Participants: Danny Shelton (Host), John Lomacang, Ronny Shelton, Shelley Quinn
Series Code: TL
Program Code: TL017518B
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00:03 ♪ >> WELCOME BACK TO 3ABN, "TODAY
00:14 LIVE." YOU CAN TELL WE'RE LIVE 00:16 TELEVISION. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED. 00:19 I'LL USUALLY MORE ALERT THAN THAT. 00:21 I THINK MY EYES ARE DESERVING ME A LITTLE BIT. 00:24 IT WAS LIKE, FOUR, THREE, TWO, ONE, AND YOU ARE OUT. 00:28 WE HAVE ASKED YOU TO CALL IN QUESTIONS. 00:31 WE'RE GETTING LOTS OF THEM NOW. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO STAY ON 00:36 THIS SUBJECT MUCH LONGER, BUT IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT SUBJECT. 00:40 PEOPLE ARE ASKING US HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THIS IN THE CHURCH AND 00:45 HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THIS SITUATION? 00:49 SO I'M TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THE CHURCHES, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT 00:52 THE OTHERS, BUT AT LEAST THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS REALITY THAT 00:55 WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. AND JOHN, THE STORY THAT I WAS 00:58 GETTING READY TO TELL YOU, WAS THAT A CHURCH HIRED A CHOIR 01:04 DIRECTOR, AND AFTER HE WAS THERE A WHILE, HE SAID TO THEM, 01:09 OPENLY, I'M GAY, A HOMOSEXUAL, AND, YOU KNOW, I DO LIVE TH 01:13 LIFESTYLE, BUT I STILL WANT TO BE YOUR CHOIR DIRECTOR, BECAUSE 01:16 I LOVE THE LORD AND I LOVE MUSIC, AND I LOVE THIS CHURCH. 01:22 AND THE CHURCH BOARD VOTED AND SAID WE CAN'T HAVE THAT. 01:25 AND WE'RE SORRY, YOU CAN COME TO THIS CHURCH, BUT WE CAN'T PUT 01:30 YOU IN LEADERSHIP, BECAUSE THAT SENDS A BAD MESSAGE THAT THIS 01:34 LIFESTYLE IS OKAY. SO THEY LET HIM GO. 01:37 BUT THE NEWSPAPERS AND THE MEDIA IN THE AREA, GOT AHOLD OF IT AND 01:41 SAID HOW TERRIBLE THIS CHURCH IS, THAT THEY CAN'T CARE ABOUT 01:45 THIS GUY, AND THIS IS A SHAME THAT THEY FIRED HIM. 01:49 SO ANOTHER CHURCH IN THE SAME AREA HIRED HIM AS THEIR CHOIR 01:54 DIRECTOR. AND THEY SAID WE LOVE EVERYBODY, 01:56 AND WE FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD HIRE HIM BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THE 02:00 COMMUNITY TO THINK THAT WE DON'T LOVE -- YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY. 02:03 SO THIS IS JUST A MESSAGE WE'RE SENDING. 02:05 SO YOU MAY LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY, BUT W THINK IT'S A 02:09 MESSAGE THAT WE LOVE PEOPLE. AND I SAID WHAT IF I WERE THAT 02:13 CHOIR DIRECTOR, AND JOHN, I COME TO YOUR CHURCH, AND I SAY JOHN, 02:17 I WOULD LOVE TO BE YOUR CHOIR DIRECTOR, BUT I'M AN ADULTER, 02:22 I'M AN OPEN ADULTER, BUT I LOVE THE CHURCH, RONNY, YOUR CHURCH 02:27 IN OKLAHOMA, I LOVE THE PEOPLE, I LOVE LEADING MUSIC, CAN I BE 02:33 YOUR CHOIR DIRECTOR. YOU WOULD TAKE IT TO THE CHURCH 02:43 BOARD AND THEY WILL SAY NO, WE CAN'T DO THAT. 02:46 OR I SAY I REALLY WANT TO BE THE TREASURER OF YOUR CHURCH, BUT I 02:52 STEAL A LITTLE BIT, IT'S JUST IN MY BLOOD. 02:55 BUT I TRY NOT TO. BUT I WANT TO BE OPEN WITH YOU, 03:00 I AM A THIEF, CAN I HAVE A JOB AS A TREASURER. 03:06 YOU WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM VOTING ME DOWN. 03:10 IF I SAY, I DO DRUGS, I WAS BORN WITH THAT. 03:13 MY MOTHER DID THEM. MY GRANDFATHER DID THEM. 03:16 I TRY TO CONTROL IT, BUT I THINK I SHOULD HAVE THE FREEDOM TO DO 03:20 DRUGS, BUT I STILL WANT TO BE IN LEADERSHIP POSITION AT YOUR 03:24 CHURCH. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? 03:26 >> WE PREACH DELIVERANCE THROUGH CHRIST. 03:30 >> YOU WOULDN'T GIVE ME THE JOB. I CAN GO DOWN THE WHOLE LIST, 03:35 THEY WOULD TURN ME DOWN. BUT IF I SAY I'M HOMOSEXUAL, I 03:40 CAN'T HELP IT, THEN THEY HIRE YOU. 03:43 SO TO ME THAT'S AN AMAZING THING. 03:45 I PRAY FOR EVERYBODY. I HAVE PROBLEMS. 03:47 YOU HAVE PROBLEMS, BUT AS FAR AS CHURCHES GO, I THINK WE HAVE TO 03:51 GUARD WHO IS IN LEADERSHIP. NOBODY IS PERFECT, NONE OF US 03:57 ARE. BUT WITH AMERICA -- I WRITE THIS 04:02 IN MY NEW LITTLE BOOK, THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN HOMOSEXUALS AND 04:07 MURDERS IN AMERICA, YOU NAME THE CRIME, DRUG ADDICTS, AND GOD HAS 04:13 BLESSED AMERICA. >> [ INAUDIBLE ]. 04:14 >> YEAH, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. BUT WHAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE 04:19 NOW? BECAUSE IT BECAME LAW OF THE 04:21 LAND. SO I CALL THAT SPIRITUAL 04:25 VIGILANTLY. SO THE GOVERNMENT INSTEAD OF 04:27 GOING THROUGH THE PEOPLE, MADE IT A FEDERAL CASE, PUSHED 04:30 THROUGH SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, AND MADE IT LAW OF THE LAND. 04:34 THAT IS A SLAP IN THE FACE TO GOD. 04:36 WHEN CREATED TWO THINGS AT CREATION, THE SABBATH AS WE SAID 04:40 EARLIER -- AND YOU TRAMPLE ON ANY OF GOD'S LAWS AND YOU ARE 04:45 GOING TO REAP WHAT YOU SEW. SO ENOUGH OF THAT. 04:47 NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO ON TO THESE QUESTIONS. 04:52 >> ONE THING I COULD ADD TO THAT. 04:55 YOU SAID HOW CAN I GET AWAY FROM THIS? 04:57 I DON'T WANT TO BE THIS WAY? I DON'T WANT TO LIVE THAT 05:03 LIFESTYLE. THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS 05:04 THE SAME AS ANY OTHER PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE. 05:07 IT IS YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN OR YOU CANNOT SEE THE KINGDOM OF 05:12 GOD. THAT'S WHERE THE POWER IS RIGHT 05:14 THERE. YOU CAN TRY AND TRY AND TRY ON 05:16 YOUR OWN, AND NEVER BE SUCCESSFUL, BUT ONCE YOU HAVE 05:20 GIVEN IT TO GOD AND SURRENDERED TO HIM, AND BE BORN AGAIN, THEN 05:24 THE VICTORY TAKES PLACE, BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE GOD WORKING WITH 05:29 YOU, AS YOU COMMIT AND SURRENDER YOURSELF TO HIM. 05:34 SO THERE'S WHERE THE VICTORY IS. JUST LIKE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT 05:38 THE MAN WHO WAS THE THIEF OR EMBEZELER, OR THE DRUG ADDICT OR 05:43 ANYONE ELSE, JESUS SAID YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN. 05:47 AND WHEN YOU ARE BORN AGAIN, YOU GET THAT VICTORY. 