Hello friends and welcome
to another Thursday night
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live at 3ABN. I am
so glad you have taken
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the time to tune in.
If you are joining us
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via satellite,
television, radio, Internet,
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this is the hour that
you want to pause whatever
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you are doing, listen
to a program that's going
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to revolutionize the
way you think about health.
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That's why I did say
health because we are living
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in a society where
people are getting sick
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by the moment, and
much of it has to do with
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the practices and
habits that they have developed
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over many, many
years. If you are person
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that's tired of
medical bills and paying for
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things that are
not changing your life,
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and you don't see
any impact on the way
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that you live, and
even the medication you are
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taking overwhelming
you. This is the program
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that you want to be
part of, and so thank you
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so much for tuning
in. I want also thank you
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if you are
returning guest or for your
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prayers, and
your financial support
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of this network, and
as you know my name is
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John Lomacang,
and I am a part of the
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3ABN family. Now its
often customary for us
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to introduce our
guest at the very beginning,
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and sometimes even
have music, but tonight
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its going to be little
different, so you stick
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with us, and this is
also going to be a two
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hour program, for both
hours, talking about the
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same topics. And we will
also have some additional
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guests in the
second hour of our program.
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But instead of
having music tonight,
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I'd like to introduce
our guest a different way,
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not by telling you
who that person is,
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but by showing
you this video clip.
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Is the good life
killing you? Are you dying
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for a double
cheese burger and fries?
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Seventy percent of all
death are now attributed
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to lifestyle
choices, and thanks to obesity
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related health
issues, this will be first
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generation to
live shorter lives than
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their parents. We
all know the solution,
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move more, eat
better. But we also know the
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power of bad
habits. How do you change an
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entire lifetime
of unhealthy choices?
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You can't do it
alone, but there is help.
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Chip is the lifeline
you have been waiting for.
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You will see a
big difference in just
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thirty days.
Heart disease, cancer,
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diabetes, high blood
pressure, these diseases
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virtually unknown
a hundred years ago
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are now responsible for
three out of four deaths.
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Today obesity is
the number one health
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concern in North
America. But our unhealthy
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lifestyle isn't
just affecting adults.
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Obesity and its
lifelong health consequences
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is now the top worry
for children. But what hope
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is there for children
if parents are settling
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for a life of medications,
dialysis, angioplasties,
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and bypasses.
Clearly our indulgent western
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lifestyle isn't
working, but how can we change.
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You need to know
lifestyle diseases
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aren't just
preventable, they are largely
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reversible, and with
the Chip prescription for
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health you can see
changes in thirty days.
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Clogged arteries begin
to open up. Blood pressure
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come down.
Diabetes turns around.
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People eat more and weight less,
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and high cholesterol
levels drop more than
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twenty percent, and
the extra pounds come off.
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How, by making
safe, simple, painless,
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and deliberate
lifestyle choices.
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Its all about your
choices. Chip give you the
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education, motivation,
and supportive community
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to make smarter choices.
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The Chip program was
founded by Dr. Hans Diehl,
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Director of the
Lifestyle Medicine Institute,
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along with the team
of researchers, Dr. Diehl
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has shown us through
simple lifestyle many
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of today's killer
diseases can be turn around.
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Now he is taking that
message around the world
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liberating people from
the life obesity and disease.
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Fifty thousand
Chip graduates are
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living proof. Chip
works. The Chip clinical results
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based on before and
after clinical and lifestyle
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valuations have been
published in close to
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twenty medical journals,
and medical professionals
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around the world
are taking notice,
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and so our
corporations by bring Chip
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to their workers.
Progressive companies
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are reducing their medical costs
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and improving productivity.
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I was on seven pills and oxygen,
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and one year to live.
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Since I found Chip I
lost eight five pounds
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and I am living
the best life ever.
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In the Chip program you
will be given an attractive
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and easy to use
program materials targeting
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important health
and lifestyle issues.
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New behaviors are
reinforced by the Chip
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support team. Our staff alumni,
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and current members.
The friends you make here
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are friends for life
in more ways than one.
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These changes are
much more powerful
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than medications.
Every community should know
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about the Chip
program and give it a try.
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Chip can help you
get the healthy life you
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dreamed off. Kick the
old habits of the so called
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good life and with
Chip step confidently
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into the best life.
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Well if you tune in
before you may guess
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who our guest is
tonight and so I'll go ahead
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and introduce him at this time.
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Good to you have
here Dr. Hans Diehl.
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It's good to be with you again.
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Often times you
are at my right hand,
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but you are
co-hosting with me tonight,
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and it is always a
pleasure to have you here.
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And we also have two
additional guests with us
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tonight. Marilyne Sayler,
am I saying that correct?
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That's correct. And
before we introduce the person
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that is next to you
tell us where you are from,
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and actually
what you do right now?
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Well I am from Thief
River Falls, Minnesota.
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It's not a big place
up in northern Minnesota.
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We are seventy miles
south of the Canadian
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border in the far northwestern
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corner of the state. Okay.
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And I am registered
nurse, right now I am serving
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as a Chip Director in
our area, and I love it.
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Okay, and for those who
have watched our program
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the Coronary Health
Improvement Project has
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changed lives by the
thousands, and we are glad
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to have you tonight.
And I am going to the
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gentlemen next to you, tell us
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what's your and
where are you from.
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Hi, I am Tom
Kalinoski from Thief
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River Falls,
Minnesota also. Okay.
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And we are glad to
have you here tonight.
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You have a fascinating
story, and my co-host
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here tonight, we are
going to have fun talking
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about his, and if
you are watching program
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or listening even by
radio, you also know that
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we have a special
offer that we give,
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it's a free offer,
it's entitled 'Your Turn'
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not U the letter but You Turn.
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In other words if
your life and your health
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is going in a wrong
direction you got to
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make the decision
You Turn, understanding,
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preventing and
reversing lifestyle diseases.
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For copy of the free
copy, call us at 618-627-4651
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or if you are going to
sent an Internet message
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freeoffer@3ABN.org.
That's free offer at 3ABN.org
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It talks about high cholesterol,
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high blood pressure,
heart diseases, diabetes,
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obesity, and cancer,
which is going to be the
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part of the program
that we are talking about
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for this hour. But
Dr. Dr. Diehl, I mean
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you have been
doing this for sometime,
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just a couple of days
ago, let me just share this,
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I talked about this
when I was contemplating
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whether or not to mention
this, but I was fascinated
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to see how far and
wide, the impact for reversing
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lifestyle diseases has
really gone particularly
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from Bill Clinton,
former President Bill Clinton,
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on the Internet there
was video clip he was talking
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about how he had
made a determined effort
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and is today a vegan
by our standards reversed
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his lifestyle, he
said he has stents put in,
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and he discovered that
he could keep those stents
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clearer by lifestyle
change rather than by
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all the chemicals
and the medication,
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and so we see
that is really gone a
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long way in making a
difference in our lives.
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You know its very
interesting after his
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bypass some five, six years ago,
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it didn't stop
the disease process,
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the underlying disease
process of heart disease
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is arthrosclerosis
and gradual narrowing as
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you know and then
this last February the
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President troubled
again, a stent was inserted
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and then came the
wedding of his daughter,
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and probably she must
have kind of encouraged
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may be to loose a few
pounds, and also to think
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about some day dad
you probably become
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a grandfather, and all
of I sudden what I've heard
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was that the
former President became
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you know very excited
about this chasing his
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grand kids around the
yard. But he also realized
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I've to turn around
in terms of my lifestyle.
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It was that time that
he ran into I think he did
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the research, and he
found the material by
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Dr. Esselstyn. from
the Cleveland Clinic,
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and you know he
ready this book here,
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you might have seen this here
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Prevent and
Reverse Heart Diseases.
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In fact we did a
program if I remember with him
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if I remember.
That's correct. It's right.
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So the President read
this book, he read other
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books in a similar
vein talking about the
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possibility of
reversing disease by making some
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dietary and
lifestyle changes instead of
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relying on surgical procedures.
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And so he got the
idea that may be forks have
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something over knives.
You see and so it's all
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over the news that
the President has made a
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dramatic change
in his lifestyle.
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He lost some twenty
four minds, and everybody
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is wishing him well.
And of course his daughter
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was delighted, he
didn't only reach the goal,
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he had kind of I
think suggested to him
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fifteen pounds. He
exceeded that significantly
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and people are very
hopeful that the President
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will succeed in
his one year experiment
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with strictly
planned based diet.
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It makes a difference,
it's the matter of fact
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he boasted over the
fact that he is back down
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to the weight close to
when he was in high school.
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And you know that's not
easily achievable specially
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when we get older,
and the natural gravity
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in life takes over.
So that's a two hander
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as we say here at
3ABN, but lifestyle
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has a lot to it.
And the Chip program
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which you are
significantly a part of
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refresh my
memory, is that a program
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that's solely connected
to something you started.
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Well I guess it is,
its an educational program
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that is trying to
help people to become
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motivated, educated
and inspired to do the
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kind of things that
will turn lives around,
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and that's why book
for tonight has a free hand
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audios ''You Turn''.
You turn your life around;
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you turn your habits
around, and many times
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you can turn
the diseases around.
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We are no longer talking
about preventing diseases,
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but now we are
talking about reversing,
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many times we
can reverse disease.
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We can reverse diabetes,
hypertension, cholesterol,
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obesity, heart disease.
So, this is the Chip emphasis
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and you know fifty thousand
people have been brought
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me a lot of deep
personal satisfaction.
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Now, Marilyne is it
okay if I call you Marilyne.
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Yes. Okay, once again
reiterating you our nurse
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was also an administration,
so you have been involved
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in a medical field in
a very, very real way.
