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00:01 ♪ I WANT TO SPEND MY LIFE ♪ ♪ SPEND MY LIFE ♪
00:07 ♪ MENDING BROKEN PEOPLE ♪ ♪ I WANT TO SPEND MY LIFE, 00:22 REMOVING PAIN ♪ ♪ LORD, LET MY WORDS ♪ 00:26 ♪ LET MY WORDS ♪ ♪ HEAL UP HEARTS THAT HURT ♪ 00:34 ♪ I WANT TO SPEND MY LIFE ♪ ♪ MENDING BROKEN PEOPLE ♪ 00:45 ♪ I WANT TO SPEND MY LIFE ♪ ♪ MENDING BROKEN PEOPLE ♪ 01:07 >> HELLO AND WELCOME TO THURSDAY NIGHT HERE AT 3ABN. 01:10 YOU KNOW THIS IS THE TIME THAT EVERYONE LOKS FORWARD TO, BUT 01:13 IF YOU TURNED TO THIS CHANNEL FOR THE FIRST TIME, DON'T CHANGE 01:17 THE CHANNEL. THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT YOU 01:21 CANNOT AFFORD TO MISS. 500 YEARS IN THE MAKING FOR THIS 01:25 PROGRAM TONIGHT. AND WE HAVE WITH US SOMEONE THAT 01:29 I KNOW IS GOING TO DO DILIGENCE AND JUSTICE TO WHAT THE LORD HAS 01:34 CALLED HIM TO, AND WE SHARE THAT, I'M JOHN LOMACANG, AND WE 01:43 HAVE PASTOR JOHN BRADSHAW HERE. IT'S A PRIVILEGE THAT WE HAVE 01:48 ALLOWED THE LORD TO SYNCHRONIZE THIS MOMENT FOR THE TOPIC ABOUT 01:53 THE PROTESTANT REFORMATION. IN JUST A MOMENT I'M GOING TO 02:00 ELEASE PASTOR JOHN BRADSHAW SO SHARE WITH YOU ALL OF THE THINGS 02:05 HE HAS BEEN COMPILING IN VIDEO AND PICTURES, AND THERE IS AN 02:09 EXCITING SURROUNDS SURROUNDING THE PROTESTANT REFORMATION. 02:14 WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT A PROTESTANT IS, AND WHY IT IS SO 02:19 SIGNIFICANT TODAY TO UNDERSTAND THE PRINCIPALS, AND THE ENTIRE 02:28 MISSION BEHIND THE PRO PRO REFORMATION. 02:31 BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT, WE KEEP GROWING AND 02:35 GROWING AS WE GET READY FOR THE COMING OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR 02:40 JESUS CHRIST. BEFORE WE GO INTO THE PROGRAM, 02:44 WE ALWAYS HAVE WONDERFUL MUSIC, AND TONIGHT OUR VERY OWN ET 02:47 EVERETT IS GOING TO PLAY A SONG ENTITLED "BECAUSE HE LIVE." 02:53 ♪ 06:03 ♪ 06:54 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ET FOR THAT WONDERFUL SONG, "BECAUSE HE 07:01 LIVES." AND TO PIGGY BACK OFF OF THAT 07:04 VERY TITLE, "BECAUSE HE LIVES," THIS PROGRAM IS IMPORTANT. 07:08 IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT DENOMINATIONALISM VERSUS 07:12 PROTESTANTISM, BUT THE HEARTBEAT OF THE -- THE MESSAGE OF JESUS, 07:16 WHY IT'S SO VITALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES OF THE 07:20 DAY. AND PASTOR JOHN BRADSHAW GOOD TO 07:23 HAVE YOU HERE TONIGHT. >> GOOD TO BE HERE, JOHN. 07:27 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> SOMEBODY MIGHT BE WATCHING OR 07:31 LISTENING TO THIS SHOW, BUT THEY MAY SAY I DON'T KNOW WHO JOHN 07:43 BRADSHAW IS. SO GIVE US AN INTRODUCTION. 07:45 >> I'LL TELL YOU WHO IS NOT. I HAD A LADY WHO CAME OUT TO SEE 07:57 JOHN BRADSHAW, HE WROTE LOTS OF BOOKS, AND PEOPLE WOULD SOMETIME 08:01 READ MY NAME AND SAY, OH, JOHN BRADSHAW, SO SHE CAME OUT HER 08:05 AND HER SON, AND THEY WERE JUST SO -- SHE WAS RATHER SORRY CREST 08:13 FALLEN THAT I WAS JOHN BRADSHAW AND NOT JOHN BRADSHAW. 08:16 BUT SHE HAPPENED TO LIKE WHAT SHE WAS HEARING AND HUNG AROUND 08:23 LONG ENOUGH TO BE BAPTIZED IN THE END. 08:26 SO I'M JOHN BRADSHAW. NOT JOHN BRADSHAW. 08:28 >> THE SPEAKER AND DIRECTOR OF IT IS WRITTEN. 08:31 >> YEAH, WHAT A BLESSING TO BE PART OF THAT ORGANIZATION. 08:36 STARTED 61 YEARS AGO FOR THE PURPOSE OF ADDING IMPETUS TO 08:43 SHARING EVANGELISM. AND THAT'S WHERE WE FIND OUR 08:54 SELVES TODAY. IT'S FUN, AND IT'S EXCITING, AND 08:58 I GET TO WORK WITH A WONDERFUL TEAM OF PEOPLE, AND I THANK GOD. 09:01 >> AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR MINISTRY VERY MUCH HERE AT 3ABN. 09:05 >> TAKE YOU. >> YOU HAVE BEEN A PART OF OUR 09:08 FAMILY, WE ARE JUST EXCITED ABOUT WHAT GOD HAS DONE IN YOUR 09:14 LIFE. BUT IT'S AMAZING, AND I -- IT 09:21 WOULD BE IRONIC, BUT IT IS WRITTEN IS YOUR MINISTRY, AND 09:28 YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PROTESTANTISM. 09:31 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> WHAT IS PROTESTANTISM? 09:35 >> WELL, FOR SOME CONTEXT, IT WAS 500 YEARS AGO THIS YEAR ON 09:40 THE 31ST OF OCTOBER, 1517 THAT A YOUNG GERMAN, AT THE TIME HE WAS 09:46 A COLLEGE UNIVERSITY LECTURER, MARTIN LUTHER NAILED 95 POINTS 09:53 OF PROTEST TO THE DOOR OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AT WITTENBERG, 10:01 GERMANY. THEY WERE PROTESTS ABOUT SOME OF 10:03 THE TEACHINGS OR POSITIONS OR ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE CHURCH OF 10:08 ROME AND IN PARTICULAR BY THE POPE. 10:12 THAT WAS THE GENESIS OF WHAT BECAME THE PROTESTANT 10:19 REFORMATION. UP UNTIL THEN THERE WAS JUST ONE 10:22 CHURCH, THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.-AND IT'S REALLY INTERESTING IF 10:27 YOU LOOK AT THE PREAMBLE TO THE 95 THESIS, HE KNEW IT WAS 10:40 STIRRING UP THE BED. AND HE WRITES AS MUCH. 10:43 I'M WRITING THESE FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSION AND 10:46 DEBATE. SO HE KNEW ON THE EVE OF ALL 10:50 SAINT'S DAY. PEOPLE WOULD BE COMING TO THIS 10:52 BIG CHURCH. THEY WOULD READ IT. 10:55 A CROWD WOULD GATHER. THEY WOULD START TALKING, WHAT 10:59 DO YOU THINK HE MEANS? THAT'S WHA HE WAS TRYING TO 11:05 ENGENDER. BUT THE POINT WAS, THERE WAS A 11:10 PROTEST ABOUT -- LET'S BOIL IT DOWN, ABOUT THE MISTEACHINGS OF 11:16 THE CHURCH OF ROME. ONE WAS SOME OF THE THINGS THEY 11:19 WERE DOING, SOME OF THE WAYS THEY WERE ACTING, BUT THE CORE 11:24 OF IT WAS WHAT THEY WERE TEACHING. 11:26 LUTHER SET OUT TO RECLAIM THE GOSPEL. 