Participants: Shelley Quinn (Host), Steve Wohlberg
Series Code: TL
Program Code: TL017540A
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00:01 ♪ I WANT TO SPEND MY LIFE ♪ ♪ SPEND MY LIFE ♪
00:07 ♪ MENDING BROKEN PEOPLE ♪ ♪ I WANT TO SPEND MY LIFE ♪ 00:18 ♪ REMOVING PAIN ♪ ♪ LORD, LET MY WORDS ♪ 00:27 ♪ LET MY WORDS ♪ ♪ HEAL UP HEARTS THAT HURT ♪ 00:34 ♪ I WANT TO SPEND MY LIFE ♪ ♪ MENDING BROKEN PEOPLE ♪ 00:45 ♪ I WANT TO SPEND MY LIFE ♪ ♪ MENDING BROKEN PEOPLE ♪ 01:05 >> HELLO AND WELCOME TO 3ABN "TODAY LIVE." 01:10 WE'RE COMING TO YOU LIVE FROM STUDIO A RIGHT HERE IN 01:14 THOMPSONVILLE, ILLINOIS, AND TONIGHT WE HAVE A VERY SERIOUS 01:18 TOPIC, BUT A VERY INTERESTING TOPIC, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT 01:22 WE NEED TO HEAR. WE'RE GOING TO TALK TONIGHT 01:26 ABOUT THE 500-YEARS FROM LUTHER, AND THE FINAL -- EARTH'S FINAL 01:34 CRISIS, WHAT IS COMING UP. YOU KNOW, IT'S AMAZING TO ME TO 01:39 THINK THAT OVER -- NEARLY 500 YEARS AGO, OCTOBER 31ST, 1517, 01:46 MARTIN LUTHER NAILED HIS 95 THREE ADVERTISE ABOUT -- WHAT HE 01:49 WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE ABUSES OF THE CHURCH, TO THE DOOR OF 01:55 THE WHITTENBERG CHURCH, AND HE WEREN'T REALIZE WHAT HE WAS 02:00 STARTING, AND IT SPREAD LIKE WILDFIRE, BUT WHA WE'RE SEEING 02:06 TODAY IS THE ECUMENICAL MOVEMENT WOULD BEGIN. 02:17 LET ME INTRODUCE MY SPECIAL GUEST. 02:21 PASTOR STEVE WOHLBERG, WHO IS THE SPOKER, DIRECTOR OF WHITE 02:27 HORSE MEDIA. WELCOME TO 3ABN "TODAY LIVE." 02:30 >> THANK YOU. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE 02:33 DONE A LIVE SHOW TOGETHER. SO I'M THRILLED. 02:36 >> THAT'S RIGHT. I WANTED TO OPEN UP TONIGHT WITH 02:39 A SCRIPTURE THAT YOU WILL SEE WHY IN A LITTLE WHILE. 02:44 IT COMES FROM 2 CORINTHIANS 11:14-15. 02:53 AND PAUL IS TALKING ABOUT WORKER WHO TRANSFORM THEMSELVES INTO 02:59 THE APOSTLES OF CHRIST. AND HE SAYS, FOR NO WONNER, 03:05 THEREFORE IT IS NO GREAT THING IF HIS MINISTERS ALSO TRANSFORM 03:09 THEMSELVES INTO MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHO'S END WILL BE 03:15 ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS. THAT'S A POWERFUL STATEMENT. 03:19 IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL UNPACK IN A LITTLE WHIE. 03:22 BEFORE WE BEGIN, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT -- FIRST, I JUST WANT TO 03:27 SAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR 03:29 PRAYERS AND YOUR LOVE AND YOUR FINANCIAL SUPPORT OF 3ABN. 03:32 BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME MUSIC FIRST, AND THIS WILL KIND 03:36 OF GET US GOING. IT'S SOMEBODY WHO IS VERY NEAR 03:41 AND DEAR TO MY HEART, TAMMY CHANCE. 03:44 THAT'S DANNY'S SISTER, SHE IS THE BEST THING THAT CAE OUT OF 03:50 THE SHELTON FAMILY. AND SHE HAS A PURE VOICE, AND 03:53 SHE HAS ALWAYS USED IT FOR THE LORD. 03:56 SHE IS GOING TO SWING FOR US, "HE WILL CARRY YOU." 03:59 ♪ 04:10 ♪ THERE IS NO PROBLEM TOO BIG ♪ ♪ GOD CANNOT SOLVE IT ♪ 04:19 ♪ THERE IS NO MOUNTAIN TOO TALL ♪ 04:23 ♪ HE CANNOT MOVE IT ♪ ♪ AND THERE IS NO STORM TOO 04:35 DARK, GOD CANNOT CALM IT ♪ ♪ THERE IS NO SORROW TOO DEEP, 04:43 HE CANNOT SOOTHE IT ♪ ♪ HE CAN CARRY THE WEIGHT OF THE 04:54 WORLD, UPON HIS SHOULDERS ♪ ♪ OH, OH, ♪ 04:58 ♪ I KNOW MY BROTHER THAT HE WILL CARRY YOU ♪ 05:07 ♪ IF HE CARRIES THE WEIGHT OF THE WORLD UPON HIS SHOULDERS ♪ 05:15 ♪ OH, OH, OH ♪ ♪ I KNOW MY SISTER THAT HE WILL 05:21 CARRY YOU ♪ ♪ HE SAID COME TO ME ♪ 05:38 ♪ AND I WILL GIVE YOU REST ♪ ♪ OOOOOOOOOH ♪ 06:02 ♪ THERE IS NO PROBLEM TOO BIG GOD CANNOT SOLVE IT ♪ 06:14 ♪ THERE IS NO MOUNTAIN TOO TALL HE CANNOT MOVE IT ♪ 06:23 ♪ AND THERE IS NO STORM TOO DARK, GOD CANNOT CALM IT ♪ 06:33 ♪ THERE IS NO SORROW TOO DEEP HE CANNOT SOOTHE IT ♪ 06:41 ♪ IF HE CARRIES THE WEIGHT OF THE WORLD UPON HIS SHOULDERS ♪ 06:51 ♪ OH, OH ♪ ♪ I KNOW MY BROTHER THAT HE WILL 06:57 CARRY YOU ♪ ♪ IF HE CARRIES THE WEIGHT OF -THE WORLD UPON HIS SHOULDERS ♪ 07:11 ♪ OH, OH ♪ ♪ I KNOW MY SISTER THAT HE WILL 07:17 CARRY YOU ♪ ♪ I KNOW MY BROTHER, I KNOW MY 07:30 SISTER, I KNOW THAT HE WILL CARRY ME THROUGH ♪ 07:44 ♪ HE WILL CARRY YOU ♪ 07:57 >> BEAUTIFUL SONG. PURE VOICE FROM A PURE HEART. 08:00 THAT WAS TAMMY CHANCE. WELL, IF YOU ARE JUST JOINING 08:04 US, OUR SPECIAL GUEST TONIGHT IS PASTOR STEVE WOHLBERG WHO IS THE 08:09 SPEAKER DIRECTOR OF WHITE HORSE MEDIA, AND THIS IS LIVE. 08:12 WE DEBATED DIDN'T WE, STEVE, WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD TAKE 08:16 QUESTIONS TONIGHT, BUT IF WE HAD SAID YES, HAD YOU CALLING IN, WE 08:20 WOULD HAVE PROBABLY ONLY GOTTEN TO TWO OR THREE QUESTIONS, 08:25 BECAUSE HE CAME ARMED WITH A LOT OF INFORMATION, SO IT'S GOING TO 08:29 BE A FAST-PACED PROGRAM AND IT IS GOING TO BE EXCITING. 08:33 WE DO NOT HAVE FREE OFFER TONIGHT, BUT WHITE HORSE MEDIA 08:37 IS MAKING A SPECIAL OFFER, AND THERE ARE FIVE OF THEIR 08:43 POCKETBOOKS, I GUESS WE WOULD CALL IT -- 08:45 >> CORRECT. >> FOR THE 500-YEAR OF THE 08:51 REFORMATION. 5 BOOKS FOR $5, PLUS THE BONUS 08:54 BOOK. YOU ACTUALLY WROTE THIS LAST ONE 09:08 WHEN -- AT -- BEFORE, WHEN WE INVITED YOU TO DO CAMP MEETING, 09:13 EXPOSING THE COUNTERFEIT STEVE DID A SERMON ON IS GOD'S CHURCH 09:19 BUILT ON THEATER? AND THAT'S WHEN YOU WROTE THAT. 09:23 SO WE'LL TELL YOU HOW TO GET THOSE LATER ON IN THE HOUR. 09:28 STEVE, BEFORE WE GET INTO OUR SUBJECT, CATCH US UP ON THE 09:32 FAMILY. >> SURE, IF WE CAN PUT THE SLIDE 09:35 ON THE SCREEN OF MY SON SETH, AND MY DAUGHTER, I'M THILLED TO 09:40 ANNOUNCE THAT SETH WAS BAPTIZED LAST SUMMER. 09:43 >> HOW OLD IS HE? >> HE IS 13. 09:46 >> UNBELIEVABLE. >> AND KRISTEN WAS IN THE 09:50 BACKGROUND. SHE PREFERS TO KEEP A LOW 09:54 PROFILE. BUT THE LORD HAS BEEN SO GOOD TO 09:56 ME AND MY FAMILY. AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW EXCITED 10:00 THIS FATHER'S HEART WAS TO GO INTO THE WATER AND BAPTIZE SETH. 10:05 AND GOD HAS JUST BEEN SO GOOD TO US. 10:08 >> HE HAS. I REMEMBER WHEN WE FIRST MET, IT 10:11 WAS 2002. I WASN'T NET A MEMBER OF THE 10:14 ADVENTIST CHURCH, BUT IT WAS ATTENDING AN ADVENTIST CHURCH, 10:19 AND I ATTENDED, SEVEN, EIGHT MONTHS BEFORE I JOINED. 