Participants: C.A. Murray (Host), Hans Diehl (Host), Nancy Gable, Wendy Gable
Series Code: TLA
Program Code: TLA011504
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01:00 Hello and welcome to 3ABN Today Live.
01:03 My name is C.A. Murray and allow me once again 01:05 to thank you for sharing this part of 01:07 your day with us. This is our two hour 01:11 sitting together, and this is a time 01:13 when we can relax and go into study in depth a 01:16 little bit more and we really want you to 01:19 give ear this night because of the subject 01:21 matter because of my very special guest. 01:24 This is gonna be a good time of sharing. 01:27 As you can see sitting next to me is 01:28 Dr. Hans Diehl and whenever the good 01:31 doctor comes you know he is gonna talk about 01:33 one thing and one thing only. 01:36 This maybe the most focused guy that we 01:40 have here at 3ABN because he is a CHIPster, 01:44 a CHIP Meister, a CHIP Maven, 01:46 and when he comes he is talking about the 01:48 Coronary Health Improvement Project, 01:50 because it is his life's goal to make you 01:53 healthy to live longer and to live better. 01:56 I dare say when you have gone through tonight's 01:59 program you understand his burden and that will 02:02 be part of your life. The material we're 02:04 gonna give you tonight we'll make you one, 02:06 thinner will make you happier, 02:11 will make you healthier, and I dare say will make 02:14 you even look better. So if you look into 02:17 mirror you do not like what you see, 02:18 listen to what we've to say tonight, 02:20 because you're gonna be happier, 02:21 you're gonna be thinner, you're gonna 02:22 be healthier. Life is gonna be 02:24 a little bit better. You're gonna have 02:25 more energy and you're gonna look better, 02:27 dare I say after tonight's program. 02:29 We've got some great guests, 02:30 Nancy and Wendy Gable, mother and daughter; 02:36 right, good looking young ladies and each 02:40 of them have a very, very, just fantastic story. 02:44 We just been sitting around talking a little 02:45 bit and you will get to know of them 02:47 better in just a little bit but they have a 02:49 really great story. Now I need 02:50 to do something. Hans because the last time 02:52 you were here, a lady called me 02:55 from Arkansas, just outside the 02:57 Little Rock and she was quite irate, 03:00 because she said you didn't give me enough 03:03 time to get my pencil and paper ready, 03:06 and she said once Hans Diehl starts talking 03:11 that's yes just for two hours he never 03:12 stops talking. So she was really, 03:14 really upset because she said you got to give 03:16 people time to get their pencils and papers 03:18 because they don't always know that you 03:20 are coming until they see you. 03:22 So we're gonna take 10 seconds, 03:24 Mary from just outside little rock for you to 03:27 get your pencil and your paper and your note book 03:30 and anybody else who's got pencil or a paper 03:33 they need to get or you need to boot your 03:34 computer or your iPad or your iPhone or 03:36 your iPod or I, anything 10 seconds 03:40 get your materials because once we start 03:42 we're gonna be rolling and you know how fast 03:44 this guy moves so I'm gonna give you 03:45 10 seconds starting now. 03:51 Redeemed, how I love to proclaim it! 03:54 Redeemed by the blood of the Lamb; 03:56 Redeemed through His infinite mercy, 04:00 His child, and forever, I am. 04:03 Redeemed, redeemed, 04:06 Redeemed by the blood of the Lamb; 04:08 Okay time is up. Hopefully you've got 04:10 everything you need because once we get 04:12 started we're gonna be running and you 04:14 want to get this information down, 04:16 because CHIP has proven to be a true blessing 04:20 Dr. Diehl to everybody and anybody who has 04:23 entered into it. It has been a very 04:26 special privilege to be part of this movement 04:29 to empower people to make some lifestyle 04:33 changes to establish better health habits and 04:36 the process have better lives, 04:39 healthier lives, less depression, 04:42 less heart disease, less high blood pressure, 04:45 less medication, just a new freedom. 04:47 Yeah, yeah, you can't, you know less is more, 04:51 yes right, isn't it, it more light. 04:53 So, we're gonna be talking about CHIP 04:55 this very night and you will be encouraged 04:59 I dare say when you hear this testimonies 05:01 and hear what the good doctor has to say. 05:02 Now we have a little surprise to you because 05:04 I didn't tell you that your wife is gonna 05:07 bring special music, oh, you did 05:08 not ask for this. No I think, 05:09 and this is like Solomon when the Lord said I 05:11 will give you what you did not ask for. 05:15 Well that's a treat; that is a treat. 05:18 But our music this night comes from Hans's lovely 05:21 wife Lily Pan Diehl and just an excellent pianist, 05:25 and she is going to be playing 05:27 "Oh God Our Help In Ages Past". 08:41 And praise the Lord well done. 08:42 Your wife is a very accomplished pianist. 08:46 I am a lucky man. Indeed I think got 08:47 to keep her. We want to talk 08:53 to you about our free offer for the evening, 08:56 which is the Clinton Health Crisis. 08:59 It is a magazine that we will send to you and 09:05 good doctor tell us just a little bit about this 09:07 magazine and what it talks about? 09:10 You know president Clinton had heart disease, 09:15 he had surgery and after several years 09:20 as happens often, there is more surgery 09:23 needed and so he had two stents being placed 09:27 and his physicians mentioned to him 09:31 there is not much you can do about it. 09:33 Heart disease is a progressive disease 09:35 once you've heart disease it just continues, 09:38 the narrowing continues, there is not much you 09:39 can do and he asked the question can I stop 09:42 this progressive disease, the nature 09:45 of the disease. They said no, 09:47 it's just the way it is, and so we then wrote a 09:49 special article here several of us are concern 09:53 about this because we know that if you 09:57 make some lifestyle changes you can actually 09:59 change the progression of disease. 10:01 You can stop it, you can actually 10:02 reverse it. And so the article, 10:05 the magazine says a teachable moment was 10:09 lost in that the president was not really made 10:11 aware of what he could do, but he started this 10:14 thing on himself and as you know or just last 10:17 year he announced that he had adapted a 10:21 whole food program partly because you wanted 10:25 to please his daughter at the wedding, 10:27 yes, so he lost some 25 pounds and at the same 10:31 time he said I learned that the evidence is very 10:34 clear out there that you can actually reverse 10:36 this disease process and I'm gonna to 10:38 do this for one year check it out. 10:40 So that was a very enlightening moment 10:42 for all of us. Yes indeed. 