11:29 THE GOSPEL HAD BEEN LOST BY ROME. 11:32 SO A PROTESTANT IN THAT TRADITION WOULD BE SOMBODY WHO 11:37 IN THAT PROTESTING TRADITION STANDS FOR THE TRUTH OF THE 11:42 BIBLE, PROTESTS ERROR, AND CHAMPIONS FOR THE GOSPEL OF 11:47 JESUS CHRIST TO BE PROCLAIMED IN ITS BEAUTY AND FULLNESS. 11:51 >> AND AT THAT TIME, WHEN YOU SAID THERE WAS JUST ONE CHURCH, 11:56 IF YOU REWIND A LITTLE BIT, UNDER THE APPOINTING OF APO 12:05 APOSTLES, BUT AS THEY DEEGAN TO DIE AWAY, THE CHURCH BECAME MORE 12:12 RECLUSE, AND GRADUALLY THROUGH THE PERSECUTION OF THE JEWS AND 12:16 THE CHRISTIANS, BEGAN TO PUT THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH AT A DEFENSE 12:21 WHEN ROME BEGAN TO GROW, SO BY THE TIME MARTIN LUTHER CAME ON 12:26 THE SCENE, THE CHURCH OF ROME WAS AT ITS PINNACLE OF ITS 12:33 STRENGTH. >> IT WAS. 12:34 AND ROME HAD COMPROMISED WITH PAGANISM, TRADITION -- HAD 12:43 FLOODED INTO THE CHURCH. PEOPLE WERE NOW LOOKING AT THE 12:47 CHURCH ITSELF AS A VEHICLE OF SALVATION. 12:50 NOT SIMPLY THE VEHICLE FOR A MESSAGE THAT GOD WOULD WORK 12:53 THROUGH. THE CHURCH PLACED ITSELF IN A 12:56 POSITION WHERE IF YOU WANT SALVATION, YOU COME TO US. 13:00 WE ARE WHERE YOU WILL FIND SALVATION. 13:03 NOW -- AND LET ME SAY THIS, JOHN, IT'S VERY NUANCED, I'M A 13:09 FORMER ROMAN CATHOLIC, SO I KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT SITTING ON HARD 13:13 PEWS IN A ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, AND IF YOU ASK ONE CATHOLIC HIS 13:19 OR HER VERSION IT WILL DIFFER FROM ANOTHERS, AND THEN THE 13:23 PRIEST AND PERHAPS THE POPE, AND THEN WHAT IS THE OFFICIAL WORD? 13:27 BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, THE CHURCH MAINTAINED -- AND 13:32 MAINTAINS THAT FULL SALVATION IS FOUND IN THE FELLOWSHIP WITH THE 13:36 ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. SO WITH THE CHURCH OF ROAM 13:41 MAINTAINING THAT S SOL -- SALVATION IS ONLY FOUND 13:47 IN ITS OWN MEMBERSHIP, WHAT WE FIND DOWN HERE IN -- THIS LATE 13:52 IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, THAT MOST PEOPLE HAVE ABSOLUTELY 13:56 FORGOTTEN THAT THERE WAS A REFORMATION, WHY THERE WAS A 14:01 REFORMATION, AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT EVEN MANY CHRISTIANS, IF 14:04 YOU TALK THROUGH WITH THEM, THE PRINCIPALS, THEY WOULD SHUG 14:08 THEIR SHOULDERS AND SAY -- IN FACT LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. 14:23 WE HAVE AN EVENT COMING UP. WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT IT. 14:26 >> OKAY. >> WE ARE IN BELGIUM WHERE THE 14:32 ENGLISH BIBLE TRANSLATOR WILLIAM TRENDALE DIED. 14:44 AND THERE IS REALLY A NEAT LITTLE MUSEUM ABOUT WILLIAM 14:57 TRENDALE. AND I WAS FASCINATED TO FIND OUT 15:00 WHERE THEY STAND THEOLOGICALLY. BECAUSE HE WAS A REFORM,ER, AND 15:05 HE AIMED A LOT OF HIS ENERGIES AT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. 15:12 IT WAS CORRUPT. SO I SAID TO HIM, SO YOU ARE 15:16 PROTESTANTS, LIKE WILLIAM. >> YES, ABSOLUTELY, WE'RE 15:21 PROTESTANTS. I SAID WHERE DO YOU COME DOWN 15:23 THEOLOGICALLY WITH REGARD TO THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, FOR 15:26 INSTANCE IN DO YOU AGREE WITH -WILLIAM'S POSITION. AND HE STOPPED AND THOUGHT ABOUT 15:31 THAT. AND I SAID YOU KNOW,WILLIAM 15:34 STUDIED THE BOOKS OF REVELATION IN DANIEL, AND LOOKING IN THE 15:38 BACK OF DANIEL, CLAIM TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE VATICAN CITY 15:43 WAS THE ANTICHRIST OF BIBLE PROPHECY. 15:46 >> RIGHT. >> I KNOW IF YOU ARE HEARING 15:50 THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS IS SHOCKING. 15:55 BUT HE BELIEVED THAT THE CHURCH OF ROAM WAS ANTICHRIST. 15:58 WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE? I MEAN THESE GUYS ARE FLYING THE 16:03 FLAG FOR HIM. THEY HI HE IS A HERO. 16:06 AND HE WAS. AND THEY SAID, OH, NO, THAT'S 16:09 ANCIENT HISTORY. WE DON'T BOTHER WITH THAT NOW. 16:13 WELL, WHY NOT? AND HE SAID, OUR CHALLENGE HERE 16:16 IN BELGIUM IS ISLAM, AND THAT'S A CHALLENGE THAT ALL CHRISTIAN 16:22 CHURCHES FACE, WHETHER YOU ARE CATHOLIC OR PROTESTANT OR 16:26 WHATEVER. SO WE WORK TOGETHER. 16:28 WE FORGET ABOUT THAT. THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT TO US. 16:32 NOW I'M NOT SUGGESTING HOW THE FELLOW OUGHT TO BE ACTING, BUT 16:37 I'M SAYING EVEN A PERSON WORKING AT A MUSEUM DEDICATED TO THE 16:43 LIFE OF AN OUTSTANDING PROTESTANT REFORM, HAS FORGOTTEN 16:49 THE KEY. >> AND I MENTIONED IT IS WRITTEN 16:52 IS SO SYNONYMOUS TO THIS TOPIC BECAUSE THE CATAPULT OF 17:00 PROTESTANTISM WAS THE BIBLE AND THE BIBLE ONLY. 17:02 SO THE PREMISE WOULD BE, IF YOU ARE A PROTESTANT, IF YOU ARE A 17:08 PROTESTANT, THEN YOUR BELIEFS SHOULD BE BASED ON THE BIBLE AND 17:11 THE BIBLE ONLY. >> CORRECT. 17:13 THE QUESTION THAT LUTHER REALLY -WAS DEALING WITH, WAS THE QUESTION OF HOW IS A PERSON 17:20 SAVED? JUSTIFICATION. 17:24 INDULGENCES. PURGATORY. 17:25 THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH. THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE. 17:28 THIS IS WHAT LUTHER WAS AIMING AT. 17:31 AND FOR LUTHER IT WAS ALL ABOUT GETTING PEOPLE BACK TO THE 17:35 BIBLE. LET'S BACK UP A LITTLE BIT. 17:39 1300S, THE ENGLISH BIBLE TRANSLATOR, TRANSLATED THE BIBLE 17:42 INTO ENGLISH. IT WAS QUICKLY OBSOLETE, BECAUSE-THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE CHANGED. 17:49 AND OF COURSE HE INSPIRED JOHN HUSS WHO IN BOEHEIMIA SPREAD 17:58 PROTESTANT IDEAS. SO WHAT WAS HIS BURDEN TO GET 18:02 THE BIBLE INTO THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE, OR GET THE BIBLE WRITTEN 18:10 IN A WAY THAT PEOPLE COULD UNDERSTAND IT. 18:14 JOHN HUSS, 100 YEARS AFTER HUSS, WILLIAM TINDALE CAME ALONG. 