10:22 AND WHEN YOU AND KRISTEN WERE NEWLY MARRIED, NO CHILDREN, AND 10:27 SO IT WAS -- I HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WATCHING STEVE'S 10:32 FAMILY GROW AND JUST Y'ALL WERE MEANT FOR EACH OTHER. 10:36 GOD BROUGHT YOU TOGETHER NO DOUBT. 10:37 >> AMEN. >> TELL US WHAT IS GOING ON AT 10:40 WHITE HORSE MEDIA. >> THERE'S TOO MUCH TO TELL, BUT 10:43 I'LL GIVE YOU A SHRT VERSION. WE'RE LIVE AND WELL. 10:46 WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. WE HAVE A TEAM OF FOUR ASSOCIATE 10:50 SPEAKERS, INCLUDING ME -- OR IN ADDITION TO ME, TO HELP FIELD 10:54 ALL OF THE SPEAKING REQUESTS THAT WE GET. 10:56 >> WONDERFUL. >> WE JUST HAD A TEAM COME BACK 11:01 FROM INN -- INDIA, TRAINING PASTORS AND THEIR WIVES, AND 11:06 THERE IS ANOTHER OUTREACH BEING PLANNED IN AN UNDISCLOSED 11:11 LOCATION IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND WE HAVE ALSO BEEN ASKED TO COURT 11:16 NATE AN OUTREACH OF 18 DIFFERENT SEMINARS IN THE PHILIPPINES 11:22 COMING UP IN 2018. AND THAT'S JUST A FEW OF OUR 11:26 PROJECTS. WE HAVE BOOKS ON THE HORIZON. 11:29 WE HAVE A WEBINAR. WE JUST DID A WEBINAR ON ALL OF 11:33 THE DISASTERS. >> WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT 11:35 IN THE SECOND HOUR. >> YEAH, AND GOD IS GOOD THAT 11:39 THE MINISTRY IS STILL GOING FORWARD IN FAITH AND IN JESUS 11:44 AND HIS POWER. >> I KNOW YOU HAVE A VERY HECTIC-SCHEDULE, AND IT KIND OF CAUGHT 11:52 UP WITH YOU. TELL US ABOUT THAT. 11:54 >> YEAH, THIS IS GOING TO BE THE REAL SHORT VERSION. 11:58 ACTUALLY THE STORY IS ON THE HOME PAGE OF OUR WEBSITE, 12:05 WHITEHORSEMEDIA.COM. AND I GAVE A TALK ON THIS A 12:07 COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, I ENTITLED MY TALK "I CAN'T SLEEP, MY 12:15 CRISIS, GOD'S VICTORY." AND THIS WAS THE WORST SUMMER IN 12:22 MY LIFE FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. 12:25 AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING. 12:26 IN JUNE SHORTLY AFTER THE CAMP MEETING WHEN I SPOKE HERE 12:34 COUNTERING THE COUNTERFEIT, I STARTED HAVING SLEEPING ISSUES, 12:38 AND I LOST MY ABILITY TO GET A GOOD NIGHT'S SLEEP, AND THINGS 12:42 GOT WORSE AND WORSE, AND STARTED OUT WITH TYLENOL, AND THEN A LOT 12:50 OF MELATONIN, AND THERE SOME OTHER SLEEPING PILLS. 12:57 AND I WENT INTO A TAILSPIN. I ACTUALLY WENT FOUR DAYS IN A 13:02 ROW WITHOUT SLEEPING AT ALL. >> SLEEP DEPRIVATION -- 13:10 >> MY LIFE WAS FALLING APART. THE MEDICATIONS THAT I WAS ON 13:14 WERE LEADING TO DEPRESSION, AND TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, GOD 13:22 OPENED UP A MIRACULOUS ABILITY FOR ME TO JOIN A DEPRESSION 13:31 PROGRAM. AND I SPENT THREE WEEKS THERE. 13:33 AND A SERIES OF BLOOD TESTS WERE DONE. 13:35 AND THE DOCTOR LOOKED AT THE RESULTS FROM THE LAB, AND MY 13:39 BRAIN CHEMISTRY, WHICH WAS REALLY OUT OF WHACK, AND HE 13:43 RECOMMENDED DIFFERENT SUPPLEMENTS FOR MY HEAD, TO 13:46 BALANCE ME OUT, AND -- PLUS -- THE EIGHT LAWS OF 13:51 HEALTH, IT'S A VERY RIGOROUS PROGRAM AT WEMAR, AND I DON'T 13:59 HAVE TIME TO TELL YOU. TH 14:04 TH THEORY STORY IS ON OUR WEBSITE. 14:07 BUT I FELT HOPELESS. I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE GOD LOVED ME. 14:11 I FELT LIKE MY FUTURE WAS DARK. I STARTED HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS 14:19 HAPPENING IN MY HEAD. BUT BY THE GRACE IN GOD, I HELD 14:25 ON TO MY FAITH IN JESUS. >> AMEN. 14:27 >> AND WHEN I CAME BACK FROM WEMAR, THE DOCTOR HELPED WEAN ME 14:33 OFF OF THE REST OF THE SLEEP MEDICATIONS, AND THEN ABOUT TWO 14:39 WEEKS LATER, ONE DAY I WOKE UP, AND IT WAS ALL OVER. 14:42 IT WAS GONE. AND THAT WAS ABOUT A MONTH AGO. 14:45 AND SINCE THEN I HAVE BEEN PREACHING AND TRAVELING, BACK ON 14:50 THE SADDLE, AND THE LORD HAS TAUGHT ME SO MANY THINGS. 14:53 HE IS POWERFUL, HIS GRACE IS SUFFICIENT, EVEN WHEN YOU THINK 15:00 IT'S HOPELESS, IT'S A LIE FROM THE ENEMY, AND THERE IS NOTHING 15:06 THAT GOD CAN'T BRING US THROUGH IF WE TRUST IN HIM AND IN HIS 15:10 LOVE. >> AND YOU -- I'M SO PROUD OF 15:12 YOU FOR COMING FORWARD TO TALK ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE SOMETIMES 15:16 WHEN PEOPLE GO THROUGH ANXIETY ATTACKS THAT THEY GO THROUGH, 15:20 DEPRESSION, I THINK PEOPLE WORRY THAT THERE IS A SOCIAL STIGMA 15:24 ATTACHED TO THAT, AND THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT IT OFTEN, OFTEN DON'T 15:28 EVEN REACH OUT FOR HELP, AND I'M SO GLAD THAT YOU ARE BEING 15:33 TRANSPARENT ABOUT THIS, TO SHOW GOD'S VICTORY AND WHAT HE HAS 15:36 DONE IN YOUR LIFE, BUT I HOPE YOU ARE GOING TO WRITE A BOOK ON 15:41 THIS. >> I THINK I WILL. 15:42 I DEBATED WHETHER I SHOULD SHARE IT, BUT GOD OPENED UP THE DOOR 15:47 TO SHARE IT IN MY CHURCH, AND WHEN I WAS DONE THE RESPONSE WAS 15:53 OVERWHELMINGLY POSITIVE. AND IT CONFIRMED IN ME, THAT IF 15:56 I SHARE THIS STORY AND LIFT UP JESUS AND TRY TO BRING HOPE TO 16:01 THE HOPELESS THAT GOD CAN USE IT TO HELP OTHERS. 16:04 >> AMEN. >> SO THAT'S WHAT IT IS ALL 16:07 ABOUT. BUT ANYWAY THAT'S THE SHORT 16:09 VERSION OF MY DIFFICULT SUMMER. >> I KNOW WE ALREADY PRAYED, BUT 16:14 I FEEL A NEED FOR US TO PRAY AGAIN, IF YOU WOUD, PLEASE, 16:17 BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS TOPIC. >> YES, FOR SURE. 16:20 DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN THANK YOU SO MUCH THAT I'M HERE, THAT YOU 16:24 HAVE BROUGHT ME THROUGH THE TRIALS OF MY LIFE, THAT YOU ARE 16:27 STILL WITH ME, THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO BLESS. 16:30 WE PRAY THAT YOU WILL BLESS THE TIME THAT WE SPEND HERE RIGHT 16:34 NOW IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. >> AMEN. 16:36 AS YOU WERE PRAYING, I WAS THINKING OF MICAH 7:8 -- 16:42 >> REJOICE NOT AGAINST ME. >> YES, IF I FALL I WILL -- 16:46 >> THAT IS MY TEXT. >> AMEN. 16:48 >> ACTUALLY IT'S RIGHT ON OUR WEBSITE. 