Participants: Danny Shelton (Host), Yvonne Lewis (Host), CA Murray, Mike Carducci, Shelley Quinn
Series Code: TL
Program Code: TL017520A
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00:21 >> I WANT TO SPEND MY LIFE FIXING BROKEN 00:24 PEOPLE. I WANT TO SPEND MY LIFE 00:26 REMOVING PAIN. LORD, LET MY WORDS I 00:45 WANT TO SPEND PIPE LIFE MENDING BROKEN PEOPLES. 01:11 >> HELLO, AND WELL KMENT TO ANOTHER 3ABN TODAY LIVE. 01:13 MY NAME IS CA MURRAY, AND ALLOW ME ONCE AGAIN TO THANK YOU FOR 01:16 SHARING JUST A LITTLE OF YOUR NO DOUBT BUSY DAY WITH US. 01:20 THANK YOU FOR YOUR, LOVE YOUR PRAYERS, YOUR SUPPORT -F OF THIS 01:26 MINISTRY FOR ALL THESE 32 + YEARS. 01:27 WE ARE JOINED TOGETHER, PARTNERED TOGETHER, TO LIFT UP 01:31 THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS AND TO TAKE HIS GOSPEL TO THE END OF 01:34 THE EARTH. >> ALSO THANK YOU FROM THE 01:36 BOTTOM OF OUR HEARTS. WHEN WE SAY THAT, THOSE ARE NOT 01:40 JUST WORDS THAT COME FROM OUR LIPS, THEY COME STRAIGHT FROM-OUR HEARTS. 01:43 WE REALIZE WE COULD NOT DO WHAT WE'RE CALLED TO DO WITHOUT YOUR 01:48 PARTNERSHIP. I'M IN THE COMPANY OF MY FRIEND 01:50 OF SO MANY, MANY YEARS. >> DON'T SAY OLD. 01:53 >> NO, I WON'T SAY OLD [LAUGHTER] 01:57 A FRIEND OF LONG STANDING, A FRIEND OF A LONG TIME. 01:59 >> THAT'S GOOD. >> DEAR FRIEND, BUT NOT OLD 02:01 FRIEND. >> OKAY, GOOD, GOOD. 02:04 >> YVONNE LEWIS, GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE. 02:08 >> IT IS SO GREAT TO BE HERE. >> YOU'RE BACK IN 1980 - - .->> THAT'S 1986. 02:22 >> IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE. >> LET'S INTRODUCE TH REST OF 02:24 THE FAMILY. OUR FOUNDER AND FRIEND, MINISTER 02:29 MR. DANNY SHELTON. >> I'M NOT USED TO THIS 02:32 PARTICULAR SEAT. >> Danny Shelton: SO I DON'T 02:33 KNOW HOW I WILL ACT SO WE'LL SEE HERE TONIGHT. 02:35 A LITTLE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, BUT I LIKE WHAT I'M SEEING. 02:49 >> HOSTED MR. SHELTON ALL OVER THE LOOK. 02:52 >> Danny Shelton: CA MURRAY IS A GOOD DRIVER BECAUSE HE CAN COME 02:54 WITHIN INCHES JUST LIKE YOU'RE IN LONDON YOUR AS GOOD AS THE 02:59 TAXI DRIVERS WEAVING IN AND OUTS OF TRAFFIC. MIKE, IT SEEMED 03:02 LIKE YOU WERE INCHES BETWEEN VEHICLES BUT YOU MADE IT ALL THE 03:05 WAY THROUGH AND TOOK US TO THE CHURCHES, BROUGHT US BACK 03:09 SAFELY. >> SOMETIMES IT'S PARTICIPATE 03:11 TIGHT. >> HE'S A GOOD DRIVER. 03:13 >> YES. >> YOU HAVE TO DRIVE LIKE YOU 03:15 DON'T CARE. >> YOU DO. 03:16 >> DRIVE LIKE YOU CARE MR. MARK CARDUCCI, HE IS COMING OUT 03:28 MINISTRIES. >> YES, UH-HUH. 03:29 >> WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTE BIT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE 03:31 HERE FOR A SPECIAL PURPOSE, SOMETHING SPECIAL TO TALK ABOUT. 03:33 AND THEN ON THE END, CERTAINLY NOT LAST, SHELLEY QUINN. 03:41 >> IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE BEEN ON CAMERA TODAY ALL DAY TOGETHER. 03:46 >> WE'VE BEEN TAPING PROGRAMS FOR THE LAST TWO DAYS. 03:50 >> THE SCHOOL PANEL. >> WE GET GREAT RESPONSES. 03:59 >> IT IS FUN TO, AS SHELLEY WILL ATTEST, BUT IT IS WORK. 04:03 FOUR PROGRAMS A DAY, ONE HOUR, TRYING TO CONDENSE ALL YOU 04:07 STUDIED INTO TEN MINUTES PER SEGMENT. 04:10 THAT'S LOT OF WORK, BUT IT'S FUN. IF IS FUN 04:12 >> IN THIS QUARTER, THE THIRD QUARTER IS GOING TO BE ON THE 04:16 GOSPEL IN GALATIANS IT'S LU ABOUT RIGHTEOUSNESS AND 04:20 SALVATION BY FAITH AND CHRIST ALONE. 04:22 >> WOW. >> SO IT IS WONDERFUL. 04:23 >> IT IS A WONDERFUL STUDY INDEED. 04:26 THIS IS A VERY SPECIAL 3ABN, I GUESS WE COULD CALL THIS TODAY 04:31 LIVE WORLD VIEW BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING A LOOK AT A 04:34 LOT OF THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING, THAT ARE AFFECTING THE CHURCH, 04:38 AFFECTING AND I LIKE THE IDEA, YVONNE, THAT EVERY NOW AND AGAIN 04:41 WE CAN SORT OF PULL THE MASK BACK NO SO MUCH BEHIND THE 04:46 SCENES ON 3ABN, BUT OUR VIEW OF THE WORLD, THE BIBLE VIEW OF THE 04:50 WORLD, THE CHURCH'S VIEW OF THE WORLD, WE ARE CALLED TO BE SOFT 04:54 AND LIGHT IN THE WORLD. >> SO TRUE, THERE'S SO MUCH 05:04 GOING ON IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW AND WE HAVE BEEN CALLED TO 05:07 COUNTER ACT THE COUNTERFEIT AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE 05:14 DOING TONIGHT. THERE IS JUST THIS TENDENCY TO 05:16 GO ALONG AND GET ALONG, BUT 3ABN DOESN'T DO THAT. 05:20 AND DANNY SHELTON DOESN'T DO THAT. 05:25 SO THIS IS REALLY TO FOCUS ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE WORLD AND 05:28 HOW IT EITHER CORRESPONDS OR CONTRADICTS DIFFICULT PRINCIPLES 05:32 AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOIG TO BE DEALING WITH. 05:37 >> Yvonne Lewis: SOME VERY HEAVY AND YET NECESSARY INFORMATION 05:40 BECAUSE NOBODY'S DOING IT. NOBODY WANTS TO TOUCH IT. 05:44 IT'S A HOT POTATO. >> CA Murray: YES. 05:49 >> Yvonne Lewis: NOBODY WANTS TO TOUCH IT, BUT PRAISE THE LORD. 05:52 THE LORD HAS LAID ON DANNY'S HEART TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES 05:56 AND THAT HE DOES. >> CA Murray: YES. 05:58 THE BIBLE HAS ENJOINED US TO SPEAK THE TRUTH IN LOVE, BUT, 06:02 UH, IN LOVE SPEAK THE TRUTH. >> Yvonne Lewis: THAT'S RIGHT, 06:05 THAT'S RIGHT. >> CA Murray: AND THAT'S WHAT 06:07 WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL TALK 06:10 ABOUT IS THE NEW BOOK THAT MR. SHELTON HAS BEEN BLESSED TO 06:14 LIGHT. THEN MIKE HERE IS HERE FOR A 06:16 VERY SPECIAL READING BECAUSE WE SEE WHAT WE COULD CALL A CLEAR 06:19 AND PRESENT DANGER IN THE WORLD THAT WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS.-SHELLEY'S GOT SOME SPECIAL 06:24 THINGS TO TALK ABOUT. THIS IS A PROGRAM YOU WANT TO 06:28 GIVE EAR TO BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO COVER A LOT OF SUBJECTS EACH 06:31 IN ITS OWN WAY VERY PERTINENT, VERY IMPORTANT FOR SPIRITUAL 06:36 LIFE, SPIRITUAL GROWTH, FOR YOUR VIEW OF THE WORLD, AND WE NEED 06:39 TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE SERVING THE SAME GOD, DOING WHAT WE CAN 06:43 TO LIFT UP THE NAME OF JESUS AND SOMETIMES THAT MEANS SWIMMING UP 06:47 STREAM. GOING AGAINST WHAT MAY BE THE 06:49 PREVAILING NORMS, BUT AS LONG AS YOU'RE ON THE LORD'S SIDE, GOD + 06:53 1 IS A MAJORITY SO YOU NEED NOT FEAR. 06:57 >> Yvonne Lewis: AMEN, AMEN, AMEN. 06:59 SO, LET'S TALK, DANNY, ABOUT THIS BOOK THAT YOU'VE WRITTEN. 07:02 BECAUSE I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ IT MORE THAN ONCE. 07:07 >> Danny Shelton: SHE'S MY EDITOR. 07:11 SHE AND BOBBY DAVIS DID THE FIRST CHAPTER. 07:13 ANYBODY WITH EYES SAID I THINK I SEE SOMETHING, HERE'S THE 07:17 MANUSCRIPT, WE'LL TAKE THIS DOWN TO ABOUT A FIVE AND A HALF BY 07:20 EIGHT AND A HALF SIZE. SO IT'S KNOWING TO BE SIMILAR TO 07:28 THE TEN COMMANDMENTS TWICE REMOVED BOOK BUT WE CALL IT 07:33 SPIRITUAL VIGILANT ES. >> Yvonne Lewis: WHERE DID THAT 07:38 NAME COME FROM? >> Danny Shelton: I WAS 07:41 WATCHING, AS MOST OF US HERE IN AMERICA, FOR SURE, AND UCH I 07:43 GUESS AROUND THE WORLD, UM, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AS WE 07:48 STARTED HEADING TOWARDS THE ELECTIONS OF A NEW PRESIDENT. 