Participants: Danny Shelton (Host), Yvonne Lewis (Host), Danielle Harrison, Michael Carducci, Ron Woolsey, Wayne Blakely
Series Code: TL
Program Code: TL017507B
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00:06 ♪ >> WELCOME BACK TO OUR SPECIAL
00:15 BROADCAST THIS EVENING CAN COMING OUT MINISTRIES AND 00:17 "JOURNEY INTERRUPTED." I'M BEING SO BLESSED BY THIS. 00:19 >> OH, ABSOLUTELY. AND -- AND IT'S AMAZING TO 00:24 SEE -- I ALWAYS LOVE STORIES WHEN -- TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT YOU 00:28 KNOW WHAT, NO MATTER WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME, I HAVE READ THE 00:31 BACK OF THE BOOK, AND IT SAYS WE WIN. 00:34 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> WHEN YOU READ THE BACK OF THE 00:36 BOOK, IT SAYS WE WIN. IT'S ALL ABOUT A CHOICE, SO NO 00:42 MATTER WHAT YOU ARE IMPRISONED WITH, YOU CAN BE DELIVERED, 00:47 BECAUSE THE BACK OF THE BOOK SAYS THEY OVERCAME HIM BY THE 00:50 BLOOD OF THE LAMB AND THE WORD OF THE TESTIMONY. 00:53 >> AMEN. >> AND THEREFORE, JESUS IS 00:55 COMING BACK FOR A PURIFIED BRIDE, A PURIFIED CHURCH, BUT IF 00:59 WE -- IF WE'RE IN BABYLON, WE TALK ABOUT AS SEVENTH-DAY 01:05 ADVENTIST CHRISTIANS, WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME OUT OF BABYLON. 01:09 WE HAVE ALL OF THESE COMMANDMENTS THAT WE BELIEVE GOD 01:14 GAVE 10, THEY ARE NOT A S'MORE GUS BOARD, BU WITHIN THE CHURCH 01:24 WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS, SAME-SEX MARRIAGE AND GAY AND 01:30 LESBIAN CULTURE HAS BEEN SO READILY ACCEPTABLE. 01:34 BUT WE TALK ABOUT WE HAVE TO KEEP THESE COMMAND S, AND 01:37 ANOTHER TIME WE'LL TALK ABOUT A ABORTION, WHICH IS KILLING THE 01:43 MOST DEFENSELESS HUMANS ON EARTH, THAT WE OVERLOOK THAT AS 01:49 A PEOPLE. HOW CAN WE DO THAT? 01:52 WE ALL HAVE SIN, AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD. 01:58 AND WHAT THEY ARE PRESENTING -- NO MATTER WHAT YOU 02:01 ARE IMPRISONED WITH -- YOU SAID IT WILL GIVE YOU LIBERTY WHEN WE 02:06 SERVE THE LORD. THAT'S THE ONLY REAL LIBERTY 02:09 THERE IS. I VISITED PRISON, AND IN THE 02:12 PRISON -- I HAD NEVER BEEN TO ONE, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO I WAS 02:16 INSIDE, AND I AM A LITTLE CLASS ROW PHOBIC, AND I THOUGHT THIS 02:23 IS TERRIBLE. AND PEOPLE CAME IN FOR CHURCH 02:27 SERVICE, AND THEY GOT UP ONE AFTER ANOTHER, AND ONE SAID I 02:32 ONCE WAS BLIND BUT NOW I CAN SEE. 02:34 SINCE I HAVE BEEN IN HERE, I FOUND JESUS, AND NOW I SEE, SO 02:38 FOR THOSE OF YOU OUT THERE WHO THINK THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE 02:43 FREE -- YOU ARE NOT FREE, BECAUSE IN HERE, I'M FREE. 02:46 AND I WAS IN PRISON OUTSIDE. >> WOW. 02:48 >> ISN'T THAT AMAZING? >> YEAH. 02:51 >> AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU GUYS. 02:54 YOU THOUGHT YOU WANTED FREEDOM -- AND GIRLS -- 02:57 [ LAUGHTER ] >> AND WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WAS 03:01 IT SARAH THAT IS NOT HERE TONIGHT -- 03:04 >> ANNA. >> ANNA. 03:08 AND WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT HER TOO. 03:11 BUT YOU ARE SHOWING US CHOICES, THAT IF YOU ARE WILLING TO 03:17 SUBMIT AND COMMIT YOUR LIFE TO JESUS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BEEN 03:21 SLAVED BY ANYTHING. THAT JESUS CAN GIVE YOU POWER 03:24 AND VICTORY OVER ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE. 03:25 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> SO THIS IS NOT JUST FOR ALL 03:29 OF YOU TO SAY I DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM. 03:31 I'M NOT GAY, AND NVER HAVE BEEN. 03:33 THIS IS FOR EVERYBODY. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 03:35 >> THIS IS MUCH BIGGER -- AND WE'RE NOT EVEN TARGETING -- THEY 03:39 ARE NOT TARGETING ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE. 03:41 THEY ARE TARGETING THAT SIN ABOUNDS EVERYWHERE, BUT GRACE 03:46 DOTH ABOUND MUCH MORE. >> AMEN. 03:49 >> AND THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN WILLING TO STAND UP AND 03:52 GIVE THEIR TESTIMONY WHEN IT'S NOT POPULAR. 03:54 BECAUSE MANY, MANY PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY CHRISTIANS AND IN 03:58 CHURCHES, WHETHER IT'S OUR CHURCH OR OTHERS, YOU DO NOT 04:00 WANT -- I MEAN THIS TAKES A LOT OF STRENGTH, AND YOU COULDN'T DO 04:04 IT ON YOUR OWN, AND THESE GUYS ARE SAYING THIS IS WHERE I WAS. 04:08 YOU KNOW WHY THEY ARE DOING IT? TO HELP ALL OF US. 04:12 IT'S HELPING ME. AND THAT'S WHAT I TOLD YVONNE. 04:16 AND I SAID THIS IS SO GOOD -- WE WATCHED THIS AT HOME SOME TIME 04:22 AGO, AND I SAID THIS IS GOOD FOR ME, BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING TOO 04:28 GREAT THAT GOD WON'T LISTEN TO IT, AND NOTHING TOO SMALL THAT 04:32 HE WEREN'T HEAR IT. SO I'M GOING TO STOP TALKING AT 04:35 THIS POINT -- >> I'M LOVING IT. 04:39 IT'S GREAT. NO, IT'S GREAT. 04:41 >> ACTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK TO THE FILM TO WATCH THE 04:44 LAST PART OF IT -- >> UH-HUH. 04:47 >> AND WHILE YOU ARE WATCHING, PLEASE SEND IN YOUR QUESTIONS, 04:50 COMMENTS ALL OF THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY. 04:52 >> YOU CAN CALL, 618-627-4651, OR YOU CAN EMAIL US AT 05:00 LIVE@3ABN.TV. AND THE PANEL HERE -- THE COMING 05:05 OUT MINISTRIES TEAM WILL ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS. 05:07 I'M SURE WE PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF THEM. 05:11 SO DARE TO DREAMERS, 3ABNERS, ALL OF YOU CALL IN, EMAIL 05:16 WHATEVER. AND LET'S WATCH THE REST OF THE 05:20 FILM.-♪ >> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I 05:22 GOT BAPTIZED AND I CAME UP OUT OF THAT WATER READY TO DATE AND 05:29 MARRY WOMEN, BUT THAT JUST WAS NOT MY -- MY REACTION, AND I 05:32 THINK ANYONE REALIZES THAT -- THAT WHEN THEY GET 05:36 BAPTIZED, ABOUT 15 MINUTES LATER YOU REALIZE THAT GOD DOESN'T 05:41 TAKE AWAY YOUR HISTORY OR MEMORY. 05:44 >> THE QUESTION COMES TO MIND, DO YOU GO UNDER THE WATER GAY 05:48 AND COME UP STRAIGHT? THANKFULLY I THINK GOD PREPPED 05:52 ME FOR THAT. HE WANTED ME TO GIVE THE SEX 05:54 OVER TO HIM, BUT THAT WASN'T GOING TO BE THE ISSUE THAT WE 05:57 WERE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH, WE WERE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH 06:02 DEVELOPING INTIMACY WITH HIM, AND HIM BEING IN CHARGE OF ALL 06:07 ASPECTS OF MY LIFE. SO I CERTAINLY WASN'T TEMPTED 06:11 JUST BY SEXUAL ISSUES, AND BY ATTAINING A GIRLFRIEND OR WIFE, 06:16 WAS CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO PUT -- LIKE AN AFFIRMATION THAT, 06:21 OH, NOW I'M REDEEMED, BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAINLY PROBABLY A 06:25 LOT OF PEOPLE VIEWING THIS TODAY THAT ARE SAYING, MARRIAGE ISN'T 06:29 THE AN DOTE FOR SIN. >> AS I TELL THIS PART OF MY 06:34 STORY, I HAVE BEEN ASKED MANY TIMES, DID THE LORD JUST TAKE 06:40 HOMOSEXUALITY AWAY FROM YOU? AND I SAID, WELL, NO, HE DIDN'T. 06:45 AND I TALKED TO MANY FRIENDS, PEOPLE WHO SAY, I HAVE PRAYED 06:52 FOR YEARS THAT THE LORD TAKE THIS WAY, AND HE DOESN'T, SO HE 06:56 MUST WANT ME TO BE THIS WAY. >> AM I STILL TEMPTED? 06:59 ARE YOU KIDDING ME? MY RESPONSE TO PEOPLE TODAY THAT 07:03 THINK I SHOULDN'T BE BECAUSE I GAVE MY LIFE TO CHRIST, 07:07 JUST -- WELL, ARE YOU? YOU SEE WHY WOULD IT BE FAIR FOR 07:11 JESUS TO TAKE MY TEMPTATIONS AWAY, AND NO TAKE YOURS AWAY. 07:17 >> I GAVE UP ON GOD, BECAUSE HE DID NOT REMOVE MY TENDENCIES, 07:22 INCLINATIONS AND TEMPTATIONS, BUT AS I STUDIED HIS WORD, I 07:27 NEVER COULD FIND ANY PROMISES THAT HE DOES REMOVE TEMPTATION. 07:33 THAT'S NOT HIS ROLE. JESUS CAME TO SAVE HIS PEOPLE 07:36 FROM THEIR SINS, AND HE PROMISES THAT HIS GRACE IS SUFFICIENT. 07:41 >> I WANT ANYONE TO KNOW THAT HAS LIVED IN THE GAY CULTURE FOR 07:48 A VERY LONG TIME, THAT IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO GO BACK TO CHRIST 07:52 AND SEEK HIS WILL INSTEAD OF WHAT COMES NATURALLY TO YOU, 07:56 I'LL TELL YOU WHO IS GOING TO TRY TO GET IN THE WAY, AND 07:59 THAT'S THE DEVIL. HE DOESN'T GIVE UP EASILY. 08:03 >> I WAS DESPERATE TO BE SECURE IN MY SIN. 08:06 I DID WHATEVER I COULD -- TELL ME LIES. 08:09 TELL ME LIES. LIE TO ME. 08:11 TELL ME THAT I CAN STILL KEEP MY BOYFRIEND AND -- AND KEEP MY 08:15 SAVIOR, AND YOU KNOW SOMETHING, I -- I WAS SINCERELY SEEKING 08:20 JESUS, BECAUSE I WAS EXPERIENCING HIM, AND IF I CHOSE 08:23 TO KEEP MY IDENTITY, I COULD, BUT I COULD NOT DENY THE FACT 08:28 THAT HIS WORD SAYS THAT IT IS A SIN THAT IT SEPARATES ME; THAT 08:33 IT'S DAMAGING; THAT IT -- IT DOESN'T GIVE ME ULTIMATE 08:38 FULFILLMENT. >> WHEN WE GO BACK TO THE WORD 08:40 OF GOD THE QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ASKED, IS, IS THIS A 08:45 RELATIONSHIP THAT PLEASES GOD? BECAUSE IF THERE'S ONLY ONE 08:49 PERSON THAT IS NEEDED TO LAY THE DECEPTION AND YOU BELIEF IT, HE 08:53 HAS GOT YOU. >> YOU KNOW, GOD GAVE US THE 08:57 BIBLE TO SHOW US WHERE THE SAFETY LIES. 09:01 HE GAVE US HIS COMMANDMENTS FOR INSTRUCTION FOR US TO STAY SAFE, 09:07 SO STAY AWAY FROM THE THINGS THAT WILL ONLY WOUND US AND 09:11 BRING DEATH INTO OUR LIVES. >> JESUS SAID, YES, YOU ARE 09:15 GOING TO HAVE TEMPTATIONS IN LIFE, BUT I DON'T FORCE YOU TO 09:19 ACT ON THESE TEMPTATIONS, AND WAYNE YOU ACTED ON THEM FOR MANY 09:23 YEARS OF YOUR LIFE, SO I HAVE THE STAIN OF SIN ON ME. 09:26 I HAVE SCARS ON ME. >> SIN IS BONDAGE, SO ANYTHING 09:30 THAT GOD DESCRIBES IN HIS WORD AS BONDAGE, HE -- HE DOESN'T 09:35 WANT ME TO PARTAKE IN IT, SO I CAN HAVE TRUE FREEDOM AND 09:42 LIBERTY. >> CHRIST CAME TO COVER THAT 09:44 CHASM THAT HAS BEEN OPENED UP AS A RESULT OF SIN. 09:47 CHRIST BRIDGES THAT GAP AND ALLOWS US TO COME BACK TO GOD 09:50 AND EXPERIENCE ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH HIM WITH GOD. 09:53 >> IF A VISITOR COMES TO OUR CHURCH, I WANT HIM TO -- TO FIND 09:58 IT A SAFE PLACE TO HEAR THE WORDS OF JESUS IN THEIR PURITY. 10:03 WE NEVER KNOW WHEN SOMEONE MIGHT COME INTO OUR CHURCH THAT REALLY 10:09 DESPERATELY NEEDS HELP SPIRITUALLY, AND -- AND OUR 10:14 CHURCHES NEED TO BE SAFE PLACES FOR THEM TO FINE HEALING FOR 10:18 THEIR SOULS, TO FIND VICTORY IN JESUS CHRIST. 