05:50 >> SPEAKING OF THAT HERE IS A QUESTION FROM NEW YORK. 05:53 WHAT ARE THE STEPS TO SALVATION? HOW DO YOU BE SAVED? 05:58 >> I THINK FAITH COMES BY HEARING, HEARING BY THE WORD OF 06:01 GOD. YOU HEAR THE WORD. 06:04 THE HOLY SPIRIT WORKS TO CONVICT AND CONVINCE YOU, AND THEN IF 06:09 YOU BELIEVE AND CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH, JESUS CHRIST IS THE 06:13 LORD, AND YOU JUST SIMPLY PRAY AND -- YOU KNOW, I'LL NEVER 06:18 FORGET THAT MY SISTER, WHO WAS A DRUG ADDICT FOR 20-SOME-ODD 06:23 YEARS, AND I PRAY SOD HARD FOR HER, AND I KEPT TELLING HER ALL 06:27 YOU HAVE TO DO IS TELL GOD YOU ARE TIRED OF BEING A SINNER, 06:31 THAT YOU -- YOU WANT HIM IN YOUR LIFE, AND ASK TO BE FILLED WITH 06:35 THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND I SAID HE WILL. 06:37 AND SHE WENT OUT IN THE BACKYARD OF MY MOTHER'S HOME AND THAT'S 06:41 WHAT SHE SAID IF IT'S TRUE WHAT MY SISTER SAYS THAT ALL I HAVE 06:45 TO DO IS TELL YOU, I'M A SINNER, I'M SICK OF SINNING. 06:50 I NEED SALVATION -- >> WHICH WE CALL THAT 06:54 REPENTANCE. >> THAT'S REPENTANCE. 06:56 AND SHE SAID FORGIVE ME OF MY SINS AND DELIVER YOUR HOLY 07:02 SPIRIT AND SHE WAS DELIVERED FROM DRUGS LIKE THAT FOR 30 07:05 YEARS. FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS OF HER 07:08 LIFE SHE NEVER DID DRUGS AGAIN. IT'S JUST ABOUT CONFESS AND 07:12 REPEN AND RECEIVE. >> AND WE HAVE GOT A FEW 07:16 SCRIPTURES FOR THOSE WATCHING. THAT MAYBE YOU WANT TO WRITE 07:20 THESE DOWN OR YOU CAN GET A COPY OF THIS PROGRAM IF YOU WOULD 07:23 LIKE. AND MAYBE GIVE US A FEW SK 07:27 SKRIM -- SCRIPTURES. >> WELL, THE LORD HAS LEAD MY 07:32 MIND ON A NEW CHANNEL -- NOT SOMETHING THAT IS NEW, BUT 07:37 DANNY, I HAVE LEARNED IN READING THE BIBLE AND THIS THEME IS ALL 07:41 THE WAY THROUGH THE BIBLE, WE CANNOT CHOOSE WHAT TO DO. 07:48 WE CAN ONLY CHOOSE WHO TO SERVE. ROMANS 6:16 IS ONE OF THE 07:54 PASSAGES IN THE BIBLE THAT SHOWS US THAT THERE ARE ONLY TWO TYPES 07:59 OF INDIVIDUALS, SHELLEY IN THE WORLD, PASTOR SHELTON, THOSE WHO 08:05 ARE SLOOIFS TO SIN AND THOSE WHO ARE SLAVES TO RIGHTEOUSNESS. 08:09 THERE IS NO THIRD CATEGORY. ROMANS 6:16, DO YOU NOT KNOW 08:15 THAT TO WHOM YOU PRESENT YOURSELF, YOU ARE THAT ONE'S 08:21 SLAVE WHOM YOU OBEY. VERSUS 17, BUT GOD BE THANKED 08:27 THAT THOUGH YOU WERE SLAVES TO SIN, YET YOU OBEY FROM THE HEART 08:32 THAT FORM OF DOCTRINE TO WHICH YOU WERE DELIVERED. 08:37 AND HAVE YOU BEEN SET FREE, NOW YOU HAVE BECOME SLAVES TO 08:42 RIGHTEOUSNESS. SO INWHEN YOU THE LORD IN, YOU 08:45 BECOME HIS SERVANT, AND THEN HE DELIVERS YOU FROM THE SIN -- NOT 08:49 JUST THE PENALTY OF SIN, BUT HE DELIVERS YOU FROM THE POWER OF 08:54 SIN. >> OKAY. 08:55 >> I HAVE A TEXT DANNY, 1 JOHN 5, AND WE TALK ABOUT DELIVERING 09:01 AND ACCEPTING THE SON STARTING AT VERSE 11. 09:06 THIS IS THE TESTIMONY THAT GOD HAS GIVEN US ETERNAL LIFE AND 09:09 THIS LIFE IS IN HIS SON, SO IT'S NO PLACE ELSE. 09:14 WE DON'T GET SAVED ANYPLACE ELSE BUT THROUGH TH SON. 09:20 HE WHO DOES NOT HAVE THE SON OF GOD DOES NOT HAVE LIFE. 09:22 AND THESE THINGS I HAVE WRITTEN TO YOU, THAT YOU MAY KNOW THAT 09:26 YOU HAVE ETERNAL LIFE; THAT YOU MAY CONTINUE TO BELIEVE IN THE 09:31 NAME OF THE SON OF GOD. NOW THIS IS THE CONFIDENCE THAT 09:35 WE HAVE IN HIM, THAT IF WE ASK ANYTHING ACCORDING TO HIS WILL, 09:39 HE HEARS US, AND IF WE KNOW THAT HE HEARS US, WHATEVER WE CAN, WE 09:45 KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE PETITION THAT WE HAVE ASKED OF HIM. 09:48 SO, AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ASKING, RECEIVING, BELIEVING, 09:51 AND REALIZING THAT LIFE ONLY COMES TO US THROUGH THE SON, THE 09:55 SON OF GOD. >> AMEN. 09:58 AND, YOU KNOW, 1 JOHN 1:9 SAYS IF WE CONFESS HIS SINS HE IS 10:04 FAITHFUL AND JUST TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS. 10:07 BUT ROMANS 10:9 SAYS THIS, IF YOU CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH THE 10:12 LORD JESUS AND BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART, AND BELIEVING IN JESUS 10:16 MEANS TO BE LIVING IN JESUS. THIS IS A BEEF THAT IS NOT JUST 10:20 A MENTAL SENSE, YEAH, I BELIEVE HE WAS THE SON OF GOD, AND YEAH, 10:24 HE DIED FOR THE SINS -- IT MEANS YOU BELIEVE HE DID IT FOR YOU, 10:28 AND YOU ARE WILLING TO SURRENDER CONTROL OF YOUR LIFE TO HIM. 10:32 SO IT SAYS IF YOU BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART THAT GOD HAS RAISED 10:36 HIM FROM THE DEAD YOU WILL BE SAVED, FOR WITH THE HEART ONE 10:41 BELIEVES INTO RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND WITH THE MOUTH CONFESSION IS 10:46 MADE INTO SALVATION. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT 10:49 WE JUST COME BEFORE THE LORD AND TALK TO HIM LIKE WE WOULD AS A 10:56 FRIEND. >> YES. 10:59 IT SAYS WILL WE BE SINNING? SOME PEOPLE SAY SINNING WILL 11:07 KEEP HAPPENING UNTIL JESUS COMES. 11:09 THE BIBLE SAYS ALL HAVE SINNED AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF 11:14 GOD, BUT WHEN SIN KEEPS US OUT OF HEAVEN, TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, 11:20 IT'S WHEN WE REBEL AGAINST WHAT WE KNOW TO DO IS RIGHT. 11:23 IN OTHER WORDS WE ALL HAVE WEAKNESSES. 11:26 BECAUSE I FAIL ONE TIME OR TWO TIMES OR WHAT HAVE YOU, I FAIL, 11:30 AS LONG AS I'M REALLY TRULY SORRY AND I GO BACK TO JESUS, HE 11:37 WILL FORGIVE ME FROM THAT, RIGHT? 