18:30 IT IS SO FASCINATING, ISN'T IT, THAT JUST BEFORE THIS TIME WAS 18:38 WHEN JOHANEST GUTTENBERG INVENTED THE PRINTING PRESS. 18:46 AND THAT ALLOWED THEM TO PRINT TRACKS AND TRACKS. 18:49 AND LUTHER WAS SHARING IDEAS AND THOUGHTS AND SO ON, AND GETTING 18:53 THEM AROUND. SO AS YOU SAY, IT'S ABOUT THE 18:56 BIBLE. AGAIN, YOU, YOU KNOW, WE'RE 18:59 LOOKING AT 500 YEARS AGO. BUT WHAT ABOUT TODAY? 19:03 IT'S ABLE THE BIBLE. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 19:08 >> THE SUPREMACY AND AUTHORITY OF THE BIBLE. 19:12 HOW IS IT TO BE UNDERSTOOD? SHOULD IT BE SOLO, OR IN 19:18 ADDITION TO TRADITION AND THE TEACHINGS OF THE FATHERS AND SO 19:21 FORTH. >> AND AS YOU KNOW, TRADITION 19:24 WAS EVENTUALLY THE CHALLENGE TO THE SCRIPTURES, TO IT IS 19:30 WRITTEN, THUS SAITH THE LORD. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 19:33 >> AND GRADUALLY THE CHURCH CONTINUED TO ELEVATE TRADITION 19:37 UNTIL IT WAS ON SUCH PAR WITH THE BIBLE THAT COULDN'T TELL 19:45 WHERE SCRIPTURE BEGAN. AND THEN THEY CLAIMED THAT 19:50 TRADITION WAS ABOVE THE BIBLE. >> YOU HAVE NO OPTION IF YOU ARE 19:55 THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, YOU HAVE TO. 19:58 IF YOU ARE GOING DOWN THIS ROAD, YOU SIMPLY HAVE TO SAY, 20:01 TRADITION IS ABOVE THE BIBLE, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T MAKE THAT 20:05 STATEMENT, THEN THE BIBLE NEGATES YOUR TRADITION. 20:07 >> AND THAT IS A POSITION, IF I CAN BRING IT BACK TO TODAY, THAT 20:11 IS STILL HELD BY THE PRESENT POPE. 20:14 BECAUSE POPE FRANCIS SAID THAT -- THIS IS AMAZING. 20:17 THE WORD OF GOD SUPERSEDES THE BIBLE. 20:20 NOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN OXYMORON. 20:24 >> SURE. >> THE WORD OF GOD SUPERSEDES 20:26 THE BIBLE. THIS IS A RECENT ARTICLE. 20:29 WHAT IS MEANT BY THAT IS THE WORD OF GOD AS CONVEYED BY THE 20:35 CHURCH OF ROME SUPERSEDES THE BIBLE. 20:38 AS WE GIVE IT WINGS, WHAT WE SAY, SUPERSEDES THE BIBLE. 20:42 THAT'S AN ODD THING BUT THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED. 20:45 >> SO IF YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN TODAY, AND YOU HEAR THE MOST 20:50 POWERFUL CHRISTIAN LEADER IN THE WORLD SAY OUR TRADITION IS ABOVE 20:55 THE BIBLE, IF YOU HEAR THE MOST POWERFUL POLITICIAN IN THE 21:01 WORLD, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE POPE IS, SAY OUR WORD IS ABOVE 21:05 THE WORD OF GOD, YOU KNOW, HE IS SAYING -- HE IS SAYING GOD GAVE 21:09 US THIS RIGHT. HE IS SAYING GOD DELIVERED THIS 21:12 TO US, SO WE ARE JUST DOING WHAT GOD WANTS US TO DO. 21:17 THAT'S FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE. IF YOU ARE A PROTESTANT, IF YOU 21:20 ARE A BAPTIST, METHODIST, NAZARENE, NON-DENOMINATIONAL 21:29 CHRISTIAN, SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, 21:31 YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO THIS WITH ALARM, AND SAY JUST A MOMENT THE 21:37 MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE WORLD HAS TAKEN THE BIBLE AND 21:41 ESSENTIALLY TRASHED IT, BY SAYING THAT GOD IS SPEAKING 21:45 THROUGH THE CHURCH THROUGH THE -pFATHERS. SO SAY THAT IS ABOVE THE BIBLE, 21:50 IT IS FRIGHTENING. >> IT IS, BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE 22:00 THE FOUNDATION.-SO WHAT IS PROTESTANTISM AND WHY IS THE WORD CHISTIAN NOT 22:05 SUFFICIENT TO IDENTIFY CHRISTIANITY TODAY, BECAUSE 22:09 CHRISTIANITY AND -- CHRISTIANITY, IT DEPENDS 22:11 ON WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 22:14 >> YOU MENTIONED METHODIST AND THE WHOLE LIST GOES ON, 22:20 DENOMINATIONALISM, AND PROTESTANTISM ARE NOT 22:23 SYNONYMOUS. WE TALKED ABOUT THE MODIFIERS IN 22:29 MATH. THE MODIFYING FACTOR IS WHERE 22:32 DOES THE CHURCH OF ROME FIT INTO THIS SCENARIO, AND HAS ITS 22:39 CHANGED ITS POSITION TO ALLOW THE BIBLE TO BE ABOVE IT. 22:45 SO IF YOU THINK OF IT PROTESTANTISM BEGAN OUT OF A 22:49 PROTEST. AND THERE WERE 95 PROTESTS. 22:51 >> OH, YEAH. >> NOT ONE. 22:54 >> THAT'S CORRECT. AND A FEW YEARS AGO A YOUNG MAN 22:57 THAT SAID -- HIS NAME ESCAPES ME AT THE PRESENT TIME, BUT HE 23:02 SPOKE TO KENNETH COPELAND, AND HE SAID -- HIS NAME WILL COME TO 23:06 ME IN A MOMENT -- HE SAYS I COME AS A VICE TO UNITED STATES 23:11 PROTESTANTS, BECAUSE WE NO LONGER BELIEVE THAT SALVATION IS 23:15 BY WORKS, BUT SALVATION IS FOR WORKS. 23:19 >> YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE BISHOP TONY PARMER, WHO SAID 23:24 FAMOUSLY, LUTHER'S PROTEST IS OVER. 23:27 IS YOURS? >> HUM. 23:29 >> I DON'T KNOW QUITE WHAT DROVE THE MAN, BUT HE WAS COMMITTING 23:34 TO NEGATING THE PROTESTANT REFORMATION. 23:38 THESE PEOPLE WERE PROTESTING. OF COURSE THE CHURCH 500 YEARS 23:44 AGO IS VERY DIFFERENT TO WHAT IT IS TODAY. 23:50 TODAY THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS A BEN EF LENT CHURCH. 24:03 THE POPE STANDINGS FOR SOME VERY, VERY GOOD PRINCIPALS. 24:09 IT SEEMS TO DO MUCH IN THE WORLD THAT IS REALLY VERY GOOD 24:17 STANDINGS STRIDE DANTLY AGAINST ABORTION. 24:19 SO THERE IS THAT, BUT 500 YEARS AGO, THE CHURCH DIDN'T HAVE A 24:25 CHARITABLE BONE IN ITS BODY. THEY FLEECED THE POOR, STOLE 24:28 FROM THE POOR, LIED TO THE POOR, AND THEY USED THEIR SALVATION 24:35 THAT THEY OFFERED TO PEOPLE AS A WEAPON, AS A THREAT. 24:41 IMAGINE BEING IN PRAGUE WHEN JOHN HUSS WAS MINISTERING, AND 24:48 THE CITY WAS PLACED UNDER INTERDEKT. 