10:22 >> BECAUSE IT'S TIME FOR US TO TALK ABOUT THIS. 10:25 IT'S TIME FOR US TO OFFER HELP TO THE CHURCH MEMBERS TO BE ABLE 10:28 TO RELATE, AND IT'S TIME TO OFFER HELP TO THE PEOPLE WHO 10:32 FEEL THEY NEED CHANGE IN THEIR LIFE, AND THAT THEY WANT TO 10:35 OVERCOME THIS, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO 10:38 SHARE THIS KIND OF MINISTRY. >> IT WAS AMAZING TO 10:41 ME -- I -- I STILL MARVEL AT HOW THE LORD WORKED IN MY LIFE. 10:48 WITHIN ONE YEAR AFTER MY LEAVING THE GUY LIFE, I WAS SURPRISED AT 10:53 HOW THE LORD LEAD ME INTO MEETING A LADY THAT I HAD KNOWN 11:00 SINCE CHILDHOOD, THE LORD BROUGHT US TOGETHER. 11:04 WE DATED. WE BECAME ENGAGED. 11:06 WE MARRIED. I PRAYED EARNESTLY THAT THE LORD 11:13 WOULD GIVE ME A SECOND CHANCE WITH FAMILY, BECAUSE I HAD 11:17 SQUANDERED THE BEAUTIFUL GIFT OF FAMILY THAT HE HAD GIVEN ME IN 11:20 MY YOUTH, AND THE LORD HAS SINCE BLESSED US WITH TWO BEAUTIFUL 11:25 CHILDREN. >> EVEN THOUGH I HAVE ALSO HAD 11:28 ATTRACTIONS TO MEN, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S JUST IMMEDIATELY 11:32 EASY FOR ME, AND I CAN JUST GO AND FIND A HUSBAND AND MOVE 11:37 FORWARD IN LIFE. I HAVE CHOSEN TO NOT ALLOW 11:40 MYSELF TO BE FOCUSED ON SEXUALITY ANYMORE. 11:43 NOT ALLOW MYSELF TO BE FOCUSED ON MARRIAGE ANYMORE. 11:47 BUT TO JUST PLACE MY LIFE COMPLETELY IN THE HANDS OF GOD. 11:50 I HAVE PURPOSE IN MY HEART THAT SEXUALITY AND MARRIAGE WILL NOT 11:54 BE A FOCUS IN MY LIFE ANYMORE. >> I'M STILL VERY CONVINCED THAT 12:01 THE BIBLE IS TRUTH. AND IF I WERE TO GO BACK FULLY 12:06 TO RELIGION, IT WOULD ONLY BE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS. 12:09 IF IT SAYS IT, AND I'M GOING TO BE RELIGIOUS, I'M GOING TO DO 12:14 IT.-IT'S JUST COMING TO PINT WHERE I'M READY TO SAY I WANT MY LIFE 12:19 TO LINE UP WITH THE BIBLE. IT IS NOT LINING UP, SO I'M 12:22 GOING TO GIVE THESE THINGS UP. LIKE, I'M JUST NOT THERE YET. 12:26 >> WHAT HAS A GAY PERSON DOES IT MEAN TO COME BACK AND GIVE YOUR 12:32 LIFE TO JESUS? IF THAT MEANS BEING LONELY FOR 12:35 THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. I KNOW THIS IS WHAT A LOT OF GAY 12:40 PEOPLE HAVE CONTEMPLATED, AND WHAT A LOT OF HETEROSEXUAL 12:45 PEOPLE HAVE GONE AS FAR AS TO SAY THAT'S NOT FAIR. 12:49 IT'S BEEN SOMETHING I HAVE GRAPPLED WITH IN MY EXPERIENCE 12:52 OF WALKING BACK WITH JESUS CHRIST TODAY. 12:55 BUT THE PROMISE FROM JESUS IS THAT HE WILL NEVER LEAVE US, AND 13:00 NEVER FORSAKE US, AND THAT EVEN IN OUR DARKEST HOURS WHEN OUR 13:04 FEELINGS TELL US THAT WE'RE ALONE, IT'S STILL A LIE FROM THE 13:09 ENEMY, BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS THAT JESUS DOES SAY THAT HE IS STILL 13:14 THERE. >> MY SEXUAL PREFERENCE WAS 13:17 ALWAYS SAME-SEX. I NEVER EXPERIENCED ANYTHING 13:19 ELSE. AND MY ORIENTATION NOW IS NOT IN 13:22 MY SEXUAL DESIRES, AND I MAY STRUGGLE WITH ATTRACTIONS TO THE 13:27 SAME-SEX FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. 13:28 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW IS THAT WHENEVER I FEEL 13:33 EMASCULATED, WHENEVER I FEEL LIKE I DON'T MEASURE UP AS A 13:37 MAN, THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS SAME-SEX ATTRACTION STARTS TO 13:42 COME BACK. AND SO WHAT I DO IS I CAN GO TO 13:44 MY FATHER, AND GET DOWN ON MY KNEES AND SAY LORD, WILL YOU 13:48 REMIND ME AGAIN THAT I'M YOUR MAN. 13:51 WILL YOU REMIND ME AGAIN, THAT YOU MADE ME MALE FOR A REASON, 13:54 AND HE'S QUICK TO RESPOND, AND YES, MIKE, YOU ARE MY MAN. 13:59 ♪ >> I SHARE MY TESTIMONY TODAY, 14:03 THERE'S MANY PEOPLE THAT COME AND IDENTIFY WITH THE FACT THAT, 14:07 HEY, I'M NOT GAY, BUT YOU WERE CERTAINLY TALKING TO ME, BECAUSE 14:11 YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SURRENDER, ABOUT ABIDING IN 14:15 JESUS CHRIST, ABOUT SUBMITTING YOURSELF TO JESUS AND LETTING 14:19 HIM HAVE CONTROL. AND SO TODAY AS I IDENTIFY IN A 14:25 NEW LIFE WITH JESUS CHRIST, I HAVE TO SAY THAT -- THAT MY 14:29 IDENTITY IS THAT -- THA I AM INDEED A NEW CREATURE, WHICH IS 14:34 WHAT 2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 TELLS ME. 14:38 >> 2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 THEREFORE IF ANY MAN BE IN CHRIST, HE IS A 14:45 NEW CREATURE. HE IS A NEW CREATION. 14:48 IF WE ARE IN CHRIST, WE ARE A NEW CREATION, A NEW CREATURE. 14:53 WHEN I USE THAT ARGUMENT ALL OF THOSE YEARS THAT I WAS BORN THIS 14:58 WAY, JESUS HAS A COMEBACK TO THAT. 15:00 HE SIMPLY SAYS, WELL, THEN BE BORN AGAIN. 15:04 YOU KNOW, STOP BLAMING YOUR HERITAGE EVEN IF YOU ARE BORN 15:08 THAT WAY, JESUS CAME TO SHOW US THAT WE CAN BE BORN AGAIN, AND 15:14 WE CAN START OVER. >> THE 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9 THROUGH 15:22 11. A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE HEARD 9 15:24 AND 10 THAT TELLS US WHO WILL BE RECEIVED INTO HEAVEN AND WHO 15:28 WON'T BE, AND IT'S CLEAR THAT HE SAYS THAT HOMOSEXUALS WILL NOT 15:35 ENTER INTO HEAVEN. BUT VERSE 11 SAYS SUCH WERE SOME 15:39 OF YOU. THAT TELLS ME THERE HAS TO BE 15:43 HEALING. THERE HAS TO BE AN 15:44 UNDERSTANDING. THERE HAS TO BE A CHANGE. 15:46 WHAT IS THE CHANGE? IS IT FROM GAY TO STRAIGHT? 15:53 NO. IT'S ABOUT ALLOWING JESUS TO 15:56 COME INTO YOUR LIFE AND TO DEVELOP THAT INTIMACY WITH HIM, 16:00 GETTING TO KNOW HIM, AND SEEKING TO DO HIS WILL. 16:03 >> IF HE IS WHO I HAVE BEEN READING THAT HE IS, IT ALL MAKES 16:08 SENSE. LIKE HE IS ALL KNOWING AND ALL 16:10 LOVING, AND WILLING TO TAKE YOU BACK, AND IT'S NICE TO HAVE 16:16 SOMEBODY WHO -- IF I DON'T WANT HIM THERE, HE IS NOT GOING TO 16:19 PUSH, BUT IF I DO, HE'S COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY WILLING 16:23 TO JUST PICK ME UP, DUST ME OFF, AND WALK WITH ME. 16:28 >> WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE UP FOR JESUS CHRIST? 16:30 WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE UP FOR PLEASE HIM? 16:34 WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO DO THAT WILL BRING GLORY AND HONOR TO 16:38 HIS NAME? AND IF IT'S TOO MUCH FOR YOU, IF 16:42 YOU WANT TO CLAIM TO SOMETHING THAT IT APPEARS THAT DOESN'T 16:46 BRING HIM HONOR AND GLORY, HE WON'T TAKE IT OUT OF YOUR HAND 16:53 HANDS, HE'LL INVITE YOU WITH THE DECISION. 16:57 EVEN THOUGH WE ARRIVED WITH A FALLEN NATURE AND THE STAIN OF 17:01 SIN ON US, HE HAS GIVEN US THE POWER OF CHOICE. 17:05 I CAN CHOOSE FOR HIM OR CHOOSE FOR SELF. 17:12 >> I WANT GOD TO SHOW ME WHEN I REALLY STARTED OPENING UP 17:16 MYSELF, THAT WHAT I GET IS NOT REJECTION, BUT ACCEPTANCE, 17:24 BELONGING, LOVE, PEACE, SAFETY. BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT, NOW THAT 17:28 I HAVE TOLD YOU MY WHOLE UGLY STORY, SOMEBODY COULD WALK UP TO 17:33 ME AND SAY, MIKE, YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A FAGGOT, AND I 17:38 WOULD SAY WITHOUT JESUS CHRIST YOU ARE RIGHT. 17:40 THAT'S WOULD BE ALL I WOULD BE. BUT I DON'T DESERVE WHAT GOD HAS 17:47 GIVEN ME. BUT I PRAISE HIM EACH AND EVERY 17:50 DAY THAT HE HAS GIVEN ME SOMETHING ABOVE AND BEYOND 17:52 ANYTHING THAT I EVER FELT THAT I DESERVED OR THAT I COULD EVER 17:57 ATTAIN TO, ALL BECAUSE I ACCEPTED THE GIFT OF HIS SON 18:01 JESUS AND THE SACRIFICE THAT WAS MADE FOR ME. 18:04 FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE, I TRULY AM WHO I AM. 18:09 ♪ 18:28 ♪ THAT LONG BATTLE MUST NOW BE HEARD ♪ 18:31 ♪ NO MORE NEED TO BE BRAVE ♪ ♪ FOR THOUGH WE WALKED THROUGH 18:43 DARKEST LIGHT ♪ ♪ NOW WE WALK INTOENLESS DAY ♪ 18:49 ♪ CAN YOU HEAR MY VOICE WITH HIM, SINGING AS WE CAN ♪ 18:56 ♪ CAN YOU FEEL THE LOVE OF HIM ♪ ♪ CALLING HIS [ INAUDIBLE ] ♪ 19:06 ♪ LOOK AT EVERY GLOWING FAITH, AND TELL OF TROUBLES OR FEARS ♪ 19:15 ♪ FOR THOUGH WE WALKED IN THORNY WAYS ♪ 19:25 ♪ 19:42 >> WOW. >> AMEN. 19:43 >> THIS IS SUCH A BLESSING. >> ISN'T IT? 19:47 >> AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE IS JUST HOW REAL AND 19:52 TRANSPARENT YOU WERE IN THIS FILM, AND WE JUST REALLY 19:59 APPRECIATE WHAT THE LORD HAS DONE THROUGH YOU. 20:01 >> ABSOLUTELY. AND WE ARE GETTING SO MAY OF 20:04 YOU -- THANK YOU FOR CALLING IN -- GREAT QUESTIONS BY THE 20:07 WAY. >> YES. 20:09 >> I THINK ALL OF US KNOW SOMEBODY -- LIKE I SAID 20 YEARS 20:14 AGO WE MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT, 30 YEARS AGO, 40 YEARS AGO, 20:19 BUT NOW WE REALIZE THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE DEALING WITH 20:22 WITHIN THE CHURCH, WITHIN THE CHRISTIAN BODY. 20:26 THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH, 20:30 AND -- AND -- AND COMPARISON SO ANYTHING ELSE, BECAUSE THIS IS 20:34 NEW FOR A LOT OF US, AND HOW DO YOU DEAL? 20:37 WE HAVE NEVER HAD PEOPLE STANDING UP AND SAY, HEY, 20:41 I'M -- I'M GAY, BUT I WANT TO BE A CHOIR DIRECTOR IN THE CHURCH. 20:45 NOT THAT I'M NOT PRACTICING, I'M JUST -- AND PEOPLE DON'T KNOW 20:49 HOW -- WHAT DO WE DO? IF WE SAY NO, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE 20:53 DON'T LOVE HIM. AND IF WE SAY YES, THEN OUR 20:56 YOUNG PEOPLE THINK THIS IS OKAY. SO THIS IS WHY WE NEED YOU GUYS. 21:01 THIS IS WHY WE NEED FILMS LIKE THIS TO SAY THERE IS AN ANSWER, 21:07 AND THAT IS JESUS CHRIST, AND HE CAN GIVE US VICTORY OVER 21:11 WHATEVER IN OUR LIFE. SO TO ME THIS IS INCREDIBLE. 21:14 BUT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE YOUNG LADY THAT'S NOT HERE 21:18 TONIGHT. IS IT ANNA? 21:20 >> ANNA. WELL, WE MET ANNA ABOUT FOUR 21:25 YEARS AGO AT GYC, AND ACTUALLY HER MOTHER CAME TO THE FIRST 21:30 NIGHT AND FOUND US ON THE PROGRAM, AND SO SHE WAS MOVED BY 21:35 THOUGH HOLY SPIRIT TO BUY A -TICKET, 170-SOME DOLLAR TICKET FOR HER DAUGHTER, WHO SAID SHE 21:46 WASN'T GOING. AND SHE GIVE HER THE TICKET. 21:49 AND SHE LOOKED AT THE PROGRAM AND SAW THE GAY PUZZLE, AND WAS 21:55 ENRAGED AND ANGRY. SO SHE SAID WHAT ARE THESE AS 22:02 ADVENTISTS UP TO NOW? AND WHAT KIND OF HATE ARE THEY 22:08 SPREADING? AND SHE WAS AT EVERY SINGLE 22:10 PROGRAM, AND WHAT WAS AMAZING WE EVEN APPROACHED HER AT THE END 22:16 BECAUSE WE SAW THE ANGER. BUT AFTER THE LAST PROGRAM, I 22:20 WENT UP AND ASKED HER AND I SAID WHAT DO YOU THINK? 22:23 AND SHE SAY I I'M TOTALLY COME FOUNDED. 