11:40 BUT IF I UNDERSTAND THIS RIGHT, AND YOU HELP ME, JOHN, BECAUSE 11:44 WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE. 11:47 SOMEBODY SAYS THAT IS NO DIFFERENT THAN A MALE COMMITS 11:52 ADULTERY, NO, IT ISN'T? BUT EITHER ONE SAYS I KNOW WHAT 11:55 THE BIBLE SAYS, BUT I'M GOING TO DO WHAT I WANT ANYWAY, THAT'S 12:03 REBELIAN AGAINST GOD'S LAW, AND THAT'S WHEN SIN BECOMES DEATH. 12:08 >> RIGHT. >> HELP ME WITH THAT, Y'ALL. 12:11 >> WELL, THERE IS A SIN NATURE. THERE IS A SIN FLESH. 12:15 WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SIN FLESH UNTIL THE LORD GIVES US A 12:20 NEW BODY. HOW FAR BACK CAN WE ALL GO TO 12:24 REMEMBER THE KIND OF LIFE YOU USED TO LIVE BEFORE CHRIST, BUT 12:29 JESUS FIRST SAVED US FROM THE PENALTY OF SIN. 12:31 >> UH-HUH. >> WE NO LONGER HAVE DEATH 12:35 HANGING OVER OUR HEAD, THAT'S INSTANTANEOUS, BUT DAILY WE ARE 12:40 BEING SAVED FROM THE POWER OF SIN. 12:42 HERE IS THE KEY. WHEN WE SAY WE'LL BE SINNING 12:46 UNTIL JESUS COMING, WE'LL HAVE THE SIN NATURE, BUT THERE IS A 12:52 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN INTENTIONAL SIN AND STUMBLING. 12:55 >> ABSOLUTELY. >> IF YU PRACTICE SIN, YOU WILL 12:58 NOT BE SAVED. PRACTICING OF SIN IS WHERE YOU 13:03 LOSE -- WHOEVER IS BORN OF GOD, 1 JOHN 3:9 WHOEVER IS BORN OF 13:09 GOD DOES NOT COMMIT SIN, DOES NOT PRACTICE SIN, FOR HIS SIN 13:14 REMAINS IN HIM AND HE CANNOT KEEP ON PRACTICING SIN BECAUSE 13:18 HE IS BORN OF GOD. SO THE ONE WHO KEEPS PRACTICING 13:21 SIN AND SAYING I'M GOING TO KEEP PRACTICING SIN, THAT NOW BECOMES 13:28 INIQUITY, AND INIQUITY IS NOT A SIN THAT IS FORGIVABLE, BECAUSE 13:32 YOU ARE CONTINUING TO CRUCIFY THE SON OF GOD OVER AND OVER 13:36 AGAIN. BUT IF YOU STUMBLE THAT'S A 13:40 DIFFERENCE ALL TOGETHER. ONE PASTOR SAID, LOOKING AT THE 13:44 MARK, THERE'S AIMING TOWARDS THE MARK, THERE IS REFUSING TO AIM 13:47 AT THE MARK. LOOKING AT THE MARK, CHRIST, THE 13:50 PERFECT MARK. AIMING AT THE MARK AND MISSING 13:53 AS WE HAVE ALL FALLEN SHORT, BUT REFUSING TO AIM IS INNICKTY. 13:58 >> I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT DANNY, I HAVE A SERMON WHERE I TALK 14:05 ABOUT' BEADENCE. I ALWAYS SAY OBEDIENCE IS AN 14:10 ATTITUDE, BECAUSE IF WE START MAKING THIS BIG LONG LIST, 14:17 BECOULD NEVER COVER EVERYTHING. >> THAT'S TRUE. 14:19 >> BUT IF WE SAY THAT OBEDIENCE IS THE ATTITUDE THAT WE HAVE. 14:24 I STUMBLE SOMETIMES, AND I GO BACK TO GOD AND SAY I DIDN'T 14:28 WANT TO DO THAT. WILL YOU FORGIVE ME.-SO WHEN I SIN IN AN ATTITUDE OF 14:34 OBEDIENCE, I COME TO GOD AND I SAY I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, I'M 14:39 SORRY, FORGIVE ME AND START AGAIN. 14:42 SO IT'S NOT JUST THIS LONG LISTS OF DOS AND DON'TS. 14:47 THE ATTITUDE OF OBEDIENCE IS WHERE WE NEED TO BE LIVING IN 14:51 THAT ATTITUDE OF OBEDIENCE. >> OKAY. 14:54 >> AND WE'RE SAVED BY GRACE. OBEDIENCE DOES NOT SAVE US, BUT 14:58 WHEN WE COME INTO -- THE UNIFYING THEME OF THE SCRIPTURE 15:01 IS THAT GOD IS A COVENANT MAKER AND A COVENANT KEEPER. 15:07 AND JESUS CHRIST IS THE COVNANT THAT HE HAS GIVEN TO US. 15:12 SO WHEN WE COME INTO CHRIST, IF WE'RE ABIDING IN CHRIST, AND WE 15:16 RECEIVED GOD'S LOVE IN THIS NEW COVENANT, GOD EXPECTS A RESPONSE 15:22 OF LOYALTY US. JESUS SAID IN JOHN 14:15, IF YOU 15:28 LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS, AND THE BIBLE TELLS US IN 1 JOHN 15:35 2:9, THAT HE WHO SAYS THAT HE IS IN CHRIST OUGHT ALSO HIMSELF TO 15:44 WALK AS CHRIST WALKED. WE KNOW 1 FIPIANS 12 AND 13, 15:50 OBEDIENCE IS BY GRACE. WE CANNOT OBEY IN OUR OWN POWER. 15:58 FIP -- FA LIPPIANS 1:6 SAYS THAT HE WILL COMPLETE THE GOOD 16:08 WORK THAT HE HAS BEGUN IN US. BUT I JUST WANT TO POINT THIS 16:12 OUT, BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE SAY WHY DO YOU TALK ABOUT 16:19 OBEDIENCE. IN -- THIS IS 1 JOHN 2:3-4. 16:23 IT SAYS BY THIS WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM. 16:28 IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS, HE WHO SAYS I KNOW HIM -- AND YOU 16:35 HAVE GOT TO KNOW CHRIST TO BE SAVED -- HE WHO SAYS I KNOW HIM, 16:39 AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR, AND THE 16:42 TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. BUT WHOEVER KEEPS HIS WORD TRULY 16:46 THE LOVE OF GOD IS PERFECTED IN HIM. 16:49 BY THIS, WE KNOW WE ARE IN HIM. AND SALVATION IS FOUND ONLY HIM. 16:55 >> ALL RIGHT. ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON? 16:58 >> I HAVE TO ADD ONE MORE THIN TO THAT DANNY. 17:04 CAN I SHARE A QUOTE REAL QUICKLY. 17:06 >> SURE. >> THIS ONE IS SO APROPOS TO 17:10 THIS QUESTION. TALKING ABOUT OBEDIENCE, SERVING 17:13 THE LORD, KEEPING HIS COMM COMMA 17:18 COMMANDMENTS. THIS QUOTATION BLEW MY MIND. 17:21 IT SAYS IN BOOK TEMPERANCE 1-12. IT SAYS WE CANNOT CHANGE OUR 17:27 HEARTS. WE CANNOT CONTROL OUR THOUGHTS, 17:29 OUR IMPULSES, OUR AFFECTIONS. WE CANNOT MAKE OURSELVES PURE. 17:38 BUT WE CAN CHOOSE TO SERVE GOD. >> OKAY. 17:42 >> WE CAN GIVE HIM OUR WILL AND THEN HE WILL WORK IN US TO DO 17:47 HIS WILL. JOSHUA DIDN'T SAY CHOOSE YOU 17:49 THIS DAY WHAT YOU WILL DO. HE SAID CHOOSE YOU THIS DAY WHOM 17:57 YOU WILL SERVE. WHEN THE LORD SAID TO MOSES, 17:58 WHAT IS THE MESSAGE TO THE PHARAOH, LET MY PEOPLE THAT THEY 18:03 MAY SERVE ME. THE GOD THAT YOU SERVE IS ABLE 18:09 TO DELIVER YOU. THE GOD WHOM YOU SERVE HAS 18:12 DELIVERED YOU. WHEN YOU CHOOSE WHO TO SERVE, 18:16 GET THIS, INSTEAD OF WHAT TO DO, HE COMES IN TO WILL AND TO DO, 18:22 TO WILL AND TO DO. >> THERE YOU GO. 18:24 >> WE CAN'T WILL. WE LEAN OUR WILL ON HIS SIDE. 18:28 LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. IF I JOIN YOUR BASKETBALL TEAM, 18:33 I KNOW WHO MY COACH IS GOING TO BE, I KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO 18:36 PLAY GAMES, WHAT MY UNIFORM IS GOING TO BE -- 18:40 >> AND WHO TO PASS TOO. [ LAUGHTER ] 18:43 >> DON'T LEAVE THAT. >> AND WHO NOT TO PASS TO. 18:47 >> JOHN AND I BOTH LOVE TO SHOOT. 