10:44 So should you want to get this magazine 10:46 and this is, this is a good thing 10:47 to have in your house something to read 10:51 you can email us at freeoffer@3abn.org 10:56 that's freeoffer@3abn.org or call us this very 11:01 night (618) 627-4651 use either of those 11:05 two means and we will get this in 11:06 the mail to you. The Clinton Health Crisis: 11:09 A Teachable Moment Lost, this will give you some 11:12 good information and perhaps you have 11:14 friends or know of individuals who could use 11:16 this information, you kind just phrase 11:18 for yourself and share it with them or put 11:19 this magazine into their hands after you 11:22 have read it, we will be glad to 11:23 get this to you, just contact us 11:25 (618) 627-4651 freeoffer@3abn. Org, 11:29 and we will put this in your hands. 11:30 Good doctor we need to launch out we've got 11:32 two very lovely ladies here, 11:34 mother and daughter, who I am told are fairly 11:39 recent Adventists, we'll talk about that 11:41 also but it was the health message that sort 11:44 of drove them to Adventism and 11:46 I'll put it in your capable hands for the 11:48 next few minutes. Oh, well Nancy tell us, 11:52 where do you live and how did you become 11:55 involved in the CHIP Health Concepts? 12:00 Okay, I live in Northern Western Illinois, 12:05 little town in the Mount Carroll and the 12:08 Adventist church in Savanna Illinois nearby 12:12 town gave a prophecy seminar and my husband 12:17 and I decided to attend the prophecy seminar we 12:19 were always interested in prophecy, 12:21 "The Book Of Revelations" 12:23 and that. So we attended 12:24 the prophecy seminar we were very impressed 12:27 with what we were learning, 12:29 studied follow, did a followup study 12:31 with Book of Revelations again very impressed 12:34 with what we were learning and then the 12:37 pastor said for our next study we can study one 12:42 of these topics and he named about four 12:45 different topics one of which was health. 12:48 I was very obese and interested in losing 12:51 the weight and I wanted to find a way to lose 12:54 the weight that would keep it off for the 12:57 rest of my life. I knew it needed 12:59 to be a lifestyle change, but I didn't really 13:02 understand or know what I, you know I heard 13:06 the terms but I didn't understand or really 13:08 know what a lifestyle change was. 13:10 Now you've to forgive me because the 13:11 reporter in me is coming out. Okay! 13:13 A couple of things, were you church 13:15 going person before? Not really, 13:19 I have been raised in a Christian home, 13:22 but as an adult it created problems in my 13:27 marriage and I had decided not to attend 13:31 church any longer. I still was very 13:35 interested in religion but I just I didn't find 13:40 a church out there that I could agree with 13:42 everything that was being taught. 13:44 So you've done some casual sort of research, 13:45 yes, yeah, yeah. And my husband 13:47 was a same way. He had not been 13:49 raised with any particular religion. 13:51 He had a strong belief in the Lord, 13:54 but again he didn't really understand or hadn't 13:59 found a church that he felt he could agree 14:03 with everything. And so we raised 14:06 our children without church as well, 14:09 but we had a strong believe in the Lord and 14:14 that he was working in our lives. 14:17 So I think we considered ourselves Christian, 14:21 but we just didn't follow any particular, 14:24 comer a nominal moral life but not 14:25 the religious. Right, right, yeah, 14:27 exactly, yeah, and didn't attend church. 14:30 So then what about Revelation attracted you, 14:32 giving that background? We felt that we, 14:36 my husband and I, had always felt that 14:39 we were being called to something that there was 14:43 going to be a world crisis at some point and 14:46 that in someway he and I were going to 14:48 be involved with it. We didn't know 14:51 what or how, but that was 14:54 something that brought us together in 14:56 our courtship, was this common 15:01 belief that we had, yeah, and we felt that God 15:04 brought us together and that's how our 15:07 marriage came about, yeah and I went on 15:10 that good doctor because I know there are lot of 15:12 people who tend of fall in the category of 15:15 something is happening something is going 15:16 on I don't know what, but I know it's gonna 15:19 effect me I just you know I don't have a 15:21 knowledge based I can feel that something 15:23 is happening, yes, so I better kind of look 15:25 and see what, what's going on 15:26 so I know when it hits me or before it hits me, 15:29 right, kind of prepare for, 15:30 and that's why we were interested in prophecy, 15:32 sure, and The Book of Revelations 15:34 because we knew that lined up with that, 15:37 that whole sense that we had, 15:40 yeah, now I gonna ask you, 15:42 you went through a prophecy seminar 15:44 Revelation did you buy it right away, 15:47 where you skeptical, I believe that everything 15:50 we were being taught was truth from the Bible, 15:53 what I wasn't sure of was whether it was the 15:57 whole truth whether there were things that maybe 16:00 we won't being told that we didn't word aware 16:03 of that the Bible said that the church was not 16:06 teaching us or showing us, and although we had 16:10 done a lot of Bible reading on our own 16:12 we didn't knew, we didn't understand 16:14 everything, sure. So there was still 16:16 there was this little nagging doubt in the 16:19 back of my head that, are they just leading us 16:23 down the path they want us to follow or are they 16:27 is there no alternative or motive here you know 16:30 that everything is just what they are showing us 16:34 and it's up to us to decide whether to 16:36 accept or not, I see. 16:38 So when we started the health study we started, 16:41 we studied health just health principles from the 16:45 Bible as well as the CHIP Lifestyle Principles, 16:49 and everything that was being studied was so 16:53 backed up with scientific evidence to prove 16:57 the correctness and truthfulness of it 16:59 plus we had the Bible verses that also backed 17:03 up everything that we were being taught. 17:05 Now was this a full CHIP program? 17:07 No this was not a full CHIP program this 17:09 is what who is now kind of term a MicroCHIP, 17:12 it's, it's a short reversion. 