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>> I WANT TO SPEND
MY LIFE FIXING BROKEN
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PEOPLE. I WANT TO SPEND MY LIFE
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REMOVING PAIN.
LORD, LET MY WORDS I
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WANT TO SPEND PIPE
LIFE MENDING BROKEN PEOPLES.
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>> HELLO, AND WELL KMENT
TO ANOTHER 3ABN TODAY LIVE.
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MY NAME IS CA MURRAY, AND ALLOW
ME ONCE AGAIN TO THANK YOU FOR
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SHARING JUST A LITTLE OF
YOUR NO DOUBT BUSY DAY WITH US.
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR, LOVE YOUR
PRAYERS, YOUR SUPPORT -F OF THIS
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MINISTRY FOR ALL
THESE 32 + YEARS.
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WE ARE JOINED TOGETHER,
PARTNERED TOGETHER, TO LIFT UP
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THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS AND
TO TAKE HIS GOSPEL TO THE END OF
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THE EARTH. >>
ALSO THANK YOU FROM THE
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BOTTOM OF OUR HEARTS.
WHEN WE SAY THAT, THOSE ARE NOT
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JUST WORDS THAT COME FROM
OUR LIPS, THEY COME STRAIGHT
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FROM-OUR HEARTS. WE REALIZE WE
COULD NOT DO WHAT WE'RE CALLED
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TO DO WITHOUT YOUR PARTNERSHIP.
I'M IN THE COMPANY OF MY FRIEND
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OF SO MANY, MANY
YEARS. >> DON'T SAY OLD.
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>> NO, I WON'T
SAY OLD [LAUGHTER]
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A FRIEND OF LONG STANDING,
A FRIEND OF A LONG TIME.
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>> THAT'S GOOD. >>
DEAR FRIEND, BUT NOT OLD
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FRIEND. >> OKAY, GOOD, GOOD.
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>> YVONNE LEWIS,
GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.
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>> IT IS SO GREAT TO BE HERE.
>> YOU'RE BACK IN 1980 - - .->>
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THAT'S 1986. >> IT'S GREAT TO BE
HERE. >> LET'S INTRODUCE TH REST
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OF THE FAMILY. OUR
FOUNDER AND FRIEND, MINISTER
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MR. DANNY SHELTON.
>> I'M NOT USED TO THIS
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PARTICULAR SEAT. >>
Danny Shelton: SO I DON'T
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KNOW HOW I WILL ACT SO
WE'LL SEE HERE TONIGHT.
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A LITTLE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE,
BUT I LIKE WHAT I'M SEEING.
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>> HOSTED MR.
SHELTON ALL OVER THE LOOK.
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>> Danny Shelton: CA MURRAY IS A
GOOD DRIVER BECAUSE HE CAN COME
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WITHIN INCHES JUST LIKE YOU'RE
IN LONDON YOUR AS GOOD AS THE
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TAXI DRIVERS WEAVING IN AND OUTS
OF TRAFFIC.  MIKE, IT SEEMED
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LIKE YOU WERE INCHES BETWEEN
VEHICLES BUT YOU MADE IT ALL THE
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WAY THROUGH AND TOOK US TO
THE CHURCHES, BROUGHT US BACK
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SAFELY. >>
SOMETIMES IT'S PARTICIPATE
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TIGHT. >> HE'S A GOOD DRIVER.
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>> YES. >> YOU
HAVE TO DRIVE LIKE YOU
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DON'T CARE. >> YOU DO.
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>> DRIVE LIKE YOU CARE MR.
MARK CARDUCCI, HE IS COMING OUT
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MINISTRIES. >> YES, UH-HUH.
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>> WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTE
BIT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE
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HERE FOR A SPECIAL PURPOSE,
SOMETHING SPECIAL TO TALK ABOUT.
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AND THEN ON THE END, CERTAINLY
NOT LAST, SHELLEY QUINN.
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>> IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE BEEN ON
CAMERA TODAY ALL DAY TOGETHER.
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>> WE'VE BEEN TAPING
PROGRAMS FOR THE LAST TWO DAYS.
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>> THE SCHOOL PANEL.
>> WE GET GREAT RESPONSES.
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>> IT IS FUN TO, AS SHELLEY
WILL ATTEST, BUT IT IS WORK.
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FOUR PROGRAMS A DAY, ONE
HOUR, TRYING TO CONDENSE ALL YOU
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STUDIED INTO TEN
MINUTES PER SEGMENT.
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THAT'S LOT OF WORK,
BUT IT'S FUN.  IF IS FUN
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>> IN THIS QUARTER, THE THIRD
QUARTER IS GOING TO BE ON THE
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GOSPEL IN GALATIANS IT'S
LU ABOUT RIGHTEOUSNESS AND
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SALVATION BY
FAITH AND CHRIST ALONE.
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>> WOW. >> SO IT IS WONDERFUL.
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>> IT IS A
WONDERFUL STUDY INDEED.
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THIS IS A VERY SPECIAL 3ABN,
I GUESS WE COULD CALL THIS TODAY
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LIVE WORLD VIEW BECAUSE WE'RE
GOING TO BE TAKING A LOOK AT A
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LOT OF THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING,
THAT ARE AFFECTING THE CHURCH,
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AFFECTING AND I LIKE THE IDEA,
YVONNE, THAT EVERY NOW AND AGAIN
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WE CAN SORT OF PULL THE
MASK BACK NO SO MUCH BEHIND THE
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SCENES ON 3ABN, BUT OUR VIEW OF
THE WORLD, THE BIBLE VIEW OF THE
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WORLD, THE CHURCH'S VIEW OF THE
WORLD, WE ARE CALLED TO BE SOFT
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AND LIGHT IN THE WORLD.
>> SO TRUE, THERE'S SO MUCH
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GOING ON IN THE WORLD RIGHT
NOW AND WE HAVE BEEN CALLED TO
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COUNTER ACT THE COUNTERFEIT AND
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE
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DOING TONIGHT. THERE
IS JUST THIS TENDENCY TO
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GO ALONG AND GET ALONG,
BUT 3ABN DOESN'T DO THAT.
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AND DANNY
SHELTON DOESN'T DO THAT.
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SO THIS IS REALLY TO FOCUS ON
WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE WORLD AND
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HOW IT EITHER CORRESPONDS OR
CONTRADICTS DIFFICULT PRINCIPLES
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AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
GOIG TO BE DEALING WITH.
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>> Yvonne Lewis: SOME VERY HEAVY
AND YET NECESSARY INFORMATION
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BECAUSE NOBODY'S DOING
IT. NOBODY WANTS TO TOUCH IT.
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IT'S A HOT
POTATO. >> CA Murray: YES.
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>> Yvonne Lewis: NOBODY WANTS TO
TOUCH IT, BUT PRAISE THE LORD.
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THE LORD HAS LAID ON DANNY'S
HEART TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES
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AND THAT HE DOES.
>> CA Murray: YES.
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THE BIBLE HAS ENJOINED US TO
SPEAK THE TRUTH IN LOVE, BUT,
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UH, IN LOVE SPEAK THE TRUTH.
>> Yvonne Lewis: THAT'S RIGHT,
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THAT'S RIGHT. >> CA
Murray: AND THAT'S WHAT
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WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL TALK
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ABOUT IS THE NEW BOOK THAT
MR. SHELTON HAS BEEN BLESSED TO
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LIGHT. THEN MIKE
HERE IS HERE FOR A
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VERY SPECIAL READING BECAUSE WE
SEE WHAT WE COULD CALL A CLEAR
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AND PRESENT DANGER IN THE WORLD
THAT WE'VE GOT TO
ADDRESS.-SHELLEY'S GOT SOME
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SPECIAL THINGS TO TALK ABOUT.
THIS IS A PROGRAM YOU WANT TO
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GIVE EAR TO BECAUSE WE'RE GOING
TO COVER A LOT OF SUBJECTS EACH
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IN ITS OWN WAY VERY PERTINENT,
VERY IMPORTANT FOR SPIRITUAL
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LIFE, SPIRITUAL GROWTH, FOR YOUR
VIEW OF THE WORLD, AND WE NEED
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TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE SERVING
THE SAME GOD, DOING WHAT WE CAN
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TO LIFT UP THE NAME OF JESUS AND
SOMETIMES THAT MEANS SWIMMING UP
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STREAM. GOING
AGAINST WHAT MAY BE THE
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PREVAILING NORMS, BUT AS LONG AS
YOU'RE ON THE LORD'S SIDE, GOD +
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1 IS A MAJORITY
SO YOU NEED NOT FEAR.
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>> Yvonne Lewis:
AMEN, AMEN, AMEN.
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SO, LET'S TALK, DANNY, ABOUT
THIS BOOK THAT YOU'VE WRITTEN.
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BECAUSE I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY
TO READ IT MORE THAN ONCE.
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>> Danny
Shelton: SHE'S MY EDITOR.
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SHE AND BOBBY DAVIS
DID THE FIRST CHAPTER.
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ANYBODY WITH EYES SAID I THINK
I SEE SOMETHING, HERE'S THE
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MANUSCRIPT, WE'LL TAKE THIS DOWN
TO ABOUT A FIVE AND A HALF BY
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EIGHT AND A HALF SIZE. SO
IT'S KNOWING TO BE SIMILAR TO
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THE TEN COMMANDMENTS TWICE
REMOVED BOOK BUT WE CALL IT
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SPIRITUAL VIGILANT ES. >>
Yvonne Lewis: WHERE DID THAT
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NAME COME FROM? >>
Danny Shelton: I WAS
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WATCHING, AS MOST OF US HERE
IN AMERICA, FOR SURE, AND UCH I
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GUESS AROUND THE WORLD, UM, IN
THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AS WE
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STARTED HEADING TOWARDS THE
ELECTIONS OF A NEW PRESIDENT.
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YOU HAVE THIS SIDE VERSUS THAT
SIDE AND I WAS SO AMAZED THAT
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CHRISTIANS GET IN THE MIDDLE OF
ALL THIS POLITICAL STUFF AND
SAY-I'M A DEMOCRAT.
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SOME GOING FROM THE SAME CHURCH,
PENTECOSTAL SAYING I'M CATHOLIC,
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I'M REPUBLICAN, I'M DEMOCRAT.
I WAS AMAZED FIRST OF ALL, YOU
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AND I SPENT A LOT OF TIME
TALKING ABOUT THAT YVONNE, CA,
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SHELLEY, ALL OF US IS HOW DO WE
GET IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS, AND
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WRAP MYSELF UP TO
SAY I'M A DEMOCRAT.
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OR I'M A REPUBLICAN. UM,
SOMEBODY SAID WHAT PARTY DO
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YOU BELONG TO? I SAID
PART OF THE JESUS PARTY,
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IT'S THE ONLY
ONE THAT WILL LAST.
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>> CA Murray: AMEN. >>
Danny Shelton: BUT WE CAN'T -
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- WHAT I SEE IS THE DEVIL IS
A HOUSE DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF
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CAN'T STAND, RIGHT? SO
THE DEVIL HAS COME INTO TH
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CHURCH, INTO THE
CHRISTIAN CHURCH IT'S AMAZING.
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PEOPLE THAT YOU WOULD NEVER
HEAR FROM BEFORE ARE GETTING ON
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ARGUING AND I'VE HEARD
CHRISTIANS, EVEN SOME THE SAME
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DENOMINATION MYSELF OTHERS, BUT
ARGUING AND HAVING WORD BATTLES
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ON FACEBOOK AND TWITTER, ON
SOCIAL MEDIA THAT ANYBODY CAN
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READ, THE PUBLIC CAN READ.
I'M LIKE WHAT IS WRONG WITH
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THESE FOLK? THIS ONE
LOVES THIS CANDIDATE,
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THIS ONE LOVES THIS ONE. WE
VOTE FOR THIS ONE, AND IF YOU
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VOTE FOR THAT ONE YOU KNOW
YOU SHOULDN'T VOTE FOR THIS.