18:51 >> YOU DON'T WIN BY DRIBBLING, BUT IF I JOIN THE LAKERS, 18:56 EVERYTHING IS SET BEFORE I JOIN THEM. 18:59 I DON'T CHOOSE MY STADIUM, MY UNIFORM, MY CITY. 19:03 WHEN I CHOOSE THE LORD, EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM, HE COMES 19:07 IN TO WILL AND TO DO. WE HAVE TO SIMPLY CHOOSE WHO TO 19:14 SERVE. >> AMEN. 19:15 HERE IS A QUESTION, AND AGAIN, IT GETS US BACK TO WHERE WE WERE 19:20 EARLIER, BUT IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION. 19:23 I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT MY CHURCH THAT MY HUSBAND AND I GO 19:27 TO WHEN MY HEALTH ALLOWS ME. IT IS GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE 19:32 OUR CHURCH ACCEPTED A WOMAN WHO IS HAVING A SEX CHANGE AS A 19:35 MEMBER OF OUR CHURCH. I KNOW THERE WILL COME A TIME 19:38 WHEN WE WILL HAVE TO LEAVE THE CHURCH, BECAUSE OF WHAT 19:42 REVELATIONS SAYS. COME OF OUT HER MY PEOPLE. 19:47 MY QUESTION IS HOW DOES ONE KNOW WHEN THEY SHOULD LEAVE A CHURCH. 19:54 I ASKED MY HUSBAND, WHAT IF THIS MAN WANTS TO MARRY A WOMAN 20:03 BECAUSE SHE THINKS SHE IS A MAN. I NEED TO KNOW HOW TO HANDLE 20:09 THIS. MY MAIN CONCERN, THOUGH, IS WHEN 20:12 ONE SHOULD LEAVE THE CHURCH IF IT EVER COMES TO THIS. 20:15 AND SO I KNOW THIS CAN BE A VERY TOUCHY TYPE SUBJECT, BUT CAN'T 20:21 WE STICK BACK TO WHERE WE WANT TO BELONG WHERE THE WORSHIP IN 20:29 SPIRIT AND TRUTH. THERE IS ALWAYS ANOTHER CHURCH 20:32 YOU CAN GO TO, MAYBE IN THE SAME -- YOU KNOW, WITH THE SAME 20:35 BELIEFS, BUT JOHN, YOU ARE A PASTOR, WHAT DO YOU SAY IF THIS 20:40 IS HAPPENING AND THIS IS ACCEPTED, AND THE PASTOR MARRIES 20:44 THIS PERSON, AND ALL OF THAT. WHAT DO THESE PEOPLE DO? 20:48 >> IF YOU STUDY THE ISRAELITES, WHENEVER THEY CREATED AN 20:56 ALLIANCE WITH SIN, IT AFFECTED THE ENTIRE CAMP. 21:01 NO ONE IS BLESSED BY THAT. BUT HERE -- I THINK I ADDRESSED 21:07 SOMETHING LIKE THIS -- YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE. 21:10 THE LORD TALKS ABOUT THE FIVE WIVES, AND THE FIVE FOOLISH. 21:16 WHEN THE SHAKING -- HEBREWS 12 TALKS ABOUT THIS, THE LORD IS 21:22 GOING TO SHAKE THE RIGHTEOUS IN AND SHAKE THE SIN OUT. 21:25 I WOULD NOT PUT ANYONE IN LEADERSHIP THAT IS KNOWINGLY 21:29 HAVING A SEX CHANGE OPERATION, BECAUSE I HAVE NOW BECOME A 21:34 PARTAKER OF THAT VERY SIN. WHAT MAKES THIS SO CRAZY 21:38 DELICATE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR ANYBODY 21:42 ELSE, BUT I HAVE IN MY FAMILY SOMEONE WHO IS ADMITTEDLY 21:47 HOMOSEXUAL, BUT I LOVE THAT PERSON, BUT THEY KNOW I 21:51 DON'T -- I DON'T CONDONE THE SIN, AND I THINK THAT WHAT IS 21:55 HAPPENING IN OUR WORLD TODAY IS WE'RE TIPTOEING AROUND THE SIN 22:01 AND NOT CARING ENOUGH ABOUT THE PERSON TO LEAD THAT PERSON TO 22:04 ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE LORD CAN DELIVER HIM OR HER FROM 22:07 ANYTHING. BUT I WOULDN'T -- I WOULDN'T 22:09 TAKE THAT ROLE THAT THE PASTOR HAS TAKEN BEFORE PERFORMING A 22:14 MARRIAGE BY SEASON WHO IS GOING TO HAVE A SEX CHANGE, I WOULD 22:18 DON'T THAT. BECAUSE NOW I'M ACCOUNTABLE. 22:20 THE SIN OF CO-MISSION. I'M ACCOUNTABLE NOW FOR 22:24 PARTICIPATING IN THAT. >> RONNY WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? 22:27 >> I WAS THINKING VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT. 22:31 WHENEVER A CHURCH HAS GONE SO FAR AWAY FROM THE WORLD OF GOD, 22:35 THERE IS A TIME WHERE YOU HAVE TO SAY I CAN NO LONGER BE A PART 22:39 OF THIS. YOU MAY SPEAK TO THE PASTOR, THE 22:42 ELDERS OF THE CHURCH, GET THE LEADERSHIP TOGETHER AND SAY THIS 22:45 IS WHAT I SEE GOING ON. I CAN'T BE PART OF THIS. 22:49 AND MAYBE SOME OTHERS ARE THINKING THE SAME THING. 22:51 >> RIGHT. >> THEY MAY NOT BE THE ONLY ONE 22:55 THINKING THAT. BUT AT SOME POINT IF THE CHURCH 22:58 DOES NOT DEAL WITH IT CORRECTLY, BIBLICALLY THEN IT'S TIME TO 23:04 LEAVE. >> BUT IF I UNDERSTOOD THE 23:07 QUESTION, IT'S THAT THE PERSON IS WANTING TO COME INTO THEIR 23:10 CHURCH, BUT IT WAS A HYPOTHETICAL ABOUT WHAT IF IN 23:14 THE FUTURE THIS PERSON SHOULD WANT TO MARRY. 23:18 I THNK WE HAVE TO BE SO CAREFUL -- GOD IS SO LOVING AND 23:23 OPENINGLY -- RECEIVES US FOR WHO WE ARE. 23:27 WE ALSO TO BE OPEN AND LOVING TO RECEIVE PEOPLE. 23:32 NOW GOD DOESN'T LEAVE US IN OUR STATE OF SIN, BECAUSE JESUS CAME 23:35 TO DESTROY THE WORKS OF THE DEVIL. 23:38 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> SO I THINK THAT WE 23:40 NEED -- YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT -- AT A CHURCH THAT WE WENT 23:44 TO IN DALLAS, TEXAS, THERE WERE ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT HOMOSEXUALS 23:50 WHO CAME INTO THE CHURCH. AND WE LOVED ON THEM. 23:53 >> IN THE RIGHT WAY, I MIGHT ADD. 23:57 >> RIGHT. [ LAUGHTER ] 23:58 >> JUST SO NO ONE IS CONFUSED. >> BUT MY POINT IS, THAT FIVE 24:04 STAYED AND THE OTHERS LEFT, AND ALL FIVE WENT STRAIGHT. 24:07 >> UH-HUH. >> AND FOUR OF THOSE FIVE HAD 24:11 BEEN SEXUALLY ABUSED AS CHILDREN. 24:14 VERY CONFUSED. VERY WOUNDED. 24:16 VERY HURT. AND THE INTERESTING THING THAT I 24:18 WAS READING RECENTLY, WHEN IT COMES TO TRANSGENDER PEOPLE, OR 24:22 PEOPLE HAVING THESE SEXUAL CHANGES, A LOT OF TIMES THEY HAD 24:27 BEEN INFLUENCED AT AN EARLY AGE, AND PARENTS HAVE GONE AHEAD AND 24:32 SAID, WELL, IF YOU THINK THAT'S IT -- THEY START THEM ON 24:38 HORMONES AND DO THE DIFFERENT THINGS. 