24:55 THAT'S THE POPE SAYING WE HAVE LOCKED YOU OUT OF HEAVEN, YOU 24:58 CAN'T RECEIVE THE SACKMENTS, WE HAVE LOCKED YOU OUT. 25:02 THIS WOULD STRIKE TERROR INTO THE HEART OF PEOPLE. 25:05 AND THIS WAS -- OF COURSE THERE WAS NO SUCH, THE CHURCH CAN'T 25:11 PUT ANYBODY UNDER INTERSDICT. IT WAS A REALLY FASCINATING 25:25 TIME. MARTIN LUTHER AND OTHERS WOULD 25:30 COMPOS THINGS CALLED NEWS BALLOTS. 25:37 NEWS BALLOTS, LITTLE SONGS. THEY WOULD WRITE POEMS, PUT THEM 25:41 TO POPULAR TUNES OF THE DAY, AND SING THEM. 25:44 AND IN THAT WAY EVEN THE IGNORANT PEOPLE COULD LEARN THE 25:50 NEWS BALLOTS AND GIVE THEM TO PEOPLE. 25:53 SO THESE NEWS BALLOTS WOULD BE SUNG HERE AND THERE. 26:02 LUTHER HAD A HAPPY KNACK OF REALLY BEING ABLE TO CUT WITH 26:07 HIS TONGUE. THAT'S NOT ALWAYS GOOD. 26:10 BUT NEVERTHELESS -- IT SAYS NOW -- OH, I'LL TELL YOU, IT'S 26:14 FROM A SONG CALLED -- NO IT'S NOT FROM A SONG. 26:18 IT'S BASED ON THE TUNE OF SOMETHING CALLED NOW WE DRIVE 26:22 OUT WINTER. NOW WE DRIVE OUT WINTER. 26:30 IN GERMAN [ SPEAKING GERMAN ] . 26:34 NOW WE DRIVE OUT THE POPE. NOW WE DRIVE OUT THE POPE FROM 26:39 CHRIS'S CHURCH AND GOD'S HOUSE. THERE IN HE HAS REIGNED IN AN 26:44 UNGODLY FASHION. MOVE ALONG YOUR DAMN SON, YOUR 26:48 HORROR OF BABYLON, YOU ARE THE ABOMINATION AND ANTICHRIST, FULL 26:55 OF DEATH, LIES AND CUNNING. >> AND HE PUT THAT TO MUSIC? 26:58 >> AND THEY WOULD SING IT SHARE IT AROUND. 27:02 NOW LET ME SAY THIS TOO, JOHN, WHEN WE WATCH THIS SERIES ON 27:08 3ABN 500, WE'RE NOT ON A TIRADE AGAINST THE CHURCH. 27:12 WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS HISTORICALLY, AND BIBLICALLY AND 27:18 MAKING PRESENT-DAY APPLICATIONS. THERE IS VERY LITTLE NEED FOR US 27:21 TO BE SINGING SONGS LIKE NOW WE DRIVE OUT THE POPE. 27:30 >> RIGHT. >> I THINK IN LUTHER'S TIME IT 27:34 WAS PROBABLY NECESSARY. BECAUSE THE CHURCH WAS -OPPRESSIVE, AND IT WAS A PRTTY 27:40 BRUTAL ORGANIZATION, BURNING PEOPLE AT THE STAKE, STRANGLING 27:47 PEOPLE, ST. PETER'S BASILICA WAS BUILT AT LEAST IN PART BY THE 27:54 SALE OF INDULGENCES, SO IT'S DIFFERENT TODAY. 27:57 SO I THINK -- I WANT TO COUNSEL AND CAUTION AGAINST GOING AND 28:03 MAKING SHARP THRUSTS AGAINST PEOPLE WHO SEE THINGS 28:06 DIFFERENTLY. WE CAN JUST POINT PEOPLE TO 28:09 JESUS AND SHARE THE GOSPEL, BECAUSE ALTHOUGH LUTHER WAS 28:12 GUNNING FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WERE GUNNING FOR HIM, REALLY, HE 28:16 WAS -- ATTEMPTING TO RECLAIM THE GOSPEL. 28:19 >> UH-HUH. >> IT WAS REALLY ABOUT GETTING 28:21 PEOPLE BACK TO THE GOOD NEWS OF SALVATION BY GRACE ALONE, 28:26 THROUGH FAITH ALONE, AND CHRIST ALONE. 28:29 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> SO THAT'S OUR FOCUS TODAY. 28:31 >> BUT NOT -- NOT -- NOT IGNORING THE HISTORICAL TREK OF 28:38 THE CHURCH. >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT 28:40 WE DON'T IGNORE THAT. >> RIGHT. 28:43 >> ONE THING PEOPLE CAN SAY, IS OH, PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES, AND 28:47 WE'RE SORRY ABOUT THE PAST. BUT THE CHARACTER OF THE CHURCH 28:52 THEN HELPS YOU UNDERSTAND SOMETHING ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF 28:54 THE CHURCH NOW. THE AIMS OF THE CHURCH HAVE NOT 28:58 CHANGED. THE TEACHINGS OF THE CHURCH HAVE 29:00 NOT CHANGED. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 29:03 >> NOW IT'S THE TEACHINGS OF THE CHURCH WHEN YOU UNITE THAT 29:07 CHURCH WITH THE POWER OF THE STATE THAT MAKE THE CHURCH WHAT 29:10 IT WAS 500 YEARS AGO. REMEMBER, WE OWN SALVATION, YOU 29:15 GET IT FROM US. ONCE WE HAVE THE STATE TIED UP 29:18 TOGETHER, WE CAN COMPEL YOU IN CERTAIN DIRECTIONS. 29:23 THE CHURCH STILL BELIEVES [ INAUDIBLE ] THE CHUCH WOULD 29:25 LIKE TO, I BELIVE, UNITE WITH THE POWER OF THE STATE AGAIN. 29:29 WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO. IN FACT IF YOU LOOK IN THE BOOK 29:34 OF REVELATION, WE FINE SOME FASCINATING THINGS IN THAT 29:41 REGARD. >> UH-HUH. 29:42 >> SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY, IT REALLY REVEALS, I 29:47 THINK, THE TRUE MOTIVES OF A CHURCH CHA HAS MANAGED TO CLOTHE 29:52 ITSELF IN FEAR CLOTHING, BUT STRIP AWAY THE OUTER GARMENTS, 29:57 AND YOU WILL SEE PLENTY TO ALARM YOU. 30:00 >> SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE PROTESTANT REFORMATION, IN THE 30:05 CONTEXT OF THE PROTESTANT REFORMATION, THIS 500-YEAR-OLD 30:10 SPLIT FROM ROME, THE LAST THREE POPES, AND I USE THAT 30:14 CONTEXT -- POPE JOHN PAUL II, POPE BENEDICT, AND NOW POPE 30:21 FRANCIS. AND THE CALL WAS CHRISTIAN 30:24 UNITY. JEWS, PROTESTANTS, ANGLICANS, 30:31 IT'S TIME TO UNITE AGAIN. BUT THE UNITY IS NOT BASED ON 30:35 THE SCRIPTURES, BUT BASED ON THE AUTHORITY TO ROME. 30:39 SO IT TAKES YOU BACK TO THE SAME PREMISE OF THE PROTESTANT 30:45 REFORMATION, THE REASON WHY THE PROTESTANT REFORMATION WAS 30:49 CATAPULTED VIA THE AUTHORITY OF ROME. 30:52 >> YES. >> IT'S GET TOGETHER UNDER THE 30:56 RECOGNITION OF THE CONTINUAL AUTHORITY OF ROME. 31:00 >> YEAH, WHEN I WAS A KID, I WAS RAISED, AS I MENTIONED EARLER 31:07 AS A ROMAN CATHOLIC. AND A GROUP OF US IN MY -- IN MY 31:12 CHURCH -- IN MY TOWN, WHICH DIDN'T LIKE THIS. 31:17 WE WERE BEING INVITED TO THIS SERVICE. 31:21 WE DON'T WANT TO, BECAUSE ALL OF THOSE FOLKS WERE GOING TO HELL. 31:27 WHY WOULD WE DO THAT FOR? SEVERAL OF US WERE TALKING TO 31:30 THE PRIEST ONE DAY, AND WE SAID HELP US UNDERSTAND THIS ECUISM. 