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But now tell me a
little bit about how you
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got involved in
the CHIP program.
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It was at the invitation
and urging of my sister
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who lives in British
Columbia. She lives in
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Kelowna British
Columbia, and that's where Chip
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really took off in a
big way right Dr. Diehl.
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I made about four
thousand people there
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in several programs
combined and I think your
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sister was there.
Yes, and she said you know
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there is this great
thing going on out here,
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you really ought to
come out, and it took a few
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years of encouraging
me and finally I did go
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and I attended one of
the CHIP's summits received
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the training to
be a CHIP Director,
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and got all
inspired came back home to
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Thief River Falls
and thought about it
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and said I think this
is going to be too hard,
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and I promptly let it
sit on the shelf for another
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couple of years, and
then I went back to another
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CHIP summit and
figured it then, okay
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I see ordinary people
getting involved in this,
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I think its time for
us to do it, and so doors
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opened up in some
really exciting ways
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and we launched
and we've been going
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out it since January of 2006.
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So, immediately it's not
an easy thing when you first
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look at it at least
from your perspective,
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you thought well this
is not what I want to do.
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It is intensive, and it
takes a team, this is not
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a one man show. It takes a team,
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and gathering that team
is sometimes challenging,
00:14:02.15\00:14:05.80
but we just are
grateful for wonderful alumni
00:14:05.97\00:14:10.49
who come out and
help us time after time
00:14:10.52\00:14:14.89
with the
programs, and we got a great
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team back at Thief River Falls.
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Now, you participated
in the program from the
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organizational side or
from the beneficial side,
00:14:21.92\00:14:25.40
which your from
both. Well, that I never
00:14:25.43\00:14:29.28
had a chance to
attend CHIP as a student
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before actually
facilitating a program,
00:14:32.79\00:14:35.19
so I was kind of a
teacher and a student
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at a same time, as
well as doing some of the
00:14:39.39\00:14:42.26
cooking and I want
you to know that I boiled
00:14:42.29\00:14:45.10
over the oat meal and
burn the toast on more
00:14:45.13\00:14:47.29
than one occasion.
But that first brave class
00:14:47.32\00:14:50.86
that went through
began to prove to us
00:14:50.89\00:14:54.22
and to me in particular,
this is powerful stuff.
00:14:54.25\00:14:58.66
We had one lady
who was diabetic on two
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medications, two
weeks into the program began
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telling me, I can't
walk like that I used to have
00:15:05.91\00:15:09.08
to stop and catch
my breathe and she was
00:15:09.11\00:15:11.83
beating herself up
over this, and I advised her
00:15:11.86\00:15:15.55
that she needed to
see her physician to check
00:15:15.58\00:15:18.31
on her medications,
and she came back yippy
00:15:18.34\00:15:22.25
I love one of my pills
already, and she was so
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excited at that point
there was no stopping us,
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because when you are
two weeks into a brand
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new program that
you are not sure about
00:15:32.20\00:15:33.95
and someone has
success that quickly,
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you know you are
dealing with powerful.
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The great motivator
to continue going on
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further into that.
Absolutely, boiled over
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oat meal, we don't
care, we are going to go on.
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So, what I am
hearing you say then is the
00:15:46.90\00:15:49.25
Chip program is involving
access to things that are
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readily available
in our super markets,
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in our food stores, not
any kind of special program
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or any special food
that you order prepackaged.
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We teach people how
to eat out of their own
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local super markets,
and stores, and up in
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Northern Minnesota we
don't have some of the
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necessities, some of
the bigger centers do but
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as you will see today
we are having terrific
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results in regardless
of all the necessities.
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Well, now getting in
touch with people you mentioned
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Minnesota, you also
mentioned Minnesota,
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now did you
meet in that program.
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Actually yes, we
did. Alright, now I am
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interested to find out
a little more about you
00:16:43.64\00:16:46.73
Tom Kelanoski, am I
saying that correctly.
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Yes, Polish. A
Polish name. Of course.
00:16:50.14\00:16:52.49
I was saying him
earlier, that sounds like
00:16:52.52\00:16:53.79
Native American Indian
but correcting me right away,
00:16:53.82\00:16:57.28
I was just kidding
with him. But I found that
00:16:57.34\00:16:59.97
right away that Tom was
only here to tell the story
00:17:00.00\00:17:02.48
but he is excited about
what the story in tales.
00:17:02.51\00:17:04.67
But before you tell
us what the CHIP program
00:17:04.96\00:17:07.73
did for you, I want you
to begin with the beginning
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meaning what even led
you to a place where you
00:17:09.93\00:17:13.03
desired to have a
change in your life,
00:17:13.06\00:17:14.60
or was it a
desire, or was it something
00:17:14.72\00:17:16.62
brought on by, I've
got to do something?
00:17:16.65\00:17:18.66
I was brought on
more I've to do something
00:17:19.61\00:17:21.81
because I was more or
less, I could hardly work,
00:17:21.84\00:17:25.69
I could hardly do
anything, I was in such a bad,
00:17:25.72\00:17:27.36
I was in such a bad
so. I had to do something,
00:17:27.39\00:17:30.48
and this was my last
resort, it was really like
00:17:30.51\00:17:32.76
the last resort, doctors
couldn't do anything more.
00:17:32.79\00:17:35.71
I did some stem cell
research and did some
00:17:35.74\00:17:38.54
of that, that didn't
help. So, it was like a,
00:17:38.57\00:17:41.17
it was a last
resort, and what I say thank
00:17:41.34\00:17:44.27
God CHIP. That's I am
here today and I feel good,
00:17:44.30\00:17:47.47
and everyone sees me
and then they say boy
00:17:47.50\00:17:49.82
you look like a
million bucks now, way better.
00:17:49.85\00:17:52.63
Now, what did you do for,
what did you do for living,
00:17:52.66\00:17:55.31
that got to you
to a place where you
00:17:55.34\00:17:57.37
felt you cannot
function any further?
00:17:57.50\00:17:59.40
I owned a rental
store up there. Okay.
00:17:59.43\00:18:01.95
So, we rent up
machinery, I got to lift
00:18:01.98\00:18:04.06
heavy objects, move
things around and I just
00:18:04.09\00:18:06.80
couldn't do it
anymore. I couldn't do anything.
00:18:06.83\00:18:09.45
And the CHIP
program what kind of changes
00:18:09.92\00:18:12.32
did it make in your
life. Before you talk about
00:18:12.35\00:18:14.33
the changes let me
go back a little bit.
00:18:14.36\00:18:15.57
How did you hear
about the CHIP program,
00:18:16.19\00:18:17.95
was it a local advertisement
or you heard through
00:18:17.98\00:18:21.14
a local doctor. Well, I
play pool with her sons.
00:18:21.17\00:18:24.76
We are in the pool
league together now,
00:18:25.78\00:18:27.40
and they know about
it, they hung around
00:18:28.12\00:18:30.99
my son too, and
they knew how bad a shape
00:18:31.02\00:18:35.10
I was, and how deteriorating and
00:18:35.13\00:18:37.40
really bad, and I
am complaining because
00:18:37.43\00:18:40.21
I can't do my work
and I got to do my work.
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They said you try
this and I talked to your
00:18:43.83\00:18:45.39
husband Ben
Tucker, and he swear by
00:18:45.42\00:18:48.88
and he said yes it
does work. And I said well
00:18:48.91\00:18:51.76
I don't like people
trying to sell me things,
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its got to be real and
I go to try, so I tried it
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and we have
Sunday is your first day,
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you get a blood
screening, and then you have two
00:19:01.57\00:19:04.36
classes that day, and the
we started a quick program,
00:19:04.39\00:19:08.32
its called, jump
start, Yeah, jump start.
00:19:08.35\00:19:11.57
We started that where
you eat special things
00:19:12.40\00:19:14.54
for the week, and
on Tuesday I woke up
00:19:14.57\00:19:17.47
and I felt like I feel
really different already
00:19:17.50\00:19:20.76
because I've just cleaned out,
00:19:20.79\00:19:21.95
I feel refreshed, you
know not that heavy feeling
00:19:21.98\00:19:24.79
all the time, and I
said this might work
00:19:24.82\00:19:26.83
so we went on it
for pretty hard for
00:19:26.86\00:19:28.43
thirty days, the class time, and
00:19:28.46\00:19:31.64
it made a lot of difference.
00:19:31.67\00:19:32.87
And so you saw in a
short period of time,
00:19:33.26\00:19:35.67
you started seeing
the body reversing,
00:19:35.70\00:19:37.98
you started seeing the
things that were holding
00:19:38.53\00:19:40.76
you down being removed
and being elevated you started
00:19:40.79\00:19:44.41
feeling differently. A
lot difference yes. Okay.
00:19:44.44\00:19:47.16
Way more energy,
everything just I start
00:19:47.19\00:19:51.42
working I came back,
I could do more work,
00:19:51.45\00:19:54.38
and as you go its
not just thirty days,
00:19:54.41\00:19:56.97
that's how long
the class lasted.
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But even you know that
was about two years ago.
00:19:59.83\00:20:01.93
Right now this
venture the doctor took me off
00:20:03.44\00:20:07.91
some blood pressure
medicine, cut them one
00:20:07.94\00:20:10.26
of them out. So,
its even years later
00:20:10.29\00:20:12.89
I am getting rid of
some of these pills that
00:20:12.92\00:20:14.71
they keep pushing
down my throat you know.
00:20:14.74\00:20:17.25
Now, tell us a little
bit about when did this
00:20:19.51\00:20:22.16
all begin, you know
this disease situation,
00:20:22.19\00:20:26.39
did it suddenly appear,
was related to your heart,
00:20:27.35\00:20:31.31
you talked about some heaviness.
