Hello, and welcome
to 3ABN today live.
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Thank you for
joining us as you do each and
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everyday and
especially this live program and
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it's made every
Thursday night to be
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able to
communicate back and forth
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with our viewers.
And tonight we give
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them an, an
opportunity to interact
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with this, don't we?
Yeah, I like to spend
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the two hours again
and so you can be a little
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more relax, little
more lazy, dig into the
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subject little bit
more. And we've got a whale
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of a subject
tonight. Why, why don't you
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introduce our guest tonight?
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We started out
laughing before we, yeah we did,
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from the time we sat
down, but our guest is
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Cheri Peters and
the figment of her
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imagination Danny
because for years we
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heard about
this guy, who nobody,
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who nobody saw,
she kept saying my
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husband, my
husband. And I thought it was
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like you know that
that, that, that movie about
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that guy who had that
invisible rabbit, yeah.
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Harvey, Harvey,
yeah, Jamie Stewart.
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Yeah, we figured,
we figured Cheri admits
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that, when she was
younger she did a little
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drugs you know, so we
figured that this Brad
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was like the
rabbit, okay, because no one
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has seen just I had
not seen, yeah, it had not
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hurt, but we
kept hearing this guy,
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there is this
guy. Yeah, for years.
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And I wondered
who, who married Cheri
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Peters you know,
yeah. I just years ago,
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I used to wonder
who, who would marry Ellen
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White, the founder
of the church you know
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who is the guy
that could sort of hang,
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handle her, so when
a, when the biography
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came out, the
biography came about James,
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I've read it cover-to-
cover to find out who is
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the guy who could stay
marry to the founder of
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the Adventist Church.
And I found out that he
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was more than a
match to Ellen White.
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Oh! Yeah, James White
was a tough guy, okay.
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So, now I'm wondering,
well who is the guy you
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know who, who could
handle Cheri Peters.
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I'm not sure he's
handling it, but he's
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hanging, he's
hanging in here, very good,
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And we, we met
Brad kind of smooth
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decathlon kind of
guy you know, yeah,
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trumpet player,
yeah, kind of a easy going,
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kind of guy you
know, the Lord knows who to
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put together, He
does, just had He put some
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sort of wild man with
Cheri they'd killed each
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other years ago,
yeah. But he, guy with
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patience and,
and kind of you know,
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and it's a good fit.
So, we get to sort of
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mind their stories. I
got to tell you used to
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do that you met,
you read the book
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about James White
there you wrote or it's
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about him. Brad's
writing the book now
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saying women, men
who, women who are
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out to lunch and
the men that love them.
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And so you know, I
can, or something you heard.
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This I got autobiography, right?
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That's right, that's right.
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Spirit let,
spirit let absolutely.
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But there was a
wow! There was years
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20 years that I, I did
a lot of work in ministry
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traveling and all
that kind of stuff and Brad
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really had no
interest, he wasn't a Christian,
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now I have left to
church when we met,
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so I've been here
wasn't a Christian,
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wasn't doing any
of that kind of stuff.
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I'm flying to Thailand
rescuing kids in the sex
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trade industry I
come home and I'm like God
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did this and Brad,
you should see this and he
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was like, do we have
to talk about God now?
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Yeah, yeah, see
that's the question I want to
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ask, how did he
chain her down long enough
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to even propose to
him, yeah, because I mean
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she's gone all the
time, so we got to find out
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that tonight too.
We'll, we'll do that before
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we get into the rest of
your story, okay alright,
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we do have some
special music tonight, yeah.
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And we have one of my
favorite all time singers
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I think he's an
incredible individual,
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love Steve Darmody and what's he
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is gonna be
singing for us today.
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"They Don't Care." Okay, yeah.
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You tell them Jesus
loves them this you know
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And you tell them that
they need to know him too.
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You talk until they've heard
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every chapter and every verse,
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Still they walk away,
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unchanged by what you say.
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They don't care
how much you know
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Until they know
how much you care
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When they look into your eyes,
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can they see Jesus there?
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They won't listen to your words,
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Until they feel
the love you share.
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They don't care
how much you know
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Until they know
how much you care
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Just a cup of
water in Jesus name
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And satisfy a
dry and thirsty soul.
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To open up your heart and
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to love them just as they are,
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Would be all they
would need to finally believe
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They don't care
how much you know
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Until they know
how much you care
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When they look into your eyes,
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can they see Jesus there?
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They won't listen to your words,
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Until they feel
the love you share.
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They don't care
how much you know
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Until they know
how much you care
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Reach out and
touch, a man that is hungry
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Reach out and
touch, a child in despair
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Reach out and shed,
God's light in the darkness
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Reach out, reach out and touch
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Reach out and touch the
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world we're called to reach
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And our lives will
be the greatest sermon
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We could ever preach.
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They don't care
how much you know
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Until they know
how much you care
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When they look into your
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eyes and they see Him there?
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They won't listen to your words,
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Until they feel
the love you share.
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They don't care
how much you know
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Until they know
how much you care.
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Amen, well that's a
two hander for sure I want
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to tell you, that guy
he, ET ever said it one
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time, Steve doesn't
sing, he spins silk she says,
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he's just so
smooth. What a, what a gift?
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Yeah, he is. And
what a great guy? Yeah.
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And his family
there, they are wonderful
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people and, so thank you Steve.
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And tonight again we
have Cheri Peters and
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the Brad her husband.
And before we get this
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story on Brad I mean
this is gonna be new to
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everybody here.
We want to go back
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a little bit and let
some of the folks who are you
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you know, new to
3ABN audience and
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some of us as been a
while we want to hear
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a little bit about you,
but we also C.A. tell us
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about this, this DV, the
CD, or DVD, what is this?
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This is a DVD. It, it
is the, couple of years ago
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we did a series
with meetings called
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"Where Are All This
Miracles" I think you
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spoke on that, I
spoke, John Lomacang spoke
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of it, John Dinzey
how. Where each talked
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about miracles.
And Cheri was sort
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of an anchor person,
she spoke that Sabbath
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morning. Okay. And
this is the, the DVD of
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her presentation on
that Sabbath morning.
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Cheri, you
talked about your dad.
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Exactly, he is passing.
Yeah, he is passing and,
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the miracles that
surrounded that whole
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time in your life
and in his life. Exactly.
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So, this is a powerful personal
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testimony by
Cheri. And we thought
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it was fitting that we
offered this very night.
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So, if you like to
get a copy of this DVD,
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this is something
you want to add to your
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collection and
call us 618-627-4651,
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618-627-4651 or email
us freeofferat3abn.org,
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that is one word
freeofferat3abn.org.
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And we will get
this in the mail to you.
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You'll find this
inspirational and
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something that
you'll want to share.
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So, contact us we'll
get this in the mail to you.
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Okay, now how much does it cost?
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Absolutely free.
It's free tonight. Yes.
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So, that's free offer,
I want one, free offer,
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Then and how good
you do on the program.
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Okay, okay. If she behaves
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you, if she behaves this out.
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We tell and we said,
Cheri behave yourself.
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The best
behavior. But if she, if she
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was just calm and cool
and collected here we'd
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probably
disappointing 'cause we love,
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we love the Cheri
because what we see
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and your, your excitement
is your love for Jesus.
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Exactly, and
that love for people
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that God has given
you. And so, we don't want
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you to change. Yeah, and we, we
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even what the song
we're saying, we know,
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is that you know,
that you know, they don't
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care how much you,
yeah they don't know,
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know, till they
know how much you care.
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And so, to me I think
that like you, you ask
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me about where I
started then we talked
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about the DVD being
about my dad as I was
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raise by drug
addicts. And I was raised in an
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environment and
my mom had five kids
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before she was
21 years old. Wow!
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And she was using my,
my, my real dad died in
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a crack out strung
out. Not only strung out on
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drugs, but he was
strung out sexually and was
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a perpetrator and molested also
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my whole life I
mean. Oh! My. He was caught
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with me the first
time I was three months old
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then, it was just this really
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twisted stuff, your father,
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yeah the really
twisted stuff and.
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And so, by the time
I was any age at all,
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the only thing I knew
about the world was it
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was not safe and
I needed to protect
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myself all the time,
child protective services
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used to come into our
house and try to remove
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us and I'm not sure
why they didn't, we got our
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school closed by
somebody that stole the
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clothes from a
shopping mall and we would buy
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them at 10% of the
cost of the ticket and that
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kind of thing and,
and by the time I was 12
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I was on drugs
myself and had my,
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pregnancy, twelve,
you're just a baby,
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I was homeless by
thirteen and lived on the
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streets of Los Angeles
for the next ten years.
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And I and, and, and
I can't even tell you,
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I don't even know when
I stopped even daring to
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dream that I could
even have a normal life,
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daring to dream
that I that anything good
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would happened,
I mean every time
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I would need
somebody would be twisted,
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it would be, I
got kidnapped by a
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motorcycle gang
and watched them kill a
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13-year-old girl
during initiations,
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I got beat to the
point you couldn't recognize
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me, I lost a couple
teeth, I mean all that
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kind of stuff, so the
things that I saw in the
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world were very twisted,
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And just let me ask you,
if you put a pin in for a
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second, were you
introduced to drugs at
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home or on the
streets? You know, it's really
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interesting as I
wasn't introduced to drugs
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in the same way
that people think,
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that that I was I, I
did my first suicide attempt
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when I was eight, I
tried to jump off a building.
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And, and, and from
that point on I had tried to
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kill myself a number of times.
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And somebody had
said that people do drugs
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'cause they don't want
to deal with their issues.
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And I at 12 years old
said then I have to find some.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Okay. So, somebody
didn't come up to me,
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I went out and
found some, you know,
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the first time I
took a drug, I was so
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damaged as a kid you
know, my mom tried to
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self abort six times,
she didn't want anymore
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children, she was
14 when she had me,
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she already had a
child then I mean you know,
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it's just this crazy environment
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to be born into.
And so, when I took
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my first drug and all
of that sadness was gone.
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I just thought I
have to have this
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the rest of my life.
I knew that I would do
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anything to get
drugs from that point on.
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And I was tiny, I
wasn't you know I don't know,
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well if you looked at
me, I didn't look older
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than I was, but the
people that gave drugs
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to a twelve-year-old
were pretty twisted
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themselves. So,
I mean not only did
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I in my mind say that
the only way I'm gonna
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truly survive is if I
keep these drugs in my body,
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is that the people
that then supplied me were
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really twisted. I
ended up pregnant,
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I had taken so
much that the, the baby
00:14:54.99\00:14:58.45
couldn't grow, I mean
I was eight and a half
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months pregnant at
a 104 pounds, and when
00:15:00.39\00:15:02.52
they were born,
they were nine ounces,
00:15:02.53\00:15:04.69
I mean they were
just tiny and so,
00:15:04.70\00:15:06.75
then I went into
depression 'cause they
00:15:07.37\00:15:09.19
had died and
then I ended up on the
00:15:09.20\00:15:10.63
streets and I mean
it was just as I can't
00:15:10.64\00:15:13.11
you know when somebody says,
00:15:13.80\00:15:14.77
how did you survive
that? I don't know you know,
00:15:14.78\00:15:17.27
but when you know,
ten years into that,
00:15:17.49\00:15:19.66
I was trying to kill
myself and I was so done.
00:15:19.67\00:15:21.88
I just had somebody
put a gun on my face and
00:15:22.26\00:15:24.16
they were talking
about blowing my head off
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and, and when
they put the gun on my
00:15:25.70\00:15:28.47
face I thought
thank you so much,
00:15:28.48\00:15:30.50
I was so done. You
know, I just wanted to
00:15:31.12\00:15:33.94
just say, thank
you so much because
00:15:33.95\00:15:35.77
I've tried to kill
myself my whole life.
