Participants: John Lomacang (Host), Eric Camarillo, Lo-Ammi Richardson
Series Code: TL
Program Code: TL017519A
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00:05 ♪ I WANT TO SPEND MY LIFE ♪ ♪ SPEND MY LIFE ♪
00:10 ♪ MENDING BROKEN PEOPLE ♪ ♪ I WANT TO SPEND MY LIFE ♪ 00:22 ♪ REMOVING PAIN ♪ ♪ LORD LET MY WORDS ♪ 00:32 ♪ HEAL UP HEARTS THAT HURT ♪ ♪ I WANT TO SPEND MY LIFE ♪ 00:42 ♪ MENDING BROKEN PEOPLE ♪ ♪ I WANT TO SPEND MY LIFE, 00:56 MENDING BROKEN PEOPLE ♪ >>> HELLO, FRIENDS, AND WELCOME 01:17 TO THURSDAY NIGHT LIVE. 3ABN HAS STUDIOS IN TWO 01:22 LOCALITIES WHICH IS JUST AN INCH AWAY FROM EACH OTHER ON THE 01:26 COUNTY LINE OR THE CITY LINE. BUT THANK YOU FOR TUNING IN. 01:29 MY NAME IS JOHN LOMACANG. IF YOU ARE TUNING IN FOR THE 01:32 FIRST TIME, THIS IS THE NETWORK THAT WE BELIEVE THE LORD WANTS 01:38 YOU TO LISTEN TO TONIGHT, SO DON'T CHANGE THE CHANNEL. 01:42 WE HAVE A PROGRAM THAT IS GOING TO INSPIRE YOU AND IGNITE YOU. 01:47 TONIGHT WE BELIEVE THE LORD IS GOING TO SPAK TO YOUR HEART IN 01:51 A MARVELOUS WAY. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE 01:55 STAYED WITH US THROUGH THE YEARS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR 01:58 PRAYERS AND FOR YOUR FINANCIAL SUPPORT. 02:01 THAT KEEPS US GOING AND GROWING, AS WE PREPARE FOR THE 02:05 SOON-COMING OF OUR SAVIOR, AND WHAT A DAY TO BE LIVING IN BOTH -POLITICALLY, SPIRITUAL, THERE 02:16 ARE CHALLENGES EVERYWHERE, BUT AS DANNY SHELTON SAYS, IF WE 02:21 CONTINUE TO PREACH THE UNDILUTED THREE ANGELS MESSAGE, WE KNOW WE 02:32 WILL BE BLESSED. YOU CAN WRITE US AND ASK 02:36 QUESTIONS, BUT TONIGHT IS ALL THE WAY LIVE. 02:38 AND WE HAVE TWO YOUNG MEN THAT ARE ON FIRE FOR THE LORD. 02:42 I'LL INTRODUCE THEM TO YOU IN JUST A FEW MOMENTS. 02:46 BEFORE WE GO TO OUR MUSIC, THOUGH, I WANT TO BEGIN BY 02:50 DISPELLING SOME RUMORS THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE INTERNET. 02:53 MANY OF YOU HAVE HEARD THINGS ON THE INTERNET ABOUT 3ABN IN 03:01 RUSSIA. BECAUSE IT'S ON THE INTERNET 03:03 DOESN'T MEAN IT'S TRUE. BECAUSE YOUR FRINDS TAG IT TO -YOU, DOESN'T MEAN IT IS VALID OR 03:10 SOMETHING THAT IS CERTAIN. AS YOU PROBABLY ARE AWARE -- YOU 03:13 HAVE HEARD -- PEOPLE SAID THERE IS TROUBLE AT 3ABN RUSSIA; THAT 03:17 IT HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN. I WANT TO SET THE RECORD 03:20 STRAIGHT TONIGHT, AND I CANNOT BELIEVE I'M GOING TO USE THIS 03:24 PHRASE. THAT'S FAKE NEWS. 03:28 [ LAUGHTER ] >> AND I THOUGHT LORD I'LL NEVER 03:31 USE THAT PHRASE, BUT I HAVE TO USE IT TONIGHT. 03:34 3ABN RUSSIA IS BEING BLESSED BY THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD. 03:38 THEY ARE IN A WONDERFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE 03:40 GOVERNMENT. THE GOVERNMENT IS VERY 03:42 SUPPORTIVE. THE GOVERNMENT HAS MADE 03:45 INITIATIVES FOR 3ABN RUSSIA TO REACH OUTS TO IT COMMUNITY. 03:49 SO THERE IS NO IMMEDIATE DANGER OF 3ABN RUSSIA BEING SHUT DOWN, 03:54 AND SOME OF YOU HAVE HEARD -- AND I'LL SHARE A FEW 03:58 THINGS YEAR, JULIA WHO IS THE HEAD OF OUR 3ABN RUSSIA, HAS 04:03 MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THERE ARE SOME ISSUES IN RUSSIA WITH 04:06 CERTAIN OTHER DENOMINATIONS, BUT THANK THE LORD NOT WITH THE 04:11 SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH, AND SURELY NOT WITH OUR 3ABN 04:14 RUSSIA FACILITY. SO IF YOU HEARD THAT NEWS, DON'T 04:18 PASS IT ON. YOU CAN DELETE IT. 04:21 YOU CAN GO TO YOUR FACEBACK FRIENDS AND SAY IF YOU HEARD 04:25 ABOUT 3ABN RUSSIA IN A NEGATIVE WAY, IT IS NOT RELIABLE NEW. 04:30 IT IS NOT RELIABLE AT ALL. THERE ARE SOME NEWS NETWORKS 04:35 THAT KNOW HOW TO FIX THINGS UP AND MAKE IT LOOK LEGIT, BUT IT 04:39 IS NOT LEGIT. 3ABN IS ON 80 COUNTRIES ACROSS 04:44 THE FORMER SOVIET UNION AND CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD. 04:49 IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CARTER REPORT, WE'RE PLANNING TO DO A 04:53 SERIES IN RUSSIA, AND JOHN CARTER IS JOINING US, AND WE'RE 04:58 LOOKING FORWARD FOR THE LORD TO EXPAND THE HORIZON THERE. 05:02 THE DOORS ARE WIDE OPEN FOR THE SPREAD OF THE GOSPEL, AND GOD IS 05:07 HOLDING BACK THE WINDS, SO THAT THIS AD VENT MESSAGE CAN REACH 05:16 THE HEARTS AND LIVES OF OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN RUSSIA. 05:20 WE KNOW BECAUSE WE'RE LIVING IN THE LAST DAYS, BUT AS OF THIS 05:26 BROADCAST, 3ABN RUSSIA IS ALIVE AND WELL AND NOT IN ANY JEOPARDY 05:31 AT ALL WITH THE GOVERNMENT AND THE DOORS ARE WIDE OPEN, AND 05:34 THEY ARE DOING PROGRAMS EVERY DPA -- DAY, AND THEY ARE SEE 05:42 ALL THROUGHOUT RUSSIA, SO IF YOU HEARD THAT, YOU CAN TAKE A 05:46 BREATH AND REST ASSURE THAT THAT IS NOT RELIABLE NEWS. 05:49 IF YOU WANT TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT IT, YOU CAN GO TO OUR 3ABN 05:55 WEBSITE, 3ABN.TV, AND THERE IS AN UPDATE FROM JULIA ON OUR 06:03 PAT PATIENT WEBSITE. 06:06 IF YOU READ THAT EMAIL, YOU CAN SEND THE MESSAGE TO YOUR FRIENDS 06:13 THAT IT IS NOT VALID. BEFORE WE INTRODUCE OUR GUESTS 06:17 WE HAVE MUSIC. AND I'M ALL SO IMPRESSED WITH 06:24 THIS YOUNG MAN. AND HE IS GOING TO BLESS US WITH 06:27 A SONG ENTITLED "ALWAYS." 06:53 ♪ ALWAYS ♪ ALWAYS 06:58 ♪ I HAVE SENSED THE LORD BEFORE ME ♪ 07:07 ♪ ALWAYS ♪ ♪ ALWAYS ♪ 07:12 ♪ SO THAT I CANNOT BE MOVED ♪ ♪ ALWAYS ♪ 07:23 ♪ ALWAYS ♪ ♪ I ACCEPT THE LORD BEFORE ME ♪ 07:38 ♪ ALWAYS ♪ ♪ ALWAYS ♪ 07:46 ♪ SO THAT I CANNOT BE MOVED ♪ YOU HAVE SHOWN ME THE WAY TO 07:58 LIGHT ♪ ♪ IN YOUR PRESENCE IT'S A JOY ♪ 08:07 ♪ THERE ARE PLEASURES FOREVER MORE ♪ 08:17 ♪ ALWAYS ♪ ♪ ALWAYS ♪ 08:24 ♪ I ACCEPT THE LORD BEFORE ♪ ♪ ALWAYS ♪ 08:41 ♪ ALWAYS ♪ ♪ I ACCEPT THE LORD BEFORE ME, 08:46 SO I CANNOT BE MOVED ♪ ♪ THERE'S ONE THING THAT I KNOW 08:50 OF, I MAY DWELL IN THE HOUSE OF THE LORD ♪ 08:57 ♪ AND RESIDE IN HIS TEMPLE FOREVER, EVER MORE ♪ 09:08 ♪ ALWAYS ♪ ♪ ALWAYS ♪ 09:18 ♪ I ACCEPT THE LORD BEFORE ME ♪ ♪ ALWAYS ♪ 09:29 ♪ ALWAYS ♪ ♪ SO THAT I CANNOT BE MOVED ♪ 09:40 ♪ OH ALWAYS ♪ ♪ ALWAYS ♪ 09:49 ♪ I ACCEPT THE LORD BEFORE ME ♪ ♪ ALWAYS ♪ 09:59 ♪ ALWAYS ♪ ♪ SO THAT I CANNOT, SO THAT I 10:10 CANNOT ♪ ♪ SO THAT I CANNOT BE MOVED, 10:22 LORD ♪ ♪ OH I SHALL NOT ♪ 10:24 ♪ YES, I SHALL NOT ♪ ♪ LORD, I SHALL NOT ♪ 10:34 ♪ BE MOVED ♪ >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. 