00:20:31.34\00:20:32.48
Tell us well how
did this all started.
00:20:32.51\00:20:34.70
It started years ago
when I was like eighteen
00:20:35.07\00:20:38.64
or nineteen, you are in
for physical went to doctor
00:20:38.67\00:20:41.95
and he said we need to
put you on blood pressure
00:20:41.98\00:20:44.47
medicine. At
nineteen years of age.
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Eighteen, nineteen
years old. It must have
00:20:46.20\00:20:47.48
been very high.
Oh yeah real high.
00:20:47.51\00:20:49.98
real high. Do
you know the number?
00:20:50.01\00:20:51.41
No, but they were so
high and I said I don't
00:20:51.44\00:20:55.09
take pills, no I
am tough, I am young
00:20:55.12\00:20:59.17
and dumb is really
what should I've said
00:20:59.20\00:21:00.36
but be more like it
but no I didn't take pills
00:21:00.39\00:21:04.26
and I didn't
really know how high,
00:21:04.29\00:21:07.06
and I still don't to this
day but when you give blood
00:21:07.09\00:21:10.95
and the nurse takes
your blood pressure,
00:21:11.75\00:21:13.41
and she tells you
immediately go to your
00:21:13.44\00:21:16.24
doctor and get
pills, you know its probably
00:21:16.27\00:21:19.35
pretty high.
Especially as a nineteen
00:21:19.38\00:21:21.02
or nineteen years old.
Yeah but you are giving
00:21:21.05\00:21:22.82
blood twenty,
twenty one that went on for
00:21:22.85\00:21:25.69
and every once a
while it would be okay
00:21:25.72\00:21:27.68
and I give blood most
time was to go to your
00:21:27.71\00:21:30.01
doctor immediately,
and of course I didn't so.
00:21:30.04\00:21:33.65
So, you kind of, sort
of a macho kind of a guy,
00:21:34.34\00:21:38.36
denying, ignoring, I'll
do it my way. Of course,
00:21:38.39\00:21:41.81
I am tough, I work
hard, don't need pills,
00:21:42.54\00:21:46.14
I last forever. And
lasting for ever didn't
00:21:46.28\00:21:51.14
quite turn out
that way, you had some
00:21:51.17\00:21:52.94
warnings then
right what happened?
00:21:52.97\00:21:54.38
Well, I guess at
forty seven which was
00:21:54.41\00:21:58.72
year 2003, one of my
friends had some heart
00:21:58.75\00:22:02.39
problems and I thought
he was somewhat healthy,
00:22:02.42\00:22:04.89
may be I should get
smart and go to my doctor
00:22:05.75\00:22:08.20
and listen to him.
So, I started taking some
00:22:08.23\00:22:10.39
blood pressure
medicine. And then in 2005
00:22:10.42\00:22:14.13
when I was forty
nine I started feeling
00:22:14.16\00:22:19.16
pretty tough. So, I
went to doctor and I said
00:22:19.19\00:22:21.66
I don't know what's
wrong but I can't work like
00:22:21.69\00:22:23.54
I want to work. Yeah
I am getting old but now
00:22:23.57\00:22:25.97
I need to work
on. Something is wrong
00:22:26.00\00:22:28.42
so he did a whole
cancer screening thing because
00:22:28.45\00:22:31.31
my mom died of cancer.
Everything was okay there,
00:22:31.70\00:22:35.36
so then we came back
and he says well we better
00:22:36.01\00:22:38.44
check your heart
because my dad had a triple
00:22:38.47\00:22:41.07
bypass when he was
like fifty five probably
00:22:41.10\00:22:43.71
which was years
ago done at Neo clinic.
00:22:43.74\00:22:46.93
And so he started
checking that, and he says
00:22:47.13\00:22:49.03
something is majorly
wrong. So, he sent me over
00:22:49.06\00:22:53.43
to Grand Forks town,
close to us it's a big town
00:22:53.46\00:22:55.58
and did a stress test
which I failed at really bad.
00:22:56.00\00:22:58.95
Oh so you had a
stress treadmill test,
00:23:00.20\00:23:03.13
stress test you
didn't last very long.
00:23:03.16\00:23:05.67
No. You knew there was
something your physician
00:23:05.70\00:23:09.01
did what. Well,
they said then you have
00:23:09.54\00:23:11.62
to come back for
angiogram. Oh yes.
00:23:11.65\00:23:13.58
Where they show the
big tube up into your heart
00:23:13.61\00:23:16.84
and inject fluid in
there anyway. So, I said
00:23:16.87\00:23:20.52
yeah lets go, lets
get it down right now.
00:23:20.55\00:23:22.27
So, we went in I think
few days later, or week later,
00:23:22.64\00:23:25.80
and we went to
do this angiogram.
00:23:25.83\00:23:27.49
You know, they say is
scarier than anything else
00:23:28.44\00:23:31.44
because you can have
problems when they do it,
00:23:31.47\00:23:33.50
they are setting a
needle up your vessel,
00:23:33.53\00:23:35.58
and they can break
up and they might have
00:23:35.61\00:23:37.00
to cut you open
immediately. So, I was
00:23:37.03\00:23:38.84
little tense, I've
never really had operation
00:23:38.87\00:23:41.05
or anything
major, anything done,
00:23:41.08\00:23:43.72
so they did the
angiogram, and I tell the doctor
00:23:43.75\00:23:46.79
well you better get this
done, I need to go back to
00:23:46.82\00:23:48.76
work tomorrow.
So, lets get it done,
00:23:48.79\00:23:49.99
and I got to
go. Not knowing what
00:23:50.15\00:23:52.19
the results are going to be.
00:23:52.22\00:23:53.19
Right, so they do
it, and they sit there
00:23:53.20\00:23:55.42
and they are
talking to each other,
00:23:55.45\00:23:57.08
and looking at me
funny. So, they pulled me out
00:23:57.11\00:24:02.17
and said well
call your family in.
00:24:02.20\00:24:03.54
So I called my son and
some people in with me.
00:24:04.24\00:24:07.29
You've got some
major problem and I go,
00:24:07.68\00:24:10.14
what do you mean, and
he says well you got five
00:24:10.17\00:24:12.75
arteries plucked,
five major ones plugged,
00:24:12.78\00:24:16.11
starting at 100%, 99,
98,96, 95 somewhere there major.
00:24:16.25\00:24:21.22
You could have heart
attack waiting to happen.
00:24:23.33\00:24:24.90
Yes. Well, I knew
I was in tough shape
00:24:24.93\00:24:28.35
because that
spring when I was working
00:24:28.38\00:24:30.11
in my yard which I
love to do. I was trying
00:24:30.14\00:24:33.11
to put hose clamp on
and it would like I would
00:24:33.29\00:24:34.92
work on this hose for
five minutes and I will be
00:24:34.95\00:24:37.44
sweating to death
and couldn't do it,
00:24:37.47\00:24:40.43
I ran out of breath.
So, I will sit there for
00:24:40.46\00:24:42.17
fifteen minutes
and go back to work
00:24:42.20\00:24:44.15
and I got this. So,
I knew something major
00:24:44.18\00:24:47.04
was wrong but not
that major, so we say lets
00:24:47.07\00:24:51.16
get this done
and get it done with.
00:24:51.19\00:24:52.77
So, then a few days later we go.
00:24:52.80\00:24:55.41
I want to ask
you now, you told me
00:24:57.85\00:25:00.99
that you expected
that the doctor would treat
00:25:01.02\00:25:03.85
you in a quick way.
What, where you looking
00:25:03.88\00:25:07.45
at may be they stick a stent in
00:25:07.48\00:25:09.52
and you be fixed up real fast.
00:25:09.55\00:25:11.61
That's the usual
you know they go in
00:25:11.64\00:25:13.61
and the find a blockage,
and they put the stent in,
00:25:13.64\00:25:15.48
the next day you are
out probably hopefully
00:25:15.51\00:25:17.69
because I've to go to
work, I've work to do.
00:25:17.72\00:25:19.84
So this what you do? So,
you want to get this done
00:25:20.77\00:25:22.69
and over with I've
a life to carry on,
00:25:22.72\00:25:24.60
Yes, not knowing
that when you have a
00:25:24.63\00:25:26.52
hundred percent
blockage, I mean we are talking
00:25:26.55\00:25:29.02
about nothing going through 100%
00:25:29.05\00:25:31.02
means nothing is going through,
00:25:31.05\00:25:32.61
Yeah, there at
99, 98, 95 , 90, yeah,
00:25:32.64\00:25:35.94
I mean you
shouldn't even have the moving
00:25:35.97\00:25:38.34
at that particular time.
Yeah they were surprised;
00:25:38.37\00:25:40.29
I said why I have the
shirt pins in my right here
00:25:40.32\00:25:42.95
just like take a knife
and just do like this hard
00:25:42.98\00:25:45.98
and that's what it
was. Then I would sit down
00:25:46.01\00:25:48.61
and quick sweating
and just give my breathe,
00:25:48.64\00:25:52.76
and then I will go back to work.
00:25:52.79\00:25:53.76
That's a very smarter
of course, that's what
00:25:54.73\00:25:57.05
happens when you will
pull sometimes though.
00:25:57.08\00:25:58.82
That's where I
claim it on. Hereditary.
00:25:59.76\00:26:01.36
Yeah, A
hereditary reluctance. Yeah.
00:26:01.39\00:26:03.62
so we went under
that, and I've never had
00:26:03.65\00:26:05.76
a operation, and that was scary.
00:26:05.79\00:26:09.18
So, do you went then
under the knife right.
00:26:10.17\00:26:12.85
Yes, I had open
heart surgery where they
00:26:12.88\00:26:15.12
five arteries open
, five of them yes.