31:44 AND I SAID I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE. 31:50 HE SAID DON'T WORY, THERE WILL BE CHANGE, BUT IT WON'T BE US. 31:54 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> IT'S INTRESTING, ONE OF THE 31:57 SCHOLARS THAT WE INTERVIEW IN OUR SERIES 500 STUDIES AT A 32:04 UNIVERSITY IN GENEVA, SWITZERLAND, AND FOR DECADES 32:11 NOW, THIS INSTITUTION HAS BEEN ACCEPTING STUDENTS FROM MANY, 32:15 MANY, MANY DIFFERENT CHRISTIAN BACKGROUNDS, AND INCULCATING IN 32:19 THEM THE PRINCIPALS OF EX-CUMINISM. 32:25 SO FOR DECADES NOW, LEADERS IN MANY DIFFERENT CHRISTIAN 32:31 FELLOWSHIPS HAVE BEEN SPOON FED THE DOCUMENT OF ECUMINISM. 32:39 >> DESCRIBE THAT FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT HEARD THAT WORD BEFORE. 32:43 >> IT SEEKS TO BRING CHURCHES TOGETHER IN UNITY. 32:48 MAN, THERE IS A LOT ABOUT UNITY, OF COURSE. 32:51 IF I'M A PASTOR IN A TOWN, AND I HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, AS YOU 32:56 HAVE, WE DON'T WANT TO BE AT WAR WITH ANYBODY. 32:59 WE WANT TO WAL SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH OUR CHRISTIAN 33:03 BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF WHATEVER DENOMINATION AS FAR AS WE CAN. 33:07 THERE IS A LOT THAT WE COULD MAYBE LEARN FROM EACH OTHER, BUT 33:14 IT SEEKS TO BRING EVERYBODY TOGETHER ULTIMATELY 33:22 TO -- FOCUSING NOT ON WHAT DIVIDES, BUT ON WHAT UNITED. 33:29 SO IN OTHER WORDS JUST FORGET ABOUT YOUR DOCTRINAL 33:38 SINGULAIRTIES. BECAUSE THAT'S DIVISIVE. 33:40 LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT JESUS. WHICH, I MEAN, AGAIN, HOW DO YOU 33:46 ARGUE THAT? LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT THE CROSS 33:49 AND FORGET ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE. 33:51 EXCEPT THE GOSPEL TAKES YOU TO THESE OTHER THINGS. 33:54 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> AND ALSO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 33:57 UNITY AND UL TIM MAYLY UNITY UNDER THE POPE WHEN THE 34:02 LUTHERANS HAVE BEEN BIDDEN TO COME BACK AND UNITE WITH ROME, 34:06 IT'S AS LON AS YOU WILL RECOGNIZE THE AUTHORITY OF THE 34:11 POPE OF ROME. >> HUM. 34:13 >> VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, THAT. SO MARTIN LUTHER SAID WE WILL 34:19 NOT RECOGNIZE THAT AUTHORITY. THE POPE DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT 34:22 TO ELEVATE HIS LAWS ABOVE LAWS TODAY. 34:25 THE POPE DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO GRANT OR SELL INDULGENCES, 34:31 AND LET'S BE SURE WE COME BACK TO THAT, BECAUSE THOSE 34:34 INDULGENCES THAT LIEUTENANT PROER TESTED ABOUT THEN EXIST 34:38 TODAY. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 34:39 >> VERY MUCH SO. >> UH-HUH. 34:43 >> LIEUTENANT WAS ALL ABOUT SAYING THE CHURCH DOESN'T HAVE 34:47 AUTHORITY, CHRIST HAS AUTHORITY. >> EVEN TO FORGIVE SIN? 34:52 >> WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT LET'S STOP AND THING ABOUT WHAT 34:55 THIS MEANS. THAT WE WOULD RECOGNIZE THE 34:58 AUTHORITY OF A CHURCH THAT CLAIMS THE PREROGATIVE TO BE 35:02 ABLE TO FORGIVE SIN. NOW, AGAIN, I SAID THIS IS 35:09 NUANCED, THE CHURCH WILL SAY, OH, GOD FORGIVES, WE MERELY PASS 35:13 ON THE FORGIVENESS. THERE'S PRECIOUS LITTLE 35:17 DIFFERENCE. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT'S 35:20 STILL UNTRUE, AND IT'S STILL UNBIBLICAL. 35:25 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> YOU STILL HAVE TO GO TO THE 35:28 PRIEST TO HAVE SIN DISPENSED. THERE IS ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN 35:35 GOD AND MEN, THE MAN CHRIST JESUS. 35:38 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> SO WE'RE DEALING WITH 35:43 MONSTROSITIES, WE'RE DEALING WITH HERS ARESY OF THE WORST 35:51 KIND. THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO THE 35:56 FATHER, THAT'S THROUGH JESUS CHRIST. 35:59 >> THAT'S RIGHT. LET ME ADD TO THAT, AND EVEN 36:03 CLARIFY -- NOT THAT IT NEEDS CLARIFICATION, BUT WE'RE NOT 36:07 TALKING ABOUT SPLITTING HAIRS. >> NO, WE'RE NOT. 36:10 >> WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 36:14 WHAT I BELIEVE, AND WHAT YOU BELIEVE. 36:16 THIS IS BASED ON THE AUTHORITY OF GOD'S WORD, AS COMPARED TO A 36:24 MONOLITHIC INSTITUTION OF MORE THAN A BILLION STRONG, AND MOST 36:27 OF MY FAMILY IS CATHOLIC. SO WE ARE NOT SPEAKING AGAINST 36:31 CAT -- CATHOLICS. THIS WAS A SYSTEM THAT WAS 36:39 ADOPTED BY ROME. THE WORD CATHOLIC MEANS 36:43 UNIVERSAL. SO ROME CONSIDERS ITSELF AS A 36:48 UNIVERSAL POWER. ROME CATHOLICISM, THE UNIVERSAL 36:56 CHURCH OF ROME. BUT FOR THOSE WHO ADHERE TO 36:59 THESE BELIEVES DO RECOGNIZE THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE. 37:03 >> TOUGH QUESTION. AND THIS IS ABOUT THE GOSPEL. 37:06 >> RIGHT. >> THE GOSPEL SAYS SALVATION IS 37:11 BY GRACE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST. WHEN PAUL WROTE TO THE 37:18 GALATIANS, HE SAID I MARVEL THAT YOU HAVE MOVED TO ANOTHER GAS 37:24 PELL. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 37:26 >> THIS IS PRETTY BIG STUFF. EITHER JESUS SAVES YOU OR THE 37:31 POPE SAVES YOU. IT'S EITHER CHRIST THROUGH 37:35 FAITH, OR CHRIST THROUGH PENANCE AND THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH 37:39 GRANTED ULTIMATELY BY THE POPE. >> OKAY. 37:42 NOW I WANT TO TRANSITION TO TALK ABOUT YOUR SERIES, BUT LET ME 37:46 JUST TRANSITION -- OR -- OR TO THAT TOPIC BY ASKING THE 37:50 QUESTION, SO WHY IS PROTESTANTISM TODAY STILL 37:58 NECESSARY? >> MAN, IT'S HARD TO FIND A 38:01 PROTESTANT NOW. >> OKAY. 38:02 >> THERE ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. 38:05 WHY IS PROTESTANTISM NECESSARY TODAY? 