16:51 THAT VERY VERSE. WHEN I SIT IN DARKNESS, THE LORD 16:54 WILL BE A LIGHT TO ME. >> AMEN. 16:57 HE ALWAYS IS. >> ALL RIGHT. 16:59 LET'S TALK ABOUT LUTHER. WE HAVE A LOT TO DO. 17:02 I JUST BROUGHT A FEW MAGAZINES HERE JUST TO SHOW YOU. 17:06 THIS IS THE 500-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE BANG BANG BANG ON THE 17:11 DOOR OF THE WHITTENBERG CASTLE CHURCH, AND ALL KINDS OF NEWS 17:17 AGENCIES ARE REMEMBERING AND TALKING ABOUT THIS. 17:20 MY SON READS -- AND MY DAUGHTER DOES TOO. 17:23 GUIDE MAGAZINE. HERE ARE THREE ISSUES IN A ROW 17:26 ABOUT LUTHER. HERE ARE SIGNS OF THE TIME 17:30 MARTIN LUTHER. THIS IS ADVENTIST WORLD, 17:35 OCTOBER 2017, A REFORMATION JOURNEY. 17:39 AND LIBERTY MAGAZINE, SO THIS IS JUST A SAMPLE THAT PEOPLE ARE 17:43 TALKING ABOUT THIS ALL OVER THE WORLD, AND WE WANT TO GO BACK TO 17:49 THAT DAY AND TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE CONTEXT OF HOW -- HOW 17:52 IT HAPPENED, AND WHAT THE ISSUES ARE, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO 17:57 FAST FORWARD TO OUR DAY, AND TALK ABOUT THE CONTINUATION OF 18:01 THE REFORMATION ESPECIALLY DURING THE FINAL SCENES OF 18:05 EARTH'S HISTORY. >> IT'S SO IMPORTANT, AND WE 18:08 NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS MORE THAN JUST ON THE 500TH 18:12 ANNIVERSARY, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES IF I'M SPEAKING WITH 18:15 PEOPLE, IF I MENTION THAT I'M A SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST, AND THEY 18:20 SAID WHAT IS THAT? I SAY WE'RE PROTESTANTS. 18:24 AND THEY SAY I THINK I'M A PROTESTANT TOO, I'M A BAPTIST, 18:29 BUT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT PROTESTANT MEANS, AND BECAUSE 18:34 PEOPLE ARE NOT EDUCATED ON THE PROTESTANT REFORMATION, WE ARE 18:39 PUTTING OURSELVES IN JEOPARDY TO HAVE THAT REFORMATION REVERSED. 18:44 LET'S TALK ABOUT THE MONK, MARTIN LUTHER, HIS LIFE, HIS 18:48 LOVE FOR THE CHURCH, AND HOW GOD LEAD HIM. 18:51 >> IT'S A STORY OF A MONK VERSUS THE POPE. 18:54 IT'S REALLY SIGNIFICANT TO REALIZE THAT THERE IS NO HUMAN 19:01 BEING OTHER THAN JESUS CHRIST, WHO MORE BOOKS HAVE BEEN WRITTEN 19:05 ABOUT THAN MAR THIN LUTHER. MARTIN LUTHER IS NUMBER 2. 19:09 JESUS IS NUMBER 1, AND LUTHER IS NUMBER 2. 19:13 AND WHAT HE DID IN THE EARLY 1500S LITERALLY CHANGED THE 19:18 COURSE OF HISTORY, AND IT IS STILL AFFECTING US TODAY. 19:21 MAYBE WE CAN PUT ON THE SCREEN THE PICTURE OF HIM HAMMERING ON 19:25 THE DOOR OF THE CHURCH. THIS IS REALLY WHAT THE 500-YEAR 19:30 ANNIVERSARY IS ABOUT. IT WAS ON OCTOBER 31, 1517, THAT 19:35 LUTHER DID THIS FAMUS ACT, AND -- AND THE CONTEXT OF WHAT 19:39 WAS HAPPENING, REALLY, WAS -- EUROPE AT THAT TIME WAS 19:43 UNDER THE CONROL OF THE ROMAN CHURCH, AND THE POPES HAD 19:46 TREMENDOUS POWER, AND THEY -- YOU KNOW, THEY BASICALLY 19:49 TOLD THE KINGS AND THE PRINCES OF EUROPE, THAT IF YOU DON'T GO 19:53 ALONG WITH WHAT WE TEACH, YOU ARE OUT OF THE GRACE OF GOD. 19:57 YOU ARE OUT OF HEAVEN. YOU WILL BE EXCOMMUNICATED, AND 20:00 SO THERE WAS A LOT OF POWER IN THE CHURCH'S HAND. 20:04 MARTIN LUTHER AS A YOUNG MAN, HE STARTED GOING TO -- STUDYING 20:08 LAW, AND THEN HE GOT ON TO A HORSE, AND IT WAS RIDING IN A 20:12 STORM AND LIGHTNING STRUCK RIGHT NEAR HIM. 20:16 THE HORSE KNOCKED HIM OFF, AND HE MADE A VOW THAT IF GOD 20:21 BROUGHT HIM THROUGH THIS, HE WOULD BECOME A MONK. 20:23 AND HE SURVIVED THE STORM. CHANGED FROM LAW TO THE 20:27 MINISTRY, AND WENT TO A MONASTERY. 20:30 AND HE WENT THROUGH A RIGOROUS TRAINING, WHERE HE ALMOST KILLED 20:34 HIMSELF TRYING TO EARN THE FAVOR OF GOD, BUT HE SURVIVED AND GOT 20:38 THROUGH THAT, AND HE BECAME A PRIEST AND THEN IT LANDED IN 20:44 VICCENBURG GERMANY AS A PROFESSOR OF THE UNIVERSITY OF 20:48 WHITTENBERG, AND RIGHT AT THAT TIME, THERE WAS A MAN NAMED 20:53 JOHAN WHO WAS BASICALLY A FUNDRAISER FOR THE VATICAN. 20:57 AND HE SHOWED UP IN WHITTENBERG OFFERING A PIECE OF PAPER CALLED 21:02 AN INDULGENCE, THAT THE MONEY WOULD THEN HELP TO BUILD ST. 21:10 PETER'S CHURCH IN ROAM. AND THOSE WHO GAVE MONEY WOULD 21:13 HAVE ALL OF THEIR SINS FORGIVEN, AND THEY WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO 21:18 BASICALLY BUY PEOPLE OUT OF PURGATORY. 21:20 SO A LOT OF THE CHURCH MEMBERS IN WHITTENBERG DID THEY -- THEY 21:24 PAID THE MONEY, THEY GOT THE CERTIFICATE. 21:28 THEY BROUGHT THEM TO DR. LUTHER, AND HE SAID I DON'T ACCEPT 21:31 THESE. BY THAT TIME LUTHER HAD BEEN 21:34 STUDYING THE BIBLE, LEARNING THAT THOU SHALL LIVE BY FAITH, 21:43 THE PROTESTANT MOTTO, CALL, AND AS THE CONTROVERSY WAS 21:48 DEVELOPING, LUTHER DECIDED TO PUT ON TO THE DOOR OF THE CHURCH 21:54 95 THESISES AGAINST INDULGENCES TO CREATE DISCUSSION. 21:58 HE REALLY HAD NO IDEA THE SPARK THIS WAS GOING TO IGNITE. 22:03 THE REVOLUTION THAT THIS WAS GOING TO RESULT IN. 22:05 >> AND WE SHOULD SAY THAT LUTHER LOVED THE CHURCH. 22:09 >> HE DID. >> GUTTENBERG HAD INVENTED THE 22:19 PRINTING PRESS NOT TOO LONG BEFORE THIS. 22:21 BUT THE PEOPLE GOT AHOLD OF THE 95 THESIS, AND THEY WERE 22:26 FASCINATED BY THE THOUGHT THAT, OH, THE POPE DOESN'T HAVE TOTAL 22:30 AUTHORITY? THE INDULGENCES, ALL OF THE 22:32 THINGS THAT HE WAS LISTING -- THE ABUSES AGAINST 22:34 THE CHURCH. