
00:26:41.42\00:26:47.92
We have so many people
here who are saying things
00:26:47.93\00:26:51.84
like Kathy, just want
to tell, heather Dawn,
00:26:51.85\00:26:54.05
that she is, what
she is doing is great,
00:26:54.06\00:26:57.15
and she is really brave.
00:26:57.16\00:26:58.72
But I wanted, there are
several, there are so many.
00:26:58.73\00:27:02.58
My grandmother was
bipolar, I'm bipolar,
00:27:02.59\00:27:04.94
my mother told me
not to say anything,
00:27:04.95\00:27:06.71
because they will lock you
up and just five years ago,
00:27:06.72\00:27:10.32
I finally was able to get help.
00:27:10.33\00:27:12.19
And so her advice is,
don't let anyone scare you,
00:27:12.20\00:27:15.53
and not allow you
to get help. Amen.
00:27:15.54\00:27:17.84
And now this precious Paula,
here is saying hello ladies,
00:27:17.85\00:27:23.07
I was very
blessed to turn on 3ABN
00:27:23.08\00:27:24.94
and hear your guest speaking
00:27:24.95\00:27:26.19
about being angry with
God and being in a dark place.
00:27:26.20\00:27:29.51
I've been in a dark
place for number of years now.
00:27:29.52\00:27:31.95
I just can't seem
to sustain the desire
00:27:31.96\00:27:34.49
to continue our
relationship with God.
00:27:34.50\00:27:36.70
I know that I should, I
want my children to grow up
00:27:36.71\00:27:39.87
the Christian way, but
I find I just go to church
00:27:39.88\00:27:42.65
and come home
empty, I can't do it.
00:27:42.66\00:27:44.94
I feel myself
pulling away from God,
00:27:44.95\00:27:46.85
yet I've a strong
desire to be saved
00:27:46.86\00:27:48.58
and have a
relationship with Him.
00:27:48.59\00:27:51.31
Please give me some
advice and pray for me.
00:27:51.32\00:27:54.37
I did not grow up in
a church, but I joined
00:27:54.38\00:27:56.86
when I was in
college about 14-years ago.
00:27:56.87\00:27:59.42
Since then I've
been baptized twice,
00:27:59.43\00:28:01.45
still officially in the
church now but sometimes
00:28:01.46\00:28:03.61
I feel like I was
predestined to be lost.
00:28:03.62\00:28:08.44
Oh, my, mine. Oh my.
00:28:08.45\00:28:11.49
That's a devil's
life have I heard it.
00:28:11.50\00:28:13.29
Absolutely. The devil is a liar,
do not believe that my sister.
00:28:13.30\00:28:17.07
Absolutely. Do not believe that.
00:28:17.08\00:28:18.90
And one of the things
that I want to say is,
00:28:18.91\00:28:22.10
something that Satan
did to me during my trial,
00:28:22.11\00:28:24.77
that I see
happening to so many women,
00:28:24.78\00:28:26.36
and I think its
happening to my sister here,
00:28:26.37\00:28:28.72
who send you that,
who send you that e-mail.
00:28:28.73\00:28:31.58
One of Satan's
weapons is to get us alone.
00:28:34.41\00:28:40.49
Amen. You see, when
he could isolate us,
00:28:40.50\00:28:44.37
when we have no support,
and that's what happened to me.
00:28:44.38\00:28:47.51
I pushed my husband
away. I pushed my friends away.
00:28:47.52\00:28:51.09
It was just me. I became a
bull's eye target for Satan,
00:28:51.10\00:28:55.42
because it was just me.
00:28:55.43\00:28:57.05
That lady need
some prayer support.
00:28:57.06\00:28:58.81
Yes, she does. That's
what I would say to her,
00:28:58.82\00:29:01.00
because there are still times
00:29:01.01\00:29:02.55
when I go
through difficult times,
00:29:02.56\00:29:05.27
especially when I
come back from a long trip,
00:29:05.28\00:29:08.03
and I'm really tired,
and I need to get some rest,
00:29:08.04\00:29:10.84
and I just kind of like fall
00:29:10.85\00:29:12.31
of the wagon there into
depression for few days.
00:29:12.32\00:29:15.57
Those are the times
when I pick up that phone
00:29:15.58\00:29:17.39
and I call a friend and
say, I need you to pray for me.
00:29:17.40\00:29:21.31
I'm going through a
bad time, just pray for me.
00:29:21.32\00:29:23.70
And it is the prayers of others
as they intercede on my behalf
00:29:23.71\00:29:27.42
that the darkness is
lifted, and that is real.
00:29:27.43\00:29:32.23
There are times when I
say to my husband, honey,
00:29:32.24\00:29:33.96
I can't do this,
pray for me, just stop,
00:29:33.97\00:29:36.60
stop what you're
doing now, and pray.
00:29:36.61\00:29:38.42
And the moment he begins
praying, the oppression goes.
00:29:38.43\00:29:42.91
But now, let me
ask you question,
00:29:42.92\00:29:44.39
because I do believe in prayer,
00:29:44.40\00:29:46.77
and I believe in
the God that we pray to.
00:29:46.78\00:29:49.85
And I think that's
for, but she is saying
00:29:49.86\00:29:52.39
this has been a dark
place for number of years,
00:29:52.40\00:29:54.55
isn't it quiet possible
00:29:54.56\00:29:55.79
that Paula is in a
clinical depression.
00:29:55.80\00:29:57.60
It is very
possible. It needs to get--
00:29:57.61\00:29:59.21
it's very
possible. You know here is
00:29:59.22\00:30:00.90
what I want to say to you
Paula and I know this question
00:30:00.91\00:30:04.13
is addressed to her,
but I've got to say this,
00:30:04.14\00:30:05.74
because my heart
is about pound that.
00:30:05.75\00:30:08.51
Dr. Neil Nedley who is one
00:30:08.52\00:30:09.96
of the foremost
experts on depression.
00:30:09.97\00:30:14.09
He wrote a book called
Depression the way out,
00:30:14.10\00:30:16.63
and he you know,
answers the questions,
00:30:16.64\00:30:20.00
because a lot of Christians
feel like for some reason
00:30:20.01\00:30:23.42
its wrong to take medication
and it Dr. Nedley who proposes
00:30:23.43\00:30:27.72
all kinds of wonderful
natural ways and various things.