00:26:15.15\00:26:17.22
Okay, how do you feel
about that. I'll never
00:26:17.25\00:26:20.20
do it again,
never. Really. no never
00:26:20.23\00:26:24.41
because, was it painful?
00:26:24.44\00:26:26.62
Yeah, and then it's a
long recovery period too.
00:26:26.65\00:26:29.74
So, that's about
four weeks, eight weeks.
00:26:30.82\00:26:33.30
Well, they said for
me because of my job
00:26:34.33\00:26:36.97
I carry a lot of
stuff, and when they open up
00:26:37.00\00:26:39.44
your ribcage they
tight and wire it together,
00:26:39.47\00:26:42.88
and they said
you've got be very watchful
00:26:43.67\00:26:46.36
what you do for the
first month not more than
00:26:46.39\00:26:48.51
five pounds with
either hand because this will
00:26:48.54\00:26:52.68
break open. If that
breaks open its highly
00:26:52.71\00:26:55.28
unlikely that it
will ever dwell together.
00:26:55.31\00:26:57.48
So you are really limited
to your lifestyle or life
00:26:57.51\00:27:01.74
from then on. So,
it was really important
00:27:02.00\00:27:04.26
I need to have
this grow together.
00:27:04.29\00:27:07.18
And so then this
five bypasses now,
00:27:09.14\00:27:11.04
we are looking at
the post operation
00:27:11.07\00:27:12.70
five bypasses you had
some stents placed also.
00:27:13.07\00:27:17.92
After that, yes
two months after that
00:27:17.95\00:27:20.69
I call them and said
well I am feeling pretty good.
00:27:20.72\00:27:22.46
I got a buddy that
once go to goose hunting,
00:27:22.97\00:27:24.98
can I go. He said he
could, just take it real easy,
00:27:25.23\00:27:27.98
so we went and I think
we got a couple of geese
00:27:28.01\00:27:31.15
and then the next day I woke up
00:27:31.43\00:27:32.66
and I just felt
really tough, really tough,
00:27:32.69\00:27:35.78
so I called up to
doctor, and he said well
00:27:35.81\00:27:37.26
we have to get you checked out.
00:27:37.29\00:27:38.26
Grand Forest have
the cardiologist checked
00:27:39.50\00:27:41.50
it again, and then
they me put under again the
00:27:41.53\00:27:44.54
angiogram, and they put
a stent in. and I woke up,
00:27:44.57\00:27:48.86
and I felt like a
million bucks just like great.
00:27:48.89\00:27:52.62
So, you had
recurrence of discomfort,
00:27:52.88\00:27:56.92
the perspiration, the
sweating, the symptoms
00:27:57.11\00:28:00.76
were back, and now
they place a special stent
00:28:00.79\00:28:04.78
to open up that
particular part of the vessel.
00:28:04.81\00:28:06.95
Right. And you
thought miraculously
00:28:06.98\00:28:10.78
everything is
restored. I woke up
00:28:10.81\00:28:12.50
and I felt great. It's
like, it felt, this time
00:28:12.53\00:28:15.59
I felt like there was
fifty pound weight on my
00:28:15.62\00:28:17.45
chest all the
time. It was different,
00:28:17.48\00:28:19.37
a little different
than the other ones
00:28:19.40\00:28:20.69
but it was like and I
woke up and it was not there,
00:28:20.72\00:28:24.20
great I can go
back to work, you know
00:28:25.29\00:28:27.79
it felt great,
and I got going again
00:28:27.82\00:28:31.23
and months later I
felt really, really tough
00:28:31.26\00:28:34.18
so I went in again.
Because now when they go back
00:28:34.67\00:28:38.02
to check, what did they
find. They found all five
00:28:38.05\00:28:41.48
of them are plucked. I
mean the grafted vessels.
00:28:41.51\00:28:44.31
Yeah the grafted
vessels, yeah, the scarred up
00:28:44.34\00:28:47.13
is what they call it, did
not pluck but they scarred,
00:28:47.16\00:28:49.70
and they scarred up so
much, that they can't put
00:28:49.73\00:28:52.95
a stent in there, it
was too long a blockage,
00:28:52.98\00:28:56.33
you can't put
twenty or thirty of them
00:28:56.36\00:28:58.08
together I am sure.
It was just too long.
00:28:58.11\00:29:00.66
You see this is the
trouble with heart disease.
00:29:02.01\00:29:05.65
You have a killer
disease here where the
00:29:06.16\00:29:10.01
underlying
pathology is atherosclerosis
00:29:10.04\00:29:13.40
and narrowing of the
arteries, and that relates
00:29:13.43\00:29:16.54
to how we live
especially what we eat.
00:29:16.57\00:29:19.16
You talk about cholesterol
and calcification, and
00:29:19.67\00:29:23.97
this kind of things,
and when you have a bypass
00:29:24.00\00:29:27.32
its symptoms is a
life saving operation.
00:29:27.35\00:29:30.62
It probably works
for him. I would say,
00:29:30.82\00:29:33.46
But tragically
nobody would have took
00:29:33.49\00:29:36.07
and said listen I
mean you got to change,
00:29:36.10\00:29:39.92
turn around, you
got to turn around,
00:29:39.95\00:29:43.24
you are introducing
the very disease that
00:29:43.27\00:29:47.59
try to modify it surgically,
you are reintroducing
00:29:47.62\00:29:51.93
that now again
into the new veins
00:29:51.96\00:29:54.15
that's had been
just grafted in there.
00:29:54.18\00:29:55.58
So, but did anybody
talked you about the
00:29:55.61\00:29:58.05
need for some
change, were you a smoker.
00:29:58.08\00:30:00.57
No. You are
physically active. Oh yes.
00:30:00.86\00:30:04.87
As part of your job.
Yes. What was your diet like.
00:30:04.90\00:30:08.06
Have a good streak
every other night with lot of
00:30:10.29\00:30:12.25
butter and lot of
sour cream on my potato
00:30:12.28\00:30:15.88
and lots of eggs,
you know the good stuff.
00:30:15.91\00:30:18.02
Yeah the American
diet. The American diet,
00:30:18.05\00:30:20.32
there you go. Do
you know the word diet
00:30:20.35\00:30:22.32
has the first
two letters is die?
00:30:22.35\00:30:24.41
I have never
thought, That just came to me
00:30:26.97\00:30:29.30
but with that
kind of diet butter,
00:30:29.33\00:30:31.73
that sounds like the
American diet the meat
00:30:32.20\00:30:34.25
and potatoes kind
of diet with butter.
00:30:34.28\00:30:35.83
Oh yeah. So, after
the heart they didn't
00:30:35.96\00:30:38.20
say Tom modify the way you eat.
00:30:38.23\00:30:40.09
Well of course you
have dieticians coming in
00:30:40.12\00:30:42.25
and they say you
should eat more carbohydrates
00:30:42.28\00:30:45.47
or they use this
minutes like I am a man,
00:30:45.50\00:30:47.71
I don't know what
that is, and they explain
00:30:47.74\00:30:50.26
and it just goes in one
ear and goes of the other,
00:30:50.29\00:30:53.47
I don't pay
attention. Because lifestyle
00:30:53.50\00:30:55.92
was pretty much the
thing that was leading you.
00:30:55.95\00:30:57.47
As long as you felt
good, you felt you can
00:30:57.50\00:30:59.54
go back to the
way you were before.
00:30:59.57\00:31:01.15
Of course. Yeah
the doctor fixed you.
00:31:01.18\00:31:03.32
He fixed me, I am
okay now again right.
00:31:03.35\00:31:05.43
The doctor will
take care of me. Yes.
00:31:05.46\00:31:07.54
See that's what
President Clinton thought too.
00:31:07.57\00:31:09.70
You know we have this
idea that heart disease
00:31:10.35\00:31:13.55
is something that
progresses, there is
00:31:13.58\00:31:15.65
nothing you can do
about it, and no one seemingly
00:31:15.68\00:31:18.24
makes the effort to
say hey you can delay
00:31:18.27\00:31:21.20
this disease, you
can stop this disease,
00:31:21.23\00:31:23.09
you can arrest the
disease, you can reverse
00:31:23.12\00:31:25.57
this disease by
making some simple changes,
00:31:25.60\00:31:28.04
so that you turn off
the facet of the causes.
00:31:28.07\00:31:31.03
See that's apparently
didn't happened or may be
00:31:31.55\00:31:35.39
tried but you weren't
ready for it yet right.
00:31:35.42\00:31:37.89
We just don't listen.
Okay. I mean they tell
00:31:38.39\00:31:41.41
you again one
paragraph of couple of minutes
00:31:41.44\00:31:44.81
they tell you about how
you should change eating.
00:31:44.84\00:31:46.65
You don't pay
attention, I mean most people
00:31:47.23\00:31:49.41
don't I wont
think'. Yeah so but then
00:31:49.44\00:31:53.68
you came to CHIP as
a last resort you said.
00:31:53.71\00:31:57.00
Well I had some
things before that.
00:31:57.03\00:31:59.29
You didn't have
any other options.
00:31:59.32\00:32:00.29
I went to a few
other places and talked
00:32:00.30\00:32:02.86
to the doctors and
said hey should I, you know
00:32:02.89\00:32:06.35
I said I've this
problem may be you can put
00:32:06.38\00:32:09.38
stents in here and I
went to the other cities
00:32:09.41\00:32:11.28
and some other
places and down at northwest
00:32:11.31\00:32:13.90
in Minneapolis, they
said we have opted this club,
00:32:13.93\00:32:17.25
which is kind of
research center type thing,
00:32:19.07\00:32:21.85
and they are really well known.
