Participants: Danny Shelton (Host), Ty Gibson, David Asscherick
Series Code: TLA
Program Code: TLA012531
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01:00 Hello and welcome to "3ABN today" live.
01:03 Thank you for joining us. 01:04 We love to come every Thursday evening 01:07 and join hands with you from around the world. 01:09 And I, as I always say, thank you for your love 01:11 and your prayers and financial support of 3ABN, 01:15 as we endeavor to take this 01:16 gospel of the kingdom into all the world. 01:18 Tonight, I have some of your favorite speakers, 01:22 here at 3ABN live. 01:24 So little later, in the program 01:26 because I'm sure there's going to be 01:28 a lot of folk who want to ask questions. 01:29 So if you can-- as we're progressing here 01:32 if you've questions, 01:33 we'll try to take some in the second hour. 01:35 But the first hour we have some exciting news 01:37 we're going to talk to them, I'm gonna start with Ty Gibson. 01:40 Ty, it's good to have you here. It's good to see you, Danny. 01:42 And Co-Director of Light Bearers Ministry 01:45 and for how many years? 01:46 How many years, it's got to be over 25 years. 01:49 Have mercy, you're almost since 3ABN. Long time. 01:51 We were youngsters back then, right. We were. 01:54 You were especially young. 01:55 You're still quite a few years younger than me. 01:56 You still look young to me. 01:58 Well, I eat a lot of blueberries. Oh, that's good. 02:00 Did a lot of exercise and a lot of romance. 02:02 Oh, really. That's the way to do. 02:03 Those are the three great laws of health. 02:04 Okay, all right. We'll abide. 02:06 Well, how about the guy next to you. 02:08 Do you know who he is? I do, David. 02:10 David Asscherick, pastor, how you are doing? 02:11 Did you really just called those the three-- 02:13 The three great laws of health. 02:14 Blueberries, exercise and romance. 02:16 You know, you agree. 02:17 Yeah, I don't disagree. I heard it here first. 02:22 But he may have more than just three. He may have-- 02:24 Oh, that's to add to the list. There are few others. 02:27 We won't have everybody writing us 02:29 and putting all the other list. 02:30 But that's you just gave some of it. 02:31 Danny, you've brought it up, I didn't bring it up. 02:32 Okay, I brought it up, okay. 02:34 Well, listen I'm speaking to that, 02:35 I'm glad I've brought up the subject 02:37 that you all are here tonight. Yeah. 02:38 And you got some great news, 02:39 you're going to be telling us about, 02:41 as far as your ministry is going and what you're doing. 02:43 Then we're going to talk about what? 02:46 What's our subject tonight? Territorial, what? 02:49 Territorial Forces. 02:50 Forces, that sounds like some movie 02:52 that would be out there, right. 02:53 Was not any movie that's out there and-- 02:55 but it's definitely a living drama 03:00 that is brought to viewing scripture 03:01 from Genesis to Revelation. 03:03 And we're right in that time that 03:05 all of this is happening, right. 03:06 We sure are. Wow. Yes. 03:08 Okay, you don't want to miss this tonight. 03:10 It's going to be a great topic. 03:11 It's two hours but before we do that 03:13 we're going to have some special music. 03:15 And I think he's one of the-- 03:17 to me he's one of my old time favorite singers. 03:20 And it's Neville Peters. 03:22 And Neville has an incredible gift for music. 03:26 And he is also a song writer. 03:28 And he is singing the song, "Carry You." All right. 03:49 You're on the narrow road 03:52 And I have been with you all along 03:56 This race that you're running 04:00 Is not given to the strong 04:04 I know sometimes you're weary 04:08 And faith is hard to find 04:13 You feel you'll never reach the finish line 04:18 But that's when I carry you 04:22 That's when I carry you 04:28 I have kept you through the storm 04:32 You have never been alone 04:34 I'll carry you 04:38 Yes, I'll carry you 04:43 When the road is much too hard to make it through 04:49 I will carry you 05:05 Listen, I'm with you when you're hurtling 05:11 I know how hard you try 05:15 To bear your heavy burdens 05:19 I'm near you when you cry 05:23 I know sometimes it's easy 05:27 To believe our hope is gone 05:31 When there is no more strength To carry on 05:37 But that's when I carry you 05:41 That's when I carry you 05:46 I have kept you through the storms 05:50 You have never been alone 05:53 I'll carry you 05:57 Yes, I will carry you my child 06:02 When the road is much too hard to make it through 06:07 I'll carry you 06:12 You may not understand what's going on 06:20 You may not have 06:22 the strength to be strong 06:35 But that's when I carry you 06:39 That's when I carry you 06:45 I have kept you through the storm 06:50 You've never been alone 06:52 I'll carry you 06:55 Yes, I will carry you 07:00 When the road is much too hard to make it through 07:06 I will carry you 07:10 Yes, I will carry you 07:17 I have kept you through the storm 07:20 You have never been alone 07:23 I'll carry you 07:27 Yes, I will carry you 07:32 When the road is much too hard to make it through 07:38 I will carry you 07:45 Yes, I will I'll carry you 07:53 Yes, I will I will carry you 08:10 Amen. 08:11 Well, what you guys think about that. 08:12 Oh, beautiful. 08:13 Isn't that, isn't that incredible. 08:14 One of my favorite voices. 08:16 Some of these things and life here is not fair. 08:18 When we get to heaven, can you imagine, 08:20 we'll get to sing like that too? 08:22 But Neville is a great guy. 08:23 You said, you've traveled with him, 08:24 staying with him-- been with him in England. 08:26 Yeah, I have been with him in several speaking appointments 08:28 and he always adds so much to the preaching. 08:32 The music, he just makes the messages come home. 08:34 Very, very spiritual person. Yeah. 08:38 And I really love him. 08:39 He's one of our not only our friends 08:41 but one of my greatest singers I love to listen to. 08:45 And what a talent and I'm thankful 08:47 that he is on God's side. Amen. 08:48 Well, something tonight-- 08:50 you're watching this program tonight 08:52 that the last few weeks I have been watching 08:54 and I'm sure you have too, a lot of the election going on. 08:57 But one of the things here tonight, 08:58 you can be sure these folks are going to tell you the truth. 09:01 Because I have been listening to these elections 09:04 and it seems like both sides are having trouble. 09:06 You know, telling the truth 09:08 and no matter what one person does, 09:10 the other one dogs him 09:11 and then when he does the same thing, 09:12 the other side dogs him. 09:13 So don't you get tired of all that. 09:15 I'm ready to hear some "does saith the Lord." Yes. 09:18 And forget all of this battling going on. 09:20 And say, you know, the battle is the Lords. Yes. 09:23 And lets get involved in some good spiritual uplifting things. 09:26 You can--kind of get depressed when you turn on news. 09:29 Not just that but news in general. Absolutely. 09:32 That's going around, they love to put out bad news. 09:35 Tonight, folks, we got some good news. 09:37 So call your friends, your relatives, 09:38 your family, your enemies, everybody. 09:40 Tell them to turn on the 3ABN. 09:42 We got a couple of preachers here. 09:44 This gonna give us some good upbeat 09:46 positive word from the Lord. 09:48 But before we get into that, 09:50 we want you to talk about your ministries 09:52 and what's happened. 09:53 We know, David, of course from Arise. 09:55 You're from Light Bearers. 