07:53 YOU HAVE THIS SIDE VERSUS THAT SIDE AND I WAS SO AMAZED THAT 07:57 CHRISTIANS GET IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THIS POLITICAL STUFF AND SAY-I'M A DEMOCRAT. 08:03 SOME GOING FROM THE SAME CHURCH, PENTECOSTAL SAYING I'M CATHOLIC, 08:09 I'M REPUBLICAN, I'M DEMOCRAT. I WAS AMAZED FIRST OF ALL, YOU 08:13 AND I SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THAT YVONNE, CA, 08:17 SHELLEY, ALL OF US IS HOW DO WE GET IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS, AND 08:21 WRAP MYSELF UP TO SAY I'M A DEMOCRAT. 08:23 OR I'M A REPUBLICAN. UM, SOMEBODY SAID WHAT PARTY DO 08:27 YOU BELONG TO? I SAID PART OF THE JESUS PARTY, 08:30 IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT WILL LAST. 08:33 >> CA Murray: AMEN. >> Danny Shelton: BUT WE CAN'T - 08:35 - WHAT I SEE IS THE DEVIL IS A HOUSE DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF 08:40 CAN'T STAND, RIGHT? SO THE DEVIL HAS COME INTO TH 08:46 CHURCH, INTO THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH IT'S AMAZING. 08:50 PEOPLE THAT YOU WOULD NEVER HEAR FROM BEFORE ARE GETTING ON 08:54 ARGUING AND I'VE HEARD CHRISTIANS, EVEN SOME THE SAME 08:59 DENOMINATION MYSELF OTHERS, BUT ARGUING AND HAVING WORD BATTLES 09:10 ON FACEBOOK AND TWITTER, ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT ANYBODY CAN 09:12 READ, THE PUBLIC CAN READ. I'M LIKE WHAT IS WRONG WITH 09:16 THESE FOLK? THIS ONE LOVES THIS CANDIDATE, 09:18 THIS ONE LOVES THIS ONE. WE VOTE FOR THIS ONE, AND IF YOU 09:21 VOTE FOR THAT ONE YOU KNOW YOU SHOULDN'T VOTE FOR THIS. 09:24 I WAS AMAZE SAID BY ALL OF THAT AND SO I BEGAN TO LOOK AT THE 09:34 CURRENT EVENTS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ISSUES 09:38 PRESENTED. I THOUGHT ABOUT WHEN I WAS A CHILD, SOME OF US 09:41 PRETEND WE'RE NOT THAT AGE, BUT WHEN WE GREW UP, WE GREW UP WHEN 09:44 I GREW UP, THERE WAS I LOVE LUCY AND LEAVE IT TO BEAVER ON 09:50 TELEVISION >> NOW YOU LOOK AT MODERN FAMILY 09:56 AND ALL THESE THINGS THAT TALK ABOUT HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE, 10:02 THEY'RE SO LIBERAL, THAT OUR YOUNG PEOPLE EVEN WITHIN OUR 10:05 CHRISTIAN SCHOOLS OUR ACADEMIES AND UNIVERSITIES AND THROUGH 10:08 FACEBOOK AND SOCIAL MEDIA ARE BEING BOMBARDED THAT'S ALL THESE 10:11 THINGS ARE OKAY. AND SO AS I BEGAN TO LOO AT 10:15 THESE THINGS, I SAID YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S AMAZING TO ME HOW 10:20 QUICKLY ABOUT PROBABLY IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN 30 OR 40 YEARS AGO JOE 10:24 WROTE A BOOK CALLED CREEPING COMPROMISE. 10:27 TODAY WE HAVE TO SAY RAPID COMPROMISE BECAUSE IT'S 10:30 LITERALLY BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS AS I BEGAN TO SEE WHAT WAS 10:35 HAPPENING WITH, YOU KNOW, FOR SO MANY YEARS WE TEACH AND KEEP ALL 10:41 THE COMMANDMENTS. WHAT I'M FINDING OUT IS THERE'S 10:49 OTHER ONES PEOPLE FORGET. I'M TALKING ABOUT ANY 10:53 DENOMINATION, INCLUDING MY OWN AND SOME OF THE OTHERS I 10:56 MENTIONED. THERE ARE PEOPLE, FOR INSTANCE, 10:57 WHO ARE SAYING WE THINK SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IS OKAY. 11:01 AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. 11:02 ABORTION IS OKAY. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. 11:05 PEOPLE SAY THAT'S A POLITICAL TOPIC, YOU SHOULDN'T TALK ABOUT 11:08 IT. NO, IT ISN'T, IT'S A BIBLICAL 11:13 TOPIC. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS 11:14 BECAUSE TO ME WE HAVE 10 COMMANDMENTS, WE DIDN'T GET TO 11:18 PICK AND CHOOSE, AND SO FOR US SOME OF US SEVENTH DAY 11:27 CHRISTIANS WE'RE TEACHING THE WORLD YOU HAVE TO KEEP ALL TEN. 11:30 THERE'S SOME OF US SAYING I THINK SAME-SEX MARRIAGE OR 11:34 ABORTION THESE THINGS SOME OF THESE OTHER CANDIDATES, I VOTE 11:37 FOR THEM BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE WHAT THE OTHER CANDIDATES TO. 11:40 SO MY THING IS TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT. 11:44 IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT EITHER OF THEM DO, DON'T VOTE FOR THEM. 11:47 IT'S LIKE YOU'RE ENDORSING WHAT YOU DO. 11:49 I GOT TO THINKING ABOUT IT, WHAT A PHYSICAL VIGILANTE IS. 11:54 A VIGILANTE IS SOMEONE WHO TAKES THE LAW INTO THEIR OWN HANDS. 12:00 AND SOMETIMES IT'S EVEN PEOPLE THAT WEAR A BADGE THAT SAY YOU 12:06 KNOW WHAT THESE CRIMINALS, THESE THUGS, THEY KEEP GETTING AWAY 12:12 WITH THESE CRIMES THEY'RE OUT HERE GIVING DRUGS TO OUR KIDS 12:16 THEY TAKE THE LAW INTO THEIR OWN HANDS AND ACTUALLY BEDOM JUDGE, 12:20 JURY, AND EXECUTIONER, CA. AND SOMETIMES KILL THESE PEOPLE. 12:26 THAT'S A VIGILANTE. SOMETIMES THAT'S EVEN RELIGIOUS 12:35 LEADERS RELIGIOUS LEADERS TRY TO SET THEMSELVES IN PLACE OF GOD 12:43 TO SAY YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS COMMANDMENT, THAT DOESN'T APPLY 12:49 ANYMORE. THIS COMMANDMENT DOESN'T REALLY 12:50 MEAN WHAT YOU THINK IT MEANS. IT'S DIFFERENT NOW. 13:09 >> CA Murray: IT'S INTERESTING THAT THAT TITLE IS REFLECTIVE OF 13:12 A TIME ORIGINALLY THE VIGILIST WAS A PERSON IN ANCIENT ROMAN 13:18 TIMES WHO WAS ASSIGNED TO KEEP WATCH OVER THE CITY, WATCH FOR 13:21 FIRES, WATCH FOR RUN AWAY SLAVES. 13:24 THEY JUST KEPT WATCH OVER THE CITY. 13:28 BUT IT HAS MORPHED THE IDEA TO NOW THAT IT'S SOMEONE WHO WANTS 13:32 TO TAKE SOMETHING INTO THEIR OWN HANDS AND CHANGE THAT. 13:35 IT'S AN APT TITLE BECAUSE YOU HAVE PEOPLE NOW WHO SORT OF TRY 13:38 TO TAKE IT ON THEMSELVES AND MAKE CHANGES THE BIBLE NEVER 13:45 ENDORSES. >> YOU KNOW, YOU BROUGHT UP 13:46 SOMETHING, DANNY, A FEW MINUTES AGO ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA AND ITS 13:51 IMPACT. >> Yvonne Lewis: AND WHAT WE'RE 13:52 SEEING IN SOCIETY IS THAT PEOPLE ARE GROUPING THEMSELVES TOGETHER 13:59 BASED ON THEIR OPINIONS OF WHAT'S POLITICALLY CORRECT, AND 14:04 ALL OF THIS. AND IT'S, IT'S JUST KIND OF 14:09 OVERWHELMING BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS THIS WHOLE TRANSITION 14:13 FROM FOCUSING ON BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES TO BEING DOMINATED BY 14:20 YOUR CULTURAL PERSPECTIVE. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS IF YOU ARE IF 14:25 YOU'RE BLACK, THEN YOU TEND TO, BECAUSE MOST BLACK PEOPLE ARE 14:31 NOT REPUBLICANS, MOST BLACKS ARE DEMOCRATS, SO YOU'RE GOING TO 14:34 TAKE ON THAT PLATFORM. WELL, AS A CHRISTIAN I DON'T 14:37 AGREE WITH ABORTION, BUT I LIKE THIS CANDIDATE BETTER THAN THE 14:41 OTHER ONE. SO I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THEM. 14:46 OR I'M NOT FOR SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, BUT I LIE THAT 14:48 CANDIDATE BETTER SO I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THEM. 14:52 AND THEN WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS CULTURE YOUR CHRISTIANITY. 