¤ >> WELCOME BACK TO OUR SPECIAL
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BROADCAST THIS EVENING
CAN COMING OUT MINISTRIES AND
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"JOURNEY INTERRUPTED."
I'M BEING SO BLESSED BY THIS.
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>> OH, ABSOLUTELY.
AND -- AND IT'S AMAZING TO
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SEE -- I ALWAYS LOVE STORIES
WHEN -- TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT YOU
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KNOW WHAT, NO MATTER WHAT IS
WRONG WITH ME, I HAVE READ THE
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BACK OF THE BOOK,
AND IT SAYS WE WIN.
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>> THAT'S RIGHT. >>
WHEN YOU READ THE BACK OF THE
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BOOK, IT SAYS WE WIN.
IT'S ALL ABOUT A CHOICE, SO NO
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MATTER WHAT YOU ARE IMPRISONED
WITH, YOU CAN BE DELIVERED,
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BECAUSE THE BACK OF THE BOOK
SAYS THEY OVERCAME HIM BY THE
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BLOOD OF THE LAMB AND
THE WORD OF THE TESTIMONY.
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>> AMEN. >> AND
THEREFORE, JESUS IS
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COMING BACK FOR A PURIFIED
BRIDE, A PURIFIED CHURCH, BUT IF
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WE -- IF WE'RE IN BABYLON,
WE TALK ABOUT AS SEVENTH-DAY
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ADVENTIST CHRISTIANS, WE WANT
PEOPLE TO COME OUT OF BABYLON.
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WE HAVE ALL OF THESE
COMMANDMENTS THAT WE BELIEVE GOD
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GAVE 10, THEY ARE NOT A S'MORE
GUS BOARD, BU WITHIN THE CHURCH
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WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS,
SAME-SEX MARRIAGE AND GAY AND
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LESBIAN CULTURE HAS
BEEN SO READILY ACCEPTABLE.
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BUT WE TALK ABOUT WE HAVE
TO KEEP THESE COMMAND S, AND
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ANOTHER TIME WE'LL TALK ABOUT
A ABORTION, WHICH IS KILLING THE
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MOST DEFENSELESS HUMANS ON
EARTH, THAT WE OVERLOOK THAT AS
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A PEOPLE. HOW CAN WE DO THAT?
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WE ALL HAVE SIN, AND COME
SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD.
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AND WHAT THEY ARE
PRESENTING -- NO MATTER WHAT YOU
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ARE IMPRISONED WITH -- YOU SAID
IT WILL GIVE YOU LIBERTY WHEN WE
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SERVE THE LORD.
THAT'S THE ONLY REAL LIBERTY
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THERE IS. I
VISITED PRISON, AND IN THE
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PRISON -- I HAD NEVER BEEN TO
ONE, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO I WAS
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INSIDE, AND I AM A LITTLE CLASS
ROW PHOBIC, AND I THOUGHT THIS
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IS TERRIBLE. AND
PEOPLE CAME IN FOR CHURCH
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SERVICE, AND THEY GOT UP ONE
AFTER ANOTHER, AND ONE SAID I
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ONCE WAS BLIND
BUT NOW I CAN SEE.
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SINCE I HAVE BEEN IN HERE, I
FOUND JESUS, AND NOW I SEE, SO
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FOR THOSE OF YOU OUT THERE
WHO THINK THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE
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FREE -- YOU ARE NOT FREE,
BECAUSE IN HERE, I'M FREE.
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AND I WAS IN
PRISON OUTSIDE. >> WOW.
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>> ISN'T THAT AMAZING? >> YEAH.
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>> AND THAT'S REALLY
WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU GUYS.
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YOU THOUGHT YOU WANTED
FREEDOM -- AND GIRLS --
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[ LAUGHTER ] >> AND
WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WAS
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IT SARAH THAT IS
NOT HERE TONIGHT --
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>> ANNA. >> ANNA.
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AND WE WANT TO
TALK ABOUT HER TOO.
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BUT YOU ARE SHOWING US CHOICES,
THAT IF YOU ARE WILLING TO
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SUBMIT AND COMMIT YOUR LIFE
TO JESUS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BEEN
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SLAVED BY ANYTHING.
THAT JESUS CAN GIVE YOU POWER
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AND VICTORY OVER
ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE.
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>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> SO
THIS IS NOT JUST FOR ALL
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OF YOU TO SAY I
DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM.
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I'M NOT GAY, AND NVER HAVE BEEN.
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THIS IS FOR
EVERYBODY. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
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>> THIS IS MUCH BIGGER -- AND
WE'RE NOT EVEN TARGETING -- THEY
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ARE NOT TARGETING
ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE.
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THEY ARE TARGETING THAT SIN
ABOUNDS EVERYWHERE, BUT GRACE
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DOTH ABOUND MUCH MORE. >> AMEN.
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>> AND THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
BEEN WILLING TO STAND UP AND
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GIVE THEIR TESTIMONY
WHEN IT'S NOT POPULAR.
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BECAUSE MANY, MANY PEOPLE,
ESPECIALLY CHRISTIANS AND IN
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CHURCHES, WHETHER IT'S OUR
CHURCH OR OTHERS, YOU DO NOT
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WANT -- I MEAN THIS TAKES A LOT
OF STRENGTH, AND YOU COULDN'T DO
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IT ON YOUR OWN, AND THESE GUYS
ARE SAYING THIS IS WHERE I WAS.
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YOU KNOW WHY THEY ARE
DOING IT? TO HELP ALL OF US.
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IT'S HELPING ME. AND
THAT'S WHAT I TOLD YVONNE.
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AND I SAID THIS IS SO GOOD -- WE
WATCHED THIS AT HOME SOME TIME
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AGO, AND I SAID THIS IS GOOD FOR
ME, BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING TOO
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GREAT THAT GOD WON'T LISTEN TO
IT, AND NOTHING TOO SMALL THAT
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HE WEREN'T HEAR IT. SO
I'M GOING TO STOP TALKING AT
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THIS POINT -- >> I'M LOVING IT.
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IT'S GREAT. NO, IT'S GREAT.
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>> ACTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO GET
BACK TO THE FILM TO WATCH THE
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LAST PART OF IT -- >> UH-HUH.
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>> AND WHILE YOU ARE WATCHING,
PLEASE SEND IN YOUR QUESTIONS,
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COMMENTS ALL OF
THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY.
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WILL ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS.
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I'M SURE WE
PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF THEM.
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SO DARE TO DREAMERS, 3ABNERS,
ALL OF YOU CALL IN, EMAIL
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WHATEVER. AND LET'S
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FILM.-¤ >> I
WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I
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GOT BAPTIZED AND I CAME UP OUT
OF THAT WATER READY TO DATE AND
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MARRY WOMEN, BUT THAT JUST
WAS NOT MY -- MY REACTION, AND I
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THINK ANYONE REALIZES
THAT -- THAT WHEN THEY GET
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BAPTIZED, ABOUT 15 MINUTES LATER
YOU REALIZE THAT GOD DOESN'T
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TAKE AWAY YOUR
HISTORY OR MEMORY.
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>> THE QUESTION COMES TO MIND,
DO YOU GO UNDER THE WATER GAY
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AND COME UP STRAIGHT?
THANKFULLY I THINK GOD PREPPED
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ME FOR THAT. HE
WANTED ME TO GIVE THE SEX
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OVER TO HIM, BUT THAT WASN'T
GOING TO BE THE ISSUE THAT WE
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WERE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH,
WE WERE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH
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DEVELOPING INTIMACY WITH HIM,
AND HIM BEING IN CHARGE OF ALL
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ASPECTS OF MY LIFE. SO
I CERTAINLY WASN'T TEMPTED
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JUST BY SEXUAL ISSUES, AND BY
ATTAINING A GIRLFRIEND OR WIFE,
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WAS CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO
PUT -- LIKE AN AFFIRMATION THAT,
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OH, NOW I'M REDEEMED, BECAUSE
THERE ARE CERTAINLY PROBABLY A
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LOT OF PEOPLE VIEWING THIS TODAY
THAT ARE SAYING, MARRIAGE ISN'T
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THE AN DOTE FOR SIN. >>
AS I TELL THIS PART OF MY
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STORY, I HAVE BEEN ASKED MANY
TIMES, DID THE LORD JUST TAKE
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HOMOSEXUALITY AWAY FROM YOU?
AND I SAID, WELL, NO, HE DIDN'T.
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AND I TALKED TO MANY FRIENDS,
PEOPLE WHO SAY, I HAVE PRAYED
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FOR YEARS THAT THE LORD TAKE
THIS WAY, AND HE DOESN'T, SO HE
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MUST WANT ME TO BE THIS
WAY. >> AM I STILL TEMPTED?
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ARE YOU KIDDING ME? MY
RESPONSE TO PEOPLE TODAY THAT
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THINK I SHOULDN'T BE BECAUSE
I GAVE MY LIFE TO CHRIST,
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JUST -- WELL, ARE YOU? YOU
SEE WHY WOULD IT BE FAIR FOR
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JESUS TO TAKE MY TEMPTATIONS
AWAY, AND NO TAKE YOURS AWAY.
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>> I GAVE UP ON GOD, BECAUSE
HE DID NOT REMOVE MY TENDENCIES,
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INCLINATIONS AND TEMPTATIONS,
BUT AS I STUDIED HIS WORD, I
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NEVER COULD FIND ANY PROMISES
THAT HE DOES REMOVE TEMPTATION.
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THAT'S NOT HIS ROLE.
JESUS CAME TO SAVE HIS PEOPLE
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FROM THEIR SINS, AND HE PROMISES
THAT HIS GRACE IS SUFFICIENT.
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>> I WANT ANYONE TO KNOW THAT
HAS LIVED IN THE GAY CULTURE FOR
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A VERY LONG TIME, THAT IF YOU
ARE LOOKING TO GO BACK TO CHRIST
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AND SEEK HIS WILL INSTEAD
OF WHAT COMES NATURALLY TO YOU,
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I'LL TELL YOU WHO IS GOING
TO TRY TO GET IN THE WAY, AND
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THAT'S THE DEVIL. HE
DOESN'T GIVE UP EASILY.