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I WAS AMAZE SAID BY ALL OF THAT
AND SO I BEGAN TO LOOK AT THE
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CURRENT EVENTS. WHEN
YOU LOOK AT THE ISSUES
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PRESENTED.  I THOUGHT ABOUT
WHEN I WAS A CHILD, SOME OF US
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PRETEND WE'RE NOT THAT AGE, BUT
WHEN WE GREW UP, WE GREW UP WHEN
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I GREW UP, THERE WAS I LOVE
LUCY AND LEAVE IT TO BEAVER ON
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TELEVISION >> NOW
YOU LOOK AT MODERN FAMILY
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AND ALL THESE THINGS THAT
TALK ABOUT HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE,
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THEY'RE SO LIBERAL, THAT
OUR YOUNG PEOPLE EVEN WITHIN OUR
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CHRISTIAN SCHOOLS OUR ACADEMIES
AND UNIVERSITIES AND THROUGH
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FACEBOOK AND SOCIAL MEDIA ARE
BEING BOMBARDED THAT'S ALL THESE
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THINGS ARE OKAY. AND
SO AS I BEGAN TO LOO AT
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THESE THINGS, I SAID YOU KNOW
WHAT, IT'S AMAZING TO ME HOW
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QUICKLY ABOUT PROBABLY IT MIGHT
HAVE BEEN 30 OR 40 YEARS AGO JOE
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WROTE A BOOK CALLED
CREEPING COMPROMISE.
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TODAY WE HAVE TO SAY
RAPID COMPROMISE BECAUSE IT'S
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LITERALLY BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS
AS I BEGAN TO SEE WHAT WAS
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HAPPENING WITH, YOU KNOW, FOR SO
MANY YEARS WE TEACH AND KEEP ALL
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THE COMMANDMENTS. WHAT
I'M FINDING OUT IS THERE'S
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OTHER ONES PEOPLE
FORGET. I'M TALKING ABOUT ANY
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DENOMINATION, INCLUDING MY
OWN AND SOME OF THE OTHERS I
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MENTIONED. THERE ARE
PEOPLE, FOR INSTANCE,
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WHO ARE SAYING WE THINK
SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IS OKAY.
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AND THERE'S
NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.
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ABORTION IS OKAY.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.
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PEOPLE SAY THAT'S A POLITICAL
TOPIC, YOU SHOULDN'T TALK ABOUT
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IT. NO, IT
ISN'T, IT'S A BIBLICAL
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TOPIC. WE CAN
TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS
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BECAUSE TO ME WE HAVE 10
COMMANDMENTS, WE DIDN'T GET TO
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PICK AND CHOOSE, AND SO
FOR US SOME OF US SEVENTH DAY
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CHRISTIANS WE'RE TEACHING THE
WORLD YOU HAVE TO KEEP ALL TEN.
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THERE'S SOME OF US SAYING
I THINK SAME-SEX MARRIAGE OR
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ABORTION THESE THINGS SOME OF
THESE OTHER CANDIDATES, I VOTE
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FOR THEM BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE
WHAT THE OTHER CANDIDATES TO.
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SO MY THING IS TWO
WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT.
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IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT EITHER
OF THEM DO, DON'T VOTE FOR THEM.
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IT'S LIKE YOU'RE
ENDORSING WHAT YOU DO.
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I GOT TO THINKING ABOUT IT,
WHAT A PHYSICAL VIGILANTE IS.
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A VIGILANTE IS SOMEONE WHO TAKES
THE LAW INTO THEIR OWN HANDS.
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AND SOMETIMES IT'S EVEN PEOPLE
THAT WEAR A BADGE THAT SAY YOU
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KNOW WHAT THESE CRIMINALS, THESE
THUGS, THEY KEEP GETTING AWAY
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WITH THESE CRIMES THEY'RE OUT
HERE GIVING DRUGS TO OUR KIDS
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THEY TAKE THE LAW INTO THEIR OWN
HANDS AND ACTUALLY BEDOM JUDGE,
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JURY, AND EXECUTIONER, CA.
AND SOMETIMES KILL THESE PEOPLE.
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THAT'S A VIGILANTE.
SOMETIMES THAT'S EVEN RELIGIOUS
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LEADERS RELIGIOUS LEADERS TRY TO
SET THEMSELVES IN PLACE OF GOD
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TO SAY YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS
COMMANDMENT, THAT DOESN'T APPLY
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ANYMORE. THIS
COMMANDMENT DOESN'T REALLY
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MEAN WHAT YOU THINK IT
MEANS. IT'S DIFFERENT NOW.
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>> CA Murray: IT'S INTERESTING
THAT THAT TITLE IS REFLECTIVE OF
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A TIME ORIGINALLY THE VIGILIST
WAS A PERSON IN ANCIENT ROMAN
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TIMES WHO WAS ASSIGNED TO KEEP
WATCH OVER THE CITY, WATCH FOR
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FIRES, WATCH
FOR RUN AWAY SLAVES.
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THEY JUST KEPT
WATCH OVER THE CITY.
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BUT IT HAS MORPHED THE IDEA TO
NOW THAT IT'S SOMEONE WHO WANTS
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TO TAKE SOMETHING INTO
THEIR OWN HANDS AND CHANGE THAT.
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IT'S AN APT TITLE BECAUSE YOU
HAVE PEOPLE NOW WHO SORT OF TRY
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TO TAKE IT ON THEMSELVES
AND MAKE CHANGES THE BIBLE NEVER
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ENDORSES. >> YOU
KNOW, YOU BROUGHT UP
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SOMETHING, DANNY, A FEW MINUTES
AGO ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA AND ITS
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IMPACT. >> Yvonne
Lewis: AND WHAT WE'RE
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SEEING IN SOCIETY IS THAT PEOPLE
ARE GROUPING THEMSELVES TOGETHER
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BASED ON THEIR OPINIONS OF
WHAT'S POLITICALLY CORRECT, AND
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ALL OF THIS. AND
IT'S, IT'S JUST KIND OF
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OVERWHELMING BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE
SEEN IS THIS WHOLE TRANSITION
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FROM FOCUSING ON BIBLICAL
PRINCIPLES TO BEING DOMINATED BY
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YOUR CULTURAL PERSPECTIVE.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS IF YOU ARE IF
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YOU'RE BLACK, THEN YOU TEND TO,
BECAUSE MOST BLACK PEOPLE ARE
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NOT REPUBLICANS, MOST BLACKS ARE
DEMOCRATS, SO YOU'RE GOING TO
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TAKE ON THAT PLATFORM.
WELL, AS A CHRISTIAN I DON'T
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AGREE WITH ABORTION, BUT I LIKE
THIS CANDIDATE BETTER THAN THE
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OTHER ONE. SO I'M
GOING TO VOTE FOR THEM.
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OR I'M NOT FOR SAME-SEX
MARRIAGE, BUT I LIE THAT
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CANDIDATE BETTER SO
I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THEM.
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AND THEN WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING
IS CULTURE YOUR CHRISTIANITY.
00:14:52.82\00:14:59.79
AND THAT'S WHAT,
THAT'S WHAT WE SEE A LOT.
00:14:59.79\00:15:04.13
THAT CULTURE THE CHRISTIANITY.
YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF, WHO AM
00:15:04.13\00:15:08.04
I FIRST? WHAT AM I?
00:15:08.04\00:15:09.97
AM I FIRST BLACK, OR
AM I FIRST A CHRISTIAN?
00:15:09.97\00:15:13.54
AND IT'S A
TOUGH, TOUGH QUESTION.
00:15:13.54\00:15:16.75
THESE ARE SOME OF THE, YOU TOUCH
ON THE WHOLE IDEA OF SAME-SEX
00:15:16.75\00:15:20.52
MARRIAGE, AND ABORTION IN
THE BOOK YOU EXPLORE HOW SOCIAL
00:15:20.52\00:15:26.22
MEDIA HAS IMPACTED, YOU
KNOW, SOCIETY AND ALL THAT.
00:15:26.22\00:15:30.46
IT'S A CRITICAL THING, NOBODY
ELSE IS REALLY TALKING ABOUT HOW
00:15:30.46\00:15:36.40
CULTURE AND SOCIAL MEDIA AND
ALL THAT PLAYS SUCH AN IMPORTANT
00:15:36.40\00:15:39.97
PART IN YOUR PERSPECTIVE, AND,
AND IT'S LIKE WE'RE JUST KIND OF
00:15:39.97\00:15:46.68
OVERCOME BY IT BECAUSE WE
DON'T WANT TO ROCK THAT BOAT.
00:15:46.68\00:15:51.85
WE DON'T WANT TO ROCK THE BOAT.
I'M NOT GOING TO OFFEND YOU,
00:15:51.85\00:15:55.78
MIKE. I'M NOT
GOING TO SAY ANYTHING.
00:15:55.78\00:15:57.09
I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU
THE TRUTH ABOUT HOW I FEEL ABOUT
00:15:57.09\00:16:02.52
SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BECAUSE
I MIGHT HURT YOUR FEELINGS.
00:16:02.52\00:16:07.50
>> WE'VE DEVELOPED AND I'VE SEEN
IT, MIKE, IT'S POPULAR CULTURE.
00:16:07.50\00:16:11.20
IT'S POPULAR CULTURE
BASED ON A CONSUMER MINDSET.
00:16:11.20\00:16:15.37
IT'S LIKE WHAT APPEALS
TO MY CONSUMER MENTALITY.
00:16:15.37\00:16:18.17
I'LL GO TO THE CHURCH, IT
DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE RIGHT
00:16:18.17\00:16:20.94
CHURCH, BUT THE PREACHER IS
GOOD, THE MUSIC IS GOOD, AND I
00:16:20.94\00:16:23.58
CONSUME THAT, SO
THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING TO GO.
00:16:23.58\00:16:28.25
UM, THIS CANDIDATE SPEAKS TO ME,
IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT
00:16:28.25\00:16:31.75
HIS PLATFORM IS, I'M A
CONSUMER. SO RATHER THAN BE
00:16:31.75\00:16:37.46
PRINCIPLE-DRIVEN
WE'RE CONSUMER DRIVEN.
00:16:37.46\00:16:40.50
WITH THE INTERNET AND MEDIA YOU
CAN ALWAYS FIND A POOL OF PEOPLE
00:16:40.50\00:16:43.90
WHO CAN REINFORCE YOUR MINDSET.
IF YOU THINK THIS WAY, THERE'S A
00:16:43.90\00:16:47.84
LINE OF PEOPLE THAT
WILL LINE-UP BEHIND YOU.
00:16:47.84\00:16:51.37
SO WE THROW AWAY PRINCIPLES
IN FAVOR OF A CONSUMER MINDSET.
00:16:51.37\00:16:59.31
THAT CONSUMERISM WEAVES ITS
WAY INTO EVERY PART OF OUR LIFE.
00:16:59.31\00:17:08.12
>> I THINK IT'S MANY INROADS.
 I DON'T THINK IT'S ONE DAY YOU
00:17:08.12\00:17:11.93
JUST ALL OF A SUD THROWN YOUR
CONVICTION TO THE WIND, I THNK
00:17:11.93\00:17:14.93
WE'RE BOMBARDED BY MEDIA.
YOU BROUGHT THAT UP A LITTLE
00:17:14.93\00:17:18.40
EARLIER, DANNY. IN
THE 60S WE WERE BEING
00:17:18.40\00:17:21.14
PROGRAMS TO ACCEPT CERTAIN
THINGS AND I THINK IT WAS SO
00:17:21.14\00:17:23.61
SUBTLE KIND OF LIKE
THE FROG AND THE POT.
00:17:23.61\00:17:27.94
GAVE CHARACTERS ON TELEVISION,
AND THEN WHAT THEY START DOING
00:17:27.94\00:17:30.55
IS THEY START SHOWING CHRISTIANS
AS KIND OF, UM, UH, THEY'RE KIND
00:17:30.55\00:17:34.82
OF OFF OR THEY'RE, UH, SOCIALLY
INEPT SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF TUCK
00:17:34.82\00:17:44.16
IN OUR VALUES. I THINK
THAT SLOWLY WE LEARN TO
00:17:44.16\00:17:47.40
DO THAT AND WE'VE ALL BEEN
LULLED BY THE MEDIA TO ACCEPT
00:17:47.40\00:17:50.40
THAT CHRISTIANITY IS REALLY KIND
OF A HAS BEEN OR A HATED GROUP
00:17:50.40\00:17:55.37
OR, UM BASICALLY INEFFECTIVE.
>> CA Murray: ONE OF THE REASONS
00:17:55.37\00:18:04.68
WE'RE GLAD THA YOU
CAME HERE TONIGHT - - .