14:59 AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE SEE A LOT. 15:04 THAT CULTURE THE CHRISTIANITY. YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF, WHO AM 15:08 I FIRST? WHAT AM I? 15:09 AM I FIRST BLACK, OR AM I FIRST A CHRISTIAN? 15:13 AND IT'S A TOUGH, TOUGH QUESTION. 15:16 THESE ARE SOME OF THE, YOU TOUCH ON THE WHOLE IDEA OF SAME-SEX 15:20 MARRIAGE, AND ABORTION IN THE BOOK YOU EXPLORE HOW SOCIAL 15:26 MEDIA HAS IMPACTED, YOU KNOW, SOCIETY AND ALL THAT. 15:30 IT'S A CRITICAL THING, NOBODY ELSE IS REALLY TALKING ABOUT HOW 15:36 CULTURE AND SOCIAL MEDIA AND ALL THAT PLAYS SUCH AN IMPORTANT 15:39 PART IN YOUR PERSPECTIVE, AND, AND IT'S LIKE WE'RE JUST KIND OF 15:46 OVERCOME BY IT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO ROCK THAT BOAT. 15:51 WE DON'T WANT TO ROCK THE BOAT. I'M NOT GOING TO OFFEND YOU, 15:55 MIKE. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING. 15:57 I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH ABOUT HOW I FEEL ABOUT 16:02 SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BECAUSE I MIGHT HURT YOUR FEELINGS. 16:07 >> WE'VE DEVELOPED AND I'VE SEEN IT, MIKE, IT'S POPULAR CULTURE. 16:11 IT'S POPULAR CULTURE BASED ON A CONSUMER MINDSET. 16:15 IT'S LIKE WHAT APPEALS TO MY CONSUMER MENTALITY. 16:18 I'LL GO TO THE CHURCH, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE RIGHT 16:20 CHURCH, BUT THE PREACHER IS GOOD, THE MUSIC IS GOOD, AND I 16:23 CONSUME THAT, SO THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING TO GO. 16:28 UM, THIS CANDIDATE SPEAKS TO ME, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT 16:31 HIS PLATFORM IS, I'M A CONSUMER. SO RATHER THAN BE 16:37 PRINCIPLE-DRIVEN WE'RE CONSUMER DRIVEN. 16:40 WITH THE INTERNET AND MEDIA YOU CAN ALWAYS FIND A POOL OF PEOPLE 16:43 WHO CAN REINFORCE YOUR MINDSET. IF YOU THINK THIS WAY, THERE'S A 16:47 LINE OF PEOPLE THAT WILL LINE-UP BEHIND YOU. 16:51 SO WE THROW AWAY PRINCIPLES IN FAVOR OF A CONSUMER MINDSET. 16:59 THAT CONSUMERISM WEAVES ITS WAY INTO EVERY PART OF OUR LIFE. 17:08 >> I THINK IT'S MANY INROADS. I DON'T THINK IT'S ONE DAY YOU 17:11 JUST ALL OF A SUD THROWN YOUR CONVICTION TO THE WIND, I THNK 17:14 WE'RE BOMBARDED BY MEDIA. YOU BROUGHT THAT UP A LITTLE 17:18 EARLIER, DANNY. IN THE 60S WE WERE BEING 17:21 PROGRAMS TO ACCEPT CERTAIN THINGS AND I THINK IT WAS SO 17:23 SUBTLE KIND OF LIKE THE FROG AND THE POT. 17:27 GAVE CHARACTERS ON TELEVISION, AND THEN WHAT THEY START DOING 17:30 IS THEY START SHOWING CHRISTIANS AS KIND OF, UM, UH, THEY'RE KIND 17:34 OF OFF OR THEY'RE, UH, SOCIALLY INEPT SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF TUCK 17:44 IN OUR VALUES. I THINK THAT SLOWLY WE LEARN TO 17:47 DO THAT AND WE'VE ALL BEEN LULLED BY THE MEDIA TO ACCEPT 17:50 THAT CHRISTIANITY IS REALLY KIND OF A HAS BEEN OR A HATED GROUP 17:55 OR, UM BASICALLY INEFFECTIVE. >> CA Murray: ONE OF THE REASONS 18:04 WE'RE GLAD THA YOU CAME HERE TONIGHT - - . 18:06 >> AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS TO TAL ABOUT AND THE 18:08 BOOK GOES INTO SO, BUT SOMETHING THAT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE WANT 18:14 TO TALK ABOUT IT IS WHAT DO YOU DO? 18:18 WE TITLED THE PROGRAM WHAT IS THE CHRISTIAN PERSPECTIVE ON 18:22 SAME-SEX MARRIAGE. AND SO TONIGHT IS WHAT YOU SAID, 18:25 I FOUND MYSELF LAST WEEK WE WERE IN NEW YORK AND, YOU KNOW, AS A 18:31 SEVENTH DAY ADVENTST, WE TALK ABOUT THE PAPACY, THE MARK OF 18:38 THE BEAST, REVELATION, ANY OF THOSE ATTACKING GOD'S LAW, WE DO 18:41 IT, AND DO IT OPENLY. I'VE FOUND MYSELF BEING A LITTLE 18:45 HESITANT AND SAID WHY AM I HESITANT WHEN I AM TALKING TO A 18:48 GROUP OF FELLOW BELIEVERS ABOUT A SUBJECT LIKE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE 18:54 OR ABORTION. WE DON'T KNOW QUITE HOW TO DEAL 19:00 WITH THEM BECAUSE PEOPLE SAY AND WHAT'S OUT THERE NOW IS, YOU 19:03 KNOW, THIS IS SUCH A HUGE ISSUE AND NOW IT'S ALMOST POPULAR TO 19:10 COME OUT - - YOU LOOK AT HOSTS OF TELEVISION PROGRAMS, MANY OF 19:14 THOSE WHEN IT'S NEWS OR YOU'RE WATCHING A CHANNEL, A HOST OF-PROGRAMS THAT ALL GLORIFY THIS 19:20 AND MAKE IT NORMAL OR NATURAL AND THAT IT'S OKAY. 19:24 SO OUR YOUNG PEOPLE, OF COURSE, ARE GETTING AS WE SAID THEY'RE 19:30 GETTING THIS CONSTANTLY. CONSTANTLY TO THEM. 19:33 BUT REALLY, WHAT BROUGHT THIS TO MY ATTENTION WAS HOW DO WE DEAL 19:38 WITH IT? WE'RE ALL SINNERS. 19:44 SO IS SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, IS HOMOSEXUALITY, IS THAT A WORSE 19:48 IS SIN THAN ANYONE WHO IS AN ADULT? 19:52 >> NO. >> IS IT WORSE THAN BEING A 19:54 THIEF? >> NO. 19:56 >> SIN IS SIN. THE BIBLE DEFINITION FOR SIN IS 20:00 WHAT? >> TRANSGRESSION OF WHAT P*. 20:02 >> TRANSGRESSION OF WHAT? >> THE LAW. 20:04 >> OR THE BREAKING OF GOD'S LAW. SO ANYTHING THAT BREAKS GOD'S 20:08 LAW, THAT'S CONSIDERED SIN. SO WE HAVE TEN COMMANDMENTS THAT 20:11 GOD GAVE US. THE FIRST FOUR ARE OUR DUTIES TO 20:14 GOD AND OUR LAST SIX ARE OUR DUTIES TO MAN. 20:21 AND YET, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK 20:24 WE'RE A CHRISTIAN NATION.-ACTUALLY, WE'RE NOT. BUT OUR FOUNDING FATHERS AND WE 20:28 GO INTO THIS IN A LOT OF DETAILS AND I DID A LOT OF HOMEWORK THIS 20:33 TIME AND STUDIED A LOT - - I'M NOT SAYING ALWAYS EVERYTHING - 20:40 - I SEE THIS THING AS BEING SUCH A HUGE ISSUE NOT ONLY WITHIN OUR 20:45 CHURCH, BUT THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH IN GENERAL. 20:47 BUT THE FOUNDING FATHERS CHOSE TO TAKE THE LAST SIX 20:52 COMMANDMENTS OUR DUTIES TO MAN AND REALLY ADOPT THOSE AS PART 20:56 OF OUR CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 21:00 ADULTERY IS ALWAYS BEEN SINCE THE BEGINNING WAS A SIN. 21:05 ADULTERY, AND WAS A CRIME. IN 1718, UNTIL RECENTLY IN SOME 21:11 STATES ON THE BOOKS IT STILL IS. ADULTERY. 21:13 BUT WHAT WE'RE HAVING NOW IS THE ISSUE COMING UP IS THAT, WELL, 21:19 SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IS NOT REALLY OR HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT WRONG 21:24 ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE. AND SO WE ALWAYS SAY WELL, LOOK, 21:27 HERE'S ALL OF THESE SCRIPTURES. I TALKED TO SOMEONE LAST WEEK, 21:31 WATCHED SOMEONE WHO'S A PASTOR WHO JUST SAID A FEW WEEKS AGO 21:34 I'M BISEXUAL. SO I'M COMING OUT AS BISEXUAL. 21:40 BUT HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT REALLY TALKED ABOUT. 21:50 SODOM AND GOMORRAH, THAT'S JUST ABOUT ARROGANCY. 21:54 THEY TALK ABOUT CASTRATING YOUNG MEN. 22:00 WHAT'S WRONG WHEN THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALTY RAPE, 22:09 INCEST, ALL THESE THINGS, IF TWO PEOPLE LOVE EACH OTHER THAT'S 22:12 OKAY. BUT THE INROADS, LET ME GIVE YOU 22:14 SOME OF THAT, BUT THE BIG PICTURE IS THIS, TO ME. 22:18 IF WE ACCEPT THIS COMING INTO OUR CHURCHES AS CHRISTIAN 22:26 CHURCHES THAT NUMBER ONE HIJO MO SEXUALITY OR SAME-SEX MARRIAGE 22:30 IS ACCEPTABLE BEFORE GOD. NOW AS I SAID EARLIER, WE ALL 22:36 SIN. WE ALL HAVE SIN. 22:37 BUT WHEN WE OPENLY REBEL AGAINST GOD'S LAW, THAT'S SIN. 22:41 TRANSGRESSION OF THE SOUL. SIN IS REBELLION TO PURPOSELY 22:44 SAY I KNOW WHAT THE LAW IS BUT I DON'T CARE OR I'M GOING TO LIVE 22:48 MY LIFE THE WAY I WANT TO, RIGHT? 