00:30:27.73\00:30:31.77
He says, that for some
people they have to take drugs,
00:30:31.78\00:30:36.64
because you can't, your brain
00:30:36.65\00:30:38.11
just can't get that serotonin
going, and when you said
00:30:38.12\00:30:43.05
that you were worried that
you were predestined to be lost.
00:30:43.06\00:30:46.90
In Romans 8:29, the Bible says,
that those God predestined,
00:30:46.91\00:30:54.32
those before knew he predestined
00:30:54.33\00:30:56.32
to be conform to be
image of His Son Jesus.
00:30:56.33\00:30:59.38
Pre-destiny isn't whether you're
going to be lost, or saved.
00:30:59.39\00:31:03.39
Predestined God
isn't up there going okay,
00:31:03.40\00:31:06.01
one, two, three,
four five, I'll take you
00:31:06.02\00:31:09.10
and the rest of you're gone
when two, three, four, five.
00:31:09.11\00:31:11.70
He is up there and
He's say that His plan
00:31:11.71\00:31:16.13
is to make us be like His
Son, Jesus, when we accept Him.
00:31:16.14\00:31:20.63
So the pre-destiny
is or predestination
00:31:20.64\00:31:25.01
is just to be
conformed to the image of Jesus,
00:31:25.02\00:31:28.09
to be a new
creature in Christ Jesus,
00:31:28.10\00:31:30.85
once we've accepted Him. Yes.
00:31:30.86\00:31:33.28
So I would just
highly encourage you Paula,
00:31:33.29\00:31:37.37
please go see a
doctor, because if you,
00:31:37.38\00:31:40.31
if you want to read the Bible,
00:31:40.32\00:31:41.83
but you can't
seem to sustain it,
00:31:41.84\00:31:43.57
you want to come
close to the Lord,
00:31:43.58\00:31:45.25
obviously God is
striving with you.
00:31:45.26\00:31:47.09
He's trying to
help you this honey.
00:31:47.10\00:31:49.18
But she needs some help.
00:31:49.19\00:31:51.16
Yes, and that's something
that we said earlier too,
00:31:51.17\00:31:53.10
that the first thing
that you need to do is
00:31:53.11\00:31:55.12
to get out of that dark
place and for most of us
00:31:55.13\00:31:57.81
it is medication that
will help us to do that.
00:31:57.82\00:32:02.19
Okay, here is the question.
This is a very serious one.
00:32:02.20\00:32:06.68
My daughter was
molested at 14 by her father,
00:32:06.69\00:32:09.37
she's tried to commit
suicide, she lives in Jamaica.
00:32:09.38\00:32:12.79
I have encouraged her
not, I have encouraged her
00:32:12.80\00:32:17.23
not to take medication.
00:32:17.24\00:32:19.53
Will she ever get over
this and the depression.
00:32:19.54\00:32:23.47
You know for many of
us who are Christians,
00:32:23.48\00:32:25.81
we somehow see
taking medications
00:32:25.82\00:32:28.78
especially for mental problems
00:32:28.79\00:32:31.48
as being a denial
of the power of God,
00:32:31.49\00:32:34.75
and that's wrong, that's wrong.
00:32:34.76\00:32:37.55
And I'm a living
walking testimony for that.
00:32:37.56\00:32:41.51
If I don't take my medication,
00:32:41.52\00:32:43.37
I'm not going to be a good
person to actually deal with.
00:32:43.38\00:32:46.25
And I know my family went
through a rough time with me,
00:32:46.26\00:32:48.88
because there was a time
when I remember my daughter
00:32:48.89\00:32:51.24
said to me, oh mommy,
you've been depressed for years.
00:32:51.25\00:32:53.83
I said, really.
She said, yes you have.
00:32:53.84\00:32:55.97
And she began to talk
about situations and things
00:32:55.98\00:32:59.77
that I have not even
taken into consideration
00:32:59.78\00:33:03.44
that had been
going on for a while.
00:33:03.45\00:33:06.78
So our families do
suffer, but we have got to come
00:33:06.79\00:33:11.21
to the point where
we're, that we understand,
00:33:11.22\00:33:15.31
I mean its like if
somebody breaks their leg,
00:33:15.32\00:33:17.46
what are we're gonna say,
go home and prick about it.
00:33:17.47\00:33:19.82
And God's gonna heal
it. Yes, he could heal it.
00:33:19.83\00:33:22.80
He could very well just say,
00:33:22.81\00:33:24.12
fix that leg and
everything is gone,
00:33:24.13\00:33:25.99
but God gives us people.
00:33:26.00\00:33:27.97
There are hospitals,
and there are doctors,
00:33:27.98\00:33:29.83
and there are people who
know about the body system
00:33:29.84\00:33:33.51
that we can go to
and we can get help
00:33:33.52\00:33:35.67
and I it breaks my
heart when I hear that,
00:33:35.68\00:33:38.28
because that's what I hear in
so many countries where I go to.
00:33:38.29\00:33:42.16
Don't take the medications
00:33:42.17\00:33:43.28
because you're
denying the power of God.
00:33:43.29\00:33:45.19
Oh, my goodness, we're
not denying the power of God,
00:33:45.20\00:33:48.59
because I'm not just
taking the medication,
00:33:48.60\00:33:51.60
because I'm
thanking God number one
00:33:51.61\00:33:54.42
there is
something that I could take.
00:33:54.43\00:33:56.41
And that out of all
the things out there,
00:33:56.42\00:33:57.71
that there is something
that is going to work for me.
00:33:57.72\00:34:00.00
But I'm also thanking God,
00:34:00.01\00:34:01.79
that He has given me a
window through the darkness,
00:34:01.80\00:34:05.01
that I can now come out,
and I can begin to see life
00:34:05.02\00:34:08.68
in a different way and
see him in a different way.
00:34:08.69\00:34:12.01
And as long as young girls
stays without any medication,
00:34:12.02\00:34:15.22
suicide she's gonna getting
closer and closer to that.
00:34:15.23\00:34:18.03
And so, I want to say
to that particular mother,
00:34:18.04\00:34:20.69
please tell your
daughter, go to the doctor,
00:34:20.70\00:34:24.10
and get some medication,
because at this point in time,
00:34:24.11\00:34:29.38
nothing else is going
to make any sense to her.
00:34:29.39\00:34:31.57
And scriptural
counseling as well.
00:34:31.58\00:34:33.42
Here you said
something long ago,
00:34:33.43\00:34:34.69
that I just want to comment on,
00:34:34.70\00:34:35.88
because you mentioned
that people have used the word
00:34:35.89\00:34:38.93
that God allowed this in
your life, God allowed it.