09:56 But I hear something that's happened sometime ago. 09:59 Tell us about it. 10:00 Well, it has been sometime ago. 10:02 So it's a little bit old news for a lot of people. 10:05 But about a year and half ago, is it more than 10:07 a year and a half now. Yeah, little bit. 10:08 Yeah, yeah going on two years ago, 10:11 our two ministries merged into one ministry. 10:14 And as you mentioned I have been involved 10:18 with Light Bearers for a number of years 10:20 and James Rafferty my partner now also David's partner 10:27 because three of us are basically running 10:29 these two ministry together. 10:31 And yeah, so Light Bearers 10:33 as a publishing ministry, preaching ministry, 10:35 evangelistic ministry over the years, 10:37 a video production ministry over the years 10:40 and then David with Arise-- how long that's, 10:44 how long has that been going on. 10:45 And what is it been involved in. 10:48 Well, we're presently in the middle of our-- 10:49 we're actually teaching right now. 10:51 We just have flown out. 10:53 We fly back, we're in the middle of our tenth class ever 10:56 and our twelfth year of doing Arise. 10:58 And Ty mentioned that Light Bearers was a publishing. 11:01 What did you say, publishing, preaching 11:03 and evangelism ministry. Yes, yeah. 11:04 And the great thing about the merger, 11:06 Danny, is that Arise was primarily 11:08 a training and preaching ministry. 11:10 So Ty has his preaching ministry, 11:13 James has his preaching ministry, 11:14 I have my preaching ministry 11:16 and we also Jeffery Rosario on board with us. 11:18 But there wasn't a lot of overlap 11:20 in terms of the other things that we were doing. 11:22 We were primarily involved in training. 11:24 They were primarily involved in publishing 11:26 and so it's been a very synergistic 11:29 and just synchronists coming together. 11:33 And you know I think we were sort of poised for the worse. 11:36 You know, you're sort of-- 11:38 you know you wait for the honeymoon period to past 11:40 and then you're like, you know, why do you do that. 11:41 And that's a little annoying. 11:43 But we're still smooth sailing. It's just been. 11:46 It has been phenomenally free of obstacles and difficulties. 11:51 There're people who warned us. 11:53 People said, you shouldn't try to merge two ministries, 11:56 especially with strong personalities, 11:59 Type A personalities who like to get things done 12:02 and have vision and like to lay plans and execute them. 12:06 People said, no you shouldn't 12:08 put personalities like that together 12:11 but we saw the Lord leading in this direction 12:14 and we had unanimous support from both of our ministries 12:19 both staff and board members. And supporters. 12:22 Yeah and supporters, everybody on both sides 12:25 the two ministries, when they saw the vision 12:28 for these two ministries working together 12:30 we had 100% support. 12:33 And so we hit the gas pedal and we've been sailing right. 12:35 And David mentioned, 12:37 I will just emphasize that right now while we're here, 12:39 we have 45 students. Wow. 12:41 That maybe some of them are watching this evening 12:45 and they're with us for four months. 12:47 That's the training program called Arise. 12:50 And David called it a training program, 12:53 it's also a discipleship program. 12:55 Imagine this, Danny, 12:57 45-50 mostly young people come together 13:01 and they essentially live with us 13:04 for three and a half months 13:06 and we interact with them around the word. 13:11 And we befriend them and they ask-- 13:14 and we just grow together spiritually 13:18 and that's the discipleship program. 13:19 That's what Arise was doing for nine years and continues to do. 13:23 Now it's a part of this merger. And it's just a blessing, so-- 13:28 Wonderful, well then I'm sure if I ask you the question, 13:31 you can answer the same as people have asked Jim Gilley 13:34 when he goes places. They ask me, CA. Murray said 13:36 everywhere I go, people will say, 13:38 you guys look like you just have so much fun 13:40 and you get along on T.V. 13:41 Now, tell us the truth how do you really get along. 13:45 Do you really like each other? Oh, he's my neighbor. 13:46 He's not only one of my co-directors. 13:47 Well, I can see his house. 13:49 I can throw a rock over his house. 13:50 We have binoculars actually in one of our windows. Yeah. 13:54 Do you really. 13:56 Well, see that's it-- Jim Gilley is my neighbor. 13:58 So we see each other and he has a barn 14:00 and lets me keep a couple of my horses in-- 14:03 in his barn but no one can go over there. 14:04 Yeah, I keep my cows over Ty's house. 14:05 We go, oh good, okay. 14:07 We go out to eat together 14:08 and of course we love each other. 14:09 And you guys too, I can tell that. 14:11 Yeah, we enjoy working together. 14:12 And that was the foundation of the merger, Danny. 14:15 Yeah, that's right. 14:17 It was the friendship that we've developed over the years. 14:19 And you've so much in common and I mean the direction 14:22 you guys are going ministry wise you want. 14:24 Yeah. You know. 14:25 The idea literally came up in a phone conversation 14:29 and neither one of us expected the idea to even come. 14:33 Just suddenly in a conversation, 14:36 we were talking and just envisioning 14:39 what could be done for the advancement of the gospel. 14:42 And just suddenly out of nowhere 14:44 we thought, well, wait a minute...wow. 14:46 May be we could work together Maybe we should work together. 14:48 Yeah, that would-- that's an idea. 14:49 And we just started exploring it. 14:52 And of course James, he was also 14:56 in the conversations as well as the thing 14:59 continued going after the initial conversation 15:01 that David and I had. 15:03 And James is one 100% in favor of this merger. 15:08 So it's been, it just been a blessing. 15:09 So we have a team of people 15:11 who are all about taking the gospel to the world as fast 15:14 and as far as possible and it's just a great joy. 15:17 And in pairs you can do more together than you could apart. 15:20 That was the question. That's right, yeah. 15:22 The way that we finally pulled the trigger on the merger 15:24 is we said this really comes down to a single question. 15:26 And the answer to that question 15:28 and that is can we do more jointly 15:30 than we could do separately. 15:33 And as soon as we felt that 15:34 the answer to that question was yes 15:35 and not just yes, but certainly yes. 15:38 Then it was just a matter of pulling the trigger 15:41 and we're almost two years into this 15:43 now, getting close to two years and-- 15:46 And I still like David. I like Ty more than I did. 15:50 I mean it's just-- Yeah, good. 15:51 It's one of those things where there were so many 15:54 little providential indications 15:55 and evidences along the way from James' side, 15:58 from our side, from Ty side that it was-- 16:01 you just fell like you're a part of something God was doing. 16:02 It wasn't something that the man sort of created 16:04 and put this thing together. 16:06 This was the thing that God was doing. 16:07 We were kind of along for the ride. 16:09 And when, when we are following 16:11 what the Lord is doing, what God is doing, 16:13 then we just have to sort of get on the board 16:15 and enjoy it and it's been awesome. 16:17 It's been exciting. 16:18 Isn't it exciting to work for the Lord? Oh, sure. 16:20 And to know that God has given you 16:22 a special message to give to the world. 