22:27 I CAME EXPECTING HATE AND JUDGMENT AND -- AND -- THAT YOU 22:30 WERE GOING TO BE CRUEL, AND SHE SAID INSTEAD I FOUND LOVE, 22:36 COMPASSION, ACCEPTANCE, AND -- AND REDEMPTION, AND ANNA 22:42 HAS BEEN AT GYC EVERY YEAR NOW WITH US, AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT 22:47 GOD GIVES US A CHOICE. EACH ONE OF US HAD TO MAKE A 22:52 DECISION TO FOLLOW CHRIST. AND WE UNDERSTAND WHERE ANNA IS, 22:55 AND WE'RE NOT GIVING UP ON HER. WE LOVE HER. 22:58 AND SHE WAS INCREDIBLY GRACIOUS TO BE A PART OF OUR FILM, WHICH 23:02 WAS AMAZING, AND MANY PEOPLE AROUND THE GLOBE ARE PRAYING FOR 23:06 ANNA AS WELL. >> DON'T YOU THINK ONE OF THE 23:08 HARDEST PARTS IS -- IS KNOWING HOW TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE AND NOT 23:14 APPEAR JUDGMENTAL -- >> YEAH. 23:15 >> -- BUT YET THERE ARE LINES THAT YOU SAY THIS IS WHAT GOD 23:19 EXPECTS. THIS IS WHAT HE SAYS, BUT, YOU 23:23 KNOW, WE LOVE YOU, AND GOD LOVES US, BUT SOMETIMES IT SEEMS LIKE 23:28 WE'RE JUST AFRAID TO SAY YOU KNOW WHAT, THE BIBLE SAYS THIS 23:31 IS UNACCEPTABLE. I DIDN'T SAY IT. 23:34 THE LORD SAID IT. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 23:36 >> SOYOU HAVE, RON, TALK ABOUT THAT. 23:40 >> I JUST WANTED TO SAY ONE MORE THING ABOUT ANNA, EVERY ONE OF 23:44 US WERE WHERE ANNA IS RIGHT NOW. AND FOR MYSELF, I WAS IN THAT 23:48 SPOT FOR QUITE A LONG TIME UNDER GREAT CONVICTION, BUT JUST NOT 23:55 WITH THE COURAGE YET TO MAKE THE STEP, AND SO WE -- WE RELATE TO 23:59 HER VERY MUCH, BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL BEEN RIGHT WHERE SHE IS, AND 24:03 WE ALL HAVE GREAT FAITH THAT SHE IS GOING TO BE JOINING US ON 24:07 THIS SIDE OF THE LINE SOONER OR LATER. 24:10 WE'RE GOING TO PRAY HER OVER THE LINE. 24:12 >> YEAH, THAT'S GOOD. >> DANIELLE, YOU ALL ARE WILLING 24:15 TO GO TO UNIVERSITIES TO ACADEMIES TO TALK TO FOLK, 24:22 RIGHT? PUT ON PROGRAMS? 24:23 SO WE WANT THOSE FOLK TO KNOW -- IN A LITTLE BIT WE'RE 24:26 GOING TO PUT UP AN ADDRESS, AND I'M SURE YOU HAVE A WEBSITE, 24:31 WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT UP, BUT YOU ARE WILLING TO GO RIGHT TO 24:36 CAMPUSES AND TALK TO THESE YOUNG PEOPLE? 24:38 >> CERTAINLY. WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO SPEAK 24:40 TO THE YOUNG PEOPLE ABOUT THIS. AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE OUR 24:43 HEARTS ARE FOR THE MINISTRY. WE WANT TO SHARE WIH EVERYONE. 24:46 BUT THAT WAS THE CHALLENGING POINT IN OUR LIFE WHERE WE WERE 24:50 STRUGGLING FOR ANSWERS, AND WE WISH WHEN WE WERE IN YOUR YOUTH 24:54 AND YOUNG ADULTHOOD THAT WE HAD THE ANSWERS THAT GOD HAS 24:57 PROVIDED NOW. SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE A LARGE 25:00 PART OF OUR BURDEN IS, IS FOR THE YOUNG PEOPLE. 25:04 >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. YOU WANT TO DO A FEW QUESTIONS? 25:07 >> YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. YOU GUYS READY? 25:11 >> YEAH. >> WHAT DOES VICTORY IN CHRIST 25:13 REALLY LOOK AND FEEL LIKE? DOES A PERSON CONTINUE TO 25:17 STRUGGLE WITH URGES ALL THEIR LIVES? 25:19 WHAT ABOUT OTHER SEXUAL BONDAGES LIKE PEDOPHILIA? 25:24 >> IF I CAN JUST SAY ONE THING ABOUT THAT REAL QUICKLY, THE 25:29 MOST VICTORIOUS MAN THAT I HAVE EVER KNOWN WAS JESUS. 25:33 AND HE WAS TEMPTED IN ALL POINTS LIKE WE ARE, HE SUFFERED BEING 25:39 TEMPTED, AND HE STRUGGLED WITH BATTLING SATAN AND TEMPTATION 25:43 ALL OF HIS LIFE, AND IF WE'RE GOING TO BE CHRIST LIKE, THEN WE 25:48 MIGHT BE LIKE CHRIST, SUFFERING AND STRUGGLING WITH TEMPTATION 25:51 AS WELL. >> UH-HUH. 25:53 >> UH-HUH. >> ANYBODY ELSE? 25:55 >> VICTORY IS IN DAILY SURRENDER, AND SO IT DOESN'T 26:00 MATTER WHETHER YOU ARE SAME-SEX ATTRACTED OR HAVE A PROBLEM WITH 26:04 EATING TOO MUCH, OR STEALING, OR PORNOGRAPHY, THE VICTORY IS 26:09 IN -- IS IN ADMITTING THAT YOU HAVE THE PROBLEM, AND ASKING 26:13 CHRIST TO HELP YOU WITH IT, SEEKING HIS FORGIVENESS IF YOU 26:18 FALL, AND LETTING HIM PICK YOU BACK UP, AND CARRYING YOU. 26:23 A PROBLEM IN OUR CHURCH ENVIRONMENTS THAT WE HAVE PUT A 26:28 HIERARCHY ON SIN, AND WE NEED TO FOLLOW THE COMMISSION THAT GOD 26:33 HAS GIVEN US, AND THAT IS THEREOF EVERY SINNER, NOT TO 26:37 EVER TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN, BUT TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT AS THEY COME 26:41 INTO THE CHURCH, THAT THROUGH OUR MESSAGES THAT ARE DELIVERED 26:46 THROUGH THE PULPIT, AND OUR STUDY IN SABBATH SCHOOL OR 26:52 SUNDAY SCHOOL, THAT SIN CAN BE OVERCOME, JESUS PAID FOR THE 26:57 VICTORY, AND IT'S OURS TO CLAIM. >> THERE WAS A FRIEND OF MINE 27:01 THAT ACTUALLY SHARED WITH ME, AS I WAS GIVING HIM MY STORY, AND 27:05 HE SAID, YOU KNOW, YOUR TEMPTATIONS ARE DIFFERENT THAN 27:09 MINE, BUT I STILL AM TEMPTED WITH LUST FROM A HETEROSEXUAL 27:13 STANDPOINT, SO HEAVEN IS GOING TO BE FILLED WITH ALL KINDS OF 27:18 PEOPLE AND NOT JUST HETEROSEXUAL PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HEAVEN. 27:22 SO WE REALIZE THIS IS A SIN TEMPTATION. 27:26 AND TEMPTATION DOES NOT EQUAL SIN. 27:29 AND JUST BECAUSE I MAY HAVE THOSE THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS, 27:33 IT'S WHAT I DO WITH THEM THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. 27:35 >> RIGHT. >> SO OF OURSELVES WE CAN'T 27:38 CHANGE ANYTHING, BUT THROUGH THE LORD, WE CAN. 27:41 WHETHER IT'S HETEROSEXUAL, GAY, LESBIAN, WHATEVER, I THINK WHAT 27:45 YOU ARE SAYING IS, IS THAT THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO GET IT 27:49 IS TO GIVE IT TO JESUS, COMMIT IT, YOU SAY DAILY, THERE, LET 27:54 GOD COME IN -- WHEN THE LORD IS IN OU LIFE, IT'S SEE WHO -- WHO 28:00 GOES TO THE FATHER ON OUR BEHALF AND SAYS I KNOW WHAT THEY ARE 28:04 GOING THROUGH. I HAVE BEEN THERE. 28:05 AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DO IT. 28:08 MY DAD USED TO SAY, SON, THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE IN HEAVEN 28:12 YOU PROBABLY NEVER DREAMED WOULD BE THERE, AND ON THE OTHER HAND, 28:16 HE SAYS, AND I HOPE YOU AND ME MAKE IT, BECAUSE WE MAY NOT BE 28:21 THERE, AND PEOPLE MAY WONDER WHERE WE ARE. 28:24 >> A LOT OF TIMES CHRISTIANS FOCUS ON HOMOSEXUALITY. 28:30 BUT THERE'S ADULTERY, FORNICATE FORS, SO WE'RE ALL IN THIS POT 28:35 TOGETHER. OH, BY THE WAY GOSSIPERS ARE IN 28:40 THAT LIST AS WELL. VERSE 11. 28:43 >> SUCH WERE SOME OF YOU, BUT WE HAVE BEEN WASHED. 28:47 >> AMEN. >> AND WE HAVE BEEN CLEANSED. 28:49 >> AMEN. >> THE BOTOM LINE OF THIS FILM 28:53 IS REALLY IS GOD TRUSTWORTHY? AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU 28:56 CAN'T -- YOU CAN'T GIVE UP ANYTHING UNLESS YOU DEVELOP THAT 29:00 ONE ON ONE RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST, FALLING IN LOVE 29:04 WITH HIM, CHOOSING TO BELIEVE WHAT HIS WORD SAYS. 29:08 THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE TODAY THAT IS SAYING THAT THE WORD IS 29:12 ANTI ANTIQUATED, BUT GOD WOULDN'T 29:16 LEAVE US THAT WAY. SO HE HAS ASKED ME TO ABIDE IN 29:19 HIM, TO TRUST IN HIM. >> OKAY. 29:21 GOOD. LET'S DOSOME MORE. 29:23 WE HAVE SEVERAL HERE. >> OKAY. 29:25 THIS CALLER HAS LOVED ONES WHO ARE GAY. 29:28 HOW SHOULD THE CALLER HANDLE IT WHEN THEY COME OVER FOR AN 29:33 OVERNIGHT VISIT? >> DANIELLE? 29:37 [ LAUGHTER ] >> WELL, I WOULD THINK THAT WE 29:40 WOULD HANDLE IT IF THEY WERE A SAME-SEX COUPLE, JUST THE WAY WE 29:46 WERE IF THEY WERE AN OPPOSITE-SEX COUPLE. 29:50 CHOOSE THIS DAY WHOM YOU WILL SERVE. 29:52 AS FOR ME IN MY HOUSE, I WILL SERVE THE LORD. 29:55 YOU KNOW, WE -- WE CAN'T FORCE OUR CONVICTIONS UPON OTHER 30:00 PEOPLE, BUT WE DO HOLD A ERTAIN STANDARD IN OUR HOME. 30:03 AND WE COULD DO THAT IF AN UNMARRIED COUPLE CAME TO OUR 30:07 HOUSE ANYWAY, RIGHT? >> SURE. 30:09 >> SO I THINK WE'RE OBLIGATED TO HOLD THE SAME STANDARDS IN OUR 30:14 HOME, BECAUSE WE -- WE WILL BE -- WE WILL BE JUDGED FOR WHAT 30:18 WE ALLOW IN OUR HOMES, SO I THINK IT MIGHT BE OFFENSIVE FOR 30:22 THE PERSON AT FIRST. THEY MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND WHY 30:25 YOU COME FROM THAT ANGLE, BUT THEY WILL RESPECT US MORE IN THE 30:29 END IF WE HOLD TO OUR CONVICTIONS. 30:31 >> VERY GOOD. GOOD. 30:32 >> YEAH, THAT'S GOOD. >> OKAY. 30:34 >> HOW DO YOU HELP A 20-YEAR-OLD MALE WHO IS CONVINCED HE IS A 30:39 TRANSGENDER AND IS GOING TO PURSUE HORMONE THERAPY AND MORE? 30:43 >> WOW. I WAS 20 YEARS OLD WHEN -- FOR 30:46 THE FIRST TIME I ACTUALLY WAS COMFORTABLE IN MY -- IN MY 30:50 MALENESS, IF YOU WOULD. ALL OF MY LIFE THINKING THAT I 30:53 WAS UNACCEPTABLE AS A MALE, AND THAT I SHOULD BE A FEMALE. 30:57 AND THIS BEGAN EVEN BEFORE I WAS CONSCIOUS THROUGH THE REJECTION 31:01 OF MY FATHER AS MY GENDER ROLE MODEL, SO AS I WAS GROWING UP, 31:06 THINKING THE ONLY SOLUTION WAS REALLY THAT MY BODY HAD TO 31:09 CHANGE, WHAT I REALIZE NOW, WHICH WAS REALLY COMPASSIONATE 31:12 FROM GOD'S STAND POINT IS AS I WAS READING IN THE BIBLE, AND 31:17 IT'S AN ABOMINATION FOR A MAN TO WEAR WOMEN'S CLOTHING AND VICE 31:22 VERSA, AND WHAT I REALIZED WAS THE ABOMINATION WAS IN THE 31:27 BEHAVIOR, LIKE WHEN YOU WEAR THAT CLOTHING. 31:29 AND EVERY TIME MY AUNT WOULD TEASE MY HAIR OR THAT I PUT ON A 31:35 DRESS, IT INCREASED THIS DISSATISFACTION WITH THE GENDER 31:40 THAT GOD GAVE ME. AND IN JEREMIAH, IT SAYS THAT 31:46 EVEN BEFORE THE EARTH WAS FORMED GOD NEW ME. 31:50 AND HIS THOUGHTS TOWARDS ME ARE AS COUNTLESS AS THE SAND ON A 31:55 SEASHORE. SO THAT TELLS ME THAT GOD WASN'T 32:00 JUST INTENSIONAL BUT THAT WAS HE WAS LOVING AN TOOK GREAT CARE 32:06 IN HOW HE FORMED ME. SO HE REALIZES THAT THERE WERE 32:10 REASONS WHY I WAS TRANSGENDERED, AND THAT'S LEGITIMATE, BUT HE 32:14 SAYS JUST DON'T ACT ON THAT, BECAUSE THAT PULLS YOU FURTHER 32:18 AWAY FROM THE INTENTIONALITY OF THE GENDER THAT GOD GAVE ME. 32:23 >> THERE IS A GOOD SCRIPTURE THAT APPLIES TO THIS. 32:27 AND IT TALKS ABOUT TRANSES -- TRANSFORMATION, BUT 32:31 BE TRANSFORMED BY THE RENEWING OF YOUR MIND. 32:34 THESE ARE MIND ISSUES. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE 32:38 BODY. IT'S THE MIND THAT NEEDS TO BE 32:43 TRANSFORMED. AND THAT REQUIRES THAT 32:44 SUBMISSION THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. 