00:34:38.94\00:34:41.56
Sometimes that
almost makes God seem like,
00:34:41.57\00:34:45.13
that He's not very
benevolent when He allows that.
00:34:49.17\00:34:52.91
When we say that,
actually its that God
00:34:52.92\00:34:56.87
didn't supernaturally
intervene to prevent
00:34:56.88\00:35:02.14
something from happening.
00:35:02.15\00:35:03.85
And I think that's
better way to say it,
00:35:03.86\00:35:06.12
is that because if He
supernaturally intervene
00:35:06.13\00:35:09.46
to keep any evil from happening,
00:35:09.47\00:35:11.38
we couldn't play this thing
out and have it all over with.
00:35:11.39\00:35:13.91
Well, you know,
the flip side to that
00:35:13.92\00:35:15.73
is that there's a lot of
stuff that God does not allow.
00:35:15.74\00:35:18.42
Yeah. And that's what I
got from the story of Job.
00:35:18.43\00:35:22.14
There was nothing that
Satan could do in Job's life
00:35:22.15\00:35:25.24
without God's permission.
00:35:25.25\00:35:28.28
God said, you can do
this, you can do that,
00:35:28.29\00:35:30.37
but you can't take his life.
00:35:30.38\00:35:31.82
God put a stop
to what he could do.
00:35:31.83\00:35:34.96
And in my mind, that's
how I see God with all of us.
00:35:34.97\00:35:38.93
That there is stuff that
Satan wants to do in our lives,
00:35:38.94\00:35:42.44
but he can't do it, because
00:35:42.45\00:35:44.01
God will not
allow certain things.
00:35:44.02\00:35:46.65
And its like that lady
who came to me and said,
00:35:46.66\00:35:48.90
if God had taken my child,
00:35:48.91\00:35:50.23
I would have
turn my back at Him,
00:35:50.24\00:35:51.71
and I would have
never spoken to Him again.
00:35:51.72\00:35:53.94
I would have just hated
God for the rest of my life,
00:35:53.95\00:35:56.09
and I said, that's why God
didn't give you that trial,
00:35:56.10\00:36:00.29
He gave it to
me. See, God knows,
00:36:00.30\00:36:04.18
and so even though, He allows,
not that He sits back and say,
00:36:04.19\00:36:07.29
well, okay do
whatever you want devil,
00:36:07.30\00:36:09.28
but He actually says,
thus far and no further.
00:36:09.29\00:36:12.61
Amen. And that's what
gives that encouragement
00:36:12.62\00:36:15.68
where God is concerned.
00:36:15.69\00:36:18.37
Heather Dawn, this
Janice, wants you to know this.
00:36:18.38\00:36:21.75
This is one of the
hardest hitting programs,
00:36:21.76\00:36:23.91
and I've heard on 3ABN.
00:36:23.92\00:36:25.91
It's the
beginning of hope for me.
00:36:25.92\00:36:28.24
Praise the Lord. Amen.
Thank Janice, bless your soul.
00:36:28.25\00:36:32.42
Janice is receiving hope.
00:36:32.43\00:36:34.67
Another person I don't
have the name for this one.
00:36:34.68\00:36:37.17
This program has
been a real eye opener.
00:36:37.18\00:36:39.63
Thank you for discussing anger.
00:36:39.64\00:36:41.75
I didn't know the
church helped with this.
00:36:41.76\00:36:43.63
Oh, Glory to God.
And this gentleman says,
00:36:43.64\00:36:46.96
no, Shirley,
Shirley says, Psalms 34
00:36:46.97\00:36:50.13
is what brought
me out of depression.
00:36:50.14\00:36:52.18
I'll just read
Psalms 34. And did you know,
00:36:52.19\00:36:54.64
that's what I've had open
here all the night Psalms 34,
00:36:54.65\00:36:57.61
because that's
one of the psalms,
00:36:57.62\00:36:59.66
that's one of the Psalms,
and I'm gonna flip back to it,
00:36:59.67\00:37:01.60
because I've had it
open on my lap seat.
00:37:01.61\00:37:03.97
I'm gonna share
something from Psalms 34.
00:37:03.98\00:37:05.42
Ms. Shirley says, that's what
brought her out of depression.
00:37:05.43\00:37:08.91
Psalm 34 is one of the psalms
00:37:08.92\00:37:11.30
that to me speaks
about God at me personally.
00:37:11.31\00:37:17.06
That says, taste and
see that God is good.
00:37:17.07\00:37:21.12
I will bless the
Lord at all times.
00:37:21.13\00:37:23.40
I sought the
Lord and He heard me
00:37:23.41\00:37:25.38
and delivered me
from all my fears.
00:37:25.39\00:37:29.34
They looked to Him
and they were radiant,
00:37:29.35\00:37:31.93
and their faces
were not ashamed.
00:37:31.94\00:37:34.02
This poor man cried
out and the Lord heard him.
00:37:34.03\00:37:36.94
And you know,
there are so many times
00:37:36.95\00:37:39.71
when we go through
experiences in life,
00:37:39.72\00:37:42.34
and it seems as
though, God isn't there,
00:37:42.35\00:37:44.26
God isn't
listening. Where is God?
00:37:44.27\00:37:46.18
He's so silent. And I say
to my sisters all the time,
00:37:46.19\00:37:50.22
God's silence does not
mean He's absent. Amen.
00:37:50.23\00:37:53.30
And that story that we
have of Jesus in the boat.
00:37:53.31\00:37:57.30
When Jesus was
asleep in the boat,
00:37:57.31\00:37:58.93
I have a whole sermon on
that, that just talks about
00:37:58.94\00:38:01.80
who's in your
boat, because even though
00:38:01.81\00:38:04.42
Jesus was silent in the storm,
00:38:04.43\00:38:06.39
He was not absent from the boat.
00:38:06.40\00:38:08.62
He was in the boat.
And at the right time,
00:38:08.63\00:38:12.65
He got up and He
did what He had to do.
00:38:12.66\00:38:15.05
And so I say to
people, make sure
00:38:15.06\00:38:17.19
God's in your boat everyday.
00:38:17.20\00:38:19.45
Make sure and
again let's be practical,
00:38:19.46\00:38:23.03
if I'm not in a good place,
00:38:23.04\00:38:24.64
then all of this
doesn't make sense to me.