24:41 SADLY, THEY HAVE MORE THAN TRIPLE THE SUICIDE RATE OF EVEN 24:46 OVER HOMOSEXUALS, AND THEN -- AND WITHIN TEN 24:50 YEARS -- LIKE I FORGET -- IT WAS A HIGH PERCENTAGE, CLOSE TO 90% 24:54 OF THEM ARE REGRETTING. THE FIRST FEW YEARS IT'S LIKE 24:59 OKAY, BUT THEN THEY BEGIN REGRETTING AND WISH THEY HAD 25:02 NEVER DONE IT. >> I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS 25:05 WHAT WE KIND OF SAID EARLIER ABOUT THE UNITED STATES WHEN 25:09 SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BECAME LAW OF THE LAND, BUT AS LONG AS A 25:13 PERSON COMES IN, WHETHER THEY ARE TRANSGENDER -- NO MATTER 25:17 WHAT THEY CALL THEMSELVES, AND THEY ARE SEEKING TRUTH, AND WANT 25:24 HELP, WE SHOULD HELP THEM. BUT WE DON'T CONDONE WHAT THEY 25:28 ARE DOING, BY PUTTING THEM IN LEADERSHIP. 25:31 BUT THAT'S WHAT A CHURCH IS ALL ABOUT IS FOR SINNER. 25:34 THAT'S WHY I GO TO CHURCH. IF I WERE PERFECT, I WOULDN'T 25:38 GO. I GO BECAUSE I'M A SINNER, 25:40 RIGHT? SO I THINK, AGAIN, WE NEED TO 25:43 LOVE EVERYBODY. INCLUDING THESE. 25:45 I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW -- I MEAN TO ME I WOULD BE HONEST, THAT'S 25:50 FINE, BUT I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY IN WITH MY GRANDDAUGHTER OR 25:55 TRINITY OR SOMEBODY ELSE, WHO IS OF THE OPPOSITE SEX SAYING I 25:59 FEEL LIKE A WOMAN TODAY. I'M JUST NOT GOING TO GO FOR 26:03 THAT. WHATEVER THEIR NEEDS ARE -- WE 26:05 ALL HAVE NEEDS SO WE NEED TO BE SYMPATHETIC WITH OTHERS, BUT 26:11 DON'T ENFORCE OR SUPPORT WHAT THEY ARE DOING. 26:14 >> MAY I SA SOMETHING THAT IS JUST IN MY HEART. 26:17 >> UH-HUH. >> AS I SAID, WE NEED TO BE 26:20 LOVING, BUT AT YOUR CHURCH IF YOU SAY, HAVE A PEDOPHILE WHO 26:24 SHOWS UP, AND MAYBE THEY HAVE SERVED TIME, AND THEY ARE OUT, 26:28 AND THEY ARE TRYING TO CHANGE, AND YOU SEE A CHANGE IN THEM, 26:32 AND WELCOME THEM IN TO LOVE THEM WITH A SPIRITUAL LOVE, BUT DO 26:40 NOT BECOME NAIVE. I THINK THAT ANY TIME -- IF A 26:44 PEDOPHILE WERE TO JOIN THE CHURCH -- I MEAN, WONDERFUL, BUT 26:49 YOU SHOULD ASSIGN THEM A BATHROOM PARTNER. 26:52 THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GO INTO A BATHROOM ALONE. 26:56 WE NEED TO BE -- HOW -- GENTLE AS A DOVE BUT -- 27:02 >> WISE AS A SERPENT -- >> YES, AND HARMLESS AS A DOVE. 27:06 >> ACCOUNTABILITY. >> ACCOUNTABILITY. 27:08 >> I CAN TELL A LITTLE STORY LIKE THAT AT OUR CHURCH IN 27:12 OKLAHOMA. I HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 27:13 A MAN WHO HAD SERVED QUITE A BIT OF TIME FOR CHILD PEDOPHILIA. 27:18 AND HE WAS COMING TO OUR CHURCH, AND EVERYTHING WAS GOING JUST 27:23 GREAT UNTIL I SAW HIM ROUGH HOUSING WITH ONE OF THE BOYS OF 27:27 THE CHURCH, A YOUNG BOY. AND I FELT I HAD TO TALK TO THE 27:31 MAN. I SAID WE LOVE YOU HERE. 27:33 WE'RE GLAD THAT YOU ARE COMING. WE HOPE YOU WON'T BE OFFENDED, 27:37 BUT AS A GUARDIAN OF THE FLOCK, AS THE SHEPHERD OF THE FLOCK, 27:43 YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO STEP BACK FROM THE KIDS. 27:46 I SAID I HOPE YOU ARE NOT OFFENDED. 27:48 WE LOVE YOU HERE. WE HOPE YOU'LL KEEP COMING, BUT 27:52 WHEN YOU ARE HERE, YOU NEED TO STEP BACK FROM THE KIDS. 27:55 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> BECAUSE WE ARE THE SHEPPARDS 27:59 OF THE FLOCK, AND WE HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR THE KIDS. 28:03 AND HE DIDN'T COME BACK TO MY CHURCH NO MORE, BUT HE WENT TO 28:08 ANOTHER ONE OF THE ADVENTIST CHURCHES, WHICH WAS GOOD. 28:12 BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE A STATEMENT AND STAND FOR WHAT IS WRITE. 28:16 >> SOMEONE JUST WROTE IN, AND I SHOULD HAVE SAI THIS ALREADY, 28:21 BUT DARE TO DREAM HAS SOME GREAT PROGRAMMING COMING OUT. 28:26 IT IS A NUMBER OF PEOPLE, GAY AND LESBIANS WHO 28:31 REALLY -- REALLY WEE IN THAT LIFESTYLE AND LIVED IT FOR 28:35 YEARS, BUT CAME TO THE LORD AND NOW IT'S THEIR MISSION AND 28:38 MINISTRY TO HELP OTHERS WHO ARE THERE, SO HELP SAY, LOOK, YOU 28:42 CAN OVER COME THIS. IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN'T 28:46 OVERCOME, BECAUSE GOD CAN GIVE YOU VICTORY OVER SIN. 28:50 SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO WATCH DARE TO DREAM, LOOK UP THE 28:55 COMING OUT MINISTRIES. THIS CALLER -- WE'LL TRY TO GET 29:00 THROUGH A FEW MORE QUESTIONS. WOW, THE TIME IS GOING SO FAST. 29:04 THIS ONE SAYS IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REPENTANCE IF 29:08 YOU MISSED THE RAPTURE? [ LAUGHTER ] 29:13 >> OKAY. >> FIRST OF ALL THERE IS NO 29:16 RAPTURE. THERE IS NO SECRET RAPTURE, AND 29:18 I THINK THAT'S MORE SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE PERSON IS TALKING 29:21 ABOUT. THERE'S NO SECRET RAPTURE. 29:24 >> I HOPE YOU HAVE SOME SCRIPTURE -- 29:26 >> OH, A LOT OF SCRIPTURE. >> THAT'S WIDELY, WIDELY -- 29:29 >> I'LL START WITH THE OLD TESTAMENT -- SHELLEY GO TO FIRST 29:35 THESSALONIANS -- >> THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, 29:39 AND MY MIND WENT BLANK. >> THIS WA STARTED BY FRANCISCO 29:45 AND LOUISE WHO WERE COMMISSIONED -- 29:47 >> JESUIT PRIESTS. >> JESUIT PRIESTS TO TAKE THE 29:53 EYES OF THE PEOPLE OFF OF THE CHURCH OF ROME IN THE DARK AGES. 29:57 AND THE ANTICHRIST WHO THEY IDENTIFIED CLEARLY, THE CHURCH 30:02 OF ROME IDENTIFIED EVERY CATEGORY. 30:05 EVERY CATEGORY FIT. TO GET THE PEOPLE'S EYES OFF OF 30:09 THE CHURCH THEY COMMISSIONED TWO JESUIT PREACHES TO SAY WHERE ARE 30:17 THEY GOING TO FIT? ALL OF THE PROPHECIES OF 30:25 REVELATION HAPPENED ABOUT THE ANTICHRIST. 30:27 SO THEY POINTED TO THE FUTURE AND SAID, WELL, THIS ANTICHRIST 30:30 IS GOING TO COME IN THE FUTURE AFTER THE RAPTURE, SO 30:35 THEY -- THEY CHOSE A A -- PROPHECY. 