11:10 THANK YOU FOR INSPIRING US. I'M ACTUALLY ON A PROJECT NOW, 11:15 AND HE WRITES A LOT OF WONDERFUL ORIGINAL SONGS, AND I'M IN THE 11:19 PROCESS OF RECORDING TWO OF THOSE, NOT ON A PROJECT OF MINE, 11:23 BUT THIS YOUNG MAN IS INSPIRED, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TALK 11:28 ABOUT THE LOVE OF THE LORD, WHICH IS ALWAYS THE CONSTANT 11:31 BLESSINGS OF GOD. LET'S MEET OUR GUESTS TONIGHT. 11:34 I COULD SUMMARIZE THIS PROGRAM BY SAYING WE'RE GOING TO TALK 11:40 ABOUT SALT. NOT SEASONED SALT, COOKING SALT, 11:43 BUT CHRISTIAN SALT. WE HAVE TWO YOUNG MEN, ERIC 11:47 CAMARILLO. GOOD TO MEET YOU. 11:49 AND LO-AMMI RICHARDSON. GOOD TO HAVE YOU BOTH HERE. 11:51 >> GOOD TO BE HERE. >> THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME ON 11:58 3ABN LIVE. >> UH-HUH. 12:00 >> BUT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE DAY, AND 12:04 I'M GLAD THAT YOU GUYS ARE NOT SALT THAT HAS LOST ITS SAVOR. 12:12 >> AMEN. >> I'LL START WITH YOU, ERIC, 12:15 JUST IN A NUTSHELL, WHO YOU ARE, WHERE YOU ARE FROM, AND WHAT YOU 12:19 DO RIGHT NOW, AND I'LL COME BACK TO YOU TO GIVE YOU SOME ROOM TO 12:24 GIVE US YOUR BACKGROUND. >> YEAH, YEAH. 12:27 SO A LITTLE ABOUT MYSELF. MY NAME IS ERIC. 12:30 I WAS RAISED IN CHICAGO. I WAS BORN IN CHICAGO, RAISED 12:33 THERE, MOVED TO FLORIDA, IN ORLANDO NOW. 12:37 >> WHY WOULD YOU MOVE TO FLORIDA FROM CHICAGO IN 12:39 >> IT'S A FUNNY STORY, BUT I WAS HELD AT GUNPOINT IN CHICAGO, MY 12:46 MOM FOUND OUT, AND SHE IS LIKE WE GOT TO GET OUT OF HERE. 12:49 >> GOOD REASON. >> YEAH. 12:52 YEAH. RIGHT NOW I'M IN SCHOOL, GETTING 12:55 MY MASTERS IN NON-PROFIT MANAGEMENT. 13:04 YEAH, THE MINISTRY IS -- IS -- IS MY MAIN FOCUS. 13:08 >> WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE. 13:11 >> YEAH. YEAH. 13:14 >> WOW. >> LO-AMMI. 13:16 >> YES. >> A BIBLE NAME FROM THE BOOK OF 13:20 ISAIAH. >> YES. 13:21 >> TELL US ABOUT YOURSELF. >> I WAS BORN A SEVENTH-DAY 13:26 ADVENTISTS, GREW UP IN ORLANDO THE MAJORITY OF MY LIFE, AND 13:30 JUST BECAUSE YOU GROW UP IN THE CHURCH, DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE A 13:34 RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. SO WHEN I DRIFTED AWAY, TRYING 13:39 TO FILL THE VOID I WANTED TO FILL SO DESPERATE WITH THE 13:44 THINGS OF THE WORLD, EVENTUALLY I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM MY 13:50 SISTER THAT LEAD ME TO GYC AND MY CONVERSION PROCESS STARTED 13:55 SINCE THEN. 2010 I GAVE MY HEART TO GOD, AND 13:59 HAVE BEEN IN FULL-TIME EVANGELISM SINCE THEN. 14:02 >> PRAISE THE LORD. YOU ARE REALLY SHAKING THE SALT 14:06 SHAKER OF THE KINGDOM WHEREVER YOU GO. 14:10 >> RIGHT. >> TELL ME ABOUT THIS. 14:12 BECAUSE I'M LISTENING TO THE ONE THAT WAS RAISED OR BORN IN AN 14:17 ADD ADVENTIST FAMILY, BUT STILL NEEDED TO BE BORN AGAIN. 14:24 AND ERIC, WE'LL BEGIN WITH YOU. YOU TALKED ABOUT BEING BORN AND 14:28 RAISED IN CHICAGO. >> RIGHT. 14:30 >> ALL MAJOR CITIES HAVE THEIR CHALLENGES. 14:33 ORLANDO IS BECOMING ONE -- SORRY, IS ONE. 14:36 >> DEFINITELY IS ONE. YEAH. 14:39 >> IT'S BAD NOW. >> YEAH, I WAS RAISED CULTURALLY 14:43 A CATHOLIC. I DIDN'T REALLY PRACTICE 14:45 ANYTHING -- ANY OF THE BELIEFS THROUGH FAITH. 14:48 IT WAS JUST KIND OF A TRADITION ON BOTH SIDES OF MY FAMILY, VERY 14:53 DEEP, DEEP-ROOTED IN THE CATHOLIC FAITH. 14:57 AND SO I -- I WASN'T UNTIL I MOVED HERE. 15:01 I WAS ABOUT 22 YEARS OLD. JUST GOT OUT OF A RELATIONSHIP 15:05 THAT LEAD ME TO TRY TO FILL THIS EMPTY HOLE THAT WAS IN MY HEART. 15:10 AND I REMEMBER SEARCHING IN ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT WAYS, EVEN 15:14 VIDEO GAMES, GOING OUT WITH FRIENDS, ALL OF THESE 15:18 DIFFERENT -- DRINKING AND GETTING INTO OTHER THINGS, TO 15:21 TRY TO FILL THAT GAP. BUT IT WAS ONLY A TEMPORARY FIX. 15:27 SO ONE DAY I WOKE UP, AND WAS IN STILL THIS DEPRESSION MODE FROM 15:32 THAT RELATIONSHIP. I WOKE UP, AND SOMEONE BOUGHT ME 15:38 A BIBLE FOR CHRISTMAS. THIS WAS JAN 2010. 15:47 AND I OPENED THE BIBLE AND STARTED READING. 15:52 AND THE WORDS FOR THE SERMON OF THE MOUNT WERE IN RED.3 15:58 AND I STARTED TO FEEL A COMFORT I HAD NEVER FELT BEFORE. 16:02 AND I JUST KEPT READING. I KEPT READING. 16:05 MY PARENTS THOUGHT I WAS GOING CRAZY, BECAUSE THERE WERE TIMES 16:09 WHEN I WOULDN'T GO TO EAT AT THE TABLE. 16:12 MY MOM WOULD HAVE TO BRING ME FOOD. 16:15 OH, ADAM AND EVE, I HAVE HEARD THAT STORY, LET ME READ IT. 16:20 >> THE BREAD OF LIFE TASTED GOOD. 16:22 >> RIGHT. IT WAS REALLY INTENSE. 16:25 IT WAS AN EXPERIENCE FOR SURE. MY MOM ENDED UP MAKING ME SIT 16:30 DOWN WITH CATHOLIC PRIEST, AND IT WAS AFTER THAT MEETING THAT 16:36 IT WAS CONFIRMED TO ME BY GOD THAT I WAS GOING IN THE RIGHT 16:41 DIRECTION. AND -- AND I JUST -- I KEPT 16:44 STUDYING, I -- THERE WERE THREE GROUPS OF FRIENDS WHO WERE 16:48 CHRISTIAN, AND I ASKED THEM TO GIVE ME BIBLE STUDIES. 16:52 TWO OF THOSE GROUPS HAPPENED TO BE ADVENTIST GROUPS, AND THE 16:57 OTHER WAS NON-DENOMINATIONAL. I STUDIED THE TRADITIONAL 17:02 CHRISTIAN SCHOOL OF THOUGHT AND THE ADVENTIST SCHOOL OF THOUGHT, 17:05 AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, I MADE THE DECISION TO START 17:10 ATTENDING THE ADVENTIST CHURCH. BECAUSE THE WHOLE BIBLE WAS 17:15 TAKEN IN CONTEXT, AND IT JUST MADE MORE SENSE TO ME. 17:20 IT JUST FIT TOGETHER, AND YEAH, I WAS BAPTIZED IN MAY 2010 AT 17:25 THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH. 17:26 I GOOGLED A SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH THAT MY MOM 17:30 WOULD MOST LIKELY GO TO, AND SHE IS FILIPINO, SO I THOUGHT LET ME 17:35 GO HERE. I WALKED IN, AND TO THE FIRST 17:38 PERSON I SAW, I SAID I WANT TO BE BAPTIZED. 17:41 AND HE IS LIKE, OH, OKAY. HE CALLED THE PASTOR. 17:45 HE IS LIKE SOMEONE JUST CAME IN HERE AND WANTS TO BE BAPTIZED. 17:49 SO THAT WAS IN APRIL OF 2010 AND THEN IN MAY AFTER MY STUDY. 17:54 >> WOW, SO YOU WERE ON FIRE FOR THE LORD. 17:57 I WANT YOU TO TIP IN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT STORY ABOUT YOUR 18:02 MOTHER TAKING YOU TO THE CATHOLIC PRIEST. 