17:17 So you were introduced to the CHIP principles 17:21 by your pastor, right, 17:24 who was interested in the CHIP concepts, 17:26 correct, and of course 17:27 CHIP stands for Coronary Health 17:29 Improvement Project, it's nothing to do 17:30 with corn CHIPs or potato CHIPs, right, 17:32 chocolate CHIPs right. So your pastor was 17:35 interested in these principles of health as 17:38 apparently he found in the CHIP program, right, 17:41 and this happens often there are many pastors 17:43 and Baptist pastors, the Adventist pastors, 17:45 there are different people co-operations that 17:47 are looking for better health and they find 17:49 the CHIP program on the website and 17:51 so and so forth. So your pastor, right, 17:53 was interested in this principles and he 17:55 began to teach them into, yes, Bible studies, 18:00 we watched a some short videos about a half hour 18:04 a week plus we did lessons out of the 18:08 health power book which Dr. Diehl authored 18:11 that clinical authored, good Diehl, 18:14 so we've studied. Yeah I am learning 18:17 a lot base here. And, again though 18:22 everything was backed up with 18:23 scientific evidence, I had majored in biology 18:27 in college so I understood, you know the science 18:30 behind it and totally agreed with what that was. 18:34 So this stuff was making sense, 18:35 exactly yeah, and I started 18:38 applying the principles in my life. 18:40 I could see this was good, this was truth this 18:44 was sensible, and it fit all 18:49 the criteria I had for the lifestyle change I 18:52 wanted the criteria was when, 18:55 when I was looking for something okay I 18:58 was very overweight. I was obese and I knew 19:04 I needed to be a lifestyle change that 19:06 I could do the rest of my life. 19:08 I had tried some diets I had tried some different 19:11 things over the years to lose the weight. 19:14 I had lost some but then I always gain it 19:16 back and always more would come on after that. 19:20 So I knew it had to be something I could do 19:23 forever I couldn't go on something and then 19:26 go off because when I go off I can't go back 19:28 on and you know I don't stay what that loss. 19:35 You didn't want to do Yo, yo, right? 19:36 Exactly, exactly, you need to do 19:37 once and for all, and for a 19:40 permanent situation, right, but you also see 19:42 how clear this she was the finding what she 19:46 wanted to accomplish right, yeah, 19:47 not only in her religious quest, 19:49 but also now in her quest for weight loss program 19:53 right and so what did you find? 19:56 So some other criteria had in there besides 19:59 just I want to do it for permanent, 20:02 I didn't want to count calories, okay, 20:04 I didn't want to weigh and measure my food, 20:07 I didn't want to count carbohydrates. 20:10 You didn't want to little scales and put a 20:11 little in this kind of thing, 20:12 exactly, yeah, yeah, and I wanted to be able 20:15 to buy my food at regular grocery stores, amen, 20:20 so no specialized food; no specialized foods. 20:23 Okay, and everything we were being shown and 20:27 taught in these CHIP that's lifestyle 20:31 study and what we were learning from the 20:33 Bible all came together and met every one 20:37 of those criteria, and it was good 20:40 healthy full rich food. But some of the 20:46 church people would prefer some foods samples 20:48 and bring those for us to try out. 20:50 We were getting being given recipes from 20:53 a lot of different sources, 20:54 easy recipes, easy to prepare 20:57 things that I could do easily at home I was not 20:59 chef or you know any kind of great cook, right, 21:03 and in fact she could verify, 21:05 she definitely did not cook we were going out, 21:09 to say this is my dad all the way and you know 21:12 my dad and my siblings and I who did the cooking 21:14 and she was, she would do 21:17 anything but be in the kitchen. 21:20 I want to establish something here 21:21 then good doctor that the CHIP lifestyle is 21:25 not an austere sort of monastery 21:29 monastic existence. Oh, no, no it's fun. 21:32 I get one carrot you know and when I get 21:34 one single broccoli you know. 21:37 No no no, it's just the opposite, 21:40 praise the lord, we have a variety 21:42 of food, yeah, and the more color the 21:44 better it is and we help people to move into the 21:47 direction at their speed. 21:49 Yeah, some people already to go further 21:52 than the others, but we are right there 21:53 and we help them to understand something 21:55 about caloric density, did that make sense 21:57 to you the caloric density concept, 21:58 yes it does yes, because you have 22:00 a pretty heavy then aren't you? 22:01 I was 80 pounds over my wedding date weight, 22:05 really, yeah, is there a picture 22:07 that we have on that one, I believe we do, 22:10 can we look at that picture? 22:12 That was the before right, you know, 22:15 and that was actually after I had lost five 22:17 pounds trying something else. 22:20 This is, this is how my 22:22 mom weighed my whole life. This was the only way 22:25 that I've saw her, yeah, by whole childhood was 22:29 as a very large women and that's how pretty 22:31 much everyone in my family was. 22:33 So you've had a hard time kind of, 22:35 yeah I remember when I used to hug her, I would, 22:38 my arms were very open and I couldn't 22:42 really hug her, you were substantive 22:44 wasn't that, right, yeah. 22:45 So then you come to CHIP and you know something 22:48 about caloric density right, right, 22:51 was that eye opener? Yeah, because these foods 22:54 are all just loaded with vitamins and minerals 22:58 and there is the new term vital chemicals and 23:01 you know these kinds of things a lot of 23:04 different nutrients in these. 23:08 We think of it orange as having vitamin C 23:12 which it does, but it has a whole 23:14 lot of other nutrients that we generally 23:17 don't even talk about, but there are very 23:20 good for our bodies and the green leafy 23:24 vegetables and you know legumes and whole grains 23:29 all of these things have great nutrients for us. 23:33 Let me just kick in here, you know it is really 23:36 no surprise that Americans are struggling 23:38 with enlarging bodies, there is no surprise, 23:42 when you realize that over 50 percent of 23:46 our calories that we eat here in America are 23:48 coming from processed refined engineered foods 23:52 that come in crinkle bags, yeah, 23:55 that come in sterile form cut and just push 23:58 them into the microwave oven, yeah, 23:59 these are refined foods okay, 24:01 50 percent of all the calories come from this 24:03 source then you have another 40 calories plus 24:07 and these calories comes from animal 24:08 products like cheeses, dairy, meet, sausages 24:13 and so on and they are all very rich in calories 24:16 and only about 10 percent or less of the 24:19 calories that we eat comes from fresh fruits, 24:21 yes, vegetables, legumes, you know the beans 24:24 and whole grains. And, when you began to move 24:28 