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 22:36 >> SO HE DIDN'T EXPECT IT TO SPREAD THAT FAR THAT FAST. 22:39 >> NO, AND IT WAS DESIGNED TO CREATE DISCUSSION ORIGINALLY, 22:45 AND HE WAS A STRONG REFORM-MINDED ROMAN CHAT LICK, 22:52 AND HE HAD NO THOUGHT THAT HE WAS EVENTUALLY GOING TO LEAVE 22:56 THE CHURCH, BUT ANYWAY AS -- AS HIS THESISES BEGAN TO CIRCULATE, 23:06 AND IT CREATED SUCH A STIR OF CONTROVERSY, THAT AS THE 23:13 CONTROVERSY DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, HE BECAME STRONGER IN HIS 23:17 STATEMENTS ABOUT SALVATION BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST. 23:21 AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO STRESS; THAT LUTHER CAME 23:25 TO BELIEF FROM THE STUDY OF THE BIBLE, AND ROMANS, THE BOOK OF 23:33 GALATIANS, THAT SALVATION IS THROUGH THE GRACE OF GOD THROUGH 23:37 FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST, IT WAS THE BIBLE ONLY, FAITH ONLY, 23:43 GRACE ONLY, JESUS ONLY, AND TO THE GLORY OF GOD ONLY. 23:47 >> AMEN. >> AND HERE IS PINT THAT IS 23:51 WORTH NOTING, THAT LUTHER STRONGLY BELIEVED IN SALVATION 23:59 BY GRACE. AND INDULGENCES IS BASICALLY THE 24:04 IDEA THAT YOU CAN PAY MONEY OR DO SOMETHING, AND THEN WHATEVER 24:07 YOU DO -- AT LEAST BACK THEN -- WHATEVER YOU DO, ALL OF 24:11 YOUR SINS ARE FORGIVEN, AND I THINK TODAY WE NEED TO REALIZE 24:16 THAT YES, SALVATION IS BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH AND JESUS AND HIS 24:20 MERITS ALONE, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE HAVE AN INDULGENCE 24:24 GIVEN TO US BY GOD THAT WE CAN THEN DO WHATEVER WE WANT. 24:27 HE STILL NEED TO SURRENDER OUR LIVES TO GOD AND JESUS AND SEEK 24:33 TO DO HIS WILL. SO THERE IS A BALANCE IN 24:37 LUTHER'S TEACHING THAT REALLY HELPED SPARK THE REFORMATION. 24:40 >> AMEN. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT 24:43 THE -- THE CHURCH OF ROME WAS TEACHING THAT PURGATORY WAS A 24:47 PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WENT TO HAVE -- AFTER YOU DIED, THAT 24:50 THIS IS WHERE -- SINS WERE PURGED, THAT YOU SUFFERED AND 24:54 BURNS IN PURRINGER TO, AND NOT ONLY WERE THE INDULGENCES EITHER 24:59 THAT THEY COULD SPENDLESS TIME IN PURGATORY OR AS YOU SAY, HAVE 25:03 ALL OF THEIR SINS FORGIVEN, BUT THEY HAD INDULGENCES THAT THEY 25:08 WERE SELLING TO BUY THEIR DEAD RELATIVES OUT OF PURGATORY, OR 25:14 LESSEN THEIR TIME. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 25:16 THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO IS HELP LESSEN YOUR TIME 25:21 IN PURGATORY OR ELIMINATE IT ENTIRELY. 25:24 AS WE TALKED ABOUT MY STRUGGLES, AND YOU SHARED WITH ME EARLIER 25:29 TODAY DURING LUNCH SOME OF YOUR STRUGGLES, AND I THINK ABOUT 25:33 LUTHER'S STRUGGLES, AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT GOD USES STRUGGLES. 25:40 LUTHER STRUGGLED, AND FINALLY HE DISCOVERED THE GRACE OF GOD. 25:44 AND WHAT I HAVE BEEN THROUGH HAS RE-EMPHASIZED IN MY SOUL MY 25:53 TOTAL DEPENDENCE ON THE GRACE OF JESUS. 25:56 AND WE ALL NEED THAT. >> AMEN. 25:58 >> AS WE CONTINUE ON WITH THE SUBJECT, THERE IS ANOTHER BIG 26:01 POINT THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT OUT, AND THAT IS THIS, THAT THE 26:05 REFORMATION WAS NOT JUST BUILT UPON THE DOCTRINE OF THE 26:09 AUTHORITY OF THE BIBLE AND JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH IN JESUS 26:13 APART FROM WORKS, BUT THERE WAS A SECOND PILLAR OF THE 26:17 REFORMATION, AND THAT HAD TO DO WITH BIBLE PROPHECY, AND WHAT 26:22 HAPPENED HISTORICALLY WAS THAT AS THE INDULGENCE CONTROVERSY 26:27 GOT -- GOT MORE INTENSE -- AS IT HEATED UP, EVENTUALLY IN 1520, 26:33 THREE YEARS AFTER LUTHER WENT BANG BANG BANG, THE POPE ISSUED 26:39 A BULL, WHAT IS CALLED A PAPAL BULL AGAINST LUTHER. 26:43 >> WHICH IS A DECREE. >> AND IT SAID YOU HAVE GOT 60 26:47 DAYS TO -- TO RECANT, AND IF YOU DON'T, YOU ARE EXCOMMUNICATED, 26:53 AND YOU -- YOU ARE GOING TO DIE. YOU ARE PROBABLY GOING TO DIE. 26:56 >> AND EXCOMMUNICATION IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH MEANS THAT -- 27:00 >> YOU ARE OUT. >> BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT 27:02 SALVATION IS ONLY THROUGH THE CHURCH, SO IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE 27:06 CHURCH, YOU ARE DEAD. >> THAT MEANS YOU OUT OF THE 27:09 CHURCH, AND YOU ARE OUT OF HEAVEN, THAT'S RIGHT. 27:12 SO IT WAS A FEARFUL THUNDER FROM -- FROM ROME THAT MADE 27:16 KINGS AND PRINCES AND NOBLES TREMBLE, SO LUTHER RECEIVED THIS 27:26 PAPAL BULL IN 1520, AND HE READ IT -- AND ANOTHER CONCEPT HAD 27:30 BEEN DEVELOPING IN HIS MIND, THAT THE POWER THAT HAS BEEN 27:37 OPPOSING HIM IS NOT -- NOT ONLY IS IT NOT FROM CHRIST, BUT IT 27:41 IS -- IT IS ANTICHRIST. AND LET ME JUST READ TO YOU -- I 27:45 HAVE GOT A BOOK HERE -- BIG BOOK. 27:48 I LIKE HISTORY, THIS IS CALLED THE HISTORY OF THE REFORMATION 27:52 OF THE 16TH CENTURY, IT IS A CLASSIC. 27:55 IT HAS BEEN TRANSLATED INTO MANY LANGUAGES, GONE THROUGH MANY 28:00 EDITIONS, IT'S A TEXTBOOK DEALING WITH THE REFORMATION, 28:03 AND LET ME SHARE A COUPLE OF QUOTES HERE. 28:05 IT SAYS -- THIS IS PAGE 215 -- THAT WHEN -- WHEN -- WHEN 28:13 THE POPE BASICALLY THREATENED LUTHER WITH THE BULL, AND SAID 28:18 YOU RECANT OR YOUR DEAD YOU ARE GOING TO BE EXCOMMUNICATED, AND 28:23 YOU ARE GONE, LUTHER, ESPECIALLY BEGAN TO STUDY THE 28:28 PROPHECIES -- THE PROPHECIES OF THE BIBLE, AND HERE HE SAYS IT 28:35 CAME AT LAST -- THIS IS ACTUALLY PAGE 204, IT CAME AT LAST THE 28:41 ROMAN BULL. I DISPIES IT AND ATTACK IT AS 28:46 FALSE. AND THEN HE SAID, I REJOICE 28:50 HAVING TO BARE SUCH ILLS FOR THE BEST OF CAUSES. 28:53 I FEEL GREATER LIBERTY IN MY HEART, FOR AT LAST I KNOW THAT 28:58 THE POPE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT HIS THROWN IS THAT OF SATAN HIMSELF. 29:04 THAT'S A STRONG, NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT STATEMENT, BUT THAT'S 29:07 WHAT HE SAID, AND IF YOU GO ON TO PAGE 215, IN THIS BOOK, IT 29:12 SAYS HERE, LUTHER SAID I WILL STIR UP THE BILE OF THIS ITALIAN 29:17 BEAST. SAID LUTHER. 29:18 HE KEPT HIS WORD. IN HIS REPLY TO THE BULL, HE 29:22 PROVED BY THE REVELATIONS OF DANIEL AND ST. JOHN, THAT THE 29:30 REIGN OF ANTICHRIST DESCRIBED IN THE BIBLE WAS THE PAPACY. 29:36 A HOLY TERROR SEIZED UPON PEOPLE'S SOULS. 29:40 THIS NEW IDEA WHICH DERIVED GREATER STRENGTH FROM THE 29:47 DESCRIPTIONS LAUNCHED FORTH BY LUTHER INFLICTED THE MOST 29:54 TERRIBLE BLOW ON ROME. AND IT IS A FACT THAT THE 29:58 REFORMATION NOT ONLY DISCOVERED CHRIST, BUT PREACHED AGAINST 30:03 ANTICHRIST. AND IT WAS LUTHER'S STUDYING AND 30:10 PREACHING ABOUT THE LITTLE HORN IN DANIEL, THE MAN OF SIN, THE 30:15 BEAST IN REVELATION 13, AND THE WOMAN THAT WAS CLOTHED WITH 30:18 PURPLE AND SCARLET DRUNK WITH THE BLOOD OF THE SAINT, SITTING 30:22 ON SEVEN HILLS IN REVELATION 17, LUTHER APPLIED ALL OF THESE 30:27 THINGS TO THE PAPAL POWER, AND IT WAS HIS TYING IN PROPHECY TO 30:33 THE PAPACY, THAT'S WHAT REALLY GAVE POWER TO THE PROTESTANT 30:39 REFORMATION, AND TO CLARIFY, LUTHER WAS NOT ANTI-CATHOLIC. 