22:50 SO THE BIG PICTURE OF THIS IS TO ME, YVONNE, WOULD BE COMING 22:55 HAVING THIS COME INTO THE CHURCH AND PEOPLE ACCEPTING IT. 22:59 BECAUSE I'M SEEING IT. OUR CHURCHES, ALL THE OTHER 23:02 CHRISTIAN CHURCHES. THE LAW OF GOD HAS MADE A 23:07 NON-EFFECT. BECAUSE WHEN THIS COMES IN, BUT 23:09 WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS THAN THE OTHER ONES IF A PERSON - 23:13 - I'VE EXPLAINED THS BEFORE. IF A PERSON, SHELLEY, COMES TO 23:16 YOUR CHURCH AND SAYS LOOK, I'M, UM, YOU KNOW, CLEPTOMANIAC, I 23:24 STEAL. MY FATHER STOLE, MY GRAND 23:26 FATHER, BUT I REALLY WANT TO BE YOUR TREASURE. 23:30 COULD YOU GUYS VOTE ME IN TO BE YOUR TREASURE? 23:34 WHAT WOULD THEY PROBABLY SAY? THEN AM I GOING TO BE OFFENDED 23:38 AND SAY I COME FROM A LINE, THIS IS NOT REALLY I WAS KIND OF BORN 23:41 THAT WAY. LET'S SAY MY MOTHER WAS AN 23:45 ALCOHOLIC. OR DRUG ADDICT AND SO I WAS BORN 23:47 WITH A DRUG ADDITION. BUT LATER IN LIFE, I GIVE MY 23:50 LIFE TO JESUS, BUT I COME TO YOUR CHURCH AND SAY YOU KNOW 23:54 WHAT? I STILL DO DRUGS, OR I'M AN 23:57 ALCOHOLIC, BUT I WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO BE A CHOIR 24:01 DIRECTOR. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO SAY TO ME? 24:08 >> NO. >> Danny Shelton: WHY NOT? 24:09 WHY CAN'T I BE? BECAUSE IT'S CONSIDERED SIN. 24:12 IT'S CONSIDERED AGAINST GOD'S LAWS. 24:15 IT'S TRANSGRESSION AGAINST GOD'S LAWS. LET'S JUST SAY THAT I'M A 24:21 GOSSIPER, I'LL ADMIT IT. I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE. 24:24 BUT MY FAMILY ALL DOES IT, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH DO IT, 24:28 BUT I WANT TO BE ASSISTANT TO THE PASTOR, WHERE I HAVE ALL HIS 24:33 RECORDS AND THE CONVERSATION, AND KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. 24:35 WHAT YOU GOING TO SAY TO ME? >> NO. 24:39 >> YOU'RE GOING TO SAY NO. I COULD GO DOWN ANY ONE OF THESE 24:46 COMMANDMENTS AND THE CHURCH WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM IN SAYING WELL, 24:48 I'M SORRY WE CAN'T ELECT YOU TO BE IN A POSITION OF LEADERSHIP. 24:53 NOW, WE WANT YOU TO COME TO CHURCH, WE WANT TO LOVE YOUR 24:56 EARS OFF, AND WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BE A GOOD EXAMPLE TO YOU 25:01 BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE PART, AS FAR AS BEING A LEADER 25:04 IN THIS CHURCH, BECAUSE IT'S A BAD EXAMPLE. 25:07 THE ONLY ONE THAT THEY SAY YES TO IS I'M A HOMOSEXUAL. 25:13 AND ALREADY I KNOW OF CHURCHES WHO HAVE HIRED OPENLY GAY 25:18 HOMOSEXUALS WHO SAY BUT I WAS BORN THAT WAY. 25:21 THAT'S MY NATURALLY TENDENCY, AND I CAN'T HELP IT. 25:25 AND SO IT'S SAME-SEX, UM, MARRIAGE IS LAW OF THE LAND NOW. 25:31 UH, THANKS TO THE LAST ADMINISTRATION. 25:33 IT'S LAW OF THE LAND. AND SO I SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE A 25:37 CHOIR DIRECTOR IN YOUR CHURCH OR THE ORGANIST. 25:42 OR SOME OF THE PASTORS ARE SAYING I'M THAT WAY AND THEY'RE 25:45 ACTUALLY COMING OUT. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT COMING 25:48 OUT MINISTRIES, BUT WHEN WE DO THAT THERE'S SO MUCH EMOTION 25:52 INVOLVED. WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO OFFEND 25:53 THESE PEOPLE. BUT WE DIDN'T CARE TO OFFEND 25:56 THEM WHEN IT CAME TO STANDING UP FOR DRUGS, OR ALCOHOL, OR 26:00 TOBACCO. OR I SAY LOOK, I WANT TO BE A 26:06 SABBATH SCHOOL TEACHER. I THINK YOU CAN GO TO CHURCH ANY 26:08 DAY YOU WANT, BUT I WANT TO BE YOUR SABBATH SCHOOL TEACHER AT 26:12 CHURCH. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME? 26:14 NO. I'M GOING TO SAY WAIT A MINUTE, 26:17 WHY NOT? THAT'S OFFENSIVE TO ME. 26:20 PEOPLE SAY WHAT IS WRONG WITH HIM? 26:22 BUT WHEN I COME TO YOU AND SAY I'M OPENLY GAY, EVERYBODY SAYS 26:27 WE JUMP BACK AND SAY WE'D BETTER NOT - - AND THEY HAVE THE 26:32 SUPPORT. YOU MENTIONED IT AWHILE AGO, 26:33 WHAT HAPPENED IS, AND THIS IS SATAN THAT SAYS IT'S POSSIBLE WE 26:39 WOULD - - THIS TO ME IS AMAZING, YVONNE, AND YOU REALLY HELPED ME 26:43 WITH THIS. THE NAACP, WHEN THE GAY 26:50 COMMUNITY CONNECTED AND GOT THE SUPPORT OF THE NAACP, WHAT 26:53 HAPPENED IS THEY TOOK SAME-SEX MARRIAGE FROM A MORAL ISSUE TO A 27:00 CIVIL ISSUE. AM I RIGHT? 27:05 >> Yvonne Lewis: YES. >> Danny Shelton: NOW WE DON'T 27:06 TALK ABOUT IT BEING A MORAL ISSUE ANYMORE. 27:12 >> Shelley Quinn: IT MADE HOMOSEXUALITY A MINORITY STATUS. 27:16 YOU KNOW, DANNY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WERE SAYING AND 27:18 TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IN CHURCHES IS WE'VE GOT SO MANY 27:23 PEOPLE HIRNG OPENLY GAY PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH. 27:26 I THINK PART OF THE REASON IS WE'VE GONE SO LONG WITHOUT 27:29 TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUE THAT MANY PEOPLE DON'T KOA EVEN KNOW 27:32 WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE ISSUE SO WE CONTINUE TO BE FEARFUL ABOUT 27:35 ADDRESSING AN ISSUE THAT WE COULD DO IN A LOVING AND 27:39 COMPASSIONATE WAY THAT DOESN'T COMPROMISE, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE SO 27:42 AFRAID OF THE ISSUE WE'VE GOT PEOPLE ALL OVER THE SPECTRUM NOT 27:45 KNOWING WHAT TO DO IS AND SAYING I'LL JUST LOVE THEM AND GIVE 27:49 THEM A POSITION INSTEAD OF BEING THIS CONDEMNING CHRISTIAN 27:54 THROUGH THE MEDIA THAT IS SO WRONG. 27:55 I THINK THAT YOUR BOOK IS REALLY BENEFICIAL BECAUSE WHAT I WAS 27:59 REALLY IMPRESSED WITH, DANNY, AND I'LL BE HONEST FOR A 28:02 HETEROSEXUAL MAN TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE THAT DOESN'T COME ACROSS 28:05 AS, UM, ALMOST INDIFFERENT TO THE ISSUE, WHAT I SAW WAS A LOT 28:09 OF COMPASSION THAT DIDN'T COMP COMPROMISE, BUT INSTEAD IS IS 28:14 SAW THAT I DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE AND I DON'T STRUGGLE WITH THAT, 28:17 BUT I KNOW WHAT STRUGGLE IS. YOU REALLY ADDRESSED THAT. 28:20 I LIKE THAT YOU THREW YOURSELF SELF UNDER THE BUS AS FAR AS 28:22 KNOWING THAT WE ALL STRUGGLE WITH SOMETHING. 28:24 AND TO RECOGNIZE THAT HEY, YOU KNOW, HOMOSEXUALITY DOESN'T HAVE 28:29 TO BE THIS THING OUT THERE IN THE STR ATOSPHERE OUT THERE, BUT 28:36 PUT IT BACK IN THE POT WITH STRUGGLE AND AUTOMATICALLY IT 28:39 DOESN'T HAVE AS MUCH STEAM OR MOVEMENT, I DON'T THINK, ONCE WE 28:43 REALIZE THAT HEY, WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER. 28:46 YOUR ISSUE MAY NOT BE MINE, BUT WE HAVE THEM. 28:48 I THINK THAT'S REALLY THAT COMES ACROSS REALLY NICELY IN YOUR 28:54 BOOK. >> CA Murray: WONDERFUL, PRAISE 28:55 THE LORD. WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU CALL IN 28:57 LATER ON IF YOU CHOOSE, RIGHT? MAYBE QUESTIONS THE SECOND HOUR 29:01 WE'LL TRY TO GET TO SOME OF THOSE. 