00:18:04.68\00:18:06.41
>> AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF
THINGS TO TAL ABOUT AND THE
00:18:06.41\00:18:08.38
BOOK GOES INTO SO, BUT SOMETHING
THAT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE WANT
00:18:08.38\00:18:14.12
TO TALK ABOUT IT
IS WHAT DO YOU DO?
00:18:14.12\00:18:18.99
WE TITLED THE PROGRAM WHAT
IS THE CHRISTIAN PERSPECTIVE ON
00:18:18.99\00:18:22.70
SAME-SEX MARRIAGE. AND
SO TONIGHT IS WHAT YOU SAID,
00:18:22.70\00:18:25.43
I FOUND MYSELF LAST WEEK WE WERE
IN NEW YORK AND, YOU KNOW, AS A
00:18:25.43\00:18:31.37
SEVENTH DAY ADVENTST, WE TALK
ABOUT THE PAPACY, THE MARK OF
00:18:31.37\00:18:38.15
THE BEAST, REVELATION, ANY OF
THOSE ATTACKING GOD'S LAW, WE DO
00:18:38.15\00:18:41.95
IT, AND DO IT OPENLY. I'VE
FOUND MYSELF BEING A LITTLE
00:18:41.95\00:18:45.95
HESITANT AND SAID WHY AM I
HESITANT WHEN I AM TALKING TO A
00:18:45.95\00:18:48.82
GROUP OF FELLOW BELIEVERS ABOUT
A SUBJECT LIKE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
00:18:48.82\00:18:54.13
OR ABORTION. WE DON'T
KNOW QUITE HOW TO DEAL
00:18:54.13\00:19:00.10
WITH THEM BECAUSE PEOPLE SAY
AND WHAT'S OUT THERE NOW IS, YOU
00:19:00.10\00:19:03.37
KNOW, THIS IS SUCH A HUGE ISSUE
AND NOW IT'S ALMOST POPULAR TO
00:19:03.37\00:19:10.15
COME OUT - - YOU LOOK AT HOSTS
OF TELEVISION PROGRAMS, MANY OF
00:19:10.15\00:19:14.48
THOSE WHEN IT'S NEWS OR YOU'RE
WATCHING A CHANNEL, A HOST
OF-PROGRAMS THAT ALL GLORIFY
00:19:14.48\00:19:20.69
THIS AND MAKE IT NORMAL OR
NATURAL AND THAT IT'S OKAY.
00:19:20.69\00:19:24.63
SO OUR YOUNG PEOPLE, OF COURSE,
ARE GETTING AS WE SAID THEY'RE
00:19:24.63\00:19:30.90
GETTING THIS
CONSTANTLY. CONSTANTLY TO THEM.
00:19:30.90\00:19:33.03
BUT REALLY, WHAT BROUGHT THIS TO
MY ATTENTION WAS HOW DO WE DEAL
00:19:33.03\00:19:38.37
WITH IT? WE'RE ALL SINNERS.
00:19:38.37\00:19:44.08
SO IS SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, IS
HOMOSEXUALITY, IS THAT A WORSE
00:19:44.08\00:19:48.42
IS SIN THAN
ANYONE WHO IS AN ADULT?
00:19:48.42\00:19:52.59
>> NO. >> IS IT
WORSE THAN BEING A
00:19:52.59\00:19:54.52
THIEF? >> NO.
00:19:54.52\00:19:56.42
>> SIN IS SIN. THE
BIBLE DEFINITION FOR SIN IS
00:19:56.42\00:20:00.10
WHAT? >>
TRANSGRESSION OF WHAT P*.
00:20:00.10\00:20:02.93
>> TRANSGRESSION
OF WHAT? >> THE LAW.
00:20:02.93\00:20:04.40
>> OR THE BREAKING OF GOD'S LAW.
SO ANYTHING THAT BREAKS GOD'S
00:20:04.40\00:20:08.04
LAW, THAT'S CONSIDERED SIN.
SO WE HAVE TEN COMMANDMENTS THAT
00:20:08.04\00:20:11.77
GOD GAVE US. THE
FIRST FOUR ARE OUR DUTIES TO
00:20:11.77\00:20:14.81
GOD AND OUR LAST SIX
ARE OUR DUTIES TO MAN.
00:20:14.81\00:20:21.62
AND YET, THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK
00:20:21.62\00:20:24.12
WE'RE A CHRISTIAN
NATION.-ACTUALLY, WE'RE NOT. BUT
OUR FOUNDING FATHERS AND WE
00:20:24.12\00:20:28.42
GO INTO THIS IN A LOT OF DETAILS
AND I DID A LOT OF HOMEWORK THIS
00:20:28.42\00:20:33.36
TIME AND STUDIED A LOT - - I'M
NOT SAYING ALWAYS EVERYTHING -
00:20:33.36\00:20:40.57
- I SEE THIS THING AS BEING SUCH
A HUGE ISSUE NOT ONLY WITHIN OUR
00:20:40.57\00:20:45.24
CHURCH, BUT THE
CHRISTIAN CHURCH IN GENERAL.
00:20:45.24\00:20:47.34
BUT THE FOUNDING FATHERS
CHOSE TO TAKE THE LAST SIX
00:20:47.34\00:20:52.85
COMMANDMENTS OUR DUTIES TO MAN
AND REALLY ADOPT THOSE AS PART
00:20:52.85\00:20:56.92
OF OUR CONSTITUTION OF
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
00:20:56.92\00:21:00.72
ADULTERY IS ALWAYS BEEN
SINCE THE BEGINNING WAS A SIN.
00:21:00.72\00:21:05.23
ADULTERY, AND WAS A CRIME.
IN 1718, UNTIL RECENTLY IN SOME
00:21:05.23\00:21:11.40
STATES ON THE BOOKS
IT STILL IS. ADULTERY.
00:21:11.40\00:21:13.84
BUT WHAT WE'RE HAVING NOW IS THE
ISSUE COMING UP IS THAT, WELL,
00:21:13.84\00:21:19.44
SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IS NOT REALLY
OR HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT WRONG
00:21:19.44\00:21:24.21
ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE. AND
SO WE ALWAYS SAY WELL, LOOK,
00:21:24.21\00:21:27.85
HERE'S ALL OF THESE SCRIPTURES.
I TALKED TO SOMEONE LAST WEEK,
00:21:27.85\00:21:31.22
WATCHED SOMEONE WHO'S A PASTOR
WHO JUST SAID A FEW WEEKS AGO
00:21:31.22\00:21:34.76
I'M BISEXUAL. SO I'M
COMING OUT AS BISEXUAL.
00:21:34.76\00:21:40.43
BUT HOMOSEXUALITY IS
NOT REALLY TALKED ABOUT.
00:21:40.43\00:21:50.51
SODOM AND GOMORRAH,
THAT'S JUST ABOUT ARROGANCY.
00:21:50.51\00:21:54.74
THEY TALK ABOUT
CASTRATING YOUNG MEN.
00:21:54.74\00:22:00.62
WHAT'S WRONG WHEN THE BIBLE
TALKS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALTY RAPE,
00:22:00.62\00:22:09.86
INCEST, ALL THESE THINGS, IF TWO
PEOPLE LOVE EACH OTHER THAT'S
00:22:09.86\00:22:12.43
OKAY. BUT THE
INROADS, LET ME GIVE YOU
00:22:12.43\00:22:14.73
SOME OF THAT, BUT THE
BIG PICTURE IS THIS, TO ME.
00:22:14.73\00:22:18.57
IF WE ACCEPT THIS COMING
INTO OUR CHURCHES AS CHRISTIAN
00:22:18.57\00:22:26.17
CHURCHES THAT NUMBER ONE HIJO MO
SEXUALITY OR SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
00:22:26.17\00:22:30.98
IS ACCEPTABLE BEFORE GOD.
NOW AS I SAID EARLIER, WE ALL
00:22:30.98\00:22:36.45
SIN. WE ALL HAVE SIN.
00:22:36.45\00:22:37.79
BUT WHEN WE OPENLY REBEL
AGAINST GOD'S LAW, THAT'S SIN.
00:22:37.79\00:22:41.72
TRANSGRESSION OF THE SOUL.
SIN IS REBELLION TO PURPOSELY
00:22:41.72\00:22:44.43
SAY I KNOW WHAT THE LAW IS BUT I
DON'T CARE OR I'M GOING TO LIVE
00:22:44.43\00:22:48.33
MY LIFE THE WAY
I WANT TO, RIGHT?
00:22:48.33\00:22:50.20
SO THE BIG PICTURE OF THIS IS
TO ME, YVONNE, WOULD BE COMING
00:22:50.20\00:22:55.70
HAVING THIS COME INTO THE
CHURCH AND PEOPLE ACCEPTING IT.
00:22:55.70\00:22:59.01
BECAUSE I'M SEEING IT.
OUR CHURCHES, ALL THE OTHER
00:22:59.01\00:23:02.44
CHRISTIAN CHURCHES.
THE LAW OF GOD HAS MADE A
00:23:02.44\00:23:07.12
NON-EFFECT. BECAUSE
WHEN THIS COMES IN, BUT
00:23:07.12\00:23:09.02
WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS THAN
THE OTHER ONES IF A PERSON -
00:23:09.02\00:23:13.25
- I'VE EXPLAINED THS BEFORE.
IF A PERSON, SHELLEY, COMES TO
00:23:13.25\00:23:16.62
YOUR CHURCH AND SAYS LOOK, I'M,
UM, YOU KNOW, CLEPTOMANIAC, I
00:23:16.62\00:23:24.57
STEAL. MY FATHER STOLE, MY GRAND
00:23:24.57\00:23:26.07
FATHER, BUT I REALLY
WANT TO BE YOUR TREASURE.
00:23:26.07\00:23:30.77
COULD YOU GUYS VOTE ME
IN TO BE YOUR TREASURE?
00:23:30.77\00:23:34.31
WHAT WOULD THEY PROBABLY SAY?
THEN AM I GOING TO BE OFFENDED
00:23:34.31\00:23:38.78
AND SAY I COME FROM A LINE, THIS
IS NOT REALLY I WAS KIND OF BORN
00:23:38.78\00:23:41.62
THAT WAY. LET'S
SAY MY MOTHER WAS AN
00:23:41.62\00:23:45.15
ALCOHOLIC. OR DRUG
ADDICT AND SO I WAS BORN
00:23:45.15\00:23:47.59
WITH A DRUG ADDITION.
BUT LATER IN LIFE, I GIVE MY
00:23:47.59\00:23:50.96
LIFE TO JESUS, BUT I COME
TO YOUR CHURCH AND SAY YOU KNOW
00:23:50.96\00:23:54.76
WHAT? I STILL
DO DRUGS, OR I'M AN
00:23:54.76\00:23:57.47
ALCOHOLIC, BUT I WANT TO BE,
YOU KNOW, I WANT TO BE A CHOIR
00:23:57.47\00:24:01.54
DIRECTOR. WHAT ARE
YOU GOING TO SAY TO ME?
00:24:01.54\00:24:08.41
>> NO. >> Danny
Shelton: WHY NOT?
00:24:08.41\00:24:09.48
WHY CAN'T I BE?
BECAUSE IT'S CONSIDERED SIN.
00:24:09.48\00:24:12.25
IT'S CONSIDERED
AGAINST GOD'S LAWS.
00:24:12.25\00:24:15.52
IT'S TRANSGRESSION AGAINST GOD'S
LAWS.  LET'S JUST SAY THAT I'M A
00:24:15.52\00:24:21.66
GOSSIPER, I'LL ADMIT IT.
I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE.
00:24:21.66\00:24:24.19
BUT MY FAMILY ALL DOES IT, A LOT
OF PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH DO IT,
00:24:24.19\00:24:28.80
BUT I WANT TO BE ASSISTANT TO
THE PASTOR, WHERE I HAVE ALL HIS
00:24:28.80\00:24:33.60
RECORDS AND THE CONVERSATION,
AND KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
00:24:33.60\00:24:35.84
WHAT YOU GOING
TO SAY TO ME? >> NO.
00:24:35.84\00:24:39.74
>> YOU'RE GOING TO SAY NO. I
COULD GO DOWN ANY ONE OF THESE
00:24:39.74\00:24:46.88
COMMANDMENTS AND THE CHURCH WILL
HAVE NO PROBLEM IN SAYING WELL,
00:24:46.88\00:24:48.88
I'M SORRY WE CAN'T ELECT YOU TO
BE IN A POSITION OF LEADERSHIP.