38:07 BECAUSE THE GOSPEL IS NECESSARY TODAY. 38:09 >> OKAY. >> THE GOSPEL -- THE GOSPEL HAS 38:13 GOT TO THE WORLD BEFORE JESUS COMES BACK, JESUS SAID. 38:18 NOT PROTESTANTISM OBSCURES THE GOSPEL. 38:21 THE PROTESTANTS STOOD FOR THE GOSPEL IN THE FACE OF ERROR. 38:25 >> UH-HUH. >> ALSO WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS THE 38:29 MONOLITHIC CHURCH THAT YOU SPOKE OF, GAINING IN POWER AND 38:33 PRESTIGE, SEEKING TO CALL THE WORLD BACK TO ITSELF. 38:37 A CHURCH THAT CLAIMS TRUE SALVATION IS FOUND IN IT. 38:41 NOW YOU MIGHT SAY, JUST -- LET PEOPLE BE, BUT WHEN I SAY 38:47 PROTESTANTISM IS NECESSARY TODAY, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT 38:50 PLACARDS WALKING IN THE STREET, AND MAKE ATTACKS ON PEOPLE JUST 38:57 BECAUSE THEY HAPPEN TO BE FROM A CERTAIN CHURCH. 38:59 THE PROTESTANTS THAT GOD WANTS US TO BE ARE CHRISTIANS WHO LIFT 39:04 UP THE BIBLE AND TEACH THE WORD OF GOD. 39:07 YOU CAN BE A PROTESTANT -- THE PROTESTANT OF ALL PROTESTANTS BY 39:13 LIFTING UP JESUS, EXSALTING THE CHURCH, UNSHACKLED FROM PENANCE 39:24 AND INDULGENCE, AND TRADITION, AND IN EARTHLY PRIESTHOOD. 39:31 THESE THINGS HAVE NO PLACE IN THE EXPERIENCE OF A 39:35 GOSPEL-ORIENTED CHRISTIAN, NON-AT ALL. 39:38 >> YOU USED A WORD THAT I WANT TO AMPLIFY, THE WORD TRUTH. 39:42 BECAUSE TRUTH SEEMS TO BE A WORD THAT GETS A BAD WRAP IN 39:46 CHRISTIAN CIRCLES TODAY, BECAUSE PEOPLE SAY WHAT YOUR TRUTH IS, 39:50 IS NOT NECESSARILY MY TRUTH. AND WHAT IS HIS TRUTH IS NOT 39:55 NECESSARILY MY TRUTH, AND WHAT IS THEIR TRUTH, DOES NOT 40:00 NECESSARILY JIVE IN THIS CIRCLE OF DENOMINATIONS. 40:07 >> THERE HAS BEEN A SOCIETAL SHIFT, AND THESE DAYS YOU CAN DO 40:12 WHATEVER YOU WANT. YOU CAN WEAR WHAT YOU WANT. 40:14 AND MAYBE THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. YOU CAN HAVE WHATEVER KIND OF 40:19 HAIR YOU WANT. YOU CAN TATTOO YOURSELF HOWEVER 40:22 YOU WANT. NO ONE CAN CRITICIZE. 40:24 ALL RIGHT. NOT THAT I THINK IT'S ALL RIGHT. 40:29 BUT, OKAY, TO EACH HIS OWN. YOU CAN MARRY WHO YOU WANT, LIVE 40:34 WITH WHO YOU WANT, BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT. 40:37 OF COURSE SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE RIGHTS, BUT NOW THERE'S JUST 40:40 NO PLACE FOR -- FOR CALLING A SPADE A SPADE. 40:44 >> ABSOLUTES. >> YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE 40:47 ABSOLUTES. AND THIS HAS BEEN DRILLED INTO 40:50 US THROUGH ACADEMIA THROUGH THE -YEARS. RELATIVISM IS TAUGHT. 41:01 THERE HAS BEEN A SOCIETAL SHIFT AGAINST -- LET ME PUT IT THIS 41:06 WAY, AGAINST JUDGING, AGAINST TAKING A STAND FOR SOMETHING, 41:10 AGAINST CLAIMING TO BE RIGHT ABOUT SOMETHING, THERE HAS BEEN 41:13 A SOCIETAL SHIFT. AND WHEN YOU STAND UP AND SAY 41:17 THIS IS THE TRUTH, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT WILL TAKE THAT 41:19 AS CONDEMNATION. >> HUM. 41:21 SO NOW -- DID YOU FINISH YOUR THOUGHT? 41:24 >> SURE. >> NOW YOU GET BAK TO THE 41:28 FOUNDATION OF PROTESTANTISM, IF THERE WAS NO MEASUREMENT, LIKE 41:32 WE TALKED ABOUT THE CHARADE OF YOUR GPS SENDING YOU ALL OVER 41:36 THE PLACE. >> YEAH, I HAVE GOT A GPS THAT 41:40 DOESN'T KNOW ANY ABSOLUTE TRUTH. IT'S ALL RELATIVES.-YOU OUGHT TO SEE IT. 41:45 IT'S ON MY PHONE. I'LL START WHERE I AM, AND IT 41:48 PUTS ME MAYBE 500 YARDS OUT IN THE COUNTRY SOMEPLACE. 41:52 IT DOESN'T KNOW WHERE I AM OR WHERE I'M TRAVELING, SO I GUESS 41:58 I NEED A NEW DEVICE. >> TO GOD'S WORD, THE UNDILUTED 42:06 WORD OF GOD -- JOHN 17:17, SANCTIFY THEM THROUGH THE TRUTH. 42:15 THY WORD IS TRUTH. AND THEN YOU HAVE 500 YEARS OF 42:20 TRADITION THAT BECAME AN EROSION OF THE TRUTH. 42:23 NOW TODAY WE HAVE DENOMINATIONALISM RATHER THAN 42:28 RUTH-BASED CHRISTIANITY. >> THAT'S SO TRUE. 42:31 >> SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 500TH ANNIVERSARY OF 42:38 PROTESTANTISM REFORMATION. THE WORD RELEVANT A VERY 42:43 CONTEMPORARY WORD. YOU SAY THAT IS NOT RELEVANT ANY 42:45 LONGER, BUT WE'RE GETTING BACK TO THE IDEA THAT ROME'S POSITION 42:52 DOCTRINALLY AND ACUMENICALLY HASN'T CHANGES. 43:08 LET'S GET BACK TO THE -- UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF ROME. 43:15 THEREFORE IS PROTESTANTISM STILL RELEVANT TODAY? 43:22 >> THAT'S WHY I THINK STARTING OCTOBER 23RD, NINE NIGHTS 43:28 STRAIGHT, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE VARIOUS ASPECTS OF TH 43:33 PROTESTANTISM REFORMATION. I'LL SHARE A MIRACLE STORY 43:38 ACTUALLY HAPPENING. A REAL MIRACLE, AND ALSO, I WANT 43:43 TO TAKE YOU TO THE HEADQUARTERS CHURCH FOR THE SOCIETY OF JESUS. 43:47 THE SOCIETY OF JESUS IS THE JESUIT ORDER. 43:50 AND I WANT TO TAKE YOU TO THE HEADQUARTERS JESUIT CHURCH IN 43:56 ROME, IT'S LITTLE BIT A MILE AND A LITTLE BIT MORE FROM THE 44:00 VATICAN CITY. I WANT TO SHOW YOU SOME VERY 44:04 INTERESTING STATUES, INSDE THE CHURCH OF JESUS. 44:11 THE HEAD -- JESUIT HQ IN THE CITY OF ROME. 44:16 I HAVE SOME FOOTAGE I WANT TO SHOW YOU. 44:19 I THINK YOU WILL BE INTERESTED IN THAT. 44:22 >> AND YOU ALSO BROUGHT SOME STILL GRAPHICS. 44:26 THAT MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT NOW. >> YEAH. 44:29 >> YOU HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN PUTTING THIS PERIOD TOGETHER. 44:33 >> I'LL WALK THROUGH THE TOPICS AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT 44:36 THE PICTURES. THE FIRST IS GOING TO BE CALLED 44:40 500. THAT'S THE NAME OF THE SERIES. 44:43 IT'S AN OVERVIEW OF THE REFORMATION. 