00:15:35.78\00:15:37.47
And I'm not good
addict, I'm looking me
00:15:37.77\00:15:39.26
I'm breathing you
know, and 35 attempts
00:15:39.27\00:15:41.80
and I'm still breathing
I cut my wrist, it looks
00:15:41.81\00:15:43.94
like a scratch, I
mean and so this guy puts a
00:15:43.95\00:15:46.10
gun on my face and I,
and I relax and he says
00:15:46.11\00:15:48.22
are you nuts? So
are you my psychiatrist,
00:15:48.23\00:15:50.76
pull the trigger, and
I'm thinking are you just
00:15:51.05\00:15:54.55
trying to scare me I,
I'm scared to breath next,
00:15:54.56\00:15:57.30
you know I don't
want to breath next,
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pull the trigger
what are you a little girl
00:15:59.11\00:16:00.68
and I'm like wanted
to scream at him and he's
00:16:00.99\00:16:03.26
not gonna shoot me
and I'm so angry and he
00:16:03.27\00:16:06.46
walks out like you're crazy.
00:16:06.47\00:16:07.93
Yes. And I'm like,
oh! Man, and I have to
00:16:08.29\00:16:10.61
breathe again, I
don't want to breathe again,
00:16:10.62\00:16:12.36
yeah. And I remember
just sitting their stunned
00:16:12.37\00:16:14.33
and within the next day
or so I decide I'm gonna
00:16:14.34\00:16:16.84
kill myself. You
know, some things happen and
00:16:16.85\00:16:19.21
then I'm gonna kill
myself and I believe not
00:16:19.22\00:16:22.19
that God showed up
'cause I think God is
00:16:22.20\00:16:24.01
always there, I
think that we just are so
00:16:24.02\00:16:26.29
blinded by our pain
that we don't we feel or see
00:16:26.82\00:16:28.95
him, but I just got
broke through all that kind of
00:16:28.96\00:16:32.28
stuff and he just
said, I love you and I wept,
00:16:32.29\00:16:36.02
I'm a 100 pounds I'm
strung out on heroin,
00:16:36.17\00:16:38.43
I have teeth
missing, I barely can read,
00:16:38.44\00:16:41.14
I've been on the
streets 23, I've been on the
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street for ten years.
I've been in all kinds of
00:16:43.35\00:16:45.54
environments and I
know this is God and
00:16:45.55\00:16:48.23
I know he's saying he loves me.
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And, and, and just
like. That you've been
00:16:50.01\00:16:51.69
thought about God
along the way? No. No?
00:16:51.70\00:16:54.10
You know no. You
weren't reading the
00:16:54.11\00:16:55.24
Bible, going to
prayer meetings. Yeah, yeah.
00:16:55.25\00:16:57.09
And we've been
working in, in club.
00:16:58.42\00:17:00.19
You know, okay,
you know so, so on the
00:17:00.20\00:17:03.30
sudden when he,
when he says that,
00:17:03.31\00:17:06.07
he loves me I, I
just you know look at me
00:17:06.08\00:17:08.70
you know, the only
thing I can respond to
00:17:09.08\00:17:10.47
that for some
reason I knew it was God,
00:17:10.48\00:17:12.03
for some reason then
I felt that peace and
00:17:12.04\00:17:14.27
that love and that
safety and I wanted to just
00:17:14.28\00:17:16.96
weep and weep and
weep, but I thought
00:17:16.97\00:17:18.85
look at me I'm such a mess.
00:17:18.86\00:17:20.32
And, and what I believe
God said at that point is
00:17:20.74\00:17:23.43
let me you, show
you who I see when I'm
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look at you. And,
and, and just picture this.
00:17:25.20\00:17:28.37
Because I think that
it's an amazing thing is that
00:17:28.38\00:17:33.44
we think that and God
looks at actually sees us
00:17:33.70\00:17:36.44
in this condition,
but what's gonna happened
00:17:36.78\00:17:39.09
at the second coming? Oh! Yeah.
00:17:39.10\00:17:41.26
We transformed, yeah,
at the twinkle of an eye.
00:17:41.41\00:17:44.31
And we actually
get to be who we are
00:17:44.32\00:17:46.62
that we're carry to
be. Who God knows we are?
00:17:46.97\00:17:49.38
Right. So, when God
looks at us, what does
00:17:49.39\00:17:51.12
he see, does he see
us now, or does he see us
00:17:51.13\00:17:52.15
now, or does he
see us in that point?
00:17:52.16\00:17:54.44
And so, you shows,
she shows me in a sense,
00:17:54.85\00:17:57.08
I mean I don't see
anything, but you see
00:17:57.09\00:17:58.72
everything I don't
know how God does that,
00:17:58.73\00:18:00.26
but he shows me who
I am when he sees me?
00:18:00.59\00:18:03.28
Yes. And I'm this
incredible creation of
00:18:03.53\00:18:06.41
His, beautiful and
innocent and not marred
00:18:06.42\00:18:09.38
by send it all. And
I just start to crying,
00:18:09.39\00:18:11.97
I've never been
that. I've been molested
00:18:11.98\00:18:13.99
since I was born, I've been,
00:18:14.00\00:18:15.00
I've live in a drug house.
00:18:15.01\00:18:16.23
You know, we don't
even open blinds were
00:18:16.24\00:18:18.11
in the day because
people are high you
00:18:18.12\00:18:19.70
know, I mean you come
into our house and it's
00:18:19.71\00:18:21.45
just filthy stick
to the bathroom floor,
00:18:21.46\00:18:23.66
I mean you know, I
mean it's just this drug
00:18:23.67\00:18:26.05
house and then God
says, who I sees is just
00:18:26.06\00:18:28.46
beautiful child of
God created in my image.
00:18:28.47\00:18:31.67
And I just wept and
I thought I would do
00:18:32.03\00:18:33.79
anything to be that
and he said then just trust
00:18:33.80\00:18:37.38
me, just trust me.
And I remember it took
00:18:37.39\00:18:40.03
everything, I had you
know, I don't know how
00:18:40.04\00:18:42.22
many 42 warrants from
my arrest at the time,
00:18:42.23\00:18:44.56
I was strung out on
heroin and I you know
00:18:44.57\00:18:46.47
I, you know I'm just,
I, I'm just at the end of
00:18:46.48\00:18:49.27
everything and God
says, trust me and stand up.
00:18:49.28\00:18:51.50
And for some reason
and it's only the love of
00:18:51.87\00:18:54.44
God is I said okay
and everything changed,
00:18:54.45\00:18:57.78
everything. How does
it change, I mean that's,
00:18:58.02\00:18:59.81
that's a great
story, well you know,
00:18:59.82\00:19:00.80
but somebody
listening tonight needs to know
00:19:00.81\00:19:03.94
there is hope. They want to dare
00:19:03.95\00:19:05.08
to dream like you.
Which really interesting
00:19:05.09\00:19:07.33
to me about a
change when you, anybody,
00:19:07.34\00:19:10.76
anybody you know
when, when I finally
00:19:10.94\00:19:12.97
just said, okay.
And that's our God
00:19:13.54\00:19:15.89
waits for us, I ask to
say okay, just surrender
00:19:15.90\00:19:18.34
I mean people use
terms that are hard to
00:19:18.35\00:19:20.57
understand, but it's
just a matter of saying okay.
00:19:20.58\00:19:22.49
I get it and I trust
you and you start to just
00:19:23.12\00:19:25.66
move in any sense,
like somebody says,
00:19:25.67\00:19:28.48
did God give you a
list of what to stop,
00:19:28.49\00:19:30.39
stop heroin and stop
drinking, stop sleeping
00:19:30.40\00:19:32.53
around, stop whatever he
didn't get me any of that,
00:19:32.54\00:19:34.47
I lied and manipulated
and I had survived these
00:19:34.81\00:19:37.52
streets for ten
years, I was good at being
00:19:37.53\00:19:40.03
on the streets,
I learned all that.
00:19:40.04\00:19:41.80
And he didn't give me
a list of what's to stop,
00:19:42.03\00:19:43.85
all he said is I
love you. Wow! I love you.
00:19:43.86\00:19:47.05
And I wanted to stop everything.
00:19:47.32\00:19:48.85
You know what I
mean? My reaction was is
00:19:49.16\00:19:51.36
I want to stop
everything, I wanna be,
00:19:51.50\00:19:53.89
I just wanna be
healthy, I wanna be that,
00:19:55.01\00:19:59.66
girl in the image
he just showed me.
00:19:59.67\00:20:01.53
And so, I called
everybody I knew you
00:20:01.54\00:20:04.06
know and everybody
I know are prostitutes
00:20:04.07\00:20:06.27
and drug dealers and
people that are a mess,
00:20:06.28\00:20:08.18
but I called everybody I knew.
00:20:08.19\00:20:09.41
And somebody had a
sister that was Christian
00:20:09.78\00:20:11.79
and she said I
could come over her house.
00:20:11.80\00:20:13.45
Okay, how crazy is
that? Yeah, yeah, how crazy
00:20:14.15\00:20:16.46
is that? So, so,
so I'm like you know,
00:20:16.47\00:20:18.79
okay so it takes me a
little while to get to
00:20:19.31\00:20:21.17
the house, I get to
the house now I'm trying
00:20:21.18\00:20:23.00
from drugs and I'm
like, I'm doing well,
00:20:23.01\00:20:25.42
I'm thinking you
know what this is not okay
00:20:25.43\00:20:27.55
with me, what am
I thinking about?
00:20:27.56\00:20:29.17
You know I didn't
bring anything with me,
00:20:30.29\00:20:31.73
do you have any
heroin with you, I know you
00:20:31.74\00:20:33.68
look like a health
nut, but anything Danny
00:20:33.69\00:20:35.47
come on, yeah.
What do you say to that?
00:20:35.48\00:20:38.66
And, and, and so
she just says you know,
00:20:39.10\00:20:41.04
come on in and she
puts on some Christian
00:20:41.05\00:20:43.25
music and I want
to break the stereo,
00:20:43.26\00:20:44.90
I'm thinking that's the
most irritating stuff I've
00:20:44.91\00:20:46.85
ever seen and you
know I'm listening to the
00:20:46.86\00:20:48.43
Rolling Stones or
Chicago or something
00:20:48.44\00:20:50.43
you know 'cause I'm
just not used to any of
00:20:50.44\00:20:52.17
that and she is
telling me, that that
00:20:52.18\00:20:54.49
will calm you down.
And I'm thinking it is
00:20:54.50\00:20:56.23
not calming me down,
do you have any coffee
00:20:56.24\00:20:58.10
and she is like,
no, do you have tea,
00:20:58.11\00:21:00.24
doctor pepper, do
you have chocolate,
00:21:00.66\00:21:02.39
do you have sugar,
do you have anything?
00:21:02.78\00:21:04.16
And she says, I'm
a vegan vegetarian.
00:21:04.17\00:21:06.07
Absolutely. I'm afraid
to ask what does that mean?
00:21:07.83\00:21:09.67
What is that?
And I wanted to die,
00:21:10.61\00:21:13.02
I want to just say
you know and then, and so
00:21:13.03\00:21:15.27
I say you know what's that mean?
00:21:15.28\00:21:16.76
And she is like you
know, well I don't eat
00:21:16.77\00:21:18.97
anything that has a
mother and I'm like,
00:21:18.98\00:21:21.22
I don't want to eat
your mother, I want to have
00:21:21.23\00:21:23.49
some coffee you
know, yes. And, and, and so
00:21:23.50\00:21:25.88
she says, I have some
lentils and I have some
00:21:25.89\00:21:27.87
water and I remember
my first reaction I have
00:21:27.88\00:21:30.15
some water is I
can't stomach that stuff?