in the direction of eating these more refined 24:32 foods and animal products you always 24:34 concentrate calories, for instance, 24:39 now this looks very innocent 24:40 doesn't it this one, this little 24:41 nutrient scrods, yeah, I mean how long you 24:44 will take you to eat those, 24:46 about 10 seconds. You inhaled that right, 24:49 yeah and you eat only one. A box, yeah, 24:54 now you see right here you have 50 calories 24:58 and it takes you no time and it's gone, 25:01 just a very small volume but 50 calories which 25:04 is very not too bad when you think about it, 25:06 but if you would have real food I mean this is, 25:10 this is ought to, food that is 25:12 not to processed. This has been comes 25:14 in nature here you have also 50 calories and 25:17 this is 50 calories now you said you can just 25:19 inhale those in 10 seconds how about this? 25:22 Come on, that take it seconds 25:23 it's take longer, but you know 25:27 how to look is this, this is 50 calories 25:31 and this is 50 calories, and this 50 calories. 25:34 This is processed, yeah this is coming 25:36 out of the hand of the master designer, 25:39 and usually you said Diehl, 25:40 you get a glass of milks and now you got milk 25:41 and sugar combination, yes you know and 25:43 extra calories and fat and you're gonna 25:46 to eat six, ten maybe a box, 25:51 you never eat or succeed this, 25:53 and you know these are sometimes profound 25:56 a hard moments for people. You know like Nancy 26:00 she said you mean I can eat this much food. 26:03 I mean that can eat more and now then less, yeah, 26:05 exactly and then take a look at this one here. 26:09 Now you know this is about 1200 calories, 26:13 wow, this is come out from crinkly bag, yeah, 26:16 this is a processed food engineers for 26:19 taste high in salt, high in fat, 26:23 I mean this is what people eat right, 26:27 yeah and you can said on eat that many 26:29 in a sitting. Well I ask I 26:32 ask medical students how long does it take 26:33 you to eat this, these 1200 calories, 26:36 they said 13 minutes I said are you full, 26:39 no not then I said, how many calories 26:41 you having here? And they said we don't 26:44 know we don't take nutrition in medical 26:46 school they said, we don't take 26:50 nutrition in medical school. 26:51 I said, I said 26:52 this is 1200 calories this is 1200 calories, wow, 26:55 this is 11 medium size potatoes each 26:58 one is about a 110 calories I said 27:00 how long you will take to eat those, 27:02 this is at 13 minutes, 13 days. 27:07 So the principle here is you have more volume 27:12 you feel for, you have more fiber 27:15 you have more nutrition value and these foods 27:18 also cheaper than this there and I think 27:20 once you discover that and you know you can add 27:22 animal products because if really high fat or 27:26 usually very calorically dense small volume large 27:30 number of calories I think that probably helps 27:32 you to learn that you can eat more and 27:36 weight less right. That's correct, 27:38 what I was finding was that I really enjoying 27:41 these foods and I enjoyed cooking, 27:43 I mean you found me in the kitchen a 27:45 lot more chapping up chapping up the 27:48 foods and fixing things, and else you need what 27:51 you were doing, it was very easy to 27:53 fix these foods and a lot of times they could 27:56 be very simply prepared. I didn't have to 27:59 have special sauces or creams or anything like 28:02 that on them and they were nutritious 28:05 and delicious. I started having 28:08 a greater variety in the foods I ate and 28:11 my grocery bill went down, yeah. 28:13 I've gonna say what was the biggest change 28:16 as far as diet, what was the most 28:18 radical switch over from the pre-CHIP, 28:22 micro CHIP to the post micro CHIP? 28:25 Getting away from the processed foods that, 28:28 so you were eating processed foods, 28:29 eat absolutely and we have things out of bags 28:32 and boxes and you know and pull it out 28:35 the freezer you poppet in the microwave and 28:37 there is you got to meet, 28:38 for you big desert person, not a lot of deserts 28:41 I did do a lot of snacks and unhealthy snacks 28:44 the potato CHIPs, corn CHIPs candy, 28:48 candy is weighting diet. She was a, 28:51 she was addict, she was she was, 28:56 she eats pizza with extra cheese of 28:58 extra cheese on top, and you were shocked that 29:02 you learned that she is about 70 percent 29:05 fat is it, yeah, yeah I really was. 29:07 70 percent of calories, right, 29:09 and you also began to learn that the 29:10 larger the snacks, the larger the flags yeah, 29:14 and I knew that too, that's the way it 29:19 worked with me. Are you eat meat eater 29:20 in your family? We were encouraged 29:21 to eat a lot of meat we had meat at least 29:25 twice a day of not three times we would 29:28 usually didn't have it for breakfast but you know 29:30 I know a lot of people do we just didn't 29:32 happen to, yeah, fresh from the farm, 29:35 yeah some of the meat are fresh from the farm, 29:39 yeah, I think they are getting fresh and getting 29:41 meat fresh in the farm, right, 29:43 right you know my brother in law farmed and so we 29:46 got meat from his from his farm, 29:48 he is my dad's family were beef farmers, 29:51 oh, okay, and my mom's very much grew 29:53 up with dairy farmers. So meat and dairy 29:56 was considered staple and the beef farm 29:59 we actually lived on a piece of the land 30:01 from the beef farms so they were. 30:02 Now I want to ask you because we touched 30:04 now in just a moment ago most medical 30:07 students don't get a lot of nutrition in 30:08 these studies. No, not really, aha, yeah. 30:12 Right, we are working on this 30:14 we are working on this, 30:15 it's coming all too slowly. 30:17 You know I mean if you have three or 30:21 four lecturers in four years, yeah, 30:23 so we need to really, really do something 30:25 about this we need to beefed up, indeed, 30:31 so you began to get some of these 30:34 principles under your belt it's literally, yes, 30:37 and then what happened. 30:38 I started this ways and making these changes 30:41 and the way started coming off and just 30:44 started melting away and I didn't feel 30:47 and that was another thing I could eat 30:49 plenty of food. I didn't have 30:51 to starve myself that way that measure 30:53 your food you have to have limited sizes, 30:55 limited proportions I didn't have to do that 30:58 with this I didn't have to worry about how 30:59 much I ate just eat until I was satisfied, 31:02 wow. And, so that was a big thing too and 31:06 what I found was over about two or maybe 31:10 three months my desire and my sense of needing 31:15 snacks just melted away as well, 31:18 it wasn't that I had to stop eating snacks 31:22 I continued eating snacks for a while, 31:25 but after while I was eating such a healthy 31:28 nutritious breakfast full of high fiber 31:31 that would last me until lunch and 31:34 next thing I knew my breakfast 7.00 or 7.30 31:38 in the morning and I used to have a bag of 31:40 snacks or something you know at 31:42 10.30, 10.00 or 10.30, yeah, suddenly I found 31:46 myself 11 0'clock, 11:30, or even noon and 31:50 I was only just now starting to feel hungry 31:52 and had notice I no notice of a need 31:56 for a snack during the morning. 