44:46 THE SECOND PROGRAM IS ABOUT PATRICK, WHICH I KNOW WAS WELL 44:51 BEFORE THE REFORMATION, BUT HE WAS A REFORMATION ROUNDED FIGURE 44:55 THIS THE THIRD PROGRAM DEALS WITH WILIAM TINDALE, WE'RE IN 45:02 IRELAND, THE TINDALE PROGRAM, WE GOT A [ INAUDIBLE ] IN ENGLAND, 45:07 AS WELL AS OXFORD AND BRUSSELS, BELGIUM. 45:12 THAT'S WHERE HE DIED. THE FOURTH PROGRAM IS ABOUT THE 45:17 ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, OR IS THAT ABOUT -- 45:20 >> YES, IT IS ABOUT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. 45:24 THAT'S CALLED ROME AND THE REFORMATION. 45:26 OF COURSE THAT WAS THE OBJECT OF THE PROTEST BY LUTHER, HUSS, 45:32 JOHN CALVIN, AND JOHN KNOCKS AND SOME OF THE OTHERS. 45:37 THEN THE NEXT PROGRAM MARTIN LUTHER, HERE I STAND. 45:42 SO WE'RE IN WITTENBERG WHERE HE BURNED THE PAPAL BULL AND NAILED 45:49 THE 95 THESIS TO THE DOOR OF THE CHURCH. 45:53 THEN FROM GERMANY TO SPAIN AND ROME. 45:56 IT WAS IN A LITTLE TOWN ONCE KNOWN AS LOIOLA THAT A MAN WAS 46:07 BORN. HE REALIZED THE PROTESTANTS WERE 46:10 GAINING A LOT OF GROUND ON THE CHURCH. 46:12 HE SAID I CAN HELP. THE COUNTER REFORMATION WAS 46:16 BORN. IT STAKE -- TAKES YOU TO SPAIN 46:24 AND ROME. AND THEN THE FOCUS SHIFTS FROM 46:29 EUROPE TO THE UNITED STATES WITH THE PILL GRAM FATHERS ARRIVING. 46:37 OUR PROGRAM NUMBER 7 -- KEEP IN MIND, GODS IS WANTING TO TAKE 46:43 THE TRUTH FROM WAY BACK THEN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO OUR DAY TO THE 46:47 SECOND COMING OF JESUS. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 46:50 >> AFTER WILLIAMS WE GO TO A LITTLE -- LITTLE CORN OF 46:54 NEW YORK STATE, AND WE VISIT THE FARM ONCE OWNED BY A MAN NAMED 46:59 WILLIAM MILLER. WILLIAM MILLER PROCLAIMED THAT 47:01 JESUS WAS COMING AGAIN, AND REALLY FOCUSED NORTH AMERICA ON 47:05 THAT TEACHING -- ON THAT TRUTH. AND THEN OUR FINAL PROGRAM, THE 47:10 REFORMATION FINISHED, WE GO TO A LITTLE TOWN CALLED WASHINGTON IN 47:14 THE STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE, AND WE FOCUS ON A MOVEMENT THAT GOD 47:19 WOULD RAISE UP FOR THE PURPOSE OF GETTING THE REFORMATION 47:23 FINISHED. DO YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT 47:25 THE PICTURES? >> LET'S DO THAT. 47:28 >> THIS ONE IS IN FRONT OF DOWN CATHEDRAL IN PATRICK IRELAND. 47:36 >> WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT PATRICK IN THE SECOND HOUR. 47:39 >> YEAH, ULTIMATELY THIS IS A NICE SHOT. 47:42 WE FILMED AT THE GIANTS CAUSEWAY ON THE NORTHERN EDGE OF THE 47:48 ISLAND OF IRELAND. AND YOU SEE THOSE COLUMNS, 47:54 AREN'T THEY FASCINATING? >> ARE THEY NATURAL? 47:58 >> YEAH, ALL NATURAL. THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. 48:01 IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE. SO WE TAKE YOU THERE, AND 48:03 THEN -- LET'S LOOK AT THIS. I HAVE A MIRACLE STORY TO TELL 48:08 YOU. IT DIDN'T TAKE PLACE HERE. 48:11 BUT IT DID INVOLVE THAT DRONE. THAT IS SPAIN, THE NORTHERN 48:16 COAST OF SPAIN. THIS IS BACK TO IRELAND, THESE 48:21 ARE SHEEP, BUT THEY BAAAWITH AN IRISH ACCENT. 48:33 HERE WE ARE IN FRONT OF THE COLISEUM, ITSELF NOT A 48:40 REFORMATION, BUT ROME OF COURSE REFORMATION. 48:42 THE COLISEUM WAS BUILT WITH THE PROCEEDS REALIZED FROM THE 48:47 DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 48:54 >> THIS IS WITTENBERG, THOSE ARE THE DOORS -- NOT THOSE VERY 48:59 DOORS, THOSE DOORS ARE NEW, BUT THAT'S THE DOORWAY WHERE MARTIN 49:06 LUTHER NAILED THE 95 THESIS. ROME IS A MAGNIFICENT PLACE. 49:18 IT REALLY IS. AND HERE IS ROME. 49:22 AGAIN, IT'S JUST A STREET SCENE. THIS SHOULDN'T GET YOU TOO 49:25 EXCITED, I SUPPOSE FROM AN AESTHETIC POINT OF VIEW. 49:30 THIS IS KIND OF NICE, CELTIC CROSS BACK AMONG SOME RUINS IN 49:36 ANCIENT PART OF IRELAND, SO REALLY -- SOME -- SOME GREAT 49:40 PICTURES, AND HERE WE ARE BACK AT DOWN CATHEDRAL. 49:44 COMING UP HERE THERE IS A PICTURE OF THE GRAV OF ST. 49:48 PATRICK, WHICH IS TERRIFIC. YOU HAVE ST. PATRICK, AS WELL AS 49:53 AIDEN, AS WELL AS ST. BRIDGET. APPARENTLY BURIED IN THAT ONE 49:59 PLACE. IF YOU WERE TO ASK ME IF I 50:02 BELIEVED THEY WERE ALL BURIED THERE, I WOULD SAY NO. 50:05 I WOULD BE VERY SURPRISED EVEN IF THE BODY OF PATRICK WAS 50:12 THERE. AND IT LOOKS LIKE 50:14 IRELAND -- THIS IS EITHER IRELAND OR THE COAST OF SPAIN. 50:17 SO WE SAW SOME PRETTY PLACES. I WISH I COULD HAVE SHOWN YOU 50:22 THE WILLIAM TINDALE MONUMENT. YOU KNOW WHAT IS 50:28 INTERESTING -- FIRST PROGRAM AN OVERVIEW OF THE REFORMATION. 50:31 NOW THESE NINE PROGRAMS WILL -- WILL ACT AS OUR WEEKLY 50:35 IT IS WRITTEN PROGRAM. BUT ALSO THERE ARE GOING TO BE 50:40 NINE NIGHTS STRAIGHT HERE ON 3ABN. 50:44 NINE, ONE-HOUR PROGRAMS. >> I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. 50:47 >> THE BEGINNING WILL BE AN OVERVIEW, THEN THE PROGRAM, THEN 50:52 WE SPEAK WITH AN EXPERT. ON THE FIRST PROGRAM I SPEAK 50:58 WITH DR. GIRARD [ INAUDIBLE ] RECENTLY RETIRED FROM ANDREWS 51:02 UNIVERSITY. >> YES. 51:04 >> HE HAS LEAD SOMETHING LIKE 40 REFORMATION TOURS IN EUROPE. 51:11 HE KNOWS THESE PLACES LIKE THE BACK OF HIS HAND. 51:14 AND HE IS A PROTESTANT. HE IS A PROTESTANT. 51:20 A BIBLE BELIEVER WHO BELIEVES THE GOSPEL, AND WOULD LOVE TO 51:23 SEE THE WORLD TURN TO THE WORD OF GOD AND EMBRACE THE GOSPEL. 51:27 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> THIS SECOND PROGRAM IS CALLED 51:31 THE CELTIC CONNECTION. AND SO WE GO TO IRELAND. 51:35 IRELAND IS A FASCINATING PLACE. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE. 51:38 INTERESTING HISTORY. WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, I GREW UP 51:41 DURING THE TROUBLES. THIS WAS THAT PERIOD DURING THE 51:47 1970S WHEN PROTESTANTS AND CATHOLICS WERE REALLY WARRING IN 51:52 NORTHERN IRELAND. IT WAS TIME WHEN A LOT OF 51:55 FIGURES LIKE BOBBY SANDS CAME INTO PROMINENCE. 52:02 THE BRITISH WHO WERE OCCUPYING NORTHERN IRELAND WOULD -- WOULD 52:07 ROUND UP TROUBLE MAKERS AND PUT THEM IN THE PRISON, AND SOME OF 52:11 THESE TROUBLEMAKERS MAE REAL TROUBLE. 52:14 THERE WERE BOMBINGS AND MURDERS, AND SHOOTINGS, AND IT WAS 52:19 TERRIBLE. THE IRISH REPUBLICAN ARMY WERE A 52:23 VERY FIERCE ORGANIZATION. >> I REMEMBER THAT WELL. 52:25 >> BOBBY SANDS DIED FROM A HUNGER STRIKE. 52:30 AND SO DID MANY OTHRS. GO TO BELFAST TODAY -- BELFAST 52:36 INCIDENTALLY WAS WHERE THE TITANIC WAS BUILT -- BUT GO TO 52:40 BELFAST SAID, AND YOU WILL SEE A MURAL OF BOBBY SANDS. 52:44 WHILE WE WERE THERE, FOR ABOUT 20 MINUTES, AT LEAST THREE 52:49 FAMILIES STOPPED IN FRONT OF THAT MURAL AND HAD THEIR 52:54 PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN. PATRICK WAS AN INTERESTING 52:57 GUY -- >> PATRICK TO ME. 52:59 I LIKE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT HIM. 53:03 GO AHEAD. >> OF COURSE THE ROMAN CATHOLIC 53:06 CHURCH CLAIMS HIM. >> AND THEY SAINTED HIM AFTER 53:11 THEY DIED. >> SURE THEY DID. 53:13 YOU COULD SAY THAT PATRICK WAS A CATHOLIC. 53:16 BUT HE WASN'T A ROMAN CATHOLIC. HE WAS A MISSIONARY TO IRELAND. 53:21 HE WASN'T THERE ON ANY ERRAND OF THE CHURCH. 53:25 HE WASN'T ROMANIZING PEOPLE. HIS MISSION -- AND WE HAVE -- I 53:30 SHOULDN'T SAY WE -- HIS WRITINGS ARE STILL [ INAUDIBLE ] TODAY, 53:34 BUT HIS MISSION WAS TO CHRISTIANIZE, AND HE CONVERTED A 53:38 LOT OF PAGANS.-A LOT OF WHAT IS SAID ABOUT PATRICK IS JUST NOT TRUE. 53:43 HE DIDN'T DRIVE ALL OF THE SNAKES OUT OF IRELAND AND SO ON. 53:47 >> FOLKLORE. >> YEAH.-BUT PATRICK INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH 53:51 WAS AN ENGLISHMAN NOT AN IRISHMAN, TAKEN TO IRELAND AS A 53:57 SLAVE -- CAPTURED AND TAKEN TO IRELAND. 54:00 HE GETS FREE, GOES HOME TO ENGLAND, AND THEN HE HAS A 54:05 DREAM, A LITTLE BIT LIKE PAUL'S VISION OF THE MACEDONIAN CRY, 54:08 COME HELP US. SOMEONE APPEARED TO PATRICK IN A 54:13 DREAM, AND SAID YOU MUST COME TO IRELAND AND HELP US. 54:16 AND SO HE DID. HE WENT BACK TO THE PLACE WHERE 54:20 HE WAS A SLAVE AND CONVERTED MANY. 54:30 HE WASN'T IRISH, OR ROMAN CATHOLIC, AND C, HE WAS A 54:37 SABBATH KEEPER. HE WAS A KEEPER OF THE SEVENTH 54:41 DAY SABBATH. AND PATRICK'S LIFE IS 54:44 DESTRUCTIVE FOR US. IT'S EASY TO MAKE NOISE IN 54:47 CHURCH, AND MAKE NOISE ABOUT WHAT YOU BELIEVE -- 54:49 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> -- AND -- AND ONE OF THE 54:53 THINGS THAT I -- I FEAR A LITTLE. 54:55 TALK ABOUT THE PROTESTANT REFORMATION, IT MIGHT INSPIRE 54:59 PEOPLE TO BE A LITTLE BIT HATEFUL AND START BEING CRITICAL 55:03 OF -- JUST UNKINDLY CRITICAL OF CERTAIN CHURCHES. 55:06 WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT. PATRICK WAS A MISSIONARY. 55:11 HE TRAINED PEOPLE, WHO TRAINED OTHERS, AND HE STARTED SOME 55:22 SOMETHING -- AIDEN WAS INFLUENCED BY PATRICK, AND THESE 55:26 MEN BROUGHT CHRISTIANITY TO THE BRITISH ISLES, SO PATRICK WAS A 55:34 BRIGHT LIGHT. FOR HIM IT WAS ABOUT THE 55:37 SCRIPTURE. FOR PATRICK, IT WAS ABOUT -- IT 55:40 WAS ABOUT MISSIONARY ZEAL. YOU KNOW WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO 55:44 SEE? I WOULD LOVE TO SEE PEOPLE WHO 55:47 CALL THEMSELVES PROTESTANT TODAY FILLED WITH THE MISSIONARY ZEAL 55:50 THAT SAYS, I HAVE GOT TO SHOW JESUS TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW 55:55 JESUS. I HAVE GOT TO REACH PEOPLE WITH 55:58 THE TRUE GOSPEL. AND YOU DON'T REACH THEM WITH 56:04 THE TRUE GOSPEL UNLESS YOU ARE LIVING THE TRUE GOSPEL. 56:07 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> ONE MORE THING I WANT TO SAY, 56:11 IN THE MOMENT, IF WHICH EAR GOING TO CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT 56:16 PATRICK, WE'LL WALK THROUGH THESE PROGRAMS. 56:18 THIS IS A BROADCASTING EVENT NOBODY SHOULD MISS. 56:21 >> I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. >> OH, YEAH, YOU WILL BE 56:25 BLESSED. BUT IN A MOMENT, WITH YOUR 56:28 PERMISSION. WE'LL ROLL A LITTLE VIDEO, NOT 56:30 RIGHT NOW, BUT WHEN YOU CALL FOR IT, AND I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH A 56:35 MIRACLE STORY THAT HAPPENED. >> I'LL LEAVE THAT CLIFFHANGER 56:42 RIGHT THERE. I HOPE YOU HAVE OPENED UP YOUR 56:45 MIND TO BEGIN TO ABSORB, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT HISTORY, WE 56:49 TALKED ABOUT THE PAST 500 YEARS, AND EVEN FURTHER BACK TO THE 56:54 1300S, AND PEOPLE MIGHT SAY, WELL, WHY ARE WE FOCUSING SO 56:58 MUCH ON THE PAST? YOU HAVE GOT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE 57:01 YOU HAVE COME FROM TO APPRECIATE WHERE YOU ARE TODAY. 57:07 TODAY THE VERY FOUNDATION OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH IS JESUS. 57:12 DON'T FORGET THAT NO OTHER FOUNDATION CAN ANYONE LAY. 57:16 SO HOW DO WE GET A MONOLITHIC SYSTEM THAT IS BASED ON THE 57:21 AUTHORITY OF AN INDIVIDUAL? AND IT IS SO WELCOMED AROUND THE 57:25 WORLD, AND SO -- NOT ONLY WELCOMED, BUT THE MOVEMENT 57:28 SEEKING TO BRING ABOUT A COALITION OF ALL RELIGIOUS 57:33 DENOMINATIONS. SO DON'T GO AWAY, THE BEST OF 57:34 THE PROGRAM IS YET TO COME, AND PASTOR JOHN, I'M LOOKING FORWARD 57:39 TO WHAT YOU TALK ABOUT. SO WE'LL BE BACK IN JUST A FEW 57:43 MOMENTS. 57:46 ♪ |
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