00:24:48.88\00:24:53.79
NOW, WE WANT YOU TO COME TO
CHURCH, WE WANT TO LOVE YOUR
00:24:53.79\00:24:56.93
EARS OFF, AND WE WANT TO, YOU
KNOW, BE A GOOD EXAMPLE TO YOU
00:24:56.93\00:25:01.46
BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE
PART, AS FAR AS BEING A LEADER
00:25:01.46\00:25:04.67
IN THIS CHURCH,
BECAUSE IT'S A BAD EXAMPLE.
00:25:04.67\00:25:07.24
THE ONLY ONE THAT THEY SAY
YES TO IS I'M A HOMOSEXUAL.
00:25:07.24\00:25:13.11
AND ALREADY I KNOW OF CHURCHES
WHO HAVE HIRED OPENLY GAY
00:25:13.11\00:25:18.95
HOMOSEXUALS WHO SAY
BUT I WAS BORN THAT WAY.
00:25:18.95\00:25:21.48
THAT'S MY NATURALLY
TENDENCY, AND I CAN'T HELP IT.
00:25:21.48\00:25:25.65
AND SO IT'S SAME-SEX, UM,
MARRIAGE IS LAW OF THE LAND NOW.
00:25:25.65\00:25:31.59
UH, THANKS TO THE
LAST ADMINISTRATION.
00:25:31.59\00:25:33.50
IT'S LAW OF THE LAND. AND
SO I SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE A
00:25:33.50\00:25:37.70
CHOIR DIRECTOR IN YOUR
CHURCH OR THE ORGANIST.
00:25:37.70\00:25:42.54
OR SOME OF THE PASTORS ARE
SAYING I'M THAT WAY AND THEY'RE
00:25:42.54\00:25:45.37
ACTUALLY COMING OUT.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT COMING
00:25:45.37\00:25:48.31
OUT MINISTRIES, BUT WHEN WE
DO THAT THERE'S SO MUCH EMOTION
00:25:48.31\00:25:52.55
INVOLVED. WELL, WE
DON'T WANT TO OFFEND
00:25:52.55\00:25:53.62
THESE PEOPLE. BUT WE
DIDN'T CARE TO OFFEND
00:25:53.62\00:25:56.12
THEM WHEN IT CAME TO STANDING
UP FOR DRUGS, OR ALCOHOL, OR
00:25:56.12\00:26:00.32
TOBACCO. OR I SAY
LOOK, I WANT TO BE A
00:26:00.32\00:26:06.09
SABBATH SCHOOL TEACHER. I
THINK YOU CAN GO TO CHURCH ANY
00:26:06.09\00:26:08.93
DAY YOU WANT, BUT I WANT TO BE
YOUR SABBATH SCHOOL TEACHER AT
00:26:08.93\00:26:12.33
CHURCH. WHAT ARE
YOU GOING TO TELL ME?
00:26:12.33\00:26:14.77
NO. I'M GOING TO
SAY WAIT A MINUTE,
00:26:14.77\00:26:17.61
WHY NOT? THAT'S OFFENSIVE TO ME.
00:26:17.61\00:26:20.28
PEOPLE SAY WHAT
IS WRONG WITH HIM?
00:26:20.28\00:26:22.28
BUT WHEN I COME TO YOU AND SAY
I'M OPENLY GAY, EVERYBODY SAYS
00:26:22.28\00:26:27.55
WE JUMP BACK AND SAY WE'D
BETTER NOT - - AND THEY HAVE THE
00:26:27.55\00:26:32.09
SUPPORT. YOU
MENTIONED IT AWHILE AGO,
00:26:32.09\00:26:33.82
WHAT HAPPENED IS, AND THIS IS
SATAN THAT SAYS IT'S POSSIBLE WE
00:26:33.82\00:26:39.26
WOULD - - THIS TO ME IS AMAZING,
YVONNE, AND YOU REALLY HELPED ME
00:26:39.26\00:26:43.20
WITH THIS. THE
NAACP, WHEN THE GAY
00:26:43.20\00:26:50.21
COMMUNITY CONNECTED AND GOT
THE SUPPORT OF THE NAACP, WHAT
00:26:50.21\00:26:53.58
HAPPENED IS THEY TOOK SAME-SEX
MARRIAGE FROM A MORAL ISSUE TO A
00:26:53.58\00:27:00.92
CIVIL ISSUE. AM I RIGHT?
00:27:00.92\00:27:05.55
>> Yvonne Lewis: YES. >>
Danny Shelton: NOW WE DON'T
00:27:05.55\00:27:06.96
TALK ABOUT IT BEING
A MORAL ISSUE ANYMORE.
00:27:06.96\00:27:12.59
>> Shelley Quinn: IT MADE
HOMOSEXUALITY A MINORITY STATUS.
00:27:12.59\00:27:16.13
YOU KNOW, DANNY, ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT YOU WERE SAYING AND
00:27:16.13\00:27:18.87
TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IN
CHURCHES IS WE'VE GOT SO MANY
00:27:18.87\00:27:23.81
PEOPLE HIRNG OPENLY
GAY PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH.
00:27:23.81\00:27:26.21
I THINK PART OF THE REASON
IS WE'VE GONE SO LONG WITHOUT
00:27:26.21\00:27:29.51
TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUE THAT
MANY PEOPLE DON'T KOA EVEN KNOW
00:27:29.51\00:27:32.61
WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE ISSUE SO
WE CONTINUE TO BE FEARFUL ABOUT
00:27:32.61\00:27:35.95
ADDRESSING AN ISSUE THAT
WE COULD DO IN A LOVING AND
00:27:35.95\00:27:39.35
COMPASSIONATE WAY THAT DOESN'T
COMPROMISE, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE SO
00:27:39.35\00:27:42.46
AFRAID OF THE ISSUE WE'VE GOT
PEOPLE ALL OVER THE SPECTRUM NOT
00:27:42.46\00:27:45.73
KNOWING WHAT TO DO IS AND SAYING
I'LL JUST LOVE THEM AND GIVE
00:27:45.73\00:27:49.16
THEM A POSITION INSTEAD OF
BEING THIS CONDEMNING CHRISTIAN
00:27:49.16\00:27:54.20
THROUGH THE
MEDIA THAT IS SO WRONG.
00:27:54.20\00:27:55.90
I THINK THAT YOUR BOOK IS REALLY
BENEFICIAL BECAUSE WHAT I WAS
00:27:55.90\00:27:59.11
REALLY IMPRESSED WITH,
DANNY, AND I'LL BE HONEST FOR A
00:27:59.11\00:28:02.51
HETEROSEXUAL MAN TO ADDRESS THE
ISSUE THAT DOESN'T COME ACROSS
00:28:02.51\00:28:05.91
AS, UM, ALMOST INDIFFERENT TO
THE ISSUE, WHAT I SAW WAS A LOT
00:28:05.91\00:28:09.75
OF COMPASSION THAT DIDN'T COMP
COMPROMISE, BUT INSTEAD IS IS
00:28:09.75\00:28:14.36
SAW THAT I DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE
AND I DON'T STRUGGLE WITH THAT,
00:28:14.36\00:28:17.13
BUT I KNOW WHAT STRUGGLE
IS. YOU REALLY ADDRESSED THAT.
00:28:17.13\00:28:20.00
I LIKE THAT YOU THREW YOURSELF
SELF UNDER THE BUS AS FAR AS
00:28:20.00\00:28:22.80
KNOWING THAT WE ALL
STRUGGLE WITH SOMETHING.
00:28:22.80\00:28:24.77
AND TO RECOGNIZE THAT HEY, YOU
KNOW, HOMOSEXUALITY DOESN'T HAVE
00:28:24.77\00:28:29.57
TO BE THIS THING OUT THERE IN
THE STR ATOSPHERE OUT THERE, BUT
00:28:29.57\00:28:36.78
PUT IT BACK IN THE POT WITH
STRUGGLE AND AUTOMATICALLY IT
00:28:36.78\00:28:39.98
DOESN'T HAVE AS MUCH STEAM OR
MOVEMENT, I DON'T THINK, ONCE WE
00:28:39.98\00:28:43.85
REALIZE THAT HEY,
WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER.
00:28:43.85\00:28:46.32
YOUR ISSUE MAY NOT BE
MINE, BUT WE HAVE THEM.
00:28:46.32\00:28:48.66
I THINK THAT'S REALLY THAT COMES
ACROSS REALLY NICELY IN YOUR
00:28:48.66\00:28:54.36
BOOK. >> CA
Murray: WONDERFUL, PRAISE
00:28:54.36\00:28:55.86
THE LORD. WE'RE
GOING TO LET YOU CALL IN
00:28:55.86\00:28:57.47
LATER ON IF YOU CHOOSE, RIGHT?
MAYBE QUESTIONS THE SECOND HOUR
00:28:57.47\00:29:01.04
WE'LL TRY TO GET
TO SOME OF THOSE.
00:29:01.04\00:29:02.94
BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, IF YOU
DON'T MIND, MIKE, I'D LIKE
YOU-TO ADDRESS THIS.
00:29:02.94\00:29:08.11
MIKE MINISTRY IS COMING OUT
MINISTRIES AND YOU KNOW USED TO
00:29:08.11\00:29:12.05
SAY HE CAME OUT OF THE CLOSET, I
DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT TERM CAME
00:29:12.05\00:29:16.08
FROM. YOU'RE
HIDING AND COME OUT SUD
00:29:16.08\00:29:18.35
LANE NOW YOU'RE
TELLING EVERYBODY.
00:29:18.35\00:29:24.69
>> Mike Carducci: JESUS SAID IT
FIRST, COMING OUT OF
DARKNESS.-WE HAD IT FIRST.
00:29:24.69\00:29:28.40
>> CA Murray: BUT I WANT YOU TO
TALK ABOUT YOUR, FOR INSTANCE,
00:29:28.40\00:29:33.10
WHEN YOU WERE GROWING UP, YOU
WERE A CHILD, BECAUSE PEOPLE -
00:29:33.10\00:29:35.90
- IN FACT, I TALKED TO SOMEONE
TODAY HE SAID I DIDN'T KNOW
00:29:35.90\00:29:39.84
UNTIL JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO
THAT PEOPLE WERE BORN WITH THIS
00:29:39.84\00:29:44.31
TENDENCY, I THOUGHT
IT WAS JUST A CHOICE.
00:29:44.31\00:29:46.75
BUT YOU DIDN'T DECIDE IT U FOUR,
FIVE, SIX, EIGHT, TEN YEARS OLD
00:29:46.75\00:29:50.55
I THINK I WANT TO
BE GAY. IS THAT RIGHT?
00:29:50.55\00:29:53.12
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE BORN WITH
IT OR NOT AND I DON'T KNOW IF
00:29:53.12\00:29:56.29
THERE'S ANYBODY THAT CAN
SCIENTIFICALLY GO ONE WAY OR THE
00:29:56.29\00:29:58.73
OTHER, BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT
YOU INDIVIDUALLY BECAUSE NOW
00:29:58.73\00:30:01.86
FROM WHERE YOU ARE, YOUR
POSITION, DID YOU JUST PURPOSELY
00:30:01.86\00:30:05.43
SAY I THINK I WANT TO BE GAY?
OR DID YOU HAVE THAT TENDENCY
00:30:05.43\00:30:11.51
THAT YOU SAID THIS
IS WHAT I WANT TO BE?
00:30:11.51\00:30:13.31
I'M ATTRACTED? >> IT'S
A PLEASURE TO BE ABLE TO
00:30:13.31\00:30:17.51
TALK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE AT
40 YEARS OLD WHEN I CAME BACK TO
00:30:17.51\00:30:20.75
GOD, I WANTED TO
KNOW HOW THIS HAPPENED.
00:30:20.75\00:30:22.98
I WANTED TO KNOW WHY AT MY
EARLIEST THOUGHTS, I KNEW I WAS
00:30:22.98\00:30:27.12
DIFFERENT AND IT
WASN'T SEXUALIZED FOR ME.
00:30:27.12\00:30:29.42
BECAUSE OF INJECTION OF BECAUSE
OF THE REJECTION OF MY FATHER
00:30:29.42\00:30:33.66
WHO WAS ABUSIVE OR UNAVAILABLE,
FOR ME I STARTED PATTERNING
00:30:33.66\00:30:38.07
AFTER MY MOTHER.