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>> I WAS DESPERATE
TO BE SECURE IN MY SIN.
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I DID WHATEVER I
COULD -- TELL ME LIES.
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TELL ME LIES. LIE TO ME.
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TELL ME THAT I CAN STILL KEEP
MY BOYFRIEND AND -- AND KEEP MY
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SAVIOR, AND YOU KNOW SOMETHING,
I -- I WAS SINCERELY SEEKING
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JESUS, BECAUSE I WAS
EXPERIENCING HIM, AND IF I CHOSE
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TO KEEP MY IDENTITY, I COULD,
BUT I COULD NOT DENY THE FACT
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THAT HIS WORD SAYS THAT IT IS
A SIN THAT IT SEPARATES ME; THAT
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IT'S DAMAGING; THAT IT --
IT DOESN'T GIVE ME ULTIMATE
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FULFILLMENT. >> WHEN
WE GO BACK TO THE WORD
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OF GOD THE QUESTION THAT
NEEDS TO BE ASKED, IS, IS THIS A
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RELATIONSHIP THAT PLEASES
GOD? BECAUSE IF THERE'S ONLY ONE
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PERSON THAT IS NEEDED TO LAY THE
DECEPTION AND YOU BELIEF IT, HE
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HAS GOT YOU. >> YOU
KNOW, GOD GAVE US THE
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BIBLE TO SHOW US
WHERE THE SAFETY LIES.
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HE GAVE US HIS COMMANDMENTS FOR
INSTRUCTION FOR US TO STAY SAFE,
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SO STAY AWAY FROM THE THINGS
THAT WILL ONLY WOUND US AND
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BRING DEATH INTO OUR LIVES.
>> JESUS SAID, YES, YOU ARE
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GOING TO HAVE TEMPTATIONS IN
LIFE, BUT I DON'T FORCE YOU TO
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ACT ON THESE TEMPTATIONS, AND
WAYNE YOU ACTED ON THEM FOR MANY
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YEARS OF YOUR LIFE, SO I
HAVE THE STAIN OF SIN ON ME.
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I HAVE SCARS ON ME. >>
SIN IS BONDAGE, SO ANYTHING
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THAT GOD DESCRIBES IN HIS WORD
AS BONDAGE, HE -- HE DOESN'T
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WANT ME TO PARTAKE IN IT,
SO I CAN HAVE TRUE FREEDOM AND
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LIBERTY. >>
CHRIST CAME TO COVER THAT
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CHASM THAT HAS BEEN
OPENED UP AS A RESULT OF SIN.
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CHRIST BRIDGES THAT GAP AND
ALLOWS US TO COME BACK TO GOD
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AND EXPERIENCE ETERNAL
LIFE THROUGH HIM WITH GOD.
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>> IF A VISITOR COMES TO OUR
CHURCH, I WANT HIM TO -- TO FIND
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IT A SAFE PLACE TO HEAR THE
WORDS OF JESUS IN THEIR PURITY.
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WE NEVER KNOW WHEN SOMEONE MIGHT
COME INTO OUR CHURCH THAT REALLY
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DESPERATELY NEEDS HELP
SPIRITUALLY, AND -- AND OUR
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CHURCHES NEED TO BE SAFE PLACES
FOR THEM TO FINE HEALING FOR
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THEIR SOULS, TO FIND
VICTORY IN JESUS CHRIST.
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>> BECAUSE IT'S TIME
FOR US TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
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IT'S TIME FOR US TO OFFER HELP
TO THE CHURCH MEMBERS TO BE ABLE
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TO RELATE, AND IT'S TIME TO
OFFER HELP TO THE PEOPLE WHO
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FEEL THEY NEED CHANGE IN THEIR
LIFE, AND THAT THEY WANT TO
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OVERCOME THIS, AND THAT'S WHY
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO
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SHARE THIS KIND OF
MINISTRY. >> IT WAS AMAZING TO
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ME -- I -- I STILL MARVEL AT
HOW THE LORD WORKED IN MY LIFE.
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WITHIN ONE YEAR AFTER MY LEAVING
THE GUY LIFE, I WAS SURPRISED AT
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HOW THE LORD LEAD ME INTO
MEETING A LADY THAT I HAD KNOWN
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SINCE CHILDHOOD, THE
LORD BROUGHT US TOGETHER.
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WE DATED. WE BECAME ENGAGED.
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WE MARRIED. I PRAYED
EARNESTLY THAT THE LORD
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WOULD GIVE ME A SECOND CHANCE
WITH FAMILY, BECAUSE I HAD
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SQUANDERED THE BEAUTIFUL GIFT OF
FAMILY THAT HE HAD GIVEN ME IN
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MY YOUTH, AND THE LORD HAS SINCE
BLESSED US WITH TWO BEAUTIFUL
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CHILDREN. >> EVEN
THOUGH I HAVE ALSO HAD
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ATTRACTIONS TO MEN, THAT DOESN'T
MEAN THAT IT'S JUST IMMEDIATELY
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EASY FOR ME, AND I CAN JUST
GO AND FIND A HUSBAND AND MOVE
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FORWARD IN LIFE. I
HAVE CHOSEN TO NOT ALLOW
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MYSELF TO BE FOCUSED
ON SEXUALITY ANYMORE.
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NOT ALLOW MYSELF TO BE
FOCUSED ON MARRIAGE ANYMORE.
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BUT TO JUST PLACE MY LIFE
COMPLETELY IN THE HANDS OF GOD.
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I HAVE PURPOSE IN MY HEART THAT
SEXUALITY AND MARRIAGE WILL NOT
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BE A FOCUS IN MY LIFE ANYMORE.
>> I'M STILL VERY CONVINCED THAT
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THE BIBLE IS TRUTH. AND
IF I WERE TO GO BACK FULLY
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TO RELIGION, IT WOULD
ONLY BE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS.
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IF IT SAYS IT, AND I'M GOING
TO BE RELIGIOUS, I'M GOING TO DO
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IT.-IT'S JUST COMING TO PINT
WHERE I'M READY TO SAY I WANT MY
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LIFE TO LINE UP WITH THE BIBLE.
IT IS NOT LINING UP, SO I'M
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GOING TO GIVE THESE THINGS UP.
LIKE, I'M JUST NOT THERE YET.
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>> WHAT HAS A GAY PERSON DOES IT
MEAN TO COME BACK AND GIVE YOUR
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LIFE TO JESUS? IF
THAT MEANS BEING LONELY FOR
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THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. I
KNOW THIS IS WHAT A LOT OF GAY
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PEOPLE HAVE CONTEMPLATED,
AND WHAT A LOT OF HETEROSEXUAL
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PEOPLE HAVE GONE AS FAR
AS TO SAY THAT'S NOT FAIR.
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IT'S BEEN SOMETHING I HAVE
GRAPPLED WITH IN MY EXPERIENCE
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OF WALKING BACK
WITH JESUS CHRIST TODAY.
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BUT THE PROMISE FROM JESUS IS
THAT HE WILL NEVER LEAVE US, AND
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NEVER FORSAKE US, AND THAT EVEN
IN OUR DARKEST HOURS WHEN OUR
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FEELINGS TELL US THAT WE'RE
ALONE, IT'S STILL A LIE FROM THE
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ENEMY, BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS THAT
JESUS DOES SAY THAT HE IS STILL
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THERE. >> MY
SEXUAL PREFERENCE WAS
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ALWAYS SAME-SEX. I
NEVER EXPERIENCED ANYTHING
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ELSE. AND MY
ORIENTATION NOW IS NOT IN
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MY SEXUAL DESIRES, AND I MAY
STRUGGLE WITH ATTRACTIONS TO THE
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SAME-SEX FOR
THE REST OF MY LIFE.
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ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I
KNOW IS THAT WHENEVER I FEEL
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EMASCULATED, WHENEVER I FEEL
LIKE I DON'T MEASURE UP AS A
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MAN, THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS
SAME-SEX ATTRACTION STARTS TO
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COME BACK. AND SO
WHAT I DO IS I CAN GO TO
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MY FATHER, AND GET DOWN ON
MY KNEES AND SAY LORD, WILL YOU
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REMIND ME AGAIN
THAT I'M YOUR MAN.
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WILL YOU REMIND ME AGAIN, THAT
YOU MADE ME MALE FOR A REASON,
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AND HE'S QUICK TO RESPOND,
AND YES, MIKE, YOU ARE MY MAN.
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¤ >> I SHARE MY TESTIMONY TODAY,
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THERE'S MANY PEOPLE THAT COME
AND IDENTIFY WITH THE FACT THAT,
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HEY, I'M NOT GAY, BUT YOU WERE
CERTAINLY TALKING TO ME, BECAUSE
00:14:07.64\00:14:11.78
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT
SURRENDER, ABOUT ABIDING IN
00:14:11.78\00:14:15.18
JESUS CHRIST, ABOUT SUBMITTING
YOURSELF TO JESUS AND LETTING
00:14:15.18\00:14:19.59
HIM HAVE CONTROL. AND
SO TODAY AS I IDENTIFY IN A
00:14:19.59\00:14:25.56
NEW LIFE WITH JESUS CHRIST,
I HAVE TO SAY THAT -- THAT MY
00:14:25.56\00:14:29.03
IDENTITY IS THAT -- THA I AM
INDEED A NEW CREATURE, WHICH IS
00:14:29.03\00:14:34.50
WHAT 2
CORINTHIANS 5:17 TELLS ME.
00:14:34.50\00:14:38.71
>> 2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 THEREFORE
IF ANY MAN BE IN CHRIST, HE IS A
00:14:38.71\00:14:45.28
NEW CREATURE. HE
IS A NEW CREATION.