18:06 WHAT WAS THAT LIKE? >> WELL, SO IT WAS -- IT WAS 18:12 NERVE-RACKING. YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO 18:15 DO. WE HAVE SEEN HIM. 18:17 WE HAVE GONE TO CHURCH AND SEEN THIS PRIEST UP THERE, AND HE IS 18:21 FILIPINO TOO, ACTUALLY, AND MY MOM FELT VERY COMFORTABLE WITH 18:26 HIM, SO I REMEMBER MY MOM TELLING ME, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO 18:29 SIT DOWN WITH HIM. I WENT AND STARTED TYPING. 18:32 I TYPED SEVEN PAGES OF NOTES. SEVEN PAGES OF NOTES I WANTED TO 18:38 COVER WITH THIS PRIEST, AND -- AND IN -- IN THOSE PAGES, 18:43 YOU KNOW, I WOULD GO TO SIT DOWN WITH HIM, AND I BRING UP THREE 18:48 TOPICS. ONE IS -- ONE I ASK ABOUT IS WHY 18:51 DO WE PRAY TO OTHER PEOPLE? ROMANS 323 SAYS [ INAUDIBLE ] 18:57 GLORY OF GOD. THE OTHER QUESTION WAS WHY DO I 19:02 NEED TO CONFESS MY SINS TO ANOTHER PERON.->> I WANT TO PAUSE A MOMENT HERE 19:12 AND JUST KIND OF -- AS YOU ARE LISTENING TO THIS STORY, I KNOW 19:16 THERE MAY BE SOME OF YOU THAT MAY BE IN THE SAME PLACE THAT 19:20 ERIC WAS, ON THE JOURNEY TO FINING WHERE GOD WANTS YOU TO 19:24 FIT. AND THIS IS -- SOMETIMES IT CAN 19:27 BE STARTLING. SOMETIMES IT CAN BE CHALLENGING. 19:30 SOMETIMES IT COULD BE NERVE-RACKING, AND YOU WONDER IS 19:34 MY LIFE MOVING IN THE DIRECTION THAT GOD WANTS ME TO MOVE IN, 19:38 AND AS YOU LISTEN TO THE STORY UNFOLD, I KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO 19:42 BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF WITH HIM. 19:45 WHEN GOD SPEAKS THROUGH HIS WORD, HIS WORD IS ALWAYS 19:48 RELIABLE. AND I WANT TO COME BACK TO YOU, 19:51 ERIC -- WELL, LET ME GIVE L LO-AMMI A CHANCE TO CHIME IN. 20:00 BEING RAISED IN A CHRISTIAN ADVENTIST HOME, YOU ALSO 20:04 MENTIONED EARLIER, THE VOIDS. I WANT TO MENTION THAT BRIEFLY. 20:07 THERE ARE LOTS OF HOLES IN THE LIVES OF SO MANY PEOPLE, AND I 20:13 THINK ANOTHER DEFINITION FOR SIN IS AN ATTMPT TO FILL A VOID 20:17 THAT ONLY GOD CAN FILL, BUT TALK ABOUT THAT. 20:20 >> THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST EXPLANATION FOR ME. 20:22 I GREW UP IN THE CHURCH, GREW UP IN A GOOD CHRISTIAN HOME, MY 20:28 MOTHER WAS VERY INFLUENTIAL IN MY LIFE. 20:31 MADE SURE I STUDIED MY BIBLE AND HAD THE ANSWERS PREPARED FOR 20:37 SABBATH SCHOOL THE NEXT MORNING. BUT AS YOU GROW OLDER, CHURCH 20:42 BECOMES A PLACE WHERE YOU HANG OUT AND SOCIALIZE, AND ONCE YOU 20:47 GET OLD ENOUGH TO START MAKING YOUR OWN DECISIONS, CHURCH 20:50 DIDN'T BECOME A PART OF THAT PROCESS. 20:53 SO TRYING TO FIND MYSELF AND FINDING WHAT I COULD IDENTIFY 20:59 WITH, WAS FILLING ME UP. I WANTED TO PURSUE A CAREER IN 21:04 BASKETBALL, AND YOU HANG AROUND CERTAIN PEOPLE AND ARE 21:07 INFLUENCED BY THE MUSIC, CULTURE, ALL OF THOSE THINGS 21:11 THAT MOLDED AND SHAPED THE WAY I WAS ACTING. 21:18 AND THT LEAD ME ASTRAY FROM THE CHURCH TO THE POINT WHERE I WAS 21:23 DOING THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO DO, AND EVENTUALLY IT GOT TO THE 21:28 POINT WHERE I WAS PURSUING THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS, THE 21:32 CARS -- YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE MATERIAL THINGS, AND EVENTUALLY 21:35 THE LORD WAS STRIPPING THOSE THINGS AWAY, AND SO THE THINGS 21:39 THAT I FOUND JOY IN, THE THINGS THAT I FOUND MY IDENTITY IN, 21:44 ULTIMATELY WAS BEING STRIPPED AWAY, AND IT IS JUST LIKE ERIC 21:48 SAID, IT WAS A RELATIONSHIP THAT I GOT OUT OF, AND SHE WAS MY 21:52 PRIZED POSSESSION, AND WHEN SHE LEFT, IT WAS LIKE, WHAT IS THE 21:57 POINT OF LIVING? WHAT IS GOING TO ALLOW ME TO 22:00 CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD. >> SHE BECAME THE SCAFFOLD AND 22:05 YOU WERE ON LIKE THE 50TH FLOOR. >> YEAH. 22:10 I WAS NOT NECESSARILY SUICIDAL -- 22:12 >> BUT A BIG PART OF YOUR LIFE, WAS KIND OF WHAT HAPPENED? 22:16 >> ABSOLUTELY. SO THERE IS A POINT WHERE YOU 22:19 DRINK A LOT MORE, YOU TRY TO TRAIN A LOT MORE TO PLAY 22:23 BASKETBALL, AND THAT VOID BECOMES DEEPER AND DEEPER AND 22:26 BECOMES BIGGER AND BIGGER, AND MY MOTHER AND SISTER ALWAYS 22:32 PRAYED FOR ME, AND IT EVENTUALLY GOT TO A BREAKING POINT, WHERE 22:38 MY SISTER GAVE ME A CALL, AND TOLD ME ABOUT THIS CONFERENCE 22:43 GYC, AND I WAS LIKE, I WANT TO START THE YEAR OFF WITH GOD, AND 22:48 I ALWAYS SAY THAT BUT THEN I WAKE UP WITH A HANGOVER, BUT IF 22:54 I WOULD HAVE KNOWN IT WAS MY MOTHER THAT PAID FOR IT, I 22:58 WOULDN'T HAVE GONE. I DIFFERENT WANT TO DO ANYTHING 23:02 WITH RELIGION -- TO HAVE IT FORCED UPON ME, SO I MOVE 23:07 FORWARD, EVEN MY JOURNEY GOING TO GYC, I HAD ALL OF THESE 23:12 QUESTIONS BREWING IN MY MIND AND WAS DISCOURAGED BY A FRIEND, 23:17 BECOME DISCOURAGED ME TO GO, EVENTUALLY I WENT TO GYC AND 23:23 HEARD A SERMON BY MARK FINLEY, AND IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY QUESTION 23:28 I HAD HE ANSWERED IT AND WAS POINTING AT ME, AND THERE WAS A 23:32 POINT WHERE I WAS STRUGGLING WHETHER OR NOT I SHOULD GIVE MY 23:37 HEART TO GOD, AND MY PHONE WAS RINGING, HEY, WHERE ARE YOU? 23:46 AND I REMEMBER MY HEART BEING RIPPED APART, AND MY ONLY 23:51 NATURAL RESPONSE WAS TO CRY. AND THERE WERE THESE TWO 23:55 CARIBBEAN LADIES, AND I SAID I JUST WANT TO SEE MY SISTER. 23:59 AND THERE WAS A MASS GROUP OF PEOPLE WALKING. 24:02 I SAW MY SISTER, AND THEN THE GAP CLOSED AND I JUST REMEMBERED 24:05 ALL OF THE TIMES THAT SHE PRAYED FOR ME, THAT MY MOM PRAYED FOR 24:10 ME, AND AT THAT POINT I MADE A DECISION FOR CHRIST, AND 24:15 SEBASTIAN [ INAUDIBLE ] WAS A MAJOR INFLUENCE AS WELL. 24:17 I WISH I COULD SAY I WENT BACK ON FIRE FOR GOD, BUT I TRIED 24:21 TO -- NOW -- I PLACED GOD IN MY LIFE, BUT I TRIED TO STILL HOLD 24:26 ON TO THE THINGS OF THE WORLD, AND IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE 24:31 GOD WAS LIKE IT'S EITHER ALL OR NOTHING. 