DEFENSIVE DETACHMENT HAPPENS
00:30:38.07\00:30:42.44
WITH BOYS AND GIRLS. ALL
OF A SUDDEN AT THREE, FOUR
00:30:42.44\00:30:45.44
YEARS OLD Y DIDN'T LIKE PLAYING
WITH DOLLS, I DIDN'T LIKE
00:30:45.44\00:30:48.48
TRUCKS, I DIDN'T LIKE SPORTS,
I LIKED DOING THE THINGS MY
00:30:48.48\00:30:51.71
MOTHERS AND SISTERS DID.
MY PATTERNS BECAME FEMININE.
00:30:51.71\00:30:55.65
WHEN I STARTED SCHOOL, THE BOYS
MADE IT VERY OBVIOUS THIS GUY'S
00:30:55.65\00:30:59.05
GOT SOME ISSUES SO THE ONE THING
THAT I NEEDED WAS MASCULINE
00:30:59.05\00:31:03.43
AFFIRMATION. I
NEEDED TO KNOW THAT I WAS
00:31:03.43\00:31:05.53
ACCEPTABLE AS A MALE. THE
ONLY ACCEPTANCE I FOUND WAS
00:31:05.53\00:31:09.56
IN CROSS DRESSING WITH MY
SISTERS AND MY MOM, AND THE KIDS
00:31:09.56\00:31:12.30
THAT PUSHED ME AWAY
WITH THEIR NAME-CALLING.
00:31:12.30\00:31:14.97
WHAT THAT DID IS THAT, THAT MADE
THE GULF EVEN DEEPER OF THIS
00:31:14.97\00:31:19.07
INABILITY TO CONNECT WITH
MEN. SO IT BECAME SEXUALIZED AT
00:31:19.07\00:31:23.41
PUBERTY. SO I
NEVER THOUGHT THAT I WAS
00:31:23.41\00:31:25.25
GAY. I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THOSE
00:31:25.25\00:31:27.45
ATTRACTIONS, I WAS
NEVER MOLESTED SO NONE OF THAT
00:31:27.45\00:31:29.75
SEXUALITY WAS
AWAKENED IN MY UNTIL PUBERTY.
00:31:29.75\00:31:34.46
FEELING INADEQUATE AS A MALE, I
THOUGHT THE ONLY SOLUTION WAS TO
00:31:34.46\00:31:37.23
BE A FEMALE. I
REMEMBER PRAYING TO GOD AND
00:31:37.23\00:31:40.40
ASKING HIM THAT HE WOULD TURN ME
INTO A LITTLE GIRL AND IT WOULD
00:31:40.40\00:31:43.57
ALL BE SETTLED. THAT
FOLLOWED ME UNTIL I WAS 20
00:31:43.57\00:31:46.50
YEARS OLD. WHAT WAS
SO SHOCKING IS THAT AT
00:31:46.50\00:31:49.04
20 YEARS OLD IT WASN'T LIKE
I HAD THIS MIRACLE FROM GOD AND
00:31:49.04\00:31:55.14
NOW SATISFIED
WITH MY MALE PARTS.
00:31:55.14\00:31:57.78
IT WAS WHEN I WENT INTO GAY
CULTURE I FOUND THAT MASCULINITY
00:31:57.78\00:32:04.72
WAS MORE
VALUABLE THAN FEMININITY.
00:32:04.72\00:32:07.76
I NEEDED AFFIRMATION FROM MEN.
DOESN'T IT MAKE SENSE I
MIGHT-SEEK IT ANY WAY I CAN GET
00:32:07.76\00:32:14.63
THAT SATISFIED. AT 20
YEARS OLD I FINALLY WAS
00:32:14.63\00:32:17.33
SATISFIED REALIZING I'M
GLAD I DIDN'T HAVE A SEX CHANGE.
00:32:17.33\00:32:20.27
UNTIL I WAS 20 YEARS OLD I WOULD
HAVE ABSOLUTELY HAD THAT SEX
00:32:20.27\00:32:23.57
CHANGE HAD IT BEEN
AVAILABLE FOR ME AT THAT TIME.
00:32:23.57\00:32:26.68
AT 40 YEARS OLD, COMING BACK
INTO CHURCH CULTURE, AFER 20
00:32:26.68\00:32:30.48
YEARS OF LIVING IN GAY CULTURE,
IT WAS REALLY DIFFICULT BECAUSE
00:32:30.48\00:32:34.05
NOT ONLY WAS I GETTING REJECTION
FROM THE GAY COMMUNITY, I WAS
00:32:34.05\00:32:37.69
GETTING REJECTION STILL FROM
THE CHURCH THAT I CAME INTO.
00:32:37.69\00:32:42.06
EVEN MY CLIENTS THAT WOULD COME
IN, THEY WOULD SAY MIKE, YOU'RE
00:32:42.06\00:32:44.36
GAY, THAT'S JUST WHO YOU
ARE. SO IT WAS REALLY DIFFICULT.
00:32:44.36\00:32:48.70
>> WHAT WERE YOU IN?
>> Mike Carducci: I WAS A
00:32:48.70\00:32:53.64
HAIRDRESSER. I WAS IN
BUSINESS WITH MY LOVER.
00:32:53.64\00:32:56.07
MY BOYFRIEND ACTUALLY TOOK ME TO
THE PRIEST AT THE GAY CHURCH AND
00:32:56.07\00:32:59.31
SHE SAT DOWN AND SHOWED ME
ALL THOSE VERSES, GAVE ME ALL OF
00:32:59.31\00:33:04.65
THOSE EXPLANATIONS FOR, UH,
IT WAS BASICALLY IN HOSPITALITY,
00:33:04.65\00:33:09.18
THE SIN OF SODOM AND GOMORRA,
I WAS REALLY RESPONDING TO AN
00:33:09.18\00:33:16.39
INVITATION FROM
CHRIST. I LOOKED AT HER, AND AS
00:33:16.39\00:33:18.76
DESPERATE AS I WAS TO HANG ON
TO MY BOYFRIEND I THOUGHT THAT'S
00:33:18.76\00:33:22.33
RIDICULOUS, THAT
DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE.
00:33:22.33\00:33:24.43
AND IT DIDN'T CHANGE THE FACT
THAT I WAS STILL STRUGGLING WITH
00:33:24.43\00:33:26.70
A LOT OF CONFUSION, THAT I
WASN'T GETTING ANSWERS IN OUR
00:33:26.70\00:33:30.07
CHURCH OR OUR DENOMINATION.
SO I PUT THE RESPONSIBILITY ON
00:33:30.07\00:33:34.08
GOD, NOT KNOWING
WHERE ELSE TO TURN.
00:33:34.08\00:33:35.98
WHAT WAS SO BEAUTIFUL THE LORD
STARTED TO SHOW ME THERE WAS
00:33:35.98\00:33:38.65
SCIENCE TO BACK UP SOME
OF WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO ME.
00:33:38.65\00:33:41.05
AND THEN THE BIBLE CAME IN AND
STARTED TO AFFIRM THE SCIENCE
00:33:41.05\00:33:45.49
THAT I WAS DISCOVERING AS
WELL, AND GOD HIMSELF PERSONALLY
00:33:45.49\00:33:49.22
REVEALED SOME OF THAT TO ME.
AS SHOCKED AS YOU MIGHT BE, I AM
00:33:49.22\00:33:52.63
JUST AS SHOCKED TO THINK THAT I
AM SITTING HERE, YOU KNOW, WITH
00:33:52.63\00:33:55.40
THIS WONDERFUL PANEL, AND
TALKING ABOUT MY SAVIOR WHEN
00:33:55.40\00:33:58.07
JUST A FEW YEARS AGO I HAD A
DINNER PARTY CELEBRATING ELLEN
00:33:58.07\00:34:03.54
DEGENERES COMING OUT ON HER
TELEVISION SHOW.  VERN QUITE A
00:34:03.54\00:34:07.51
TRANSFORMATION, GOD
IS AMAZING. >> YEAH.
00:34:07.51\00:34:11.35
>> I WAS JUST THINKING TO YOUR
EARLIER COMMENT ABOUT MEDIA IN
00:34:11.35\00:34:14.85
THE BOOK, WE SEE PROGRAMS IT'S
OKAY TO NAME A PROGRAM, ISN'T
00:34:14.85\00:34:20.86
IT? LIKE MODERN FAMILY.
00:34:20.86\00:34:22.46
I UNDERSTAND THIS IS AN
EXCEPTIONALLY WELL-CAST PROGRAM,
00:34:22.46\00:34:25.69
AND PEOPLE SAY THAT
IT'S SO FUNNY, YOU KNOW?
00:34:25.69\00:34:29.73
IT'S JUST FUN. AND
I'VE TALKED WITH CHRISTIANS
00:34:29.73\00:34:32.77
WHO WATCH THIS. WHAT THEY DON'T
REALIZE, I-ALWAYS SAY SATAN WHEN
00:34:32.77\00:34:38.97
HE WHEN HE IS TRYING TO PASS
OFF SIN, HE DOESN'T PUT IT IN A
00:34:38.97\00:34:44.01
PAPER, BROWN PAPER BAG AND MAKE
IT LOOK UGLY. WHAT HE WILL DO IS
00:34:44.01\00:34:49.65
PUT IT IN SHINY FOIL PAPER
WITH A NICE, SATURN RIBBON.
00:34:49.65\00:34:56.86
WHAT HE HANDS YOU IT'S NOTHING
MORE THAN GIFT-WRAPPED
GARBAGE.-úPEOPLE THINK IT'S JUST
00:34:56.86\00:35:06.50
FUN. OR PEOPLE WHO APPROVE OF
A LIFESTYLE BY PUTTING SOMEONE
00:35:06.50\00:35:11.71
INTO A CHURCH LEADERSHIP
POSITION, OR THE LADY THAT YOU
00:35:11.71\00:35:14.11
SAW AT THE GAY CHURCH AND
YOU SAID WHAT IS SHE SAYING, IT
00:35:14.11\00:35:18.35
DOESN'T MAKE SENSE?
MAY I JUST QUICKLY READ
00:35:18.35\00:35:21.72
SOMETHING? >> SURE.
00:35:21.72\00:35:22.85
>> IN ROMANS CHAPTER ONE,
WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE DOING IS
00:35:22.85\00:35:27.59
EXCHANGING A
TRUTH - - . >> OKAY.
00:35:27.59\00:35:29.39
>> FOR A LIE. HE SAYS,
UH, GOD GAVE THEM UP TO
00:35:29.39\00:35:34.50
THE TO DISHONOR THEIR BODIES
AMONG THEMSELVES WHO EXCHANGED
00:35:34.50\00:35:37.57
THE TRUTH OF GOD FOR THE LIE.
AND IT GOES ON AND HE'S TALKING
00:35:37.57\00:35:41.84
ABOUT THEIR VILE PASSIONS.
WOMEN, UH, EXCHANGING THE
00:35:41.84\00:35:47.21
NATURAL USE FOR WHAT IS AGAINST
NATURE, LIKEWISE ALSO MEN BURNED
00:35:47.21\00:35:54.82
IN THEIR LUST FOR ONE
ANOTHER. THEN COMMITTING WHAT IS
00:35:54.82\00:35:59.15
SHAMEFUL. AND HE
GOES ON TO THE POINT,
00:35:59.15\00:36:02.09
THIS IS THE SUMMARY OF IT ALL,
HE'S SAYING TO US THAT YOU, WHO
00:36:02.09\00:36:08.43
KNOW THE RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT OF
GOD, KNOWING THAT THE RIGHTEOUS
00:36:08.43\00:36:12.87
JUDGMENT OF GOD THAT THOSE
WHO PRACTICE SUCH THINGS ARE
00:36:12.87\00:36:16.91
DESERVING OF DEATH.  NOT ONLY
DO THE SAME, BUT ALSO APPROVE OF
00:36:16.91\00:36:22.88
THOSE WHO PRACTICE THEM. SO
OUR WATCHING AND CLAPPING OUR
00:36:22.88\00:36:27.35
HANDS OVER SOMETHING THAT WE
THINK IS FUNNY AND ENTERTAINING,
00:36:27.35\00:36:31.09
WE'RE ACTUALLY
APPROVING OF THE PRACTICE.