30:43 HE WAS ANTI-PAPACY. HE WAS ANTI-AUTHORITY GIVEN 30:48 TO -- TO THE POPE ABOVE THE AUTHORITY OF THE BIBLE. 30:51 THAT WAS THE -- THE ISSUE. AND -- AND TODAY, YOU KNOW, 30:55 PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT, THAT -- THAT LUTHER -- NOT ONLY 31:00 TAUGHT JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH, BUT HE TAUGHT THAT THE PAPAL 31:04 POWER WAS THE HORN AND THE BEAST AND THE WOMAN OF REVELATION 17. 31:08 >> THE LITTLE HORN THAT CAME IN THE MIDST OF THE EUROPEAN 31:12 NATIONS -- >> THAT'S RIGHT. 31:14 CAME OUT OF ROME. >> WITH ONE WITH THE BOASTING 31:19 MOUTH. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 31:20 YOU HAVE FOUR BEASTS. THE ROMAN POWER HAD TEN HORNS, 31:26 AND THEN THE LITTLE HORN THAT CAME UP OUT OF ROME. 31:30 AND THE VATICAN IS VERY SMALL, BUT IT HAS A LOT OF INFLUENCE, 31:35 AND DANIEL 7:21 SAYS ITS WOULD MAKE WAR AGAINST THE SAINTS, 7:8 31:41 SAID IT WOULD HAVE A MOUTH SPEAKING GREAT THINGS. 31:44 AND LUTHER BELIEVED THAT THE LITTLE HORN REPRESENTED THE 31:49 ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. NOT THE MEMBERS, BUT THE SYSTEM 31:52 CENTERED IN THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE. 31:54 >> WHEN YOU ARE TALKING SYSTEM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 31:58 GEOPOLITICAL SYSTEM THAT WAS NOT JUST ECCLESIASTICAL POWER, BUT 32:06 TEMPORAL POWER. IT WAS THE COMBINATION OF CHURCH 32:09 AND STATE. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 32:11 IT HAD SO MUCH POWER IN EUROPE, AND IT WAS FEARED BY PRINCES AND 32:15 KINGS AND RULERS, THAT THEY BETTER TOE THE LINE, OR THEY 32:21 WOULD BE EXCOMMUNICATED AND SEVERED FROM GOD. 32:24 >> A LOT OF TIMES WE WILL -- AND WE HAVE GOT SOME QUOTES -- I 32:29 HAVE A QUOTE I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU, AT LEAST BY THE 32:32 SECOND HOUR. BUT BAPTISTS -- EVERY -- EVERY 32:36 PROTESTANT DENOMINATION HAS LONG BELIEVED WHAT LUTHER TAUGHT, 32:42 THROUGH CONTINUED STUDY, THAT THE GEOPOLITICAL POWER OF THE 32:49 ROMAN CHURCH IS THE ONE THAT IS THE ANTICHRIST, AND I CAN 32:53 REMEMBER, STEVE, WHEN I WAS PROBABLY EIGHT, NINE YEARS OLD. 33:02 PRESIDENT KENNEDY WAS RUNNING FOR OFFICE, AND HE WAS CATHOLIC, 33:06 AND ALL OF THE BUZZ, ALL OF THE BUZZ -- AND WE -- AND -- AND I 33:10 GREW UP IN A NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH, QUOTE UNQUOTE, THAT DID 33:14 NOT STUDY REVELATION. IT WAS A HAND'S OFF BOOK FOR US. 33:18 I MEAN THEY DID NOT STUDY REVELATION, YET, ALL OF THE 33:22 PEOPLE THAT WE KNEW WOULD SIT AROUND AND TALK ABOUT THE -- THE 33:26 BEAST -- THE ANTICHRIST; THAT THE CATHOLIC -- THAT THEY WERE 33:32 WORRIED ABOUT A CATHOLIC, GAINING ASCEND ANTSY TO THE 33:43 PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, BECAUSE ALL OF THEM KNEW THE 33:49 ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH WAS BELIEVED TO BE THE ANTICHRIST. 33:54 >> THAT'S RIGHT. AND THIS WAS NOT AN ATTACK ON 33:56 THE CATHOLIC PEOPLE, BUT EVENTUALLY WHEN -- WHEN THE 34:00 HEADQUARTERS SAID WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF YOU, WE ISSUED THE 34:06 BULL, WHICH LUTHER HAD A BIG BONFIRE IN WHITTENBERG, HE 34:14 BURNED THE PAPAL BULL, AND HE SAID A SERIOUS STRUGGLE HAS JUST 34:19 BEGUN BETWEEN ME AND THE POPE, AND THAT'S WHEN HE LEVELED 34:21 ALL -- ALL OF HIS WEAPONS, HIS SPIRITUAL WEAPONS OF TRUTH 34:31 AGAINST THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. 34:34 AND IT RESULTED IN HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN EUROPE 34:37 LEAVING THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. THE RESULT WAS THE PROTESTANT 34:43 MOVEMENT, PROTESTING AGAINST THE TRADITIONS THA HAD COME 34:46 IN -- INTO CHRISTIANITY, THROUGH THE ROMAN CHURCH, AND THAT'S 34:50 WHAT A PROTESTANT IS. SOMEONE WHO PROTESTS. 34:54 LUTHER PROTESTS, AND EVENTUALLY HE SEVERED ALL COMMUNICATION 34:59 WITH THE CHURCH. HE WAS PART OF THE CHURCH OF 35:04 CHRIST, BUT NO LONGER A MEMBER OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. 35:08 AND THAT'S WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT, GETTING BACK TO THE BIBLE 35:12 AND STANDING UP FOR JESUS CHRIST AND HIS WORD. 35:16 >> A PROTESTANT IS ONE WHO BELIEVES IN SALVATION BY GRACE 35:21 THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST? A PROTESTANT IS ONE WHO BELIEVES 35:25 IN THE BIBLE AND THE BIBLE ONLY AS A RULE OF AUTHORITY, AND WHO 35:32 REJECTS THE IDEA THAT THE POPE IS THE HEAD -- THE TOTAL 35:41 AUTHORITY OF THE ONE TRUE CHURCH? 35:43 >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT. AND PROTESTANT CHURCHES, 35:47 LUTHERAN, BAPTIST, METHODIST, PRESBYTERIAN, MENENITE, THEY ALL 35:59 BELIEVED IN THE PILARS, AND BELIEVING IN THE BIBLE AS THE 36:03 PRIMARY AUTHORITY, THEY ALSO BELIEVED THAT THE ROMAN PAPACY 36:06 WAS THE BEAST AND THE HARLOT AND THE LITTLE HORN OF PROPHECY. 36:11 THEY ALL BELIEVED THAT. BUT RECENTLY THINGS HAVE 36:15 CHANGED. AND NOW WE HAVE COME DOWN 500 36:18 YEARS SINCE THE BANG BANG BANG ON THE DOOR OF THE WHITTENBERG 36:22 CHURCH. AND SOME SURPRISING THINGS ARE 36:24 HAPPENING TODAY. IF WE CAN PUT A SLIDE ON THE 36:26 SCREEN. YES, THERE YOU CAN SEE -- IT WAS 36:29 LAST OCTOBER POPE FRANCIS TRAVELED TO SWEDEN FOR A JOINT 36:34 COMMEMORATION WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF THE LUTHERAN WORLD 36:39 FEDE FEDERATION. 