32:47 >> YOU KNOW, THE MOST IMPORTANT COMPONENT IN SOMEBODY WHO IS 32:51 BEING DRAWN BY THEIR FEELINGS IS THAT YOU CAN'T MAKE YOUR MIND UP 32:55 FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL, BUT IF YOU DEMONSTRATE GOD'S LOVE TO THAT 32:59 PERSON, AND SAY YOU KNOW WHAT, GOD LOVES YOU, AND I LVE YOU, 33:03 AND I AM NEVER GOING TO STOP PRAYING FOR YOU, EVEN THOUGH I 33:06 KNOW YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE NOT IN THE RIGHT BODY, GOD HAS A 33:10 SOLUTION FOR THIS, AND WAIT, AND THEN PRAY AND ASK FOR ANY HOLY 33:14 SPIRIT TO LEAD YOU AND LEAD THAT PERSON'S HEART, BECAUSE THEY MAY 33:17 BEGIN TO START ASKING QUESTIONS. WHEN THEY BEGIN TO START ASKING 33:21 QUESTIONS, YOU CAN HELP IN PROVIDING SOME SOLUTIONS, BUT IF 33:27 THEY ARE NOT ASKING FOR QUESTIONS, DON'T HIT THEM OVER 33:32 THE HEAD WITH A BASEBALL BAT. >> WE SPOKE TO A MAN WHO HAD A 33:45 SEX CHANGE IN HIS MID-40S, AND THEN FOUND GOD AND WAS CHANGED 33:51 BACK. >> YEAH. 33:51 >> HERE IS ONE THAT SAYS, DO YOU ALL REJECT SAME-SEX 33:57 RELATIONSHIPS AS WRONG? THAT'S THE MESSAGE I'M HEARING. 34:00 THEN HE SAYS, IF SO, THIS IS VERY DISTRESSING AND SAD. 34:05 SORRY YOU GUYS HAVE GONE THROUGH PAIN, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ALL 34:09 DON'T REALLY ACCET THE LBGTQ RELATIONSHIPS AS HEALTHY. 34:15 >> I CAN'T -- I CAN'T ACCEPT SOMETHING -- WHAT GOD SHOWED ME 34:20 PERSONALLY IS THAT I CAN'T ACCEPT WHAT HE DOESN'T ACCEPT. 34:23 AND SO GOD'S ROLE FOR US IS SET UP OUT THERE HIS WORD ABOUT WHAT 34:28 HIS PERFECT PLAN IS. THE THING THAT WE DON'T -- THAT 34:30 WE DON'T GO AND STUDY AND FINE OUT IS -- IS HOW SATAN CAME INTO 34:38 THE WORLD -- AND THIS IS AL-QAEDA WALL -- ACTUALLY HIS 34:48 PLACE. AM I GOING TO BE TEMPTED BY 34:50 SOMETHING I DON'T ENJOY? NOT GENERALLY. 34:54 BUT IF I GO TO GOD'S WORD AND I SEE THAT GOD IS CALLING ME TO 34:59 LIVE FOR HIM AND NOT MY FLESH, THEN I RECOGNIZE WHY GOD WOULD 35:04 CALL ME TO DENY SELF FOR HIM. IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE 35:09 DEVELOP THAT INTIMACY WITH JESUS CHRIST. 35:12 SOMEBODY CAN SAY IT'S SAD YOU ARE DENYING YOURSELVES. 35:15 I HAVE PEOPLE SAY TO ME, YOU ARE LIVING IN GENERAL, AND I 35:22 GENERALLY SAY, YES, I AM, PRAISE GOD. 35:25 BECAUSE HE HAS SOMETHING GREATER WITH ME. 35:29 I SHARE WITH PEOPLE, WAS THE FRUIT IN THE GARDEN DELICIOUS? 35:34 I'M SURE IT WAS. BUT WHY DID GOD NOT WANTED A DAM 35:39 AND EVE TO PARTAKE OF IT? BECAUSE HE HAD SOMETHING BETTER 35:44 FOR US. >> HERE IS ONE MORE THAT SAYS 35:47 WHO -- WHO REALLY IS GOD'S PEOPLE? 35:50 IT SAYS DOESN'T THIS INCLUDE PEOPLE WHO -- WHO ARE WITH THE 35:55 SAME GENDER, WON'T THOSE PEOPLE BE SAVED? 36:00 THESE QUESTIONS -- THEY HAVE JUST WATCHED THE MOVIE, AND THEY 36:03 ARE SAYING, AGAIN, ANOTHER ONE, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE SAYING IF 36:07 SOMEBODY IS IN A SAME-SEX RELATIONSHIP IF JESUS COME RIGHT 36:11 NOW, THEY WOULDN'T BE SAVED. >> WELL, WE HAVE TO ASK THE 36:15 QUESTION, WHAT DOES SAVED MEAN? AND WHEN JESUS CAME TO SAVE HIS 36:20 PEOPLE, WHAT DID HE COME TO SAVE THEM FROM. 36:23 HE DOESN'T JUST SAVE US FROM HELL AND SAVE US TO HEAVEN. 36:29 NO PAGAN WANTS TO GO TO HELL, AND EVERY PAGAN WANTS TO GO TO 36:36 HEAVEN. THERE IS MORE TO CHRISTIANITY 36:42 THAN BEING SAVING FROM SOMETHING WE DESERVE. 36:45 THIS IS A SIN ISSUE. AND WE DO BELIEVE HOMOSEXUALS 36:52 CAN CERTAINLY BE SAVED. WE HAVE BEEN SAVED FROM THAT 36:55 SIN. JESUS CAME TO SAVE US FROM OUR 36:58 SINS, AND GOD VERY PLAINLY SPELLSOUS THAT THIS IS ONE OF 37:01 THOSE SIN ISSUES THAT HE WANTS TO SAVE THE HOMOSEXUAL FROM. 37:07 YES, WE BELIEVE HOMOSEXUALS WILL CERTAINLY BE SAVED, BUT THEY 37:12 NEED TO BE SAVED FROM THEIR SIN, AND GOD IDENTIFIES WHAT SIN IS. 37:17 IT'S NOT UP TO US. >> YOU KNOW THAT WASN'T AN EASY 37:20 DECISION FOR ANY OF US. >> NO. 37:23 >> I REMEMBER ACCEPTING JESUS IN MY LIFE AND -- AND THINKING, YOU 37:28 KNOW, THAT MAYBE JESUS WOULD CONVERT MY BOYFRIEND, AND WE 37:33 WOULD BE THIS MIGHTY TEAM FOR HIM. 37:35 I KNOW, RIGHT? AND I STARTED READING THIS IS AN 37:40 ABOMINATION, AND I THOUGHT HOW DARE YOU. 37:42 AND AS I STARTED TO READ THE WORD MORE, I REALIZED THAT GOD 37:46 WASN'T TELLING ME TO STOP BEING GAY. 37:48 HE WAS TELLING ME TO STOP RESISTING HIM. 37:51 AND HOW COULD I RESIST HIM, UNLESS I WAS REALLY IN AN 37:55 EXPERIENCE WITH HIM. AND THE MORE I STARTED LOVING 37:58 JESUS, I STARTED TO REALIZE THAT I HAD TO MAKE A DECISION NOW. 38:02 AND IT WASN'T LIKE THIS MAGIC WAND OVER THE HEAD, AND BING, IT 38:08 WAS ALL GONE. WE REALLY STRUGGLED WITH THAT. 38:11 AND IT GOT TO A POINT WHERE I COULD NOT LIVE WITHOUT JESUS 38:16 CHRIS -- CHRIST. AND AS I WAS EXPERIENCING HIM, 38:25 THAT'S WHAT GAVE ME THE ABILITY TO EXPERIENCE HIM FULLY. 38:29 PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD ARE THROWING OUT THE PARTS OF THE 38:32 BIBLE THAT THEY DON'T LIKE, AND THEY THINK THAT PAUL AND MOSES 38:36 WERE IRRELEVANT. BUT THOSE ISSUES HAVE BEEN 38:39 AROUND FOR CENTURIES. THERE IS NOTHING NEW UNDER THE 38:42 DECISION. AND WE'RE NOT DENYING ANYONE 38:44 ELSE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE DECISION, BUT WE CHOSE TO 38:47 FOLLOW THE WORD OF GOD, AND OF COURSE, THAT MEANT THAT WE HAD 38:51 TO MAKE GREAT CHANGES IN OUR LIFE. 38:54 AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS GIVE OTHER PEOPLE THE OPTIONS TO 39:00 CHOOSE FROM, AND LET THEM KNOW THERE IS POWER AND VICTORY IN 39:04 JESUS CHRIST. >> AND NONE OF US KNEW HOW TO 39:07 EVEN MAKE THOSE CHANGES. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 39:10 >> NONE OF US FELT LIKE THOSE CHANGES WERE POSSIBLE FOR US IN 39:13 OUR LIFE. BUT AS WE ACKNOWLEDGED THE GREAT 39:17 CONVICTION THAT GOD PLACED ON OUR HEARTS, AND WE MADE 39:20 OURSELVES AVAILABLE TO HIM FOR HIM TO SHOW US HOW TO MAKE THOSE 39:23 CHANGES, HE SHOWED US ONE STEP AT A TIME THAT WE COULD TAKE. 39:27 AND WE STILL HAVE OUR DAILY BATTLES AND STRUGLES, BUT IF 39:30 ANY OF US ARE WILLING TO FINALLY COME TO THE PLACE WHERE WE SAY, 39:34 GOD, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO NAVIGATE OUT OF THIS, I CAN'T DO 39:38 THIS ON MY OWN, BUT IF YOU CAN HELP ME, IT'S WHEN WE FALL ON 39:42 OUR FACES AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE NO ABILITY IN OURSELVES 39:46 TO MAKE THOSE KIND OF CHANGES, THAT'S WHEN THINGS REALLY START 39:49 TO HAPPEN FOR US, BECAUSE GOD CAN GIVE US FINALLY THE STRENGTH 39:53 IN THAT PLACE OF HUMILITY. >> I'M HEARING THS PATTERN THAT 39:57 EACH OF YOU -- AND ALL OF US, ACTUALLY, WITH ANY SIN -- WHEN 40:01 WE REALIZE -- WHEN WE COME TO A PLACE OF REALIZATION THAT I 40:05 CAN'T HANDLE THIS, I CAN'T DO THIS, BUT THAT'S WHAT GOD WANTS. 40:09 HE IS THE ONE THAT -- IT'S HIM THAT GIVES US THE POWER. 40:13 IT'S NOT OUR POWER -- >> SO BEFORE A VIEWER -- AND I'M 40:17 SURE THERE ARE VIEWERS -- MILLIONS OF VIEWERS 40:20 ALL ACROSS THIS GLOBE WHO MAY GET ANGRY WITH COMING OUT -MINISTRIES, BEFORE YOU WOULD GET 40:26 ANGRY AT COMING OUT MINISTRIES, WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO DO 40:29 SOMETHING, IT'S THE WORD OF JESUS CHRIST THAT WE CAN TRUST. 40:33 IT IS JESUS THAT IS CALLING US. JESUS THAT IS ASKING US TO 40:37 SURRENDER AND LIVE ACCORDING TO HIS WILL, INSTEAD OF OUR OWN 40:41 WILL. WE MUST EVALUATE THE PLAN OF 40:44 SALVATION, AND THE EFFECTS OF WHAT SIN HAS HAD ON THIS WORLD. 40:50 JESUS HAS CALLED US OUT OF TE WORLD. 40:53 EXPLORE AND FIND OUT WHY THAT IS. 40:57 >> THEN THERE IS ANOTHER PASSAGE OF SCRIPTURE THAT REALLY SPEAKS 41:00 TO THIS WHOLE POINT. JEREMIAH 3, AND GOD SAYS ONLY 41:08 ACKNOWLEDGE THINE INIQUITY AND I WILL HEAL YOUR BACKSLIDING. 41:12 WE ALL HAD TO COME TO THE POINT THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT OUR 41:18 HOMOSEXUALITY WAS A SIN ISSUE, AND YOU APPLY GOD'S REMEDY FOR 41:22 SIN, FRIENDS IT WORKS. IT WORKS. 41:25 BUT HE CANNOT HEAL US IF WE ARE JUSTIFYING IT AS AN ACCEPTABLE 41:31 ALTERNATIVE WAY OF LIFE. >> UH-HUH. 41:32 >> OR SOMETHING WE'RE JUST BORN WITH, AND ONCE GAY ALWAYS GAY. 41:37 HE SAYS IF YOU ACKNOWLEDGE IT'S A SIN ISSUE, THEN WE CAN GO TO 41:43 WORK AND DEAL WITH THIS. >> WHAT WE HAVE SEEN MORE IN OUR 41:48 MINISTRY IS THIS GAY SUPPORTING MOVEMENT THAT'S IN CHRISTIANITY 41:52 NOW, IT DOES NOTHING MORE THAN WATER DOWN THE GOSPEL AND MAKE 41:57 CHRIST IMPOTENT, AND IF CHRIST IS IMPOTENT, THAT IS WRONG. 42:11 AND WE WANT TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT THE TRUTH REALLY IS, RIGHT? 42:15 SO WE TALK ABOUT CREATING THESE SAFE SPACES IN OUR COLLEGES AND 42:20 CAMPUSES, BUT REALLY IS THAT SAFE IF YOU ARE ALLOWING SOMEONE 42:22 TO BE LOST? >> THAT'S RIGHT. 42:24 >> WELL, I THINK -- AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HIT ME WHILE YOU 42:28 ALL ARE TALKING -- MAYBE WHERE WE AS A CHURCH HAVE FAILED, IS 42:37 BECAUSE THIS HAS S SUCH A TABOO SUBJECT FOR SO MANY YEARS, THAT 42:43 WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO COUNSEL PEOPLE. 42:48 AND I THINK MAYBE WE'RE NOT THERE TO SAY, LOOK, WHATEVER THE-SIN IS, THE PASTORS -- WHETHER 42:55 IT'S UNIVERSITIES, ACADEMIES WHATEVER, WE'RE HERE -- SIN IS 43:00 SIN, AND WE'RE NOT HERE PICKING ONE OR THE OTHER. 43:02 AND WE'RE WILLING TO -- TO -- AND MAYBE WEN'T HAVE 43:06 HAD -- PEOPLE HAVE FELT LIKE WITHIN THE CHURCH -- I KNOW YOU 43:09 HAVE SAID AT OTHERS -- YOU COULDN'T REALLY JUST COME OUT 43:12 AND TELL PEOPLE, BECAUSE -- YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE WE HAD OUR 43:16 HEAD -- THE CHURCH, YO KNOW, IN GENERAL -- MAYBE WE HAVE HAD OUR 43:22 HEAD IN THE SAND FOR TOO LONG, BUT WHEN YOU HEAR FIGURES LIKE 43:26 ONE OF THE UNIVERSITIES THEY WAS TOLD -- THAT THEY TOOK A 43:30 SURVEY -- ONE OF PEOPLE IN THERE -- AND 90% OF THE YOUNG 43:35 PEOPLE IN THAT UNIVERSITY -- IN THIS SURVEY, SAID THEY DIDN'T 43:40 SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH SAME-SEX MARRIAGE. 43:44 >> A CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY. >> YEAH, A CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY, 43:48 AND I COULD GET CLOSER TO HOME, BUT I WON'T. 43:52 [ LAUGHTER ] >> THAT'S AMAZING THING. 