00:21:30.16\00:21:32.29
Oh! Wow. You know,
give me a bottle of
00:21:32.57\00:21:33.78
tequila and I could
drink it down, yeah,
00:21:33.79\00:21:35.92
right? But give
me some water and,
00:21:35.93\00:21:37.89
addicts are serious,
we don't like that stuff.
00:21:37.90\00:21:40.14
And she says you know,
how long did it take you
00:21:40.42\00:21:41.99
to used to tequila
and I said, a while.
00:21:42.00\00:21:43.93
And she said water is like that.
00:21:43.94\00:21:45.33
And she was so
gentle and, you know,
00:21:47.65\00:21:49.95
she just gentle and,
and let me do recovery
00:21:49.96\00:21:53.67
at her house and,
and she massaged my feet
00:21:53.68\00:21:56.25
and would you know
tell me you know you
00:21:56.26\00:21:58.15
need to take a, you
know, we're gonna go
00:21:58.16\00:22:00.26
outside and take a
hike and I would say,
00:22:00.27\00:22:01.86
you could take a hike,
yeah, I'm drunk you know,
00:22:01.87\00:22:04.18
And I, you know I
don't know in my mind,
00:22:04.59\00:22:06.58
I don't know how
loving I was to her,
00:22:06.59\00:22:08.86
but she was amazing
to me and, and what she
00:22:08.87\00:22:11.68
said at the end of
a week is, is you know
00:22:11.69\00:22:14.88
she was you know,
going to the bathroom
00:22:15.91\00:22:17.59
every 20 minute,
which I thought was
00:22:17.60\00:22:19.54
really strange,
but I was smoking like
00:22:19.55\00:22:22.14
three packs of
cigarettes a day, so I was smoke
00:22:22.15\00:22:23.83
and she would go to
the bathroom and we tell
00:22:23.84\00:22:25.78
stories and she
would ask me about my life
00:22:25.79\00:22:27.56
and then she go to
bathroom and I'd smoke
00:22:27.57\00:22:29.25
and, finally at end of the week
00:22:29.26\00:22:31.18
I fell in love with
her. And, and it was an
00:22:31.19\00:22:34.45
incident where she
said you know, Cheri what's
00:22:34.46\00:22:36.29
the worst thing that
you did and I've been
00:22:36.30\00:22:38.81
molested by an uncle
when I was like eleven,
00:22:38.82\00:22:41.63
and I've been
molested by a lot of
00:22:41.64\00:22:43.14
people, that wasn't
an issue for me at that
00:22:43.15\00:22:45.58
time, 'cause that's
my life was like that,
00:22:45.59\00:22:48.02
but with his uncle
he didn't realize 'cause
00:22:48.64\00:22:50.65
I was sleeping
in a room with them,
00:22:50.66\00:22:51.73
all my cousins and he
didn't realize that all my
00:22:51.74\00:22:54.01
cousins were awake and
we just were pretending
00:22:54.02\00:22:55.99
we're sleep 'cause we
were supposed to be asleep.
00:22:56.00\00:22:57.92
And he came and
molested me and left,
00:22:58.29\00:22:59.93
well nobody was
asleep. And so, I couldn't
00:22:59.94\00:23:01.94
disassociate in my
head and I couldn't,
00:23:01.95\00:23:03.48
I had to be present
and I heard them breath and
00:23:03.89\00:23:05.99
I thought now they
know that I'm bad and
00:23:06.00\00:23:08.30
I can't fake being
anything but what I'm
00:23:08.98\00:23:11.12
and, and so I was
telling her that you know that
00:23:11.13\00:23:13.08
was probably the
most shameful thing in my
00:23:13.09\00:23:14.82
life and she started crying.
00:23:14.83\00:23:16.30
And I said, you know
what do you crying for?
00:23:16.76\00:23:18.38
And she said, you didn't do it.
00:23:18.39\00:23:20.40
And nobody had
ever said that to me.
00:23:21.25\00:23:22.65
And I thought you know what?
00:23:23.20\00:23:24.17
If you would have
told me, you know,
00:23:24.18\00:23:25.89
if you would have
given me a choice in my life,
00:23:25.90\00:23:27.58
I could be married to
addicts that didn't love
00:23:27.96\00:23:30.42
me, and didn't
know how to take care of
00:23:30.43\00:23:31.64
children that were
so focus, they would
00:23:31.65\00:23:33.62
molest you and all
that kind of like, I could
00:23:33.63\00:23:35.37
have a home that was wonderful,
00:23:35.38\00:23:36.62
I would have chose
the wonderful home?
00:23:37.01\00:23:38.31
You know what I
mean? But nobody ever gave
00:23:38.75\00:23:40.11
me that choice, and
when she said that it
00:23:40.12\00:23:42.21
just hit me, as I didn't do it.
00:23:42.22\00:23:43.92
Wow! And I would
have given anything to
00:23:43.93\00:23:45.80
be loved, to have,
wow! Piano lessons and to
00:23:45.81\00:23:48.54
have a father that
says I adore you and cherish
00:23:49.16\00:23:51.45
me and I twill
around the room and be safe
00:23:51.46\00:23:53.74
and all that kind of
stuff. And, and from that
00:23:53.75\00:23:56.86
point on I fell in love
with her, I said to her,
00:23:56.87\00:23:59.71
I said you know,
I'm worried about your
00:23:59.72\00:24:01.39
kidneys, I know
you're health and she is a
00:24:01.40\00:24:03.09
thousand years old, but
she is healthy you know.
00:24:03.10\00:24:05.32
And so, I said I
know that you have not,
00:24:05.80\00:24:07.45
but you go to the
bathroom all the time
00:24:07.46\00:24:09.14
you know that's just not good.
00:24:09.15\00:24:10.62
And she said, she was
from a very judgmental
00:24:11.10\00:24:13.12
family and she said
that you know, I don't know
00:24:13.13\00:24:18.02
why you're here
or why I said, yes.
00:24:18.03\00:24:20.56
Because you know, we
just are judgmental you
00:24:20.81\00:24:23.07
know, and every
single time that I felt that
00:24:23.08\00:24:25.68
rinsing up in me, I
went to the bathroom and fell
00:24:25.69\00:24:27.78
on the floor
and just begged God.
00:24:27.79\00:24:30.03
Do not let me hurt
her, don't let me judge her,
00:24:30.39\00:24:33.40
don't let me do
that. Wow! And all the
00:24:33.41\00:24:35.07
sudden I, I thought
in my entire life nobody
00:24:35.08\00:24:38.56
has ever fought
for me. Now, you know,
00:24:38.57\00:24:40.38
not that I know of,
and I thought you know,
00:24:40.39\00:24:41.97
why would you fight for me?
00:24:41.98\00:24:43.27
And, and she said
because Jesus fights for you.
00:24:43.49\00:24:46.05
Wow! And I just
was changed. Powerful,
00:24:46.38\00:24:48.42
yeah, I was change.
Now, are you an east
00:24:48.43\00:24:50.55
cost, Middle
America, west cost girl,
00:24:50.56\00:24:52.14
where did you grow up?
California. California.
00:24:52.15\00:24:53.95
I was born in
Downtown, home was in Compton,
00:24:53.96\00:24:57.35
South Gate,
Lynwood, well I don't know if
00:24:57.36\00:24:58.80
anybody knows those
areas, but those are
00:24:58.81\00:25:00.42
wonderful areas.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:25:00.43\00:25:02.04
And, and rough
stuff and I could, I could
00:25:02.26\00:25:04.29
hold my own C.A.
You know, I don't know,
00:25:04.30\00:25:07.22
even know. Now, I
could hold my own,
00:25:07.23\00:25:10.14
if somebody I, you
got to the point where you
00:25:10.15\00:25:12.82
know I would be
waiting someone's face
00:25:12.83\00:25:15.11
and they would hit me
on the face, so I would
00:25:15.12\00:25:16.35
go to down and
comeback up and hit
00:25:16.36\00:25:17.66
him again, I mean it
was like, it was just
00:25:17.67\00:25:19.63
ridiculous what you would learn?
00:25:19.64\00:25:21.28
And now what God
said, now we want you
00:25:21.69\00:25:23.19
to step into a life that
is safe, but I don't know
00:25:23.20\00:25:27.11
anything about safe,
I don't know anything
00:25:27.12\00:25:28.93
about trust, I
don't know anything about
00:25:28.94\00:25:31.18
safe men, safe women,
I came into the church
00:25:31.19\00:25:33.91
and I don't
want to say anything,
00:25:33.92\00:25:35.48
I don't want to
say anything that's
00:25:37.88\00:25:38.85
shocking, but there is
a lot of not safe people
00:25:38.86\00:25:40.77
even in the
building. And I walk into that
00:25:40.78\00:25:42.83
environment and still
had to be cautious about
00:25:42.84\00:25:45.29
stuff and God says, I
want you to instead of
00:25:45.30\00:25:48.49
looking for who's not
safe, I want you to find
00:25:48.50\00:25:50.55
the one that our safe, okay.
00:25:50.56\00:25:51.92
Because they're
out there, and they're
00:25:51.93\00:25:53.26
incredible and they
will love you and all that
00:25:53.27\00:25:55.72
kind of stuff. And, and
I don't want to you know,
00:25:55.73\00:25:58.35
say anything about 3ABN that's,
00:25:59.68\00:26:03.37
that people don't
know, but the first time that
00:26:03.38\00:26:06.45
I met you guys, I
don't know if I've ever felt
00:26:06.46\00:26:08.96
loved by
someone. I just felt like
00:26:08.97\00:26:10.92
immediately I was
part of a family and
00:26:10.93\00:26:13.45
immediately people
especially you Danny,
00:26:13.46\00:26:16.45
but people were
saying you know, how can we
00:26:16.46\00:26:18.40
help you stand
up? Because you know,
00:26:18.41\00:26:20.39
it feels like that
you know have, you have a
00:26:20.40\00:26:21.79
call in your life,
and we'd like to help you
00:26:21.80\00:26:23.86
and, and, and, but
you know, it was like,
00:26:23.87\00:26:25.69
it was such an
amazing thing that God as you
00:26:25.70\00:26:28.39
stand up and just say,
you start that surrender
00:26:28.40\00:26:30.85
everything happens.
Donna helped me into
00:26:30.86\00:26:33.95
recovery, right? Her
husband was a dentist,
00:26:33.96\00:26:36.42
gave me teeth; I
smiled for the first time,
00:26:36.43\00:26:39.15
without having
to cover my mouth.
00:26:39.16\00:26:40.71
And he and he was so good.
00:26:41.08\00:26:42.58
It was like you
know; he saw the tooth gone
00:26:42.93\00:26:45.35
and he said, you
know, would you like me to
00:26:45.36\00:26:47.07
fix that? And I
don't have any insurance
00:26:47.08\00:26:49.59
you know, I, you know,
I don't have any of that
00:26:49.60\00:26:51.75
kind of stuff and
I thought you know,
00:26:51.76\00:26:53.48
God how fond of you?
You know, and then she
00:26:53.49\00:26:55.93
said, you got to
learned to read and I, and I,
00:26:55.94\00:26:58.02
but she didn't you
were 23 years old and you
00:26:58.03\00:27:00.48
didn't know how
to read. No, barely.
00:27:00.49\00:27:02.13
You know, probably
second, third grade level.
00:27:02.14\00:27:04.04
You know not that I
couldn't read anything,
00:27:04.05\00:27:05.84
but I mean if you
ask me, but she really
00:27:06.20\00:27:07.60
couldn't just sit down
and read or enjoy them.
00:27:07.61\00:27:10.04
And that was, I was socially
00:27:10.05\00:27:11.43
underdeveloped, you
weren't reading books,
00:27:11.44\00:27:12.92
it was ridiculous.
Oh! No, I was shooting
00:27:12.93\00:27:14.31
heroin, you know,
you know all things,
00:27:14.32\00:27:16.24
you tried reading and it
messes with your hi Danny.