00:38:24.65\00:38:26.70
But I have two
choices, I can go and get help,
00:38:26.71\00:38:29.42
and I can also ask someone
else to pray me through this,
00:38:29.43\00:38:32.10
because sometimes
that's what I need,
00:38:32.11\00:38:34.12
or to walk me through it.
00:38:34.13\00:38:36.02
To say to someone I
can't do this on my own,
00:38:36.03\00:38:38.25
can you go to the
doctor's office with me.
00:38:38.26\00:38:40.17
And you see that
brings us right back
00:38:40.18\00:38:41.75
around to where we
were when we first started.
00:38:41.76\00:38:44.15
How do these
issues which we face
00:38:44.16\00:38:47.27
impact on our mental health.
00:38:47.28\00:38:49.80
And then have a negative
impact on our spiritual health.
00:38:49.81\00:38:54.00
Exactly. Because unless I
have someone physically with me.
00:38:54.01\00:38:59.34
And you know, we don't
like to invade people's lives.
00:38:59.35\00:39:02.40
As much as we may
want to help other people,
00:39:02.41\00:39:06.09
we don't want them
to invade our privacy,
00:39:06.10\00:39:08.40
or we think well,
I want to help it,
00:39:08.41\00:39:10.68
but I don't want
to embarrass her.
00:39:10.69\00:39:12.83
I don't want,
and so we stand back,
00:39:12.84\00:39:15.09
and hope that may be
something will happen,
00:39:15.10\00:39:16.80
and then we'll
be able to connect.
00:39:16.81\00:39:18.51
Well, you know what,
I don't do that anymore.
00:39:18.52\00:39:20.04
I actually go right up there.
I'll be in the supermarket.
00:39:20.05\00:39:23.60
And this happens
to me all the time.
00:39:23.61\00:39:25.03
I'll be in the supermarket.
00:39:25.04\00:39:26.53
And I'm standing up
there looking at something,
00:39:26.54\00:39:28.35
and somebody comes up
to me, and the first thing
00:39:28.36\00:39:30.42
that I do if its
especially if it's a woman,
00:39:30.43\00:39:33.32
I look at the
face, because you know
00:39:33.33\00:39:34.94
how you talk to
strangers in different places.
00:39:34.95\00:39:37.25
Or I'm on the
bus, or in the plane,
00:39:37.26\00:39:39.01
doesn't matter
wherever and I look at the face,
00:39:39.02\00:39:41.65
and if the spirits has
to meet some thing is going,
00:39:41.66\00:39:44.55
I will say to that person,
00:39:44.56\00:39:46.05
is there
something wrong, can I help.
00:39:46.06\00:39:48.50
I've had woman breakdown
in tears on me in the public,
00:39:48.51\00:39:52.25
in a mall, because I
just ask them that question,
00:39:52.26\00:39:55.33
because if God has put me
00:39:55.34\00:39:57.62
in that person's
path at that moment,
00:39:57.63\00:39:59.96
and His Holy Spirit
says, this person needs me.
00:39:59.97\00:40:03.24
They need you right now.
Then I'm gonna do something,
00:40:03.25\00:40:05.93
I'm gonna say something,
00:40:05.94\00:40:07.26
and I pray that God
gives us that kind of boldness,
00:40:07.27\00:40:09.88
that will reach
into people's lives,
00:40:09.89\00:40:11.97
and say, can I help.
00:40:11.98\00:40:13.49
Now the person may
say, no to you, its fine.
00:40:13.50\00:40:17.38
But at some point in
time when they need help,
00:40:17.39\00:40:19.75
they will come to
you, because they remember
00:40:19.76\00:40:21.61
that you were the one
person who said to them,
00:40:21.62\00:40:24.79
can I help you. All right.
00:40:24.80\00:40:27.29
You know, I have a
couple of questions here,
00:40:27.30\00:40:29.61
I want to put
them both together.
00:40:29.62\00:40:32.46
One of them is a
lady wanting to know
00:40:32.47\00:40:35.37
how to find a
doctor for depression,
00:40:35.38\00:40:39.70
for someone that's
bipolar, and another one,
00:40:39.71\00:40:42.95
how do I get on
the right medications.
00:40:42.96\00:40:45.09
So I think these are may be,
00:40:45.10\00:40:46.59
put the both of
these questions together
00:40:46.60\00:40:48.52
and may be you can
address both of them.
00:40:48.53\00:40:50.05
Well, I went to my
general practioner,
00:40:50.06\00:40:53.73
my internist,
and she was the one
00:40:53.74\00:40:55.89
who helped me to find a doctor
who would prescribe for me
00:40:55.90\00:41:00.77
the right
medication, because they've got
00:41:00.78\00:41:02.37
to take you through a
whole battery of questions,
00:41:02.38\00:41:04.34
and all these historical stuff,
00:41:04.35\00:41:06.45
and then they may do
some tests also to make sure
00:41:06.46\00:41:08.64
that its not something
else, which is causing this.
00:41:08.65\00:41:11.72
So it's a kind of
process of taking things
00:41:11.73\00:41:14.56
out of the way
which it could be.
00:41:14.57\00:41:16.41
And then once they
find that it's not that.
00:41:16.42\00:41:18.59
Now they come to the medication.
00:41:18.60\00:41:20.09
Now that can be a little tricky,
00:41:20.10\00:41:22.03
because there are some
people, the first medication
00:41:22.04\00:41:23.83
they put you on, its fine.
00:41:23.84\00:41:25.46
But it doesn't
work straight away.
00:41:25.47\00:41:27.17
Most of these medications
take two to three months,
00:41:27.18\00:41:29.68
to get into your system,
00:41:29.69\00:41:31.05
and to actually
begin to make a difference.
00:41:31.06\00:41:33.66
Some of them, its as
though within a few weeks,
00:41:33.67\00:41:37.82
but some times, it
takes going through
00:41:37.83\00:41:40.41
two or three some
times, and of course
00:41:40.42\00:41:42.97
some of these
medications have side effects.
00:41:42.98\00:41:44.99
I have had, I've had
problems with nausea,
00:41:45.00\00:41:48.39
problems with
dry mouth, problems,
00:41:48.40\00:41:50.24
just different
problems that have come up,
00:41:50.25\00:41:52.41
but as I've
stayed on the medication,
00:41:52.42\00:41:55.50
those problems have just gone.
00:41:55.51\00:41:57.58
So as though your
body begins to adjust
00:41:57.59\00:41:59.86
to the chemical
changes going on.