16:24 And I've had people asked me. 16:25 Are you ever discouraged? Have you ever been? 16:27 I said, absolutely not. 16:28 But then it take millions of dollars year to for 3ABN. 16:31 I said, absolutely but that's not my problem, 16:34 that God's, He-- What He starts, 16:35 you know, He will finish it. Yeah. 16:36 As long as we're true to the message. 16:38 And then going back to what I was saying earlier. 16:41 Isn't it wonderful to work 16:44 and when you know that God is on your side? That's right. 16:47 And that He has given you a message 16:49 to get to world to see. 16:50 All of this we were watching on television, 16:52 it's particularly now. 16:53 There--nobody is going to fix this economy. 16:55 I don't care this side got this five point plan 16:58 and they got their five point. 16:59 I don't care if its 50 point and fifty point, 17:02 nobody is going to fix this economy. 17:03 Do you agree with that? I agree. 17:05 There is only one answer 17:06 that's going to fix all the problems 17:08 that we the human race has 17:10 and that's the Lord Jesus Christ. 17:11 And that's when we submit and commit our lives to Him 17:14 that we have an escape. 17:16 We're all born terminal, right. That's right. 17:17 And so the only way out of this mess 17:20 is not to depend on man but to depend on God. 17:22 So I'm gonna encourage you to do that tonight. Amen. 17:24 As we get into this. 17:25 But you guys speaking of ministry, 17:27 tell me about what I have in my hands a DVD. 17:29 And it says 'A Light in Zambia.' 17:31 Now, is this a free offer tonight? 17:33 That is the free offer tonight. 17:34 And we really want everybody to-- 17:36 its free number one. 17:38 But it's not free because it's something 17:41 that is of low quality or low interest. 17:44 Now, I'm going to keep this one 17:45 and you said it's free, so I've already. 17:47 This is a video that's only 28 minutes long 17:50 that documents our work, 17:52 the work of Light Bearers in Zambia 17:54 and it weaves the stories of three 17:58 maybe four individuals in Zambia together. 18:01 You'll encounter the stories of these people from Zambia 18:04 and how they've encountered the gospel 18:07 through the literature ministry of Light Bearers. 18:10 And it's free, we want people to get it 18:12 and you'll just love it. 18:14 A picture, picture paints a thousand words. 18:16 So you can call us at 618-627-4651 18:20 or you can email us freeoffer@3ABN.org, 18:24 freeoffer @3abn.org. 18:28 And call us 618-627-4651. 18:31 So we encourage each of you to get one of these 18:34 because right now I'm finding this more and more 18:37 and we become what we behold. 18:40 And the more that we put keep our eyes on the word of God 18:44 but a picture, thank the Lord for DVD's 18:46 because we want to see what you're doing. Yeah. 18:49 We want to be able to see it, not just here about it. 18:50 We want to be able to see it. 18:52 And today I was talking to Garwin McNeilus in Dodge Center. 18:58 He was telling me about a new project 19:01 and he says that he has got this, 19:03 I'll let him unveil it 19:05 but it's along the one-day school, one-day church. 19:08 And it's absolutely so incredible, 19:09 it brought me to tears 19:11 because it's going to be centered for young people. 19:14 And I said, you know, 19:16 when you think about what he is doing 19:18 and this we were talking about Chad today. 19:20 What they're doing and the vision they have 19:22 and the hope and encouragement bringing to children, 19:25 who might not otherwise have a chance, 19:27 not only physically in life 19:29 but spiritually and people care enough. That's right. 19:32 To say we're going to support this. 19:33 We're going to go forward and people like Neilus' 19:36 you know my hats off to you, McKee's. 19:39 All these other folk, Graham Rouse. 19:41 These folks who are out there, 19:42 the Smiths' in Canada, 19:43 that's out there giving in big ways. 19:46 They could all be relaxing and enjoying life 19:47 but you know what they're doing, 19:49 constantly what more can we do for Jesus. That's right. 19:51 And the question I think 19:52 we're going to have to face one day is, 19:54 what have you done for me when we face God? 19:57 What is it that we've done? 19:58 It's one thing for these guys to say, 20:00 you know, we're going to pray for you, Ty. 20:02 We're going to pray for you, David. 20:05 You know, and we pray for you. 20:07 But it's another thing to say, 20:08 we're going to pray for you 20:09 and financially support you. Yeah. 20:11 So I think all of us are blessed. 20:13 If you have a T.V. and you're able to watch this 20:16 and you got dish or you got whatever tells me 20:18 that you're ahead of most of the people on planet earth. 20:22 That tonight as you're listening, 20:23 we want you to pray and ask the Holy Spirit. 20:25 What would you have me to do 20:27 in support of this great ministry 20:29 of taking the gospel to the world. Amen. 20:31 All right, now I have done my talking for tonight. 20:33 So you two guys program 20:35 and I want you to lead us in this 'Territorial Forces'. 20:39 And tell us what's coming and what we're going to looking. 20:43 What we're facing between now when Jesus comes. 20:47 All right, Danny, well the premise of the concept 20:51 'Territorial Forces' is that our world planet earth 20:54 and the human race is a territory under dispute. Okay. 21:00 Okay, so the human race is in the crosshairs 21:05 as it were of an enemy 21:07 who is focused on taking this world 21:12 and individual human hearts, 21:13 men, women and children, cities, villages, countries, 21:18 the world as a whole. 21:19 There is an enemy whom scripture calls Satan, 21:24 a fallen angel, who has set his sights on overcoming 21:29 and taking the human race into his dominion. 21:33 So that's the first part of the story in short form 21:36 and then there is, there is a promised Warrior 21:41 that we're going to talk about tonight. Okay. 21:43 With a capital 'W.' 21:45 That from the very beginning of this great controversy 21:49 between good and evil would not let us go, 21:53 would not give us up-- 21:55 who determined to rescue the human race. 21:59 Okay, all right. 22:00 So this territory, that's under dispute 22:03 to rescue planet earth 22:05 and the human race from the dominion 22:08 of this foreign invading illegitimate lord. 22:14 And to take the world back 22:17 for righteousness and holiness and love 22:21 and to establish planet earth 22:25 as the center of God's kingdom in this universe. 22:29 The New Jerusalem itself will eventually be established here 22:32 and from one new moon to another 22:34 and from one Sabbath to another, 22:35 all flesh will come together to worship 22:38 the Lord on planet earth. 22:40 This very planet, the people, 22:44 the human race and this planet itself will be reclaimed 22:48 and taken back from the dominion of the enemy. 22:51 So that's the short form of this 'Territorial Forces'. 22:54 Good news though. That's right, that's right. 22:57 So some of the viewers will be familiar 23:00 with the concept under the terminology 23:04 the Great Controversy theme 23:06 or the Great Controversy narrative. 23:09 That's familiar language. 23:11 Territorial Forces is another way 23:14 of describing that biblical storyline. 23:18 With an emphasis on the fact 23:20 that the human race and planet earth is a territory. 23:24 God wants it and us and the devil wants it and us. 23:30 And so there is a great controversy. 