00:27:16.25\00:27:18.30
But, you know what
it's just like none of
00:27:18.88\00:27:24.17
that matter, do you
know? And so, now she says,
00:27:24.18\00:27:26.71
you know, Donna is
like you need to learn to
00:27:26.72\00:27:28.69
reading, go back
to school and, and you
00:27:28.70\00:27:30.77
know, people helped
me with that and I took
00:27:30.78\00:27:32.80
my GED and went
back to college and,
00:27:32.81\00:27:34.83
I mean and I
wanted to reap everyday.
00:27:35.18\00:27:37.37
I ended up on the dean's
list, I went into nursing,
00:27:37.68\00:27:40.34
and I got into
addictions counseling.
00:27:40.35\00:27:42.32
And you know, and I
wanted to reap because what?
00:27:42.33\00:27:44.40
A lot of people don't
understand about God is
00:27:45.13\00:27:47.21
it's really cool
when some becomes up and
00:27:48.65\00:27:50.79
says, here's a
great treatment program,
00:27:50.80\00:27:52.47
but God's not limited
to that, He doesn't need a
00:27:53.05\00:27:55.02
treatment
program, He can take you
00:27:55.03\00:27:56.70
through even if
nobody sees you God said,
00:27:56.71\00:27:59.72
I see you, I know,
He did you? He did me.
00:27:59.73\00:28:02.73
Do you ever heard the first time
00:28:02.74\00:28:04.09
you met Cheri, Danny?
I do, I remember about
00:28:04.10\00:28:07.42
the first time and,
and I knew there was a
00:28:07.43\00:28:09.19
calling on her life as
soon as I talked to her
00:28:09.20\00:28:11.26
and, and we did say,
what can we do to work
00:28:11.27\00:28:13.91
with you, I felt
your story needed to be
00:28:13.92\00:28:16.49
heard by the
world. And, and you had a
00:28:16.50\00:28:19.87
special anointing on
you. But what was interesting
00:28:19.88\00:28:22.58
is what? You know,
I didn't, you know,
00:28:22.59\00:28:24.57
the only thing I knew,
is God was saying stand up.
00:28:24.58\00:28:28.16
And, and help the next person.
00:28:28.17\00:28:30.06
The next person
that's down there, the next
00:28:30.27\00:28:31.87
Cheri, the next
person that's so,
00:28:31.88\00:28:33.50
that's really lost.
And I didn't know how
00:28:33.51\00:28:35.27
to do that, and
when, when I saw that you
00:28:35.28\00:28:38.97
believed that, I
believed it more.
00:28:38.98\00:28:41.87
Do you know what I
mean? Yeah. And, and then
00:28:42.24\00:28:43.72
when that happened
to me here at 3ABN no
00:28:43.73\00:28:45.73
matter where I went,
is that people responded
00:28:45.74\00:28:47.59
to me like you know,
okay. You know, what you're
00:28:47.60\00:28:50.30
gonna do and how
you're gonna stand up
00:28:50.31\00:28:51.85
and I mean it was
just an amazing thing.
00:28:51.86\00:28:54.87
Praise God, amazing thing.
00:28:54.88\00:28:56.08
And so, so what, what
I found out with God is
00:28:56.39\00:28:58.74
over the years is
that He did everything,
00:28:58.75\00:29:02.16
like I really needed to know how
00:29:02.17\00:29:04.42
to receive love,
right? But I'm not safe
00:29:04.43\00:29:06.91
enough, I don't
know how to do that,
00:29:06.92\00:29:08.36
and I've got so
many trust issues.
00:29:08.37\00:29:09.98
So, he gives me a job,
my first job in the State
00:29:10.28\00:29:12.58
Hospital working with
Down Syndrome kids, right?
00:29:12.59\00:29:15.26
Okay. And they'd love
you to death. Oh! Yeah.
00:29:15.27\00:29:17.16
You know, I did, I
thought I was gonna go
00:29:17.17\00:29:18.54
and then help them,
but they loved me to death.
00:29:18.55\00:29:20.89
I would come to work
and they, I love to work
00:29:20.90\00:29:23.01
with snout all over me
had stuff, this because
00:29:23.02\00:29:25.48
they were hold me
and, yeah, slob on me and,
00:29:25.49\00:29:28.40
yeah, and you know,
just like you know she
00:29:28.41\00:29:30.63
is here again. Yeah,
oh! Yeah. And every time
00:29:30.64\00:29:33.55
I would just wanna
cry 'cause nobody ever was
00:29:33.56\00:29:35.75
glad to see me. In
our household people
00:29:35.76\00:29:37.98
were high, they were
not, they were so self
00:29:37.99\00:29:39.93
focused, that they
didn't know how to do any of
00:29:39.94\00:29:41.65
that and these
kids were amazing.
00:29:41.66\00:29:43.58
So, God just did
these little things that,
00:29:43.59\00:29:46.75
the healing happened
over and over and over
00:29:47.59\00:29:50.39
and I got
volunteer of the year awards
00:29:50.83\00:29:54.64
in the town I was
in. So, I started working
00:29:54.65\00:29:56.09
with gang members in recovery.
00:29:56.10\00:29:57.52
I was the grand marshal
in the 4th of July parade.
00:29:57.95\00:30:00.71
You know, in the head
car. I mean it was just like,
00:30:00.72\00:30:03.38
it was, it was so
incredible that the only
00:30:03.39\00:30:07.91
thing I could say, is
what I felt like during
00:30:07.92\00:30:10.63
that that first part is
I had a father who was so
00:30:10.64\00:30:14.52
proud of me,
alright. And he was gifting me
00:30:14.53\00:30:16.99
everyday with just
that, I'm so proud of you and
00:30:17.17\00:30:19.85
I want to show you
this, or teach you this.
00:30:19.86\00:30:21.85
And that was so
tangible to me that it
00:30:22.21\00:30:24.78
helped me
through all of that time.
00:30:24.79\00:30:26.51
And I didn't have one
treatments and I never
00:30:26.95\00:30:28.89
to a program and I
never get a, I didn't do
00:30:28.90\00:30:31.24
any of that kind of
stuff, I had church folks that
00:30:31.25\00:30:34.48
came along side of me
I. How long did it take
00:30:34.49\00:30:36.76
you to start shedding
off some of this stuff
00:30:36.77\00:30:38.70
and the desire for
drugs and any alcohol and
00:30:38.71\00:30:42.19
tobacco, did it
take a lot of years?
00:30:42.20\00:30:44.19
No, no and those
drugs and alcohol were kind
00:30:44.61\00:30:47.03
of the easy things.
You know, heroin I mean,
00:30:47.04\00:30:49.07
heroin you know,
you, you're gonna kick and
00:30:49.43\00:30:51.70
you're gonna kick
probably within a week
00:30:51.71\00:30:53.91
or two, the drug part
of it, but the behavorial
00:30:53.92\00:30:56.51
stuff and I mean you
know, I, I can lie before
00:30:56.52\00:30:59.55
even think of it.
You know, what I mean?
00:30:59.56\00:31:02.20
Yeah. It's like
I'm manipulating and
00:31:02.21\00:31:03.66
playing people before
I even think about it,
00:31:03.67\00:31:05.41
what's really
fun is when God says,
00:31:05.42\00:31:07.23
why don't you play with me then?
00:31:07.24\00:31:09.13
You know what? Yes.
You know, and it's in
00:31:09.26\00:31:11.90
the healthier scent,
yeah, but it's like be in
00:31:11.91\00:31:14.05
the all the sudden
I'm clean and, and people
00:31:14.06\00:31:16.11
are saying you know,
all you have to do is be
00:31:16.12\00:31:17.73
clean, not true.
You know I, my character
00:31:17.74\00:31:21.86
stuff is so twisted,
yeah. And God said I want
00:31:21.87\00:31:24.43
you to look at you
know, you're angry and,
00:31:24.44\00:31:26.92
and you're bitter
and, and you lie and
00:31:27.10\00:31:29.96
manipulate and you
don't know how to trust
00:31:29.97\00:31:31.64
or love or don't
let anyone love you and
00:31:31.65\00:31:33.34
you know those things
are gonna take forever.
00:31:33.66\00:31:35.70
And like it took me
ten years to even realize
00:31:36.01\00:31:38.87
that I've never in
my life let anyone in,
00:31:38.88\00:31:42.65
a good ten years.
Wow! And when God starts
00:31:43.18\00:31:45.42
to open those things
up to me it was really
00:31:45.43\00:31:47.46
interesting 'cause I
just wept, I said you know,
00:31:47.47\00:31:50.19
you want me to heal
something then I don't
00:31:50.20\00:31:51.98
know, well how to do
it. And he said, good
00:31:51.99\00:31:53.99
because I do. And
that was God just says is
00:31:54.21\00:31:56.95
that you know,
when the Bible says,
00:31:56.96\00:31:58.53
don't lean on your own
understand, don't think
00:31:58.54\00:32:00.68
you're gonna figure
this out that I know how to
00:32:00.69\00:32:03.28
lead you and the
Holy Spirit is so amazing,
00:32:03.29\00:32:06.15
if we just slow down
long enough, which was
00:32:06.54\00:32:08.38
hard for me, slow down
long enough to hear him.
00:32:08.39\00:32:10.70
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You, you, you came in and,
00:32:10.93\00:32:14.10
and you had this
dramatic recovery as
00:32:14.11\00:32:16.81
I'm tracking your
story though at some point
00:32:16.82\00:32:18.60
you sort of
lost your first love.
00:32:18.61\00:32:20.35
It, it, it came
off the tracks, right.
00:32:21.22\00:32:23.46
Walk us through
that time because that
00:32:23.47\00:32:24.73
actually the time
that that you met Brad.
00:32:24.74\00:32:26.80
But I met Brad
when I left the church.
00:32:26.81\00:32:28.41
Well, I came and, and
I you know, I'm thrilled,
00:32:28.81\00:32:31.76
but you know, I'm
socially underdeveloped
00:32:32.18\00:32:34.11
and I'm, I'm still
cussing every once in a
00:32:34.12\00:32:36.00
while, I'm bringing
pork roast to potluck,
00:32:36.01\00:32:38.61
you know what I
know, I just don't know
00:32:40.36\00:32:41.89
anything. And, and,
and you can find some,
00:32:41.90\00:32:44.82
some people that mean
well, but they're so you
00:32:44.83\00:32:48.21
know, they'll come
right up to you and say,
00:32:48.22\00:32:50.03
you know look at
you. You know, the first
00:32:50.04\00:32:52.33
time I went to a
small conservative church
00:32:52.34\00:32:54.59
I wore every piece of
jewelery I owned 'cause
00:32:54.99\00:32:57.08
I wanted to
impress people that I had
00:32:57.09\00:32:58.73
something you know,
yeah, and, and I go into
00:32:59.13\00:33:01.40
a small church that
nobody had jewelery,
00:33:02.08\00:33:04.09
I was gonna loan it to
folks because I thought
00:33:04.10\00:33:06.36
you know, what?
Maybe they don't have
00:33:06.37\00:33:08.79
any money and maybe
they need this from me.
00:33:08.80\00:33:11.00
You know it's
like I think that what
00:33:11.27\00:33:12.85
happened is I came
in behaviorally didn't
00:33:12.86\00:33:15.63
know what I was doing,
didn't know not to cuss,
00:33:15.64\00:33:19.44
didn't know not to,
you know not that I was,
00:33:19.45\00:33:22.04
you know I toned
it down tons, you know
00:33:22.99\00:33:24.90
what I mean, but I
just didn't and, and at one
00:33:24.91\00:33:27.36
point I, I asked
someone you know,
00:33:27.37\00:33:30.11
what would happen and
I was still smoking like
00:33:30.69\00:33:32.68
crazy, not smoking
like crazy and I was trying
00:33:32.69\00:33:35.71
to hide it and I
would come in and I,
00:33:35.72\00:33:38.30
you know, I smoked
about three packs of
00:33:38.47\00:33:39.74
cigarettes a day, so I mean,
00:33:39.75\00:33:40.80
I smelled like a cigarette.