00:36:31.09\00:36:35.16
OUR PROMOTING SOMEONE TO A
POSITION OF AUTHORITY, WE'RE
00:36:35.16\00:36:39.29
ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S
NOT - - IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, WHEN
00:36:39.29\00:36:43.20
SOMEONE COMES INTO THE
CHURCH WE WANT TO LOVE THEM.
00:36:43.20\00:36:46.87
I'M SORRY YOU FELT
REJECTION-BECAUSE WHAT WE TRY TO
DO, WE HAD SOMEONE WHO COMES TO
00:36:46.87\00:36:51.74
OUR CHURCH AND WE TRIED TO
MAKE HIM FEEL SO LOVED AND WE DO
00:36:51.74\00:36:56.18
EVERYTHING TO LET HIM
KNOW THAT HE IS GOD'S CHILD.
00:36:56.18\00:36:58.28
BUT AT THE SAME POINT AND TIME,
WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT HIM IN A
00:36:58.28\00:37:04.12
LEADERSHIP POSITION BECAUSE,
THINKING, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE
00:37:04.12\00:37:06.52
HIM IF WE LOVE
HIM INTO LEADERSHIP.
00:37:06.52\00:37:10.63
BECAUSE THEN WE'RE APPROVING
OF THE PRACTICE AND WE CONFUSE
00:37:10.63\00:37:13.16
YOUNG MINDS. >> CA
Murray: A COUPLE OF THINGS
00:37:13.16\00:37:17.53
COME TO MIND. YOU
HAVE TO SHOW FRUIT OF YOUR
00:37:17.53\00:37:21.97
MINISTRY, UH, BEFORE YOU
ARE PLACED INTO MINISTRY.
00:37:21.97\00:37:25.74
BUT, UM, I JUST READ, I SPENT
SOME TIME ONLINE THIS AFTERNOON
00:37:25.74\00:37:29.18
JUST TO SEE WHAT POPULAR CULTURE
WAS SAYING ON THE INTERNET, THAT
00:37:29.18\00:37:34.02
THERE IS A REVIONIST DOCTRINE
OF THAT WHOLE PASSAGE YOU RED.
00:37:34.02\00:37:40.12
MIKE, YOU ALLUDED TO THE
REVISIONEST DOCTRINE OF SODOM
00:37:40.12\00:37:49.80
AND GOMORRAH. THAT IT
WAS NOT HOMOSEXUALITY,
00:37:49.80\00:37:57.64
THE PROBLEM IS IT
WAS INHOSPITAL ITY.
00:37:57.64\00:38:03.28
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT
IF YOU WANT TO FIND SOMETHING TO
00:38:03.28\00:38:09.25
BUTTRESS YOUR MIND SET NO MATTER
HOW PERVERTED OR TWISTED YOU CAN
00:38:09.25\00:38:12.95
GO TO THE INTERNET AND
FIND REAMES OF THINGS THAT WILL
00:38:12.95\00:38:15.69
REINFORCE YOUR POSITION.
WHICH IS WHY THE INTERNET IS NOT
00:38:15.69\00:38:18.63
THE WORD OF GOD, THE
BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD.
00:38:18.63\00:38:21.70
SO YOU CANNOT TAKE YOUR
DOCTRINAL PREMISE JUST FROM
00:38:21.70\00:38:24.60
READING THE INTER-T.
YOU'VE GOT TO STAY WITH THE WORD
00:38:24.60\00:38:27.47
OF GOD.  YOU'VE GOT TO PRAY
BEFORE YOU READ THE WORD OF GOD
00:38:27.47\00:38:31.51
BECAUSE YOU CAN GET ALL KINDS OF
THINGS THAT WILL MAKE YOU EVEN
00:38:31.51\00:38:34.08
MORE CONFUSED THAN
YOU ARE WHEN YOU BEGAN.
00:38:34.08\00:38:38.98
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I
LOVE ABOUT WHAT YOU DID WITH THE
00:38:38.98\00:38:41.28
BOOK, YOU CONSISTENTLY BUILD
YOUR CASE, SO TO SPEAK, FROM THE
00:38:41.28\00:38:44.79
WORD. IT'S NOT
WHAT DANNY THINKS, IT'S
00:38:44.79\00:38:47.02
WHAT DOES THE WORD OF GOD SAY.
AND THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT
00:38:47.02\00:38:50.43
BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW HOW -
- WHAT IS GOING ON IN SOCIETY AS
00:38:50.43\00:38:57.60
IT PERTAINS TO THE WORD OF
GOD. VERN THAT'S ONE THE THINGS
00:38:57.60\00:39:00.70
THAT'S REALLY GOOD YOU ACTUALLY
LOGICALLY BUILD YOUR POSITION,
00:39:00.70\00:39:07.61
THE BIBLICAL POSITION, WITHIN
THE BOOK, AND IT, AND IT, IT'S
00:39:07.61\00:39:11.15
SO HELPFUL
BECAUSE IT'S VERY LOGICAL.
00:39:11.15\00:39:16.55
I THINK THAT ANYBODY WHO READS
THIS HAS TO UNDERSTAND THAT, HAS
00:39:16.55\00:39:19.45
TO SEE THAT THIS
COMES FROM THE LORD.
00:39:19.45\00:39:21.26
THIS IS COMING FROM THE
WORD. >: YOU KNOW, IT WAS FUNNY
00:39:21.26\00:39:24.26
BECAUSE AS I STARTED TO READ THE
BOOK, I THOUGHT WOW, HE'S HE'S
00:39:24.26\00:39:29.10
COMING RIGHT OF THE BLOCKS
WITH IT, TALKING ABOUT ABORTION,
00:39:29.10\00:39:32.37
HOMOSEXUALITY, TRANSGENDERRISM.
THEN ALL OF A SUD YOUNG PEOPLE
00:39:32.37\00:39:34.94
STARTED BRINGING IT AROUND TO
THE LAW AND THE SABBATH AND I GO
00:39:34.94\00:39:37.94
REALLY, THAT'S A STRETCH,
WHERE'S HE GOING WITH THIS.
00:39:37.94\00:39:40.61
AS IT STARTED TO UNFOLD EVEN FOR
ME FOR TALKING ABOUT THE SABBATH
00:39:40.61\00:39:44.81
AS A CORNERSTONE AND
A CORNERSTONE THAT HOLDS
00:39:44.81\00:39:47.85
EVERYTHING ELSE UP, WOW, I
REALLY SAW HOW YOU TAKE OUT ONE
00:39:47.85\00:39:51.29
OF THOSE LAWS, EVEN THE ONE
THAT GOD SAYS REMEMBER, AND BAM,
00:39:51.29\00:39:55.26
YOU'VE LOST
EVERYTHING. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
00:39:55.26\00:39:58.16
>> YOU HAVE NO GROUNDING AT ALL.
THE SAD REALITY IS THOSE OF US
00:39:58.16\00:40:01.60
WHO STILL HOLD ON TO THE SABBATH
TRUTH, HOW SAD THAT WE'RE BEING
00:40:01.60\00:40:05.03
INFLUENCED BY THE WORLD AND
WE'RE LETTING GO OF SOME OF THE
00:40:05.03\00:40:07.87
PRINCIPLES AND CAUSING OUR OWN,
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD
00:40:07.87\00:40:10.67
CALL IT, DEMOLITION FROM INSIDE.
>> CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION,
00:40:10.67\00:40:19.01
MIKE, HOW DID YOU - - YOU BEGAN
COMING BACK TO THE CHURCH, HOW
00:40:19.01\00:40:21.68
DID YOU FINALLY, AFTER TALKING
WITH THIS FEMALE PASTOR OF THE
00:40:21.68\00:40:27.49
GAY CHURCH, SHE'S TRYING TO DO
REVISION, HOW DID YOU WAKE UP TO
00:40:27.49\00:40:31.13
THE TRUTH AND ACTALLY COME OUT
OF THAT DARKNESS INTO THE LORD
00:40:31.13\00:40:38.30
LIGHT? >> Mike
Carducci: THE LORD
00:40:38.30\00:40:42.07
DIDN'T DRAG ME KICKING
AND SCREAMING, BUT I WA CLOSE.
00:40:42.07\00:40:45.01
I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT IT WAS JUST
BING OVER THE HEAD AND I WAS
00:40:45.01\00:40:48.84
READY TO START DATING WOMEN AND
ALL OF THAT, BUT THERE WAS SO
00:40:48.84\00:40:51.61
MUCH HISTORY THAT
REALLY HAD TO BE ADDRESSED.
00:40:51.61\00:40:54.52
AND HOW WONDERFUL THAT GOD
DIDN'T JUST GIVE IT TO ME AND
00:40:54.52\00:40:58.35
SAY HERE'S YOUR
GARBAGE, MIKE, DEAL WITH IT.
00:40:58.35\00:41:04.09
HE GAVE ME WHAT I COULD HANDLE
AT A TIME I COULD HANDLE IT.
00:41:04.09\00:41:07.30
I THOUGHT I NEEDED TO BE
BAPTIZED AGAIN.  I DIDN'T COME
00:41:07.30\00:41:10.40
UP OUT OF THE WATER STRAIGHT,
READY TO DATE, MATE, AND PRO
00:41:10.40\00:41:14.34
CREATE. SO FOR ME
I THOUGHT I HAD DONE
00:41:14.34\00:41:16.37
SOMETHING WRONG. I
THINK WE DO A LOT OF PEOPLE A
00:41:16.37\00:41:18.74
DISSERVICE WHEN YOU GET BAPTIZED
AND WE THINK WELL, YOU'VE GOT
00:41:18.74\00:41:21.84
THE 28
FUNDAMENTALS, BE ON YOUR WAY.
00:41:21.84\00:41:27.52
THAT'S REALLY WHEN IT
STARTED BEGINNING FOR ME.
00:41:27.52\00:41:29.52
I WAS STILL IN A RELATIONSHIP,
THE PASTOR WOULD NOT HAVE
00:41:29.52\00:41:32.89
BAPTIZED ME HAD HE KNOWN THAT.
AS I WAS BEGINNING THIS JOURNEY
00:41:32.89\00:41:35.96
NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M READING
UNIN THE WORD OF GOD HE'S SAYING
00:41:35.96\00:41:40.16
THAT HOMOSEXUAL PRACTICE IS AN
U BALM NATION.  I'M THINKING HOW
00:41:40.16\00:41:44.37
COULD YOU BE SO LOVING AND TELL
ME MY RELATIONSHIP ISN'T RIGHT?
00:41:44.37\00:41:48.80
AS I WAS DESPERATELY TRYING TO
HANG ON TO MY RELATIONSHIP, BUT
00:41:48.80\00:41:53.07
AS I WAS EXPERIENCING JESUS
CHRIST, WHAT WAS INCREDIBLE ISI
00:41:53.07\00:41:56.91
CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU HOW OR WHY I
REALIZED WHEN I NEEDED TO MAKE A
00:41:56.91\00:42:04.09
DECISION, I NEEDED CHRIST MORE
THAN I NEEDED THAT BOYFRIEND I
00:42:04.09\00:42:10.56
SAID IF YOU WANT ME OUT OF
HAT RELATIONSHIP YOU'RE GOING TO
00:42:10.56\00:42:12.93
HAVE TO DO IT YOURSELF. AND
THE LORD SAID, I THINK, I'LL
00:42:12.93\00:42:17.40
GET RIGHT ON THAT. A
FEW WEEKS LATER MY BOYFRIEND
00:42:17.40\00:42:20.24
BROKE UP WITH ME. WHAT
WAS SO BEAUTIFUL IS THAT
00:42:20.24\00:42:22.77
FOR EVERYTHING THAT I FELT THAT
I WAS GIVING UP, WHETHER IT WAS
00:42:22.77\00:42:26.54
PHYSICALLY, THE THINGS THAT I
HAD INDULGED IN FOR YEARS, THE
00:42:26.54\00:42:30.15
THINGS I DIDN'T
THINK WERE INTERCHANGEABLE.
00:42:30.15\00:42:32.35
AS I JUST STARTED EMPTYING
OUT MYSELF AND LEARNING TO TRUST
00:42:32.35\00:42:35.58
JESUS CHRIST. I THINK THAT IT'S
A FAIR-STATEMENT TO SAY THAT
00:42:35.58\00:42:39.35
THAT TAKES TIME. ANY
RELATIONSHIP TAKES TIME.