24:34 SO I SAID YOU HAVE TO SEND ME AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE, SO HE DID, 24:39 SO I ENDED UP BEING IN CALIFORNIA, AND IT WAS 24:43 DEFINITELY A JOURNEY, WHERE I DEFINITELY FELT GOD MOVING IN MY 24:47 LIFE AND PLACING ME WHERE I NEEDED TO BE. 24:50 >> WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THAT, AND PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, WHEN 24:53 THE LORD COMES INTO YOUR LIFE, YOU HAVE TO PREPARE FOR A ROD 24:58 CALL CHANGE. HE DOESN'T LET US GO OR BECOME 25:04 COMFORTABLE WHEN HIS VOICE IS -- WHEN HE EXTENDS HIS CALL, 25:09 HE CREATES A DISCOMFORT. I READ A DEVOTIONAL, WHERE IT 25:19 SAYS DON'T WAIT FOR GOD TO TAKE YOU OUT OF UNCOMFORTABLE 25:24 SITUATIONS, BECAUSE YOU ARE WHERE HE KNEW YOU WOULD BE, SO 25:27 HOLD ON TO THAT, I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO ERIC HERE, BECAUSE 25:34 YOU SURVIVED THE CATHOLIC PRIEST'S INTERVIEW, AND YOU SAID 25:38 THE LORD CONFIRMED IN THAT NIGHT OR THAT DAY THAT YOU WERE MOVING 25:42 IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, HOW DID THAT CONFIRMATION COME? 25:46 >> SO BASICALLY WHEN -- WHEN I HAD BROUGHT UP THE TOPIC OF, YOU 25:50 KNOW, WHY -- WHY DO WE PRAY TO OTHER SAINTS? 25:53 AND THEN ALSO WHY -- WHY DO WE NEED TO CONFESS OUR SINS. 25:58 I ALSO BROUGHT UP THE SABBATH, AND I MENTIONED WHY DI THE 26:02 EARLY CHURCH MOVE THE SABBATH FROM SATURDAY TO SUNDAY? 26:05 WHICH IS A FACT -- I MEAN YOU CAN LOOK IT UP ON LINE. 26:09 IT IS JUST A HISTORICAL FACT, AND HE MENTIONED THE SABBATH WAS 26:15 ALWAYS SUNDAY. AND I KNEW -- I'M LIKE, OKAY. 26:18 THAT'S -- THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE. [ LAUGHTER ] 26:21 >> AND YOU KNOW -- ANYWAY HE ENDED UP DESCRIBING MY 26:25 BIBLE -- OH, YOU HAVE A NEW KING JAMES THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT 26:32 BIBLE. AND I GAVE HIM THE BENEFIT OF 26:34 THE DOUBT, SO I COMPARED ALL OF THE VERSES, AND IT WAS THE SAME 26:41 THING. AND SO I WAS LIKE, GOD, I THINK 26:44 I'M GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 26:46 SO THAT'S WHEN I STARTED -- I WANTED TO LEARN MORE. 26:49 I CALLED THE PEOPLE UP TO GIVE ME BIBLE STUDIES, AND IT WENT 26:55 FROM THERE, YEAH. FROM THERE -- A YEAR LATER IS 26:59 ACTUALLY WHEN S.A.L.T., THE IDEA OF S.A.L.T. CAME. 27:02 AND -- AND THAT STARTED. >> WHEN S.A.L.T. GOT STARTED, 27:06 DID YOU START IT TOGETHER OR DID YOU START AND THEN GET LO-AMMI 27:11 LATER ON? >> LO-AMMI AND I MET, I WANT TO 27:14 SAY THREE YEARS AGO. >> GYC -- 27:17 >> GYC ORLANDO. AND S.A.L.T. HAS BEEN AROUND 27:21 FOR -- GOING ON SIX YEARS IN SEPTEMBER. 27:24 >> OKAY. BEFORE WE GET TO YOU BOTH 27:27 MEETING IN S.A.L.T., CONTINUE YOUR STORY, BECAUSE THE VOID, 27:30 THE LORD IS PULLING YOU, THE BATTLE IS GOING ON. 27:33 WHAT WAS THE DECIDING FACTOR? BECAUSE AS A YOUNG MAN RAISED IN 27:40 NEW YORK CITY, GANG FIGHTS, GUNS, ALL OF THAT STUFF, YOU GET 27:44 TO THE POINT WHERE YOU KNOW THE LORD IS CALLING YOU, BUT YOU 27:47 HAVE TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU SAY, THAT'S IT. 27:51 >> I WAS WORKING AS A PERSONAL TRAINER, AND TEACHING BOOT CAMP, 27:55 AND THINGS OF THAT SORT, AND IN THE CLASS YOU HAVE TO PLAY 28:01 CERTAIN TYPE OF MUSIC. SO I WAS KIND OF CONVICTED ON 28:05 SOME OF THE MUSIC I WAS LISTENING TO ALREADY. 28:07 SO I LET THOSE GO, AND HELD ON TO THE MORE POSITIVE ARTISTS. 28:13 BUT I WOULD HAVE MY DEVOTIONS IN THE MORNING, AND THEN GO TEACH 28:18 THIS CLASS, AND HAVE THIS SONG RINGING IN MY HEAD. 28:22 AND SO I HAD TO MAKE A DECISION, AND ULTIMATELY AS I'M STILL 28:26 GOING, I WON'T DRINK TO GET DRUNK. 28:29 I'LL JUST HAVE ONE BEER, I JUST -- EVERYTHING JUST SEEMED 28:36 DIFFERENT. YOU ARE DRINKING, BUT YOU ARE 28:38 NOT ENJOYING IT ANYMORE. IT WAS ALMOST AS IF GOD REMOVED 28:43 THE VEIL, AND YOU REALLY SEE -- >> HE OPENED YOUR EYES. 28:47 >> ABSOLUTELY. >> THE WHOLE WORLD VIEW CHANGES. 28:50 >> YEAH, THE WHOLE WORLD VIEW CHANGES, AND I REMEMBER I 28:53 WAS -- THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I SHARED THIS, BUT I WAS GOING TO 28:56 A BIBLE COLLEGE DURING THIS TIME. 28:59 AND FOR MY BIRTHDAY, MY FRIENDS INVITED ME, AND THEY WANTED TO 29:03 CELEBRATE WITH ME. AND I'M GOING TO A FOUR MONTH 29:08 EVANGELISTIC SCHOOL, AND I KNEW IT WAS THE DEVIL TRYING TO WOO 29:14 ME BACK, BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE A 29:18 SUCCESSFUL NIGHT WAS THERE. AND THERE WAS EVEN TEMPTATION OF 29:24 FORNICATION, AND IT NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE, AND I WAS LIKE, 29:27 I CAN'T. AND I HAD TO HAVE ONE OF THOSE 29:30 JOSEPH MOMENTS, WHERE I'M LIKE I CAN'T KEEP HOLDING ON TO THE 29:37 LITTLE THINGS AND STILL HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU. 29:41 IT WAS AT THAT POINT, THAT I REALIZED I HAVE TO BE FULL ON 29:45 TOWARDS GOD, SO THAT WAS KIND OF MY WAKING UP MOMENT, WHERE YOU 29:50 KIND OF SEE EVERYTHING FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH. 29:52 YOU ARE PUT IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU ARE READY TO THROW AWAY 29:56 EVERYTHING YOU JUST EXPERIENCED FOR A MOMENT OF PLEASURE, AND I 29:59 WAS LIKE, NO, I DIDN'T DO IT. SO THAT'S WHEN I MADE THE FINAL 30:03 DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD. >> HOW LONG AFTER THAT DID YOU 30:06 GET BAPTIZED? >> YEAH, I WAS WRESTLING WITH 30:09 THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE I ALWAYS BELIEVED IN THE DOCTRINES OF THE 30:14 SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH, SO I WRESTLED WITH WHETHER OR NOT I-SHOULD BE BAPTIZED. 30:18 BUT IT WAS 2010 AFTER I GRADUATED FROM LIFE, THE 30:23 EVANGELISTIC SCHOOL DOWN IN FLORIDA THAT I MADE THE DECISION 30:25 TO BE BAPTIZED. AT THAT POINT I WAS LIKE, YOU 30:28 KNOW, IF I'M GOING TO GO ON THIS JOURNEY, I NEED TO MAKE A 30:33 RADICAL COMMITMENT, SO I -- I DECIDED TO GET BAPTIZED. 30:37 >> CLEAN SLATE. >> CLEAN SLATE. 30:39 >> WOW. SO THE LORD HAD -- YOU BOTH 30:42 HADN'T MET YET, BUT THE LORD WAS PREPARING FOR A RADICAL -- NOT 30:46 ONLY A RADICAL CHANGE IN YOUR LIFE, BUT A RADICAL DIRECTION. 