36:42 FROM CONFLICT TO COMMUNION. I HAVE -- THIS LOOK PLACE IN 36:48 SWEDEN. I HAVE GOT AN ARTICLE THAT 36:50 DESCRIBES ALL -- ALL ABOUT THIS, IN ECUMENISM NEWS, AND IT SAYS 36:59 HERE IT'S ALL ABOUT ENDING A CONFLICT THAT LASTED FOR 500 37:04 YEARS. IT IS AN IMPORTANT STEP AND PART 37:06 OF THE PROCESS OF RECONCILING THE PAST AND MOVING FORWARD 37:10 TOGETHER. NOW IT'S NOT JUST LUTHERANS AND 37:14 CATHOLICS WHO HAVE COME TOGETHER TO MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER, BUT IF 37:17 WE COULD PUT ANOTHER PICTURE ON THE SCREEN ABOUT THE CAIRO 37:22 CONFERENCE. THIS -- THIS IS AMAZING. 37:25 YOU CAN JUST SEE THAT BRIEFLY. THAT MEANS TIME IN GREEK. 37:32 UNITED IN CHRIST, REFERRING TO ALL OF THE WORLD KNOWING THAT WE 37:36 ARE ONE. KEYNOTE SPEAKERS YOU SEE 37:40 CARDINAL DANIEL, AND KEN THET COPELAND, AND YOU CAN SEE THE 37:47 DATES. SO THAT CONFERENCE ACTUALLY JUST 37:49 ENDED TODAY. IT HAS BEEN TAKE PLACE IN KANSAS 37:52 CITY. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SPEAKER 37:55 LIST -- WHICH I HAVE LOOKED AT EVERY ONE OF THEM, IT'S A WHO'S 38:01 WHO LIST OF VERY INFLUENTIAL LEADERS IN THE EVANGELICAL 38:16 WORLD. KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI CONVENTION 38:25 CENTER. JOINING TOGETHER FOR ROUND TABLE 38:28 DISCUSSION, WORSHIP, PRAYER, AND IN PARTATION, AND THEY ARE 38:32 REFERRING TO JOHN 17, WHEN JESUS PRAYED THAT WE WOULD BE ONE. 38:35 IT SAYS THE CONFERENCE ALSO CELEBRATES THE SIGNIFICANCE OF 38:40 2017, FOR THE CHURCH INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZING A 38:44 NUMBER OF HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT ANNIVERSARIES. 38:48 THE FIRST IS THE 500-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE PROTESTANT 38:58 REFORMATION. PLUS THE RENEWAL MOVEMENT, THE 39:00 LAUNCHING OF THAT IN 1967, THE MES ANTIC MOVEMENT, AND THE 40 39:06 YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE CONFERENCE IN KANSAS IN 1977. 39:10 AND IT SAYS HERE THE PURPOSE IS TO CELEBRATE OUR DIVERSITY TO 39:15 COME TOGETHER AND TO HELP HEAL THE WOUNDS OF THE PAST. 39:19 THAT'S WHAT THIS PRESS RELEASE SAYS. 39:21 AND SHELLEY, THIS IS JUST SO AMAZING THAT YOU HAVE A WHOLE 39:26 HOST OF MOVERS AND SHAKERS COMING TOGETHER, FINISHING 39:33 TODAY, THE DAY THAT WE'RE HERE IN KANSAS CITY, HERE WE 39:36 ARE -- WE'RE IN THOMPSONVILLE, ILLINOIS, CORRECT? 39:41 THIS LITTLE -- YOU KNOW, NOT SO LITTLE TELEVISION STATION, WHERE 39:44 WE'RE BROADCASTING THIS LIVE. THEY WERE ALSO BROADCASTING 39:48 LIVE, BUT OUR EVENTS ARE VERY DIFFERENT, AND I'M SURE THAT THE 39:52 PEOPLE THERE ARE VERY SINCERE, AND THEY -- YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY 39:55 ARE TRYING TO DO -- I WAS READING SOME STATEMENTS FROM 39:59 KENNETH COPELAND, AND I WATCHED HIS SERMON ABOUT THIS, AND HE 40:04 SAID A DIVIDED CHURCH CANNOT HEAL A DIVIDED NATION. 40:08 AND PROTESTANTS AND CATHOLICS NEED TO COME TOGETHER TO HELP 40:12 AMERICA, AND HE REFERRED TO THE DEMON OF DIVISION THAT MIGHT BE 40:20 CRUSHED. BUT AS I READ JOHN 17, JESUS 40:23 ALSO SAID IN VERSE 17, THAT WE MUST BE SANCTIFIED BY THE WORD 40:28 OF GOD, AND GOD'S WORD IS THE TRUTH. 40:31 SO THE UNITY OF JOHN 17 IS UNITY IN CHRIST WITH EACH OTHER IN 40:37 TRUTH, AND IN HIS WORD, AND WE MUST NOT FORGET THE BASIS OF 40:41 UNITY. >> IS -- LET ME ASK YOU 40:43 THIS -- ISN'T THIS ALSO -- I THINK YOU TOLD ME AT LUNCH, THIS 40:46 WAS THE 100TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE FATAMA -- AM I JUMPING AHEAD? 40:54 >> NO, YOU ARE RIGHT THERE. AND WE CAN PUT THAT ON THE 40:57 SCREEN TOO, THIS PICTURE. THIS IS A CATHOLIC PUBLICATION. 41:04 AND IT SAYS POPE FRANCIS GRANTS INDULGENCE. 41:11 SO NOT ONLY IS OCTOBER, AND THIS YEAR, THE 500-YEAR ANNIVERSARY 41:16 OF THE PROTESTANT REFORMATION, WHICH THEY ARE CELEBRATING IN 41:20 KANSAS CITY, AND COMING TOGETHER TO HEAL THE -- WHAT THEY ARE 41:25 CALLING THE DEMON OF DIVISION, BUT IT'S -- ALL THIS YEAR IS 41:31 ALSO THE ANNIVERSARY OF AN APPARENT -- AND I BELIEVE IT WAS 41:35 THE DEVIL THAT APPEARED TO THESE THREE CHILDREN IN FATIMA 41:43 PORTUGAL, CLAIMING TO BE THE VIRGIN MARY, AND THE CATHOLIC 41:47 CHURCH REALLY BELIEVED THAT THE FATIMA VISIONS WERE REAL. 42:01 AND I LOOK AT LUTHER FIGHTING INDULGENCES. 42:04 I SEE 500 YEARS TO THIS YEAR, SEEING PROTESTANT AND CATHOLICS 42:11 COMING TOGETHER SAYING WE NEED TO HEAL THE DIVISIONS OF THE 42:16 PAST. AND THEN I SEE THE POPE ISSUING 42:19 ANOTHER INDULGENCE FOR THOSE WHO GO TO FATIMA AND PRAY TO THE 42:24 VIRGIN MARY. AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS ROME IS 42:28 STILL ROME. ROME IS THE SAME ROME THAT IT 42:30 WAS BACK IN THE DAYS OF LUTHER. I HAVE A CATHOLIC CALENDAR HERE 42:35 THAT WAS SENT TO OUR OFFICE FOR SOME REASON, AND IT'S 42:39 SOMEBODY -- AND IT TALKS ABOUT FATIMA, AND HERE IS A COUPLE OF 42:45 QUICK QUOTES. OUR LADY OF FATIMA SAID PRAY THE 42:56 ROSY EVERY DAY, PRAYING FOR PEACE ON THE WORLD, AND THE END 43:01 OF THE WAR. AND HERE IS MARY, AND YOU SEE A 43:06 PICTURE OF HER HEART HERE, AND THIS IS AGAIN COMMEMORATING OUR 43:11 LADY OF FATIMA. 100 YEARS AGO, SAID -- MARY SAID 43:17 MY EMACULATE HEART WILL BE YOUR REFUGE AND YOUR WAY TO GOD. 43:25 IF MARTIN LUTHER READ THS, HE WOULD DO THE SAME THING HE DID 43:29 IN 1517. HE WOULD PROTEST THAT SALVATION 43:37 WAS THROUGH JESUS CHRIST ALONE. AND WE DON'T NEED TO PRAY TO 43:42 MARY. AND ROME STILL BELIEVES THT 43:43 MARY IS A MEDITOR. ROME STILL PRAYS TO DEAD SAINTS. 43:49 THEY STILL BELIEVE IN PURGATORY. THEY STILL ISSUE INDULGENCES. 43:57 THE PRIEST STILL SAY THE WORDS AND BELIEVE THEY CAN CHANGE 44:02 LITERAL BREAD INTO THE ACTUAL LITERAL BODY OF JESUS CHRIST. 44:08 SAYING THEY CAN CREATE THE CREATOR. 44:12 >> THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT MARLIN LUTHER -- HE WAS 44:15 BALLISTIC ON THAT POINT. >> THEY STILL BELIEVE IN THE 44:19 SUPREME AUTHORITY OF THE POPE, AND TRADITION ABOVE THE BIBLE. 44:24 AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE BEAST IS STILL THE BEAST. 