00:42:39.35\00:42:41.89
AS I REALLY STARTED TO REALIZE
THAT HE WAS MORE FAITHFUL TO ME
00:42:41.89\00:42:46.16
THAN I WAS TO HIM, I STARTED TO
REALIZE I COULD TRUST HIM WITH
00:42:46.16\00:42:49.23
MORE AND MORE OF MY HEART,
AND MORE ISSUES IN MY LIFE.
00:42:49.23\00:42:54.90
SO, SHELLEY, IT WASN'T AN
INSTANTANEOUS THING, BUT I'M
00:42:54.90\00:43:00.54
JUST GLAD HE HUNG IN THERE.
>> Shelley Quinn: HE SAYS YOU
00:43:00.54\00:43:06.82
HAVE TO BE BORN AGAIN
TO SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
00:43:06.82\00:43:08.85
AND YOU HAVE TO BE
BORN AGAIN TO ENTER.
00:43:08.85\00:43:11.69
WHEN YOU'RE BORN AGAIN YOU START
SEEING THROUGH NEW EYES BECAUSE
00:43:11.69\00:43:15.22
THE HOLY SPIRIT IS
HELPING YOU UNDERSTAND.
00:43:15.22\00:43:18.06
YOU SEE THE TRUTH FIRST,
AND THEN GOD EMPOWERS YOU BY HIS
00:43:18.06\00:43:24.17
SPIRIT TO ENTER IT.
THAT'S BEAUTIFUL, YOU WERE BORN
00:43:24.17\00:43:26.53
AGAIN AND YOU DIDN'T REALIZE IT,
BUT WHEN YOU DID GO UNDER THE
00:43:26.53\00:43:30.57
WATER, YOU BURIED YOUR PAST.
YOU CAME UP, AND YOU MAY NOT
00:43:30.57\00:43:36.24
HAVE CHANGED RIGHT AWAY, AS FAR
AS GOD'S CONCERNED YOUR PAST WAS
00:43:36.24\00:43:41.88
BURIED AND HE WAS
PUTTING YOU ON A NEW PATH.
00:43:41.88\00:43:49.12
>> Mike Carducci: THANK
YOU. >> CA Murray: I THINK IN
00:43:49.12\00:43:50.83
LISTENING TO YOUR STORY - - THE
CALL FOR YOU AND ANYONE IN SIN
00:43:50.83\00:43:53.16
IS NOT TO STOP DOING THE SIN.
THE CALL IS TO LOVE JESUS, AND
00:43:53.16\00:43:59.07
FOLLOW YOUR HEART.-ú>> Shelley
Quinn: AMEN. >> CA Murray: AND
00:43:59.07\00:44:04.51
THEN JESUS LIVES OUT HIS LIFE
THROUGH YOU. THE STOPPING OF THE
00:44:04.51\00:44:08.48
SIN IS A PRODUCT OF THE
RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS.
00:44:08.48\00:44:10.68
IF YOU HAVE NO RELATIONSHIP,
YOU HAVE NO STRENGTH.
00:44:10.68\00:44:16.25
>> Mike Carducci: HE
DIDN'T SAY STOP BEING GAY.
00:44:16.25\00:44:18.39
I COULDN'T CHANGE THE ATTRACTION
OR THE HE JUST SAID STOP
00:44:18.39\00:44:22.86
RESISTING ME.
BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW HIM.
00:44:22.86\00:44:24.53
AS I LEARNED TO TRUST HIM MORE
AND RESISTED HIM LESS, THEN IT
00:44:24.53\00:44:28.53
WAS EASIER TO GIVE UP THESE
THINGS THAT WERE REALLY JUST
00:44:28.53\00:44:34.34
BROKEN CISTERNS. >> CA
Murray: PAUL DOESN'T SAY I
00:44:34.34\00:44:39.91
BESEECH YOU PRESENT YOUR BODY
AS A LIVING SACRIFICE AND THAT
00:44:39.91\00:44:44.05
LIVING SACRIFICE WILL
TAKE CARE OF THE GAY ISSUE.
00:44:44.05\00:44:48.32
ANY ISSUE. THE
REMEDY IS THE SAME.
00:44:48.32\00:44:51.35
PRESENT YOUR BODY TO JESUS
AND JESUS WORKS IN YOU, FOR YOU,
00:44:51.35\00:44:54.72
WITH YOU, TO YOU TO STOP
WHAT THAT SIN PATTERN IS.
00:44:54.72\00:44:59.13
>> Shelley Quinn: I JUST
HAVE TO SAY THIS, I THINK MY NEW
00:44:59.13\00:45:02.30
FAVORITE SCRIPTURE IS ROMANS
- - EXCUSE ME, HEBREWS 7:  22.
00:45:02.30\00:45:07.77
GOD JUST OPENED THIS UP TO MEME.
I'VE BEEN STUDYING THE COVENANT
00:45:07.77\00:45:13.44
AND PRESENTING
THE COVENANT FOR YEAR.
00:45:13.44\00:45:17.51
I HAD AN EXPERIENCE IN FEBRUARY
WHEN I WAS OUT AT THE CENTRAL
00:45:17.51\00:45:22.35
CALIFORNIA. IT WAS
SO FASCINATING TO SEE
00:45:22.35\00:45:24.09
PEOPLE'S REACTION TO REALLY
START SEEING ABOUT THE COVENANTS
00:45:24.09\00:45:28.36
OF GOD. BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THIS
00:45:28.36\00:45:30.56
SCRIPTURE, I MEAN, IT DIDN'T
HIT ME UNTIL JUST RECENTLY.
00:45:30.56\00:45:34.36
LISTEN TO THIS, IT'S TALKING
ABOUT JESUS AND HE SAYS BY SO
00:45:34.36\00:45:38.50
MUCH MORE JESUS HAS BECOME
A SURETY OF A BETTER COVENANT.
00:45:38.50\00:45:44.37
AND THEN IT GOES ON
TO SAY HE'S THE SURETY.
00:45:44.37\00:46:23.28
>>  HE'S GOING TO FINISH THE
GOOD WORK HE BEGINS IN US.  SO
00:46:23.28\00:46:26.61
THAT'S WHAT HAPPEN SAID TO YOU.
YOU COULDN'T DO IT IN YOUR OWN
00:46:26.61\00:46:29.92
STRENGTH, BUT THE SURETY. >>
WE'RE SO HAPPY FOR YOUR BOOK.
00:46:29.92\00:46:43.63
I DID A STUDY ON WHICH MEANS AS
YOU PARSE IT OUT, ANY TIME, ANY
00:46:43.63\00:46:49.27
PLACE, ANYWHERE, ANY PERSON,
ANYHOW BY ANY MEANS, EVERY
00:46:49.27\00:46:53.64
PERSON, EVERY TIME, EVERY PLACE,
IN ANY PLACE IN ANY MATTER BY
00:46:53.64\00:46:57.38
ANY MEANS NECESSARY, THERE'S A
LOT OF CONSONANTS IN THAT WORD,
00:46:57.38\00:47:05.05
UTTERMOST. THERE'S
NOTHING YOU CAN BRING
00:47:05.05\00:47:06.12
THAT CHRIST HASN'T SEEN BEFORE,
AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN
00:47:06.12\00:47:08.46
BRING THAT CHRIST
HAS NOT CURED BEFORE.
00:47:08.46\00:47:10.93
SO THERE'S NOTHING NEW UNDER
HEAVEN HE'S DEALT WITH THIS
00:47:10.93\00:47:15.63
BEFORE, AND HE'S
DEALT WITH THIS SUCCESSFUL
00:47:15.63\00:47:21.24
SUCCESSFULLY. >>
Mike Carducci: THERE'S SO
00:47:21.24\00:47:22.64
MUCH SEXUAL BROKENNESS THAT
I FOUND IN THIS MINISTRY IN THE
00:47:22.64\00:47:25.21
LAST SIX YEARS, YOU KNOW, WE
TALK ABOUT OUR STORIES IN COMING
00:47:25.21\00:47:28.71
OUT MINISTRIES, BUT WE HAVE SO
MANY PEOPLE COMING FORWARD THAT
00:47:28.71\00:47:32.11
NEVER STRUGGLED WITH HOMOSEXUAL
ATTRACTION, BUT THEY STRUGGLE
00:47:32.11\00:47:35.12
WITH PORNOGRAPHY ADDICTION
OR SEXUAL ADDICTION FROM THE
00:47:35.12\00:47:38.55
PASTORS ON DOWN. AS
PART OF THE ISSUES IS THAT
00:47:38.55\00:47:43.66
ARE WE REALLY SURE THAT
JESUS CAN HEAL ANY CONDITION?
00:47:43.66\00:47:49.93
IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING VICTORY ON
YOUR LIFE, YOU MIGHT SAY LET THE
00:47:49.93\00:47:56.00
GAY GUY BRING HIS BOYFRIEND
IN. HE MAY AS WELL JOIN US TOO.
00:47:56.00\00:47:59.91
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF TRUTH
IN THAT, THAT WE'RE JUST NOT
00:47:59.91\00:48:02.31
SEEING THE POWER
OF GOD MANIFESTED.
00:48:02.31\00:48:09.45
>> Shelley Quinn: AND I
THINK THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE NOT
00:48:09.45\00:48:11.35
SURRENDERING. ANY
TIME WE TRY TO WORK OUT OUR
00:48:11.35\00:48:15.72
OWN SALVATION WITHOUT HIS
POWER WE'RE GOING TO FAIL.
00:48:15.72\00:48:19.36
EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY TIME.
>> AND SO MANY PEOPLE WE KNOW
00:48:19.36\00:48:23.47
OBEDIENCE IS IMPORTANT,
BUT OBEDIENCE BECAUSE IT IS THE
00:48:23.47\00:48:27.20
PATHSWAY TO GOD'S BLESSING.
BUT OBEDIENCE IS ONLY BY HIS
00:48:27.20\00:48:31.47
POWER. IT'S BY GRACE.
00:48:31.47\00:48:35.24
WHEN YOU TRY TO THINK THAT
YOU CAN DO SOMETHING TO SAVE
00:48:35.24\00:48:38.98
YOURSELF, GUESS WHAT?
GOD'S GOING TO SHOW YOU.
00:48:38.98\00:48:41.82
NOPE. SALVATION BELONGS TO GOD.
00:48:41.82\00:48:44.62
BUTS ONCE YOU GET TO THAT
POINT OF JUST, YOU KNOW, OUR
00:48:44.62\00:48:48.16
RESPONSIBILITY DAY BY DAY, AND
I'M SURE FOR YOU AT LEAST FOR ME
00:48:48.16\00:48:53.60
IT'S A DAY BY DAY SURRENDER.
>> Mike Carducci: IT'S ABOUT
00:48:53.60\00:48:59.00
EVERY FIVE MINUTES,
SHELLEY. >> Shelley Quinn: AND I
00:48:59.00\00:49:01.74
UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING
BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THERE TOO, AND
00:49:01.74\00:49:04.07
STILL DO. BUT THE
WHOLE POINT IS THE
00:49:04.07\00:49:06.31
REASON PEOPLE AREN'T SEEING
VICTORY IS BECAUSE THEY JUST
00:49:06.31\00:49:12.28
HAVEN'T ODS KAY, LORD,
SALVATION LIVES IN YOU.
00:49:12.28\00:49:16.55
LIVE IN ME, WORK IN ME.
>> SHELLEY AND I WROTE TEN
00:49:16.55\00:49:25.13
COMMANDMENTS TWICE REMOVED.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE
00:49:25.13\00:49:28.03
WRITTEN A A BOOK.
NORMALLY I'M WRITING FOR THOSE
00:49:28.03\00:49:30.47
THAT ARE NOT CHRISTIANS,
OR THOSE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH,
00:49:30.47\00:49:33.50
BECAUSE I WANT TO PRESENT,.
AND WE LOOK AT IT SOMETIMES IN
00:49:33.50\00:49:39.84
OUR OWN LITTLE WORLD WAIT A
MINUTE NO MATTER WHAT CHURCH YOU
00:49:39.84\00:49:44.05
GO TO IF YOU'RE CHRISTIAN
YOU BELIEVE IN THE COMMANDMENTS.