00:32:21.88\00:32:23.45
So, I joined that,
and so I was guinea pig
00:32:23.48\00:32:27.83
what I would call
first stem cell research.
00:32:28.32\00:32:30.84
Okay. Which was
very interesting.
00:32:30.87\00:32:33.09
So this was a research project.
00:32:33.21\00:32:35.11
Did you get into
the intervention group,
00:32:35.14\00:32:37.48
went to the control
room. There is one group that
00:32:37.51\00:32:42.10
receives sort of
sugar pill, you don't know
00:32:44.08\00:32:47.02
what you really
getting or where you getting
00:32:47.05\00:32:49.07
the intervention or. I
got the fake stuff because
00:32:49.10\00:32:52.75
I am unlucky guy. Yes,
yes for its unlucky guy.
00:32:52.78\00:32:56.45
So you were in the
control room. Yes right,
00:32:56.48\00:32:58.74
Yeah you go
through a bunch of steps,
00:32:58.77\00:33:02.33
we drive three miles to
cities a bunch of times,
00:33:02.39\00:33:04.62
and I think it was,
it was a good program,
00:33:04.65\00:33:06.98
it sounded nice,
hopefully it will help make
00:33:07.21\00:33:10.06
what they call
collaterals in my heart instead
00:33:10.33\00:33:13.51
of veins they would make
a bunch of small ones. Okay.
00:33:13.54\00:33:16.02
And it would that in
six months or year compared
00:33:16.05\00:33:19.19
to ten years
normally your body does.
00:33:19.22\00:33:21.75
So I was hoping it
would make things better.
00:33:22.28\00:33:24.93
So I went
through the whole thing
00:33:25.71\00:33:26.68
and I was down there for a week,
00:33:26.71\00:33:28.78
and they injected my
heart with my stem cells
00:33:28.81\00:33:32.03
certain cells, and they
said three to six months,
00:33:32.06\00:33:36.40
you should notice a
big change, well of course
00:33:36.43\00:33:38.78
I didn't. So that
didn't work, so after that
00:33:38.81\00:33:44.07
they drop me to
a program call EECP
00:33:44.10\00:33:47.63
which is Enhanced
External Counter Pulsation.
00:33:48.44\00:33:53.30
Yeah so I did
that thirty five times.
00:33:53.33\00:33:55.90
Basically they put a
big blood pressure cuff
00:33:55.93\00:34:00.83
on your legs and
when your heart beats out
00:34:00.86\00:34:05.80
they put back
pressure on it more or less,
00:34:06.39\00:34:08.14
and it makes some of its
pressure on your arteries
00:34:08.22\00:34:12.37
to make them grow
faster. And they were
00:34:12.40\00:34:15.63
saying and of
course I was the youngest
00:34:15.66\00:34:17.08
one there that they
did. So they said here
00:34:17.11\00:34:20.66
we have older
people that can't walk
00:34:20.69\00:34:22.95
and when they get done
with this, they can walk
00:34:22.98\00:34:24.82
out of here. So I
thought may be it will help me,
00:34:24.85\00:34:27.50
and I went
through the whole program
00:34:27.53\00:34:28.96
and I didn't
notice any change at all.
00:34:28.99\00:34:30.91
So I am done,
I've nothing to go for,
00:34:30.94\00:34:34.50
the doctor said
he could may be go in
00:34:34.53\00:34:37.17
and open me up
which I will never do,
00:34:37.20\00:34:39.44
and put on one more bypass.
00:34:39.92\00:34:41.80
But you know from
the past experience
00:34:43.08\00:34:44.92
if its unless there
is some miracle its going
00:34:45.44\00:34:47.48
to result in the
very same thing that
00:34:47.51\00:34:49.08
you are experiencing
already. Yes. Pretty much
00:34:49.11\00:34:50.88
on
merry-go-round just going around
00:34:50.91\00:34:52.67
and around
revolving and what I like,
00:34:52.70\00:34:55.50
what I am hearing
though is Tom was willing
00:34:55.53\00:34:57.85
to try whatever it
took to find optimum health.
00:34:57.88\00:35:01.04
Yes. So, that
determination did get
00:35:01.07\00:35:03.46
to the point where
something works what
00:35:03.49\00:35:05.48
kept you driving.
Actually I think the desire
00:35:05.51\00:35:08.19
to stay alive is
what kept you driven.
00:35:08.22\00:35:10.05
Yeah I have a son to
care of, that was for him
00:35:10.16\00:35:13.69
I probably won't be here today,
00:35:13.72\00:35:14.98
but I have a reason
to live, and he was it.
00:35:15.01\00:35:17.64
So I kept looking
and this thing came up,
00:35:18.10\00:35:19.95
and this was great. See
he exhausted every hospital,
00:35:19.98\00:35:23.73
medical, intervention;
he was now at dead end,
00:35:23.76\00:35:27.28
right. And then I guess
it that when CHIP came in.
00:35:27.31\00:35:30.41
Yes that's when CHIP
came in. So, your friends the
00:35:30.44\00:35:34.36
sons of Marilyne,
they apparently mentioned
00:35:34.39\00:35:38.08
to you and you
have nothing more to,
00:35:38.11\00:35:41.10
you have nothing to loose.
00:35:41.13\00:35:42.35
Yeah I had
nothing else I could do,
00:35:42.38\00:35:43.88
the doctors
couldn't do anything for me,
00:35:43.91\00:35:45.54
they said you are like a
lazy eighty year old man,
00:35:46.85\00:35:50.16
that's your
health. I said no I am not,
00:35:50.71\00:35:53.02
I won't stand for
his, something got
00:35:53.05\00:35:55.04
to be done
because I got work to do.
00:35:55.07\00:35:57.29
He is in his forties
and they tell him you need
00:35:57.32\00:35:59.82
to live like a lazy
eighty year old man.
00:35:59.85\00:36:02.75
And they are telling
that he need to live that way.
00:36:03.37\00:36:05.56
Yes, that's they way
my health is like a lazy
00:36:05.59\00:36:08.00
eighty year old
man which is pretty
00:36:08.03\00:36:09.67
well nothing, I
think. The doctors are also
00:36:09.70\00:36:15.02
telling him there is
nothing more we can do.
00:36:15.05\00:36:18.08
Yes. He would not
have his chest cracked
00:36:19.04\00:36:22.29
open again, and
therefore that's it.
00:36:22.32\00:36:25.83
Dead end it. And
then you come in with
00:36:25.86\00:36:28.63
the CHIP program.
Your boys talk about
00:36:28.66\00:36:31.01
this with him. And
tell us what happened?
00:36:31.04\00:36:33.91
And then Ben her
husband talked to me because
00:36:34.17\00:36:36.35
he would be a hard
sale, a real hard one,
00:36:36.38\00:36:39.45
so he took the program
and he said Tom it works.
00:36:39.48\00:36:41.60
I said well I'll try it
and I did it and thank God
00:36:41.77\00:36:45.99
it worked like a
charm, it was great.
00:36:46.02\00:36:47.76
Now, your husband is a
dentist, right, Yes, yes.
00:36:48.16\00:36:50.91
I see so you
probably listen to him
00:36:50.94\00:36:52.92
right a little bit
more. Yeah I listen to him
00:36:52.95\00:36:55.27
but its hard to
sell me on a project,
00:36:55.30\00:36:59.45
I would like to try, so
I tried it, and it worked
00:36:59.48\00:37:02.03
really good. It's not
a sales call, its not,
00:37:02.06\00:37:05.35
the nice thing
about the class I liked
00:37:05.80\00:37:07.63
is they convince
you beyond the shadow
00:37:08.53\00:37:11.55
of the doubt why you
should be doing this.
00:37:11.58\00:37:13.23
I call it no
brainier, you just listen to it,
00:37:13.79\00:37:17.05
and you believe
it because it's true.
00:37:17.08\00:37:19.14
There is lot of
statistics in there and proof of
00:37:19.72\00:37:23.02
why you should
be deeding this way.
00:37:23.05\00:37:24.51
And you walk out,
you go yeah this is,
00:37:25.17\00:37:28.91
its really easy
just no brainier.
00:37:28.94\00:37:31.70
That is truly true you
know in our CHIP program.
00:37:31.80\00:37:34.28
We stress the why
we should do this,
00:37:34.83\00:37:37.70
and we show people
the science is in place
00:37:37.73\00:37:40.44
if you do A you get B,
if you have a high salt
00:37:40.47\00:37:44.87
intake as we do in our society,
00:37:44.90\00:37:46.45
you can expect to be risk for
00:37:46.48\00:37:48.26
high blood
pressure. If you have diet
00:37:48.29\00:37:50.58
that is very high in
fat and cholesterol the
00:37:50.61\00:37:53.26
chance are very
high that you probably
00:37:53.29\00:37:54.97
will get a high
cholesterol which then leads
00:37:55.00\00:37:57.40
to atherosclerosis
arteries inside. So the CHIP
00:37:57.43\00:38:01.05
almost stresses the
scientific understanding
00:38:01.08\00:38:04.74
of why we develop this
so called chronic diseases
00:38:04.77\00:38:08.32
that rob us of our
life energy, and so you came
00:38:08.38\00:38:12.62
into that program
then Tom right. Yes.
00:38:12.65\00:38:15.05
And you began to see
the relationship between
00:38:15.08\00:38:17.91
how we live and how
we die. And then you
00:38:17.94\00:38:20.63
also learn in a CHIP
program how we can change,
00:38:20.66\00:38:23.68
right. It's the
why and how to. Yes.
00:38:24.17\00:38:26.96
And of course you
were very much involved
00:38:26.99\00:38:28.54
in the how to as
well, right. That's right.