30:54 OSWALD CHAMBER TALKS ABOUT THE REVERSIBLE PAST, THOR REVISABLE 31:04 FUTURE. HOW DID THE IDEA OF S.A.L.T. 31:07 COME TO YOU? YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU READ THE 31:13 SERMON ON THE MOUNT. >> YEAH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT 31:19 STOOD OUT TO ME, DO NOT PRAY IN VEIN REPETITION, THAT STOOD OUT 31:25 TO ME. BUT AS I -- YOU KNOW, I 31:29 BASICALLY HAD -- QUIT MY JOB FOR THE SABBATH I WAS MAKING 31:33 LIKE -- CLOSE TO 50 WITH COMMISSION, 22-YEAR-OLD KID, YOU 31:37 KNOW, NO COLLEGE EDUCATION, I'M LIKE, WEARING THE SUIT GOING TO 31:41 MY DESK EVERY DAY OR WHATEVER. I FELT LIKE I HAD REACHED A 31:45 CERTAIN POINT I WAS HAPPY ABOUT, BUT THEY STARTED TO MAKE ME WORK 31:49 ON THE SABBATH AND THAT WAS A HUGE BATTLE FOR ME, AND IN 31:53 FEBRUARY OF -- OF 2011 IS WHEN I DECIDED TO QUIT, AND WITH $500 31:59 IN MY SAVINGS ACCOUNT, I WAS ALREADY ON MY OWN. 32:02 I GREW SO MUCH IN THE SIX-MONTH PERIOD, BUT IT WAS THEN, THAT I 32:07 WAS LIKE, OKAY, GOD, I TRY TO APPLY TO OTHER PLACES IN THE 32:15 SAME FIELD, AND NO ONE WOULD GIVE ME THE SABBATH OFF. 32:20 WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO? SOMETHING HAPPENED AS WE WERE 32:25 DOING OUTREACH DOWNTOWN, AND IT HAPPENED TO BE WITH A HOMELESS 32:30 WOMAN. AND SHE BASICALLY PROPHETIZED 32:35 OVER ME AND SOME FRIENDS, CONFIRMING A PRAYER THAT WE 32:42 PRAYED PRIOR. AND SHE CONFIRMED THE SAME WORDS 32:45 THAT WE PRAYED SIX HOURS PRIOR BACK TO US. 32:48 AND ONE OF THEM WAS, GOD, I THINK YOU ARE CALLING ME TO BE A 32:52 PASTOR OF SOME SORT. AND SO THEN I WAS LIKE, GOD, I 32:57 HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL. SO I'M LIKE OKAY, TO BE A 33:01 PASTOR, I HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL, RIGHT? 33:03 AND I START THINKING IN THE FUTURE, WHEN I GET THIS DEGREE, 33:08 I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO REACH SO MANY PEOPLE, AND I'M THINKING 33:11 ABOUT THE FUTURE. BUT AS I WAS STUDYING JOHN 33:17 CHAPTER 4, THE WOMAN AT THE WELL, THE DISCIPLES DIDN'T BRING 33:26 ANY PEOPLE FROM THE CITY BACK TO CHRIST. 33:29 AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE THEY HAD THEIR EYES FIXED ON A FUTURE 33:34 TIME. WHEN THAT TIME COMES WE'RE GOING 33:36 TO DO SO MANY GREAT THINGS FOR GOD. 33:38 SO I STARTED ASKING MYSELF WHAT CAN I DO NOW? 33:41 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> SO I STARTED TO LOOK AT WAYS 33:45 TO SUPPORT THE CHURCH. WHAT CAN I DO TO REALLY HELP 33:50 SUPPORT OUR LOCAL CHURCHES, AND THAT'S WHEN THE IDEA FOR 33:54 S.A.L.T. CAME. AND WE CAME TOGETHER. 33:56 WE PRAYED FOR A NAME AND S.A.L.T., THE ACRONYM WAS 34:00 SERVICE AND LOVE TOGETHER. >> SERVICE AND LOVE TOGETHER. 34:02 >> YEP. >> I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ON WHAT 34:05 YOU JUST SAID, A LOT OF PEOPLE LISTENING AND WATCHING, 34:08 SOMETIMES WE ARE KNOCKING ON DOORS THAT GOD HAS LOCKED. 34:13 AND WE GET FRUSTRATED, BECAUSE WE SAY, WELL, WHY COULDN'T I 34:18 FIND A JOB THAT WILL GIVE ME THE SABBATH OFF IN THE SAME FIELD, 34:22 AND HAVING SOME OF THE SIMILAR -- THIS IS WHAT I MIGHT 34:27 REFER TO AS A VICARIOUS MOMENT, BECAUSE I'M HEARING MY LIFE ALL 34:33 OVER AGAIN. INSURANCE COMPANY SAYS IT'S TIME 34:37 TO WORK ON THE SABBATH. >> I WAS IN FINANCE TOO. 34:40 >> I SAID YOU CAN SCHEDULE ME, BUT I'M NOT SHOWING UP. 34:44 SCHEDULED ME, I DIDN'T SHOW UP. AND THEY SAID YOU HAVE ONE MORE 34:49 CHANCE. AND THEY SCHEDULED ME AGAIN AND 34:52 I GOT FIRED. SO I LOST TWO JOBS FOR NOT 34:55 WORKING ON THE SABBATH, BUT WHEN THE LORD CLOSES A DOOR, DON'T 34:59 TRY TO KICK IT DOWN, BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT OPENING, HE DOESN'T 35:03 WANT YOU TO WALK THROUGH IT. HE HAS OTHER PLANS. 35:07 AND ISN'T IT WONDERFUL TO KNOW HE HAS A PLAN FOR US. 35:10 HE SAYS I KNOW THE THOUGHTS AND PLANS I HAVE FO YOU. 35:15 SO S.A.L.T. IS WHAT THE LORD LEAD YOU TO. 35:19 AND WHEN THE S.A.L.T. GOT STARTED -- YOU GUYS DIDN'T MEET 35:22 YET? >> UH-HUH. 35:23 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> IN THE MEANTIME WHAT JOURNEY 35:26 WAS YOUR LIFE TAKING IN THE THREE YEARS THAT S.A.L.T. WAS 35:30 GOING BEFORE YOU GET ERIC. >> YEAH, AFTER I GRADUATED FROM 35:34 THE BIBLE COLLEGE, I TOLD THE LORD THERE'S NO WAY I CAN 35:40 CONTINUE MY GROWTH AND RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU IF I STAY 35:45 IN ORLANDO, I KNOW TOO MANY PEOPLE, SO THE LORD OPENED UP 35:49 THE DOOR FOR ME TO GO TO CALIFORNIA. 35:52 I WORKED FO ISIU FOR JESUS DURING THAT TIME. 35:56 AND IT WAS INTERESTING THAT THE LORD -- ALL OF THE FRIENDS THAT 36:00 I HAD TO LET GO OF, THE LORD REPLACED IT WITH A NEW SET OF 36:04 FRIENDS THAT WAS ABLE TO ENCOURAGE ME, AND WE WERE ABLE 36:08 TO SHARPEN EACH OTHER -- WITH THE WORD OF GOD. 36:10 AND THEN I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL TO WORK AS A BIBLE WORKER, SLASH 36:17 CHAPLAIN AND BIBLE TEACHER AT HERITAGE ACADEMY IN TENNESSEE 36:22 WHERE I MET THE CASPER LATER DOWN THE ROAD THAT YOU ARE 36:25 FAMILIAR WITH. >> YES. 36:27 >> I'M THERE FOR A FEW YEARS, THE LORD IS WORKING, BUT I 36:31 ALWAYS WENT BACK TO ORLANDO AND VISITED DURING THE SUMMER, SO 36:35 ERIC AND I ALWAYS MET EACH OTHER -- 36:37 >> CASUALLY. >> CASUALLY, BUT NOTHING THAT I 36:41 FELT COMPELLED TO STAY IN ORLANDO. 36:44 SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS AT. I WAS WORKING AS A CHAPLAIN IN 36:50 TENNESSEE DURING THAT TIME THAT S.A.L.T. WAS BEING ESTABLISHED. 36:53 >> SO WITH ALL OF THIS MONEY IN THE BANK, AND ALL OF THE 36:57 RESOURCES YOU NEEDED TO GET S.A.L.T. STARTED, TELL US WHEN 37:01 THE LORD MADE IT REALLY CLEAR TO YOU, THIS IS WHAT I WANT YOU TO 37:04 DO? YOU TALKED ABOUT SEEING A NEED. 37:07 TALK ABOUT THAT. >> YEAH, SO -- YOU KNOW, AND LET 37:10 ME MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS, YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF 37:14 PEOPLE -- AND WE'RE SEEING THIS A LOT IN ORLANDO, SPECIALLY, 37:18 THEY SEE ISSUES WITH THE CHURCH. THEY SEE THIS IS GOING ON WITH 37:22 THE CHURCH. THIS IS GOING ON WITH THE 37:24 CHURCH. WE JUST HEARD I'M NOT GIVING MY 37:30 TITHE TO THE CHURCH. AND SO AT THEN OF THE DAY, WHAT 37:33 ARE WE DOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE? 37:36 IF WE ARE GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE CHURCH, WHAT ARE WE 37:40 DOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO MAKE IT BETTER? 