44:27 IT'S STILL THE BEAST, AND THE PROTESTANTS AND CHARISMATICS, 44:32 AND ORTHODOX, AND ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT GROUPS WHO ARE COMING 44:36 TOGETHER, THEY HAVE COMPLETELY LOST SIGHT OF LUTHER AND ALL OF 44:43 THE PROTESTANTS, THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF DANIEL 7, AND 44:49 REVELATION 13, AND SECOND THESSALONIANS 2, AND REVELATIONS 44:53 17, THAT THESE SYMBOLS, THE LITTLE HORN, THE HARLOT, THE MAN 44:58 OF SIN, THE BEAST, THAT THE SYMBOLS REFER TO THE ROMAN PAPL 45:05 POWER, AND IT IS STILL THE BEAST TODAY. 45:08 >> THE INTERESTING THING TO ME IS THAT SO MANY CHURCH LEADERS 45:14 COULD BE DECEIVED, BECAUSE ROME -- IF YOU -- MAY I TAKE -- 45:19 >> SURE, YES, OF COURSE. WE'RE FINE ON OUR SEQUENCE HERE. 45:25 >> ROME IS VERY OPEN ABOUT THEIR AGENDA. 45:29 THE CAN ON LAW -- THAT'S WHAT IS LAID DOWN BY THE PAPAL 45:36 ANNOUNCEMENTS, IS ABSOLUTELY -- THEY -- THEY 45:39 DETEST THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. 45:41 THEY DETEST FREEDOM. HERE'S -- THE CHURCH OF ROME 45:46 DENIES THE EQUALITY OF EVERY CITIZEN IN LIBERTY OF CONSCIOUS. 45:51 THIS COMES FROM THE NEW YORK FREEMAN, THE OFFICIAL JOURNAL OF 45:57 BISHOP HUGHES. HE SAYS NO MAN HAS THE RIGHT TO 46:00 CHOOSE HIS RELIGION. THE CHURCH DOES NOT AND CANNOT 46:07 ACCEPT IN ANY DEGREE OR IN ANY DEGREE FAVOR LIBERTY AND THE 46:13 PROTESTANT SENSE OF LIBERTY. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DENIES 46:20 INDEPENDENCE OF CIVIL LAW FROM ECUMENICAL LAW. 46:26 IN OTHER WORDS THEY BELIEVE THAT THE CHURCH IS THE SOUL -- HAS 46:30 THE LEGITIMACY, THE ONLY PERSON THAT HAS THE LEGITIMACY TO MAKE 46:35 LAWS AND TO ENFORCE LAWS, AND THEY SAY THAT -- IN THE KEYS OF 46:40 THIS BLOOD, MALACHI MARTIN, SAID THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH INTENDS 46:48 TO BE THE RELIGIOUS-POLITICAL RULER OF THE WORLD. 46:54 BUT THEY BELIEVE ONLY THE POPE CAN DETERMINE HOW YOU WILL ACT, 46:58 OR WHAT YOU BELIEVE.-pPOPE PIUS SAID IT WAS PROPOSED THAT ALL RELIGIOUS PERSUASIONS 47:08 SHOULD BE FREE AND THEIR WORSHIP PUBLICLY EXERCISED. 47:13 BUT WE HAVE REJECTED THIS ARTICLE AS CONTRARY TO THE 47:17 CANNONS AND COUNCILS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. 47:20 SO WHAT HE IS SAYING IS YOU CANNOT HAVE FREEDOM. 47:23 ONLY THE POPE CAN TELL YOU WHAT IS GOOD FOR YOU, AND WHAT YOU 47:27 MUST DO. AND THEN REVEREND O'CONNOR 47:34 WROTE, RELIGIOUS LIBERTY IS MERELY ENDURED, IT IS MERELY 47:40 TOLERATED, UNTIL THE OPPOSITE CAN BE CARRIED INTO EFFECT 47:45 WITHOUT PERIL TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. 47:50 SO ECUMENICAL MOVEMENT THAT -- I BELIEVE THAT TONY PALMER, 47:56 AND -- OH, WHO IS THAT YOU -- >> KENNETH COPELAND. 48:01 >> KENNETH COPELAND AND TONY PALMER. 48:05 TONY PALMER WAS A BISHOP OF THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH, AND HE WAS 48:12 INSTRUMENTAL IN TALKING ABOUT LET'S HEAL THIS WOUND IN THE 48:17 CHURCH. BUT HOW CAN THEY? 48:18 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CATHOLIC LITERATURE, BASICALLY THEY ARE 48:22 SAYING WE WANT TO GET RID OF PROTESTANTISM, WE'RE NOT GOING 48:27 TO COMPROMISE ON ANY OF OUR BELIEFS. 48:30 THE POPE IS THE ONE WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL YOU. 48:33 HOW DO INTELLIGENT PEOPLE, WHO HAVE ALL OF THIS AVAILABLE TO 48:38 THEM, HOW DO THEY NOT SEE WHAT THE AGENDA OF THE PAPAL 48:48 SEE -- HOW DO THEY NOT SEE WHAT THE AGENDA OF PAPACY IS? 48:54 >> YEAH, ONE BIG REASON IS BECAUSE THE PROTESTANT WORLD HAS 49:02 LOST ITS KNOWLEDGE OF BIBLE PROPHECY. 49:04 AS I READ FROM THE BOOK, IT SAYS THAT LUTHER PROVED FROM -- FROM 49:08 THE REVELATIONS OF DANIEL, AND JOHN IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION, 49:14 FROM PALL IN 2 THESSALONIANS 2, THAT THE ANTICHRIST AS DESCRIBED 49:20 IN THE BIBLE REFERRED TO THE PAPAL POWER, THAT WAS A VIEW 49:24 THAT WAS SHARED BY ALL OF THE MAJOR PROTESTANT DENOMINATIONS 49:29 FOR A COUPLE HUNDRED YEARS SINCE LUTHER, BUT THEY HAVE LOST THAT. 49:33 NOW THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A FUTURE ANTICHRIST, MANY OF THEM 49:37 AFTER THE RAPTURE, THEN THE ANTICHRIST WILL SHOW UP, SO THEY 49:41 HAVE LOST THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF HISTORY. 49:43 THEY HAVE LOST THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF PROPHECY, AND SO THEY -- THEY 49:46 ARE NOT LOOKING -- THEY ARE NOT LOOKING FOR A -- FOR WHAT YOU 49:51 ARE TALKING ABOUT. YOU KNOW, THEY SEE THE ROMAN 49:54 CHURCH AS AN ALLY FOR PROPRO-LIFE, AND AN ALLEY IN A 50:02 CULTURE WAR, AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHO THEY ARE DEALING 50:05 WITH. BUT THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT'S 50:07 DOING. IT HAS KNOWN THIS FOR A LONG 50:09 TIME. AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 50:11 CATHOLIC PEOPLE. LUTHER WAS A CATHOLIC FOR A LONG 50:14 TIME. AND THE REASON WHY HE PROTESTED, 50:16 STOOD UP, PREACHED AND WAS BULLED, AND TURNED TO THE 50:22 PROPHECIES, WAS BECAUSE HE CARED ABOUT CATHOLIC PEOPLE. 50:25 HE WANTED TO HELP THEM TO TURN AWAY FROM ALL OF THESE 50:29 TRADITIONS AND FOCUS THEIR MINDS ON JESUS CHRIST, ON HIS GRACE, 50:34 LOVE, POWER AND WORD, BUT INSTEAD OF ALL OF THE DEMANDS OF 50:39 ROMANISM. I WENT TO ROME ONE TIME IN 1993, 50:43 AND I STILL REMEMBER, SHELLEY, GOING TO -- TO A CHURCH -- A 50:47 ROMAN CHURCH THAT WAS A TOURIST SIGHT, AND I WAS AT THE TOP OF A 50:52 SERIES OF STAIRS, AND I LOOKED DOWN, AND I SAW OLD CATHOLIC 50:58 WOMEN ON THEIR KNEES CLIMBING UP THE STAIRS IN THIS CHURCH, AND I 51:03 SAW THEIR FACES, THEY WERE G GRIMACING AND THEY WERE IN PAIN. 51:09 AND THEY WERE DOING THIS, BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THAT THAT 51:11 WOULD HELP THEM TO EARN THE FAVOR OF GOD. 51:14 AND I LOOKED AT THESE WOMEN, AND THEY COULD HAVE BEEN MY GRANDMA, 51:19 AND I JUST THOUGHT TO MYSELF, LADIES, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO 51:23 THIS. JESUS LOVES YOU. 51:24 HE GAVE HIS LIFE FOR YOU. HE WANTS TO SAVE YO BY HIS 51:27 GRACE. YOU CAN'T WORK YOUR WAY TO 51:30 HEAVEN, YOU CAN'T CLIMB THE STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN ON YOUR 51:32 KNEES, AND EXPECT TO EARN THE HAIF -- FAVOR OF GOD. 51:40 AND THE NEED FOR THE REFORMATION IS VERY REAL TODAY, AND THE 51:44 PROTESTANT CHURCHES -- THE LUTHERAN WORLD FEDERATION, AND 51:48 THE KIROS EVENT, THEY JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. 