30:47 SO ONLY BY CHOOSING THE WRONG DATE IN DANIEL 9 ABOUT THE 30:49 REBUILDING OF JERUSALEM, THEY SAID, WELL, WE FALL ONE WEEK 30:53 SHORT OF THIS PROPHECY BEING FULFILLED, AND THEN THEY SAID AT 30:56 THE BEGINNING OF THIS WEEK, WAY IN THE FUTURE, THE CHURCH IS 31:01 GOING TO BE STHACH -- SNATCHED AWAY, THE ANTICHRIST IS GOING TO 31:08 MAKE A PLEDGE OR PACT WITH THE JEWS AND THE WORLD WILL BE 31:13 CONVERTED. EVEN THE CONTEMPORARIES -- A MAN-BY THE NAME OF -- OH, HIS NAME 31:19 JUST ESCAPED MY MIND. CYRUS SCOFIELD, WHICH WE HAVE 31:32 THE SCOFIELD BIBLE. TODAY IT'S AMAZING -- IT'S NOT A 31:39 SCRIPTURAL TEACHING. THERE IS NO SECRET SNATCHING 31:42 AWAY OF THE CHURCH. >> SO IF SOMEBODY IS VIEWING, 31:46 THEY CAN'T TURN TO CERTAIN SCRIPTURES AND SAY THIS IS THE 31:50 SECRET RAPTURE. >> YEAH. 31:52 OKAY. >> GO AHEAD. 31:53 >> LET ME JUST READ THIS ONE TO YOU, AND THIS IS AN IMPORTANT 31:57 SCRIPTURE. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU TWO 32:02 ACTUALLY. 1ST THESSALONIANS CHAPTER 4, 32:07 BEGINNING WITH VERSE 15, IT SAYS FOR WE SAY THIS TO YOU, BY THE 32:13 WORD OF THE LORD THAT WE WHO ARE LIVE AND REMAIN UNTIL THE COMING 32:19 OF THE LORD JESUS, WILL BE NO MEANS PRECEDE THOSE WHO ARE 32:25 ASLEEP. LET ME STOP HERE. 32:26 THERE IS GOING TO BE TWO CATEGORIES OF PEOPLE. 32:30 THE BIBLE THROUGHOUT THE BIBLE IS TALKING ABOUT THERE ARE 32:33 PEOPLE WHO ARE SLEEPING, JESUS SAID IN JOHN 28 ALL WHO ARE IN 32:39 THE GRAVE WILL HEAR MY VOICE. SO THE BIBLE REFERS TO DEATH AS 32:47 A SLEEP. YOU GO TO SLEEP AND THE NEXT 32:52 CONTRA SPOT YOU HAVE IS JESUS -- YOU HEAR JESUS VOICE. 32:55 BUT HERE HE IS SAYING THERE WILL BE THOSE PEOPLE AND THEN THERE 32:59 WILL BE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN. 33:02 THOSE WHO ARE ALIVE AND REAIN AT THE COMING OF THE LORD, 33:07 AREN'T GOING TO GO INTO CHRIS'S PRESENCE. 33:12 FOR THE LORD HIMSELF WILL DESCEND FROM HEAVEN WITH A 33:17 SHOUT. WITH VOICE OF AN ARC ANGEL. 33:20 DOES THIS SOUND LIKE A SECRET RAPTURE IN 33:23 >> NO. >> THE LIGHTEN WILL GO AS FAR AS 33:26 FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST, AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE HIM. 33:31 EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM. THERE'S EARTHQUAKES. 33:34 IT'S LOUD WITH A SHOUT OF AN ARC ANGEL, WHEN WE ARE ALIVE AND 33:48 REMAIN SHALL BE CAUGHT UP TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR, AND 33:54 THUS, WE SHALL ALWAYS BE WITH THE LORD. 33:56 SO I -- WHEN I GIGGLED ABOUT THE QUESTION, IT IS BECAUSE I WAS 34:01 TAUGHT, AND MANY YEARS BELIEVED IN A SECET RAPTURE AND THIS IS 34:06 THE SCRIPTURE THAT JUST -- I COULD NOT -- 34:10 >> OPENED YOUR EYES. >> YES. 34:13 THIS IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT OPENED UP MY MIND. 34:15 >> AND IF WE BACKED UP A COUPLE OF VERSES, SHELLEY, I LIKE TO 34:20 START WITH VERSE 13. PAUL SAYS I WANT YOU TO KNOW 34:23 WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DIE. HE SAYS I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO 34:26 BE IGNORANT, BUT I DO NOT WANT YOU TO BE IGNORANT BRETHREN, 34:32 CONCERNING THOSE WHO HAVE FALLEN ASLEEP, LEST THOSE WHO HAVE 34:40 FALLEN ASLEEP. NOT THOSE WHO HAVE GONE ON TO 34:43 HEAVEN. AND SOMETHING THAT DEBUNKS THAT 34:46 WHOLE THING, PASTOR JOHN IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT. 34:49 IF YOU DIED AND WENT TO HEAVEN, WHY DOES JESUS NEED TO COME 34:53 BACK? >> HE DOESN'T. 34:54 >> HE DOESN'T NEED TO COME BACK. WHEN HE COMES BACK HE IS COMING 35:03 BACK FOR THOSE WHO ARE SAVED, AND TAKE BACK THOSE ALIVE AND 35:07 LIVING FOR HIM. AND EVERYBODY BELIEVES IN THE 35:09 SECOND COMING, BUT WHY IF YOU ARE ALREADY THERE? 35:12 AND IF THOSE WHO ARE LIVING DIE GO THERE, WHY DOES HE NEED TO 35:16 COME BACK? >> HERE IS THE MOST POPULAR ONE 35:21 I BELIEVE. LET NOT YI HEART BE TROUBLED IN 35:25 MANY FATHER'S HOUSE ARE IN MANSIONS. 35:28 NOW GET THIS, I GO TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU. 35:31 WHAT IS HE DOING? PREPARING A PLACE. 35:35 IF I GO, AND IF I GO TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU, I WILL COME 35:39 AGAIN AND RECEIVE YOU. HE DIDN'T SAY COME JOIN ME 35:44 THERE. I WILL COME AGAIN AND RECEIVE 35:46 YOU TO MYSELF THAT WHERE I AM, THERE YOU MAY BE ALSO. 35:52 NOW THAT'S JOHN 14:1-3. AND IN JOHN 13 HE SAID THIS 35:58 TWICE -- WHY DID HE SAY I'M COMING AGAIN TO RECEIVE YOU? 36:05 BUT WHAT DID HE SAY IN JOHN 13, WHERE I AM GOING, YOU CANNOT 36:10 COME. >> OKAY. 36:10 >> AND THEN HE SAYS? VERSE 36 OF JOHN 13, WHERE I AM 36:15 GOING, YOU CANNOT FOLLOW ME. YOU CAN'T FOLLOW ME. 36:19 WELL, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET THERE? 36:21 I WILL COME AGAIN TO RECEIVE YOU. 36:27 [ INAUDIBLE ] 50, OUR GOD SHALL COME AND SHALL NOT KEEP SILENT. 36:33 A FIRE SHALL DEVOUR FOR HIM. SO IT IS NOT GOING TO BE SILENT. 36:40 THERE'S NO SECRET RAPTURE THAT WAS A THEORY ESPOUSED BY THE 36:48 CHURCH. AND "NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC" DID A 36:50 DOCUMENTARY ON THE SECRET RAPTURE, AND THEY SAID MILLIONS 36:53 OF CHRISTIANS HAVE EMBRACED A BELIEF THAT HAS NO BY 37:02 -- BIBLICAL SUPPORT. >> THAT MEANS IF YOU 37:06 FOLLOW -- YOU DIE, THAT MEANS YOU ARE NOT GOING WITH HIM. 37:09 HE SAYS HE IS GOING TO COME BACK TO GET YOU. 37:16 BECAUSE THIS CORRUPTION MUST END, AND THEN CAN WE GO. 37:20 BECAUSE PEOPLE ALSO WITH THAT RAPTURE, A LOT OF FOLK BELIEVE 37:24 WHEN YOU DIE YOU GO IMMEDIATELY TO HEAVEN OR HELL SO THAT 37:30 SCRIPTURE IS VERY SOLID WITH THAT. 37:31 >> AND TH ONE THEY USE THE MOST, PROBABLY -- ONE OF THE 37:36 MOST IS THAT HE COMES AS A THIEF IN TH NIGHT. 37:39 HE IS GOING TO SLIP IN, AND SLIP BACK OUT, BUT IF WE UNDERSTAND 37:43 THE CONTEXT OF THAT, IF WE READ THE RET OF THAT VERSE IT SAYS 37:48 AND THE EARTH SHALL BE DESTROYED WITH A GREAT NOISE. 37:51 AND ALL OF THAT IS IN THE SAME VERSE. 37:54 >> THAT SIMPLY MEANS HE IS NOT GOING TO SEN YOU A NOTICE. 37:57 >> YEAH, AND THERE HE IS TALKING ABOUT HOW HE COMES AS A THIEF. 