31:58 I'm gonna to ask you did you husband 31:59 join you this or did you kind of step out 32:00 and did yourself. He was in the study; 32:04 he agreed with everything that we were 32:06 learning, he was very obese and he 32:09 needed to make changes as well. 32:11 But he agreed with everything but he 32:15 didn't apply those things in his life. 32:18 So he continued to eat the same way 32:22 as we had been eating, 32:23 his weight continued to climb. 32:25 And why did you think about your 32:28 shrinking ways line. 32:29 Oh he was fine with that. 32:36 I teased him that he is a polygamist okay. 32:41 A polygamist? He is a polygamist, he had, 32:43 he had a young skinny wife he had a 32:47 middle age fat wife and now he has 32:50 on older skinny wife. So he is now, 32:54 so he has had three women. 32:59 So your weight was coming down then right? 33:01 Yes my weight was coming down. 33:02 Was it coming down fast or gradual, 33:05 what happened after one year? 33:06 It was coming down gradually and that was 33:09 something we were learn to that just better 33:10 to lose weight gradually, 33:12 don't not a big weight loss all at once, 33:15 just bring it down slow. 33:17 They say two to four but, 33:19 two to four pounds two to six pounds a month 33:23 is about right. Was that was, 33:25 was happening for you to about that, 33:26 that's how what would happen for me 33:27 at the end of a year I had lost 49 pounds, 33:31 wow, and so it was right there at 4 pounds 33:34 a month was, was what my weight 33:37 lose was in that first year and we have 33:39 another picture that shows where 33:42 I was added at that point and so 33:46 I don't know if they couldn't clip that 33:47 in or not but yeah that was the, 33:50 oh you can see to that, 33:51 that's was one year later after one year 33:53 that's what I look like. So that, 33:56 and then at that point it seem like 34:00 I stabilized you know there a lot of times 34:02 weight lost they talked about you have 34:04 this plateau that's what happened with me, 34:06 I plateau did that level. 34:08 And I was satisfied there 34:10 I am really enjoyed that 34:12 I was add had reached that level again, 34:15 that was about 30 pounds overweight 34:18 at that point and I still wanted 34:21 to lose in additional 30 pounds, 34:23 but I continue doing what I was doing 34:27 but it just wasn't coming off anymore. 34:29 Now I want to ask you did you have any 34:31 attended health issues other than 34:33 just a weight or you have any? 34:34 I really didn't accept one I had had a 34:37 doctor tell me at one point that my 34:40 cholesterol was moderately high, 34:42 border line high and that way was at 220 34:45 at that point and he said 34:48 I should watch my diet, 34:50 he didn't tell me anything about 34:51 what did they what do you mean 34:52 watch my diet, I didn't know 34:55 what that mean I didn't know 34:57 what I should watch, so I continue 35:00 to eat as I always had because 35:02 I didn't know how to what to do differently. 35:04 So I imagined my cholesterol was 35:07 probably still at that level but 35:08 I really didn't know, yeah, yeah. 35:10 I want to say you know she may don't 35:13 have medical, official medical issues 35:16 but she was always complaining about 35:18 not being able to get up and about 35:20 low energy and you know as kids 35:22 we would want to go do stuff and 35:24 she never really wanted to go with us 35:26 because it was just there was so much 35:28 weight holding her down all the time and 35:30 her energy kept her from going and really 35:33 having fun, and aches and pains, yes. 35:36 I had a lot of aches and pains. 35:38 I would sit in a chair and when I sat down 35:41 I didn't want to get up because I was stiff, 35:44 you know I just feel muscle joints would be 35:50 stiff and achy so if I was up by stay up into 35:54 what I needed to and that 35:55 I would sit down and stays up. 35:59 But so as you were losing weight so you 36:01 lose about 40 pounds in on year roughly, 36:03 weight, right, right almost 50 pounds. 36:05 So, and your husband is rejoice seeing in a 36:08 sliming down weight lay in the of his 36:10 wife right, right, did you inspire him 36:13 did that his inspire him or what 36:14 happened to him? Well I didn't 36:15 that for didn't that seem to it first 36:17 he did like I said he kept talking about it 36:20 and he would talked to his brothers or 36:22 other people that he knew especially those 36:25 who were overweight and he make joking 36:27 comments you know, hey we need to be 36:30 eating this or you know doing that instead and, 36:33 but then he and continue eating the 36:35 way he always had. 36:36 my dad is skeptic, a big skeptic, 36:39 he doesn't want to do anything 36:40 until it's proven to him, I see. 36:42 So he thinks that until the proof is on 36:46 the putting, so until the proof is 36:47 there he doesn't want to make any changes. 36:49 So, so almost four year went by, 36:52 another full year okay so one year had gone 36:55 by at lost about 50 pounds. 36:57 Now we were into the second year 36:59 and my weight was staying steady and 37:02 a little bit beyond that he decided he 37:05 wanted to make the change as well. 37:07 And so, so you inspired him, 37:09 I think you talked him or you just 37:12 observe your get them energy. 37:14 He observed and he talked with somebody 37:18 who knew a lot about nutrition and was kind 37:22 of talking to him about making these changes 37:25 because he not only was obese he also had 37:28 Type II Diabetes, high blood pressure, and 37:32 high cholesterol and he was on medications 37:35 for all three and had been on those 37:37 for six years. Six years yeah! 37:39 And this person that he was talking 37:41 with told him to make these changes 37:47 lose that weight and he might be 37:49 able to get off of these medications. 