00:14:45.28\00:14:48.65
IF WE ARE IN CHRIST, WE ARE
A NEW CREATION, A NEW CREATURE.
00:14:48.65\00:14:53.72
WHEN I USE THAT ARGUMENT ALL OF
THOSE YEARS THAT I WAS BORN THIS
00:14:53.72\00:14:58.19
WAY, JESUS HAS A
COMEBACK TO THAT.
00:14:58.19\00:15:00.96
HE SIMPLY SAYS,
WELL, THEN BE BORN AGAIN.
00:15:00.96\00:15:04.20
YOU KNOW, STOP BLAMING YOUR
HERITAGE EVEN IF YOU ARE BORN
00:15:04.20\00:15:08.44
THAT WAY, JESUS CAME TO SHOW US
THAT WE CAN BE BORN AGAIN, AND
00:15:08.44\00:15:14.21
WE CAN START OVER. >>
THE 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9 THROUGH
00:15:14.21\00:15:22.02
11. A LOT OF
TIMES WE HAVE HEARD 9
00:15:22.02\00:15:24.72
AND 10 THAT TELLS US WHO WILL
BE RECEIVED INTO HEAVEN AND WHO
00:15:24.72\00:15:28.42
WON'T BE, AND IT'S CLEAR THAT HE
SAYS THAT HOMOSEXUALS WILL NOT
00:15:28.42\00:15:35.43
ENTER INTO HEAVEN. BUT
VERSE 11 SAYS SUCH WERE SOME
00:15:35.43\00:15:39.50
OF YOU. THAT
TELLS ME THERE HAS TO BE
00:15:39.50\00:15:43.17
HEALING. THERE HAS TO BE AN
00:15:43.17\00:15:44.61
UNDERSTANDING.
THERE HAS TO BE A CHANGE.
00:15:44.61\00:15:46.27
WHAT IS THE CHANGE? IS
IT FROM GAY TO STRAIGHT?
00:15:46.27\00:15:53.42
NO. IT'S ABOUT ALLOWING JESUS TO
00:15:53.42\00:15:56.15
COME INTO YOUR LIFE AND TO
DEVELOP THAT INTIMACY WITH HIM,
00:15:56.15\00:16:00.76
GETTING TO KNOW HIM,
AND SEEKING TO DO HIS WILL.
00:16:00.76\00:16:03.73
>> IF HE IS WHO I HAVE BEEN
READING THAT HE IS, IT ALL MAKES
00:16:03.73\00:16:08.86
SENSE. LIKE HE IS
ALL KNOWING AND ALL
00:16:08.86\00:16:10.77
LOVING, AND WILLING TO TAKE
YOU BACK, AND IT'S NICE TO HAVE
00:16:10.77\00:16:16.24
SOMEBODY WHO -- IF I DON'T WANT
HIM THERE, HE IS NOT GOING TO
00:16:16.24\00:16:19.37
PUSH, BUT IF I DO, HE'S
COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY WILLING
00:16:19.37\00:16:23.91
TO JUST PICK ME UP, DUST
ME OFF, AND WALK WITH ME.
00:16:23.91\00:16:28.32
>> WHAT ARE YOU WILLING
TO GIVE UP FOR JESUS CHRIST?
00:16:28.32\00:16:30.99
WHAT ARE YOU WILLING
TO GIVE UP FOR PLEASE HIM?
00:16:30.99\00:16:34.42
WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO DO THAT
WILL BRING GLORY AND HONOR TO
00:16:34.42\00:16:38.63
HIS NAME? AND IF
IT'S TOO MUCH FOR YOU, IF
00:16:38.63\00:16:42.36
YOU WANT TO CLAIM TO SOMETHING
THAT IT APPEARS THAT DOESN'T
00:16:42.36\00:16:46.17
BRING HIM HONOR AND GLORY, HE
WON'T TAKE IT OUT OF YOUR HAND
00:16:46.17\00:16:53.98
HANDS, HE'LL INVITE
YOU WITH THE DECISION.
00:16:53.98\00:16:57.75
EVEN THOUGH WE ARRIVED WITH A
FALLEN NATURE AND THE STAIN OF
00:16:57.75\00:17:01.62
SIN ON US, HE HAS
GIVEN US THE POWER OF CHOICE.
00:17:01.62\00:17:05.59
I CAN CHOOSE FOR
HIM OR CHOOSE FOR SELF.
00:17:05.59\00:17:12.29
>> I WANT GOD TO SHOW ME
WHEN I REALLY STARTED OPENING UP
00:17:12.29\00:17:16.06
MYSELF, THAT WHAT I GET IS
NOT REJECTION, BUT ACCEPTANCE,
00:17:16.06\00:17:24.57
BELONGING, LOVE, PEACE, SAFETY.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT, NOW THAT
00:17:24.57\00:17:28.71
I HAVE TOLD YOU MY WHOLE UGLY
STORY, SOMEBODY COULD WALK UP TO
00:17:28.71\00:17:33.58
ME AND SAY, MIKE, YOU ARE
NOTHING BUT A FAGGOT, AND I
00:17:33.58\00:17:38.72
WOULD SAY WITHOUT
JESUS CHRIST YOU ARE RIGHT.
00:17:38.72\00:17:40.62
THAT'S WOULD BE ALL I WOULD BE.
BUT I DON'T DESERVE WHAT GOD HAS
00:17:40.62\00:17:47.40
GIVEN ME. BUT I
PRAISE HIM EACH AND EVERY
00:17:47.40\00:17:50.23
DAY THAT HE HAS GIVEN ME
SOMETHING ABOVE AND BEYOND
00:17:50.23\00:17:52.93
ANYTHING THAT I EVER FELT THAT
I DESERVED OR THAT I COULD EVER
00:17:52.93\00:17:57.81
ATTAIN TO, ALL BECAUSE I
ACCEPTED THE GIFT OF HIS SON
00:17:57.81\00:18:01.28
JESUS AND THE
SACRIFICE THAT WAS MADE FOR ME.
00:18:01.28\00:18:04.98
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY
LIFE, I TRULY AM WHO I AM.
00:18:04.98\00:18:09.18
¤
00:18:09.18\00:18:17.93
¤ THAT LONG BATTLE
MUST NOW BE HEARD ¤
00:18:28.50\00:18:31.91
¤ NO MORE NEED TO BE BRAVE ¤
¤ FOR THOUGH WE WALKED THROUGH
00:18:31.91\00:18:43.99
DARKEST LIGHT ¤ ¤ NOW
WE WALK INTOENLESS DAY ¤
00:18:43.99\00:18:49.92
¤ CAN YOU HEAR MY VOICE
WITH HIM, SINGING AS WE CAN ¤
00:18:49.92\00:18:56.10
¤ CAN YOU FEEL THE LOVE OF HIM
¤ ¤ CALLING HIS [ INAUDIBLE ] ¤
00:18:56.10\00:19:06.74
¤ LOOK AT EVERY GLOWING FAITH,
AND TELL OF TROUBLES OR FEARS ¤
00:19:06.74\00:19:15.65
¤ FOR THOUGH WE
WALKED IN THORNY WAYS ¤
00:19:15.65\00:19:25.29
¤
00:19:25.29\00:19:30.23
>> WOW. >> AMEN.
00:19:42.61\00:19:43.91
>> THIS IS SUCH A
BLESSING. >> ISN'T IT?
00:19:43.91\00:19:47.42
>> AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT
WE HAVE IS JUST HOW REAL AND
00:19:47.42\00:19:52.59
TRANSPARENT YOU WERE IN
THIS FILM, AND WE JUST REALLY
00:19:52.59\00:19:59.13
APPRECIATE WHAT THE
LORD HAS DONE THROUGH YOU.
00:19:59.13\00:20:01.06
>> ABSOLUTELY. AND
WE ARE GETTING SO MAY OF
00:20:01.06\00:20:04.63
YOU -- THANK YOU FOR CALLING
IN -- GREAT QUESTIONS BY THE
00:20:04.63\00:20:07.94
WAY. >> YES.
00:20:07.94\00:20:09.27
>> I THINK ALL OF US KNOW
SOMEBODY -- LIKE I SAID 20 YEARS
00:20:09.27\00:20:14.01
AGO WE MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT
IT, 30 YEARS AGO, 40 YEARS AGO,
00:20:14.01\00:20:19.28
BUT NOW WE REALIZE THIS IS
SOMETHING WE'RE DEALING WITH
00:20:19.28\00:20:22.18
WITHIN THE CHURCH,
WITHIN THE CHRISTIAN BODY.
00:20:22.18\00:20:26.15
THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT WE
NEED TO KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH,
00:20:26.15\00:20:30.29
AND -- AND -- AND COMPARISON SO
ANYTHING ELSE, BECAUSE THIS IS
00:20:30.29\00:20:34.30
NEW FOR A LOT OF
US, AND HOW DO YOU DEAL?
00:20:34.30\00:20:37.83
WE HAVE NEVER HAD PEOPLE
STANDING UP AND SAY, HEY,
00:20:37.83\00:20:41.64
I'M -- I'M GAY, BUT I WANT TO BE
A CHOIR DIRECTOR IN THE CHURCH.
00:20:41.64\00:20:45.91
NOT THAT I'M NOT PRACTICING, I'M
JUST -- AND PEOPLE DON'T KNOW
00:20:45.91\00:20:49.71
HOW -- WHAT DO WE DO? IF
WE SAY NO, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE
00:20:49.71\00:20:53.35
DON'T LOVE HIM. AND
IF WE SAY YES, THEN OUR
00:20:53.35\00:20:56.42
YOUNG PEOPLE THINK THIS IS OKAY.
SO THIS IS WHY WE NEED YOU GUYS.
00:20:56.42\00:21:01.22
THIS IS WHY WE NEED FILMS LIKE
THIS TO SAY THERE IS AN ANSWER,
00:21:01.22\00:21:07.23
AND THAT IS JESUS CHRIST,
AND HE CAN GIVE US VICTORY OVER
00:21:07.23\00:21:11.70
WHATEVER IN OUR LIFE. SO
TO ME THIS IS INCREDIBLE.