29:02 BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MIKE, I'D LIKE YOU-TO ADDRESS THIS. 29:08 MIKE MINISTRY IS COMING OUT MINISTRIES AND YOU KNOW USED TO 29:12 SAY HE CAME OUT OF THE CLOSET, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT TERM CAME 29:16 FROM. YOU'RE HIDING AND COME OUT SUD 29:18 LANE NOW YOU'RE TELLING EVERYBODY. 29:24 >> Mike Carducci: JESUS SAID IT FIRST, COMING OUT OF DARKNESS.-WE HAD IT FIRST. 29:28 >> CA Murray: BUT I WANT YOU TO TALK ABOUT YOUR, FOR INSTANCE, 29:33 WHEN YOU WERE GROWING UP, YOU WERE A CHILD, BECAUSE PEOPLE - 29:35 - IN FACT, I TALKED TO SOMEONE TODAY HE SAID I DIDN'T KNOW 29:39 UNTIL JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO THAT PEOPLE WERE BORN WITH THIS 29:44 TENDENCY, I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST A CHOICE. 29:46 BUT YOU DIDN'T DECIDE IT U FOUR, FIVE, SIX, EIGHT, TEN YEARS OLD 29:50 I THINK I WANT TO BE GAY. IS THAT RIGHT? 29:53 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE BORN WITH IT OR NOT AND I DON'T KNOW IF 29:56 THERE'S ANYBODY THAT CAN SCIENTIFICALLY GO ONE WAY OR THE 29:58 OTHER, BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOU INDIVIDUALLY BECAUSE NOW 30:01 FROM WHERE YOU ARE, YOUR POSITION, DID YOU JUST PURPOSELY 30:05 SAY I THINK I WANT TO BE GAY? OR DID YOU HAVE THAT TENDENCY 30:11 THAT YOU SAID THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO BE? 30:13 I'M ATTRACTED? >> IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE ABLE TO 30:17 TALK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE AT 40 YEARS OLD WHEN I CAME BACK TO 30:20 GOD, I WANTED TO KNOW HOW THIS HAPPENED. 30:22 I WANTED TO KNOW WHY AT MY EARLIEST THOUGHTS, I KNEW I WAS 30:27 DIFFERENT AND IT WASN'T SEXUALIZED FOR ME. 30:29 BECAUSE OF INJECTION OF BECAUSE OF THE REJECTION OF MY FATHER 30:33 WHO WAS ABUSIVE OR UNAVAILABLE, FOR ME I STARTED PATTERNING 30:38 AFTER MY MOTHER. DEFENSIVE DETACHMENT HAPPENS 30:42 WITH BOYS AND GIRLS. ALL OF A SUDDEN AT THREE, FOUR 30:45 YEARS OLD Y DIDN'T LIKE PLAYING WITH DOLLS, I DIDN'T LIKE 30:48 TRUCKS, I DIDN'T LIKE SPORTS, I LIKED DOING THE THINGS MY 30:51 MOTHERS AND SISTERS DID. MY PATTERNS BECAME FEMININE. 30:55 WHEN I STARTED SCHOOL, THE BOYS MADE IT VERY OBVIOUS THIS GUY'S 30:59 GOT SOME ISSUES SO THE ONE THING THAT I NEEDED WAS MASCULINE 31:03 AFFIRMATION. I NEEDED TO KNOW THAT I WAS 31:05 ACCEPTABLE AS A MALE. THE ONLY ACCEPTANCE I FOUND WAS 31:09 IN CROSS DRESSING WITH MY SISTERS AND MY MOM, AND THE KIDS 31:12 THAT PUSHED ME AWAY WITH THEIR NAME-CALLING. 31:14 WHAT THAT DID IS THAT, THAT MADE THE GULF EVEN DEEPER OF THIS 31:19 INABILITY TO CONNECT WITH MEN. SO IT BECAME SEXUALIZED AT 31:23 PUBERTY. SO I NEVER THOUGHT THAT I WAS 31:25 GAY. I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THOSE 31:27 ATTRACTIONS, I WAS NEVER MOLESTED SO NONE OF THAT 31:29 SEXUALITY WAS AWAKENED IN MY UNTIL PUBERTY. 31:34 FEELING INADEQUATE AS A MALE, I THOUGHT THE ONLY SOLUTION WAS TO 31:37 BE A FEMALE. I REMEMBER PRAYING TO GOD AND 31:40 ASKING HIM THAT HE WOULD TURN ME INTO A LITTLE GIRL AND IT WOULD 31:43 ALL BE SETTLED. THAT FOLLOWED ME UNTIL I WAS 20 31:46 YEARS OLD. WHAT WAS SO SHOCKING IS THAT AT 31:49 20 YEARS OLD IT WASN'T LIKE I HAD THIS MIRACLE FROM GOD AND 31:55 NOW SATISFIED WITH MY MALE PARTS. 31:57 IT WAS WHEN I WENT INTO GAY CULTURE I FOUND THAT MASCULINITY 32:04 WAS MORE VALUABLE THAN FEMININITY. 32:07 I NEEDED AFFIRMATION FROM MEN. DOESN'T IT MAKE SENSE I MIGHT-SEEK IT ANY WAY I CAN GET THAT 32:14 SATISFIED. AT 20 YEARS OLD I FINALLY WAS 32:17 SATISFIED REALIZING I'M GLAD I DIDN'T HAVE A SEX CHANGE. 32:20 UNTIL I WAS 20 YEARS OLD I WOULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY HAD THAT SEX 32:23 CHANGE HAD IT BEEN AVAILABLE FOR ME AT THAT TIME. 32:26 AT 40 YEARS OLD, COMING BACK INTO CHURCH CULTURE, AFER 20 32:30 YEARS OF LIVING IN GAY CULTURE, IT WAS REALLY DIFFICULT BECAUSE 32:34 NOT ONLY WAS I GETTING REJECTION FROM THE GAY COMMUNITY, I WAS 32:37 GETTING REJECTION STILL FROM THE CHURCH THAT I CAME INTO. 32:42 EVEN MY CLIENTS THAT WOULD COME IN, THEY WOULD SAY MIKE, YOU'RE 32:44 GAY, THAT'S JUST WHO YOU ARE. SO IT WAS REALLY DIFFICULT. 32:48 >> WHAT WERE YOU IN? >> Mike Carducci: I WAS A 32:53 HAIRDRESSER. I WAS IN BUSINESS WITH MY LOVER. 32:56 MY BOYFRIEND ACTUALLY TOOK ME TO THE PRIEST AT THE GAY CHURCH AND 32:59 SHE SAT DOWN AND SHOWED ME ALL THOSE VERSES, GAVE ME ALL OF 33:04 THOSE EXPLANATIONS FOR, UH, IT WAS BASICALLY IN HOSPITALITY, 33:09 THE SIN OF SODOM AND GOMORRA, I WAS REALLY RESPONDING TO AN 33:16 INVITATION FROM CHRIST. I LOOKED AT HER, AND AS 33:18 DESPERATE AS I WAS TO HANG ON TO MY BOYFRIEND I THOUGHT THAT'S 33:22 RIDICULOUS, THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE. 33:24 AND IT DIDN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT I WAS STILL STRUGGLING WITH 33:26 A LOT OF CONFUSION, THAT I WASN'T GETTING ANSWERS IN OUR 33:30 CHURCH OR OUR DENOMINATION. SO I PUT THE RESPONSIBILITY ON 33:34 GOD, NOT KNOWING WHERE ELSE TO TURN. 33:35 WHAT WAS SO BEAUTIFUL THE LORD STARTED TO SHOW ME THERE WAS 33:38 SCIENCE TO BACK UP SOME OF WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO ME. 33:41 AND THEN THE BIBLE CAME IN AND STARTED TO AFFIRM THE SCIENCE 33:45 THAT I WAS DISCOVERING AS WELL, AND GOD HIMSELF PERSONALLY 33:49 REVEALED SOME OF THAT TO ME. AS SHOCKED AS YOU MIGHT BE, I AM 33:52 JUST AS SHOCKED TO THINK THAT I AM SITTING HERE, YOU KNOW, WITH 33:55 THIS WONDERFUL PANEL, AND TALKING ABOUT MY SAVIOR WHEN 33:58 JUST A FEW YEARS AGO I HAD A DINNER PARTY CELEBRATING ELLEN 34:03 DEGENERES COMING OUT ON HER TELEVISION SHOW. VERN QUITE A 34:07 TRANSFORMATION, GOD IS AMAZING. >> YEAH. 34:11 >> I WAS JUST THINKING TO YOUR EARLIER COMMENT ABOUT MEDIA IN 34:14 THE BOOK, WE SEE PROGRAMS IT'S OKAY TO NAME A PROGRAM, ISN'T 34:20 IT? LIKE MODERN FAMILY. 34:22 I UNDERSTAND THIS IS AN EXCEPTIONALLY WELL-CAST PROGRAM, 34:25 AND PEOPLE SAY THAT IT'S SO FUNNY, YOU KNOW? 34:29 IT'S JUST FUN. AND I'VE TALKED WITH CHRISTIANS 34:32 WHO WATCH THIS. WHAT THEY DON'T REALIZE, I-ALWAYS SAY SATAN WHEN HE WHEN HE 34:38 IS TRYING TO PASS OFF SIN, HE DOESN'T PUT IT IN A PAPER, BROWN 34:44 PAPER BAG AND MAKE IT LOOK UGLY. WHAT HE WILL DO IS PUT IT IN 34:49 SHINY FOIL PAPER WITH A NICE, SATURN RIBBON. 34:56 WHAT HE HANDS YOU IT'S NOTHING MORE THAN GIFT-WRAPPED GARBAGE.