00:33:40.81\00:33:42.00
And I would come
in and sit next to
00:33:42.26\00:33:43.61
somebody that's
allergic to the entire planet
00:33:43.62\00:33:45.50
you know, and soon as
I sit down their throat
00:33:45.76\00:33:47.68
closing up and
they're trying to call ER,
00:33:47.69\00:33:49.55
but they can't
speaking anymore and,
00:33:49.56\00:33:51.03
and so I realize that
they didn't like cigarettes,
00:33:51.28\00:33:53.23
so I sprayed perfume
all over me and I did all
00:33:53.24\00:33:55.44
that kind of
stuff and now they are
00:33:55.45\00:33:56.78
really in bad
shape. Yeah. And so, I ask
00:33:56.79\00:33:58.78
somebody what would
happened if a member
00:33:58.79\00:34:00.50
of the church wanted to
join like a five day plan
00:34:00.51\00:34:03.36
and they said, well
we would fellowship them
00:34:03.37\00:34:06.58
because they
shouldn't be smoking,
00:34:06.59\00:34:07.70
and the church
doesn't believe that,
00:34:07.71\00:34:09.11
but this person said that, yeah.
00:34:09.41\00:34:10.83
And after I just
strangled them, no.
00:34:10.84\00:34:12.81
You know, I wanted to
grab them by the throat
00:34:13.64\00:34:15.27
and said, do you
think that's my only issue,
00:34:15.28\00:34:17.07
look at me. Do
you think that's it?
00:34:17.23\00:34:18.70
And, and I was so
angry and so hurt that I left
00:34:19.04\00:34:22.35
and to this day I
tell people don't leave,
00:34:22.77\00:34:26.75
no matter what anyone
says, 'cause this is your
00:34:26.76\00:34:28.45
dad's house, yeah.
And you really are safer
00:34:28.46\00:34:30.65
here than
anywhere else, but I left,
00:34:30.66\00:34:32.51
now we left for
the same degree, but.
00:34:33.94\00:34:35.83
And, and that that
happens over and over
00:34:36.08\00:34:37.83
in our churches.
And there is in the
00:34:37.84\00:34:40.15
past I've been
guilty of it too, I'm sure,
00:34:40.16\00:34:41.98
I was raised, the way
I was raised and people
00:34:41.99\00:34:44.05
were judgmental,
because they come in
00:34:44.06\00:34:45.63
and they're
smoking and they're still
00:34:45.64\00:34:46.80
drinking or you
find out, they joined a
00:34:46.81\00:34:48.78
church and then,
oh! You heard they went
00:34:48.79\00:34:50.76
back to one instead of going
00:34:50.77\00:34:52.38
there and loving them.
You know, and it's not,
00:34:52.39\00:34:54.51
I mean it happened
so many times and if we
00:34:54.52\00:34:56.75
can get over that, but
I have seen a change in
00:34:56.76\00:34:58.94
the last 15-20
years for the good. Amen.
00:34:58.95\00:35:02.44
Within our church
and attitudes of people
00:35:02.45\00:35:04.56
saying, you know
what? We all have problems,
00:35:04.57\00:35:06.44
And we all are sinners
saved by grace and let's
00:35:06.86\00:35:09.91
just love each
other. And I'm so thankful,
00:35:09.92\00:35:11.60
I'm seeing you know.
And we all want to be
00:35:11.61\00:35:14.33
free of that stuff.
Yeah, yeah. Your, your story
00:35:14.34\00:35:18.34
is incredible and
that's why we wanted to go
00:35:18.35\00:35:20.82
over again some of
it, because I think there
00:35:20.83\00:35:22.54
are people watching
tonight who is right
00:35:22.55\00:35:25.06
where you, you
were. And some are through
00:35:25.07\00:35:27.47
different stages
maybe they're watching this
00:35:27.48\00:35:29.96
because now they've
start to going to church,
00:35:29.97\00:35:31.95
but somebody's not loving them.
00:35:32.36\00:35:33.43
You know, they're,
they're still maybe
00:35:33.88\00:35:35.67
they're judging them
and. I say call me up.
00:35:35.68\00:35:38.21
Call Cheri. I'll love
you till you can stand on
00:35:38.50\00:35:40.66
your own. And, and she will too.
00:35:40.67\00:35:43.03
And she will do that,
I know that she didn't
00:35:43.04\00:35:45.36
just talk about it, she does it
00:35:45.37\00:35:47.22
and she loves people.
We say around here she
00:35:47.23\00:35:49.19
loves her ears off
you know, loves your socks
00:35:49.20\00:35:51.76
off, but thank you
for what you do for the
00:35:51.77\00:35:54.40
cause of God.
Amen. Now, you, you all
00:35:54.41\00:35:56.83
of this begin to
happen you came to 3ABN and
00:35:56.84\00:35:58.81
you started doing programs,
00:35:58.82\00:36:00.06
people started
inviting you to churches,
00:36:00.07\00:36:01.91
you started a
ministry, what's the
00:36:02.39\00:36:03.67
name of your
ministry? True Step Ministries.
00:36:03.68\00:36:05.40
Okay and why the
name and what does it do?
00:36:05.73\00:36:07.84
Well, I think that
there was a lot of talk about
00:36:07.85\00:36:10.87
Twelve Step Ministries,
so it hadn't gone to one,
00:36:10.88\00:36:13.22
so we were
trying to play off that,
00:36:13.23\00:36:14.78
Twelve Step, True
Step, so True Step Ministries
00:36:15.26\00:36:17.86
and it started out
where it was just basically
00:36:17.87\00:36:22.54
getting someone from
that first initial step
00:36:22.55\00:36:25.64
word, all the
sudden they look up and,
00:36:25.65\00:36:27.70
and realized there is
a God and, and He wants
00:36:28.17\00:36:31.30
to help me. You know,
and so was that initial
00:36:31.31\00:36:33.77
thing and it was
drugs and alcohol and it
00:36:33.78\00:36:35.72
became drugs alcohol
and eating disorders.
00:36:35.73\00:36:38.18
And then it became
drugs and alcohol and
00:36:38.19\00:36:40.32
depression then it
became drugs, alcohol
00:36:40.33\00:36:42.64
and judgmental
stuff, and it becomes drugs,
00:36:42.65\00:36:45.01
alcohol and
religious addictions, and then
00:36:45.02\00:36:46.98
finally I just said
lets just do everybody.
00:36:46.99\00:36:48.89
So, lets open the
door. So I wanted to tell you
00:36:50.39\00:36:55.71
that in the mean
time, I'm working in the
00:36:55.72\00:36:58.38
nursing field, where
this is before the ministry.
00:36:58.39\00:37:00.59
Working in the nursing
field, working addiction
00:37:00.60\00:37:02.40
to counseling and, and
doing all kinds of stuff,
00:37:02.41\00:37:05.10
trying to get my
life together and,
00:37:05.11\00:37:08.41
my friend says,
Cheri, you really should do
00:37:08.42\00:37:12.40
something fun. And
I'm thinking my whole life
00:37:12.41\00:37:15.52
is changed. You know,
so I'm thinking and this
00:37:15.53\00:37:17.34
is fun and she said,
no, no like fun, like you
00:37:17.35\00:37:20.18
should go to a, you
know, I'm doing fund
00:37:20.19\00:37:22.61
raising at the
symphony and I, I'll get some
00:37:22.62\00:37:26.09
tickets we'll go to a concert.
00:37:26.10\00:37:27.37
And I thought, oh! Shut
up, heroin addicts can't
00:37:27.79\00:37:29.86
go to classical concerts,
so you know what I'm like?
00:37:29.87\00:37:32.45
You know I'm thinking,
I think that's illegal or
00:37:32.63\00:37:35.31
something they're
not gonna let me come and
00:37:35.32\00:37:37.65
she's like, no stop,
it would be fine and.
00:37:37.66\00:37:40.69
And so, she got
tickets and, and she said you
00:37:41.01\00:37:43.82
know, and for some
reason I had not done
00:37:43.83\00:37:47.08
anything at that
point. And this is how
00:37:47.09\00:37:50.64
ridiculous it was.
I had not long before
00:37:50.65\00:37:53.17
then gotten my
first time a set of
00:37:53.18\00:37:55.46
silverware that
matched. And when I was putting
00:37:55.47\00:37:58.49
them in the
drawer I wanted to weep,
00:37:58.50\00:37:59.99
just the fact that you
know, these are not just
00:38:00.26\00:38:02.20
mismatch pieces and
they all kind of they
00:38:02.21\00:38:04.25
were, they got, I
got them at Kmart or
00:38:04.26\00:38:06.84
something, I mean
they weren't, but they
00:38:06.85\00:38:08.14
matched and. And
so this is kind of
00:38:08.15\00:38:10.37
you know, you know,
I'm getting silverware
00:38:10.38\00:38:11.98
that matches and
I'm excited about,
00:38:11.99\00:38:13.58
so she is talking about
classical concerts and it
00:38:13.59\00:38:15.55
was just too big
and, she said you know,
00:38:15.56\00:38:17.37
it would be fun and,
I, it just felt magical to
00:38:17.78\00:38:20.32
me and she said, but
you got to be on time
00:38:20.33\00:38:21.97
you know, we're gonna
do this concert and you
00:38:22.22\00:38:23.71
got to be on time
and, and I said, you know,
00:38:23.72\00:38:25.90
okay so, so I get
dressed up and I'm
00:38:25.91\00:38:28.09
telling you I just
beautiful, it was just
00:38:28.10\00:38:30.49
unbelievable and,
and, and, and she's late.
00:38:30.50\00:38:33.90
And so, I'm on time,
but she's late, and I'm
00:38:33.91\00:38:35.59
thinking, how ridiculous
you're late and, and so
00:38:35.60\00:38:38.79
she was, you know,
she finally shows up and,
00:38:38.80\00:38:40.82
she knows she's late
and she is gonna like speed
00:38:41.04\00:38:42.88
to the concert hall
and she is pretty much
00:38:42.89\00:38:45.02
running lights and
we get there and instead
00:38:45.03\00:38:46.92
of going through
the box office she says,
00:38:46.93\00:38:48.46
you know, what I
think it will be okay,
00:38:48.47\00:38:49.80
if we just go
through back stage entrance,
00:38:49.81\00:38:51.80
then we would go
in and just sit down.
00:38:52.18\00:38:53.34
And I'm thinking I
haven't been arrested
00:38:53.95\00:38:55.32
in a long time. You
know, I don't want to be
00:38:55.33\00:38:58.44
arrested now you
know. And so, so, so I said,
00:38:58.45\00:39:02.24
you think it's okay
and she says, I think and
00:39:02.25\00:39:03.78
I said, you know,
let's just go through to the
00:39:03.79\00:39:05.51
front, no, no let's
go through the back.
00:39:05.52\00:39:06.95
And so we come to
the back and Brad,
00:39:07.41\00:39:09.44
this Brad and a
guy named Steve catches
00:39:10.38\00:39:12.90
s and they really
don't want you to come
00:39:12.91\00:39:14.63
through the back.
You know, and so you
00:39:14.64\00:39:16.19
know, they've got,
then when they go on stage
00:39:16.20\00:39:18.57
they have their, I
don't know what exactly
00:39:18.58\00:39:20.87
happened, but you
and me they would have
00:39:20.88\00:39:22.42
thrown us out. Both
of us, out in the street,
00:39:22.43\00:39:24.66
would have thrown us
out, yeah, I got a feeling
00:39:24.93\00:39:26.90
that they went ahead. I agree.