37:50 Was he proud of you? Did he encourage you? 37:54 Oh, yes. He was cheer leading for you. 37:56 Yes he was very encouraging. Yes. 37:58 Yeah. He never pooh poohed anything I did, 38:02 you know, he never dissuaded me from doing 38:05 and he was very supportive that way. 38:07 The question I want to ask you then 38:08 is your friends and those around you knew 38:10 what they thinking about the new you, 38:12 because obviously they had to. 38:13 Well they were amazed that they were people 38:15 that I had been involved with him 38:18 business meetings and such and I was rather 38:21 active in my community at that time and they 38:25 I started kind of backing out of some of 38:27 those things and so some of those people 38:30 didn't see me for several months and 38:32 when they saw me again they did a double take, 38:36 you know like Nancy wow you've really changed, 38:40 and they were amazed yeah. 38:42 And of course I imagined some of them 38:45 felt like you know okay she has lost 38:47 the weight, but it will probably 38:48 come back on, yeah, because lot of times 38:51 you see that with people who lose weight, 38:53 but overtime the weight didn't come back on 38:56 and then in fact during this time period 38:58 where I plateaued I have way expected it 39:01 to start coming back on again but I kept doing 39:04 what I've been taught what we you know 39:06 what I was learning or what I learned and 39:09 it did not come back on it stayed off 39:11 and for over a year, it's stayed off 39:15 and I mean it never did come back. 39:18 I want to ask you a question, good doctor 39:21 is this plateauing is that a normal phase 39:23 that you go through, your body kind 39:25 of stabilize for. It happens. 39:26 It has quite often. The body tries to 39:29 hang on to certain level and it might 39:34 actually loose fat but it holds onto water to 39:37 maintain that special weight happens 39:40 all to often, but then if you 39:42 follow through on the program and you eating 39:44 fewer calories then you burn, 39:47 then ultimately the body has to let go and 39:50 I think that's probably what happened to you 39:51 right, you were there for a year on 39:54 the plateau and then what happened? Right, 39:56 well then one my husband made the 39:57 decision make changes to his lifestyle 40:00 because I was already doing everything. 40:03 I told him that I would support him 40:05 and making those changes make sure 40:07 he had all the right foods and was, 40:09 you know we cooked things properly 40:11 that sort of thing and I recommitted 40:14 myself to kind of tightening up on 40:17 what I did, we would cut 40:18 back on the fats a little more, 40:20 do more exercise make a few adjustments 40:24 to what I was doing. So I started applying 40:26 that to my lifestyle along with helping him 40:30 with his and both of us exercise daily 40:35 at that point then we both committed to 40:37 daily exercise and so we walked together 40:40 everyday we take a walk together. 40:42 It is such an important concepts health 40:45 is a family affairs, yes yes, yes, right, yeah, 40:48 I mean you are now moving in the same 40:51 direction together, right, and your 40:53 husband's weight came down and 40:54 you told me right, right, what happened. 40:55 He began to lose some weight within three 40:59 weeks his doctor was able to cut his 41:02 diabetes medication in half, wow, 41:05 because his blood sugars were going low 41:07 at this point and that was just three weeks 41:10 and then by eight weeks he was 41:13 off of the medications, all three medications, 41:16 wow, completely off of his diabetes medicine 41:19 and off of the heart and the blood pressure 41:22 and cholesterol medications as well. 41:24 Can you imagine? Here you have a man 41:27 that was a skeptic right, and now he is 41:29 beginning to follow in the tracks his wife. 41:32 They began to walk together. 41:34 They are going to eat together at the 41:36 same foods and they are both losing weight. 41:38 She has already moved a head of him right. 41:41 Now he has beginning to lose weight. 41:42 He lost some I think you mentioned 41:43 to me some 60; he lost 25 pounds in 41:46 the eight weeks, yes, wow, and then after 41:49 a year he had lost little over 60 pounds. 41:52 Bless, it's hard. So can you imagine? 41:53 Here this man, who loses 60 some pounds 41:55 and you perhaps have lost more now, 41:57 I now lost some additional weight 41:59 I came down just about to where 42:02 I wanted to be I lost another 28 pounds, 42:06 and I don't know if you want to put 42:09 the clip in now, these two people 42:11 then lost how many pounds of both. 42:13 We lost total of 138 pounds both 42:16 and between the two of us. 42:18 Can you imagine? They lost about 138. 42:19 There is losing one person in family. 42:21 And what was interesting, 42:24 and one person just disappeared, 42:25 that is exactly the weight I was, wow, 42:29 what I lose the 77 pounds and 42:32 he lost his weight it was 138 pounds 42:36 and that was my weight at that point, wow, 42:38 was a 138 pounds. We lost me, 42:41 we lost me between the two of us. 42:43 I think you have a special picture 42:46 don't you, yes we do, 42:47 what it really took, take a look at this, 42:49 yeah what happened here, 42:50 this was one our 35th wedding anniversary 42:53 I fit back into my wedding dress again, 42:56 praise the Lord. You know she used to 43:00 when we were kids she had her 43:02 wedding dress hanging out, yes, 43:04 and she used to look at that dress and 43:06 say some day I'm gonna fit back into that 43:08 and I used to look at that dress and 43:10 say no way well my momma 43:12 never fit into that, but she did it 43:15 and it's amazing. And I had gain 43:18 30 pounds within two years of being married 43:21 and so basically right after I was married 43:25 I was got no longer fit into the dress, yeah, 43:28 and that I always that always bothered me 43:30 and I've heard of other women who would been 43:33 able to fit into their wedding dress at their 43:34 35th, 40th, or 50th anniversary and 43:39 I wondered how they did that and 43:42 I had lot of gained and all that weight 43:43 and I thought it's just not gonna happen 43:46 and you know I became very discouraged 43:49 because I felt like I would you know that, 43:53 what was in that big body was not me 43:56 that I knew I belonged skinny, 43:59 not skinny but slender, yeah, 44:02 and it just wasn't happening until 44:06 I found this way of doing. 44:07 Now I want to ask you because we talk 44:09 about exercise good doctor, 44:11 you do not show going to Jim 44:12 just beaten yourself of, you are not term 44:14 run in the middle of and that kind of thing, 44:16 we live in a gravel country gravel road 44:18 we just walk the road. 44:19 We would walk maybe at first 44:22 we would about 15 minutes away from 44:24 the house and then come back and 44:26 then we walk 15 minutes in the 44:27 other direction and come back. 44:29 So about a mile roughly! Yeah, 44:30 it's say about a mile and probably putting 44:33 on about two miles a day at that point 44:35 eventually we were able to increase that 44:38 to about three miles a day that we were doing, 44:42 moderate pace, and moderate pace whatever 44:44 was comfortable for us and just enjoyed 44:48 nature and, you were not beaten the stuff 44:50 of you can smell a roses and kind of, 44:52 exactly yeah, the point was to get up 44:54 and to move, yes, and I found at home 44:57 I started feeling antsy if I sat 45:01 around too long. I had to get up 45:02 and start moving. What a change right? 