-úPEOPLE THINK IT'S JUST FUN. 35:06 OR PEOPLE WHO APPROVE OF A LIFESTYLE BY PUTTING SOMEONE 35:11 INTO A CHURCH LEADERSHIP POSITION, OR THE LADY THAT YOU 35:14 SAW AT THE GAY CHURCH AND YOU SAID WHAT IS SHE SAYING, IT 35:18 DOESN'T MAKE SENSE? MAY I JUST QUICKLY READ 35:21 SOMETHING? >> SURE. 35:22 >> IN ROMANS CHAPTER ONE, WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE DOING IS 35:27 EXCHANGING A TRUTH - - . >> OKAY. 35:29 >> FOR A LIE. HE SAYS, UH, GOD GAVE THEM UP TO 35:34 THE TO DISHONOR THEIR BODIES AMONG THEMSELVES WHO EXCHANGED 35:37 THE TRUTH OF GOD FOR THE LIE. AND IT GOES ON AND HE'S TALKING 35:41 ABOUT THEIR VILE PASSIONS. WOMEN, UH, EXCHANGING THE 35:47 NATURAL USE FOR WHAT IS AGAINST NATURE, LIKEWISE ALSO MEN BURNED 35:54 IN THEIR LUST FOR ONE ANOTHER. THEN COMMITTING WHAT IS 35:59 SHAMEFUL. AND HE GOES ON TO THE POINT, 36:02 THIS IS THE SUMMARY OF IT ALL, HE'S SAYING TO US THAT YOU, WHO 36:08 KNOW THE RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT OF GOD, KNOWING THAT THE RIGHTEOUS 36:12 JUDGMENT OF GOD THAT THOSE WHO PRACTICE SUCH THINGS ARE 36:16 DESERVING OF DEATH. NOT ONLY DO THE SAME, BUT ALSO APPROVE OF 36:22 THOSE WHO PRACTICE THEM. SO OUR WATCHING AND CLAPPING OUR 36:27 HANDS OVER SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IS FUNNY AND ENTERTAINING, 36:31 WE'RE ACTUALLY APPROVING OF THE PRACTICE. 36:35 OUR PROMOTING SOMEONE TO A POSITION OF AUTHORITY, WE'RE 36:39 ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT - - IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, WHEN 36:43 SOMEONE COMES INTO THE CHURCH WE WANT TO LOVE THEM. 36:46 I'M SORRY YOU FELT REJECTION-BECAUSE WHAT WE TRY TO DO, WE HAD SOMEONE WHO COMES TO OUR 36:51 CHURCH AND WE TRIED TO MAKE HIM FEEL SO LOVED AND WE DO 36:56 EVERYTHING TO LET HIM KNOW THAT HE IS GOD'S CHILD. 36:58 BUT AT THE SAME POINT AND TIME, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT HIM IN A 37:04 LEADERSHIP POSITION BECAUSE, THINKING, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE 37:06 HIM IF WE LOVE HIM INTO LEADERSHIP. 37:10 BECAUSE THEN WE'RE APPROVING OF THE PRACTICE AND WE CONFUSE 37:13 YOUNG MINDS. >> CA Murray: A COUPLE OF THINGS 37:17 COME TO MIND. YOU HAVE TO SHOW FRUIT OF YOUR 37:21 MINISTRY, UH, BEFORE YOU ARE PLACED INTO MINISTRY. 37:25 BUT, UM, I JUST READ, I SPENT SOME TIME ONLINE THIS AFTERNOON 37:29 JUST TO SEE WHAT POPULAR CULTURE WAS SAYING ON THE INTERNET, THAT 37:34 THERE IS A REVIONIST DOCTRINE OF THAT WHOLE PASSAGE YOU RED. 37:40 MIKE, YOU ALLUDED TO THE REVISIONEST DOCTRINE OF SODOM 37:49 AND GOMORRAH. THAT IT WAS NOT HOMOSEXUALITY, 37:57 THE PROBLEM IS IT WAS INHOSPITAL ITY. 38:03 BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IF YOU WANT TO FIND SOMETHING TO 38:09 BUTTRESS YOUR MIND SET NO MATTER HOW PERVERTED OR TWISTED YOU CAN 38:12 GO TO THE INTERNET AND FIND REAMES OF THINGS THAT WILL 38:15 REINFORCE YOUR POSITION. WHICH IS WHY THE INTERNET IS NOT 38:18 THE WORD OF GOD, THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD. 38:21 SO YOU CANNOT TAKE YOUR DOCTRINAL PREMISE JUST FROM 38:24 READING THE INTER-T. YOU'VE GOT TO STAY WITH THE WORD 38:27 OF GOD. YOU'VE GOT TO PRAY BEFORE YOU READ THE WORD OF GOD 38:31 BECAUSE YOU CAN GET ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT WILL MAKE YOU EVEN 38:34 MORE CONFUSED THAN YOU ARE WHEN YOU BEGAN. 38:38 >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LOVE ABOUT WHAT YOU DID WITH THE 38:41 BOOK, YOU CONSISTENTLY BUILD YOUR CASE, SO TO SPEAK, FROM THE 38:44 WORD. IT'S NOT WHAT DANNY THINKS, IT'S 38:47 WHAT DOES THE WORD OF GOD SAY. AND THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT 38:50 BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW HOW - - WHAT IS GOING ON IN SOCIETY AS 38:57 IT PERTAINS TO THE WORD OF GOD. VERN THAT'S ONE THE THINGS 39:00 THAT'S REALLY GOOD YOU ACTUALLY LOGICALLY BUILD YOUR POSITION, 39:07 THE BIBLICAL POSITION, WITHIN THE BOOK, AND IT, AND IT, IT'S 39:11 SO HELPFUL BECAUSE IT'S VERY LOGICAL. 39:16 I THINK THAT ANYBODY WHO READS THIS HAS TO UNDERSTAND THAT, HAS 39:19 TO SEE THAT THIS COMES FROM THE LORD. 39:21 THIS IS COMING FROM THE WORD. >: YOU KNOW, IT WAS FUNNY 39:24 BECAUSE AS I STARTED TO READ THE BOOK, I THOUGHT WOW, HE'S HE'S 39:29 COMING RIGHT OF THE BLOCKS WITH IT, TALKING ABOUT ABORTION, 39:32 HOMOSEXUALITY, TRANSGENDERRISM. THEN ALL OF A SUD YOUNG PEOPLE 39:34 STARTED BRINGING IT AROUND TO THE LAW AND THE SABBATH AND I GO 39:37 REALLY, THAT'S A STRETCH, WHERE'S HE GOING WITH THIS. 39:40 AS IT STARTED TO UNFOLD EVEN FOR ME FOR TALKING ABOUT THE SABBATH 39:44 AS A CORNERSTONE AND A CORNERSTONE THAT HOLDS 39:47 EVERYTHING ELSE UP, WOW, I REALLY SAW HOW YOU TAKE OUT ONE 39:51 OF THOSE LAWS, EVEN THE ONE THAT GOD SAYS REMEMBER, AND BAM, 39:55 YOU'VE LOST EVERYTHING. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 39:58 >> YOU HAVE NO GROUNDING AT ALL. THE SAD REALITY IS THOSE OF US 40:01 WHO STILL HOLD ON TO THE SABBATH TRUTH, HOW SAD THAT WE'RE BEING 40:05 INFLUENCED BY THE WORLD AND WE'RE LETTING GO OF SOME OF THE 40:07 PRINCIPLES AND CAUSING OUR OWN, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD 40:10 CALL IT, DEMOLITION FROM INSIDE. >> CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION, 40:19 MIKE, HOW DID YOU - - YOU BEGAN COMING BACK TO THE CHURCH, HOW 40:21 DID YOU FINALLY, AFTER TALKING WITH THIS FEMALE PASTOR OF THE 40:27 GAY CHURCH, SHE'S TRYING TO DO REVISION, HOW DID YOU WAKE UP TO 40:31 THE TRUTH AND ACTALLY COME OUT OF THAT DARKNESS INTO THE LORD 40:38 LIGHT? >> Mike Carducci: THE LORD 40:42 DIDN'T DRAG ME KICKING AND SCREAMING, BUT I WA CLOSE. 40:45 I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT IT WAS JUST BING OVER THE HEAD AND I WAS 40:48 READY TO START DATING WOMEN AND ALL OF THAT, BUT THERE WAS SO 40:51 MUCH HISTORY THAT REALLY HAD TO BE ADDRESSED. 40:54 AND HOW WONDERFUL THAT GOD DIDN'T JUST GIVE IT TO ME AND 40:58 SAY HERE'S YOUR GARBAGE, MIKE, DEAL WITH IT. 41:04 HE GAVE ME WHAT I COULD HANDLE AT A TIME I COULD HANDLE IT. 41:07 I THOUGHT I NEEDED TO BE BAPTIZED AGAIN. I DIDN'T COME 41:10 UP OUT OF THE WATER STRAIGHT, READY TO DATE, MATE, AND PRO 41:14 CREATE. SO FOR ME I THOUGHT I HAD DONE 41:16 SOMETHING WRONG. I THINK WE DO A LOT OF PEOPLE A 41:18 DISSERVICE WHEN YOU GET BAPTIZED AND WE THINK WELL, YOU'VE GOT 41:21 THE 28 FUNDAMENTALS, BE ON YOUR WAY. 41:27 THAT'S REALLY WHEN IT STARTED BEGINNING FOR ME. 41:29 I WAS STILL IN A RELATIONSHIP, THE PASTOR WOULD NOT HAVE 41:32 BAPTIZED ME HAD HE KNOWN THAT. AS I WAS BEGINNING THIS JOURNEY 41:35 NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M READING UNIN THE WORD OF GOD HE'S SAYING 41:40 THAT HOMOSEXUAL PRACTICE IS AN U BALM NATION. I'M THINKING HOW 41:44 COULD YOU BE SO LOVING AND TELL ME MY RELATIONSHIP ISN'T RIGHT? 41:48 AS I WAS DESPERATELY TRYING TO HANG ON TO MY RELATIONSHIP, BUT 41:53 AS I WAS EXPERIENCING JESUS CHRIST, WHAT WAS INCREDIBLE ISI 41:56 CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU HOW OR WHY I REALIZED WHEN I NEEDED TO MAKE A 42:04 DECISION, I NEEDED CHRIST MORE THAN I NEEDED THAT BOYFRIEND I 42:10 SAID IF YOU WANT ME OUT OF HAT RELATIONSHIP YOU'RE GOING TO 42:12 HAVE TO DO IT YOURSELF. AND THE LORD SAID, I THINK, I'LL 42:17 GET RIGHT ON THAT. A FEW WEEKS LATER MY BOYFRIEND 42:20 BROKE UP WITH ME. WHAT WAS SO BEAUTIFUL IS THAT 42:22 FOR EVERYTHING THAT I FELT THAT I WAS GIVING UP, WHETHER IT WAS 42:26 PHYSICALLY, THE THINGS THAT I HAD INDULGED IN FOR YEARS, THE 42:30 THINGS I DIDN'T THINK WERE INTERCHANGEABLE. 