00:49:44.05\00:49:51.89
IF SO, THEN WHY IS IT STILL
WRONG TO STEAL, AND KILL, AND
00:49:51.89\00:49:55.22
ALL OF THESE THINGS. OF
COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE WRITING
00:49:55.22\00:49:58.63
OF THE ORDINANCE WAS NAILED
AT THE CROSS, BUT IT'S THE FIRST
00:49:58.63\00:50:01.36
TIME I'VE BEEN IMPRESSED TO
WRITE A BOOK THAT TWO CHURCH
00:50:01.36\00:50:07.87
MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, EVEN OUR
CHURCH AS WELL AS EVANGELICALS,
00:50:07.87\00:50:12.74
AS WELL AS NON-CHRISTIANS,
AS WELL AS VIRTUALLY EVERYONE
00:50:12.74\00:50:16.61
BECAUSE WHAT I'VE SEEN,
CREEPING INTO THE CHURCH.
00:50:16.61\00:50:22.68
IT'S COMING IN FULL BARRELS.
IT'S COMING IN FROM EVERY WAY.
00:50:22.68\00:50:26.65
THERE WAS A SURVEY THAT
OF-COLLEGE CHRISTIAN COLLEGE,
UH, STUDENTS AND 49% OF THOSE
00:50:26.65\00:50:37.57
SAID WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING
WRONG WITH-úSAME-SEX MARRIAGE.
00:50:37.57\00:50:40.44
CHRISTIAN COLLEGE. SO I DON'T
EVEN WANT TO SAY WHICH ONE, WHAT
00:50:40.44\00:50:44.11
DENOMINATION, BUT YOU CAN TAKE
A GUESS. THAT'S SHOCKING TO ME,
00:50:44.11\00:50:48.98
THAT 49% OF OUR YOUNG PEOPLE,
BECAUSE IF WE BELIEVE THAT AND
00:50:48.98\00:50:52.48
THAT'S THE BURDEN THAT I REALLY
HAVE - - IF THAT IS ACCEPTABLE,
00:50:52.48\00:50:56.42
THEN THE SABBATH, NOT IMPORTANT.
UH, SAME WAY WITH ABORTION.
00:50:56.42\00:51:00.36
WE CAN TALK ABOUT
ABORTION FOR A BIT.
00:51:00.36\00:51:03.02
WE, SINCE IT BECAME LAW OF THE
LAND, ROWE VERSUS WADE IN 1973,
00:51:03.02\00:51:09.53
WE DON'T HEAR MUCH
ABOUT IT IN CHURCHES ANYMORE.
00:51:09.53\00:51:12.33
IT'S LEGAL.-IT'S LEGAL ON THIS
EARTH, BUT IT'S NOT LEGAL IN THE
00:51:12.33\00:51:17.44
SIGHT OF GOD. THERE
ARE SOME STATES, DID YOU
00:51:17.44\00:51:19.87
KNOW, THAT FIVE MINUTES BEFORE A
BABY IS BORN, IT'S OKAY TO ABORT
00:51:19.87\00:51:23.91
IT. FIVE MINUTES AFTER YOU'RE
00:51:23.91\00:51:25.71
ACCUSED OF MURDER. IF
FIVE MINUTES BEFORE SOMEONE
00:51:25.71\00:51:28.85
KILLS THIS WOMAN AND THE
BABY YOU'RE CHARGED WITH DOUBLE
00:51:28.85\00:51:32.82
HOMICIDE. THAT
SEEMS VERY INCONSISTENT IF
00:51:32.82\00:51:34.89
THEY'RE FOUGHT REALLY LOOKING AT
IT AS A HUMAN BEING, AS A CHILD.
00:51:34.89\00:51:39.73
SO ABORTION, IT'S AMAZING
TO ME THAT PEOPLE CAN SUPPORT
00:51:39.73\00:51:44.67
POLITICAL CANDIDATES OR CHURCHES
WHO SAY I THINK ABORTION, IT'S
00:51:44.67\00:51:48.10
UP TO THE WOMAN'S CHOICE.
WELL, THEN, IF IT'S ABOUT
00:51:48.10\00:51:54.61
CHOICE, WHY CAN'T I GO
SLAP SOMEBODY IF I CAN?
00:51:54.61\00:51:56.95
IF I FEEL LIKE DOING WHATEVER
I CAN?  EARN ARE IT'S A CHOICE I
00:51:56.95\00:52:01.88
SHOULD HAVE A
CHOICE TO BE MYSELF.
00:52:01.88\00:52:03.42
THIS IS CHOICE OVER
SOMEONE ELSE'S LIFE.
00:52:03.42\00:52:05.22
THE MOST DEFENSELESS HUMAN
BEINGS ON EARTH ARE THE UNBORN
00:52:05.22\00:52:10.59
BABIES. YET WE, AS
A CHRISTIAN CHURCH,
00:52:10.59\00:52:12.53
SAY VERY LITTLE ABOUT IT.
WHY DO WE NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT
00:52:12.53\00:52:16.06
IT. OUR
SILENCE, I TALK ABOUT THE
00:52:16.06\00:52:18.57
SILENCE OF CHRISTIANS IS JUST
AS DAMAGING AS THOSE WHO ARE OUT
00:52:18.57\00:52:25.94
THERE, SAY, PRO-CHOICE.
WHEN WE'RE SILENT ABOUT IT,
00:52:25.94\00:52:29.11
WE'RE ACCESSORIES TO THE FACT
THAT OVER 60 MILLION IF I HAVE
00:52:29.11\00:52:32.95
THE FIGURES RIGHT IF I LOOK THEM
UP, BABIS SINCE THAT TIME HAVE
00:52:32.95\00:52:36.65
BEEN KILLED. 60 MILLION.
00:52:36.65\00:52:38.65
AND I'M ACCESSORY TO THAT IF
I DON'T STAND UP AND SAY THAT'S
00:52:38.65\00:52:41.89
NOT RIGHT. NOW, DOES
THIS MEAN I THINK I'M
00:52:41.89\00:52:44.63
PERFECT? NO, AND
I'M GLAD YOU GOT THAT
00:52:44.63\00:52:46.96
POINT BECAUSE I REALLY
PRAYED AND STRUGGLED IN THIS.
00:52:46.96\00:52:50.60
EVERYTHING I WROTE
I PUT MYSELF IN THAT.
00:52:50.60\00:52:56.37
I KNOW MIKE, YOU LIVED
YOUR BACKGROUND AS A HOMOSEXUAL.
00:52:56.37\00:53:01.51
I'M NO DIFFERENT I
HAVE SIN IN MY LIFE.
00:53:01.51\00:53:03.48
YOU'RE NO DIFFERENT
YOU HAVE SIN IN YOUR LIFE.
00:53:03.48\00:53:06.88
I HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE MIKE,
I'M NOT THAT WAY SO I'M OKAY.
00:53:06.88\00:53:09.85
I CAN'T DO THAT. I LOVE
MIKE, EVEN WHEN HE WAS A
00:53:09.85\00:53:14.09
HOMOSEXUAL. IF I HA
KNOWN YOU, IT'S MY JOB,
00:53:14.09\00:53:16.19
MY RESPONSIBILITY, AND MY
PRIVILEGE TO LOVE A FELLOW HUMAN
00:53:16.19\00:53:19.36
BEING AND TO TRY TO INTRODUCE
THEM TO JESUS THAT CAN GIVE US
00:53:19.36\00:53:24.63
VICTORY OVER OUR PROBLEMS.
I HAVE PROBLEMS, THEY'RE
00:53:24.63\00:53:29.34
DIFFERENT KIND THAN HIS. IN
WRITING THIS, IT'S IN NO WAY
00:53:29.34\00:53:34.74
TO SAY I'M PERFECT, I KEEP
ALL THE COMMANDMENTS YOU DON'T.
00:53:34.74\00:53:37.35
IT'S NOT A FINGER POINTING
THING, IT'S AN ISSUE THAT SAYS
00:53:37.35\00:53:39.91
THIS IS
DESTROYING THE CHURCH OF GOD.
00:53:39.91\00:53:42.58
THE DEVIL, AS I MENTIONED
EARLIER, THE BIBLE SAYS IF IT
00:53:42.58\00:53:46.72
WERE POSSIBLE TO
RECEIVE THE VERY ELECT.
00:53:46.72\00:53:48.96
STARTING WITH THIS YOUNGER
GENERATION, WHEN OUR YOUNG
00:53:48.96\00:53:50.83
PEOPLE IN OUR SCHOOLS AND
ACADEMIES AND OUR COLLEGES
00:53:50.83\00:53:54.73
BELIEVE THAT SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
AND ABORTION SHOULD BE A CHOICE,
00:53:54.73\00:53:58.33
THE WOMAN'S CHOICE, IF YOU
WANT TO ABORT YOU CAN, OR NOT.
00:53:58.33\00:54:01.57
IT'S NOT BIBLICAL. SO
WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT STAND.
00:54:01.57\00:54:04.91
BUT PEOPLE, FOR YEARS, HAVE
SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT
00:54:04.91\00:54:08.31
TO BE CAREFUL WITH
THAT. MY THING IS NOW.
00:54:08.31\00:54:49.48
>> INTERFAITH MEETING.
EIGHT MILLION PEOPLE, WHATEVER,
00:54:49.48\00:54:52.12
BRING ALL THESE
DIFFERENT RELIGIONS TOGETHER.
00:54:52.12\00:54:54.39
LET'S HAVE
MEETINGS FOR FIVE DAYS.
00:54:54.39\00:54:56.56
DO YOU KNOW WHAT HE
SAID? IN THE FIVE DAYS, ALL THE
00:54:56.56\00:55:01.70
MEETINGS, THERE WAS
NEVER ONE PRAYER SAID.
00:55:01.70\00:55:03.63
YOU KNOW WHY? THEY
WERE AFRAID THEY WOULD
00:55:03.63\00:55:09.27
OFFEND SOMEONE ELSE'S RELIGION,
SO NO ONE WOULD EVEN PRAY FOR
00:55:09.27\00:55:14.51
THEIR FOOD. YOU HEARD ME RIGHT.
00:55:14.51\00:55:16.08
NO ONE WOULD EVEN PRAY FOR THEIR
FOOD BECAUSE THEY WERE WORRIED
00:55:16.08\00:55:20.15
ABOUT - - SEE, IT'S
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.
00:55:20.15\00:55:22.38
AND I TALK ABOUT THAT
IN THIS BOOK QUITE A BIT.
00:55:22.38\00:55:26.09
WE'VE CHOSEN POLITICAL
CORRECTNESS OVER GOD'S LAW.
00:55:26.09\00:55:28.99
WHEN YOU DO THAT, WE END UP IN
RUIN AND IN THIS CASE NATIONAL
00:55:28.99\00:55:32.93
RUIN. I GO OVER
ALL THE COUNTRIES,
00:55:32.93\00:55:34.93
NUMEROUS COUNTRIES, CAMBODIA,
WHETHER IT WAS RUSSIA, I GO DOWN
00:55:34.93\00:55:38.53
THE LINE, ROMANIA, COUNTRIES
I'VE BEEN TO AND COMMUNISM, WHEN
00:55:38.53\00:55:41.70
THEY THREW OUT GOD, THEY
ENDED UP IN NATIONAL RUIN.
00:55:41.70\00:55:44.27
AND SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN
YOU TRAMPLE ON SAME-SEX, ON THE
00:55:44.27\00:55:52.01
MARRIAGE, THE MARRIAGE
COMMANDMENT, GOD ONLY INSTITUTED
00:55:52.01\00:55:54.08
THREE THINGS AT CREATED
INSTITUTED THE SABBATH, AND
00:55:54.08\00:55:57.72
INSTITUTED MARRIAGE.
ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN.
00:55:57.72\00:56:00.26
AND ANY MARRIAGE OUTSIDE
THAT IS NOT A REAL UNION.
00:56:00.26\00:56:03.83
IT'S NOT BLESSED BY GOD.
SO WHEN WE AS A NATION MAKE IT
00:56:03.83\00:56:08.96
LAW OF THE LAND, WE
SLAP GOD IN THE FACE.
00:56:08.96\00:56:11.53
>> YES. >> SO WE'RE GOING DOWN.
00:56:11.53\00:56:13.30
IT'S A DOWNHILL SPIRAL AND IT'S
GETTING WORSE AND WORSE, AND
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