00:38:28.57\00:38:31.37
You have cooking
examples, you help people
00:38:31.40\00:38:33.83
to get into
exercise program right,
00:38:33.86\00:38:35.97
you help them to deal
with the stress coping
00:38:36.00\00:38:39.06
with that, means its all there.
00:38:39.09\00:38:40.67
And of course you
have the scientific
00:38:41.23\00:38:42.89
presentations done
on the video program.
00:38:42.92\00:38:45.07
Yes. And that's sort of
probably add all added up
00:38:45.10\00:38:48.16
to make it sense to
you, so you begin to do it.
00:38:48.19\00:38:50.82
Yes, and we have
reading and we have class
00:38:50.85\00:38:54.21
and we interact and
its, the nice thing is the
00:38:54.24\00:38:57.35
food too. That
makes the major difference
00:38:57.38\00:39:02.01
if the food taste
good, a lot of times people
00:39:02.04\00:39:04.79
think that to
become healthy your food
00:39:04.82\00:39:06.49
has to taste
terrible. Oh no, oh no.
00:39:06.52\00:39:09.59
I don't think
the God made terrible
00:39:10.14\00:39:11.73
tasting food, and so
often times it's the people
00:39:11.76\00:39:14.98
that the way its
prepared and then
00:39:15.01\00:39:16.48
you've discovered
that there are things that
00:39:16.51\00:39:18.84
are better than meat
and potatoes with butter
00:39:18.87\00:39:21.85
all over, and you
are living proof of that.
00:39:21.88\00:39:25.46
Yes. I think this
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00:39:57.00\00:39:59.26
of I won't say thousands
but millions of individuals
00:39:59.29\00:40:02.78
around our country
and in the middle of the
00:40:03.07\00:40:05.01
health crisis. I think
it would be good that some
00:40:05.04\00:40:07.59
of you know that
you can take steps.
00:40:07.62\00:40:09.14
It doesn't just
have to be the cause
00:40:09.17\00:40:10.99
but the real cause is
what you do in you kitchen,
00:40:11.26\00:40:13.75
what you do in
your home, what you do
00:40:14.01\00:40:15.76
at lunch time, and that's
what Tom story is all about.
00:40:15.79\00:40:18.80
Pick it up where you ended.
00:40:18.83\00:40:19.80
So you come into CHIP program,
00:40:19.81\00:40:21.71
what were some of
the clinical improvements
00:40:22.56\00:40:25.54
or can you feel better,
okay. But are there some
00:40:25.58\00:40:29.09
documented numbers
did something happened
00:40:29.12\00:40:31.68
to your weight where
you kind of little bit
00:40:31.71\00:40:33.45
overweight or,
yes, where you right up?
00:40:33.48\00:40:35.48
Yes, I was
little overweight yeah.
00:40:35.51\00:40:37.61
So your weight
came down? A little yes,
00:40:37.64\00:40:39.52
the more I
exercise the better it is,
00:40:39.55\00:40:41.38
but my numbers you
know all the cholesterol
00:40:41.62\00:40:43.89
numbers really came
down. When I walked in the
00:40:43.92\00:40:46.31
program I was
taking lot of cholesterol
00:40:46.34\00:40:48.52
medicine and it was
at 171. So when I left
00:40:48.55\00:40:52.83
there it was 117,
that's in four weeks of
00:40:52.86\00:40:57.69
eating right. Wow. Four
weeks. He turned the seven
00:40:57.72\00:41:01.43
and one around. Yes,
but that's in four weeks,
00:41:01.46\00:41:04.64
that's huge. In four weeks.
00:41:04.67\00:41:06.79
That's a thirty two
percent drop. Yeah. Now with
00:41:06.82\00:41:09.73
the drop did your
physician reduce the medication?
00:41:09.76\00:41:12.99
Yeah after that I
went into my doctor
00:41:13.02\00:41:15.51
and of course he
says a lot of people go on
00:41:15.54\00:41:17.86
diets and do
things and it doesn't last
00:41:17.89\00:41:19.80
but he reduced two
pills and he cut in half
00:41:19.83\00:41:23.10
and another one he
lowered too, and later on
00:41:23.85\00:41:26.71
we've been cutting our
pills, eventually we are
00:41:26.74\00:41:30.28
going to get rid of
most of them I hope so.
00:41:30.31\00:41:32.21
But yeah since I am on
it, but yeah that's a pretty
00:41:32.24\00:41:35.10
big drop and also I mean
my blood pressure dropped,
00:41:35.13\00:41:38.16
your heart beat
drops, lot of other stuff.
00:41:38.19\00:41:41.15
You know
cholesterol of 200 is kind of
00:41:41.18\00:41:45.02
considered normal
sort of acceptable number
00:41:45.05\00:41:48.99
for most clinical practitioners.
00:41:49.02\00:41:51.79
Your physician was
very concerned about
00:41:52.37\00:41:54.60
obviously your
cholesterol which is perhaps the
00:41:54.72\00:41:57.52
most important
indicator of how your heart
00:41:57.55\00:42:01.34
is doing and acting. So
at 171 that was actually
00:42:01.37\00:42:05.97
pretty good. He was
probably feeling pretty
00:42:06.00\00:42:08.20
good about is. We
like to see that at 160,
00:42:08.23\00:42:10.52
but you are almost
there. But then you come
00:42:10.55\00:42:12.97
in the CHIP program
and its down to 117,
00:42:13.00\00:42:17.00
I mean that's unheard
of it, this is what you
00:42:17.32\00:42:18.91
find in rural
population groups in China
00:42:18.94\00:42:22.21
where you don't
find artery disease. Yes.
00:42:22.27\00:42:24.10
So you know you are
turning into a healthy
00:42:24.13\00:42:26.09
Chinese right. Polish
Chinese. Polish Chinese
00:42:26.12\00:42:30.46
Its kind of funny
one. And the Cholesterol
00:42:30.49\00:42:34.36
lowering drugs, I
mean these drugs you spent
00:42:34.39\00:42:37.57
fifteen hundred
dollars a year easily on these
00:42:37.60\00:42:39.79
medications, a cut
back from significant dose
00:42:39.82\00:42:43.28
way back there.
What your physician say
00:42:43.31\00:42:46.23
when he saw 117,
was he kind of surprise?
00:42:46.26\00:42:49.14
Yes he was, he
was very surprised,
00:42:49.17\00:42:51.11
and I said hey why
didn't you talked to me
00:42:51.45\00:42:54.64
about eating the right
food. What is the matter,
00:42:54.67\00:42:57.05
I was kind of mad
at him, why didn't
00:42:57.08\00:42:59.49
you tell me this, what
is the matter with you guys.
00:42:59.52\00:43:01.48
And he said I
probably told you to quit
00:43:01.88\00:43:03.58
eating salt and
doing this stuff but would
00:43:03.61\00:43:05.22
you listen. He said
I only got five minutes
00:43:05.25\00:43:07.59
to tell you, and he
won't listen anyway so,
00:43:07.62\00:43:09.42
they don't have a
big program to do that
00:43:10.29\00:43:12.15
which is
surprising to me. But you know
00:43:12.18\00:43:14.95
this is also very
important point to make here,
00:43:14.98\00:43:16.98
you see the
dilemma of our condition.
00:43:17.01\00:43:19.06
You have ten minutes
time at best to diagnose
00:43:19.62\00:43:24.82
the match up with the
pill and sent you home
00:43:24.85\00:43:27.43
with a bill right,
ten minutes. Now really
00:43:27.46\00:43:29.58
and so that's one
thing against you,
00:43:30.16\00:43:32.93
there isn't much you can
really do in ten minutes.
00:43:33.12\00:43:36.28
Not really, not
really. And then secondly
00:43:36.39\00:43:38.38
whatever you can do
the guy doesn't listen.
00:43:38.81\00:43:42.05
I mean he told
him cut back on this,
00:43:43.47\00:43:45.49
cut back on your
salt, cut back on your meat,
00:43:45.52\00:43:47.31
but he said I
wasn't ready for it.
00:43:47.34\00:43:49.75
How did you get
ready then all of a sudden
00:43:50.22\00:43:52.36
you were listening
to the CHIP program.
00:43:52.39\00:43:54.50
Well I have no choice
and I needed the life,
00:43:54.78\00:43:56.99
I need to change
something because
00:43:57.02\00:43:58.26
I wasn't going to live
too long the way it felt.
00:43:58.29\00:44:00.17
Its pretty tough
shape, but CHIP told me,
00:44:00.63\00:44:03.50
or taught me what to eat right,
00:44:03.53\00:44:05.85
and what not eat is
may be the real thing
00:44:05.88\00:44:08.45
so it made a world of different.
00:44:08.48\00:44:10.64
It helped to be
practical, it helps you to apply
00:44:10.67\00:44:15.23
these concepts
in how you exercise,
00:44:15.26\00:44:18.01
how you handle
stress, and then how to
00:44:18.28\00:44:20.75
perhaps embrace a
simpler diet more foods
00:44:20.78\00:44:23.62
as grown that comes in nature,
00:44:23.65\00:44:25.10
plant based diets
perhaps. Yes, yes.
00:44:25.13\00:44:27.76
Eat the plant or eat
the food that come out
00:44:28.05\00:44:30.22
of the ground, not
processed stuff. Oh yeah,
00:44:30.25\00:44:32.64
that's the best way.
And may be at this point
00:44:33.04\00:44:36.48
in time it would be a
good opportunity for us
00:44:36.55\00:44:39.73
to see how Tom is
living because when he came
00:44:39.93\00:44:45.15
into the program it
was a huge challenge,
00:44:45.18\00:44:48.45
I felt it pretty lot
big bunch of pressure
00:44:48.48\00:44:51.35
on me because I didn't
knew if he was actually
00:44:51.38\00:44:55.26
going to make it
through the program or not.