42:32 AS I JUST STARTED EMPTYING OUT MYSELF AND LEARNING TO TRUST 42:35 JESUS CHRIST. I THINK THAT IT'S A FAIR-STATEMENT TO SAY THAT THAT TAKES 42:39 TIME. ANY RELATIONSHIP TAKES TIME. 42:41 AS I REALLY STARTED TO REALIZE THAT HE WAS MORE FAITHFUL TO ME 42:46 THAN I WAS TO HIM, I STARTED TO REALIZE I COULD TRUST HIM WITH 42:49 MORE AND MORE OF MY HEART, AND MORE ISSUES IN MY LIFE. 42:54 SO, SHELLEY, IT WASN'T AN INSTANTANEOUS THING, BUT I'M 43:00 JUST GLAD HE HUNG IN THERE. >> Shelley Quinn: HE SAYS YOU 43:06 HAVE TO BE BORN AGAIN TO SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD. 43:08 AND YOU HAVE TO BE BORN AGAIN TO ENTER. 43:11 WHEN YOU'RE BORN AGAIN YOU START SEEING THROUGH NEW EYES BECAUSE 43:15 THE HOLY SPIRIT IS HELPING YOU UNDERSTAND. 43:18 YOU SEE THE TRUTH FIRST, AND THEN GOD EMPOWERS YOU BY HIS 43:24 SPIRIT TO ENTER IT. THAT'S BEAUTIFUL, YOU WERE BORN 43:26 AGAIN AND YOU DIDN'T REALIZE IT, BUT WHEN YOU DID GO UNDER THE 43:30 WATER, YOU BURIED YOUR PAST. YOU CAME UP, AND YOU MAY NOT 43:36 HAVE CHANGED RIGHT AWAY, AS FAR AS GOD'S CONCERNED YOUR PAST WAS 43:41 BURIED AND HE WAS PUTTING YOU ON A NEW PATH. 43:49 >> Mike Carducci: THANK YOU. >> CA Murray: I THINK IN 43:50 LISTENING TO YOUR STORY - - THE CALL FOR YOU AND ANYONE IN SIN 43:53 IS NOT TO STOP DOING THE SIN. THE CALL IS TO LOVE JESUS, AND 43:59 FOLLOW YOUR HEART.-ú>> Shelley Quinn: AMEN. >> CA Murray: AND THEN JESUS 44:04 LIVES OUT HIS LIFE THROUGH YOU. THE STOPPING OF THE SIN IS A 44:08 PRODUCT OF THE RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS. 44:10 IF YOU HAVE NO RELATIONSHIP, YOU HAVE NO STRENGTH. 44:16 >> Mike Carducci: HE DIDN'T SAY STOP BEING GAY. 44:18 I COULDN'T CHANGE THE ATTRACTION OR THE HE JUST SAID STOP 44:22 RESISTING ME. BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW HIM. 44:24 AS I LEARNED TO TRUST HIM MORE AND RESISTED HIM LESS, THEN IT 44:28 WAS EASIER TO GIVE UP THESE THINGS THAT WERE REALLY JUST 44:34 BROKEN CISTERNS. >> CA Murray: PAUL DOESN'T SAY I 44:39 BESEECH YOU PRESENT YOUR BODY AS A LIVING SACRIFICE AND THAT 44:44 LIVING SACRIFICE WILL TAKE CARE OF THE GAY ISSUE. 44:48 ANY ISSUE. THE REMEDY IS THE SAME. 44:51 PRESENT YOUR BODY TO JESUS AND JESUS WORKS IN YOU, FOR YOU, 44:54 WITH YOU, TO YOU TO STOP WHAT THAT SIN PATTERN IS. 44:59 >> Shelley Quinn: I JUST HAVE TO SAY THIS, I THINK MY NEW 45:02 FAVORITE SCRIPTURE IS ROMANS - - EXCUSE ME, HEBREWS 7: 22. 45:07 GOD JUST OPENED THIS UP TO MEME. I'VE BEEN STUDYING THE COVENANT 45:13 AND PRESENTING THE COVENANT FOR YEAR. 45:17 I HAD AN EXPERIENCE IN FEBRUARY WHEN I WAS OUT AT THE CENTRAL 45:22 CALIFORNIA. IT WAS SO FASCINATING TO SEE 45:24 PEOPLE'S REACTION TO REALLY START SEEING ABOUT THE COVENANTS 45:28 OF GOD. BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THIS 45:30 SCRIPTURE, I MEAN, IT DIDN'T HIT ME UNTIL JUST RECENTLY. 45:34 LISTEN TO THIS, IT'S TALKING ABOUT JESUS AND HE SAYS BY SO 45:38 MUCH MORE JESUS HAS BECOME A SURETY OF A BETTER COVENANT. 45:44 AND THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY HE'S THE SURETY. 46:23 >> HE'S GOING TO FINISH THE GOOD WORK HE BEGINS IN US. SO 46:26 THAT'S WHAT HAPPEN SAID TO YOU. YOU COULDN'T DO IT IN YOUR OWN 46:29 STRENGTH, BUT THE SURETY. >> WE'RE SO HAPPY FOR YOUR BOOK. 46:43 I DID A STUDY ON WHICH MEANS AS YOU PARSE IT OUT, ANY TIME, ANY 46:49 PLACE, ANYWHERE, ANY PERSON, ANYHOW BY ANY MEANS, EVERY 46:53 PERSON, EVERY TIME, EVERY PLACE, IN ANY PLACE IN ANY MATTER BY 46:57 ANY MEANS NECESSARY, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSONANTS IN THAT WORD, 47:05 UTTERMOST. THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN BRING 47:06 THAT CHRIST HASN'T SEEN BEFORE, AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN 47:08 BRING THAT CHRIST HAS NOT CURED BEFORE. 47:10 SO THERE'S NOTHING NEW UNDER HEAVEN HE'S DEALT WITH THIS 47:15 BEFORE, AND HE'S DEALT WITH THIS SUCCESSFUL 47:21 SUCCESSFULLY. >> Mike Carducci: THERE'S SO 47:22 MUCH SEXUAL BROKENNESS THAT I FOUND IN THIS MINISTRY IN THE 47:25 LAST SIX YEARS, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT OUR STORIES IN COMING 47:28 OUT MINISTRIES, BUT WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE COMING FORWARD THAT 47:32 NEVER STRUGGLED WITH HOMOSEXUAL ATTRACTION, BUT THEY STRUGGLE 47:35 WITH PORNOGRAPHY ADDICTION OR SEXUAL ADDICTION FROM THE 47:38 PASTORS ON DOWN. AS PART OF THE ISSUES IS THAT 47:43 ARE WE REALLY SURE THAT JESUS CAN HEAL ANY CONDITION? 47:49 IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING VICTORY ON YOUR LIFE, YOU MIGHT SAY LET THE 47:56 GAY GUY BRING HIS BOYFRIEND IN. HE MAY AS WELL JOIN US TOO. 47:59 I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF TRUTH IN THAT, THAT WE'RE JUST NOT 48:02 SEEING THE POWER OF GOD MANIFESTED. 48:09 >> Shelley Quinn: AND I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE NOT 48:11 SURRENDERING. ANY TIME WE TRY TO WORK OUT OUR 48:15 OWN SALVATION WITHOUT HIS POWER WE'RE GOING TO FAIL. 48:19 EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY TIME. >> AND SO MANY PEOPLE WE KNOW 48:23 OBEDIENCE IS IMPORTANT, BUT OBEDIENCE BECAUSE IT IS THE 48:27 PATHSWAY TO GOD'S BLESSING. BUT OBEDIENCE IS ONLY BY HIS 48:31 POWER. IT'S BY GRACE. 48:35 WHEN YOU TRY TO THINK THAT YOU CAN DO SOMETHING TO SAVE 48:38 YOURSELF, GUESS WHAT? GOD'S GOING TO SHOW YOU. 48:41 NOPE. SALVATION BELONGS TO GOD. 48:44 BUTS ONCE YOU GET TO THAT POINT OF JUST, YOU KNOW, OUR 48:48 RESPONSIBILITY DAY BY DAY, AND I'M SURE FOR YOU AT LEAST FOR ME 48:53 IT'S A DAY BY DAY SURRENDER. >> Mike Carducci: IT'S ABOUT 48:59 EVERY FIVE MINUTES, SHELLEY. >> Shelley Quinn: AND I 49:01 UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THERE TOO, AND 49:04 STILL DO. BUT THE WHOLE POINT IS THE 49:06 REASON PEOPLE AREN'T SEEING VICTORY IS BECAUSE THEY JUST 49:12 HAVEN'T ODS KAY, LORD, SALVATION LIVES IN YOU. 49:16 LIVE IN ME, WORK IN ME. >> SHELLEY AND I WROTE TEN 49:25 COMMANDMENTS TWICE REMOVED. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE 49:28 WRITTEN A A BOOK. NORMALLY I'M WRITING FOR THOSE 49:30 THAT ARE NOT CHRISTIANS, OR THOSE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH, 49:33 BECAUSE I WANT TO PRESENT,. AND WE LOOK AT IT SOMETIMES IN 49:39 OUR OWN LITTLE WORLD WAIT A MINUTE NO MATTER WHAT CHURCH YOU 49:44 GO TO IF YOU'RE CHRISTIAN YOU BELIEVE IN THE COMMANDMENTS. 49:51 IF SO, THEN WHY IS IT STILL WRONG TO STEAL, AND KILL, AND 49:55 ALL OF THESE THINGS. OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE WRITING 49:58 OF THE ORDINANCE WAS NAILED AT THE CROSS, BUT IT'S THE FIRST 50:01 TIME I'VE BEEN IMPRESSED TO WRITE A BOOK THAT TWO CHURCH 50:07 MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, EVEN OUR CHURCH AS WELL AS EVANGELICALS, 50:12 AS WELL AS NON-CHRISTIANS, AS WELL AS VIRTUALLY EVERYONE 50:16 BECAUSE WHAT I'VE SEEN, CREEPING INTO THE CHURCH. 