23:31 There is a war going on. 23:34 So the Territorial Forces idea 23:36 that we're going to move through tonight, 23:38 we're going to take it in seven movements 23:41 or seven scenes. Okay. 23:42 I mean you could imagine it as a, as a movie. Okay. 23:45 If you want, you mention it sounds like a movie, 23:47 well, it's not a movie. 23:48 But it's definitely a storyline, it's a narrative. Okay. 23:51 And it begins in Genesis and it moves straight on through 23:55 to the Book of Revelation 23:57 and we're going to take in seven parts. Okay. 23:59 And maybe we'll just kind of flip back and forth 24:01 and comment, David, on you know, 24:05 you'll makes points and I will make points 24:07 and just interject. Sure. 24:09 So first of all movement number one or scene number one 24:15 is just the word dominion that's the word. 24:18 For those of you who are note takers. 24:21 Dominion is the first concept 24:23 and we find this in Genesis. All right. 24:25 Danny, go ahead and open your Bible 24:27 and we'll just look at this idea of dominion in scripture. 24:31 Now we know that our scripture begins 24:33 its story in Genesis 1:1. 24:37 The Bible simply says in the beginning 24:38 God created the heavens and the earth. 24:40 So right there we have territories. Okay. 24:43 Right and we're going to remember this language, 24:45 the heavens and the earth. 24:46 Because later on we're going to see 24:48 that in scripture the heavens 24:50 and the earth are two regions of the territory. 24:56 And the Lord has actually given the earth to earthlings 24:59 to human beings to be our dominions 25:01 and we see that here so. 25:02 "God created the heavens and the earth." 25:03 Chapter 1:1 and then look at verse 26. 25:06 Now lots of people are familiar with this verse 25:08 but we're going to-- we're just going to add 25:10 a part here that we rarely ever look at or read. 25:13 It says, "Then God said." 25:15 Verse 26, "Let us make man in our image 25:20 according to our likeness and let them have dominion." 25:25 Now this is very interesting. 25:26 Let's make man in our own image. 25:28 So we can go one of the few ways with this. 25:30 Either God is saying, 25:31 "Hey, let's makes beings that look like us." 25:35 That is physical resemblance. 25:37 That's really not the point here. Okay. 25:39 It's not the physically resemblance, 25:41 it's character resemblance. Okay. 25:43 It's likeness in nature. 25:46 Now we're not God and never will be. 25:48 He is God and always will be. 25:50 But He created us in His image 25:52 and that means that He created us 25:53 as free moral agents. Okay. 25:56 As autonomous creatures that have the ability, 26:00 the power to create, to procreate children of course 26:06 and to enlarge the human race, 26:08 which He later on says, "Be fruitful and multiply." 26:11 But also to create history in the wake of our actions. 26:15 We are autonomous creatures. 26:17 We're freewill creatures. 26:18 It's an incredible thing that this God 26:21 who Himself is ultimately free would say, 26:24 "Hey, lets make beings 26:27 that function and operate the way we do." 26:30 Let's make beings that can actually govern. 26:34 That can think and feel and execute 26:37 their thoughts and feelings in actions. 26:39 That's what is happening here. 26:41 And so you have the word here 'dominion.' 26:44 God said give them dominion over the fish, 26:47 over the whole earth is then indicated as their domain, 26:51 as their domicile we might say. Okay. 26:54 So you got the man and the woman Adam and Eve 26:56 and their progeny that are about to come forth 26:59 from their loins and they are to fill the earth with beauty. 27:04 They're to expand the Garden of Eden. 27:07 God planted the garden 27:08 to begin with just this one little plot of land. 27:10 God said, look at the beauty around you. 27:12 I want you to just with your own creativity 27:14 and your own freewill just beautify it. 27:18 Just enlarge the garden until it encompasses 27:20 the whole world and have lots of children. 27:23 The earth was to be this in the original plan 27:26 this beautiful Garden of Eden. 27:29 The whole thing just this beautiful garden 27:32 of pleasure and beauty and ecstasy 27:35 for ever and ever and ever 27:36 with not one little ripple of discomfort. Yeah. 27:38 That was the plan. Okay. 27:40 And that was our domain in God's universe 27:44 so that's the first movement, the first scene. Okay. 27:47 In the story. It's a good one. 27:48 Dominion. It's a good scene. 27:50 There're other scriptures that illustrates that as well. 27:52 Let me just read one text to that effect, 27:53 Ty, just to sort of buttress to what you've said there. 27:55 This is Psalm 115:16. 27:57 You've mentioned the division there 28:00 between the heavens and the earth. 28:02 And this is Psalm 115:16 28:05 it says, "The heaven, 28:07 even the heavens, are the Lord's, 28:10 but the earth he has given to the children of men." 28:13 So here's this idea of dominion. 28:15 That the heavens belonged to the Lord 28:17 but the earth He gave to men. 28:19 He put them in charge with. 28:20 In this case we're talking in the Garden of Eden. 28:22 It's Adam and Eve. 28:25 But there was also a place of dominion 28:29 within the garden. Yes. 28:31 And that place of dominion was a little, 28:35 I guess, you'd say an enemy stronghold 28:37 or an enemy territory 28:38 even within the dominion there in Eden. 28:41 And that was the tree of the knowledge 28:42 of good and evil where Satan-- 28:44 we're kind of getting a little ahead of the story. 28:46 But just to make the point clear that God has His dominion, 28:50 that's the heavens and then the man was given his dominion 28:52 and that's the earth. 28:53 But even there was a dominion 28:55 at the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, 28:57 where the enemy himself had a space. 29:00 He had a place that he couldn't just wander freely 29:03 wherever he wanted to go, but he was there. 29:05 That was his place, that was his space. 29:07 He wanted to expand his governmental principles, 29:10 and his ideas, and his perspective 29:12 on who and what God was. 29:13 So even in the opening chapters of scripture 29:16 in Genesis 1, 2 and especially 3. 29:18 You have the sense that there is a conflict, 29:20 there is a dispute something is amiss. 29:23 Something is going on. 29:24 Yeah, yeah, isn't that incredible thought, 29:26 think about it, Danny. 29:28 The devil began his career as a politician. 29:31 Oh, have mercy. 29:33 He began his career as a politician. 29:34 Oh, no. As David would-- 29:36 I think he's just gonna be a film actor. 29:37 We're back. This is politics again. 29:38 This is going to be a theme. 29:39 We want to avoid politics 29:40 but the thing is the great controversy, 29:42 check this out, Danny. 29:43 Check this out, the great controversy, 29:45 is in essence a political battle. 29:46 In fact, in Revelation 12, 29:50 we have this line that is just so filled with meaning. 29:55 It says, "War broke out in heaven." 29:59 Or King James Version, "There was war in heaven." 30:01 Just straight into the point. There was war in heaven. 30:04 The word war there in the Greek is 'polemos' 30:06 from which we get English words like politics 30:09 and poles and polemic. All right. 30:12 And yeah so, but here's what happening. 30:15 As David pointed out 30:16 that devil was kind of staking out his territory 30:19 at the tree of the knowledge of the good and evil 30:21 and hoping that Adam and Eve would approach, 30:24 so that he could then expand that territory 30:27 and that's precisely what happened Danny. 