38:01 PEOPLE AREN'T AWARE, THE ARE NOT EXPECTING HIM, THEY ARE NOT 38:05 LOOKING FOR HIM. THAT'S THE WAY A THIEF BREAKS 38:09 IN. >> BUT THE RAPTURE SCRIPTURE A 38:12 LOT OF FOLK USE TWO PEOPLE AT THE MILL, ONE WILL BE GRIENING, 38:17 ONE TAKEN AWAY, TWO MEN -- AND THE BAD ONE WILL BE TAKEN. 38:24 I GOT IN TROUBLE A FEW YEARS AGO, WHEN I SAID, WELL, NEITHER 38:29 ONE IS GOING. AND I GOT IN TROUBLE FOR IT. 38:32 >> AND YOU JUST SAID IT AGAIN. >> YEAH. 38:34 I JUST SAID IT AGAIN. BUT I THINK THOSE ARE SCRIPTURES 38:38 THAT PEOPLE HEAR THAT -- >> UH-HUH. 38:42 AND THAT ONE IS SO EASY TO ELABORATE ON. 38:44 IT DOESN'T SAY THE ONE THAT IS LEFT IS LEFT ALIVE TO GO ON 38:50 LIVING. IT SAYS THAT ARE NOT SAVED ARE -DESTROYED BY THE BRIGHTNESS OF 38:56 HIS COMING. HE DIDN'T GO ON LIVING FOR 38:58 ANOTHER SEVEN YEARS. IT WAS OVER. 39:01 >> ALL RIGHT. >> YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF AN 39:06 IMMORTAL SOUL WAS BROUGHT IN AND INTRODUCED ABOUT 197 AD, AND 39:13 THIS WAS BROUGHT IN BY A PAGAN PHILOSOPHER WHO CONVERTED TO 39:20 CHRISTIANITY, AND HE WAS A FOLLOWER OF PLATO AND SOCRATES. 39:26 AND THIS IS WHERE -- WHEN YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SO MANY 39:30 MYTHS IN THE CHURCH THAT ARE BEING TAUGHT AS DOCTRINE, BUT I 39:39 WANTED TO READ 1 KRIN THREEIANS 15. 39:42 PAUL IS SAYING, BEHOLD, I TELL YOU A MYSTERY, WE SHALL NOT ALL 39:49 SLEEP, BUT WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED, SO SLEEP HE IS 39:53 REFERRING TO DEATH. IT SAYS IN A MOMENT, IN THE 39:57 TWINKLING OF AN EYE, AT THE LAST TRUMPET THAT'S WHEN WE ARE GOING 40:01 TO BE CHANGED. FOR THE TRUMPET WILL SOUND, WHEN 40:06 THE TRUMPET SOUNDS THIS IS WHEN JESUS CHRIST IS RETURNING, AND 40:11 THE DEAD WILL BE RAISED INCORRUPTIBLE, AND WE SHALL BE 40:16 CHANGED, FOR THIS CORRUPTIBLE MUST PUT ON INCORRUPTION, AND 40:20 THIS -- MORTAL MUST PUT ON IMMORTALITY. 40:30 GOD ALONE IS IMMORTAL. SO WE PUT ON IMMORTALITY AT THEN 40:35 OF THE TIME, AND IT SAYS WHEN THIS CORRUPTION HAS PUT ON 40:42 INCORRUPTION, AND WHEN THIS MORTAL PUTS ON IMMORTALITY, THEN 40:51 DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP IN VICTORY. 40:54 SO IT IS ALL PART AND PARCEL, I BELIEVE. 40:58 I WAS TAUGHT, YOU DIE, YOU GO STRAIGHT TO HEAVEN. 41:01 I WAS TAUGHT -- I BELIEVED IN THIS SECRET RAPTURE. 41:08 AND PEOPLE WOULD SAY ARE YOU PREMILLENNIALIST OR POST 41:17 MILLENNIALIST? AND I THOUGHT WHO CARES. 41:20 AND NONE OF IT -- NONE OF IT CAN BE SUPPORTED BY THE BIBLE. 41:26 >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 41:27 LET'S SEE. WE HAVE GOT -- JUST ONLY HAVE 41:30 ABOUT 15 MINUTES LEFT. >> I'M TEMPTED TO KEEP 41:33 ANSWERING, BUT I'M GOING TO STOP. 41:35 >> ALL RIGHT. HOW CAN I KNOW IF I HAVE 41:38 COMMITTED THE UNPARDONABLE SIN OR GRIEVED AWAY THE HOLY SPIRIT. 41:43 >> IF YOU ARE ASKING THAT QUESTION, YOU HAVEN'T. 41:46 >> RIGHT. >> THE LORD IS SPEAKING TO THAT 41:48 INDIVIDUAL RIGHT NOW. IF YOU ARE EVEN CONCERNED ABOUT 41:52 WHETHER OR NOT YOU COMMITTED THE IMPARDONABLE SIN, YOU HAVEN'T. 41:57 THE IMPARDONABLE SIN IS JUST PERSISTENTLY REFUSING TO HAVE 42:02 THE SPIRIT -- CONTINUALLY REJECTING THE SPIRIT OF GOD IN 42:07 YOUR LIFE. THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE ONE BY 42:10 WHICH WE ARE SEALED. WHEN YOU SHUT YOUR VOICE OFF TO 42:14 THE ONLY ONE, AND AS THE BIBLE SAYS TO OPEN YOUR HEART TO THE 42:20 INVITATION OF CHRIST IN YOUR LIFE, WHEN YOU SHUT THAT VOICE 42:23 OFF, YOU NO LONGER HERE CHRIST SAYING COME TO BE FORGIVEN, COME 42:30 TO BE SAVED. SO IT IS NOT A SIN OF A PHYSICAL 42:34 NATURE. AMAZINGLY THOUGH, THE BIBLE SAYS 42:38 IF YOU SIN AGAINST CHRIST IT WILL BE FORGIVEN. 42:42 WHAT IS THE SIN? IT'S PERSISTENT REFUSAL. 42:46 THAT'S WHY REVELATION SEVEN TIMES SAYS IF ANYONE HAS AN EAR 42:55 LET THEM HEAR WHAT THIS SPIRIT SAYS FROM THE CHURCH. 43:03 >> ONE OF MY FAVORITE STORIES IN THE BIBLE IS ABOUT KING 43:11 HEZEKIAH, AND HE WHALED AND PLEADED WITH THE LORD, AND THE 43:18 LORD GAVE HIM ANOTHER 15 YEARS. AND THEN MANASA IS A HORRIBLE, 43:27 HORRIBLE KING, AND THE BLOOD WAS RUNNING THROUGH THE STREETS OF 43:32 JERUSALEM WHEN HE ACTUALLY PASSED HIS OWN CHILDREN THROUGH 43:35 THE FIRE. HE DID CHILD SACRIFICES. 43:40 HE WAS HORRIBLE. HE TURNED ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN 43:45 THE KINGDOM AWAY FROM GOD. AND THIS WAS THE MOST WICKED 43:51 MAN, AND GOD LET HIM BE CAPTURED. 43:54 THEY TOOK HIM OFF WITH A HOOK IN HIS NOSE. 43:56 AND IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU GET TO THAT PART. 43:59 IT'S LIKE, YAY! GOD GOT HIM. 44:03 YOU KNOW? [ LAUGHTER ] 44:03 >> YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS? WELL, HE IS IN CAPTIVITY. 44:08 THIS WICKED MAN WHO COMMITTED INIQUITY FOR TWO MANY YEARS. 44:14 WHILE HE IS IN CAPTIVITY, HE COMES TO HIMSELF AND ASKS GOD 44:18 FOR FORGIVENESS, AND NOT ONLY DOES GOD FORGIVE HIM, GOD 44:24 DELIVERS HIM, RESTORES THE KINGDOM TO HIM, AND THEN 44:27 HERE -- HERE IS THE SAD PART, THOUGH. 44:32 MANASA WAS NOW A GOD-FEARING MAN, AND HE TRIES TO -- HE TRIES 44:38 TO BREAK DOWN THE ALTERS. HE TRIES TO TURN THE TIDES OF 44:42 WHAT HE HAD CREATED, AND HE JUST NEVER COULD. 44:46 AND THEN MANASA DIED AND SLEPT WITH HIS FATHERS IS WHAT THE 44:51 BIBLE SAYS. SO HE -- HE HIMSELF -- HE WAS 44:55 SAVED BY GRACE, BUT HE -- WHAT HE PUT INTO ACTION, HE COULDN'T 45:01 STOP. >> OKAY. 45:01 WE MAY HAVE TIME FOR JUST ONE MORE. 45:04 IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE BIT. WE'LL DO IT AS QUICKLY AS WE 45:08 CAN. THIS ONE, DOES MAN HAVE A SOUL, 45:11 PLEASE EXPLAIN, BODY, SOUL, AND SPIRIT. 45:16 HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> VERY SIMPLE. 45:20 >> GO AHEAD. >> GENESIS 2:7, THE LORD GOD 45:25 FORMED MAN FROM THE DUST OF THE GROUND. 