51:52 AND HERE, AGAIN IS THE STATEMENT THAT WE WANT TO CELEBRATE OUR 51:56 DIVERSITY AND TO HELP HEAL THE WOUNDS OF THE PAST. 51:59 AND THAT LEADS US TO ONE MORE TEXT BEFORE THE BREAK. 52:05 >> OKAY. I JUST WANT TO THROW THIS 52:07 THOUGHT IN, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T -- WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT 52:12 THE REFORMATION, AND POPE LEO THE TENTH, WAS THE POPE THAT 52:18 READ THE BULL. HE WAS READY TO HAVE LUTHER 52:21 KILLED. >> BURN HIM UP. 52:22 >> HE WAS READY TO BURN HIM AT A 52:28 THE STAKE. IGNTIUS STEPPED IN -- 52:30 >> HE WAS A SPANISH SOLDIER WHO WAS WOUNDED IN BATTLE AND IN A 52:34 HOSPITAL APPARENTLY HAD A REVELATION AND BECAME A SOLDIER 52:38 FOR THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, AND HE FOUNDED THE ORDER OF THE 52:43 SOCIETY -- WHICH IS THE ORDER OF THE JESUITS, AND THE JESUITS 52:47 BECAME THE ARMY OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH TO HELP FIGHT 52:52 AND COUNTERACT AND ULTIMATELY DESTROY THE REFORMATION. 52:57 AND THE JESUITS ARE STILL VERY REAL TODAY. 53:01 SOMEBODY TOLD ME ABOUT A LETTER THEY RECEIVED THAT SAYS YOU ARE 53:05 ON THE SHORT LIST BECAUSE YOU ARE TAKING A STAND AGAINST THE 53:08 ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, AND THIS WAS FROM THE JESUITS. 53:12 AND THEY ARE VERY REAL, VERY ACTIVE, AND THEY KNOW WHAT THEY 53:16 ARE DOING -- >> AND IT WAS THE JESUITS 53:21 THAT -- THE COUNTER REFORMATION -- 53:27 [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> EXCUSE ME. 53:28 THEY WERE THE ENFORCERS OF THE INQUISITION. 53:32 BUT THE COUNTER REFORMATION THAT CAME UP, WHICH BROUGHT FORWARD 53:38 PEOPLE LIKE -- OH, MY MIND -- FRANCISCO ROBERRA, AND 53:47 AL KASAR. >> YES. 53:50 >> PUTTING THE BEAST WAY IN THE FUTURE OR WAY IN THE PAST, 53:54 ASSOCIATING WITH NERO, THESE IDEAS THROUGH THE JESUITS HAVE 53:58 WORKED THEIR WAY INTO THE PROTESTANT WORLD, AND THEY HAVE 54:04 REPLACED PROTESTANT HISTORYIST POWER. 54:13 I HAVE ONE LAST PICTURE FOR THIS FIRST HOUR. 54:16 THERE YOU SEE TIME MAGAZINE, THE POPE WAS CHOSEN AS MAN OF THE 54:22 YEAR. AND YOU SEE HIM SITTING WITH A 54:25 WHOLE HOST OF FORTUNE 500 CEOS. AND HE IS SPEAKING AT THE UNITED 54:31 NATIONS. WE KNOW HE SPOKE TO A JOINT -pSESSION OF CONGRESS IN 2015. 54:38 ON THE RIGHT, YOU SEE HIM WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP. 54:41 YOU ALSO SEE HIM ABOVE THE PICTURE, I BELIEVE THAT'S WITH 54:45 AN ORHODOX OR MUSLIM MAN, AND THERE HE IS ALSO WITH A 54:49 JEWISH -- A JEWISH LEADER BEFORE THE WHALING WALL, AND YOU SEE 54:52 HIM ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT WITH KENNETH COPELAND AND A WHOLE 54:58 HOST OF PROTESTANT AND CHARISMATIC LEADERS. 55:01 AND THERE IS A VERSE IN REVELATION 13 WHICH GOES BACK TO 55:05 THE PRESS RELEASE THAT CAME OUT OF THE KIROS CONFERENCE TO HELP 55:09 HEAL THE WOUNDS OF THE PAST. PROPHECY PREDICTS, I SAW ONE OF 55:17 HIS HEADS AS IT -- AS IF IT HAD BEEN MORE TALLY WOUNDED. 55:21 THIS IS TALKING ABOUT THE BEAST GETTING A WOUND, BUT THEN IT 55:26 SAYS HIS DEADLY WOUND WAS HEALED, AND ALL OF THE WORLD 55:30 MARVELLED AND FOLLOWED THE BEAST. 55:33 THE DEADLY WOUND WILL BE HEALED. THE PRESS RELEASE SAYS WE'RE 55:37 COMING TOGETHER IN KANSAS CITY IN 2017 TO HELP HEAL THE WOUNDS 55:43 OF THE PAST. THE PRESS RELEASE LINES UP WITH 55:46 PROPHECY, THAT THE WOUND -- THAT THE REFORMATION ISSUED AND THAT 55:50 THE FRENCH REVELATION ISSUED, KNOCKING THE PAPAL POWER -- THE 55:56 REFORMATION WOUNDED IT SPIRITUALLY, THE FRENCH 55:59 REVOLUTION AT THE END OF THE 1700S, KNOCKED THE PAPAL POWER 56:05 OUT POLITICAL, BUT NOW IT'S HEALING. 56:08 AND PROTESTANTS ARE START OF THAT. 56:10 AND PROPHECY PREDICTS WHAT WILL HAPPENS BY COMING TOGETHER WITH 56:15 THE BEAST. AND THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN WHO THE 56:17 BEAST IS. THEY DON'T KNOW WHO THE BEAST 56:19 IS. AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE 56:21 JESUITS, AND ALL OF THIS HISTORY MAY SOUND SHOCKING AND 56:25 POLITICALLY INCORRECT, BUT IT IS FACT, AND IT IS WORTH SHARING 56:29 DURING THE 500-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF MARTIN LUTHER GOING BANG BANG 56:35 BANG. >> WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME, 56:37 BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY SOMETHING THAT TO ME, POPE FRANCIS IS SUCH 56:43 A LIKABLE PERSONALITY. >> I AGREE, TOTALLY. 56:46 >> HE SEEMS LIKE A WARM AND SINCERE INDIVIDUAL. 56:49 AND ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PAPAL SYSTEM, A -- A 56:54 SYSTEM OF CHURCH AND STATE THAT WE DON'T -- WE DON'T WANT YOU TO 56:59 FEEL LIKE WE'RE CATHOLIC BASHING, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT. 57:02 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HISTORY. >> THAT'S RIGHT, WE'RE DOING 57:05 WHAT LUTHER DID IN STANDING UP FOR TRUTH BECAUSE WE CARE ABOUT 57:10 PEOPLE. >> AND BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING THAT 57:12 PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO REVERSE THE REFORMATION, NOT RECOGNIZING 57:17 THAT THEY ARE ABOUT TO GET IN BED WITH THE ENEMY. 57:20 >> WITH THE BEAST. >> WITH THE BEAST. 57:23 WELL, WE'RE DOWN TO THE END OF THIS FIRST HOUR. 57:26 WE HOPE YOU WILL STAY WITH US. I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT YOUR 57:30 BOOKS THT YOU -- THAT BOOK OFFER. 57:32 BUT WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE FIRST PART OF THE NEXT HOUR, 57:36 AND WE'LL BE DISCUSSING ALL OF THE SIGNS OF THE TIMES, AND ALL 57:42 OF THE TERRIBLE EVENTS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKING PLACE THT TELL US 57:46 JESUS IS COMING SOON. JOIN US. 57:47 ♪ |
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