00:41:59.87\00:42:02.79
So you've got to
commit it, number one,
00:42:02.80\00:42:04.98
and yes you may go through
a little difficult period,
00:42:04.99\00:42:08.43
but anything is better
than being in the dark place.
00:42:08.44\00:42:11.27
And you know,
there is and we're not,
00:42:11.28\00:42:13.62
this is kind of an
opposite of what we normally do.
00:42:13.63\00:42:16.68
A lot of times
we're talking purely
00:42:16.69\00:42:18.58
about the natural
way of doing things,
00:42:18.59\00:42:21.92
because we do believe in the
natural way if it's possible.
00:42:21.93\00:42:23.96
Sometimes its not possible.
00:42:23.97\00:42:25.98
But from a natural aspect
if you suffer from depression,
00:42:25.99\00:42:29.99
you want to get the
omega 3's in your body,
00:42:30.00\00:42:33.40
because its your diet.
00:42:33.41\00:42:35.84
What you eat, if
you're eating a lot of sugars
00:42:35.85\00:42:38.43
and things like this is
going to be very bad for you,
00:42:38.44\00:42:41.35
but high source of
omega 3 is flaxseed,
00:42:41.36\00:42:45.40
you can grind up flaxseed
and put it on your cereal,
00:42:45.41\00:42:49.31
walnuts, English walnuts,
00:42:49.32\00:42:51.00
this is another
excellent source.
00:42:51.01\00:42:53.20
There is light treatments,
and because that has been,
00:42:53.21\00:42:56.18
they've proven very effective.
00:42:56.19\00:42:58.36
And there is all
kinds of wonderful ways,
00:42:58.37\00:43:00.90
I would highly recommend
the book by Dr. Neil Nedley.
00:43:00.91\00:43:03.98
Dr. Nedley, that's right.
"Depression, the way out."
00:43:03.99\00:43:06.73
What we're talking
about is if you are a person
00:43:06.74\00:43:09.98
who has tried all
these natural ways,
00:43:09.99\00:43:12.45
and find that you
still cannot get out.
00:43:12.46\00:43:15.10
And you know, one of
the most effective things
00:43:15.11\00:43:16.72
that Dr. Nedley
does, is he makes
00:43:16.73\00:43:19.02
his depressed
patients for two weeks,
00:43:19.03\00:43:22.82
they go through
these two week period
00:43:22.83\00:43:24.81
that they cannot say one
negative thing for two weeks.
00:43:24.82\00:43:27.22
So if on day 13, they
say something negative,
00:43:27.23\00:43:29.80
he makes them
start all over again.
00:43:29.81\00:43:32.27
And there is something
about that, that you know,
00:43:32.28\00:43:35.87
this is what I believe
about speaking the word of God,
00:43:35.88\00:43:38.24
you're feeding the
soul. Yes, that's self talk,
00:43:38.25\00:43:39.94
that's self talk, he
needs to be positive.
00:43:39.95\00:43:41.82
But I also want to
just kind of throw in there,
00:43:41.83\00:43:43.86
that from me it was
the other way around,
00:43:43.87\00:43:47.45
I got on the medication first,
00:43:47.46\00:43:49.38
and then I began
to change my diet,
00:43:49.39\00:43:53.17
and become get
rid of the sugars,
00:43:53.18\00:43:56.47
get on to the exercise program,
because I just couldn't get,
00:43:56.48\00:44:00.98
I couldn't make that first step
to improve anything in my life.
00:44:00.99\00:44:05.04
You were true.
Just to make the effort.
00:44:05.05\00:44:07.17
You were clinically depressed.
00:44:07.18\00:44:08.25
To go the supermarket
and buy fruits and say,
00:44:08.26\00:44:10.69
I'm gonna eat fruits,
that was just too much to do.
00:44:10.70\00:44:13.34
Yeah. But once I
got on the medication,
00:44:13.35\00:44:15.96
I didn't stop there,
because I think you got
00:44:15.97\00:44:18.48
to take it
beyond the medication.
00:44:18.49\00:44:20.36
You can't just stay there.
00:44:20.37\00:44:21.62
You know I want to
remind everyone that,
00:44:21.63\00:44:24.75
we are taking
your prayer request.
00:44:24.76\00:44:26.54
I've a prayer request here.
00:44:26.55\00:44:28.58
I'm going through depression,
and I'm a little crazy,
00:44:28.59\00:44:30.82
and I need
prayer. So we'll pray.
00:44:30.83\00:44:35.04
Let me do a
couple of quick ones too.
00:44:35.05\00:44:36.72
And then we want to
talk about a free offer.
00:44:36.73\00:44:38.37
This is from
Phyllis, and Phyllis,
00:44:38.38\00:44:40.94
thank you for writing, Phyllis.
00:44:40.95\00:44:42.34
She says, I'm
80-years-old recently
00:44:42.35\00:44:43.75
went through a major
surgery having a hard time
00:44:43.76\00:44:45.86
concentrating on
reading the Bible.
00:44:45.87\00:44:47.71
Wonder if this was
normal not being able
00:44:47.72\00:44:49.62
to concentrate Phyllis.
00:44:49.63\00:44:51.08
Let me share with you.
00:44:51.09\00:44:52.20
Anytime you go
through a major surgery,
00:44:52.21\00:44:54.41
depression can follow.
00:44:54.42\00:44:55.57
I mean especially if
it's been heart surgery,
00:44:55.58\00:44:57.51
they tell you to expect that.
00:44:57.52\00:44:59.89
There is such a thing
call situational depression.
00:44:59.90\00:45:02.36
If you've just lost
somebody that you've loved,
00:45:02.37\00:45:05.41
or if you've been
through a divorce.
00:45:05.42\00:45:07.66
There's a
natural grieving period.
00:45:07.67\00:45:10.09
Surgery is
certainly one of those things
00:45:10.10\00:45:11.81
that the body does react to so.
00:45:11.82\00:45:15.39
This is natural, and sometimes
00:45:15.40\00:45:18.45
there is ways to pray these out,
00:45:18.46\00:45:21.06
and to do other things.
00:45:21.07\00:45:23.88
Let see, I'm now
going to read that one.
00:45:23.89\00:45:25.21
Here is somebody that
says, I would like to share.
00:45:25.22\00:45:28.51
When you have
bitterness in your heart,
00:45:28.52\00:45:29.96
the prayer you must pray
is for God to fill your heart
00:45:29.97\00:45:32.63
with love for those
particular individuals
00:45:32.64\00:45:35.61
that have wronged you.