00:39:26.91\00:39:28.81
They did let us
through, okay, you know,
00:39:28.82\00:39:31.03
with her she's just
like you know, we're
00:39:33.16\00:39:35.62
late and we're, we're
gonna go sit down and,
00:39:35.63\00:39:37.71
and it's funny
'cause Brad kind of gave me
00:39:38.07\00:39:42.28
this look that made me
feel like oh! Baby I'm,
00:39:42.29\00:39:46.34
I'm a addict in
recovery I will eat you alive,
00:39:46.80\00:39:49.86
don't even look at me
and I wanna put a sign
00:39:49.87\00:39:52.52
up like I don't do
relationships well,
00:39:52.53\00:39:54.93
I'm messed up, I'm
just trying to do recovery.
00:39:54.94\00:39:57.46
And so, but you
know, you can't just say
00:39:58.16\00:39:59.72
that out loud,
alright. So, anyhow so he,
00:39:59.73\00:40:02.36
they help us to sit
down and, and at one point
00:40:02.37\00:40:04.86
Steve says, well
they're having a party,
00:40:06.22\00:40:08.16
the orchestra is
going to the high regency
00:40:08.17\00:40:10.00
afterwards, they're
gonna sit in with the
00:40:10.01\00:40:11.75
band and, and, and
its Steve's birthday.
00:40:11.76\00:40:15.34
So, Brad was with the orchestra?
00:40:15.35\00:40:16.93
Yeah, okay, alright, he
wasn't the security guy,
00:40:16.94\00:40:19.88
he was an orchestra guy.
00:40:19.89\00:40:20.92
I cannot, I cannot wait
to, I just, I can't hold it
00:40:20.93\00:40:23.26
anymore, yeah. First time you
00:40:23.27\00:40:24.62
saw her, what oh! Baby what?
00:40:24.63\00:40:26.39
We want to hear it
right. Well, it was really
00:40:30.67\00:40:33.17
funny because we, we
found out later on she
00:40:33.18\00:40:35.25
had just broken up
with somebody and I just
00:40:35.26\00:40:37.16
been dumped by
somebody, so you know, it wasn't
00:40:37.17\00:40:39.09
one of those things
where it was like, okay
00:40:39.10\00:40:40.81
here's my friend and
the girl was dating my
00:40:40.82\00:40:42.95
friend you know and
all of a sudden here's this
00:40:42.96\00:40:44.73
other girl in tow. And
it's like hey, you know.
00:40:44.74\00:40:47.57
Did you think I was cute though?
00:40:48.94\00:40:50.54
Oh! Oh! Baby.
Good man. Oh! Baby.
00:40:50.88\00:40:55.33
So, so, it changed you well.
00:40:56.63\00:40:57.60
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, we end up after the,
00:40:57.61\00:41:01.36
the concert and it
was a magical and we go to
00:41:01.67\00:41:04.93
the Hyatt and Brad is
at one point on the stage
00:41:04.94\00:41:08.37
playing trumpet with
the, sitting in with the,
00:41:08.38\00:41:09.96
sitting in with the
band. And he gives me the
00:41:09.97\00:41:12.98
eye and I thought oh!
He is giving me the eye
00:41:12.99\00:41:15.09
this poor guy and I, poor guy.
00:41:15.10\00:41:17.28
And he says, at
one point he says,
00:41:17.84\00:41:19.58
who are you? You
know, and it was kind
00:41:20.53\00:41:22.78
of a romantic
like, who are you anyway?
00:41:22.79\00:41:24.73
And I thought I
better just tell him.
00:41:25.29\00:41:26.63
I'm a heroin
addict for recovery,
00:41:27.19\00:41:28.48
I've been
homeless for ten years,
00:41:28.49\00:41:29.52
I'm just trying to
get my life together,
00:41:29.53\00:41:30.99
my family are drug
addicts, my sister's a
00:41:31.00\00:41:32.95
stripper, my other
sister makes meth at my
00:41:32.96\00:41:35.65
mom's house and
you know what I mean,
00:41:35.66\00:41:37.35
I just went through
this whole thing and
00:41:37.36\00:41:38.64
he starts
laughing. So, I said to him,
00:41:38.65\00:41:40.92
who are you?
And he said, well my
00:41:41.14\00:41:42.86
dad is the ambassador
for the United States,
00:41:42.87\00:41:45.27
my mom is a classical
musician plays violin,
00:41:45.54\00:41:48.60
I've been in orchestras
in my whole life I was
00:41:48.61\00:41:50.67
the boy scout,
eagle scout and I started
00:41:50.68\00:41:53.30
laughing, match made in heaven.
00:41:53.31\00:41:54.40
So, we both just
laughed about how
00:41:56.30\00:41:58.56
ridiculous the
differences were and, alright.
00:41:58.57\00:42:01.38
And then kind of one
thing led to another we,
00:42:02.08\00:42:04.44
we, I think we realized
that at one part that we
00:42:04.45\00:42:06.96
probably wouldn't really date,
00:42:06.97\00:42:09.25
but we enjoyed
each others companies,
00:42:09.70\00:42:11.47
so he was a golfer
and taught me how to play
00:42:11.48\00:42:13.50
golf and you know, what I did,
00:42:13.51\00:42:15.13
you guys play golf at
all? Yeah, yeah we try.
00:42:15.14\00:42:17.44
So, listen, when we
came, this what happened.
00:42:17.45\00:42:19.56
He comes to takes
me out and he says,
00:42:20.09\00:42:22.13
he shows me a
couple swings and we swing
00:42:22.47\00:42:24.20
and he puts a
ball down and he said,
00:42:24.21\00:42:25.64
I want you not to hit it
have to up in the air and
00:42:25.65\00:42:28.30
have it land by that
hole, and I thought oh
00:42:28.31\00:42:30.41
Okay. So, I hit it
went up in the air and then
00:42:30.42\00:42:32.39
landed by that home and
he is just like I love her.
00:42:32.40\00:42:34.88
So, what was the first
thing I ever bought you
00:42:38.60\00:42:40.00
then remember
that? Golf shoes and golf
00:42:40.01\00:42:43.40
shoes are like an
engagement ring for a
00:42:43.41\00:42:44.89
golfer, so I knew,
well he was serious at that
00:42:44.90\00:42:49.08
point. But you know,
and, and then I had to
00:42:49.09\00:42:51.16
take him home to meet
my family who you know,
00:42:51.17\00:42:53.46
they're doing drugs,
so you weren't kidding.
00:42:53.47\00:42:55.30
Yes, yes, yeah. And
then I had to make a
00:42:55.31\00:42:57.79
decision 'cause at
one point when I took him
00:42:57.80\00:42:59.86
home I said, if we
do get anymore serious
00:42:59.87\00:43:02.83
than you're right
now. Then this is gonna be
00:43:02.84\00:43:04.46
your children's grandparents.
00:43:04.47\00:43:05.84
And so, it really
is seriously for you to
00:43:06.34\00:43:07.96
think about that,
but at that point, I'm in
00:43:07.97\00:43:10.35
recovery you
know, I'm working in the
00:43:10.36\00:43:12.81
hospitals in town,
I've been in recovery
00:43:12.82\00:43:14.66
for a long time.
And I think that the
00:43:14.67\00:43:16.75
first thing he said to
me is, are you sure you
00:43:16.76\00:43:18.66
weren't adopted?
But we ended up, yeah,
00:43:18.67\00:43:23.56
falling in love and
he asked me to marry him.
00:43:23.57\00:43:25.55
Brad, let me ask
you because you know
00:43:25.56\00:43:27.39
you're discovering
these areas of her life
00:43:27.40\00:43:30.79
you know, like sort
of peeling of an onion,
00:43:30.80\00:43:32.50
you're getting in
deeper, and deeper, and deeper,
00:43:32.51\00:43:34.23
what's going through
your head, are you ever
00:43:34.67\00:43:35.96
saying, you know,
I need to get out of
00:43:35.97\00:43:37.13
here and take the
first thing smoking away
00:43:37.14\00:43:38.80
from this lady, or
where you so invested.
00:43:38.81\00:43:41.19
How was your mind
functioning at this,
00:43:41.20\00:43:44.24
at this time? You
know, it was really
00:43:44.25\00:43:45.73
interesting
because I had been married
00:43:45.74\00:43:48.43
previously and you
know, kind of found out
00:43:48.44\00:43:50.76
that I'm getting
involved with this
00:43:50.77\00:43:52.60
woman and, and I
didn't want to get married
00:43:52.61\00:43:54.70
again, a number of
different things to come
00:43:54.71\00:43:57.17
up and you know,
being that typical guys like
00:43:57.18\00:43:59.02
well I've got this
little checklist okay,
00:43:59.03\00:44:00.78
is she cute, okay that's good.
00:44:00.79\00:44:03.30
You know and, and
what was really crazy
00:44:03.76\00:44:07.25
and, and this was
hard to believe, but
00:44:07.26\00:44:09.16
because of her
background Cheri was I'm gonna
00:44:09.17\00:44:12.89
just gonna say,
socially undeveloped.
00:44:12.90\00:44:15.11
I couldn't
speak to other people.
00:44:15.42\00:44:17.07
You know, my mom,
my mom and dad were
00:44:17.08\00:44:18.72
visiting and aunt
and uncle were down you
00:44:18.73\00:44:20.65
know, we all got
together and we're
00:44:20.66\00:44:21.69
sitting in the hotel
room and, and my mom and
00:44:21.70\00:44:23.66
dad were all sitting
like this and Cheri was
00:44:23.67\00:44:25.29
sitting over in the
corner on the bed silent,
00:44:25.30\00:44:28.48
silent. Can you
imagine this woman silent?
00:44:29.19\00:44:31.75
I'm like, but she is
silent and so at one point and
00:44:32.20\00:44:35.02
this is I think one of
the funniest things and
00:44:35.03\00:44:37.03
you know, I've, I
just want you to know I've
00:44:37.04\00:44:39.17
changed since then right okay.
00:44:39.18\00:44:40.65
You, you confess
this. I looked at her at one
00:44:41.08\00:44:42.83
point and I said,
I'm really worried that
00:44:42.84\00:44:44.29
you're not smart
enough to be with me because
00:44:44.30\00:44:47.38
she wouldn't,
nothing would come out her
00:44:47.39\00:44:49.07
mouth and these
place and she couldn't,
00:44:49.08\00:44:50.69
she just socially was
not used to be in, in these
00:44:50.70\00:44:53.33
environments, she
said, she said you wanted to
00:44:53.34\00:44:55.47
punch me out,
but she didn't think,
00:44:55.48\00:44:58.48
of course she didn't think,
00:44:58.57\00:44:59.54
I still got my
teeth. You know, and so,
00:44:59.55\00:45:02.22
you know, there
were some dynamics that
00:45:02.85\00:45:04.50
way, yeah, but forever
reason it was just like
00:45:04.51\00:45:06.91
you know what I think we're
00:45:06.92\00:45:07.89
supposed to be together.
And so, so you felt that
00:45:07.90\00:45:11.06
even at that, at that time?
00:45:11.07\00:45:12.25
Yeah, and, and you
know looking back on it
00:45:12.26\00:45:14.72
there's so many
things in our lives where God
00:45:15.25\00:45:16.96
you know, it was a,
and then God brought Brad
00:45:16.97\00:45:18.67
and Cheri together
and then God moved them,
00:45:18.68\00:45:20.35
you know, I mean
there are stories about all
00:45:20.36\00:45:21.97
these places in our
lives that is so clearly God's
00:45:21.98\00:45:24.78
hand on it that it's,
it's just, it's really.
00:45:24.79\00:45:28.57
But at the time
you're not a Christian? No.