00:21:11.70\00:21:14.27
BUT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT
THE YOUNG LADY THAT'S NOT HERE
00:21:14.27\00:21:18.91
TONIGHT. IS IT ANNA?
00:21:18.91\00:21:20.44
>> ANNA. WELL, WE
MET ANNA ABOUT FOUR
00:21:20.44\00:21:25.05
YEARS AGO AT GYC, AND ACTUALLY
HER MOTHER CAME TO THE FIRST
00:21:25.05\00:21:30.09
NIGHT AND FOUND US ON THE
PROGRAM, AND SO SHE WAS MOVED BY
00:21:30.09\00:21:35.09
THOUGH HOLY SPIRIT TO BUY A
-TICKET, 170-SOME DOLLAR TICKET
FOR HER DAUGHTER, WHO SAID SHE
00:21:35.09\00:21:46.77
WASN'T GOING. AND
SHE GIVE HER THE TICKET.
00:21:46.77\00:21:49.87
AND SHE LOOKED AT THE PROGRAM
AND SAW THE GAY PUZZLE, AND WAS
00:21:49.87\00:21:55.24
ENRAGED AND ANGRY. SO
SHE SAID WHAT ARE THESE AS
00:21:55.24\00:22:02.72
ADVENTISTS UP TO NOW? AND
WHAT KIND OF HATE ARE THEY
00:22:02.72\00:22:08.16
SPREADING? AND SHE
WAS AT EVERY SINGLE
00:22:08.16\00:22:10.59
PROGRAM, AND WHAT WAS AMAZING WE
EVEN APPROACHED HER AT THE END
00:22:10.59\00:22:16.77
BECAUSE WE SAW THE ANGER.
BUT AFTER THE LAST PROGRAM, I
00:22:16.77\00:22:20.27
WENT UP AND ASKED HER
AND I SAID WHAT DO YOU THINK?
00:22:20.27\00:22:23.97
AND SHE SAY I I'M
TOTALLY COME FOUNDED.
00:22:23.97\00:22:27.91
I CAME EXPECTING HATE AND
JUDGMENT AND -- AND -- THAT YOU
00:22:27.91\00:22:30.98
WERE GOING TO BE CRUEL, AND
SHE SAID INSTEAD I FOUND LOVE,
00:22:30.98\00:22:36.28
COMPASSION, ACCEPTANCE,
AND -- AND REDEMPTION, AND ANNA
00:22:36.28\00:22:42.32
HAS BEEN AT GYC EVERY YEAR NOW
WITH US, AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT
00:22:42.32\00:22:47.76
GOD GIVES US A CHOICE.
EACH ONE OF US HAD TO MAKE A
00:22:47.76\00:22:52.10
DECISION TO FOLLOW CHRIST.
AND WE UNDERSTAND WHERE ANNA IS,
00:22:52.10\00:22:55.37
AND WE'RE NOT GIVING
UP ON HER. WE LOVE HER.
00:22:55.37\00:22:58.17
AND SHE WAS INCREDIBLY GRACIOUS
TO BE A PART OF OUR FILM, WHICH
00:22:58.17\00:23:02.11
WAS AMAZING, AND MANY PEOPLE
AROUND THE GLOBE ARE PRAYING FOR
00:23:02.11\00:23:06.38
ANNA AS WELL. >>
DON'T YOU THINK ONE OF THE
00:23:06.38\00:23:08.58
HARDEST PARTS IS -- IS KNOWING
HOW TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE AND NOT
00:23:08.58\00:23:14.06
APPEAR JUDGMENTAL -- >> YEAH.
00:23:14.06\00:23:15.92
>> -- BUT YET THERE ARE LINES
THAT YOU SAY THIS IS WHAT GOD
00:23:15.92\00:23:19.93
EXPECTS. THIS IS
WHAT HE SAYS, BUT, YOU
00:23:19.93\00:23:23.30
KNOW, WE LOVE YOU, AND GOD LOVES
US, BUT SOMETIMES IT SEEMS LIKE
00:23:23.30\00:23:28.54
WE'RE JUST AFRAID TO SAY YOU
KNOW WHAT, THE BIBLE SAYS THIS
00:23:28.54\00:23:31.87
IS
UNACCEPTABLE. I DIDN'T SAY IT.
00:23:31.87\00:23:34.04
THE LORD SAID
IT. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
00:23:34.04\00:23:36.34
>> SOYOU HAVE,
RON, TALK ABOUT THAT.
00:23:36.34\00:23:40.28
>> I JUST WANTED TO SAY ONE MORE
THING ABOUT ANNA, EVERY ONE OF
00:23:40.28\00:23:44.12
US WERE WHERE ANNA IS RIGHT NOW.
AND FOR MYSELF, I WAS IN THAT
00:23:44.12\00:23:48.96
SPOT FOR QUITE A LONG TIME UNDER
GREAT CONVICTION, BUT JUST NOT
00:23:48.96\00:23:55.56
WITH THE COURAGE YET TO MAKE THE
STEP, AND SO WE -- WE RELATE TO
00:23:55.56\00:23:59.83
HER VERY MUCH, BECAUSE WE HAVE
ALL BEEN RIGHT WHERE SHE IS, AND
00:23:59.83\00:24:03.61
WE ALL HAVE GREAT FAITH THAT
SHE IS GOING TO BE JOINING US ON
00:24:03.61\00:24:07.14
THIS SIDE OF THE
LINE SOONER OR LATER.
00:24:07.14\00:24:10.05
WE'RE GOING TO
PRAY HER OVER THE LINE.
00:24:10.05\00:24:12.05
>> YEAH, THAT'S GOOD. >>
DANIELLE, YOU ALL ARE WILLING
00:24:12.05\00:24:15.48
TO GO TO UNIVERSITIES TO
ACADEMIES TO TALK TO FOLK,
00:24:15.48\00:24:22.22
RIGHT? PUT ON PROGRAMS?
00:24:22.22\00:24:23.66
SO WE WANT THOSE FOLK TO
KNOW -- IN A LITTLE BIT WE'RE
00:24:23.66\00:24:26.90
GOING TO PUT UP AN ADDRESS,
AND I'M SURE YOU HAVE A WEBSITE,
00:24:26.90\00:24:31.27
WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT UP, BUT
YOU ARE WILLING TO GO RIGHT TO
00:24:31.27\00:24:36.27
CAMPUSES AND TALK
TO THESE YOUNG PEOPLE?
00:24:36.27\00:24:38.27
>> CERTAINLY. WE'RE
MORE THAN WILLING TO SPEAK
00:24:38.27\00:24:40.18
TO THE YOUNG PEOPLE ABOUT THIS.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE OUR
00:24:40.18\00:24:43.04
HEARTS ARE FOR THE MINISTRY.
WE WANT TO SHARE WIH EVERYONE.
00:24:43.04\00:24:46.61
BUT THAT WAS THE CHALLENGING
POINT IN OUR LIFE WHERE WE WERE
00:24:46.61\00:24:50.12
STRUGGLING FOR ANSWERS, AND WE
WISH WHEN WE WERE IN YOUR YOUTH
00:24:50.12\00:24:54.29
AND YOUNG ADULTHOOD THAT WE
HAD THE ANSWERS THAT GOD HAS
00:24:54.29\00:24:57.79
PROVIDED NOW. SO
THAT'S REALLY WHERE A LARGE
00:24:57.79\00:25:00.30
PART OF OUR BURDEN IS,
IS FOR THE YOUNG PEOPLE.
00:25:00.30\00:25:04.07
>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. YOU
WANT TO DO A FEW QUESTIONS?
00:25:04.07\00:25:07.37
>> YEAH, THAT WOULD
BE GREAT. YOU GUYS READY?
00:25:07.37\00:25:11.11
>> YEAH. >> WHAT
DOES VICTORY IN CHRIST
00:25:11.11\00:25:13.98
REALLY LOOK AND FEEL
LIKE? DOES A PERSON CONTINUE TO
00:25:13.98\00:25:17.05
STRUGGLE WITH
URGES ALL THEIR LIVES?
00:25:17.05\00:25:19.48
WHAT ABOUT OTHER SEXUAL
BONDAGES LIKE PEDOPHILIA?
00:25:19.48\00:25:24.75
>> IF I CAN JUST SAY ONE THING
ABOUT THAT REAL QUICKLY, THE
00:25:24.75\00:25:29.59
MOST VICTORIOUS MAN THAT
I HAVE EVER KNOWN WAS JESUS.
00:25:29.59\00:25:33.46
AND HE WAS TEMPTED IN ALL POINTS
LIKE WE ARE, HE SUFFERED BEING
00:25:33.46\00:25:39.73
TEMPTED, AND HE STRUGGLED WITH
BATTLING SATAN AND TEMPTATION
00:25:39.73\00:25:43.54
ALL OF HIS LIFE, AND IF WE'RE
GOING TO BE CHRIST LIKE, THEN WE
00:25:43.54\00:25:48.54
MIGHT BE LIKE CHRIST, SUFFERING
AND STRUGGLING WITH TEMPTATION
00:25:48.54\00:25:51.68
AS WELL. >> UH-HUH.
00:25:51.68\00:25:53.38
>> UH-HUH. >> ANYBODY ELSE?
00:25:53.38\00:25:55.55
>> VICTORY IS IN DAILY
SURRENDER, AND SO IT DOESN'T
00:25:55.55\00:26:00.49
MATTER WHETHER YOU ARE SAME-SEX
ATTRACTED OR HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
00:26:00.49\00:26:04.43
EATING TOO MUCH, OR STEALING,
OR PORNOGRAPHY, THE VICTORY IS
00:26:04.43\00:26:09.86
IN -- IS IN ADMITTING THAT
YOU HAVE THE PROBLEM, AND ASKING
00:26:09.86\00:26:13.50
CHRIST TO HELP YOU WITH IT,
SEEKING HIS FORGIVENESS IF YOU
00:26:13.50\00:26:18.27
FALL, AND LETTING HIM PICK
YOU BACK UP, AND CARRYING YOU.