43:54 AND FROM MY BACKGROUND, THIS HAS BEEN A PLAN OF THE DEVIL FOR A 44:03 LONG TIME. BUT GOD INSTITUTED TWO THINGS AT 44:07 CREATION, THE SABBATH AND MARRIAGE, AND SO EITHER ONE YOU 44:11 TRAMPLE ON AS A NATION, WE TRAMPLE ON GOD'S LAWS OR 44:17 INDIVIDUALLY. AND SOMEONE IT INTERESTING, WE 44:19 HAS SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHRISTIANS, WE TALK ABOU A 44:22 NATIONAL SUNDAY LAW, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR MANY 44:26 YEARS WHEN IT HAPPENS AS A NATION, THAT'S WHEN GOD BEGINS 44:29 TO WITHDRAW HIS SPIRIT, AND CONFUSION BEGINS TO SET IN, 44:35 BABYLON COMES, AND WE HAVE BEEN SO FOCUSED ON TELLING THE WORLD 44:39 WE HAVE GOT TO PREPARE, AND WHEN THE SUNDAY LAW COMES, BECAUSE 44:43 GOD IS GOING TO WITHDRAW HIS SPIRIT, AND THEN THE DEVIL COMES 44:47 THROUGH AND THROUGH OUR UNITED STATES, HERE IN AMERICA, 44:55 MAKE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE THE LAW OF THE LAND WHICH SAYS WE'RE NOT 44:58 A CHRISTIAN NATION. PEOPLE THINK WE ARE. 45:02 WE HAVE NEVER REALLY BEEN A CHRISTIAN NATION, BUT WE HAVE 45:05 BASED MUCH OF OUR CONSTITUTION AND LIBERTIES ON THE LAST SIX 45:12 COME MANAGEMENTS, BECAUSE MAN CAN'T DICTATE THE FIRST FOUR, 45:17 BUT YOU CAN THE LAST SIX AS LAW OF THE LAND, WHICH INCLUDES FOR 45:23 200 YEARS, THE ADULTERY COMMANDMENT WOULD INCLUDE 45:27 SAME-SEX, YOU KNOW, HOMOSEXUALITY, ALL OF THESE 45:30 THINGS, BUT IT'S AMAZING TO ME THAT PEOPLE WITHIN THE CHURCH 45:35 DOESN'T SEE THIS AS A BIG ISSUE. I READ FACEBOOK, AND I'M AMAZED 45:40 AT PASTORS, AND PASTOR'S WIVES -- I WAS AMAZED THAT ONE 45:44 OF OUR CHURCHES HAD A GAY CHOIR COME INTO A CHRISTMAS PROGRAM AT 45:49 THEIR CHURCH. AND I SAY WHAT DOES THIS SAY TO 45:53 OUR YOUNG PEOPLE IF WE'RE GOING TO LET THESE FOLK MINISTER TO 45:58 US? HOW DO WE GET FROM -- AND I'M 46:01 GOING TO TELL OUR MASTER CONTROL NOW -- THAT WE RARELY DO 46:06 THERE -- BECAUSE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE OUT IN 11 46:10 MINUTES -- BUT BECAUSE I HAVE TALKED TOO MUCH, ARE YOU OKAY 46:13 WITH GOING AN EXTRA 30 MINUTES? ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT 46:18 >> SURE. >> BUT I THINK THIS IS SO 46:21 IMPORTANT, THAT HOW DO WE GET TO THE POINT THAT SAME-SEX 46:26 MARRIAGE, EVEN WITHIN OUR YOUNG PEOPLE, IT'S JUST NO BIG DEAL, 46:32 AND WE'RE NOT PREPARED. BECAUSE IF WE'RE SD-- DECEIVED IN 46:41 THE SUNDAY LAW, COULDN'T BE WE DECEIVED BY ANY LAW THAT 46:48 TRAMPLED ON. AND NOW WE HAVE PEOPLE -- AND 46:50 HOW DID IT HAPPEN BRIEFLY? AS YOU KNOW FORMER PRESIDENT 46:55 OBAMA AND HILLARY CLINTON, THEY BELIEVED IN CON REPRESENT 47:01 -- CONVENTIONAL MARRIAGE, ONE MAN, ONE WOMAN. 47:05 AND BECAUSE OF PRESSURE PUT ON HIM, HE RAN OPENLY WITH SAME-SEX 47:10 MARRIAGE -- SUPPORT OF THAT. YET MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN OUR 47:14 CHURCHES VOTED FOR HIM ANYWAY. THEY SAID I DON'T REALLY SUPPORT 47:18 THAT, BUT I LIKE OTHER THINGS THAT HE DOES, OR WHAT HAVE YOU. 47:24 NOW WE KNOW THAT IS HAPPENING. WE HIRED KEVIN JENNINGS, AND PUT 47:31 HIM IN CHARGE OF THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM. 47:34 AND IF YOU LOOK UP KEVIN JENNINGS, ONE OF THE LARGEST GAY 47:39 AND LESBIAN -- LBG -- WHATEVER THE LETTERS ARE -- BUT HE 47:45 CHARGED OF BULLYING IN SCHOOLS. KEVIN JENNINGS STARTED UP OVER 47:52 3,500 GAY AND LESBIAN CLUBS. THEY INTRODUCED MATERIALS TO 47:56 YOUNG GRADE SCHOOLERS, STARTING 7TH GRADE ON, THEY BEGAN TO TELL 48:00 PEOPLE, YOU NEED TO EXPERIMENT, YOU MIGHT BE GAY. 48:05 YOU MAY BE HOMOSEXUAL. THE GOVERNMENT PUT IN SEVERAL 48:09 HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, AND KEVIN JENNINGS, I HAVE READ IT 48:12 IN HIS OWN ARTICLES -- AND HE SAID THIS IS THE GREATEST THING 48:16 THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED. BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE NEVER 48:20 DREAMED I EVER COULD HAVE RAISED ENOUGH MONEY TO CHANGE THE 48:24 PERSPECTIVE. IT USED TO BE DICK, JANE, AND 48:28 SALLY -- AND NOW IT MIGHT BE -- >> NICK AND RICK. 48:32 >> YEAH, WHATEVER. BUT THEY HAVE NORMALIZED THAT SO 48:36 MUCH, IT HA AFFECTED OUR YOUNG PEOPLE. 48:38 BUT THE OLDER GENERATIONS LIKE MYSELF, THAT'S NOT EVEN 48:42 SOMETHING THAT CAN COMPUTE WITH US, BUT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE 48:47 FACT, IT'S HERE. IT'S NOW, AND WHAT ARE WE GOING 48:50 TO DO IT WITH THE CHURCH. ONE LAST THING -- AND THEN WE'LL 48:53 TURN IT BACK -- SINLS -- SINCE WE HAVE EXTRA TIME, THEN I'LL 49:00 TURN IT BACK. ONE OF THE CHURCHES THAT I KNOW -OF, ONE OF THE MEN CAME OUT AND 49:06 SAID, I'M GAY. HE WAS A CHOIR DIRECTOR. 49:08 AND THEY SAID YOU CAN'T DO THAT, SO THEY LET HIM GO. 49:12 BUT ONE OF THE OTHER CHURCHES IN A UNIVERSITY CITY, THE 49:16 NEWSPAPERS CAME OUT, OTHERS CAME OUT, AND SAID LOOK AT HOW 49:20 TERRIBLE THIS CHURCH IS, THIS UNIVERSITY -- THIS CHURCH FOR 49:23 LETTING THIS MAN GO. THAT'S TERRIBLE. 49:25 SO BECAUSE OF SO MUCH PUBLIC SCRUTINY, LOOKING LIKE THE 49:29 CHURCH WAS A HATER, NOT ACCEPTING, ANOTHER CHURCH IN THE 49:34 COMMUNITY SAID YOU CAN BE OUR CHOIR DIRECTOR. 49:36 BUT I SAID NOW WHAT DO PEOPLE EXPECT -- NOW THIS IS AN OLD GUY 49:41 TALKING -- SO SOME OF IT MAY BE FROM IGNORANCE, BUT I SAID 49:46 NOW -- THEY SAID WE HAVE TO DO THIS, BECAUSE IT LOOKS SO BAD IF 49:51 WE REJECT SOMEONE LIKE THIS. AND I SAID WHAT IF I GOT UP AND 49:55 SAID, LOOK, I'M AN ADULTER, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE YOUR CHOIR 50:00 DIRECTOR, AND I JUST LIKE WOMEN. I WAS BORN THAT WAY. 50:03 THAT'S WHO I AM. SO I'M -- YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU 50:09 HIRE ME? THEY ARE GOING TO SAY NO. 50:11 WHAT IF I SAID I'M A DRUG ADDICT, BUT I REALLY WANT TO BE 50:19 YOUR CHOIR DIRECTOR, WOULD YOU HIRE ME? 50:22 THE ANSWER IS GOING TO BE NO. AND I SAID I JUST GOT OUT OF 50:26 PRISON, BECAUSE I'M A THIEF, I HAVE ROBBED SOME BANKS, BUT I 50:32 WANT TO BE YOUR TREASURER IN YOUR CHURCH? 50:34 WOULD YOU HIRE ME TO BE A TREASURER -- I'M NOT SAYING I 50:39 USED TO BE. I'M SAYING I AM A THIEF. 50:42 BUT I WANT YOU TO TRUST ME. WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO SAY? 50:45 THEY ARE GOING TO SAY NO TO ME. WHETHER -- IF I GOT UP AND SAID, 50:50 LOOK, I'M AN ALCOHOLIC -- NOT I WAS -- I'M AN ALCOHOLIC -- I'M A 50:56 PRACTICING ALCOHOLIC, BUT I REALLY WANT TO BE A YOUTH 51:00 PASTOR. THEY ARE GOING TO SAY NO. 51:02 THIS IS THE ONLY SUBJECT I CAN THINK OF, THAT IF YOU SAY, I'M 51:07 GAY, THAT THE CHURCH SHOULD EMBRACE ME, AND THE CHURCH SAYS 51:12 WE BETTER OR IT WILL LOOK BAD TO THE COMMUNITY, SO WE'RE GOING TO-ALLOW HIM TO COME -- I'M STILL 51:20 STRUGGLING WITH THAT. I HAVE PAID MY PEACE -- 51:23 >> CAN I SAY SOMETHING TO THAT. WHAT HAS HAPPENED THROUGH 51:27 LEGISLATION, THROUGH SOCIETY, THROUGH THE BRAINWASHING OF 51:29 SOCIETY, ACTUALLY IS THAT A MORAL ISSUE HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT 51:36 OF MORALITY AND PLACED INTO A CIVIL ISSUE. 51:40 IT'S -- SATAN THINKS THAT HE CAN TAKE THIS OUT OF THE -- THE 51:43 CATEGORY OF MORALITY, AND THEREFORE IT CAN BE LEGISLATED 51:47 AND NORMALIZED, BUT AS CHRISTIANS, WE HAVE TO 51:51 ACKNOWLEDGE THAT GOD'S LAW TRUMPS MAN'S LAW, AND WE TAKE IT 51:55 RIGHT BACK AND PUT IT IN THE POT WITH THE MORAL ISSUES, AND DEAL 52:00 WITH IT, AS SUCH. >> RIGHT. 52:04 AND THAT YVONNE HAS CAUSED A HUGE IMPACT IN THE BLACK 52:08 COMMUNITY, BECAUSE TAKING THAT FROM A MORAL, TYING IT TO CIVIL 52:12 RIGHTS. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 52:13 NOW YOU BECOME A BIGOT IF YOU DON'T ACCEPT HOMOSEXUALITY, NOW 52:23 YOU ARE CONSIDERED A BIGOT, AND PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE 52:28 THEY ARE HATING A GROUP OF PEOPLE. 52:30 SO THEY WILL SAY, WELL, THIS THE A -- A -- A SITUATION WHERE 52:36 WE -- WE CAN'T CROSS THAT LINE. WE CAN'T SAY THIS IS A SIN. 52:41 IF YOU SAY IT'S A SIN, YOU -- YOU CAN'T EQUATE IN 52:46 SOCIETY NOW -- YOU CAN'T EQUATE HOMOSEXUALITY WITH ALCOHOLISM, 52:53 OR DRUG ADDICTION, OR PEDOPHILIA, OR ANY OTHER 52:58 BONDAGE, BECAUSE THAT IS CONSIDERED BEING A HATER. 53:01 AND THE STRATEGY TO YOUR POINT, RON, OF LINKING THE TWO, THE 53:06 CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUES WITH A SIN ISSUE, A MORAL ISSUE HAS BEEN 53:13 AMAZING, ESPECIALLY -- TO ME, I HAVE SEEN IT IN THE BLACK 53:17 COMMUNITY, WHERE THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF ACCEPTANCE OF THE GAY 53:21 CULTURE PREVIOUSLY, BUT NOW BECAUSE THEY ARE PAIRED AS A 53:25 CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE, NOW IT'S -- NOW WE'RE ALL IN THE 53:29 SAME DEAL. WELL, NO, WE'RE NOT, BECAUSE 53:33 BEING BLACK IS DIFFERENT FROM BEING GAY. 53:36 AND I THINK THAT -- THAT'S WHERE -- YOU KNOW, THAT WHOLE 53:39 CULTURE THING HAS COLLIDED. SO I -- IT'S -- IT WAS A VERY 53:44 SHREWD STRATEGY TO ME OF SATAN TO LINK THE TWO. 53:49 BECAUSE NOW YOU CAN'T COME OUT, REALLY, AND TALK AGAINST IT. 53:53 >> SO JUST TO ADD -- BASICALLY ON THE EXAMPLE YOU WERE GIVING 53:56 DANNY, YOU KNOW, SO, OKAY, YOU ARE NOT READY TO BE THE CHOIR 54:02 DIRECTOR, BUT YOU CERTAINLY DESERVE TO BE LOVED BY THE 54:04 CHURCH, AND YOU DESERVE TO BE BROUGHT INTO THE CHURCH AND TO 54:07 BE NURTURED, SO WE DON'T WANT TO DISCOUNT THAT EITHER, AND I ANY 54:11 THAT HAS GOTTEN LOST A LOT OF TIMES IN CHRISTIANITY TOO. 54:15 THE GAY COMMUNITY I THINK HAVE A LEGITIMATE GRIPE WHEN THEY TALK 54:20 ABOUT THE WAY THEY WERE TREATED BY CHRISTIANITY, AND THAT'S WHAT 54:25 COMING OUT MINISTRIES REALLY WANTS TO CHANGE. 54:26 WHEN WE HAD THE PROTEST AT THE PASADENA CHURCH IN CALIFORNIA, 54:31 THAT WAS AMAZING. THAT'S WAS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE 54:36 THINK EVERY CHURCH SHOULD BE TO AN LBGT PERSON. 54:42 >> TELL US ABOUT THAT. >> WE ALREADY HAD THIS LAID 54:48 OUT -- >> YOU ARE GOING TO A CHURCH 54:49 TO -- TO TALK ABOUT THIS -- >> YES. 54:52 >> AND YOU KNEW THERE WERE GOING TO BE PROTESTERS. 54:55 >> THERE WAS A PETITION ONLINE TO TRY TO SHUT US DOWN. 54:58 AND THE PASTOR EVEN SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHUT IT DOWN, 55:03 AND THEN THEY DID THIS AMAZING THING. 55:05 >> THE PASTOR REALLY IN MY OPINION WAS THE DRIVING FORCE. 