45:04 Yeah, yeah, once she used to sit down, 45:06 yeah, yeah, and when I we have a few steps 45:11 in our house and when I would 45:12 climb the steps when I had all that weight on 45:15 and get to the top and 45:16 I was you know just huffing and puffing. 45:19 Now I can go up and down 45:21 the steps day and night it 45:23 didn't bother a bit, good for you, 45:25 and it doesn't today I can climb those steps 45:28 and I am not huffing and puffing. 45:29 Isn't interesting? She is getting 45:30 older chronologically, yeah, 45:33 but she is getting younger biologically, 45:35 yes, she is getting younger and 45:36 she is getting older I mean this is, 45:38 and this must be a great joy for 45:40 you to see as a daughter right. It is, 45:42 it's you know I say every time I see her 45:45 she is younger than the last time I saw her and 45:48 I really believe that her everything about her is 45:51 just so much younger than she used to be 45:54 you know, my whole childhood 45:56 she was low in energy my dad would bring 46:00 her soda and, chocolate, and 46:05 junk food, because she didn't want to 46:09 get up and get it, then so she wouldn't 46:12 be working or something and he would come 46:15 and bring it to her and it just me to 46:18 probably worst but you know and that's how 46:20 she wasn't that was the majority of the 46:23 her that I knew and now you know once 46:27 we got when I went away for school 46:29 you know we where far apart, 46:31 and then the next time I saw she was 46:34 getting thinner and thinner and thinner 46:37 and now I you know I only get to see 46:38 her a couple of once or twice in a year 46:40 but every time I see her she is younger 46:42 than she was before. Wow! Yeah, 46:44 she has got such a bright smile. 46:45 I wanted to ask you this, because we 46:48 talked about the obvious 46:49 physical benefits. What about your 46:52 mental outlook on life? 46:54 What about the workings of your mind, 46:56 I mean your pep in your brain, 47:00 how your brain is working your outlook 47:01 on life your joyful living, 47:03 did that change? Oh my joy for living 47:05 went up a 100 percent. I mean it just, 47:08 life is fun now you know and 47:11 it's not work, it's not a job 47:13 I cab getting in and out of the car 47:16 before was a job, you know just 47:19 getting into car getting out of the car, 47:21 yeah, you know and you know how the 47:25 restrooms are with the little stalls 47:27 okay you felt crowded in there but not 47:31 anymore you sit in a chair I remember 47:33 sitting at a meeting where I sat in a chair 47:36 and my hips hit the sides of the chair and 47:40 after I lost the weight I happened to be 47:43 at a meeting where I sat that same chair 47:45 and now I had plenty of inches there and 47:48 you know it was just you know 47:50 I just felt good, and knowing that I can do 47:55 those things and one of the motivating 47:57 factors and really believe this is 47:59 something that's really important for 48:01 people to do when they want to make 48:02 lifestyle changes to have a 48:04 motivating factor, something what 48:07 ultimately drives their desire to 48:11 make that change. For me, 48:13 it was that I wanted to be there 48:15 for grandchildren I didn't have any 48:18 grandchildren yet but I know I probably 48:20 would some day and I didn't want 48:22 to just be there for them 48:23 I wanted to be able to involved myself in them, 48:28 okay I wanted to be able to get down 48:29 on the floor and play with them. 48:31 I wanted to be able to maybe jog 48:34 or run with them, things like that and 48:38 I had also had this mental picture 48:42 in my mind. I had seen a 48:43 lot of elderly people around me, 48:45 and like she mentioned a lot of family members 48:48 that were had weight problems and 48:50 health problems as older people and 48:53 I would look at them and realize 48:57 what their lives were like and those 48:59 who were overweight and on these 49:01 medications diabetes cholesterol blood 49:03 pressure medications they sat around 49:07 a lot and talked about their problems 49:10 and they appointment with the doctor here 49:12 and this upcoming surgery for whatever, 49:17 yeah, you know there and the high cost 49:20 of medications and then well this medication 49:24 is causing these side effects so now 49:26 I have to take this other medication, 49:28 and you know these things were 49:29 going on when I looked at elderly 49:32 people that were not overweight 49:34 who were basically normal weight 49:36 they were out enjoying life. 49:38 They were doing volunteer work 49:40 here there or somewhere else they 49:42 were traveling around the world or 49:44 to special places that enjoying, 49:46 enjoying life they weren't sitting around 49:49 complaining about all these other things and 49:52 I saw that and I was like I want 49:55 to be that older slender person, yeah, 49:57 I don't want to be that old fat person, yeah. 50:01 You see some people talked about it right, 50:04 yeah, and other do something about it, 50:06 and you from the very beginning had 50:08 a very enquiring mind you had some 50:12 principles in your mind that you 50:15 wanted to see to be utilized in a 50:17 sensible weight mentioned program, 50:19 you followed them you won and then 50:22 your husband became involved, your husband, 50:24 tell me a little bit more about this. 50:27 Now you said he was a diabetic he was on 50:29 medication, yes, and after four weeks 50:31 his medications was cut in half, right, 50:34 and is this all medications? No, he is, 50:37 he lost the weight and he is off of all 50:41 his medications and it's been four years 50:45 now and in fact after that first year 50:49 it was interesting, he was because 50:51 he was type II diabetic he was testing his 50:53 blood sugar everyday and his doctor had said 50:56 he could test just once every morning 50:58 fasting blood sugar in the morning, 51:00 so he prick his finger and got his blood test. 51:05 When he was off the medication 51:08 he continued to run his blood tests. 51:10 Now he is veterans so he was getting 51:12 his supplies through the VA medical system, 51:16 and he would send in for more blood 51:20 test strips, blood sugar test strips. 