37:42 >> RIGHT. >> TO IMPROVE IT. 37:44 SO AS I WAS NOTICING SOME THINGS, ONE THING IN PARTICULAR, 37:48 I NOTICED THAT I HAD LEARNED THERE WERE TWO CONFERENCES IN 37:54 ORLANDO. FLORIDA CONFERENCE AND 37:57 SOUTHEASTERN CONFERENCE. AND I NOTICED THAT SOUTHEASTERN 38:01 CONFERENCE HAD THEIR OWN REPRESENTS, FLORIDA CONFERENCE 38:05 HAD THEIR OWN EVENTS. BUT THERE WAS NOTHING TO BRING 38:09 THE PEOPLE TOGETHER. THAT WAS ONE. 38:11 SO THAT LACK OF UNITY. AND EVEN CHURCHES -- AND, YOU 38:14 KNOW, I WON'T SAY NAMES, BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHERE IT'S VERY 38:18 DIFFICULT FOR CHURCHES TO WORK TOGETHER BECAUSE -- MAYBE THEY 38:22 ARE AFRAID OF LOSING THEIR YOUNG ADULTS -- 38:26 >> TERRITORIAL. >> YEAH. 38:27 SO UNITY WAS A MAIN THING I WANTED TO ADDRESS. 38:31 ANOTHER THING WAS THE LACK OF PRACTICAL OUTREACH PROJECTS. 38:36 I DIDN'T SEE MUCH OF THAT. SO I WAS LIKE, OKAY, LET'S 38:41 CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO GET INVOLVED IN PRACTICAL 38:45 COMMUNITY OUTREACH. THE THIRD THING WAS IF THERE 38:48 WERE COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROJECTS, IT WASN'T CONSISTENT, 38:52 AND THERE WERE NO RELATIONSHIPS BEING BUILT. 38:55 WE NEED TO CREATE RELATIONSHIPS AND FRIENDSHIPS WITH THE PEOPLE 39:00 WE ARE REACHING, GENUINE FRIENDSHIPS, AND MEET THE NEEDS 39:04 OF THESE PEOPLE AS WELL TO REALLY SHOW WHO CHRIST IS. 39:08 >> NOT JUST THESE LARGE REPRESENTS. 39:12 PEOPLE WORK HARD FOR FOUR WEEKS AND THEN PEOPLE SAY, I'M GLAD 39:16 THAT IS OVER. AND THEN THEY GO BACK TO 39:20 COMATOSE. >> EXACTLY. 39:22 >> WHICH GOD NEVER INTENDED. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 39:24 >> SO S.A.L.T. IS DEVELOPING NOW, AND SO YOU ARE SEEING ALL 39:28 OF THESE THINGS, PEOPLE COMPLAINING ON ONE END, BUT 39:31 DOING NOTHING TO BETTER IT. TERRITORIALISM, PEOPLE HAVE 39:36 THEIR OWN CLICKS IN THE CHURCHES, BUT THERE IS A GREAT 39:39 NEED IN THE COMMUNITY, AND S.A.L.T., GOD IS STIRRING THE 39:44 POT IN YOUR LIFE. >> RIGHT. 39:45 RIGHT. AND ONE -- I THINK ANOTHER 39:47 IMPORTANT THING THAT WE SAW WAS A LACK OF YOUNG ADULTS IN THE 39:52 CHURCH, AND THAT'S CONSTANTLY SPOKEN ABOUT FROM ALL DIFFERENT 39:55 PLACES, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WAS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS A 40:00 CHURCH THAT HAS THREE YOUNG ADULTS, ANOTHER WITH FIVE, 40:05 ANOTHER WITH SEVEN, WHAT VENT IS BRINGING THEM ALL TOGETHER IN 40:09 ONE PLACE SO THEY CAN CREATE UNITY WITH EACH OTHER. 40:16 WHEN YOU GO TO OUR HOMELESS OUTREACH, THERE ARE TEN 40:24 DIFFERENT CHURCHES REPRESENTED, AT LEAST. 40:26 SO YOU CAN BRING YOUR FRIEND FROM WORK OR SCHOOL, AND THEY 40:29 CAN SEE A YOUNG ADULT COMMUNITY. WE HAVE A NETWORK OF SMALL 40:33 GROUPS AS WELL, AND THEY CAN SEE THE 20, 25 YOUNG ADULTS COMING 40:38 TOGETHER TO STUDY THE WORD TOGETHER, BUT WITHOUT 40:42 THAT -- YOU KNOW, S.A.L.T. IS A SUPPORTING MINISTRY OF THE 40:46 ADVENTIST CHURCH, SO WE'RE ABLE TO BRING PEOPLE FROM ALL 40:51 DIFFERENT CULTURES, CHURCHES TOGETHER IN ONE PLACE, NOT JUST 40:55 TO HANG OUT, AND NOT EVEN JUST TO WORSHIP, BUT TO DO OUTREACH 41:00 TOGETHER. >> SO YOU ARE A SUPPORTING 41:03 MINISTRY? >> YEAH. 41:04 >> THAT'S WONDERFUL TO MENTION. BECAUSE PEOPLE LISTEN TO THE 41:08 PROGRAM AND THINK INDEPENDENT MINISTRY THERE, INDEPENDENT 41:14 MINISTRY THERE. AND 3ABN IS ALSO A SUPPORTING 41:20 MINISTRY OF THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH. 41:27 AND YOU FUNCTION ALL THROUGH DONATIONS. 41:31 >> RIGHT. >> NOW AT WHAT POINT DID YOU 41:35 SAY, THIS NEEDS TO BE MY DEDICATION IN MY LIFE WORK AT 41:39 THIS POINT IN MY LIFE? >> YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT, I 41:45 REALIZED AS I GOT MORE AND MORE INVOLVED WITH THE MINISTRY, AND 41:49 AS MORE AND MORE THINGS KEPT HAPPENING, MY TALENTS THAT WERE 41:54 USED IN THE WORLD, THEY NEEDED TO COME OVER AND BE USED FOR 41:57 GOD. AND IF I DIDN'T USE THE FULL 42:00 POTENTIAL OF WHAT I HAVE TO OFFER FOR GOD FOR HIM THEN THE 42:05 ENEMY IS USING IT. THEN IT COULD BE -- YOU KNOW 42:07 WHAT I'M SAYING? SO I -- I HAD TO -- I HAVE TO 42:11 PUT MY ALL INTO THIS, NOT -- NOT -- NOT FOR MYSELF, 42:15 BUT IT'S FOR GOD AND FOR HIS GLORY, IN ORDER -- THE PASSION 42:21 FOR WINNING SOULS ULTIMATELY, IS THE REASON WHY I WANT TO PUT MY 42:26 ALL INTO IT. BECAUSE THIS METHOD OF 42:30 EVANGELISM, I'M SO PASSIONATE ABOUT IN SPREADING THAT IT'S 42:33 ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS. IT'S ABOUT MEETING THEIR NEEDS, 42:36 WINNING THEIR CONFIDENCE, AND THEN BIDDING THM TO FOLLOW 42:40 CHRIST. SO MANY EVANGELISTIC EFFORTS ARE 42:43 OUT THERE WITHOUT CREATING THAT FRIENDSHIP, YOU KNOW? 42:46 >> UH-HUH. >> AND WE NEED TO -- WE NEED TO 42:50 CHANGE. >> OKAY. 42:51 LET ME BRING -- I'M GOING TO BRING LO-AMMI IN HERE IN JUST A 42:56 MOMENT. YOU MENTIONED THE WORD, WHY. 42:58 AND YOU ANSWERED IT, THE PASSION FOR SOULS. 43:02 IF YOU DON'T ANSWER THE WHY YOU DO WHAT YOU DO. 43:08 YOU JUST BECOME A WHAT YOU DO, BUT NOT WHY YOU DO IT. 43:13 AND THIS IS ALMOST -- IN BUSINESSES, FAITH COMMUNITIES. 43:17 PEOPLE SAY WHAT DO YOU DO? THEY DON'T SAY WHY DO YOU DO IT? 43:22 WHAT DO YOU DO FOR A LIVING? WE DON'T SAY WHY DO YOU DO THAT? 43:26 WHEN YOU BEGIN WITH THE WHY, YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH AN ANSWER? 43:31 WHY AM I A CHRISTIAN, WHEN YOU BEGIN WITH WHY, THEN YOU CAN GO 43:36 BACK TO THIS IS WHY, AND THIS IS HOW I BECAME A CHRISTIAN. 43:41 IT ISN'T WHAT I BELIEVE, IT'S BECAUSE OF WHAT I DO WHAT I DO. 43:46 AND THAT WAS WONDERFUL. AND I WAS LOOKING FOR THAT. 43:48 I WAS THINKING IS ERIC GOING TO SAY WHY DOES HE DO WHAT HE DOES. 43:54 THE PASSION FOR SOULS. THE PASSION FOR RELATIONSHIPS 43:58 THAT WILL LAST. >> RIGHT. 44:00 >> SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY, THE LORD SAID HEY, I HAVE BEEN 44:06 WORKING ON LO-AMMI, NOW GUYS NEED TO MEET. 44:09 HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? >> WELL, IT WAS INTERESTING, THE 44:13 MAJORITY OF FRIENDS WE HAVE WITHIN MINISTRY, THE CONVERSION 44:17 STARTED TO TAKE PLACE ABOUT 2009, 2010. 