55:10 AND WAYNE AND I DIDN'T CHANGE A THING WE DO. 55:14 BUT THIS CHURCH WITH THEIR LITTLE LADIES IN SUITS THEY 55:18 OFFER THE PROTESTERS WITH THEIR MOHAWKS AND SIGNS AND ATTITUDES, 55:25 BUT THEY OFFERED THEM HOT CHOCOLATE AND WATER AND MUFFIS, 55:28 AND THEY SAID IF YOU GET TIRED COME IN AND REST, AND MAYBE 55:34 ATTEND A COUPLE OF THE MEETINGS. AND THE PASTOR WHO YOU WOULDN'T 55:38 KNOW IF HE WAS THE JANITOR OF PASTOR, HE WENT UP TO ONE OF THE 55:48 PROTESTERS, AND SAID PLEASE COME IN. 55:51 AND HE SAID NO, MY JOB IS TO HOLD THE FLAG. 55:56 AND HE SAID I'LL HOLD THE FLAG, COME IN AND EAT. 56:03 AND THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS. 56:06 WE WERE MISTREATED WHEN WE WERE IN THE CHURCH, AND PEOPLE ARE 56:10 STILL AGHAST THAT WE WOULD COME BACK TO THE SAME CHURCH THAT 56:14 MISTREATED US, BUT THE RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST WAS 56:18 WHAT MADE THE DIFFERENCE. >> ANOTHER FAMILY CAME OUT AND 56:23 SAID WE JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW WE LOVE YOU AND WE CARE ABOUT YOU, 56:28 AND THE PROTESTER LATER ON FACEBOOK PUT THE PICTURE AND PUT 56:32 A COMMENT AND SAI THIS IS WHAT CHRISTIANITY SHOULD BE ALL 56:36 ABOUT. BY THE END OF THE DAY THERE WAS 56:43 JUST A HANDFUL OF PROTESTERS THAT WERE LEFT THERE. 56:46 THE CHURCH WAS ICONIC IN HOW A CHURCH SHOULD RESPOND TO A 56:49 THREAT OF PROTESTS. >> UH-HUH. 56:51 >> LAY THE LOVE OF JESUS ON THEM. 56:54 SHOW THAT JESUS MINGLED WITH SINNERS. 56:56 HE INVITES THEM IN. WE CAN BE FED TOGETHER. 56:59 >> LOVE FOUND A WAY. >> AMEN. 57:01 >> AMEN. >> THIS COMMENT HERE IS VERY 57:05 GOOD. IT GOES ALONG WITH THIS. 57:08 FOR SOMEONE LIKE ME WHO LIVED A LOOSE LIFE, HE MAY NOT BE 57:13 REMOVED FROM ALL OF HIS DESIRES AT ONCE. 57:15 I WANTED TO COMMITMENT SUICIDE, HOWEVER, WHEN I WAS BAPTIZED I 57:19 CAME OUT OF THE WATER AND WAS FREE FROM THAT SINFUL PART OF MY 57:24 LIFE SINCE 1996. THE CHURCH NEEDS TO STOP 57:31 PERSECUTING PEOPLE THAT ARE SEEKING HELP. 57:33 THE CHURCH SHOULDN'T ASSUME BECAUSE A PERSON WAS A CERTAIN 57:36 WAY IN THE PAST THAT THEY WILL ALWAYS BE THERE THAT WAY. 57:40 THANK YOU, 3ABN FOR DOING THIS PROGRAM. 57:42 SO IT WAS KIND OF WHAT WE WERE SAYING, WE NEED TO LOVE 57:45 PEOPLE -- IT'S OKAY TO POINT OUT WHAT SIN IS, BUT THEN WE'RE ALL 57:49 SINNERS SAVED BY GRACE, SO WE CAN KIND OF POINT OUT OUT TO 57:54 EACH OTHER, BUT OURS MAY BE AS A CHURCH NOT LOVING PEOPLE ENOUGH. 57:59 >> UH-HUH. >> SO OUR MINISTRY IS NOT JUST 58:02 TO REACH PEOPLE THAT STRUGGLE WITH SAME-SEX ATTRACTION. 58:05 OUR MISSION IS REALLY TO EDUCATE THE CHURCH. 58:09 BRING US TO YOUR CHURCH. BRING US TO YOUR UNIVERSITY. 58:14 LET US SHOW YOU WHAT REAL LOVE LOOKS LIKE. 58:18 >> I WANT TO PUT UP AN ADDRESS, WHERE IN WHAT NORMALLY -- THE 58:22 PROGRAM WOULD BE OVER RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'RE EXTENDING THE EXTRA 30 58:28 MINUTES, WHICH WE DO VERY RARELY, BUT I REALLY FEEL THE 58:35 HOLY SPIRIT HERE. WE HAVE A GROUP HERE THAT IS 58:39 VERY UNUSUAL, MAY NOT BE ANY ONE LIKE IT, YOU GUYS AND THE FILM 58:44 THAT YOU DID -- DONE IS ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL, BUT WHAT 58:49 THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TO BE ABLE TO JUST GIVE THESE AWAY TO 58:53 EVERYBODY THAT WANTS THEM. THEY WOULD LIKE TO PUT THEM OUT 58:57 LIKE THE LEAVES OF AUTUMN. THEY CAN'T DO IT WHEN I JOKED 59:01 AND ASKED IF THEY ARE MILLIONAIRES, I HAPPEN TO KNOW 59:04 THAT THE ARE NOT, BUT THEY DO HAVE A NON-PROFIT MINISTRY, AND 59:09 I'M GOING TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO PRAY AND SAY LORD WHAT WOULD YOU 59:16 HAVE ME DO TO SUPPORT THIS MINISTRY? 59:20 THEY ARE ABLE TO SHIP THEM OUT, AND TO HAND ONE TO EVERYONE WHO 59:24 WANTS ONE, WHO WILL WATCH IT AND PASS IT ON TO SOMEONE ELSE. 59:27 THEY CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT FINANCES. 59:30 THEY HAVE NOT ASKED KNOW DO -THIS. THEY DIDN'T COME HERE TO SAY WE 59:34 WANT TO RAISE FUNDS. BUT SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE IT; 59:40 THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS -- HAS PROMPTED ME TO DO THIS. 59:43 I COULD TALK ABOUT ALL OF THE NEEDS AT 3ABN. 59:46 BUT THIS IS 3ABN. THAT'S WHY 3ABN IS HERE. 59:49 THAT'S WHY WE'RE IN EXISTENCE IS TO GET THE TRUTH. 59:53 SO WHETHER IT'S A PREACHER PREACHER, DOUG BATCHELOR DOING 59:56 HIS SEMINAR, OR YOU ARE COMING OUT MINISTRIES, OR SOMEONE ELSE 59:59 DOING THEIR MUSIC, IT'S ALL PART OF 3ABN. 01:00:03 IT'S PART OF WHAT WE AS A PEOPLE AND AS BEING PART OF THE 01:00:08 SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH, MANY OF US OUR, THAT'S OUR GOAL, 01:00:11 OUR MISSION AND MESSAGE IS TO TAKE THE UNDILUTED THREE ANGELS' 01:00:16 MESSAGE, ONE THAT WOULD COUNTERACT THE COUNTERFEIT INTO 01:00:18 ALL OF THE WORLD. >> I MEN. 01:00:20 >> SO TRUTH IS TRUTH IS TRUTH. SO I'M GOING TO PUT UP THEIR 01:00:24 ADDRESS -- SO I'M LETTING MASTER CONTROL KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW. 01:00:28 I'M GOING TO PUT UP THEIR ADDRESS RIGHT NOW, AND YOU PRAY 01:00:33 AND ASK THE HOLY SPIRIT, WRITE THIS DOWN -- I HOPE YOU ARE 01:00:35 RECORDING THE PROGRAM IF YOU ARE WATCHING IT OR LISTENING TO IT, 01:00:38 BUT IF YOU DO NOT GET THIS ADDRESS, YOU CAN ALWAYS GOING TO 01:00:41 THE WEBSITE, AND BEFORE THE PROGRAM ENDS, WE'LL PUT IT UP 01:00:45 ONE MORE TIME, BUT WE -- I BELIEVE THERE ARE MANY OF YOU 01:00:48 WHO SAY YOU KNOW WHAT, I NEED TO HELP. 01:00:51 THIS IS SOMETHING I CAN DO. WE'RE ALL AFFECTED BY THIS, ONE 01:00:55 WAY OR ANOTHER. IT'S AFFECTING OUR YOUNG PEOPLE 01:00:59 IN CHOUR. THEY ARE THE CHURCH OF TOMORROW. 01:01:00 >> AMEN. >> AND SO WHAT I AM GOING TO DO? 01:01:03 I DON'T WANT TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE. 01:01:07 SO I MYSELF AM GOING TO GIVE A GIFT -- IT WON'T BE A HUGE ONE. 01:01:12 I'M NOT A MULTI-MILLIONAIRE OR EVEN A MILLIONAIRE, NOT EVEN 01:01:17 CLOSE, TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH -- BUT I'M GOING TO 01:01:19 GIVE --AND I KNOW YOU SAID WE'RE GOING TO GIVE -- SO SHE'S 01:01:23 GOING TO GIVE. I'M GOING TO GIVE. 01:01:24 AND I'M ASKING THOSE OF YOU AT HOME TO CONSIDER SUPPORTING THIS 01:01:31 MINISTRY NOT ONLY PRAYERFULLY, BUT FINANCIALLY. 01:01:34 SO RIGHT NOW, WE'LL PUT TH ADDRESS ON THE SCREEN. 01:01:37 >> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTACT COMING OUT MINISTRIES, YOU MAY 01:01:40 WRITE TO: 01:02:12 CONTACT THEM TODAY, THEY WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU. 01:02:15 ♪ >> WOW. 01:02:20 THAT -- TO ME, THIS DISCUSSION IS JUST SO IMPORTANT. 01:02:23 ONE THING I WANTED TO ADD, THOUGH, WAS THAT I -- I HAVE 01:02:27 HEARD -- I HAVE TALKED TO YOU GUYS INDIVIDUALLY, AND ONE OF 01:02:30 THE THINGS THAT STANDINGS OUT TO-ME WAS THAT WHEN YOU WERE IN GAY CULTURE, THERE WAS THIS 01:02:36 ACCEPTANCE. THERE WAS THIS LOVE THAT YOU 01:02:38 WERE SHOWN. IT WAS LIKE UNCONDITIONAL. 01:02:43 WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER, AND THAT WAS IT. 01:02:46 AND THAT'S WHAT WE AS CHRISTIANS SHOULD BE DOING. 01:02:48 WE SHOULD BE LOVING YOU. WE SHOULD BE SAYING WE'RE ALL IN 01:02:51 THIS TOGETHER, WHETHER THIS IS YOUR ISSUE, AND SOMETHING ELSE 01:02:54 IS MY ISSUE, BUT WE'RE ALL IN THIS ISSUE TOGETHER -- THIS 01:02:58 SOUP, THIS BOWL, THIS BOAT TOGETHER, AND WE HAVE TO SHOW 01:03:02 LOVE TO EVERYONE. >> YEAH. 01:03:04 >> SO EVERYONE IS WELCOME WITHIN THE CHURCHES. 01:03:07 I THINK WE -- WE'RE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. 01:03:10 >> UH-HUH. >> IT'S JUST THAT -- YOU KNOW, 01:03:12 LEADERSHIP POSITIONS, IF YOU ARE OUTWARDLY LIVING IN REBELLION TO 01:03:18 GOD'S LAW, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY, BUT WE SHOULD ALL BE IN 01:03:23 CHURCH. >> YVONNE JUST BEFORE THE BREAK 01:03:26 I WAS CHOPPING AT THE BIT TO STEAL THE MESSAGE OF MIC 01:03:31 AND THAT IS LET'S TAKE THE CROWN OFF OF HOMOSEXUALITY, AND THROW 01:03:35 THAT SIN DOWN INTO THE POOL OF ALL OF THE OTHER SINS, AND STOP 01:03:44 LOOKING AT IT AS THOUGH IT IS THE CHIEF SIN. 01:03:47 AND LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO SURRENDER OUR SINS AND LIVE FOR 01:03:53 JESUS CHRIST AND BE THE CHURCH, THE COMMUNITY, AND THE FAMILY 01:03:56 THAT GOD INTENDED OUTS TO BE. TO PUT OUR ARMS AROUND EACH 01:04:01 OTHER, TO BE LEVEL AT THE FOOT OF THE CROSS TOGETHER. 01:04:03 THERE'S HOPE IN THE VICTORY OF JESUS. 01:04:05 >> AMEN. >> AMEN. 01:04:06 >> THIS CALLER SAYS THANK YOU FOR THE PROGRAM. 01:04:09 I CAN RELATE TO THE SAME CHILDHOOD EXPERIENCES AS YOU ALL 01:04:13 HAVE HAD, AND COMING BACK TO THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH, 01:04:18 PRAISE GOD FOR -- IT SAYS -- GIVING ME THE STRENGTH 01:04:21 AND PROTECTION AND KNOWING OTHERS ARE JUST LIKE ME. 01:04:23 WHAT A BLESSING. >> AMEN. 01:04:26 >> THAT'S WHY WE DO IT. >> HOW DO WE AS PARENTS HELP OUR 01:04:31 HOMOSEXUAL SON? HOW DO WE INTERACT, DISCUSS WITH 01:04:34 HIM, HOW MANY PRACTICAL WAYS DO WE HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP SO 01:04:38 THAT WE'RE NOT CONDEMNING THEM OR PUSHING THEM AWAY? 01:04:41 >> I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE 01:04:44 THAT I HAD WITH MY MOM. UNFORTUNATELY I WASN'T LIVING 01:04:47 CLOSE TO HER. WE WERE STATES APART. 01:04:51 BUT MY MOM REALLY TOOK IT UPON HERSELF TO BECOME MY PRAYER 01:04:57 WARRIOR AS SHE SAW I WAS LIVING AWAY FROM THE LORD. 01:05:00 SOMEONE ASKED HER LATER, IT MUST HAVE BEEN REALLY HARD FOR YOU. 01:05:04 AND SHE SAID YES, IT WAS, BUT I JUST KEPT PRAYING. 01:05:08 AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS WOVEN THROUGH ALL OF OUR 01:05:17 TEST TESTIMONIES. 01:05:18 SOMEBODY IN OUR LIFE WAS CONSISTENTLY AND INTENTIONALLY 01:05:23 PRAYING FOR US. MY MOM SAID SHE PRAYED LORD 01:05:30 CONVICT HER OF HER SINS AND HELP HER TO SEE HER NEED OF YOU, AND 01:05:35 I BELIEVE IT WAS THOSE KIND OF INTENTIONAL CONSISTENT PRAYERS 01:05:40 THAT REALLY DID OPEN UP THE DOOR FOR GOD TO STEP AND SEND THOSE 01:05:44 ANGELS WHEN I NEEDED IT MOST, TO SOFTEN ME AND THE EXPERIENCES 01:05:48 THAT I WAS HAVING, AND THAT'S THE NUMBER 1 THING THAT I THINK 01:05:53 ANY OF US WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE PARENTS TO DO IS TO BECOME 01:05:57 PRAYER WARRIORS, AND TO PRAY THOSE SPECIFIC KIND OF PRAYERS 01:06:01 THAT OPEN UP THE DOOR FOR GOD TO STEP IN, WHEN HIS SPIRIT IS 01:06:04 NEEDED THE MOST IN THE STRUGGLE OF YOUR CHILD'S LIFE.-AND TO MAKE YOURSELF AVAILABLE 01:06:10 AS SOMEONE THAT THEY CAN TALK TO. 01:06:12 IN THAT -- THOSE OPEN CHANNELS OF COMMUNICATION ARE THE MOST 01:06:16 TANK THINGS YOU CAN PROVIDE FOR YOUR CHILD. 