00:26:18.27\00:26:23.78
A PROBLEM IN OUR CHURCH
ENVIRONMENTS THAT WE HAVE PUT A
00:26:23.78\00:26:28.65
HIERARCHY ON SIN, AND WE NEED TO
FOLLOW THE COMMISSION THAT GOD
00:26:28.65\00:26:33.89
HAS GIVEN US, AND THAT IS
THEREOF EVERY SINNER, NOT TO
00:26:33.89\00:26:37.76
EVER TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN, BUT
TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT AS THEY COME
00:26:37.76\00:26:41.80
INTO THE CHURCH, THAT THROUGH
OUR MESSAGES THAT ARE DELIVERED
00:26:41.80\00:26:46.74
THROUGH THE PULPIT, AND
OUR STUDY IN SABBATH SCHOOL OR
00:26:46.74\00:26:52.17
SUNDAY SCHOOL, THAT SIN CAN
BE OVERCOME, JESUS PAID FOR THE
00:26:52.17\00:26:57.55
VICTORY, AND IT'S OURS TO CLAIM.
>> THERE WAS A FRIEND OF MINE
00:26:57.55\00:27:01.52
THAT ACTUALLY SHARED WITH ME, AS
I WAS GIVING HIM MY STORY, AND
00:27:01.52\00:27:05.79
HE SAID, YOU KNOW, YOUR
TEMPTATIONS ARE DIFFERENT THAN
00:27:05.79\00:27:09.16
MINE, BUT I STILL AM TEMPTED
WITH LUST FROM A HETEROSEXUAL
00:27:09.16\00:27:13.86
STANDPOINT, SO HEAVEN IS GOING
TO BE FILLED WITH ALL KINDS OF
00:27:13.86\00:27:18.83
PEOPLE AND NOT JUST HETEROSEXUAL
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HEAVEN.
00:27:18.83\00:27:22.84
SO WE REALIZE THIS
IS A SIN TEMPTATION.
00:27:22.84\00:27:26.74
AND TEMPTATION
DOES NOT EQUAL SIN.
00:27:26.74\00:27:29.28
AND JUST BECAUSE I MAY HAVE
THOSE THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS,
00:27:29.28\00:27:33.01
IT'S WHAT I DO WITH
THEM THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
00:27:33.01\00:27:35.78
>> RIGHT. >> SO
OF OURSELVES WE CAN'T
00:27:35.78\00:27:38.29
CHANGE ANYTHING, BUT
THROUGH THE LORD, WE CAN.
00:27:38.29\00:27:41.06
WHETHER IT'S HETEROSEXUAL, GAY,
LESBIAN, WHATEVER, I THINK WHAT
00:27:41.06\00:27:45.89
YOU ARE SAYING IS, IS THAT THE
ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO GET IT
00:27:45.89\00:27:49.20
IS TO GIVE IT TO JESUS, COMMIT
IT, YOU SAY DAILY, THERE, LET
00:27:49.20\00:27:54.10
GOD COME IN -- WHEN THE LORD IS
IN OU LIFE, IT'S SEE WHO -- WHO
00:27:54.10\00:28:00.28
GOES TO THE FATHER ON OUR BEHALF
AND SAYS I KNOW WHAT THEY ARE
00:28:00.28\00:28:04.18
GOING THROUGH.
I HAVE BEEN THERE.
00:28:04.18\00:28:05.85
AND THAT'S THE
ONLY WAY WE CAN DO IT.
00:28:05.85\00:28:08.28
MY DAD USED TO SAY, SON, THERE
ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE IN HEAVEN
00:28:08.28\00:28:12.32
YOU PROBABLY NEVER DREAMED WOULD
BE THERE, AND ON THE OTHER HAND,
00:28:12.32\00:28:16.26
HE SAYS, AND I HOPE YOU AND ME
MAKE IT, BECAUSE WE MAY NOT BE
00:28:16.26\00:28:21.26
THERE, AND PEOPLE
MAY WONDER WHERE WE ARE.
00:28:21.26\00:28:24.77
>> A LOT OF TIMES CHRISTIANS
FOCUS ON HOMOSEXUALITY.
00:28:24.77\00:28:30.01
BUT THERE'S ADULTERY, FORNICATE
FORS, SO WE'RE ALL IN THIS POT
00:28:30.01\00:28:35.74
TOGETHER. OH, BY
THE WAY GOSSIPERS ARE IN
00:28:35.74\00:28:40.42
THAT LIST AS WELL. VERSE 11.
00:28:40.42\00:28:43.92
>> SUCH WERE SOME OF
YOU, BUT WE HAVE BEEN WASHED.
00:28:43.92\00:28:47.29
>> AMEN. >> AND WE
HAVE BEEN CLEANSED.
00:28:47.29\00:28:49.69
>> AMEN. >> THE
BOTOM LINE OF THIS FILM
00:28:49.69\00:28:53.26
IS REALLY IS GOD TRUSTWORTHY?
AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU
00:28:53.26\00:28:56.93
CAN'T -- YOU CAN'T GIVE UP
ANYTHING UNLESS YOU DEVELOP THAT
00:28:56.93\00:29:00.14
ONE ON ONE RELATIONSHIP WITH
JESUS CHRIST, FALLING IN LOVE
00:29:00.14\00:29:04.24
WITH HIM, CHOOSING TO
BELIEVE WHAT HIS WORD SAYS.
00:29:04.24\00:29:08.34
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE TODAY
THAT IS SAYING THAT THE WORD IS
00:29:08.34\00:29:12.05
ANTI
ANTIQUATED, BUT GOD WOULDN'T
00:29:12.05\00:29:16.12
LEAVE US THAT WAY. SO
HE HAS ASKED ME TO ABIDE IN
00:29:16.12\00:29:19.49
HIM, TO TRUST IN HIM. >> OKAY.
00:29:19.49\00:29:21.99
GOOD. LET'S DOSOME MORE.
00:29:21.99\00:29:23.53
WE HAVE SEVERAL HERE. >> OKAY.
00:29:23.53\00:29:25.26
THIS CALLER HAS
LOVED ONES WHO ARE GAY.
00:29:25.26\00:29:28.13
HOW SHOULD THE CALLER HANDLE
IT WHEN THEY COME OVER FOR AN
00:29:28.13\00:29:33.34
OVERNIGHT VISIT? >> DANIELLE?
00:29:33.34\00:29:37.74
[ LAUGHTER ] >>
WELL, I WOULD THINK THAT WE
00:29:37.74\00:29:40.08
WOULD HANDLE IT IF THEY WERE A
SAME-SEX COUPLE, JUST THE WAY WE
00:29:40.08\00:29:46.72
WERE IF THEY WERE
AN OPPOSITE-SEX COUPLE.
00:29:46.72\00:29:50.39
CHOOSE THIS DAY
WHOM YOU WILL SERVE.
00:29:50.39\00:29:52.32
AS FOR ME IN MY
HOUSE, I WILL SERVE THE LORD.
00:29:52.32\00:29:55.86
YOU KNOW, WE -- WE CAN'T
FORCE OUR CONVICTIONS UPON OTHER
00:29:55.86\00:30:00.23
PEOPLE, BUT WE DO HOLD A
ERTAIN STANDARD IN OUR HOME.
00:30:00.23\00:30:03.23
AND WE COULD DO THAT IF AN
UNMARRIED COUPLE CAME TO OUR
00:30:03.23\00:30:07.80
HOUSE ANYWAY, RIGHT? >> SURE.
00:30:07.80\00:30:09.80
>> SO I THINK WE'RE OBLIGATED TO
HOLD THE SAME STANDARDS IN OUR
00:30:09.80\00:30:14.34
HOME, BECAUSE WE -- WE WILL
BE -- WE WILL BE JUDGED FOR WHAT
00:30:14.34\00:30:18.98
WE ALLOW IN OUR HOMES, SO I
THINK IT MIGHT BE OFFENSIVE FOR
00:30:18.98\00:30:22.72
THE PERSON AT FIRST.
THEY MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND WHY
00:30:22.72\00:30:25.15
YOU COME FROM THAT ANGLE, BUT
THEY WILL RESPECT US MORE IN THE
00:30:25.15\00:30:29.36
END IF WE HOLD
TO OUR CONVICTIONS.
00:30:29.36\00:30:31.86
>> VERY GOOD. GOOD.
00:30:31.86\00:30:32.89
>> YEAH, THAT'S GOOD. >> OKAY.
00:30:32.89\00:30:34.56
>> HOW DO YOU HELP A 20-YEAR-OLD
MALE WHO IS CONVINCED HE IS A
00:30:34.56\00:30:39.53
TRANSGENDER AND IS GOING TO
PURSUE HORMONE THERAPY AND MORE?
00:30:39.53\00:30:43.24
>> WOW. I WAS 20
YEARS OLD WHEN -- FOR
00:30:43.24\00:30:46.21
THE FIRST TIME I ACTUALLY
WAS COMFORTABLE IN MY -- IN MY
00:30:46.21\00:30:50.75
MALENESS, IF YOU WOULD.
ALL OF MY LIFE THINKING THAT I
00:30:50.75\00:30:53.42
WAS UNACCEPTABLE AS A MALE,
AND THAT I SHOULD BE A FEMALE.