00:44:55.29\00:44:56.85
We were staring at our
most challenging case yet.
00:44:56.88\00:45:01.59
But we have a photo
of Tom that I'd us like
00:45:02.81\00:45:05.87
to look at now,
and this is him after,
00:45:05.90\00:45:09.61
a year after
taking the CHIP class.
00:45:10.33\00:45:12.93
He is out there, he
is digging his garden
00:45:12.96\00:45:14.87
not using rototiller,
he is using his spade.
00:45:14.90\00:45:17.62
That is not a lazy
eighty year old man out there.
00:45:18.65\00:45:21.14
Exactly he is not,
not that he can do that
00:45:21.17\00:45:24.02
but instead of
someone digging your grave
00:45:24.05\00:45:26.00
you are digging your
garden. Now that is good.
00:45:26.03\00:45:31.63
That is a huge
difference because you know
00:45:31.66\00:45:33.48
that could have been
the story, we smile at that,
00:45:33.51\00:45:35.16
but that's where you
headed, had you not gone,
00:45:35.19\00:45:37.75
had you not had these changes.
00:45:37.78\00:45:39.14
The bypass has held
you over until you found
00:45:39.17\00:45:43.14
something that would
keep you, see there is a
00:45:43.17\00:45:46.51
process, the medical
process is get us from one
00:45:46.54\00:45:49.74
patch to other in many cases.
00:45:49.77\00:45:51.39
Not that we don't
need them, they are very
00:45:51.42\00:45:53.21
necessary. But how
to keep them going.
00:45:53.24\00:45:55.51
How to maintain them
afterwards is like a person
00:45:55.54\00:45:57.97
getting a brand
new set of tires,
00:45:58.00\00:45:59.30
and he screeches and
burns them as he leaves
00:45:59.33\00:46:02.20
the tyre shop. In a
very same way you kind of
00:46:02.23\00:46:04.98
left the hospital
burning your tyres with
00:46:05.30\00:46:07.95
the streak, and the
butter and all the potatoes,
00:46:07.98\00:46:10.88
pretty much why
potatoes and meat
00:46:10.91\00:46:13.93
all that stuff
didn't really make an impact
00:46:14.14\00:46:16.64
on the way that your
body could respond to this
00:46:16.67\00:46:18.88
new medical
procedure. But the CHIP program
00:46:18.91\00:46:21.42
the Coronary
Health Improvement project
00:46:21.45\00:46:23.96
is something that's
keeping you alive today
00:46:23.99\00:46:26.09
because you said a moment ago,
00:46:26.12\00:46:27.91
its how the food
comes out of the ground,
00:46:27.94\00:46:29.56
the best medicine I
have to see this is produced
00:46:30.07\00:46:34.33
not in a chemical
lab but in the ground
00:46:34.36\00:46:37.14
when God put it
there. Yes. Now I think
00:46:37.17\00:46:40.99
if I am seeing this
correctly cholesterol
00:46:41.02\00:46:42.58
is all about 114 now
and your LDLs which is the
00:46:42.61\00:46:47.72
bad cholesterol is down to 65,
00:46:47.75\00:46:50.01
that's a huge
improvement. That was about half
00:46:50.04\00:46:52.67
what I started with
the program that's half,
00:46:52.70\00:46:55.64
unbelievable I mean
in even in four weeks
00:46:56.23\00:46:58.95
that amazes me. I used
to carry that paper around
00:46:58.98\00:47:01.68
that I got a
graduation, you know they give
00:47:01.71\00:47:04.00
a list because we
do a blood screening
00:47:04.03\00:47:06.30
at the beginning and
the end, and we have,
00:47:06.33\00:47:09.82
they give a chart of
it, and I used to carry
00:47:09.85\00:47:12.03
that list around of
my lower cholesterol
00:47:12.06\00:47:14.40
and show it off, I had
like three copies I kept
00:47:14.43\00:47:18.52
bringing them out
but its amazing to me.
00:47:18.55\00:47:21.16
Well that made a
world of difference.
00:47:21.26\00:47:22.94
That has been really
rewarding for you too right.
00:47:22.97\00:47:25.44
I will tell you, I
was really relieved when
00:47:26.43\00:47:29.37
I saw his numbers
coming down with that
00:47:29.53\00:47:32.53
second heart screen
and I just had a sense
00:47:32.56\00:47:36.01
I could almost
visualize some of the plague
00:47:36.68\00:47:40.26
melting away
from his vessels even
00:47:40.50\00:47:43.28
in that shorter
period of time because
00:47:43.31\00:47:45.54
I really want it. This
guy he is our neighbor,
00:47:45.57\00:47:48.76
I hadn't met him, he
lives across the river,
00:47:48.79\00:47:51.48
my boys have talked
about him, but I met him
00:47:51.51\00:47:54.54
at CHIP and suddenly
you have this bonding
00:47:54.57\00:47:57.52
and you want them
to do really well.
00:47:57.55\00:48:00.29
You have invested
yourself also emotionally
00:48:00.71\00:48:03.34
you know you can see the warmth,
00:48:03.37\00:48:05.16
and the caring that
you find in the Director
00:48:05.19\00:48:07.82
of CHIP program. This
is what is so important
00:48:07.85\00:48:10.77
that people respond
to that and of course
00:48:10.80\00:48:13.09
you also found
that his blood pressure
00:48:13.12\00:48:14.64
was coming down
right. Yes. Remember it was
00:48:14.67\00:48:16.87
sky high for twenty
years, probably one of the main
00:48:16.90\00:48:19.81
contributors to
the heart disease,
00:48:19.84\00:48:21.25
and now did I hear you
right that your physician
00:48:21.28\00:48:24.40
was able to
reduce the medication for
00:48:24.43\00:48:26.71
blood pressure. Yes,
I take a lot of pills
00:48:26.74\00:48:29.54
but I know last
winter he just threw one pill
00:48:29.57\00:48:32.84
away but we have been
having it reduced quite
00:48:32.87\00:48:35.81
a bit so. We are getting
to zero hopefully one day,
00:48:35.84\00:48:38.64
that where I am
pushing for, but he is doing
00:48:38.97\00:48:41.63
it very gradual,
you know he has taken
00:48:41.66\00:48:44.10
his time because you
know if I go off the vegan
00:48:44.13\00:48:46.49
or whatever they want
to call it but he should,
00:48:46.52\00:48:48.86
its coming. But he
wants to be assured that
00:48:49.80\00:48:52.58
you are consistent in
your lifestyle. Right.
00:48:52.61\00:48:55.47
And I think with
your neighbor watching
00:48:55.50\00:48:57.85
everything you have
no choice right. Yes.
00:48:57.88\00:48:59.92
And her boys are watching
me. Yeah accountability.
00:49:00.15\00:49:02.36
Yes accountability,
yeah I have no choice.
00:49:02.39\00:49:04.54
It does make a
difference and in the change
00:49:04.57\00:49:05.95
of lifestyle we had
a person that joined
00:49:05.98\00:49:08.07
our church here.
When that person came
00:49:08.10\00:49:10.21
they were on about
eight different medications,
00:49:10.36\00:49:12.63
and someone
introduced them to the plant
00:49:12.74\00:49:14.92
based diet, and
just recently that person
00:49:14.95\00:49:18.22
he had quadruple
bypass, but the doctor
00:49:18.63\00:49:22.07
said, had they not
made those changes,
00:49:22.10\00:49:24.57
they would not have
survived that surgery.
00:49:24.60\00:49:27.02
And the doctor said
wow I mean outside of
00:49:27.16\00:49:29.88
clearing off what
needs to be cleared out,
00:49:30.07\00:49:31.77
what have you done
knowing that person
00:49:32.04\00:49:34.47
history to come to
the place that you are
00:49:34.50\00:49:37.16
and they say it's
the change in the diet.
00:49:37.19\00:49:39.21
And lot of people
think that is some major
00:49:39.40\00:49:41.64
adjustment that I have
to make in my medicine,
00:49:42.02\00:49:44.28
but in fact is
simple change. You can spend
00:49:44.31\00:49:46.80
money on one thing
or you can spend money
00:49:46.83\00:49:49.46
on something all
together different.
00:49:49.49\00:49:50.85
It is the power of
the plate. It can become
00:49:51.23\00:49:57.20
your friend helping
you or it can become
00:49:57.23\00:49:59.85
your worst enemy. Yes,
so, that what you put into
00:49:59.88\00:50:03.43
that refrigerator, what
you put into that shopping
00:50:03.46\00:50:06.38
cart when you go
shopping. You know
00:50:06.41\00:50:08.60
you want really be
very selective in putting
00:50:08.63\00:50:12.51
the best food in.
You know we talked about
00:50:12.54\00:50:14.67
that one time that the
best food probably is food
00:50:14.70\00:50:17.61
that doesn't have a
nutrition label on it.
00:50:17.64\00:50:20.50
I've been saying that
the people don't understand
00:50:22.06\00:50:24.39
what I mean until I
hold the apple up. Oh I see.
00:50:24.42\00:50:26.67
You know they
understand that now,
00:50:26.70\00:50:27.99
so we really get into
the apples, the oranges,
00:50:28.02\00:50:29.94
the fruits, the pears
in, and all that because
00:50:29.97\00:50:31.93
that's the best thing
if it doesn't have to be
00:50:31.96\00:50:34.07
advertised as what
the nutrition value is
00:50:34.10\00:50:36.26
and its usually a safe,
and that is the natural safe.