44:22 EVERY SINGLE PERSON WE TALK TO, THEIR CONVERSION WAS AROUND THAT 44:27 TIME FRAME. BUT AT THIS POINT, I WAS LACK IN 44:30 ORLANDO, AND I WAS WORKING WITH -- FOR GYC EVANGELISM, I 44:37 WAS IN CHARGE OF SERVICE PROJECTS. 44:39 GYC WAS GOING TO -- WAS GOING TO START DOING SERVICE PROJECTS 44:44 FEEDING THE HOMELESS AND DOING -- WHAT I SAY A 58 MODEL 44:50 OF EVANGELISM, AND ERIC WAS THERE REPRESENTING S.A.L.T. AT 44:54 ONE OF THE LOCAL CHURCHES, SO HE WAS THERE, AND I WAS THERE 44:58 REPRESENTING GYC, AND WE KIND OF HIT IT OFF, AND THEN WE WENT TO 45:05 TACO BELL AFTER THE AY AND WE HIT IT OFF, AND WE ALWAYS TALKED 45:09 ABOUT WORKING TOGETHER, BUT IT NEVER WORKED OUT THE WAY WE 45:14 WANTED IT TO UNTIL LAST YEAR. AND IT WAS PERFECT FIT, PERFECT 45:18 TIMING FOR US TO COLLABORATE, AND WORK TOGETHER. 45:28 >> WHEN DID YOU SAY THIS IS SOMETHING I CAN COMMITMENT TO? 45:31 >> YEAH, I HAVE HAD THE -OPPORTUNITY TO WORK AS A CHAPLAIN AND BIBLE WORKER 45:37 THROUGHOUT MY LIFE, I INTERNED WITH REVELATION OF HOPE, AND SAW 45:40 THE IMPACT THAT HE HAD -- JUST THE SERIES -- THE IMPACT THE 45:45 SERIES HAD IN HAWAII, SO I JUST FINISHED UP MY STINT IN MICHIGAN 45:51 AS A CAP CHAPLAIN AT GREAT LAKES ACADEMY. 45:56 AND THE LORD SAID GO BACK HOME. AND I WAS LIKE, MAN, IT HAS BEEN 46:02 SIX YEARS SINCE I HAVE BEEN HOME. 46:05 AND THEN I TALKED TO ERIC, AND I WAS LIKE, ERIC, MY PASSION IS 46:12 EVANGELISM, GOD HAS GIVEN ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, BUT THERE 46:17 WAS NOHING TO CONNECT WITH PEOPLE TOO. 46:19 IT WAS LIKE I WAS A ONE-MAN SHOW, AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO 46:24 REPRESENT SOMETHING THAT IS GREATER AND BIGGER THAN ME. 46:26 SO WHEN I TALKED TO ERIC, ERIC IS LIKE, MAN, THE ONE THING 46:31 WE'RE DOING IS ALL OF THIS SERVICE, BUT WE'RE NOT PLUGGING 46:38 INTO ANYTHING SO WE CAN HARVEST THEM INTO THE KINGDOM. 46:43 SO I'M A HARVEST DIRECTOR. >> SO DO YOU WORK IN THE 46:49 SPRING -- >> ALL YEAR-ROUND. 46:52 [ LAUGHTER ] >> SO THE PLAN WAS TO -- ALL OF 46:55 THE MINISTRIES WE HAVE, FROM OUR HOMELESS HOSPITAL MINISTRY TO 47:00 OUR KIDS MINISTRY, WAS LEADING TO ONE EVENT WHERE WE COULD 47:07 CONTACT THEM TO THEIR LOCAL CHURCHES, SO WE CAN BE AN ASSET 47:10 TO THE CHURCHES, AND SEE THE KINGDOM GROW FROM THERE. 47:16 >> THAT'S INTERESTING. BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMS WE LIGHT 47:18 THE FLAME. WE GET PEOPLE EXCITED ABOUT 47:21 SOMETHING, BUT IT'S LIKE A LONG RACE AND THERE IS NO FINISH 47:26 LINE. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE 47:30 PERPETUAL BIBLE STUDIERS. BUT THEY NEVER GOT HARVESTED. 47:36 SO S.A.L.T. IS ABOUT PLANTING SEEDS AND WONDERFUL PROGRAMS, 47:39 BUT YOU ALWAYS HAVE A GOAL IN MIND. 47:42 >> EXACTLY. >> GOD -- YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE 47:45 SAYS ONE PLANTS -- PAUL [ INAUDIBLE ] BUT GOD GAVE THE 47:50 INCREASE. >> UH-HUH. 47:51 >> SO THE TIMING OF THE INCREASE FOR THE HARVEST IS IN GOD'S 47:55 DIRECTION, BUT YOU MUST DO WHAT GOD HAS CALLED YOU TO DO, TO 47:59 PLANT AND WATER. SO TALK ABOUT HOW YOU DO THAT 48:01 TOGETHER. BECAUSE YOU WENT BACK HOME -- I 48:04 WAS SMILING EARLIER IN THE PROGRAM FOR A PARTICULAR REASON, 48:08 BECAUSE YOU SAID THE LORD HAD TO TAKE YOU AWAY TO GET YOU GOING. 48:12 AND YOU WERE IN ORLANDO, AND HE TOOK YOU WHERE? 48:15 >> RIGHT, TO CALIFORNIA. [ LAUGHTER ] 48:18 >> VERY RARELY DO I MENTION SOMETHING ABOUT MYSELF BECAUSE 48:23 IT IS ABOUT THE GUEST, BUT THERE ARE SO MANY PARALLELS 48:27 THAT -- I'M USING AN OLD TERM -- THAT ARE FLIPPING ME 48:33 OUT. BECAUSE MY WIFE AND I LIVED IN 48:36 ORLANDO, AND THEY SAID LORD, WE WANT TO BE IN MINISTRY, BUT 48:41 ANYWHERE BUT CALIFORNIA. AND HE TOOK US THERE. 48:47 [ LAUGHTER ] >> HAVE YOU NOTICED, THOUGH, 48:49 THAT IT IS HARD TO GROW AROUND THE FAMILIAR PEOPLE. 48:52 >> IT'S TRUE. >> BECAUSE THEY REMEMBER WHO YOU 48:57 WERE, NOT WHO GOD WANTS YOU TO BECOME? 49:00 HOW WAS THAT? >> CALIFORNIA WAS A DIFFERENT 49:03 GROUP OF PEOPLE. I STILL HAVE PEOPLE THAT I 49:06 CONTACT WITH ON AT LEAST MONTHLY BASIS, BUT IT'S A VERY SECULAR 49:12 MIND SET, YOU KIND OF TRAIN TO -- WHEN YOU CONNECT WITH 49:16 PEOPLE, THEY ALREADY HAVE SOME BELIEF IN GOD, AND WHEN YOU 49:19 KNOCK ON THE DOOR, DO YOU BELIEVE IN GOD, NO? 49:24 YOU DON'T? AND THAT HAPPENS MORE AND MORE. 49:26 SO WHAT THE LORD WAS TEACHING ME IN CALIFORNIA IS HE WASN'T 49:31 NECESSARILY PREPARING ME TO EVANGELIZE THE SOULS IN THE 49:36 COMMUNITY, BUT THE SEE DYNAMICS OF THE CHURCH, YOU KNOW, THE 49:41 LABELS THAT WE SOMETIMES USE, AND IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE 49:46 I'M LIKE, LORD WHY AM I HERE? BECAUSE I WAS PASSIONATE AND I'M 49:52 TRYING TO TEACH IT, AND THERE'S PUSH BACK FROM EVERYWHERE I'M 49:58 TURNING, CONSERVATIVES, LIBERALS -- 50:00 >> EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. >> YEAH. 50:02 I JUST WANT TO SEE YOUNG PEOPLE GIVE THEIR HEARTS TO JESUS, AND 50:07 NOW YOU ARE TELLING MOVIE TO GO THROUGH THESE LOOPS. 50:10 IT WAS ALL OF THE POLITICS THAT I BELIEVE THE LORD PREPARED ME 50:16 TO DEAL WITH AS I MATURED. SO MY EXPERIENCE IN CALIFORNIA 50:22 WAS THE WILDERNESS EXPERIENCE AS MOSES HAD, AND THE LORD REFINED 50:27 ME, AND THE HE PREPARED ME TO BE A CHAPLAIN AT VARIOUS PLACES, 50:33 AND THEN HE LEAD ME BACK TO ORLANDO. 50:36 I'M MORE BETTER PREPARED TO DEAL WITH THE POLITICS THAN I DID 50:40 BEFORE. THAT'S WHAT THE LORD SHOWED ME 50:42 IN CALIFORNIA. THEY ARE VERY UNIQUE PEOPLE, 50:46 THEY ARE KIND OF LAX. >> YEAH, CALIFORNIA IS A 50:52 PERPETUAL -- FOR THE MOST PART CALIFORNIA IS A CONSTANT MOVING 50:56 ENVIRONMENT, STARBUCKS, MOVIE HERE, MALL THERE, AND THESE ARE 51:01 NOT BLANKET STATEMENTS BECAUSE WE LIVED IN CALIFORNIA FOR A 51:04 WHILE, BUT IT IS QUITE DIFFERENT FROM THE NORTHEAST AND THE 51:07 SOUTHEAST AND THE MIDWEST, EVERY PLACE HAS ITS OWN CULTURE, BUT 51:11 THE ONE THING THAT IS TRUE ABOUT EVERYWHERE YOU GO IS THERE ARE 51:16 PEOPLE THAT NEED TO BE REACHED FOR CHRIST. 