00:30:53.42\00:30:57.25
AND THIS BEGAN EVEN BEFORE I WAS
CONSCIOUS THROUGH THE REJECTION
00:30:57.25\00:31:01.76
OF MY FATHER AS MY GENDER ROLE
MODEL, SO AS I WAS GROWING UP,
00:31:01.76\00:31:06.33
THINKING THE ONLY SOLUTION
WAS REALLY THAT MY BODY HAD TO
00:31:06.33\00:31:09.50
CHANGE, WHAT I REALIZE NOW,
WHICH WAS REALLY COMPASSIONATE
00:31:09.50\00:31:12.93
FROM GOD'S STAND POINT IS AS
I WAS READING IN THE BIBLE, AND
00:31:12.93\00:31:17.47
IT'S AN ABOMINATION FOR A MAN TO
WEAR WOMEN'S CLOTHING AND VICE
00:31:17.47\00:31:22.98
VERSA, AND WHAT I REALIZED
WAS THE ABOMINATION WAS IN THE
00:31:22.98\00:31:27.35
BEHAVIOR, LIKE WHEN
YOU WEAR THAT CLOTHING.
00:31:27.35\00:31:29.88
AND EVERY TIME MY AUNT WOULD
TEASE MY HAIR OR THAT I PUT ON A
00:31:29.88\00:31:35.29
DRESS, IT INCREASED THIS
DISSATISFACTION WITH THE GENDER
00:31:35.29\00:31:40.96
THAT GOD GAVE ME. AND
IN JEREMIAH, IT SAYS THAT
00:31:40.96\00:31:46.37
EVEN BEFORE THE EARTH
WAS FORMED GOD NEW ME.
00:31:46.37\00:31:50.44
AND HIS THOUGHTS TOWARDS ME ARE
AS COUNTLESS AS THE SAND ON A
00:31:50.44\00:31:55.98
SEASHORE. SO THAT
TELLS ME THAT GOD WASN'T
00:31:55.98\00:32:00.62
JUST INTENSIONAL BUT THAT WAS
HE WAS LOVING AN TOOK GREAT CARE
00:32:00.62\00:32:06.05
IN HOW HE FORMED ME. SO
HE REALIZES THAT THERE WERE
00:32:06.05\00:32:10.06
REASONS WHY I WAS TRANSGENDERED,
AND THAT'S LEGITIMATE, BUT HE
00:32:10.06\00:32:14.20
SAYS JUST DON'T ACT ON THAT,
BECAUSE THAT PULLS YOU FURTHER
00:32:14.20\00:32:18.97
AWAY FROM THE INTENTIONALITY
OF THE GENDER THAT GOD GAVE ME.
00:32:18.97\00:32:23.47
>> THERE IS A GOOD
SCRIPTURE THAT APPLIES TO THIS.
00:32:23.47\00:32:27.18
AND IT TALKS ABOUT
TRANSES -- TRANSFORMATION, BUT
00:32:27.18\00:32:31.81
BE TRANSFORMED BY THE
RENEWING OF YOUR MIND.
00:32:31.81\00:32:34.62
THESE ARE MIND ISSUES.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE
00:32:34.62\00:32:38.19
BODY. IT'S THE
MIND THAT NEEDS TO BE
00:32:38.19\00:32:43.32
TRANSFORMED. AND
THAT REQUIRES THAT
00:32:43.32\00:32:44.73
SUBMISSION THAT
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
00:32:44.73\00:32:47.50
>> YOU KNOW, THE MOST IMPORTANT
COMPONENT IN SOMEBODY WHO IS
00:32:47.50\00:32:51.10
BEING DRAWN BY THEIR FEELINGS IS
THAT YOU CAN'T MAKE YOUR MIND UP
00:32:51.10\00:32:55.50
FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL, BUT IF YOU
DEMONSTRATE GOD'S LOVE TO THAT
00:32:55.50\00:32:59.27
PERSON, AND SAY YOU KNOW WHAT,
GOD LOVES YOU, AND I LVE YOU,
00:32:59.27\00:33:03.01
AND I AM NEVER GOING TO STOP
PRAYING FOR YOU, EVEN THOUGH I
00:33:03.01\00:33:06.18
KNOW YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE
NOT IN THE RIGHT BODY, GOD HAS A
00:33:06.18\00:33:10.52
SOLUTION FOR THIS, AND WAIT, AND
THEN PRAY AND ASK FOR ANY HOLY
00:33:10.52\00:33:14.42
SPIRIT TO LEAD YOU AND LEAD THAT
PERSON'S HEART, BECAUSE THEY MAY
00:33:14.42\00:33:17.69
BEGIN TO START ASKING QUESTIONS.
WHEN THEY BEGIN TO START ASKING
00:33:17.69\00:33:21.86
QUESTIONS, YOU CAN HELP IN
PROVIDING SOME SOLUTIONS, BUT IF
00:33:21.86\00:33:27.74
THEY ARE NOT ASKING FOR
QUESTIONS, DON'T HIT THEM OVER
00:33:27.74\00:33:32.07
THE HEAD WITH A BASEBALL BAT.
>> WE SPOKE TO A MAN WHO HAD A
00:33:32.07\00:33:45.35
SEX CHANGE IN HIS MID-40S, AND
THEN FOUND GOD AND WAS CHANGED
00:33:45.35\00:33:51.06
BACK. >> YEAH.
00:33:51.06\00:33:51.69
>> HERE IS ONE THAT SAYS,
DO YOU ALL REJECT SAME-SEX
00:33:51.69\00:33:57.43
RELATIONSHIPS AS WRONG?
THAT'S THE MESSAGE I'M HEARING.
00:33:57.43\00:34:00.57
THEN HE SAYS, IF SO, THIS
IS VERY DISTRESSING AND SAD.
00:34:00.57\00:34:05.07
SORRY YOU GUYS HAVE GONE THROUGH
PAIN, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ALL
00:34:05.07\00:34:09.68
DON'T REALLY ACCET THE
LBGTQ RELATIONSHIPS AS HEALTHY.
00:34:09.68\00:34:15.95
>> I CAN'T -- I CAN'T ACCEPT
SOMETHING -- WHAT GOD SHOWED ME
00:34:15.95\00:34:20.52
PERSONALLY IS THAT I CAN'T
ACCEPT WHAT HE DOESN'T ACCEPT.
00:34:20.52\00:34:23.79
AND SO GOD'S ROLE FOR US IS SET
UP OUT THERE HIS WORD ABOUT WHAT
00:34:23.79\00:34:28.03
HIS PERFECT PLAN IS. THE
THING THAT WE DON'T -- THAT
00:34:28.03\00:34:30.73
WE DON'T GO AND STUDY AND FINE
OUT IS -- IS HOW SATAN CAME INTO
00:34:30.73\00:34:38.31
THE WORLD -- AND THIS IS
AL-QAEDA WALL -- ACTUALLY HIS
00:34:38.31\00:34:48.35
PLACE. AM I
GOING TO BE TEMPTED BY
00:34:48.35\00:34:50.99
SOMETHING I DON'T
ENJOY? NOT GENERALLY.
00:34:50.99\00:34:54.16
BUT IF I GO TO GOD'S WORD AND
I SEE THAT GOD IS CALLING ME TO
00:34:54.16\00:34:59.33
LIVE FOR HIM AND NOT MY FLESH,
THEN I RECOGNIZE WHY GOD WOULD
00:34:59.33\00:35:04.77
CALL ME TO DENY SELF FOR
HIM. IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE
00:35:04.77\00:35:09.24
DEVELOP THAT
INTIMACY WITH JESUS CHRIST.
00:35:09.24\00:35:12.27
SOMEBODY CAN SAY IT'S SAD
YOU ARE DENYING YOURSELVES.
00:35:12.27\00:35:15.41
I HAVE PEOPLE SAY TO ME,
YOU ARE LIVING IN GENERAL, AND I
00:35:15.41\00:35:22.32
GENERALLY SAY,
YES, I AM, PRAISE GOD.
00:35:22.32\00:35:25.62
BECAUSE HE HAS
SOMETHING GREATER WITH ME.
00:35:25.62\00:35:29.42
I SHARE WITH PEOPLE, WAS THE
FRUIT IN THE GARDEN DELICIOUS?
00:35:29.42\00:35:34.20
I'M SURE IT WAS. BUT
WHY DID GOD NOT WANTED A DAM
00:35:34.20\00:35:39.63
AND EVE TO PARTAKE OF IT?
BECAUSE HE HAD SOMETHING BETTER
00:35:39.63\00:35:44.77
FOR US. >> HERE
IS ONE MORE THAT SAYS
00:35:44.77\00:35:47.28
WHO -- WHO
REALLY IS GOD'S PEOPLE?
00:35:47.28\00:35:50.21
IT SAYS DOESN'T THIS INCLUDE
PEOPLE WHO -- WHO ARE WITH THE
00:35:50.21\00:35:55.72
SAME GENDER, WON'T
THOSE PEOPLE BE SAVED?
00:35:55.72\00:36:00.42
THESE QUESTIONS -- THEY HAVE
JUST WATCHED THE MOVIE, AND THEY
00:36:00.42\00:36:03.26
ARE SAYING, AGAIN, ANOTHER ONE,
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE SAYING IF
00:36:03.26\00:36:07.73
SOMEBODY IS IN A SAME-SEX
RELATIONSHIP IF JESUS COME RIGHT
00:36:07.73\00:36:11.77
NOW, THEY WOULDN'T BE SAVED.
>> WELL, WE HAVE TO ASK THE
00:36:11.77\00:36:15.54
QUESTION, WHAT DOES SAVED MEAN?
AND WHEN JESUS CAME TO SAVE HIS
00:36:15.54\00:36:20.01
PEOPLE, WHAT DID HE
COME TO SAVE THEM FROM.
00:36:20.01\00:36:23.18
HE DOESN'T JUST SAVE US
FROM HELL AND SAVE US TO HEAVEN.
00:36:23.18\00:36:29.98
NO PAGAN WANTS TO GO TO HELL,
AND EVERY PAGAN WANTS TO GO TO
00:36:29.98\00:36:36.32
HEAVEN. THERE IS
MORE TO CHRISTIANITY
00:36:36.32\00:36:42.30
THAN BEING SAVING
FROM SOMETHING WE DESERVE.