00:45:35.62\00:45:36.90
I have suffered
from severe depression,
00:45:36.91\00:45:38.71
and all that kept
me going was Lord,
00:45:38.72\00:45:40.79
please inspire
somebody to pray for me,
00:45:40.80\00:45:43.34
and please answer
that prayer on my behalf.
00:45:43.35\00:45:47.34
And that every
and that we everything
00:45:47.35\00:45:49.31
you have in you
just trust the Lord
00:45:49.32\00:45:51.93
to be in you in
healing you. Amen.
00:45:51.94\00:45:56.08
Please go with the six
problems of women again,
00:45:56.09\00:45:59.13
the six problems
that they are facing.
00:45:59.14\00:46:00.96
The six issues which women--
It's from Betty, in Ohio.
00:46:00.97\00:46:03.55
Okay, let's look at
number one is women's health,
00:46:03.56\00:46:07.33
women's
workloads, abuse, poverty,
00:46:07.34\00:46:11.85
illiteracy, lack of
education, and the last one is.
00:46:11.86\00:46:18.74
Oh dear, literacy, lack of
training effects the health.
00:46:18.75\00:46:22.69
Okay. Yeah, yeah,
so those are the areas
00:46:22.70\00:46:25.63
that impact on women in
different parts of the world
00:46:25.64\00:46:28.63
which then impact on
women's mental health,
00:46:28.64\00:46:31.27
which then impacts on
your spiritual health.
00:46:31.28\00:46:34.53
I have one here
that I have lost in here.
00:46:34.54\00:46:37.59
But I'm gonna tell
you the jest of it,
00:46:37.60\00:46:39.34
if I could find this.
00:46:39.35\00:46:40.71
This gentleman
wrote in and he said,
00:46:40.72\00:46:44.33
that he--his wife had
suffered abuse as a child
00:46:44.34\00:46:51.93
that cost their marriage,
00:46:51.94\00:46:53.07
because she got
almost crazy in saying
00:46:53.08\00:46:56.52
and kept accusing
him of abusing her,
00:46:56.53\00:46:59.51
and then he
went, she was started
00:46:59.52\00:47:01.29
running around with other
men, and then he found out
00:47:01.30\00:47:03.40
that she had been
abused by her father
00:47:03.41\00:47:06.42
when she was very young
00:47:06.43\00:47:07.65
for a period of
long, long period of time.
00:47:07.66\00:47:10.53
And so I think, he is basically
wanting to have prayer.
00:47:10.54\00:47:16.58
Here it is. He said that,
00:47:16.59\00:47:20.67
she had been
abused by her father
00:47:20.68\00:47:22.23
from the ages of 6 to
13, and taking it out on me.
00:47:22.24\00:47:25.67
Could you just
please speak to this
00:47:25.68\00:47:28.33
the name was
withheld, but sometimes
00:47:28.34\00:47:31.43
we think of the
victims of abuse,
00:47:31.44\00:47:37.17
or the victims of
rape, and we forget
00:47:37.18\00:47:40.43
that there's
other family members
00:47:40.44\00:47:43.14
who suffer along with them.
Could you speak to them, please.
00:47:43.15\00:47:46.63
And I can talk to,
I can speak to that
00:47:46.64\00:47:48.45
from my husband's perspective,
00:47:48.46\00:47:49.76
because I know he has suffered
with me through these years.
00:47:49.77\00:47:53.10
I have, I have woken
up sometimes at night,
00:47:53.11\00:47:56.50
and found my
husband kneeling by my bed,
00:47:56.51\00:47:58.90
praying for me, and crying.
00:47:58.91\00:48:02.54
And he says to
me, his greatest pain
00:48:02.55\00:48:08.33
is that there is
nothing he can do.
00:48:08.34\00:48:10.52
There is nothing he can do.
00:48:10.53\00:48:11.77
He wishes there was something
he could do and I said,
00:48:11.78\00:48:13.83
honey, you're doing it.
00:48:13.84\00:48:15.31
Keep praying for
me, because the persons
00:48:15.32\00:48:19.28
who live with you
have to deal with that.
00:48:19.29\00:48:22.22
They have to
deal with those times
00:48:22.23\00:48:23.62
when you don't want
anyone else there with you,
00:48:23.63\00:48:25.52
that you don't
want to talk to anyone,
00:48:25.53\00:48:27.14
that you want to be by yourself,
00:48:27.15\00:48:28.64
that you go through
a personality change.
00:48:28.65\00:48:30.99
And I have sometimes
heard my husband say,
00:48:31.00\00:48:32.63
I want my wife
back, because the person
00:48:32.64\00:48:35.18
he married 31 years
ago, was an extrovert,
00:48:35.19\00:48:38.54
and entertainer,
always have people mad.
00:48:38.55\00:48:40.58
Matter of fact,
he would complain
00:48:40.59\00:48:41.58
we always have
people in this house.
00:48:41.59\00:48:42.85
Why they're always
people in this house?
00:48:42.86\00:48:44.54
Because I was a
real people person.
00:48:44.55\00:48:46.55
And even though
I'm on my medication,
00:48:46.56\00:48:48.77
and I think may be part
of it has to do with my job,
00:48:48.78\00:48:51.83
but even before
that, I stepped away
00:48:51.84\00:48:56.01
from the entertaining
and because too many people
00:48:56.02\00:48:59.98
sometimes make
me feel overwhelmed.
00:48:59.99\00:49:02.20
You know,
sometimes I go to the store,
00:49:02.21\00:49:04.85
they're having a sale,
and I walk in to the store,
00:49:04.86\00:49:07.24
and I see all those women,
then I walk right back out,
00:49:07.25\00:49:09.18
because I can't deal with that.
00:49:09.19\00:49:10.64
Its just too many people,
and so there are situations
00:49:10.65\00:49:13.33
where you do feel overwhelmed,
that does change you.
00:49:13.34\00:49:15.65
But it effects the
people who you live with,
00:49:15.66\00:49:17.56
because they knew you one way.
00:49:17.57\00:49:19.71
And even though you
are on the medication,
00:49:19.72\00:49:21.39
it seems as though
you're a different personal,
00:49:21.40\00:49:23.75
and how do they deal with that.