30:29 So that brings us to scene two. Okay. 30:31 Movement two of the story and that is abdication. 30:37 So for the note takers 30:38 for those who want to just really grasp this material. 30:43 Abdication is the next word in the story. 30:46 So, Ty, just quickly for us 30:48 for some who may not know that word. 30:50 What are we talking about? What are some synonyms? 30:52 Okay, to abdicate means to yield or to give up, 30:58 to move from a position in which you have authority 31:03 to giving that authority over to somebody else. 31:06 So it's a trans, it's a word of transfer. 31:09 It means that you're transferring authority. 31:12 Now, we know in the story 31:14 that Adam and Eve have been given 31:16 or delegated dominion authority over planet earth, right. 31:22 But now they through their exercise, 31:25 through the exercise of their freewill, 31:27 they abdicate they yield, they give the authority. 31:32 Satan may be an important point later on you may get to. 31:36 So Satan didn't take it, they gave it. He deceived. 31:39 Yeah, that's a very good point. 31:42 He deceived them but he couldn't, 31:45 he couldn't actually bypass their freewill. 31:49 To say he had the dominion 31:50 and they had freewill over the earth. 31:52 So you're right, he didn't take it by force. 31:55 He took it by deception. Okay. 31:56 Which means he had to work open 31:58 their thinking process and bring, 32:01 you know, bring their freewill over to deceit. 32:04 And we find that when you mentioned there, 32:06 Ty, that you know Satan really is postured up, 32:08 he sort of looks like a politician 32:10 he does, I mean-- Yeah. 32:11 You have this language in Revelation 12, 32:14 war, polemos in heaven. 32:16 But even just there in Genesis 3, 32:17 you just get a sense that not everything is on the up and up. 32:20 Has God indeed said, 32:21 "You shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" 32:23 Oh, he knows that in the day that you eat there up 32:26 you have this political posturing 32:28 and positioning. It's right. 32:30 And I love your point there, 32:31 Danny, it's something that I just I like it. 32:33 I like the clarity of it, the simplicity of it. 32:36 It wasn't Satan's to take, 32:37 God didn't set the great controversy up 32:39 to be a fistfight or a battle, 32:42 you know, in some sort of a physical melee. 32:45 No, he has to persuade them, he has to talk to them, 32:48 he has to usurp God's standing in their minds 32:52 before he can get them to abdicate 32:54 and say oh, hey, "Take what was given to us." 32:57 I like that. 32:58 So you're talking about him, so around here 32:59 we say he was politician. Yeah. 33:01 That's right. He was politician. 33:02 Exactly what he was doing. 33:03 Exactly, so-- very interesting, 33:05 I'll just stir on one quick thing here 33:06 for those that want to go a little deeper. 33:09 One of the major passages in the Old Testament, 33:11 Ezekiel 28. 33:12 It sort of depicts what Satan was doing 33:14 when he was Lucifer before the transition to Satan. 33:18 He uses a very interesting words, 33:19 it says "that by the multitude of your traffic." 33:22 or "merchandize" King James says, 33:23 two times it uses this in Ezekiel 28. 33:26 "By your trafficking, by your merchandizing" 33:29 and it's an interesting idea. 33:30 It basically is that he had something to sell. 33:33 He was selling something. Wow, that's deep. 33:35 That's right. It is, it is. 33:36 It's very interesting in the word there 33:38 the root word, the Hebrew root word there means to gossip. 33:42 It's the same root word. 33:43 He had--he wasn't selling where is your items or widgets, 33:47 he was selling a picture. Wow, ideas. 33:49 He was selling ideas. And Eve bought the ideas. 33:55 Now scripture says in the New Testament 33:56 that Adam wasn't so sure about the ideas 33:58 but he was really sure about Eve. That's right. 34:02 They took their romance too far. Yeah, he did. 34:04 He should have had more blueberries 34:05 and exercise extra. That's right. 34:07 So we move from dominion to abdication. 34:09 It's just the basic concept, 34:11 that God gives people the ability and forces, 34:14 angelic forces as well to rule delegation. 34:18 And then here now we've transitioned to abdication. 34:20 So that sort of establish there. 34:22 Let's wrap some scripture around the abdication idea. Okay. 34:26 This is pretty important to bring the Bible 34:29 to bear upon the subject. 34:30 So Adam and Eve are coregents over earth. 34:34 It is their domain. 34:37 And then the biblical story continues to unfold 34:39 and they abdicate. 34:41 They move, they transfer the earth 34:45 as a territory out of their control 34:47 and authority into the control 34:49 and authority of the enemy. 34:50 David referenced Genesis 3 34:54 as the story of how that actually happened. 34:57 After Genesis 3 the Bible continues to unfold 35:00 and you see indications very clear, 35:03 explicit indications 35:05 that there was in fact a transfer that took place. 35:07 Now, the most--you would want to look this one up. 35:10 This is pretty important in Luke 4. 35:12 Luke 4 is a very strong indication 35:17 that Satan became as it were the ruler of this world. 35:24 Chapter 4 of the Gospel of Luke 35:27 and this is the temptation in the wilderness with Jesus 35:31 and the devil has three temptations 35:33 and here is one of them in verses 5 and 6. 35:35 It says "Then the devil taking him." 35:38 That is Jesus "up on a high mountain showed him." 35:41 Notice the language here, Danny. 35:43 "He showed him all the kingdoms of the world 35:47 in a moment of time." 35:48 So they're standing there-- get--this is incredible 35:51 and Jesus in a flash, 35:53 He sees all the kingdoms of the nations of the world. 35:58 And He sees all people of the world. 36:00 And then verse 6, 36:02 "And the devil said to him all this authority." Wow. 36:07 "I will give you and the glory, 36:10 for this has been delivered to me 36:14 and I give it to whomever I wish." Wow. 36:18 So there is a back story here obviously 36:20 because Satan is talking in terms of something 36:23 that has occurred in the past. 36:25 He is saying to Jesus "I will give you the whole world 36:29 and all of its authority in glory." 36:31 How can I do that? 36:32 Well, because it was given to me. 36:34 Somebody gave it to me. 36:35 That's interesting because Jesus in Matthew 28:18 says, 36:39 "All authority or power is given me." 36:42 Exactly, in which we'll be getting to 36:43 because that's where the story goes. Okay. 36:45 You're exactly right. Okay, all right. 36:47 That's encouraging that you will think of that scripture 36:49 because that shows that this story 36:52 is very clearly outlined in scripture. Okay. 36:54 So what's happening here, this is astounding, 36:57 the devil is basically claiming-- 36:59 He is still politician again. 37:01 Yeah, somebody gave me the earth. 37:03 Well, who gave him the earth in the story? 37:05 And Jesus the critical point for me here, Ty, 37:08 is that Jesus does not dispute 37:09 that it's Satan's to give. That's right. 37:12 He had no point, says, wait a minute 37:13 this doesn't belong to you. 37:14 No its-- he understands by the principles 37:17 of the delegation and abdication, 37:20 you are correct in offering this to me, 37:24 the means by which you're offering 37:25 it is illegitimate. Right. 