00:36:42.30\00:36:45.67
THIS IS A SIN ISSUE. AND
WE DO BELIEVE HOMOSEXUALS
00:36:45.67\00:36:52.34
CAN CERTAINLY BE SAVED.
WE HAVE BEEN SAVED FROM THAT
00:36:52.34\00:36:55.68
SIN. JESUS CAME
TO SAVE US FROM OUR
00:36:55.68\00:36:58.21
SINS, AND GOD VERY PLAINLY
SPELLSOUS THAT THIS IS ONE OF
00:36:58.21\00:37:01.52
THOSE SIN ISSUES THAT HE WANTS
TO SAVE THE HOMOSEXUAL FROM.
00:37:01.52\00:37:07.89
YES, WE BELIEVE HOMOSEXUALS WILL
CERTAINLY BE SAVED, BUT THEY
00:37:07.89\00:37:12.56
NEED TO BE SAVED FROM THEIR SIN,
AND GOD IDENTIFIES WHAT SIN IS.
00:37:12.56\00:37:17.53
IT'S NOT UP TO US. >>
YOU KNOW THAT WASN'T AN EASY
00:37:17.53\00:37:20.90
DECISION FOR ANY OF US. >> NO.
00:37:20.90\00:37:23.34
>> I REMEMBER ACCEPTING JESUS IN
MY LIFE AND -- AND THINKING, YOU
00:37:23.34\00:37:28.11
KNOW, THAT MAYBE JESUS WOULD
CONVERT MY BOYFRIEND, AND WE
00:37:28.11\00:37:33.21
WOULD BE THIS
MIGHTY TEAM FOR HIM.
00:37:33.21\00:37:35.12
I KNOW, RIGHT? AND I
STARTED READING THIS IS AN
00:37:35.12\00:37:40.22
ABOMINATION, AND I
THOUGHT HOW DARE YOU.
00:37:40.22\00:37:42.96
AND AS I STARTED TO READ THE
WORD MORE, I REALIZED THAT GOD
00:37:42.96\00:37:46.76
WASN'T TELLING ME
TO STOP BEING GAY.
00:37:46.76\00:37:48.93
HE WAS TELLING ME
TO STOP RESISTING HIM.
00:37:48.93\00:37:51.83
AND HOW COULD I RESIST
HIM, UNLESS I WAS REALLY IN AN
00:37:51.83\00:37:55.97
EXPERIENCE WITH HIM. AND
THE MORE I STARTED LOVING
00:37:55.97\00:37:58.91
JESUS, I STARTED TO REALIZE THAT
I HAD TO MAKE A DECISION NOW.
00:37:58.91\00:38:02.64
AND IT WASN'T LIKE THIS MAGIC
WAND OVER THE HEAD, AND BING, IT
00:38:02.64\00:38:08.58
WAS ALL GONE. WE
REALLY STRUGGLED WITH THAT.
00:38:08.58\00:38:11.42
AND IT GOT TO A POINT WHERE
I COULD NOT LIVE WITHOUT JESUS
00:38:11.42\00:38:16.49
CHRIS  -- CHRIST. AND
AS I WAS EXPERIENCING HIM,
00:38:16.49\00:38:25.17
THAT'S WHAT GAVE ME THE
ABILITY TO EXPERIENCE HIM FULLY.
00:38:25.17\00:38:29.94
PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD ARE
THROWING OUT THE PARTS OF THE
00:38:29.94\00:38:32.44
BIBLE THAT THEY DON'T LIKE, AND
THEY THINK THAT PAUL AND MOSES
00:38:32.44\00:38:36.54
WERE IRRELEVANT. BUT
THOSE ISSUES HAVE BEEN
00:38:36.54\00:38:39.18
AROUND FOR CENTURIES.
THERE IS NOTHING NEW UNDER THE
00:38:39.18\00:38:42.88
DECISION. AND
WE'RE NOT DENYING ANYONE
00:38:42.88\00:38:44.75
ELSE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE
THE DECISION, BUT WE CHOSE TO
00:38:44.75\00:38:47.99
FOLLOW THE WORD OF GOD, AND OF
COURSE, THAT MEANT THAT WE HAD
00:38:47.99\00:38:51.96
TO MAKE GREAT
CHANGES IN OUR LIFE.
00:38:51.96\00:38:54.36
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS
GIVE OTHER PEOPLE THE OPTIONS TO
00:38:54.36\00:39:00.87
CHOOSE FROM, AND LET THEM KNOW
THERE IS POWER AND VICTORY IN
00:39:00.87\00:39:04.37
JESUS CHRIST. >> AND
NONE OF US KNEW HOW TO
00:39:04.37\00:39:07.38
EVEN MAKE THOSE
CHANGES. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
00:39:07.38\00:39:10.21
>> NONE OF US FELT LIKE THOSE
CHANGES WERE POSSIBLE FOR US IN
00:39:10.21\00:39:13.98
OUR LIFE. BUT AS WE
ACKNOWLEDGED THE GREAT
00:39:13.98\00:39:17.15
CONVICTION THAT GOD PLACED
ON OUR HEARTS, AND WE MADE
00:39:17.15\00:39:20.42
OURSELVES AVAILABLE TO HIM FOR
HIM TO SHOW US HOW TO MAKE THOSE
00:39:20.42\00:39:23.63
CHANGES, HE SHOWED US ONE STEP
AT A TIME THAT WE COULD TAKE.
00:39:23.63\00:39:27.03
AND WE STILL HAVE OUR DAILY
BATTLES AND STRUGLES, BUT IF
00:39:27.03\00:39:30.70
ANY OF US ARE WILLING TO FINALLY
COME TO THE PLACE WHERE WE SAY,
00:39:30.70\00:39:34.50
GOD, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO
NAVIGATE OUT OF THIS, I CAN'T DO
00:39:34.50\00:39:38.24
THIS ON MY OWN, BUT IF YOU CAN
HELP ME, IT'S WHEN WE FALL ON
00:39:38.24\00:39:42.58
OUR FACES AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT
WE HAVE NO ABILITY IN OURSELVES
00:39:42.58\00:39:46.85
TO MAKE THOSE KIND OF CHANGES,
THAT'S WHEN THINGS REALLY START
00:39:46.85\00:39:49.68
TO HAPPEN FOR US, BECAUSE GOD
CAN GIVE US FINALLY THE STRENGTH
00:39:49.68\00:39:53.39
IN THAT PLACE OF HUMILITY.
>> I'M HEARING THS PATTERN THAT
00:39:53.39\00:39:57.29
EACH OF YOU -- AND ALL OF US,
ACTUALLY, WITH ANY SIN -- WHEN
00:39:57.29\00:40:01.83
WE REALIZE -- WHEN WE COME
TO A PLACE OF REALIZATION THAT I
00:40:01.83\00:40:05.10
CAN'T HANDLE THIS, I CAN'T DO
THIS, BUT THAT'S WHAT GOD WANTS.
00:40:05.10\00:40:09.27
HE IS THE ONE THAT -- IT'S
HIM THAT GIVES US THE POWER.
00:40:09.27\00:40:13.61
IT'S NOT OUR POWER -- >>
SO BEFORE A VIEWER -- AND I'M
00:40:13.61\00:40:17.68
SURE THERE ARE
VIEWERS -- MILLIONS OF VIEWERS
00:40:17.68\00:40:20.45
ALL ACROSS THIS GLOBE WHO MAY
GET ANGRY WITH COMING OUT
-MINISTRIES, BEFORE YOU WOULD
00:40:20.45\00:40:26.19
GET ANGRY AT COMING OUT
MINISTRIES, WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU
00:40:26.19\00:40:29.49
TO DO SOMETHING, IT'S THE
WORD OF JESUS CHRIST THAT WE CAN
00:40:29.49\00:40:33.46
TRUST. IT IS JESUS THAT IS
CALLING US. JESUS THAT IS ASKING
00:40:33.46\00:40:37.77
US TO SURRENDER AND LIVE
ACCORDING TO HIS WILL, INSTEAD
00:40:37.77\00:40:41.47
OF OUR OWN WILL. WE
MUST EVALUATE THE PLAN OF
00:40:41.47\00:40:44.64
SALVATION, AND THE EFFECTS OF
WHAT SIN HAS HAD ON THIS WORLD.
00:40:44.64\00:40:50.45
JESUS HAS CALLED
US OUT OF TE WORLD.
00:40:50.45\00:40:53.82
EXPLORE AND
FIND OUT WHY THAT IS.
00:40:53.82\00:40:57.22
>> THEN THERE IS ANOTHER PASSAGE
OF SCRIPTURE THAT REALLY SPEAKS
00:40:57.22\00:41:00.89
TO THIS WHOLE POINT.
JEREMIAH 3, AND GOD SAYS ONLY
00:41:00.89\00:41:08.43
ACKNOWLEDGE THINE INIQUITY AND
I WILL HEAL YOUR BACKSLIDING.
00:41:08.43\00:41:12.33
WE ALL HAD TO COME TO THE POINT
THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT OUR
00:41:12.33\00:41:18.24
HOMOSEXUALITY WAS A SIN ISSUE,
AND YOU APPLY GOD'S REMEDY FOR
00:41:18.24\00:41:22.11
SIN, FRIENDS IT WORKS. IT WORKS.
00:41:22.11\00:41:25.25
BUT HE CANNOT HEAL US IF WE ARE
JUSTIFYING IT AS AN ACCEPTABLE
00:41:25.25\00:41:31.09
ALTERNATIVE WAY
OF LIFE. >> UH-HUH.
00:41:31.09\00:41:32.82
>> OR SOMETHING WE'RE JUST BORN
WITH, AND ONCE GAY ALWAYS GAY.