00:49:23.76\00:49:25.42
And I remember my husband,
00:49:25.43\00:49:27.43
he really went
through some rough years,
00:49:27.44\00:49:30.14
until one morning, he
woke up, but I should say,
00:49:30.15\00:49:34.19
I woke up, and he
was in the living room
00:49:34.20\00:49:35.92
kneeling by the sofa praying.
00:49:35.93\00:49:37.72
And when he got
off his knees, he said,
00:49:37.73\00:49:39.56
I don't want to hear that God,
00:49:39.57\00:49:40.65
I don't want to hear that.
00:49:40.66\00:49:41.69
And I said, why
don't you want to hear?
00:49:41.70\00:49:43.37
He said, I don't,
I don't want to hear
00:49:43.38\00:49:45.34
the answer God just gave me.
00:49:45.35\00:49:46.38
And I said what? And he said,
00:49:46.39\00:49:47.77
he had been
praying for me all night,
00:49:47.78\00:49:49.31
because of the depression,
and the physical pain
00:49:49.32\00:49:51.88
that I was having,
and God said to him,
00:49:51.89\00:49:54.74
after he had prayed
and prayed, and prayed,
00:49:54.75\00:49:56.29
he said the one
thing God said to him,
00:49:56.30\00:49:57.71
my grace is sufficient for you.
00:49:57.72\00:49:58.97
And he said, I
don't want to hear that,
00:49:58.98\00:50:00.11
I want you to heal her.
00:50:00.12\00:50:02.00
And I have prayed for healing.
00:50:02.01\00:50:04.15
I have prayed for healing,
and I don't want to share this,
00:50:04.16\00:50:06.10
because God will heal you,
when He is ready to heal you.
00:50:06.11\00:50:10.60
Amen. Now you see
that was something
00:50:10.61\00:50:11.88
that was
difficult for me to accept.
00:50:11.89\00:50:13.59
I have been anointed.
00:50:13.60\00:50:15.28
I have been
prayed on for healing,
00:50:15.29\00:50:17.68
and it came to a
point where I frustrated
00:50:17.69\00:50:21.95
myself on the ground before
God once Saturday morning,
00:50:21.96\00:50:24.86
I didn't go to
church, I stayed home,
00:50:24.87\00:50:26.64
and I said
Lord, we have to talk,
00:50:26.65\00:50:28.62
you know, talk about this.
00:50:28.63\00:50:29.87
You've called me
to this ministry.
00:50:29.88\00:50:31.12
You want me to do
all this traveling
00:50:31.13\00:50:32.97
and I mean, all these agony,
00:50:32.98\00:50:34.31
and I'm having such a
struggle, how can I do this.
00:50:34.32\00:50:38.33
And I said, I need
healing, and God's told me.
00:50:38.34\00:50:42.44
It was just so
specific, don't ask again
00:50:42.45\00:50:47.14
when I'm ready, I
will heal you. Yes.
00:50:47.15\00:50:49.82
And that was
hard for me to take.
00:50:49.83\00:50:52.15
But then when I said to
him, but that's not fair.
00:50:52.16\00:50:55.91
I want you to heal me,
so I can do this better.
00:50:55.92\00:50:58.80
I can be a
better speaker to women.
00:50:58.81\00:51:01.57
I can have a more
positive attitude.
00:51:01.58\00:51:04.28
And his response to that was.
00:51:04.29\00:51:07.05
How can you help your sisters
00:51:07.06\00:51:08.46
when you don't
understand their pain.
00:51:08.47\00:51:10.88
I was just getting ready to say,
00:51:10.89\00:51:12.01
see I think it will make
you such an effective speaker
00:51:12.02\00:51:15.00
right now is the idea that
you're suffering from this,
00:51:15.01\00:51:19.00
and yet God is using you
in such a incredible ways,
00:51:19.01\00:51:21.98
women's ministries, director
of a worldwide organization.
00:51:21.99\00:51:26.87
And you're
traveling all over the world,
00:51:26.88\00:51:29.04
and you are
giving, you're speaking
00:51:29.05\00:51:32.07
from your heart that
people can experience.
00:51:32.08\00:51:35.43
I mean they
identify with your pain,
00:51:35.44\00:51:38.39
and you give them
hope and you know its,
00:51:38.40\00:51:44.11
to me I think part of.
And I'm don't mean to be
00:51:44.12\00:51:49.36
speaking for you but I
do know that Mollie and I
00:51:49.37\00:51:51.50
can even identify with
this is that part of it
00:51:51.51\00:51:54.96
may be your job,
because I know that for us,
00:51:54.97\00:51:58.58
you know, when you
we work full schedules,
00:51:58.59\00:52:01.55
and I travel a lot at weekends,
00:52:01.56\00:52:03.43
and go long periods of
time without a day off,
00:52:03.44\00:52:06.84
and everybody is
pulling, and pulling,
00:52:06.85\00:52:09.62
and pulling, and
you give, and give.
00:52:09.63\00:52:13.36
And there is that
time where you know,
00:52:13.37\00:52:17.84
sometimes when
I'm not ministering,
00:52:17.85\00:52:19.94
I'm not a
socialist as I used to be,
00:52:19.95\00:52:21.72
because there is that time
00:52:21.73\00:52:23.27
that you just
have to come apart,
00:52:23.28\00:52:25.01
be along with God, be
along with your spouse,
00:52:25.02\00:52:27.94
and protect just a
little part of your life.
00:52:27.95\00:52:31.48
And its not selfish, at first
I thought I was being selfish
00:52:31.49\00:52:34.21
if I didn't
travel every weekend.
00:52:34.22\00:52:35.91
But its not selfish, its kind of
00:52:35.92\00:52:37.73
self preservation if
anything. Go ahead Mollie.
00:52:37.74\00:52:40.70
Okay, this is from
Mollie, but it's not me.
00:52:40.71\00:52:43.82
She mentions that she
is being married twice
00:52:43.83\00:52:47.39
and she is divorced now
from her second husband.
00:52:47.40\00:52:50.79
She says I gave my
heart totally to the Lord
00:52:50.80\00:52:53.98
after that meaning
the second divorce.
00:52:53.99\00:52:56.56
But I'm battling
great loneliness.
00:52:56.57\00:52:59.54
I have guilt, because
God should be enough for me.
00:52:59.55\00:53:03.17
But I can't get
over the loneliness,
00:53:03.18\00:53:05.30
do you have answers for me.
00:53:05.31\00:53:08.37
That takes me
right back to a church
00:53:08.38\00:53:11.70
that I spoke at some years ago.