45:28 BREATHED INTO HIS NOSTRILS THE BREATH OF LIFE, AND MAN BECAME A 45:34 LIVING SOUL. >> SO DOES MAN HAVE A SOUL OR HE 45:37 IS A SOUL. >> HE IS A SOUL. 45:39 >> HE IS A SOUL. >> THE COMBINATION OF BODY PLUS 45:43 THE LIFE-GIVING BREATH OF JESUS MAKES US A LIVING SOUL. 45:48 JOB 27:3 MAKES THAT VERY CLEAR. BECAUSE THE LORD DIDN'T PUT A 45:53 SOUL INTO MAN. HE CREATED MAN TO BE A LIVING 45:56 SOUL. SO THERE'S NOTHING INSIDE OF ME 45:59 THAT'S JUST HANGING OUT THERE. WAITING FOR ME TO DIE AND GO 46:05 SOMEPLACE ELSE.-EZEKIEL 18:4, THE SOUL THAT IS IN US THAT SHALL DIE. 46:12 SO THERE'S NO IMMORTAL SOUL. GO AHEAD, SHELLEY, ADD TO THAT. 46:18 >> YEAH, AND IT'S MORE LIKE A FIGURE OF SPEECH. 46:22 IN FIRST THESSALONIANS 5:23, BEAUTIFUL SKRIMTURE, SAYS, NOW 46:29 MAY THE GOD OF PEACE HIMSELF SANCTITIFY YOU COMPLETELY, AND 46:34 MAY YOUR WHOLE, SPIRIT, SOUL AND BODY, THAT IS ALL OF MAN, THAT 46:40 IS INDIVISIBLE. IN THAT IS ALL OF MAN, BUT IT'S 46:47 INDEVISIBLE. YOU CAN'T HAVE A SOL WITHOUT 46:49 THE BODY, YOU CAN'T HAVE A SPIRIT WITHOUT THE BODY. 46:54 MAY GOD SANCTITIFY YOU COMPLETELY. 47:00 SO IT'S MORE OF A -- A FIGURE OF SPEECH TO TALK ABOUT 47:07 COMPLETENESS. >> OKAY. 47:10 RONNY? >> I WAS THINKING ABOUT YOU CAN 47:14 YOUR CARPENTRY BACKGROUND. A TRUCK CAME OUT AND HE BRINGS A 47:19 BIG PILE OF LUMBER. WE TAKE THE LUMBER AND THE NAILS 47:24 AND THE HAMMER AND THE SAW, AND WE DRIVE A HOUSE. 47:29 BUT WE CAN TAKE THE CROWBAR AND START PULLING THE BOARDS BACK 47:35 OFF, WELL, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE HOUSE? 47:38 IT'S BACK TO THE ELEMENTS WE STARTED WITH. 47:40 SAME THING AS THE BODY, YOU KNOW, THE BREATH OF LIFE AND THE 47:45 BODY BECAME A LIVING SOUL. BUT YOU SEPARATE THEM, AND THEN 47:48 THE SOUL IS GONE. >> AND WE CAN USE -- PART OF 47:52 THEIR LAST QUESTION WAS ABOUT HELL. 47:55 DOES IT BURN FOREVER. AND YOU COULD USE THAT SAME 47:58 ILLUSTRATION THAT YOUR HOUSE CATCHES ON FIRE, IT BURNS DOWN. 48:09 BUT IT DOESN'T BURN FOREVER. IT IS GONE. 48:12 IT BURNS UP OR DOWN, AS YOU SAY, THERE IS NOTHING LEFT. 48:18 BUT THAT'S A GRET ILLUSTRATION. NAILS AND LUMBER MAKE A HOUSE, 48:22 BUT WHEN YOU TAKE THE NAILS AND LUMBER, YOU JUST HAVE NAILS AND 48:26 LUMBER AND YOU DON'T HAVE A HOUSE ANYMORE. 48:29 >> ROMANS 6:23. I USE THAT SCRIPTURE -- I KNOW 48:36 MALACHI IS ANOTHER ONE. MALACHI CHAPTER 4 -- CHAPTER 3. 48:43 >> I'LL GIVE NOTICE TO OUR CREW, IF WE HAVE A CHANCE, IT MIGHT BE 48:48 GOOD TO END ON THIS GREAT SONG, "PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME," AND 48:56 WE'LL DO THAT AFTER THIS. BUT GO AHEAD. 48:59 >> I WAS TALKING ABOUT IT, AND THEN YOU MENTIONED THE 49:03 SONG -- IT JUST LEFT ME. >> IN THE GREEK, EVER LASTING, 49:07 OR ETERNAL IS AONUS, AND IT IS -- IT IS A RELATIVE TERM, IT 49:15 IS TERMED BY THE OBJECT IT IS MODIFYING. 49:18 SO IF IT IS TALKING ABOUT ETERNAL FIRE OF LIKE SODAM AND 49:26 GOMORRAH, IT SAYS IT IS AN EXAMPLE OF ETERNAL FIRE, WELL, 49:31 BECAUSE IT WAS TALKING ABOUT AN OBJECT THAT IS MORE TALL OR 49:37 PERISHABLE. SODDAM AND GOMORRAH -- THOSE 49:40 CITIES AREN'T STILL ON FIRE. SO WHE YOU USE AOWN US TO 49:46 DESCRIBE A MAN OR A CITY, THEN THAT MEANS THE FIRE LASTS -- IT 49:50 HAS ETERNAL RESULTS. IT LASTS AS LONG AS IT TAKES TO 49:55 DESTROY, FOR TOTAL DESTRUCTION. IF YOU USE AONUS IN REFERENCE TO 50:02 GOD, THAT MEANS WITHOUT END. SO IF YOU SAY ETERNAL OR EVER 50:07 LASTING LIFE. >> THAT'S ANOTHER SUBJECT. 50:11 WE'LL WANT TO DO MORE OF THESE BIBLE STUDIES. 50:16 SO WHY DON'T WE RIGHT NOW, AND IN CLOSING, WE'LL MAYBE HAVE A 50:20 MINUTE OR SO LEFT, BUT WE WANT TO GO TO YVONNE SINGING "PRAISE 50:28 HIS HOLY NAME." ♪ 51:29 ♪ PRAISE THE LORD ♪ ♪ FROM WHOM ALL THINGS FLOW ♪ 51:43 ♪ FOR HE HAS WASHED AND MADE ME WHAT I KNOW ♪ 51:56 ♪ I'M REDEEMED ♪ ♪ OF MY SIN AND SHAME ♪ 52:11 ♪ FOR NOW AND FOREVER ♪ ♪ PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME ♪ 52:23 ♪ PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME ♪ ♪ PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME ♪ 52:36 ♪ TO GOD BE THE GLORY NOW AND FOREVER ♪ 52:44 ♪ PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME ♪ 53:11 ♪ ♪ GOD IS GREAT ♪ 53:31 ♪ 53:49 ♪ ♪ PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME ♪ 54:11 ♪ PRAISE HIS HOLY ♪ ♪ PRAISE HIS HOLY ♪ 54:21 ♪ TO GOD BE THE GLORY NOW AND FOREVER ♪ 54:29 ♪ PRAISE HIS HOLY ♪ ♪ PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME ♪ 54:45 ♪ PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME ♪ ♪ TO GOD BE THE GLORY ♪ 54:52 ♪ TO GOD BE THE GLORY ♪ ♪ TO GOD BE THE GLORY ♪ 54:58 ♪ TO GOD BE THE GLORY ♪ ♪ TO GOD BE TH GLORY ♪ 55:07 ♪ NOW AND FOREVER ♪ ♪ PRAISE HIS HOLY ♪ 55:23 ♪ HIS HOLY ♪ ♪ NAME ♪ 55:30 ♪ PRAISE HIS HOLY ♪ ♪ PRAISE HIS HOLY ♪ 55:37 ♪ PRAISE HIS NAME ♪ ♪ PRAISE HIS NAME ♪ 55:50 ♪ TO GOD BE THE GLORY ♪ ♪ NOW AND FOREVER ♪ 55:58 ♪ PRAISE ♪ ♪ HIS ♪ 56:06 ♪ HOLY NAME ♪ 56:16 [ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ] >> ALLELUIA! 56:20 >> AMEN. PRAISE THE LORD. 56:21 >> AMEN. >> THANK YOU YVONNE. 56:24 JUST BEAUTIFUL. WHAT A WONDERFUL TALENT. 56:29 AND WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR JOINING US HERE. 56:31 AND WE DID TO DO THIS MORE OFTEN. 56:34 DO MORE OF THE LIVE BIBLE STUDY AND LET YOU ALL DICTATE WHAT OUR 56:39 CONVERSATIONS ARE. I WANT TO THANK YOU AIL -- ALL 56:45 FOR BEING HERE, AND WHAT YOU DO FOR THE CAUSE OF GOD ON EARTH. 56:50 AND FOR THOSE OF YOU AT HOME, I KNOW GOD HAS CALLED YOU FOR 56:55 SOMETHING BIG. OUR TIME IS ALL GONE FOR 56:58 TONIGHT, BUT UNTIL WE SEE YOU THE NEXT TIME, MAY THE LORD 57:06 RICHLY BLESS YOU ABUNDANTLY MORE THAN YOU COULD ASK. 57:09 >> AMEN. ♪ |
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