37:26 But the fact that you're offering it. Okay. 37:28 He doesn't dispute that its illegitimate offer. Wow. 37:30 In fact, David, think about this. 37:32 There are scriptures in which Jesus Himself 37:36 and the Apostle Paul acknowledges. Totally. 37:39 The position of the enemy. Yeah. 37:41 John 12:31, for example. 37:44 Where Jesus says "The ruler of this world is cast down." 37:47 Now, Jesus at that point is talking about the fact 37:49 that He is in the process of overcoming the enemy. 37:52 But He calls them by a title, the ruler of this world. 37:57 And he uses that, he uses that phrase three times. 37:59 You'll find that phrase three times 38:01 in the Gospel of John, "the ruler of this world, 38:03 the ruler of this world, the ruler of this world." 38:04 Some translation, it's the prince. 38:07 It's actually the Greek word archon 38:09 which is archon, which arch, 38:11 just what it sounds like, like the archangel 38:14 is the one who is the head of the angels. 38:16 The archion in first century Greek was basically 38:21 the highest governmental ruler of the land. 38:25 So today like the archion of a city would be a what? 38:29 What would we call that? A mayor. 38:31 We call the mayor 38:32 or would we call the archion of a state. 38:33 A governor. A governor. 38:35 Or of a country maybe a prime minister or a president. 38:38 So its fascinating that Jesus not only doesn't dispute 38:41 that its Satan's to give, 38:43 He actually affirms the basic concept 38:45 and He says, "The ruler of this world has come 38:47 and he's nothing in me. 38:48 The ruler of this world has come but he will be judged." 38:50 Well, help me then. 38:51 Are you saying for those of us 38:53 who are at home, are you saying then 38:54 because, you know, we see the scripture, 38:56 Satan as a prince of this earth and such and such, 38:59 that he was but he didn't get that from God. 39:02 We're going to get there. We're going to get there. 39:03 Okay, you're gonna tell us where he got it from? 39:05 He got it through his politicking. 39:06 Okay, I won't go-go ahead, okay. 39:08 Yeah, he got it through his politicking. Okay. 39:09 Yeah, he took the earth 39:12 by illegitimate means. That's right. 39:15 And Jesus comes to the world to reclaim it. 39:19 I never thought about what you just said. 39:21 I have never thought about, 39:22 you know, Jesus didn't debate him on that. 39:24 That's right. You know because-- 39:25 But what about the Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 4:4? 39:28 This is one of the most astonishing scriptures 39:30 in the New Testament. Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. 39:31 The Apostle Paul literally calls Satan, 39:34 the god of this age. 39:38 The god of this age. Okay, wow. 39:39 And it's the same word God that's used 39:41 in the New Testament is Theos. 39:42 He is the God of this world. 39:45 Now another word we want to introduce here would be 39:48 that he is the god of this age 39:49 but it's a position he has by usurping it, usurpation. 39:53 Yeah, okay. He has taken it. 39:55 Its not legitimate, God disputes the claims. Okay. 39:58 Hence we have the great controversy. 39:59 But you'll find this other places in scripture 40:02 for example in Ephesians 2:2. He is called by another title. 40:07 He's called the prince of the power of the air. 40:10 Now that doesn't mean he has control 40:12 over the oxygen supply. Yeah. 40:15 Its not air in that sense. 40:16 Air is being used there in a metaphoric sense. 40:19 So a good way to translate that is 40:21 that he is the prince of the power 40:25 of the prevailing culture of our world. Okay. 40:30 He is the prince of the power 40:32 of the prevailing moral malaise of the world. 40:36 He is the one that is as it were pushing the moral buttons 40:41 to push culture in the direction of self-centeredness 40:46 and greed and lust. And oppression. 40:49 Yeah, and oppression and injustice 40:50 and all those things. Okay. 40:52 1 John, I think its 1 John 5:19 40:56 another word is used. 40:58 Its says, that the "whole world 40:59 lies under the sway of the wicked one." 41:02 So the word 'sway,' what is sway mean? 41:04 Well, sway-- Influence. 41:06 Influence exactly, there is an atmosphere 41:09 that's exerting an influence 41:11 and the world is swayed by the devil. 41:13 One of the words that's sometimes 41:15 used for this is the word Zeitgeist. 41:16 Do you heard that word before? 41:17 It's a German word. It's a German word Zeitgeist. 41:19 Its just means the spirit of the age. 41:23 The spirit of the age. The prevailing opinion. 41:25 The prevailing Zeitgeist. 41:27 It's just, it's just the way the things are 41:29 and Satan, the lust of the flesh, 41:31 the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. 41:33 Let's be honest, that's the principles 41:34 upon which this world operates. Yeah. 41:36 Like right now for example the Zeitgeist 41:38 or the generally accepted spirit of our age in politics 41:42 is for politicians to lie about one another 41:45 and it's just, it's just part of the--it's just accepted. 41:48 And if you were to pause backup and think about it, 41:51 you wouldn't vote for a liar. 41:55 Right? Yeah. 41:57 But the fact is that it's so acceptable 42:01 that you only have two options, 42:03 Liar A or Liar B. 42:05 I mean its astounding thing. That's the idea there. 42:09 Now there is one more scripture 42:10 and David this one we spent time talking about in the past, 42:16 not recently but in the past and its astounding 42:19 and that is that the devil in Job 42:22 comes sauntering in. Yeah. 42:24 To a heavenly conclave or congress of some kind. 42:28 It says there was a day when the sons of God came, 42:32 that means they traveled from territories 42:34 where they reside in the universe. 42:36 Paul calls them principalities and powers 42:39 are rulers and authorities in the heavenly realm. 42:41 So it says there was a day 42:42 when the sons of God came to present themselves 42:45 before the Lord. So here's the Lord. 42:47 It really bespeaks organizations. Exactly. 42:49 There was a time, there was a place. 42:51 Yeah, I like that. 42:52 Were called in a meeting. Okay. 42:53 The Lord calls a meeting. 42:54 And so the sons of God, the representative heads, 42:57 we don't have time to prove this 42:58 but the representative heads of other worlds, 43:00 come together before the Lord. 43:02 And then this line 43:03 "And Satan came also among them." Yeah. 43:07 So here comes the devil 43:08 into this heavenly congress meeting, okay. 43:11 This parliamentary gathering of the rulers 43:15 of the universe with God, the chief ruler. 43:18 He comes into the meeting and notice what the Lord says 43:22 and this is in Job 1. 43:25 The Lord says I'll use the King James Version 43:27 because it sounds better here. 43:29 "From Whence comest thou." 43:32 He's saying from where do you come? 43:34 He doesn't say, what are you doing here? 43:37 He doesn't even say get out of here. 43:40 He is asking for point of origin. 43:42 He is asking for territorial. 43:44 What right do you have to be here? 43:45 Who you're representing? Yeah, who are you representing? 43:47 That's a better way to say. Yeah, okay. 43:50 So what does the devil say in so many words, 43:52 he says from walking to and fro 43:55 and up and down in the earth. 43:57 Okay, so what does he do? 43:58 He's claiming planet earth 44:00 as his territory in God's universe 44:02 and he's basically saying, 44:04 I have a right to be here in this meeting. 