50:22 IT'S COMING IN FULL BARRELS. IT'S COMING IN FROM EVERY WAY. 50:26 THERE WAS A SURVEY THAT OF-COLLEGE CHRISTIAN COLLEGE, UH, STUDENTS AND 49% OF THOSE SAID 50:37 WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH-úSAME-SEX MARRIAGE. CHRISTIAN COLLEGE. 50:40 SO I DON'T EVEN WANT TO SAY WHICH ONE, WHAT DENOMINATION, 50:44 BUT YOU CAN TAKE A GUESS. THAT'S SHOCKING TO ME, THAT 49% 50:48 OF OUR YOUNG PEOPLE, BECAUSE IF WE BELIEVE THAT AND THAT'S THE 50:52 BURDEN THAT I REALLY HAVE - - IF THAT IS ACCEPTABLE, THEN THE 50:56 SABBATH, NOT IMPORTANT. UH, SAME WAY WITH ABORTION. 51:00 WE CAN TALK ABOUT ABORTION FOR A BIT. 51:03 WE, SINCE IT BECAME LAW OF THE LAND, ROWE VERSUS WADE IN 1973, 51:09 WE DON'T HEAR MUCH ABOUT IT IN CHURCHES ANYMORE. 51:12 IT'S LEGAL.-IT'S LEGAL ON THIS EARTH, BUT IT'S NOT LEGAL IN THE SIGHT OF 51:17 GOD. THERE ARE SOME STATES, DID YOU 51:19 KNOW, THAT FIVE MINUTES BEFORE A BABY IS BORN, IT'S OKAY TO ABORT 51:23 IT. FIVE MINUTES AFTER YOU'RE 51:25 ACCUSED OF MURDER. IF FIVE MINUTES BEFORE SOMEONE 51:28 KILLS THIS WOMAN AND THE BABY YOU'RE CHARGED WITH DOUBLE 51:32 HOMICIDE. THAT SEEMS VERY INCONSISTENT IF 51:34 THEY'RE FOUGHT REALLY LOOKING AT IT AS A HUMAN BEING, AS A CHILD. 51:39 SO ABORTION, IT'S AMAZING TO ME THAT PEOPLE CAN SUPPORT 51:44 POLITICAL CANDIDATES OR CHURCHES WHO SAY I THINK ABORTION, IT'S 51:48 UP TO THE WOMAN'S CHOICE. WELL, THEN, IF IT'S ABOUT 51:54 CHOICE, WHY CAN'T I GO SLAP SOMEBODY IF I CAN? 51:56 IF I FEEL LIKE DOING WHATEVER I CAN? EARN ARE IT'S A CHOICE I 52:01 SHOULD HAVE A CHOICE TO BE MYSELF. 52:03 THIS IS CHOICE OVER SOMEONE ELSE'S LIFE. 52:05 THE MOST DEFENSELESS HUMAN BEINGS ON EARTH ARE THE UNBORN 52:10 BABIES. YET WE, AS A CHRISTIAN CHURCH, 52:12 SAY VERY LITTLE ABOUT IT. WHY DO WE NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT 52:16 IT. OUR SILENCE, I TALK ABOUT THE 52:18 SILENCE OF CHRISTIANS IS JUST AS DAMAGING AS THOSE WHO ARE OUT 52:25 THERE, SAY, PRO-CHOICE. WHEN WE'RE SILENT ABOUT IT, 52:29 WE'RE ACCESSORIES TO THE FACT THAT OVER 60 MILLION IF I HAVE 52:32 THE FIGURES RIGHT IF I LOOK THEM UP, BABIS SINCE THAT TIME HAVE 52:36 BEEN KILLED. 60 MILLION. 52:38 AND I'M ACCESSORY TO THAT IF I DON'T STAND UP AND SAY THAT'S 52:41 NOT RIGHT. NOW, DOES THIS MEAN I THINK I'M 52:44 PERFECT? NO, AND I'M GLAD YOU GOT THAT 52:46 POINT BECAUSE I REALLY PRAYED AND STRUGGLED IN THIS. 52:50 EVERYTHING I WROTE I PUT MYSELF IN THAT. 52:56 I KNOW MIKE, YOU LIVED YOUR BACKGROUND AS A HOMOSEXUAL. 53:01 I'M NO DIFFERENT I HAVE SIN IN MY LIFE. 53:03 YOU'RE NO DIFFERENT YOU HAVE SIN IN YOUR LIFE. 53:06 I HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE MIKE, I'M NOT THAT WAY SO I'M OKAY. 53:09 I CAN'T DO THAT. I LOVE MIKE, EVEN WHEN HE WAS A 53:14 HOMOSEXUAL. IF I HA KNOWN YOU, IT'S MY JOB, 53:16 MY RESPONSIBILITY, AND MY PRIVILEGE TO LOVE A FELLOW HUMAN 53:19 BEING AND TO TRY TO INTRODUCE THEM TO JESUS THAT CAN GIVE US 53:24 VICTORY OVER OUR PROBLEMS. I HAVE PROBLEMS, THEY'RE 53:29 DIFFERENT KIND THAN HIS. IN WRITING THIS, IT'S IN NO WAY 53:34 TO SAY I'M PERFECT, I KEEP ALL THE COMMANDMENTS YOU DON'T. 53:37 IT'S NOT A FINGER POINTING THING, IT'S AN ISSUE THAT SAYS 53:39 THIS IS DESTROYING THE CHURCH OF GOD. 53:42 THE DEVIL, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE BIBLE SAYS IF IT 53:46 WERE POSSIBLE TO RECEIVE THE VERY ELECT. 53:48 STARTING WITH THIS YOUNGER GENERATION, WHEN OUR YOUNG 53:50 PEOPLE IN OUR SCHOOLS AND ACADEMIES AND OUR COLLEGES 53:54 BELIEVE THAT SAME-SEX MARRIAGE AND ABORTION SHOULD BE A CHOICE, 53:58 THE WOMAN'S CHOICE, IF YOU WANT TO ABORT YOU CAN, OR NOT. 54:01 IT'S NOT BIBLICAL. SO WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT STAND. 54:04 BUT PEOPLE, FOR YEARS, HAVE SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT 54:08 TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT. MY THING IS NOW. 54:49 >> INTERFAITH MEETING. EIGHT MILLION PEOPLE, WHATEVER, 54:52 BRING ALL THESE DIFFERENT RELIGIONS TOGETHER. 54:54 LET'S HAVE MEETINGS FOR FIVE DAYS. 54:56 DO YOU KNOW WHAT HE SAID? IN THE FIVE DAYS, ALL THE 55:01 MEETINGS, THERE WAS NEVER ONE PRAYER SAID. 55:03 YOU KNOW WHY? THEY WERE AFRAID THEY WOULD 55:09 OFFEND SOMEONE ELSE'S RELIGION, SO NO ONE WOULD EVEN PRAY FOR 55:14 THEIR FOOD. YOU HEARD ME RIGHT. 55:16 NO ONE WOULD EVEN PRAY FOR THEIR FOOD BECAUSE THEY WERE WORRIED 55:20 ABOUT - - SEE, IT'S POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. 55:22 AND I TALK ABOUT THAT IN THIS BOOK QUITE A BIT. 55:26 WE'VE CHOSEN POLITICAL CORRECTNESS OVER GOD'S LAW. 55:28 WHEN YOU DO THAT, WE END UP IN RUIN AND IN THIS CASE NATIONAL 55:32 RUIN. I GO OVER ALL THE COUNTRIES, 55:34 NUMEROUS COUNTRIES, CAMBODIA, WHETHER IT WAS RUSSIA, I GO DOWN 55:38 THE LINE, ROMANIA, COUNTRIES I'VE BEEN TO AND COMMUNISM, WHEN 55:41 THEY THREW OUT GOD, THEY ENDED UP IN NATIONAL RUIN. 55:44 AND SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TRAMPLE ON SAME-SEX, ON THE 55:52 MARRIAGE, THE MARRIAGE COMMANDMENT, GOD ONLY INSTITUTED 55:54 THREE THINGS AT CREATED INSTITUTED THE SABBATH, AND 55:57 INSTITUTED MARRIAGE. ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN. 56:00 AND ANY MARRIAGE OUTSIDE THAT IS NOT A REAL UNION. 56:03 IT'S NOT BLESSED BY GOD. SO WHEN WE AS A NATION MAKE IT 56:08 LAW OF THE LAND, WE SLAP GOD IN THE FACE. 56:11 >> YES. >> SO WE'RE GOING DOWN. 56:13 IT'S A DOWNHILL SPIRAL AND IT'S GETTING WORSE AND WORSE, AND 56:17 WORSE, AND WORSE. AND WE'VE GOT A MINUTE AND A 56:19 HALF IN THIS. SO WE WANT YOU TO CALL IN YOUR 56:22 QUESTION OARS OR COMMENTS HOPEFULLY FOR THEEND OF THE 56:26 NEXT HOUR AND WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE INFORMATION WE WANT TO GIVE 56:29 YOU. I'M SORRY YOU WERE GETTING READY 56:31 TO - - . >> YOU MENTIONED POLITICAL 56:34 CORRECTNESS AND I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO UNPACK THAT A LITTLE BIT FOR 56:39 US. AND YOU MENTIONED THE SILENCE OF 56:41 MILLIONS. WHY ARE WE SO SILENT? 56:43 >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. >> I THINK IT'S MORE THAN JUST 56:46 POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. I THINK IT'S JUST FEAR. 56:49 JUST FEAR, AFRAID TO STAND UP FOR THE LORD. 56:52 YOU SAW THE LOWER THIRDS OUR TELEPHONE NUMBER (618)627-6271. 57:06 LIVE. IF I'M SURE WE'VE STIRRED 57:07 SOMETHING IN YOUR HEART YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THIS WE'D BE GLAD 57:11 TO TAKE THEM IN THE SECOND HALF. WE'RE COMING DOWN TO THE END OF 57:15 A VERY SPIRITED FIRST HALF. THIS IS A SUR CORRECT, THESE ARE 57:19 SUBJECTS THAT OCCASION, MUCH PRAYER, MUCH THOUGHT STANDING UP 57:21 FOR THE THIS IS TIME FOR THE CHURCH TO 57:29 TAKE A STAND. IT'S NOT A TIME TO SIT ON THE 57:32 FENCE OR TO BE WEAK IN ANY WAY ABOUT WHO WE ARE, WHOSE WE ARE, 57:38 AND WHAT WE BELIEVE. >> AND IF THEY STAY TUNED, WHEN 57:40 WE GET BACK WE'LL TELL YOU HOW YOU CAN GET THIS BOOK 57:44 ABSOLUTESLY FREE OF CHARGE. >> WE'LL BE BACK TWO MINUTES, 57:46 AND TWO SECONDS WE'LL BE BACK, WE HOPE TO SO YOU THEN. |
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