00:45:28.58\00:45:30.76
Tell us how, what
kind of and your home,
00:45:31.40\00:45:34.22
where, where did God
take place, where was
00:45:35.35\00:45:37.51
God in your home? It
was real interesting,
00:45:37.52\00:45:39.05
I was raised in the
Methodist Church and
00:45:39.06\00:45:42.31
well I had parents
that went to church again
00:45:42.92\00:45:44.68
I'm looking back as
you'll talk about this
00:45:44.69\00:45:46.72
little bit more as we go along.
00:45:46.73\00:45:48.09
We went to church on
Sunday and that was it,
00:45:48.80\00:45:50.46
you know, and we
said grace over meals,
00:45:50.60\00:45:52.06
but they really wasn't
any spiritual leadership
00:45:52.07\00:45:55.01
in our house by
either of my parents.
00:45:55.02\00:45:58.26
And so, while we, I
really had a wonderful
00:45:58.54\00:46:01.24
upbringing great
middle class and my dad was a
00:46:01.25\00:46:04.72
research engineer for
the Federal Government
00:46:04.73\00:46:06.48
and wind up doing
an ambassadorship to
00:46:06.49\00:46:08.68
Bangladesh, to help
them rebuild after the
00:46:08.69\00:46:10.91
civil war. My mom
played in the first violin
00:46:10.92\00:46:14.00
section of the
Madison symphony orchestra for
00:46:14.01\00:46:15.72
50 years and retired at 83.
00:46:15.73\00:46:18.30
So I mean I had
that kind of environment
00:46:18.31\00:46:20.22
that I was raised in, so
much different than hers.
00:46:20.23\00:46:22.48
But, really I, I
got confirm to 9th grade
00:46:23.72\00:46:25.71
and I was said, I was
done, I had stop going
00:46:25.72\00:46:27.52
to church, hadn't going
to church and I don't know.
00:46:27.53\00:46:29.66
So, when your life
there was, when you got up
00:46:29.67\00:46:32.27
in the day you didn't
say, well Lord well you
00:46:32.28\00:46:35.24
know, anything
what to do with the Lord
00:46:35.25\00:46:36.73
you just, you just
got up, and just get
00:46:36.74\00:46:39.67
a life on your
own. Ate some cheerios
00:46:39.68\00:46:41.36
and went about
my business, okay.
00:46:41.37\00:46:42.82
So you never really put
any thought to spiritual
00:46:43.47\00:46:45.92
you didn't look
certain things and say wow!
00:46:45.93\00:46:47.85
That's God doing this,
the boy that happens it
00:46:47.86\00:46:50.69
must be a miracle, he
never thought that way.
00:46:50.70\00:46:52.73
No, no, okay. It's
real under seen looking
00:46:52.74\00:46:55.84
back, there was one
time where I remember
00:46:55.85\00:46:58.43
I had a dream when I
was living in Santiago
00:46:58.44\00:47:00.70
before I met Cheri
you know in bolted wake in
00:47:00.71\00:47:03.57
the middle of the
night with this image and
00:47:03.58\00:47:05.00
it was absolutely my
mind image of Satan in
00:47:05.01\00:47:06.80
my mind you know, it
was just like this and
00:47:06.81\00:47:08.98
you know, to add I
mean scared I woke up
00:47:08.99\00:47:11.51
scared and you know,
but I wasn't going to
00:47:11.52\00:47:13.79
church I couldn't
associate with any
00:47:13.80\00:47:15.70
significance one way or another.
00:47:15.71\00:47:18.21
And so at the time
when I meet her I mean they
00:47:18.77\00:47:20.58
really was nothing
spiritual going on, okay,
00:47:20.59\00:47:22.58
so ever. But Cheri
you had given your life to
00:47:22.59\00:47:25.17
God, but you're now
you're kind of what?
00:47:25.18\00:47:27.47
Have you just quit?
I just first I went out
00:47:27.48\00:47:30.38
and I tried different
churches and different
00:47:30.39\00:47:32.25
things you know like.
But did you back on the
00:47:32.26\00:47:33.93
drugs and all that
too when you left? No,
00:47:33.94\00:47:35.77
started to drink a
little bit, but not really,
00:47:35.78\00:47:37.73
quit going to
church, stop going to church
00:47:37.74\00:47:39.48
and, and not you know,
Brad I don't even know,
00:47:39.49\00:47:42.79
if I mentioned I
really talked a lot about what
00:47:42.80\00:47:45.79
had happened. And what I felt is
00:47:45.80\00:47:48.01
that you know, I, I you
know, if I just felt like
00:47:48.02\00:47:52.49
I couldn't be accepted
in the church environment,
00:47:52.50\00:47:54.48
that I'm not good
enough, I don't know how to
00:47:54.49\00:47:56.00
do it all that kind of stuff,
00:47:56.01\00:47:57.22
so I'm just walking
away. In my mind I don't
00:47:57.23\00:47:59.59
think I walked away from God,
00:47:59.60\00:48:00.68
but I definitely
walked away from the church,
00:48:00.69\00:48:02.39
but with Brad when we
met there was nothing,
00:48:03.55\00:48:05.41
there was
nothing, they like we could
00:48:06.58\00:48:08.47
never discuss spiritual things.
00:48:08.48\00:48:10.51
She didn't come up so.
So, it was real interesting
00:48:10.80\00:48:13.05
and it, and it's kind
of an interesting story God
00:48:13.06\00:48:15.33
moved us to Idaho,
we were living in the
00:48:15.34\00:48:16.94
Sacramento area and
you know, I really think
00:48:16.95\00:48:20.41
it's an interesting
story, a friend of mine called
00:48:20.42\00:48:22.95
me up on very short
notice to go sub for him
00:48:22.96\00:48:27.70
at this little
music festival in Elkhorn,
00:48:27.71\00:48:29.64
which is the Sun valley area.
00:48:29.65\00:48:30.84
And so, on a
week's notice I'm up there
00:48:31.59\00:48:32.92
playing this music festival.
00:48:32.93\00:48:34.29
And half way through
the first tone turns to
00:48:34.84\00:48:36.99
me and, and says, hey
we've an opening in the
00:48:37.00\00:48:39.32
Boise
Philharmonic in Boise, Idaho.
00:48:39.33\00:48:41.32
Well, I was
remember the Sacramento
00:48:41.58\00:48:42.88
Symphony, which was
a larger job, but when
00:48:42.89\00:48:45.37
she didn't know was
I was Union Steward on
00:48:45.38\00:48:47.29
the Negotiating
Committee, the orchestra was
00:48:47.30\00:48:49.09
$750,000 in debt,
and just like the NFL a
00:48:49.10\00:48:52.74
striker will walk
out was sitting there.
00:48:52.75\00:48:54.74
Okay, and it's gonna
you know, something is
00:48:54.75\00:48:56.90
gonna happen and, and
it's not gonna be fun.
00:48:56.91\00:48:59.90
So, I thought I'll go
take the audition, maybe
00:49:00.35\00:49:02.31
take a years of
leave absence and that
00:49:02.32\00:49:04.78
shouldn't be too
much competition you know
00:49:04.79\00:49:06.49
I've auditioned for
the Chicago Symphony and
00:49:06.50\00:49:08.10
500 guys you're,
you're going against 500
00:49:08.11\00:49:10.15
players even on a
good day you may not win.
00:49:10.16\00:49:12.61
Only six guys
showed up this audition,
00:49:13.62\00:49:15.61
this was in 1992,
September of '92 I won
00:49:15.62\00:49:18.23
the job for the
Boise Philharmonic.
00:49:18.24\00:49:19.90
In December of
1992, the Sacramento
00:49:20.64\00:49:23.08
Symphony filed chapter
seven and close their door.
00:49:23.09\00:49:25.96
Wow! Wow! The 13
years. And so, God had you
00:49:25.97\00:49:28.89
know, I mean
looking back you know,
00:49:28.90\00:49:30.51
God had moved Brad
and Cheri, so we get to
00:49:30.98\00:49:33.97
Idaho and suddently
I'm going back to church.
00:49:33.98\00:49:36.66
So, but you know,
I'm, I'm going back to
00:49:37.17\00:49:38.82
church, but listen God
is so cool because that's
00:49:38.83\00:49:40.89
what people say, if
they don't have a recovery
00:49:40.90\00:49:43.16
program or whatever
will God take care of you.
00:49:43.17\00:49:45.07
I found this little
tiny church in Idaho.
00:49:45.40\00:49:48.07
And it's right by a
little organization called
00:49:48.57\00:49:51.00
Pacific Press. And, an
Adventist Church, yeah,
00:49:51.01\00:49:55.19
so, so I, I went
back and the people that
00:49:55.20\00:49:59.52
befriended me was
Randy Maxwell and his
00:49:59.53\00:50:01.81
mom Cheryl Maxwell.
Oh! Okay, they're great.
00:50:01.82\00:50:03.81
And you know,
yeah, and you know,
00:50:04.80\00:50:06.07
everybody formed
that ministry and though
00:50:06.08\00:50:08.66
those, the people from
that ministry were just
00:50:08.67\00:50:11.50
you know, come on in
and I finally said out
00:50:11.90\00:50:14.08
loud to someone
that I'm not gonna hide
00:50:14.09\00:50:16.35
where I've come from, I
all I know is I love God
00:50:16.36\00:50:19.16
and I need Him and I
can't leave the building again.
00:50:19.17\00:50:22.04
And so, I started
to be honest with where
00:50:22.51\00:50:24.53
I came from, they
loved the fact that God was
00:50:24.54\00:50:28.68
God and he had
brought me out of all that and
00:50:28.69\00:50:30.69
so, I didn't
have to hide anymore.
00:50:30.70\00:50:32.30
And Stan Hudson was
the pastor there and he
00:50:33.13\00:50:35.39
was so amazing 'cause
he, he, he was the kind
00:50:35.40\00:50:39.71
of pastor and I think
all pastors should be like
00:50:41.71\00:50:42.68
this, is his gig
was to stand you up in
00:50:42.69\00:50:44.20
ministry, what are
your gifts, and how are you
00:50:44.21\00:50:46.34
gonna stand up? There you go.
00:50:46.35\00:50:47.33
And that was he,
that's what he did with his
00:50:47.34\00:50:49.41
congregation and so,
I, I think God literally
00:50:49.42\00:50:52.60
moved us to a place
where it was a really
00:50:52.61\00:50:55.84
safe place for me to
come in and sit back down.
00:50:55.85\00:50:58.46
When and then I go
home and tell Brad you
00:50:58.73\00:51:00.43
know, like I think
I'm gonna get in ministry
00:51:00.44\00:51:02.22
and he is just like
what? What happened to the
00:51:02.23\00:51:05.90
girl I married,
where did she go.
00:51:05.91\00:51:07.15
You know, and he is
like you and, and for
00:51:07.72\00:51:10.00
him because he is not
into this at all and he
00:51:10.01\00:51:12.52
says, well does it
pay and I, I'm mad now.
00:51:12.53\00:51:14.88
You know, all of
for ten years while I'm
00:51:15.43\00:51:17.05
homeless, every guy
that worked any of us
00:51:17.06\00:51:20.83
girls is how much are
you gonna bring in and
00:51:20.84\00:51:22.87
does it pay, yeah.
So, what I heard is you
00:51:22.88\00:51:25.33
can't turn ministry
into the same thing that
00:51:25.34\00:51:27.41
I grew with on the streets.
00:51:27.42\00:51:28.78
And so, I was it was
a really big conflict,
00:51:29.07\00:51:31.39
where he didn't
know that's what he was
00:51:31.40\00:51:32.84
doing, but that's what buttons
00:51:32.85\00:51:34.25
he was pushing and.
Sure, so it was really
00:51:34.26\00:51:36.17
tough initially on you and I.