01:06:19 >> AMEN. THIS PERSON SAYS THERE WAS A 01:06:23 MEMBER OF OUR CHURCH THAT WAS GAY. 01:06:26 SHE DECIDED HE IS WANTED TO BECOME A MAN, AND UNFORTUNATELY 01:06:29 SHE PASS AWAY DURING THE SURGERY. 01:06:32 AND AFTERWARDS THE CHURCH REFUSED TO CONDUCT HER FUNERAL 01:06:35 EVEN THOUGH THE MOTHER WAS A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH. 01:06:38 HOW DO YOU THINK THE CHURCH SHOULD HAVE RESPONDED? 01:06:43 >> THE CHURCH SHOULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY PEFORMED THE 01:06:46 FUNERAL. THE FUNERAL IS FOR THE FAMILY. 01:06:48 THEY PROBABLY HAD SO MUCH GRIEF THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS 01:06:52 ANYWAY. THE CHURCH SHOULD HAVE SHOWN -UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, YOU KNOW, 01:06:55 FOR THAT FAMILY AND THAT PERSON WHO PASSED AWAY. 01:06:58 >> YEAH. >> THERE WAS A MAN THAT CAME UP 01:07:01 TO US, AND HE WAS AFRAID BY SPEAKING TO HIS DAUGHTER WHO WAS 01:07:05 MARRIED TO A WOMAN AND HAD THREE CHILDREN, THAT BY SPEAK TO-- TO 01:07:15 HER, HE WAS DOING A DISSERVICE TO GOD. 01:07:19 AND WE SAID NO, THERE IS NOTHING IN THE BIBLE TO SAY NOT TO SHOW 01:07:25 YOUR LOVE TO YOUR DAUGHTER AND EVEN BE A GRANDFATHER TO THOSE 01:07:29 THREE KIDS. AND WE REALLY TRIED TO ENCOURAGE 01:07:34 HIM. AND TO THINK THAT YOU COULD DENY 01:07:37 SOMEONE OF A FUNERAL IS HORRIFIC. 01:07:40 >> AS A PASTOR I HAVE HAD TO DO FUNERALS FOR PEOPLE LIKE THIS, 01:07:44 NOT SOMEONE WHO IS GAY OR TRANSGENDER, BUT SOMEONE WHO 01:07:48 DIED IN A HORRIFIC CAR CRASH -- I'M THINKING OF ONE 01:07:51 PERSON -- THAT WAS LIVING A -- A TERRIBLY REPROBAIT LIFE. 01:08:05 BUT WE DON'T KNOW THE LAST THOUGHTS, AND THAT PERSON NEEDS 01:08:08 TO BE LAID TO REST THROUGH -- YOU KNOW, THROUGH A 01:08:12 LOVING AND CARING CHURCH, AND TO BRING PEACE AND COMFORT TO THAT 01:08:17 FAMILY. >> AND ON THE OUTWARD APPEARANCE 01:08:18 THAT GOD LOOKS ON THE HEART. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 01:08:21 >> CAN I GO BACK TO WHAT DANIELLE WAS SAYING, IF MY 01:08:26 SISTERS WEREN'T PRAYING FOR ME, AND WAYNE'S PARENTS WEREN'T 01:08:29 PRAYING FOR HIM, OR RON OR DANIELLE'S SISTERS AND PARENTS 01:08:35 WERE PRAYING FOR THEM, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE. 01:08:38 SO IF I CONVINCE YOU THAT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH 01:08:42 HOMOSEXUALITY, THAT IT'S GOD'S ALTERNATIVE, THEN YOU'LL STOP 01:08:46 PRAYING FOR ME, AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S JUST AS MUCH A 01:08:51 MOVEMENT OF THE ENEMY TO CONVINCE US THAT NOTHING IS 01:08:55 WRONG WITH US, AND THEREFORE, THE PRAYERS STOP. 01:08:59 WE HAVE A POWERFUL PRAYER LINE THAT WE DO ON THURSDAY AND 01:09:03 FRIDAY MORNINGS. THURSDAY ON THE WEST COAST, 01:09:05 FRIDAYS ON THE EAST COAST. WE HAVE PARENTS OF CHILDREN AND 01:09:09 WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING OUT OF HOMOSEXUALITY. 01:09:12 WE HAVE A BROTHER WHO IS BRAY PRAYING FOR HIS WIFE WHO LEFT 01:09:17 HIM FOR ANOTHER WOMAN. AND EACH AND EVERY WEEK THEY 01:09:20 HAVE CREATED A COMMUNITY, BECAUSE FOR A PARENT TO COME 01:09:24 FESS THAT THEY HAVE A CHILD THAT IS GAY IS SO SHAMEFUL EVEN IN 01:09:30 THE CHURCH, THAT MANY CAN'T COME FORWARD WITH THAT KIND OF NEWS, 01:09:34 BUT THESE PEOPLE HAVE CREATED THIS POWERFUL COMMUNITY AND 01:09:39 LIFTING EACH OTHER UP DURING THAT PROCESS. 01:09:42 >> IF THEY WANT TO BE ON THAT PRAYER -- 01:09:45 >> JUST GO TO THE WEBSITE. AND THE NUMBER IS RIGHT THERE. 01:09:49 >> OKAY. ANOTHER QUESTION. 01:09:50 >> SHOULD YOU AT -- ATTEND A HOMOSEXUAL WEDDING IN YOUR 01:10:01 FAMILY? >> WE ACCEPT THAT THERE ARE TWIN 01:10:05 INSTITUTIONS RIGHT OUT OF THE GARDEN OF EDEN, MARRIAGE AND 01:10:09 SABBATH. AS CHRISTIANS WE SHOULD ACCEPT 01:10:12 THAT MARRIAGE SHOULD BE A SACRED INSTITUTION, AND FOR US TO AT 01:10:16 TEN A GAY WEDDING, COULD GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT WE'RE 01:10:22 CONDONING THIS -- THIS UNION, WHICH GOD CALLS SIN OR 01:10:28 ABOMINATION, AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE DOGMATIC ABOUT IT, BECAUSE 01:10:31 WE KNOW IT'S A VERY SENSITIVE ISSUE. 01:10:34 THERE ARE PARENTS THAT HAVE GONE AND COME BACK WITH GREAT REMORSE 01:10:37 FOR DOING SO, FEELING LIKE THEY BETRAYED THE LORD, BUT -- BUT 01:10:44 THERE ARE SO MANY WAYS THAT YOU CAN SHOW LOVE AND COMPASSION FOR 01:10:49 YOUR LOVED ONE WITHOUT PARTICIPATING IN THE -- THE 01:10:54 COUNTERFEIT OF A SACED INSTITUTION, AND WE JUST 01:10:58 STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT AS CHRISTIANS WE NOT DO ANYTHING 01:11:02 THAT WOULD GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT WE CONDONE AND ARE BLESSING 01:11:08 THROUGH THIS COUNTERFEIT OF A SACRED UNION. 01:11:10 >> OKAY. GOOD. 01:11:12 >> TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE ONE COUPLE -- 01:11:14 >> WELL, I THINK WE'RE REALLY SHORT OF TIME. 01:11:18 >> NO, GO AHEAD -- YOU CAN TELL IT. 01:11:20 >> WE HAD A COUPLE IN ARKANSAS THAT HAD THIS SITUATION. 01:11:26 THEY HAD TWIN SONS, ONE OF WHOM WAS GETTING MARRIED, A GAY 01:11:30 WEDDING OUT IN CALIFORNIA. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS VERY THING, 01:11:35 AND THE PARENTED DECIDED THEY WOULD FLY OUT A WEEK EARLY. 01:11:39 AND THEY SPENT A LOT OF QUALITY TIME WITH HIS SON AND HIS 01:11:45 PARTNER, IN A SECULAR SETTING, NOT A SACRED SETTING. 01:11:51 THEY DID NOT GO TO THE WEDDING OR RECEPTION, BUT THEY SPENT 01:11:56 TIME WITH THEIR SON, AND CAME HOME WITH GREAT PEACE THAT THEY 01:12:01 HAD NOT BETRAYED THEIR LORD, THEY HAD NOT GIVEN THE WRONG 01:12:07 IMPRESSION, THEY COULD NOT BE ACCUSED BY THEIR SON OF NOT 01:12:11 LOVING HIM ENOUGH, OR OF BEING TOO CHEAP TO COME. 01:12:15 YOU CAN SPEND TIME WITH YOUR LOVED ONE, WITHOUT COMPROMISING 01:12:19 AND GIVING THE IMPRESSION YOU ARE PARTICIPATING OR CONDONING 01:12:23 THE SIN. >> AND SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE 01:12:25 SURE WE CLARIFY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOMOSEXUAL PEOPLE CAN BE 01:12:30 SAVED WHEN THEY SUBMIT THEMSELVES TO GOD NOT WHILE THEY 01:12:33 ARE STILL PRACTICING, SO FOR THOSE MAYBE THAT DIDN'T GET THAT 01:12:36 CLEAR, WE TRIED TO MAKE THAT -- >> AND I WAS ADDRESSING THAT -- 01:12:41 >> YEAH, AND YOU DID THAT A WHILE AGO. 01:12:43 >> YEAH. >> SO WHAT THEY ARE SAYING THAT 01:12:46 AS IN ANY SIN, WE HAVE TO ASK GOD TO COME IN OUR LIVES AND 01:12:54 TAKE THAT FROM US. >> CORINTHIANS 5:17, AGAIN, SAYS 01:13:02 WHEN WE SUBMIT OURSELVES TO JESUS CHRIST, WE BECOME A NEW 01:13:08 CREATION. >> THIS SAYS I WANT TO THANK YOU 01:13:11 SO MUCH FOR THIS PROGRAM. THIS IS A SUBJECT THAT OUR 01:13:14 CHURCH HAS BEEN SILENT ON, AND I APPRECIATE YOU FOR PUTTING THIS 01:13:19 PROGRAM OUT THERE. >> WE ARE TOO, THANK YOU DANY 01:13:22 AND YVONNE. >> WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE CHURCH 01:13:29 PERMITS YOU TO COME BUT YOU HAVE TO BE DRESSED LIKE A MAN, EVEN 01:13:33 THOUGH YOU FEEL LIKE A WOMAN. >> I KNOW THAT EVERY TIME I 01:13:37 DRESSED IN MY MOM'S CLOTHES OR MY SISTERS' CLOTHES IT WAS A 01:13:43 REENFORCEMENT THAT I WAS DISSATISFIED WITH BEING A MALE. 01:13:46 AND WHAT THEY DID WAS -- THERE WAS A REASON WHY I STARTED FOR 01:13:50 ME, AND THAT WAS OF COURSE THE REJECTION OF MY FATHER AS MY 01:13:54 ROLE MODEL, BUT ALL OF THAT HAPPENED BEFORE I WAS EVEN 01:13:58 CONSCIENCE. AND I DIDN'T KNOW HOW IT BEGAN 01:14:01 OR HOW TO FIX IT. SO I BELIEVE THAT GOD THROUGH 01:14:05 HIS WORD CONDEMNS THE PRACTICE OF IT, BECAUSE IT PULLS YOU 01:14:08 FURTHER AWAY FROM THE IDENTITY THAT GOD HAD ORIGINALLY GIVEN 01:14:14 YOU. WHEN I CAME TO 20 YEARS OLD, I 01:14:16 WALKED OUT OF CHURCH CULTURE AND WALKED RIGHT INTO THE GAY 01:14:20 COMMUNITY, AND IT WAS ONLY THEN THAT I WAS ACTUALLY AFFIRMED IN 01:14:25 MY MASCULINITY, BECAUSE I REALIZED THEY CRAVED TO BE 01:14:30 AFFIRMED AS A MAN. I CRAVED TO BE LOVED BY A MAN, 01:14:35 AND SO I COULDN'T GET LOVE IN THE RIGHT WAY, DOESN'T IT MAKE 01:14:40 SENSE THAT I MIGHT GET IT IN THE WRONG WAY. 01:14:42 SO FOR THE FIRST TIME AT 20, I THOUGHT, WOW, I DON'T HAVE TO 01:14:52 HAVE A SEX CHANGE TO BE LOVED BY A MAN. 01:14:57 AND IF SOMEONE WOULD HAVE OFFERED ME A SEX CHANGE, I WOULD 01:15:01 HAVE BEEN THE FIRST IN LINE. AND 40% OF TRANSGENDERS ATTEMPT 01:15:06 SUICIDE, 31% ACTUALLY COMMIT SUICIDE. 01:15:10 THE HIGHEST SUICIDE RATES OF ANY GROUP OF PEOPLE EVER.-BUT YOU DON'T HEAR THAT IN THE 01:15:16 NEWS, BECAUSE THE MEDIA HAS AN AGENDA TO PUSH. 01:15:18 >> WE HAVE LESS THAN 12 MINUTES, SO WE'LL TRY TO GET THROUGH SOME 01:15:22 OF THESE FAIRLY QUICKLY, BUT SO MANY ARE JUST SAYING THANK YOU 01:15:26 SO MUCH FOR BEING ON TONIGHT, AND FOR 3ABN HAVING YOU ON. 01:15:30 SO IT'S A MUTUAL THING. WE THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND 01:15:35 SHARING. AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT. 01:15:37 AND I HOPE THAT SUPPORT ALSO IS FINANCIALLY. 01:15:42 GO TO COMINGOUTMINISTRIES.ORG, AND THERE YOU CAN FIND OUT 01:15:45 HOW -- WHAT ADDRESS -- HOWEVER YOU NEED TO -- THAT YOU CAN 01:15:50 SUPPORT FINANCIALLY, IF FOR ANY REASON YOU AREN'T ABLE TO DO 01:15:55 THAT, YOU CAN CONACT US TO 3ABN, OR IF YOU SEND A CHECK TO 01:16:00 THE COMING OUT MINISTRIES HERE, WE'LL MAKE SURE IT GETS TO THEM. 01:16:04 WE PREFER YOU DO IT, BUT IF YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN ALWAYS CALL US, 01:16:08 WE'LL GIVE YOU THE ADDRESS. BUT AS THE HOLY SPIRIT IMPRESSES 01:16:11 YOU HAVE, WE WANT YOU TO SUPPORT THIS MINISTRY, SO WE CAN GET 01:16:16 THIS FILM YOU SAW -- AND WE'RE GOING TO ENCOURAGE YOU, 01:16:20 COLLEGES, UNIVERSITIES --YOU WILL GET RESISTANCE, DON'T BE 01:16:25 SURPRISED THAT THEY SAY WE DON'T WANT THIS, IT'S TOO 01:16:29 CONTROVERSIAL. BUT THAT'S THE REASON YOU NEED 01:16:31 THEM THERE. IS BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW THE 01:16:34 TRUTH. THE TRUTH IS WHAT SETS US FREE 01:16:37 AND FOR A CHURCH AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE PROCLAIMED BABYLON HAS 01:16:42 FALLEN, COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE, THAT WE OURSELVES ARE 01:16:47 NOT IN CONFUSION. SO LET'S DO A FEW MORE QUESTIONS 01:16:51 AT LEAST. >> CAN I QUICKLY SAY, AS MUCH AS 01:16:54 WE APPRECIATE YOUR FINANCIAL SUPPORT, AND IT IS GREATLY 01:16:58 NEEDED -- AND -- AND SO VERY APPRECIATED, WE REALLY WANT YOU 01:17:04 TO ADD US TO YOUR PRAYER LISTS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALREADY SEEN 01:17:08 HOW PRAYER CHANGES THINGS. WE NEED YOUR PRAYER TODAY. 