51:19 >> ABSOLUTELY. >> SO THE LORD BRINGS YOU 51:23 TOGETHER, AND WHERE DOES HE TAKE YOU FROM THERE? 51:26 >> YEAH, AS HE MENTIONED THE HARVEST DEPARTMENT WAS CREATED. 51:31 WE HAD DONE AN EVANGELISTIC SERIES TWO YEARS PRIOR, WHICH WE 51:36 DID RIGHT NEXT TO THE SECTION 8 COMPLEX THAT WE HAD BEEN 51:40 MINISTERING TO THE KIDS AND FAMILIES THERE, AND THERE WERE 51:45 FIVE SOULS THAT WERE BAPTIZED FROM THAT SMALL SERIES THAT WE 51:51 DID. IT WAS A SMALL SERIES, BUT THERE 51:54 NEEDED TO BE A PARTICULAR PERSON, YOU KNOW, TO FIT THAT 51:57 ROLE. SO ANYWAY -- SO THEN WE TALKED 52:00 AND THAT ENDED UP HAPPENING -- THAT CONNECTION 52:02 HAPPENED, AND SO -- I MEAN FROM HERE, WE HAVE SERIES COMING UP 52:09 ON JUNE 30TH IS WHEN IT'S STARTING. 52:12 WE'RE WORKING ON RAISING THE REST OF THE FUNDS FOR THAT. 52:15 BUT WE'RE CREATING -- RIGHT NOW THE BIG PUSH THIS YEAR IS 52:19 CREATING PROGRAMS THAT -- THAT CAN BE MEASURED. 52:23 BECAUSE HAD WE SEEN SOULS COME TO CHRIST AS A RESULT FROM 52:26 OUR -- MAYBE THE LEADER'S PERSONAL MINISTRIES WITH THE 52:29 PEOPLE WE'RE INTERACTING WITH, OR THE VOLUNTEERS EVEN, YOU 52:33 KNOW, YES, WE HAVE. BUT IT HASN'T BEEN IN A 52:37 MEASURABLE WAY. >> RIGHT. 52:38 >> SO DOING SOMETHING LIKE AN EVANGELISTIC SERIES EVERY YEAR, 52:44 HELPS US MEASURE AS FAR AS THE SOUL-WINNING ASPECT GOES. 52:48 THE PROGRAM IS GOING TO HELP US MEASURE THE AMOUNT OF NEED THAT 52:53 WE'RE MEETING THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. 52:54 SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF CREATING A 52:58 HOMELESS -- MOBILOUT REACH CENTER THAT INVOLVES -- WE JUST 53:04 FINISHED FUND-RAISING FOR OUR CLOTHING TRAILER. 53:08 WE REALIZED THERE WAS A SERVICE GAP FOR A DRESS CLOTHING IN 53:12 DOWNTOWN. SO WE'RE LIKE, OKAY. 53:14 WE'LL BRING IT TO THEM, AND WE'LL ALSO HAVE OTHER CLOTHING 53:18 AND HYGIENE PRODUCTS IN THERE. THE SHOWER TRAILER -- WE JUST 53:24 HAD SOMEONE DONATE $17,500 AS A MATCHING GRANT. 53:27 >> WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE SECOND HOUR. 53:29 >> UH-HUH. >> BECAUSE THESE -- WHAT I LIKE 53:32 ABOUT THAT -- AND YOU GUYS ARE YOUNG -- YOU ARE IN YOUR 20S. 53:36 >> THANK YOU. [ LAUGHTER ] 53:37 >> WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TO PUBLISH YOUR AGE. 53:40 >> THAT'S WHY I SAID THANK YOU. >> BUT YOU ARE A YOUNG MAN. 53:43 I THINK YOU ARE IN YOUR 20S. >> I AM IN MY 20S. 53:47 >> WE WON'T PUBLISH -- I KNOW YOU'RE NOT 40. 53:53 SEE GOD CALLS YOUNG PEOPLE, AND -- THE WORLD HAS CREATED 53:59 SUCH AN ENVIRONMENT THAT IT IS DESIGNED TO JUST TAKE THE MIND 54:02 OF THE YOUNG AND PUT IT ON A CONVEYER BELT AND FILL IT WITH 54:08 NOTHINGNESS, AND WHEN THE CONVEYER BELT CLOSES OVER, THE 54:12 MIND JUST DROPS OFF INTO A MEANINGLESS WORLD. 54:16 YOU TALKED ABOUT THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. 54:19 AND PEOPLE BEING SPOILED -- THEY THINK I NEED TO BE HAPPY ALL OF 54:23 THE TIME, NOT REALIZING THAT JESUS SAID IF YOU DO THESE 54:26 THINGS -- YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE THE BLESSING 54:28 COMES -- HAPP ARE YOU IF YOU DO THESE THINGS. 54:33 >> RIGHT. >> AND SO TOGETHER -- IF YOU 54:37 WERE TO WALK ME THROUGH AND JUST KIND OF O FOR THE APPETITE OF 54:42 OUR AUDIENCE, WHEN YOU DECIDE -- LET ME ASK THE 54:46 QUESTION. WHICH ONE OF YOU IS THE -PREACHER? 54:48 >> THIS ONE. >> YOU ARE THE PREACHER? 54:51 >> I SENSED THAT. >> I PREACH PRETTY OFTEN AS 54:55 WELL. HE TRAVELS ALL OVER THE WORLD. 54:58 I'M JUST THE LOCAL PREACHER. HE IS THE INTERNATIONAL ONE. 55:02 >> OKAY. THE LORD OPENS THOSE DOORS, AND 55:05 HE PUT YOU TOGETHER, LEFT HAND, RIGHT HAND, BOTH OF YOU HAVE THE 55:09 GIFT THAT GOD HAS GIVEN TO YOU. YOU TALK ABOUT THE VISION. 55:13 GOD GIVES VISION TO BOTH OF YOU. YOU COULD BE A MOSES AND ERIN, 55:19 AND JOSHUA AND CALEB, BUT THE LORD SENDS US TWO BY TWO. 55:25 WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SEE CAN STILL BE STRENGTHENED IN 55:34 THE CHURCH? I KIND OF PULLED THAT ONE OUT OF 55:37 THE AIR. >> ONE THING THAT I SEE THAT CAN 55:41 BE STRENGTHENED. I KNOW MANY OTHER YOUNG ADULTS 55:44 FEEL THE SAME WAY AS ME, IS CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT IN YOUR 55:48 CHURCH THAT WELCOMES NEW PEOPLE. I'M TALKING PEOPLE THAT COME 55:52 RIGHT OFF OF THE STREET THAT CAN COME INTO THE CHURCH AND FEEL 55:56 WELCOMED AND COMFORTABLE BECAUSE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THERE ARE 56:02 MANY CHURCHES WHERE YOUNG ADULTS GO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE BRINGING 56:08 THEIR FRIENDS WHO DO NOT K KNOW -- CHRIST, WHO ARE NOT 56:19 ADVENTISTS. THEY ARE AFRAID SOMEONE WILL SAY 56:22 SOMETHING TO THAT PERSON, BECAUSE THEY'LL COME IN NOT 56:26 DRESSED -- WHATEVER. AND ONCE THAT HAPPENS THAT TIME, 56:30 THAT COULD BE THEIR ONLY -- YOU KNOW, THAT COULD SCARE THEM AWAY 56:33 FROM THE CHURCH. >> WHICH I WANT TO PIGGYBACK OFF 56:39 OF, BECAUSE THAT'S WHY WE CREATED THE SMALL GROUPS. 56:43 THEY CAN COME AND BE VULNERABLE. AND THE OTHER THING THAT THE 56:46 CHURCH NEEDS A HUNGER FOR TRUTH. AT TIMES WE DRIFTED IN SAYING 56:51 LET'S REACH THEM WHERE THEY ARE AT, IN THE SENSE OF ENTERTAINING 56:55 THEM, OR MAKING IT A SOCIAL CLUB, BUT THIS PAST FRIDAY WE 56:58 WERE GOING THROUGH THE BOOK OF HEBREWS, AND JUST THE DESIRE AND 57:04 HUNGER FOR TRUTH, SO WHEN YOU TEACH IT TO THEM, AND THEY SEE 57:08 IT FOR THE FIRST TIME, IT'S SUCH A FULFILLING -- IT'S SO 57:12 FULFILLING TO SEE THEY ARE LEARNING SOMETHING FROM THE 57:15 TRUTH THAT SOMETIMES WE TAKE FOR GRANTED. 57:18 SO BETWEEN JUST AN ENVIRONMENT TO ALLOW THESE YOUNG ADULTS TO 57:21 BE CREATIVE, AND AN ENVIRONMENT FOR THEM TO LEARN AND GROW IN 57:25 THEIR EXPERIENCE. >> PRAISE THE LORD. 57:27 WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND TALK MORE ABOUT SOME OF THIS IN 57:31 THE NEXT HOUR, CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE PEOPLE OF ALL 57:35 CLASSES ARE COMFORTABLE. STAY TUNED BECAUSE THE REST OF 57:39 THE SALT WILL BE SHAKEN IN THE SEC HOUR. 57:42 DON'T GO AWAY, WE'LL BE BACK IN JUST ABOUT TWO MINUTES. |
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