00:51:36.18\00:51:38.28
Right in my mind because she,
00:51:38.29\00:51:39.39
she had stepped away
from her career in the
00:51:39.40\00:51:41.83
medical area you
know, in, in helping in the
00:51:41.84\00:51:43.62
psych industry and
look at musicians don't make
00:51:43.63\00:51:45.94
a lot of money
you know, and so you
00:51:45.95\00:51:48.37
know, it was funny
and, and looking at that was
00:51:48.38\00:51:51.66
my concern was, can
we pay the bills and,
00:51:51.67\00:51:53.88
wasn't till later on
as we're doing some of our
00:51:53.89\00:51:55.57
healing that I saw
her perspective of you're
00:51:55.58\00:51:58.15
making we feel like
I'm dancing in the club and
00:51:58.16\00:52:00.11
I'm working for
God. Okay, wow, and that
00:52:00.12\00:52:03.33
perspective never
even, I wasn't even aware of
00:52:03.49\00:52:05.72
it at that point.
At one point when he,
00:52:05.73\00:52:07.49
when he was aware of
that, I just saw him tear
00:52:07.50\00:52:11.23
up and say, I'm so
sorry. I never there was never
00:52:11.24\00:52:14.65
my intention to ever
make you feel that way.
00:52:14.66\00:52:16.38
One of the things
that I have say that even
00:52:16.79\00:52:18.43
though the direction
turned and I ended up
00:52:18.44\00:52:21.14
back in the church and you know,
00:52:21.15\00:52:22.66
we had conflicts
over that for 14 years,
00:52:22.67\00:52:25.30
that I never had,
Brad never said anything
00:52:26.29\00:52:28.52
about my past to
me, he never came up and
00:52:28.53\00:52:30.45
said, you know, I
should have figured you
00:52:30.46\00:52:32.84
were gonna do
this wherever we came
00:52:32.85\00:52:34.29
from, it was always,
I always felt very loved
00:52:34.30\00:52:38.23
by you, I never
thought judged as far as my
00:52:38.24\00:52:40.46
background, which
was I think a miracle.
00:52:40.47\00:52:42.99
So, it was, for me it
was real interesting and that
00:52:43.95\00:52:46.14
certainly she gives
her testimony at church.
00:52:46.15\00:52:48.69
And by the time she
gets out, she has two
00:52:49.06\00:52:50.57
offers to publish her
life story, so a miracle from
00:52:50.58\00:52:52.88
the streets gets
written, suddenly that you
00:52:52.89\00:52:55.48
know, she's been asked
to speak next thing you
00:52:55.49\00:52:57.27
know and being
such a low key person,
00:52:57.28\00:53:00.11
she is next thing you
know, there is a five,
00:53:00.12\00:53:01.88
501C3 in existence and
she is often running and
00:53:01.89\00:53:05.60
doing this stuff.
You know, and I mean
00:53:05.61\00:53:07.70
I have things going
on. We're going to Thailand
00:53:07.71\00:53:08.88
and Russia. Yeah, yeah
you know, I've got stuff
00:53:08.89\00:53:10.68
going on, but I'm
playing in a symphony,
00:53:10.76\00:53:11.98
orchestra and,
running a jazz fest.
00:53:11.99\00:53:14.37
And, and God was
blessing us and you
00:53:14.38\00:53:16.79
know, I was maybe
giving him a little
00:53:16.80\00:53:18.35
credit, but not as
much as he should you know,
00:53:18.36\00:53:20.69
I wind up getting a
really cool job earning
00:53:20.70\00:53:22.46
this Jazz festival I
mean we brought in Dave
00:53:22.47\00:53:24.44
Brubeck and
Ramsey Lewis and Kevin
00:53:24.45\00:53:26.15
Eubanks and you know, these are,
00:53:26.16\00:53:27.80
big names in industry.
Major players and we're
00:53:28.33\00:53:30.45
educating kids in doing
all this stuff you know,
00:53:30.46\00:53:33.83
God keeps hit me
upside the head you
00:53:34.82\00:53:36.89
know, and I finally
even, even at one point
00:53:36.90\00:53:39.02
I decided to join
the Adventist Church,
00:53:39.03\00:53:41.06
so I got
baptized, which was huge.
00:53:41.73\00:53:43.08
Which was huge, but
still I mean I really kind
00:53:43.46\00:53:45.46
of led this in, at
home, no devotions, not that
00:53:45.47\00:53:48.49
stuff you know, it's
like okay I'm good now.
00:53:48.50\00:53:50.89
So, you kind of
sympathy in and surrender.
00:53:50.90\00:53:53.64
Yeah, let me ask you a
quick question because.
00:53:53.65\00:53:56.09
When did it occur to
you that because at one
00:53:56.52\00:53:59.54
point, I don't think
it's smart enough for me?
00:53:59.55\00:54:01.23
When did it hit you
that you're involved?
00:54:01.78\00:54:04.99
When did it
occur to you that she
00:54:07.96\00:54:09.42
is smarter than you? That's what
00:54:09.43\00:54:11.49
he's trying to
say. Yeah, that's what
00:54:11.50\00:54:14.19
he's trying to say.
That she was a a really,
00:54:14.20\00:54:15.39
really bright
person. Yeah, yeah I know,
00:54:15.40\00:54:18.72
well you remember that
I said without actually
00:54:18.73\00:54:21.00
pretty early and I
didn't make me too long to
00:54:21.01\00:54:22.47
on realize man,
she reads a book and
00:54:22.48\00:54:24.00
she's like it's
memorized, yeah, yeah. You know,
00:54:24.01\00:54:27.06
you're brilliant you
know, I have more education
00:54:27.07\00:54:29.67
and she is brilliant.
And so, I, I did, I didn't
00:54:29.68\00:54:32.64
take too long actually,
yeah, and it was, it was
00:54:32.65\00:54:34.79
really funny. He
asked me even about
00:54:34.80\00:54:36.37
Adventism, he is
like you know, Cheri
00:54:36.38\00:54:38.56
you know, and he
knew I studied everything
00:54:38.95\00:54:41.10
and, and but I
would have just books in
00:54:41.11\00:54:43.64
concordance and things
laid out because I want
00:54:43.65\00:54:45.70
to know that what
you know was real, right?
00:54:45.71\00:54:47.77
And, and so and I'm
blessed when somebody
00:54:48.19\00:54:50.41
says the Ten
Commandments and you know,
00:54:50.42\00:54:52.13
I'm coming out of
all these junk, God said,
00:54:52.14\00:54:54.13
you know, you have
changed and you're in
00:54:54.67\00:54:56.62
bondage and all that
if you understand these
00:54:56.63\00:54:58.70
commandment you'll be free.
00:54:58.71\00:54:59.88
You know, so I
knew that I was gonna be
00:55:00.37\00:55:01.88
free, so I studied all that,
00:55:01.89\00:55:03.12
and so he is like why?
Adventism, yeah, you're
00:55:03.44\00:55:05.86
so wild, you should
be like a Pentecostal,
00:55:05.87\00:55:08.42
and that's like
anybody you know, you know,
00:55:09.99\00:55:13.12
I hope it get us
in trouble, yeah.
00:55:14.69\00:55:15.86
But you know. And
I told her to behave,
00:55:17.09\00:55:18.66
I didn't talking to
you. He is like why Adventism
00:55:18.67\00:55:22.61
and then I've got a,
the only thing I could tell
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him is I give you
looked in the Bible you would
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realize that
these truths are true.
00:55:26.64\00:55:28.54
And you know, we
talked about the health
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message like I'm, I'm
strung out, I've hepatitis
00:55:30.31\00:55:33.07
A, B, and C, I've got
all this kind of stuff and,
00:55:33.08\00:55:35.59
and the health
message is giving me my life
00:55:35.60\00:55:38.15
back, he is giving
me brain cells really to
00:55:38.16\00:55:39.75
think back I'm, I'm
getting brain cells that
00:55:39.76\00:55:42.20
I don't think I
had I'm getting all
00:55:42.21\00:55:43.83
that I kind to
stuff. And so you know,
00:55:43.84\00:55:45.63
what I'm, what I'm
sharing with him over
00:55:45.64\00:55:47.21
the years as even all this.
00:55:47.22\00:55:49.46
And, and, and he starts
to explore a little bit.
00:55:49.85\00:55:52.59
Right, but what,
what because I realize she
00:55:52.60\00:55:55.67
was as smart as she was.
If she said, look at this
00:55:55.68\00:55:58.76
is what I believe and
this is why I believe it
00:55:58.77\00:56:00.64
you know, at that time
and so I, I actually had
00:56:01.50\00:56:03.88
to pay attention. Yes,
almost like, it was like
00:56:03.89\00:56:05.82
yeah, I respected
the fact I knew she was
00:56:05.83\00:56:08.59
smart and that it
wasn't something she would
00:56:08.60\00:56:10.65
just do arbitrarily,
right. You know, it's, I'm not
00:56:10.66\00:56:13.64
just listening to someone else.
00:56:13.65\00:56:15.02
No, no, no, no and,
and actually as, as time
00:56:15.03\00:56:17.82
developed and you
know, God was starting
00:56:17.83\00:56:19.81
to soften my heart at
least a little bit you
00:56:19.82\00:56:21.50
know, I was like
realized that she,
00:56:21.51\00:56:22.82
and she says, hey
God's telling me something
00:56:23.20\00:56:24.87
that I actually I
had to pay attention.
00:56:24.88\00:56:26.25
Example, example, you know what
00:56:26.50\00:56:28.18
scared him so much ?
No, is except for, I said
00:56:28.45\00:56:31.29
God, Brad, God said
to me I believe that one
00:56:31.30\00:56:35.53
day you're gonna step
into leadership of this
00:56:35.54\00:56:38.42
ministry and Brad
just looked at me and say,
00:56:38.43\00:56:40.27
hon, I love you, but
I'm not gonna do it and
00:56:40.28\00:56:42.47
I said, I'm just
telling you what God says.
00:56:42.48\00:56:43.98
Wow! Well, we're
gonna do, I can't
00:56:45.14\00:56:46.63
believe this an hour like
this it's just about gone,
00:56:46.64\00:56:50.06
but we do have the
Free Offer tonight, C.A.
00:56:50.07\00:56:52.59
said you don't
have to pay for this,
00:56:52.60\00:56:53.81
it's free, right?
It's free. And this is
00:56:53.82\00:56:55.95
where all his
miracles by Cheri Peters it's a
00:56:56.15\00:56:59.69
DVD, so you can call
us 618-627-4651 or you
00:56:59.70\00:57:05.73
can email us, I think
it's Free Offer, isn't it?
00:57:05.74\00:57:08.50
Freeofferat3abn.org, 3ABN okay.
00:57:08.51\00:57:10.41
And so, we want you
to be sure and get that,
00:57:10.79\00:57:13.05
so you want to call
in. Also the second hour
00:57:13.06\00:57:15.47
hopefully we'll
have a chance for some
00:57:15.48\00:57:17.37
questions, so we
just kind of do the first
00:57:17.38\00:57:19.91
come, first serve, so
if you want to go ahead
00:57:19.92\00:57:21.82
and you have some
particular questions that
00:57:21.83\00:57:24.09
you have for Cheri
and for Brad and you want
00:57:24.10\00:57:26.88
to start asking those,
we'll kind of line them
00:57:26.89\00:57:28.85
up and if we get to
that point, we've got some
00:57:28.86\00:57:31.00
more story to go through, yeah.
00:57:31.01\00:57:32.68
But I think we'll
have time for some of your
00:57:32.97\00:57:34.44
questions and we
also will have time
00:57:34.45\00:57:36.42
to pray with you.
So, right now we're
00:57:36.43\00:57:38.04
gonna have to take a short break
00:57:38.05\00:57:39.27
and we'll be
back in just a moment.
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