00:53:11.71\00:53:14.04
And sharing my
testimony and talking about
00:53:14.05\00:53:16.84
the need for us to have
others who would pray for us,
00:53:16.85\00:53:19.26
and who would
walk the road with us.
00:53:19.27\00:53:21.64
And this dear sister
came to me afterwards
00:53:21.65\00:53:23.70
and she said,
you don't understand,
00:53:23.71\00:53:26.14
I don't need anyone but God.
00:53:26.15\00:53:28.07
And I said if that was the case,
00:53:28.08\00:53:29.76
God would have left Adam alone.
00:53:29.77\00:53:31.75
Amen. that's right.
00:53:31.76\00:53:33.36
God did not intend for
humans to walk this path alone.
00:53:33.37\00:53:38.01
He wanted us to connect.
00:53:38.02\00:53:40.70
I mean there are so many
places in the word of God,
00:53:40.71\00:53:43.55
in the gospels, where God says,
00:53:43.56\00:53:47.51
bear one another's burdens.
00:53:47.52\00:53:49.69
Pray for each other,
intercede for each other.
00:53:49.70\00:53:53.62
How can I do that
if God is all I need.
00:53:53.63\00:53:57.38
Now in a sense He is all I need,
00:53:57.39\00:54:00.33
when it comes to
dealing with life,
00:54:00.34\00:54:02.05
when it comes to my
salvation, He is all I need,
00:54:02.06\00:54:05.35
because salvation
is only through Him.
00:54:05.36\00:54:08.64
When it comes to the problems
and the challenges that I face,
00:54:08.65\00:54:11.43
that I cannot fix which
his 99.9 percent of them,
00:54:11.44\00:54:15.53
He's the only
person who could do this.
00:54:15.54\00:54:17.29
I don't need to give this
to my husband, or anyone else.
00:54:17.30\00:54:19.40
He's all I need. But when it
comes to walking life's path,
00:54:19.41\00:54:24.23
I need someone
by my side. Right.
00:54:24.24\00:54:26.73
I need my
husband, I need my friend,
00:54:26.74\00:54:29.16
I need to know
that there are others
00:54:29.17\00:54:31.00
who are helping me through this.
00:54:31.01\00:54:33.20
And I'm gonna
say to this sister,
00:54:33.21\00:54:35.26
you need to get
some friends sweetheart.
00:54:35.27\00:54:37.32
You need some good sisters
who are going to pray for you.
00:54:37.33\00:54:41.66
And who are going to
come home and sit down
00:54:41.67\00:54:43.56
and have a nice cup of
herb tea with you sometimes
00:54:43.57\00:54:46.25
and just chat and
just fellowship with you.
00:54:46.26\00:54:50.29
You must have that. And
how do you have a friend,
00:54:50.30\00:54:52.81
you show yourself friendliness.
00:54:52.82\00:54:54.89
You know what I
want to do right now
00:54:54.90\00:54:57.07
is we're just quickly coming
to the end of this program.
00:54:57.08\00:55:01.13
And we want to
give the opportunity
00:55:01.14\00:55:02.62
if you'd like to get in
touch with Heather Dawn,
00:55:02.63\00:55:04.48
and know more about
the Women's Ministries
00:55:04.49\00:55:06.15
with the 'End it Now' campaign.
00:55:06.16\00:55:07.71
This is how you may
get in touch with her.
00:55:07.72\00:55:10.01
Women's
Ministries exist to uphold,
00:55:12.48\00:55:14.84
encourage and
challenge Adventist women
00:55:14.85\00:55:17.76
in their pilgrimage as
disciples of Jesus Christ
00:55:17.77\00:55:20.65
and members of His world church.
00:55:20.66\00:55:22.81
Should you want to
support this ministry,
00:55:22.82\00:55:24.44
you can write to
Women's Ministries,
00:55:24.45\00:55:26.75
12501, Old Columbia
Pike, Silver Spring,
00:55:26.76\00:55:30.38
Maryland, 20904.
That's Women's Ministries,
00:55:30.39\00:55:33.91
12501, Old Columbia
Pike, Silver Spring,
00:55:33.92\00:55:37.48
Maryland, 20904.
00:55:37.49\00:55:39.68
Or you can call
area (301) 680-6608,
00:55:39.69\00:55:44.42
that's area (301) 680-6608.
00:55:44.43\00:55:48.55
Or visit their website at
adventistwomensministries.org.
00:55:48.56\00:55:55.24
I can't believe how rapidly
our time has flown tonight.
00:55:57.33\00:56:01.10
I do want to
offer this free offer,
00:56:01.11\00:56:03.85
because this is precious book,
00:56:03.86\00:56:05.82
Depression, You are not Alone.
00:56:05.83\00:56:07.99
And it, you can
get it by emailing us
00:56:08.00\00:56:10.51
at freeoffer@3abn.org,
or call (618) 627-4651.
00:56:10.52\00:56:16.71
Heather Dawn, thank you so
much for being here tonight.
00:56:16.72\00:56:19.82
Thank you. Your
life, your testimony,
00:56:19.83\00:56:22.79
God has used you
greatly tonight. Yes, he has.
00:56:22.80\00:56:25.01
And he has touched many people.
00:56:25.02\00:56:26.66
And I also want to led
those of you at home know
00:56:26.67\00:56:30.05
that we have so
many prayer request,
00:56:30.06\00:56:32.48
and we will definitely be
praying over these at tonight
00:56:32.49\00:56:37.40
after the program and
then the pastoral department
00:56:37.41\00:56:39.82
will be praying
over them all next week.
00:56:39.83\00:56:41.53
So please know that we love you,
00:56:41.54\00:56:43.74
that was so grateful
that you've tuned in tonight.
00:56:43.75\00:56:47.51
And I know that
you were blessed,
00:56:47.52\00:56:49.57
Mollie, where you blessed?
00:56:49.58\00:56:50.64
Totally blessed.
Totally blessed. Amen.
00:56:50.65\00:56:52.53
And our prayer for you
00:56:52.54\00:56:54.07
is that the grace of
our Lord Jesus Christ,
00:56:54.08\00:56:56.32
the love of the Father
00:56:56.33\00:56:57.90
and the
fellowship of the Holy Spirit
00:56:57.91\00:56:59.79
will be with you
tonight, tomorrow and always.
00:56:59.80\00:57:03.76
Thank you so much
for joining us. Yes.
00:57:03.77\00:57:06.12