01:17:11 >> WHAT I FOUND OUT OVER THE YEARS, IF PEOPLE PRAY FOR 01:17:15 YOU -- OR THEY SUPPORT YOU, THEY WILL REMEMBER TO PRAY FOR YOU 01:17:19 TOO. THEY WANT YOU TO DO WELL. 01:17:21 [ LAUGHTER ] >> HOW DO YOU LEAD A HOMOSEXUAL 01:17:23 AND TRANSGENDER -- BECAUSE BOTH OF THESE QUESTIONS WERE 01:17:27 ASKED -- TO THE LORD WITHOUT OFFENDING THEM. 01:17:34 >> JESUS SAYS SEEK YE FIRST RIGHTEOUSNESS. 01:17:39 THE GAY OR TRANSAGAIN GENDER ISSUE MAY NOT BE EVEN IN THE TOP 01:17:44 TEN ISSUES THAT A PERSON NEEDS TO DEAL WITH. 01:17:48 I THINK THROUGH OUR STUDY, WE FELL IN LOVE WITH JESUS, AND WE 01:17:52 DEVELOPED A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM THAT LEAD US TO BEHOLD HIM, 01:17:57 AND BY BEHOLDING HIM, WE BECOME CHANGED. 01:18:01 AND I WAS CONVICTED AND -- AND REALLY ENAMORED WITH THE WHOLE 01:18:07 CONCEPT OF THE SAVING POWER OF JESUS, PROBABLY A YEAR, YEAR AND 01:18:11 A HALF BEFORE I EVER HAD THE COURAGE TO TAKE THE STE OUT, 01:18:14 AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE NEED TO FOCUS. 01:18:17 DON'T ADDRESS SOMEONE RIGHT OFF OF THE SPOT -- RIGHT UP FRONT 01:18:21 WITH A GAY ISSUE. THEY NEED JESUS. 01:18:24 THEY NEED TO BE INTRODUCED TO THE LOVE OF JESUS, AND THE HOLY 01:18:28 SPIRIT WILL DO THINGS WITH THAT PERSON'S HEART THAT WE CAN NEVER 01:18:32 DO. >> PASTOR RON, THAT'S SUCH A 01:18:35 GOOD POINT. WHEN PEOPLE COME TO AN 01:18:38 EVANGELISTIC CRUSADE, YOU DONE WANT TO HIT THEM WITH THE 123 -DAYS FIRST. 01:18:42 YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE THEM TO JESUS. 01:18:45 SO EVERYTHING ELSE MAKES SENSE AFTER THEY MET JESUS. 01:18:47 >> RIGHT. >> QUESTION, I'M TRYING TO 01:18:50 UNDERSTAND THE CAUSE OF HOMOSEXUALITY. 01:18:52 COULD I GET SOME PERSPECTIVES ON-THIS QUESTION FROM YOUR PANEL? >> THERE'S NOT A SINGULAR CAUSE. 01:18:59 WE KNOW JOHN'S HOPKINS HAS JUST FINISHED ANOTHER HUGE STUDY 01:19:05 SAYING THERE IS NO GENEALOGY FOR HOMOSEXUALITY. 01:19:09 WHAT HAPPENS IN SOCIETY AND WHAT HAPPENS IN CHURCH ENVIRONMENTS 01:19:13 TODAY IS WE GET THIS CRAVING, ALMOST TO TRY TO -- WELL, WHAT 01:19:17 CAUSED THIS AND -- AND THE THING IS, IS THAT 01:19:20 BY DOING SO, AND NOT ARRIVING AT A CONCLUSION, WE LOSE THE FOCUS. 01:19:25 SO THE FOCUS SHOULD BE ON THE SOLUTION. 01:19:28 THE FOCUS SHOULD BE ON JESUS CHRIST. 01:19:31 WHAT IS POSSIBLE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST, THROUGH ANY KIND OF SIN, 01:19:37 ANY KIND OF ADDICTION OR HABIT THAT YOU MAY BE INVOLVED? 01:19:42 NOT SO MUCH WHAT THE CAUSE IS, BUT LET'S SEE HOW IT CAN BE 01:19:47 REDEEMED. >> ALSO, IT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME 01:19:49 TO KNOW -- YOU KNOW, SOME OR WHERE THAT ALL BEGAN, SO I 01:19:53 TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT WAYNE WAS SAYING, BUT, AGAIN, IF YOU 01:19:57 ARE LOOKING FOR -- I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR A 01:20:01 PROTOCOL FOR HOW TO REDEEM A HOMOSEXUAL OR TRANSGENDER, OR 01:20:08 BISEXUAL, OR EVEN DRUG ADDICT, THE BIBLE SAYS I WILL LIFT ALL -MEN UP TO ME. 01:20:14 SO IF THEY ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN, THEN THE ISSUE ISN'T ABOUT THEIR 01:20:19 SEXUALITY. THE ISSUE IS ABOUT THEM KNOWING 01:20:21 JESUS CHRIST. >> ABSOLUTELY. 01:20:23 >> UH-HUH. >> DOES SAME-SEX MARRIAGE GO 01:20:26 AGAINST THE COMMANDMENT THOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY? 01:20:32 >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE MARRIAGE WA GIVEN TO US 01:20:36 IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN, AND GOD LAID IT OUT, AND WHEN HE SAW 01:20:40 WHAT HE HAD DONE, HE SAID THIS IS VERY GOOD. 01:20:42 GOD WAS EXCITED ABOUT WHAT HE CREATED. 01:20:46 THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BEEN MARRIED, WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS A 01:20:50 WONDERFUL THING, AND SO -- AS YOU GO THROUGH THE BIBLE, AND 01:20:55 ESPECIALLY -- IN LEVITICUS 18 AND 20, IT'S SO CLEAR HOW GOD 01:21:00 FEELS ABOUT THIS COUNTERFEIT, AND SATAN IS A MASTER OF 01:21:06 COUNTERFEITING EVERYTHING THAT GOD HAS CREATED, AND IT'S VERY 01:21:10 CLEARLY LAID OUT THROUGHOUT THE BIBLE IN MANY PLACES ASA SIN 01:21:15 ISSUE, AND IF IT'S A SIN ISSUE, THAT MEANS IT IS VIOLATING ONE 01:21:19 OF THE COMMANDMENTS. FIRST OF ALL YOU ARE COVETING 01:21:23 SOMETHING THAT WAS CREATED FOR SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT ALSO A 01:21:29 VIOLATION OF THE SEVENTH COMMANDMENT. 01:21:31 >> UH-HUH. >> WE HAVE SEVERAL COME 01:21:36 -- COMMENTS ABOUT JUST THANKING YOU, AND THANKING 3ABN FOR DOING 01:21:43 THIS. WILL GOD JUDGE THOSE WHO CONFESS 01:21:46 THEY ARE GAY BUT NOT PRACTICING? I WANT TO KNOW IF IT IS STILL TO 01:21:52 BE SIN TO BE GAY OR BI WITHOUT ACTING ON IT IN A WORLD THAT IT 01:22:05 IS NOT SO CUT AND DRIED ANYMORE. SO WILL GOD JUDGE THOSE WHO 01:22:11 CONFESS THEY ARE GAY BUT NOT PRACTICING. 01:22:14 IS IT STILL A SIN TO BE GAY BUT NOT ACT ON IT. 01:22:18 >> WE'RE NOT JUDGED BY TEMPTATIONS. 01:22:22 JESUS WAS TEMPTED. >> THE BIBLE DOES NOT CONDEMN 01:22:28 THE PERSON THAT HAS SAME-SEX ATTRACTIONS, BECAUSE GOD 01:22:33 UNDERSTANDS WHY. AND THAT WAS A HUGE RELIEF FOR 01:22:37 ALL OF US, GOD WAS CONDEMNING THE BEHAVIOR. 01:22:41 IF YOU ARE NOT ACTING ON THOSE ATTRACTIONS, YOU ARE NOT 01:22:47 COMMITTING THAT SIN, AND THE HEALING PROCESS ISN'T LIKE A 01:22:51 MAGIC WAND OVER THE HEAD, IT'S A PROCESS, NOT AN EVENT. 01:22:56 AND WE ARE ALL ON THAT JOURNEY TOO. 01:22:58 >> I RECEIVED A LETTER FROM A YOUNG MAN WHO SAID I WAS 01:23:04 WATCHING YOUR PROGRAM -- HE DIDN'T INTEND TO, AND HE SAID I 01:23:08 WAS SHOOTS UP DRUGS AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING. 01:23:12 AND I HAD ALREADY PUT HEROIN IN MY VEINS, BUT MY PASTOR MADE A 01:23:17 CALL, AND SAID JESUS LOVES FOR YOU, HE DIED FOR YOU, HE MADE A 01:23:21 PLAN OF SALVATION FO YOU. I WAS SO LONELY, I KNEW I WAS 01:23:25 GOING TO END UP DIEING; THAT I ACCEPTED JESUS. 01:23:28 AND HE SAID, FOR EIGHT MONTHS, I'LL BE HONEST WITH 01:23:32 YOU -- I -- I STILL WANTED DRUGS, I STILL, YOU KNOW, WAS 01:23:36 THERE, BUT GOD GAVE MY VICTORY OVER IT, AND SO FOR EIGHT 01:23:41 MONTHS -- BUT HE SAID AFTER EIGHT MONTHS -- IT HAS NOW BEEN 01:23:45 TWO YEARS -- I HAVE NO DESIRE FOR THOSE DRUGS ANYMORE. 01:23:49 BUT IT WASN'T A SAME-DAY HEALING WHEN IT HAPPENED. 01:23:52 AND HE SAID I SUPPOSE SOME PEOPLE -- ALL OF THEIR LIFE. 01:23:57 WE KNOW PEOPLE WHO ARE ALCOHOLICS WHO SAY I GO TO 01:24:01 WHATEVER GROUP, ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS OR A CHURCH OR 01:24:04 WHATEVER, BECAUSE WE STILL DESIRE IT, BUT WE DON'T DO IT. 01:24:07 AND GOD HONORS THAT. GOD HONORS THE FACT THAT, LOOK, 01:24:11 THIS IS A TEMPTATION, BUT LORD THROUGH YOU, I DON'T HAVE TO DO 01:24:15 IT, YOU HAVE GIVEN ME VICTORY OVER IT. 01:24:17 GO AHEAD. >> IN FEBRUARY 7TH, OF 1992, I 01:24:21 WAS BAPTIZED. SATAN WASN'T. 01:24:24 [ LAUGHTER ] >> I CHOSE A NEW DIRECTION FOR 01:24:27 MY LIFE. SATAN HAD A CUSTOMIZED PLAN FOR 01:24:33 MY LIFE FROM BEFORE I WAS BORN, BUT GOD ALSO HAD A CUSTOMIZED 01:24:39 PLAN. I HAVE CHOSEN GOD'S PLAN. 01:24:45 SATAN IS STILL THE STINKER THAT HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN. 01:24:50 >> WE HAVE TWO MINUTES. COMMENTS. 01:24:53 >> IDENTITY IS CRUCIAL. IDENTITY IS NOT IN TEMPTATION. 01:25:00 IT'S IN REDEMPTION. >> DANIELLE? 01:25:01 >> I WANT TO SPEAK TO MAYBE IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT 01:25:06 IS STRUGGLING WITH SAME-SEX ATTRACTION THEMSELVES, I HOPE 01:25:15 THE FILM HAS CULTIVATED SOME HOPE AND FAITH IN YOUR LIFE. 01:25:18 >> AND WHERE DO WE WRITE -- OR HOW DO WE GET IT? 01:25:24 GO TO YOUR WEBSITE? >> WE HAVE A WEBSITE 01:25:28 SPECIFICALLY FOR THE FILM "JOURNEY INTERRUPTED." 01:25:31 >> SO WE'LL SHOWED THAT HERE TONIGHT. 01:25:33 SO GIVE IT TO YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR ENEMIES, AND EVERYBODY THAT WILL 01:25:38 WATCH IT. AND WE WANT YOU TO HELP THESE 01:25:42 FOLK FINANCIALLY SO THEY CAN SEND THESE OUT. 01:25:45 ANY CLOSING COMMENT? WE HAVE ABOUT 35 SECONDS. 01:25:48 >> IF YOU ARE STRUGGLING WITH ANYTHING, ONE OF THE MOST 01:25:52 BEAUTIFUL THINGS WE FIND IN THIS MINISTRY IS PEOPLE COME UP TO US 01:25:57 AND SAY THIS ISN'T ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY. 01:26:01 THIS IS ABOUT THE SIN ISSUE. AND REREALIZE THIS IS A MINISTRY 01:26:04 ABOUT OVERCOMING SIN, AND -- AND THAT'S BEEN A POWERFUL 01:26:09 REVELATION, I THINK FOR ALL OF US, WHATEVER YOUR APPLICATION 01:26:12 IS, SEXUAL, BEHAVIORAL, GOD DOES HAVE THE ANSWER, AND WE HOPE YOU 01:26:17 HAVE FOUND SOME HOPE IN SOME OF WHAT WE SHARED. 01:26:19 >> ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S WHAT I FOUND OUT -- I 01:26:22 DON'T LOOK AT THIS, AND SEPARATE MYSELF FROM WHAT I'M SEEING. 01:26:26 I SAID YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'S THEIR STRUGGLE. 01:26:29 I HAVE MINE. AND WHAT IT IS TELLING ME IS 01:26:32 THERE'S VICTORY IN JESUS. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 01:26:36 >> THAT OLD SONG, VICTORY IN JESUS, RIGHT? 01:26:40 HE IS THE ONLY ANSWER FOR THIS WORLD'S PROBLEMS TODAY. 01:26:43 TONIGHT, I KNOW WE CAN'T COVER EVERYTHING, BUT IT'S JUST A 01:26:48 START, AND HOPEFULLY THIS HAS PIQUED YOUR MIND, YOUR THINKING, 01:26:51 AND HOPEFUL LIVE YOU ARE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE YOU NEVER HAVE 01:26:58 BEFORE. CONTACT THEM AT 01:27:02 COMINGOUTMINISTRIES.ORG. YOU HAVE FIVE SECONDS TO CLOSE. 01:27:04 WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAY? >> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 01:27:08 JOINING US NEXT TIME. THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU. 01:27:12 AND THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU GUYS. 01:27:13 ♪ |
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