44:05 If all these other rulers of other worlds can be here, 44:09 I can be here to represent the planet that belongs to me. 44:12 Because after all you've created earth 44:14 and it's a world too. That's right. 44:18 You know. And I have control of it. 44:20 Now God even there 44:22 just briefly, preliminarily he begins to dispute 44:26 the legitimacy of Satan's claim. 44:28 It's an area under dispute because he says, 44:30 you think you represent earth. 44:32 Have you considered my servant Job 44:33 that he doesn't and he doesn't and he doesn't-- Okay. 44:36 Then you get into this, so then notice what happens. 44:38 I might be cutting you off for the time 44:39 but the next level of sort of escalation is that he says, 44:42 well, off course Job does, he honors you 44:45 and because does Job fear God for nothing, 44:47 you're looking out for him. 44:49 He's basically suggesting 44:50 in front of the on looking parliament there. 44:53 Well you've bought him off. 44:55 Of course I mean you have given him all these things. 44:57 And so what you have here in job 44:59 is the great controversy in cinematic vision 45:03 of who legitimately has the territory of earth. 45:08 Yeah, I love that, David 45:09 because the devil lays claim to earth. 45:12 And the Lord responds by pointing to a man. 45:15 Yeah, that's right. 45:16 Have you considered my servant Job, 45:17 so in a sense here the devil is claiming the earth 45:20 and the Lord is saying, I have a foothold though. 45:25 I have somebody who represents me, 45:27 my principles in my kingdom still in the world, 45:29 his name is Job. 45:31 The Lord is basically saying, 45:33 we're not giving this great controversy up. 45:36 We're not giving the world over to you. 45:38 We're still working. That's true. 45:40 So when this great controversy and Jobs-- 45:43 Where there is life, there is hope. That's right. 45:44 And so I still have some good people there, 45:47 Job is one of them. 45:48 So I'm not just going to give this world to you. 45:50 And Job was a territory 45:52 that the Lord was holding in this world 45:55 in revolt against God's kingdom. 45:57 Because then the devil says 45:59 "have you not surrounded him on every side 46:01 and put a hedge about him." It's very interesting. 46:04 That the hedge that's about him, 46:05 people says, well, what does that mean, was it, was it? 46:08 Was it a garden? Was it a garden? 46:09 Bunch of bushes or what? 46:10 Well, no the Bible says 46:13 "that the angel of the Lord encamps around those." Okay. 46:17 "Who fear him." 46:19 In other words, the Lord is basically put a protective pad. 46:22 There's a beachhead, there's a beachhead 46:24 at Satan's territory. Okay. 46:26 And the angels are protecting, 46:28 protecting, Job and basically Satan says, 46:32 but remove the hedge, 46:33 remove your restraint and I'll get to him. 46:36 And he won't serve you any longer. 46:37 But wasn't he accusing God of something unfair. 46:41 In other words, if he put a hedge 46:43 and protected Job from sin, 46:44 why didn't He do to everybody else there? 46:46 So who really put that hedge up was it God or was it Job. 46:51 Was it Job's submission to God that God says, 46:55 I can bless you. It's not either or it's both. 46:58 It's a cooperative effort. Okay. 46:59 It's Job, here, there is this idea in scripture 47:02 that I refer to as moral authority or moral speak. 47:07 In the Book of Ezekiel for example, 47:09 the Lord indicates that there is murder 47:12 and oppression and slavery and thievery in the land. 47:16 Therefore, there is a hole in the wall. Okay. 47:19 And I'm looking for somebody to stand in the breach, 47:22 in the hole in the wall and to mend this wall 47:26 by moral rectitude and by prayer. 47:28 And then one of saddest lines in scriptures, 47:30 it says that I looked all over the earth 47:32 for somebody who would stand in the breach 47:33 and I couldn't find anybody. 47:35 I couldn't find anybody who would pray for the land 47:38 that I would not have to destroy it. 47:39 And so there is this idea that God 47:41 puts a protective hedge around people. 47:44 But the immorality that's going on in a city, 47:46 a nation or land, speaks on an authoritative level 47:50 in the legal rules of engagement in the great controversy. 47:54 The devil is saying wait a minute. 47:56 You're protecting these people 47:57 but obviously they're voting for me. 47:59 They don't want Your protection 48:00 because the principles they're operating on are my principles. 48:04 They belong to me. 48:05 There is murder and theft in this land. 48:08 You can't keep me away from them for long. 48:11 And so there is a breach in the wall and God is saying, 48:13 would somebody please pray. Yeah. 48:15 So that the angels can kind of stitch up 48:20 their protection around this city or this nation. 48:24 It's a fascinating concept. 48:25 It's enlightening but it's very scary too 48:27 when we look at the very situation we're in here today. 48:31 Other words you've said, you even incorporated a country. 48:33 If this country builds its foundation 48:36 from where it was and we changed that 48:38 to one that's anti-God, by enacting laws 48:42 or by supporting anti-biblical 48:45 when we do that, then we are basically, 48:47 God has not-- We're saying God, 48:49 we don't want You to protect us because-- 48:50 That's the idea, yeah. 48:51 Satan says, you don't have a right. 48:53 And you're going to, we're going to see 48:54 as we continue on here 48:56 as we get especially to the fourth scene, 48:58 we are in the second right now. 49:00 We'll probably just go quickly through the third 49:02 but when we get to that fourth scene. 49:03 This whole idea of countries 49:05 and actual geographical places 49:08 being overseen and superintended 49:12 by demonic forces is a biblical idea. 49:15 Okay. Yeah. It's heavy. 49:16 It's heavy and it's big. 49:18 We're not talking about little cute 49:19 nice little quaint spiritual, this is boom. 49:22 Yeah. It's a heavy stuff. 49:23 This is the great controversy between good and evil. 49:26 It's not the little controversy. 49:27 Yeah, it's the great controversy. 49:28 Yeah, the great one. 49:29 And it's happening right here on planet earth. I'm loving it. 49:31 Well, we got about eight minutes 49:33 for you to go ahead with this part 49:35 and then the next hour. 49:37 We're going to just center in on this. 49:39 And we've time for questions, okay. 49:41 If we don't we want to get this. 49:42 We want you to take your time. 49:43 This is very enlightening, 49:44 I hope that's the name of your new book 49:47 is the Territorial Forces. 49:49 And it's what's in contained is 49:51 what we are studying here tonight. 49:52 But, David, we could mention that these ideas 49:54 we've recently written up in a publication 49:57 that is available for free. For free. 50:00 Oh, that's what we need too-- 50:01 And that publication is called Territories 50:06 and it's our yearend report. 50:08 It's being published right now. Okay. 50:09 Anybody who wants that, we'll send him a free copy. 50:11 And it outlines all these ideas and many more. 50:12 All right, and when we get the DVD they order this, 50:15 your address will be on there or contact information, 50:18 so they can then. Great, that's wonderful. 50:20 Just to tell them, just ask for 50:21 the publication called Territories. 50:23 Yeah, this stuff is really great stuff, we need it. 50:26 Okay, so number three. 50:28 Okay, so right now we've done scene one which is Dominion. 50:33 Scene two, which is Abdication. 50:35 Okay and now scene three. 