51:22 Well about a year later he was 51:25 getting low on starting to get 51:26 low on this test strips so he said 51:28 in this water for another batch 51:30 of test strips, and continue to 51:32 test and they, the test strips 51:35 weren't coming and weren't coming and 51:36 he was almost out of test strips. 51:38 So he called the medical place and 51:41 asked them where is the test strips 51:43 you know I'm almost out said, 51:45 well just a minute we'll look at your records. 51:48 So they went to look at his records and 51:50 came back on the phone and they said 51:52 we are sorry Mr. Gable we can't send you 51:54 test strips anymore you are no longer diabetic. 52:01 I mean it's an absolutely turnaround. 52:04 What a discovery, isn't it? Yeah. 52:06 What a discovery to make, no longer diabetic 52:09 and yet this is not all that what should 52:12 I say unusual you know we've seen some 52:15 50,000 people and 12 percent of 52:17 these diabetics, you know, 52:19 in our trip program and it follows pretty 52:21 much the science. Here is a book by 52:23 Dr. Neal Barnard one of our friends he 52:27 has written a book on reversing diabetes. 52:30 It's a scientifically proven program to 52:34 reverse diabetes and they basically use the 52:36 same course of us, daily exercise half 52:39 an hour 45 minutes is a diabetic, right, 52:41 and of course then to eat more potatoes 52:45 truly so most of the thing you cannot 52:47 eat potatoes no problem when you integrated 52:50 into a healthy dietary lifestyle with 52:53 the lot of fiber it works magically and 52:56 I think that's happening with your 52:57 husband right. That's right. 52:58 Has he been back on medication is he 53:00 getting his strips or what's happening? Well, 53:04 he kind of slacked off on the lifestyle for a 53:08 little while and he gained some weight back 53:10 and his numbers started going back up again 53:13 and at one point his doctor did put him 53:16 on the medications again only for about 53:20 three months or six months something like 53:22 that because when that happened he got 53:24 back on the lifestyle, changed, 53:26 got to exercising more eating more 53:29 healthfully again and the weight started 53:32 coming off and the numbers came back down 53:34 and he was able to get off the 53:36 medications again. And that's true 53:37 also for the blood pressure 53:38 if I've been right. Yes, 53:40 the blood pressure the cholesterol, 53:41 and the diabetes, all three of them. 53:42 No medications? He was off of all three 53:45 and during this short period of time 53:47 where he gained that weight back again 53:49 he got put back on all three, 53:51 but again by changing his lifestyle 53:54 back to the CHIP lifestyle, yeah, 53:56 he brought that all down again and 53:58 got off of them again. 53:59 See there is the answer for 54:00 Health Care Crisis in America right. 54:02 Seventy percent of our health issues 54:09 relate to lifestyle issues. 54:10 They relate to how we eat, 54:14 how we drink, how we exercise 54:16 to be smoked, and that's really the 54:18 challenge how do you really motivate people, 54:20 yeah, how do you inspire people to do it 54:23 and you know I guess you found some 54:25 of the answers in the micro CHIP program 54:27 and you then became involved in 54:29 the CHIP program, right you are 54:31 one of the leaders now and a talent in 54:33 CHIP program conducting right, yes. 54:35 We after a year or a after I lost that 54:38 first 50 pounds I was like I want to 54:40 know more about the full CHIP program, 54:43 what does it involved, what do you do, 54:46 and there was a training session coming 54:49 up for teaching CHIP leaders how to conduct 54:53 a CHIP program and so I ask the church 54:55 to help sponsor me to go to one of those 54:58 CHIP training programs and they helped back 55:02 me for running CHIP program at our church, 55:04 wow. And, they agree to do that, 55:07 now you said some I got to stop you because 55:08 we did really, we did really put a pin 55:10 into this because you are attending 55:12 Reverend Seminar you moved into 55:15 micro CHIP but during that time 55:17 something else's happening in your life 55:19 as far as your relationship with the 55:21 Adventist church as concern. 55:22 And you said my church, right, 55:26 at my church is, okay what happened 55:29 was there because of my changes and 55:32 that you know I recognized at this 55:34 really was whole truth not the 55:38 there weren't hiding anything here. 55:39 I mean I had scientific evidence to show, 55:41 yes, that and plus my own life experience 55:45 to show that what we were being taught 55:47 was full truth by the Bible, 55:51 by the science everything this 55:53 church wasn't hiding anything. 55:54 This church was telling us full truth 55:56 and they were trying to live by the things 55:58 that they were teaching and 56:00 I made the decision for Baptism. 56:02 Praise the Lord, and I was baptized. 56:04 So you are running the CHIP program 56:05 now as the Adventist church? Yes, 56:07 I am running the program and 56:08 in fact in Savannah, Illinois in February 56:11 we will be running our six programs, wow! 56:13 Great! Your sixth program, well done! 56:16 Do we have enough time for that 56:17 two minute clips of her wedding dress story? 56:19 Actually we will do it at the top of the 56:22 second hour because we just slipped over, 56:24 it's a great story that CHIP, 56:27 I don't think you saw when you first 56:29 got a CHIP that it would be 56:30 in Evangelistic. We wanted to 56:34 help people right, indeed, 56:36 and look what happened to her, yeah, 56:38 but it's Evangelistic Endeavor and 56:41 we praise the Lord for that. 56:42 Now when we come back in the second half 56:45 Wendy also has a story because as we seen, 56:49 Nancy was moving along Wendy had left 56:52 home was not brought up in the 56:54 Adventist faith, she is now in 56:56 Adventist little rocky road, dare we say, 57:00 but once from mom began to lose weight 57:05 lifestyle change, habits changed, 57:08 and of course when you got something good 57:10 you want to share it, that's what happens 57:14 when you've got something good you want 57:15 to share it, and sometimes 57:16 when you want to share it the people 57:17 that you want to share it with 57:18 are not quite so ready to receive 57:21 what you have. So sparks fly 57:24 good doctor. And sometimes 57:28 feelings get hurt so we want to 57:29 mind that story when we come back in the 57:31 second half and we'll put the focus of 57:34 spotlight on Wendy just a little bit 57:36 and see how Nancy's experience played out 57:39 in Wendy's life, stay tune get a 57:41 drink of water come on back and 57:43 we'll see in just two minutes. |
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