00:50:36.51\00:50:40.67
That you see when
you a processed food
00:50:40.70\00:50:43.21
you change the
diet composition of that
00:50:43.90\00:50:46.08
original food and so
the Government requires
00:50:46.11\00:50:48.90
you to have a
nutrition analysis on that,
00:50:48.93\00:50:51.11
its either that or
you have to have a safety
00:50:51.14\00:50:54.52
seal on there. For
instance with meat,
00:50:55.14\00:50:56.88
you may not have
nutrition label on there,
00:50:56.99\00:50:59.42
but you have a
safety seal on there,
00:50:59.45\00:51:01.37
it says be careful
to this, this, this,
00:51:01.40\00:51:03.74
and so what we have
found is as you begin
00:51:03.77\00:51:06.75
to shift more
towards food that don't need
00:51:06.78\00:51:08.80
a nutrition label or
safety level you are usually
00:51:08.83\00:51:11.95
on the right
program, lots of vegetables,
00:51:11.98\00:51:15.17
lots of fruits, lots
of whole grains right,
00:51:15.20\00:51:18.86
lots of legumes beans
and so on, may be few nuts.
00:51:18.97\00:51:22.19
These are the kind
of food that actually
00:51:22.22\00:51:24.33
come out of the hand
of the master designer
00:51:24.36\00:51:26.54
and its amazing how
these foods work for us.
00:51:26.93\00:51:31.25
You know Tom you
had a great testimony
00:51:31.43\00:51:33.29
but I also go to the
lady Dawn Melvi who is calling
00:51:33.32\00:51:36.56
in from Spearfish,
South Dakota to tell us
00:51:36.59\00:51:40.54
her story about how
the CHIP program has made
00:51:40.57\00:51:42.70
a difference in her
life. And I think it would be
00:51:42.73\00:51:45.46
nice if we brought up
the photo of Dawn Melvie
00:51:45.49\00:51:48.71
and we are
actually seeing her here
00:51:48.81\00:51:51.92
and tonight she is visiting in
00:51:52.12\00:51:54.96
Thief River Falls.
Okay. Where we are from,
00:51:54.99\00:51:57.59
so she is actually going
to be speaking to us from
00:51:57.62\00:52:00.52
there but we have it
before and after picture
00:52:00.55\00:52:04.36
of Dawn Melvie. Don
are you there. Yes I am.
00:52:04.39\00:52:08.47
Okay welcome to
our Thursday night live
00:52:08.65\00:52:11.40
here in 3ABN. It's
so good to have you.
00:52:11.43\00:52:14.76
Hans I want to have
you lead into talking with
00:52:15.58\00:52:19.18
Dawn and kind of
have tell us her story.
00:52:19.21\00:52:21.17
Oh welcome, so
delighted to know that you have
00:52:21.20\00:52:25.61
done very, very
well. Tell us why you came
00:52:25.64\00:52:28.56
into the CHIP
program? What were the reasons?
00:52:28.59\00:52:30.65
Okay, I was diagnosed
with high blood pressure
00:52:31.46\00:52:36.68
and it was probably
2003 and I tried one
00:52:37.35\00:52:46.86
dietician and it
made me so busy I thought
00:52:46.89\00:52:50.47
this for the word, and it wasn't
00:52:50.50\00:52:55.35
that bad, so I
thought okay I will just wait
00:52:55.38\00:52:58.37
and slowly my blood
pressure creeped higher
00:52:59.00\00:53:02.52
and it was
probably over 140 over 90,
00:53:03.40\00:53:07.64
and my doctor
advised me on a beta-blocker.
00:53:08.53\00:53:12.31
I took it for three
years and I tolerated it okay,
00:53:13.28\00:53:19.68
I didn't feel
quite right but it really
00:53:19.71\00:53:22.69
didn't help my blood pressure.
00:53:22.72\00:53:23.93
My pulse came down,
but my blood pressure
00:53:24.72\00:53:28.17
kept going
higher. So when I got to
00:53:28.20\00:53:33.43
160 over 100, I had
to try something else.
00:53:33.46\00:53:37.79
So that began my
quest for a blood pressure
00:53:39.17\00:53:42.51
medication that I
found, I could not tolerated
00:53:42.54\00:53:47.81
anything I tried, and
for some of them I tried
00:53:47.84\00:53:54.01
for a two week
and some for a month
00:53:54.04\00:53:57.54
and some for two
months and I can't tell you
00:53:58.24\00:54:01.83
the array of
side effects I have.
00:54:01.86\00:54:05.08
I was working
full time as a nurse,
00:54:06.00\00:54:09.29
and I saw many days
difficult to get through.
00:54:10.60\00:54:13.93
I had such terrible symptoms
like pounding heart rate
00:54:14.94\00:54:20.04
and that was
something a Beta-blockers,
00:54:20.45\00:54:22.42
and the doctors were
all skeptical, no, no,
00:54:23.14\00:54:27.48
you wouldn't get that
from beta blocker. Wow,
00:54:27.51\00:54:30.53
that's amazing. But
then he increased my dose,
00:54:30.56\00:54:34.15
he doubled it and
it was even worse,
00:54:34.26\00:54:36.53
so I knew it was from
that medication. Okay, Dawn,
00:54:36.97\00:54:41.90
But I tried many
different things. Yeah,
00:54:41.93\00:54:45.46
so Dawn as a nurse you
tried several medications
00:54:45.62\00:54:49.12
to get your blood
pressure under control
00:54:49.15\00:54:50.78
and side effects. Yes.
We are really not giving
00:54:50.96\00:54:56.13
you a chance to carry
out your work anymore.
00:54:56.16\00:54:58.39
It was very difficult,
so then you come to CHIP,
00:54:58.42\00:55:00.98
and what happened
after the four week
00:55:01.01\00:55:02.63
CHIP program, what
happened since then.
00:55:02.66\00:55:04.04
Okay, I had seen
an article about CHIP
00:55:04.94\00:55:09.11
in the newspaper and I
have that in back of my
00:55:09.59\00:55:13.71
mind call Marilyne
Sayler because the last
00:55:13.74\00:55:17.24
medication they
tried, it was my fourteenth
00:55:17.27\00:55:20.61
or fifteenth medication.
And it made me feel so sick
00:55:20.64\00:55:24.94
and I taught informational
session of CHIP that's
00:55:26.09\00:55:31.46
going to be beginning,
and it was like an answer
00:55:31.49\00:55:34.38
to prayer. So, I went to
the informational session
00:55:34.41\00:55:38.71
and I thought I
have nothing to loose.
00:55:38.98\00:55:41.10
Well, Dawn let me
here break in just a brief
00:55:41.59\00:55:44.68
moment. We've got two
minutes before the first
00:55:44.71\00:55:46.38
hour of our
program is done summarize
00:55:46.41\00:55:48.64
in a statement what
changes in about next
00:55:48.67\00:55:51.74
thirty seconds have
to come to you a result
00:55:51.77\00:55:53.61
of the CHIP program.
Well, I no longer taking
00:55:53.64\00:55:58.94
anything else for blood
pressure. On my goodness,
00:55:58.97\00:56:01.36
that's amazing. Yes
and I, I did lose some
00:56:01.39\00:56:06.22
thirty pounds. Wow. And
I think most of that had
00:56:06.25\00:56:10.14
to do with sodium,
eating a plant based diet,
00:56:10.17\00:56:15.23
and exercising everyday
and drinking lots of water
00:56:15.99\00:56:20.46
has brought my
blood pressure down.
00:56:21.38\00:56:23.49
Wow, I tell you that
makes the difference,
00:56:24.23\00:56:26.71
I thank you for
calling in, I mean that's a
00:56:26.74\00:56:29.12
tremendous story
continue blessing and success
00:56:29.15\00:56:32.58
to you as you
continue on the CHIP program
00:56:32.61\00:56:34.49
and thank you so
much Dawn for sharing
00:56:34.52\00:56:37.36
that with us. Thank
you. Appreciating very,
00:56:37.39\00:56:38.73
very much. Oh you are welcome.
00:56:38.76\00:56:40.70
You know friends
as you can see as
00:56:41.02\00:56:42.52
we are coming
down to the first hour.
00:56:42.55\00:56:44.16
This book ''Your
Turn'' is vitally important
00:56:44.52\00:56:47.44
for you to have
because what Dawn has talked
00:56:47.47\00:56:49.24
about, well Tom is
testified about is in this
00:56:49.27\00:56:52.25
book where you can get started,
00:56:52.28\00:56:53.95
and then if a CHIP
program comes to your area,
00:56:53.98\00:56:56.71
you can find
out more about that,
00:56:57.01\00:56:58.39
and but don't go away
more for the second hour.
00:56:59.26\00:57:02.26
Once again if you
call at 618-627-4651
00:57:02.47\00:57:07.52
or freeoffer@3ABN.org
for a copy of your free book.
00:57:07.55\00:57:12.89
How to reverse, these
diseases, have to change
00:57:12.92\00:57:15.77
your lifestyle, how
to become the healthier
00:57:15.80\00:57:18.19
and happier person, and
I've discovered that the
00:57:18.22\00:57:20.59
word tough when Tom
kept using. I thought
00:57:20.62\00:57:23.01
they meant good.
But he actually admit
00:57:23.04\00:57:25.37
his life was tough,
so if you want to go from
00:57:25.40\00:57:28.06
a tough life to a
great life and a easy life
00:57:28.09\00:57:30.65
you want to stay tune
for for the second half
00:57:30.68\00:57:32.50
of the program
where Dr. Hans Diehl
00:57:32.53\00:57:35.01
and nurse Marilyne is
also going to talk about
00:57:35.48\00:57:38.61
how these changes
can make a difference
00:57:38.76\00:57:40.74
in your life. Don't go away,
00:57:40.77\00:57:42.31
we will be right back
in just a few moments.
00:57:42.44\00:57:45.27