50:38 In scene three is where the good news 50:41 begins to be brought to our attention 50:43 and we can call it a Warrior Promised. 50:47 A Warrior Promised and it's in Genesis 3:15. 50:52 Genesis 3:15. 50:53 Now Genesis 3:15 is the first gospel promise 50:58 and it's the first gospel prophecy, 51:00 because it's a prophecy, because its foretelling. 51:03 It's a promise because there's God making a pledge 51:06 that He's going to actually follow through 51:08 and do something on behalf of the human race. 51:11 Now the back story of course, 51:13 is that Adam and Eve had dominion. 51:15 They abdicated and in that context of them 51:18 abdicating the earth, giving the earth over to the enemy. 51:22 Genesis 3:15 is this promise of a coming warrior. 51:28 Genesis 3:15, God says, now, it's interesting, 51:31 He's speaking to the devil 51:34 just so we know the context here. 51:35 He is speaking to the devil in the hearing of Adam and Eve. 51:39 Okay, all right. 51:40 So he says, I will put enmity-- 51:44 What's that, what's that word mean? 51:45 Enmity, hostility, Hostility, hatred, antagonism. 51:49 Yeah. Okay. 51:51 Hostility would be a good word. Okay. 51:53 Okay, so God says "I will put hostility enmity 51:57 between you and the woman that you is the devil." 52:01 The serpent that is there in the garden 52:03 that tempted and led to their fall. 52:05 "I will put enmity between you the devil and the woman 52:09 between your seed and her seed and he." 52:13 Singular, okay, "He shall bruise your head." 52:17 Somebody is going to bruise your head Satan. 52:20 "And you'll bruise his heel." 52:21 Now in other version it says, 52:23 you will injure his heel 52:28 as he crushes your head. 52:31 So something is happening here, it's very dynamic. Okay. 52:34 So you're going to explain for some of our viewers 52:36 what woman he's talking about things like that. 52:38 Well, the woman here in the immediate context is Eve 52:42 and in the broader prophetic and covenantal concept, 52:46 it is the lineage of the woman. Yeah. 52:48 So God is, God is redeeming. 52:50 He is on a redemption effort here. 52:52 He is redeeming the woman and later on in scripture, 52:55 the woman takes on the personified, 53:01 the personification of the church. Okay. 53:03 Israel is a woman that God is in the process 53:06 of winning as his bride and the church is as a woman? 53:09 So in the immediate context, it's Eve. 53:12 But it's projecting forward to this larger symbolism 53:15 that will develop down through time. 53:17 And the seed of the woman, 53:19 the woman is the one through whom progeny comes. 53:23 There is a lineage and there is going to be 53:25 somebody basically the promise is saying this. 53:28 God is saying to the devil. 53:29 Listen, you just took the earth from Eve, from Adam and Eve 53:36 but I'm going to send someone through the woman's body. Wow. 53:40 This is the first biblical promise 53:42 of the incarnation. Wow, okay. 53:44 I'm going to send somebody through her body. 53:46 A baby is going to be born on the scene of human history 53:50 and when that baby is born, he's going to be a warrior. 53:54 He's going to engage you 53:56 and He's going to crush the head of the serpent Satan 54:02 and in the process He will sustain wounding 54:04 and injuring Himself. 54:06 So Jesus was injured in the process. 54:10 He was crucified before that He was incarnate. 54:13 He took human nature. 54:14 He condescended to become a member of the human race. 54:17 And there's every reason 54:19 to believe in the New Testament 54:20 that He will retain that injury if you will, 54:23 that limitation of becoming human 54:25 for all eternity in future. 54:27 So Jesus would be wounded 54:29 in the process of conquering the devil. 54:32 The context here, Danny, which is so fascinating 54:36 is that is in the context of this territory 54:38 being transferred to his control 54:41 and basically in short-hand the Lord is saying, 54:45 you may have won this battle but I'm going to win the war. 54:48 I'm taking the earth back. 54:50 I just want you to know, heads up. All right. 54:53 You may have taken something here. 54:54 But I'm taking the earth back. 54:56 I'm taking the human race back. 54:58 And it's going to happen through a girl. 55:00 He actually says him, you're gonna be beat up by a girl. 55:04 A woman is going to whip you. 55:06 That's right. That's right. 55:08 I love what you say there, Ty. 55:09 I think it's important that we recognize it. 55:10 This is both a promise because God is pledging Himself. 55:13 He's committing Himself to the conflict. 55:16 But it's also a prophecy and that it foretells, 55:19 forecasts that it's going to happen. 55:21 It hasn't yet happened but it will happen in the future 55:25 and so the whole of scripture really pivots 55:28 on two sides of this event. 55:31 This event of Christ coming into humanity 55:34 and the holy history of Jesus, 55:36 the first side of that seesaw 55:38 is the anticipation of the coming warrior. 55:41 I like that language. 55:43 And then the second half is living in the light 55:45 of the victory gained by that warrior. 55:47 So everything is anticipation, anticipation, anticipation, 55:50 till we get to the New Testament. 55:51 And then we'll talk about what takes place there 55:53 and we're now living in the light of the victory 55:56 that he has actualized for us. 55:58 We can call it realization. Anticipation, realization. 56:03 I love Detroit Bonhoeffer has this great, 56:06 great line in which he talks about 56:08 that the victory is not ours to gain, 56:10 the victor is ours to trust. Oh, okay. 56:14 Yeah, its not, you gain the victory, you gain, no, no. 56:18 We trust in him 56:19 who has gained the victory. Has gained the victory. 56:21 But at this point in the story, this is just promised. Yes. 56:24 And of course, Satan, he is going to resist that. 56:26 His, the hair is going to stand up 56:28 on the back of his neck so to speak. 56:29 He's going to say, oh, you want a piece of me. 56:32 Okay, game on. 56:33 Because he's already won a third of the angels in heaven. 56:35 So he's feeling really good about his chances. 56:37 Okay. He does. 56:38 He's just got Adam and Eve here and had them abdicate. 56:42 So when God essentially challenges him 56:44 to a conflict to a battle, 56:47 Satan must be feeling very good. Bring it on. 56:49 Yeah, he's feeling very good about his chances. 56:51 He has no idea what's coming his way. 56:53 Now, he anticipates it will be a battle of force. Yeah. 56:57 But the way that God will win the war 56:59 is in a totally out of it's not seen, its not expected. 57:03 There is a divine humility here too, Danny, 57:05 because there is no way for him to know what's coming. 57:08 This one who is speaking and saying that 57:11 someone is going to come to crush your head. 57:13 What the Lord doesn't say here is it will be 'Me.' Okay. 57:16 God Himself will become a human being. 57:19 We're going have to keep that thought 57:20 and when we come back we're done how many points. 57:22 One to three. Three, what are they. 57:23 Real quick. 57:24 Number one is Dominion. Number two is Abdication. 57:27 Number 3 is the Promise of the Warrior. 57:29 I can just tell you now. 57:30 When I was a kid, if I had to come to home 57:32 and use the word abdication in my house. 57:34 My dad would whip me on the spot. 57:37 And ask questions later. 57:38 Several words you guys say had made me nervous. 57:42 We'll take a break, we'll back in just a moment. |
Revised 2014-12-17