00:41:32.82\00:41:37.93
HE SAYS IF YOU ACKNOWLEDGE IT'S
A SIN ISSUE, THEN WE CAN GO TO
00:41:37.93\00:41:43.00
WORK AND DEAL WITH THIS. >>
WHAT WE HAVE SEEN MORE IN OUR
00:41:43.00\00:41:48.27
MINISTRY IS THIS GAY SUPPORTING
MOVEMENT THAT'S IN CHRISTIANITY
00:41:48.27\00:41:52.57
NOW, IT DOES NOTHING MORE THAN
WATER DOWN THE GOSPEL AND MAKE
00:41:52.57\00:41:57.28
CHRIST IMPOTENT, AND IF CHRIST
IS IMPOTENT, THAT IS WRONG.
00:41:57.28\00:42:11.23
AND WE WANT TO TELL PEOPLE
WHAT THE TRUTH REALLY IS, RIGHT?
00:42:11.23\00:42:15.93
SO WE TALK ABOUT CREATING THESE
SAFE SPACES IN OUR COLLEGES AND
00:42:15.93\00:42:20.60
CAMPUSES, BUT REALLY IS THAT
SAFE IF YOU ARE ALLOWING SOMEONE
00:42:20.60\00:42:22.94
TO BE LOST? >> THAT'S RIGHT.
00:42:22.94\00:42:24.47
>> WELL, I THINK -- AND ONE OF
THE THINGS THAT HIT ME WHILE YOU
00:42:24.47\00:42:28.51
ALL ARE TALKING -- MAYBE WHERE
WE AS A CHURCH HAVE FAILED, IS
00:42:28.51\00:42:37.39
BECAUSE THIS HAS S SUCH A TABOO
SUBJECT FOR SO MANY YEARS, THAT
00:42:37.39\00:42:43.76
WE DON'T KNOW HOW
TO COUNSEL PEOPLE.
00:42:43.76\00:42:48.56
AND I THINK MAYBE WE'RE NOT
THERE TO SAY, LOOK, WHATEVER
THE-SIN IS, THE PASTORS --
00:42:48.56\00:42:55.50
WHETHER IT'S UNIVERSITIES,
ACADEMIES WHATEVER, WE'RE HERE
00:42:55.50\00:43:00.38
-- SIN IS SIN, AND WE'RE NOT
HERE PICKING ONE OR THE OTHER.
00:43:00.38\00:43:02.94
AND WE'RE WILLING TO --
TO -- AND MAYBE WEN'T HAVE
00:43:02.94\00:43:06.48
HAD -- PEOPLE HAVE FELT LIKE
WITHIN THE CHURCH -- I KNOW YOU
00:43:06.48\00:43:09.58
HAVE SAID AT OTHERS -- YOU
COULDN'T REALLY JUST COME OUT
00:43:09.58\00:43:12.65
AND TELL PEOPLE, BECAUSE --
YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE WE HAD OUR
00:43:12.65\00:43:16.46
HEAD -- THE CHURCH, YO KNOW, IN
GENERAL -- MAYBE WE HAVE HAD OUR
00:43:16.46\00:43:22.26
HEAD IN THE SAND FOR TOO LONG,
BUT WHEN YOU HEAR FIGURES LIKE
00:43:22.26\00:43:26.63
ONE OF THE UNIVERSITIES THEY
WAS TOLD -- THAT THEY TOOK A
00:43:26.63\00:43:30.21
SURVEY -- ONE OF PEOPLE IN
THERE -- AND 90% OF THE YOUNG
00:43:30.21\00:43:35.14
PEOPLE IN THAT UNIVERSITY --
IN THIS SURVEY, SAID THEY DIDN'T
00:43:35.14\00:43:40.25
SEE ANYTHING WRONG
WITH SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.
00:43:40.25\00:43:44.39
>> A CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY.
>> YEAH, A CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY,
00:43:44.39\00:43:48.39
AND I COULD GET
CLOSER TO HOME, BUT I WON'T.
00:43:48.39\00:43:52.03
[ LAUGHTER ] >>
THAT'S AMAZING THING.
00:43:52.03\00:43:54.46
AND FROM MY BACKGROUND, THIS HAS
BEEN A PLAN OF THE DEVIL FOR A
00:43:54.46\00:44:03.24
LONG TIME. BUT GOD
INSTITUTED TWO THINGS AT
00:44:03.24\00:44:07.58
CREATION, THE SABBATH AND
MARRIAGE, AND SO EITHER ONE YOU
00:44:07.58\00:44:11.98
TRAMPLE ON AS A NATION,
WE TRAMPLE ON GOD'S LAWS OR
00:44:11.98\00:44:17.09
INDIVIDUALLY. AND
SOMEONE IT INTERESTING, WE
00:44:17.09\00:44:19.95
HAS SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST
CHRISTIANS, WE TALK ABOU A
00:44:19.95\00:44:22.96
NATIONAL SUNDAY LAW, WE HAVE
BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR MANY
00:44:22.96\00:44:26.23
YEARS WHEN IT HAPPENS AS A
NATION, THAT'S WHEN GOD BEGINS
00:44:26.23\00:44:29.66
TO WITHDRAW HIS SPIRIT,
AND CONFUSION BEGINS TO SET IN,
00:44:29.66\00:44:35.64
BABYLON COMES, AND WE HAVE BEEN
SO FOCUSED ON TELLING THE WORLD
00:44:35.64\00:44:39.64
WE HAVE GOT TO PREPARE, AND WHEN
THE SUNDAY LAW COMES, BECAUSE
00:44:39.64\00:44:43.85
GOD IS GOING TO WITHDRAW HIS
SPIRIT, AND THEN THE DEVIL COMES
00:44:43.85\00:44:47.28
THROUGH AND THROUGH OUR
UNITED STATES, HERE IN AMERICA,
00:44:47.28\00:44:55.12
MAKE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE THE LAW
OF THE LAND WHICH SAYS WE'RE NOT
00:44:55.12\00:44:58.89
A CHRISTIAN NATION.
PEOPLE THINK WE ARE.
00:44:58.89\00:45:02.76
WE HAVE NEVER REALLY BEEN A
CHRISTIAN NATION, BUT WE HAVE
00:45:02.76\00:45:05.93
BASED MUCH OF OUR CONSTITUTION
AND LIBERTIES ON THE LAST SIX
00:45:05.93\00:45:12.27
COME MANAGEMENTS, BECAUSE MAN
CAN'T DICTATE THE FIRST FOUR,
00:45:12.27\00:45:17.81
BUT YOU CAN THE LAST SIX AS LAW
OF THE LAND, WHICH INCLUDES FOR
00:45:17.81\00:45:23.15
200 YEARS, THE ADULTERY
COMMANDMENT WOULD INCLUDE
00:45:23.15\00:45:27.96
SAME-SEX, YOU KNOW,
HOMOSEXUALITY, ALL OF THESE
00:45:27.96\00:45:30.13
THINGS, BUT IT'S AMAZING TO
ME THAT PEOPLE WITHIN THE CHURCH
00:45:30.13\00:45:35.10
DOESN'T SEE THIS AS A BIG ISSUE.
I READ FACEBOOK, AND I'M AMAZED
00:45:35.10\00:45:40.04
AT PASTORS, AND PASTOR'S
WIVES -- I WAS AMAZED THAT ONE
00:45:40.04\00:45:44.07
OF OUR CHURCHES HAD A GAY CHOIR
COME INTO A CHRISTMAS PROGRAM AT
00:45:44.07\00:45:49.41
THEIR CHURCH. AND I
SAY WHAT DOES THIS SAY TO
00:45:49.41\00:45:53.31
OUR YOUNG PEOPLE IF WE'RE GOING
TO LET THESE FOLK MINISTER TO
00:45:53.31\00:45:58.35
US? HOW DO WE
GET FROM -- AND I'M
00:45:58.35\00:46:01.09
GOING TO TELL OUR MASTER
CONTROL NOW -- THAT WE RARELY DO
00:46:01.09\00:46:06.23
THERE -- BECAUSE WE
WERE SUPPOSED TO BE OUT IN 11
00:46:06.23\00:46:10.27
MINUTES -- BUT BECAUSE I HAVE
TALKED TOO MUCH, ARE YOU OKAY
00:46:10.27\00:46:13.74
WITH GOING AN EXTRA 30
MINUTES? ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT
00:46:13.74\00:46:18.81
>> SURE. >> BUT
I THINK THIS IS SO
00:46:18.81\00:46:21.88
IMPORTANT, THAT HOW DO WE
GET TO THE POINT THAT SAME-SEX
00:46:21.88\00:46:26.51
MARRIAGE, EVEN WITHIN OUR YOUNG
PEOPLE, IT'S JUST NO BIG DEAL,
00:46:26.51\00:46:32.75
AND WE'RE NOT PREPARED. BECAUSE
IF WE'RE SD-- DECEIVED IN
00:46:32.75\00:46:41.96
THE SUNDAY LAW, COULDN'T
BE WE DECEIVED BY ANY LAW THAT
00:46:41.96\00:46:48.10
TRAMPLED ON. AND NOW
WE HAVE PEOPLE -- AND
00:46:48.10\00:46:50.41
HOW DID IT HAPPEN BRIEFLY?
AS YOU KNOW FORMER PRESIDENT
00:46:50.41\00:46:55.08
OBAMA AND HILLARY CLINTON,
THEY BELIEVED IN CON REPRESENT
00:46:55.08\00:47:01.92
-- CONVENTIONAL
MARRIAGE, ONE MAN, ONE WOMAN.
00:47:01.92\00:47:05.52
AND BECAUSE OF PRESSURE PUT ON
HIM, HE RAN OPENLY WITH SAME-SEX
00:47:05.52\00:47:10.63
MARRIAGE -- SUPPORT OF THAT.
YET MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN OUR
00:47:10.63\00:47:14.76
CHURCHES VOTED FOR HIM ANYWAY.
THEY SAID I DON'T REALLY SUPPORT
00:47:14.76\00:47:18.70
THAT, BUT I LIKE OTHER THINGS
THAT HE DOES, OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
00:47:18.70\00:47:24.47
NOW WE KNOW THAT IS HAPPENING.
WE HIRED KEVIN JENNINGS, AND PUT
00:47:24.47\00:47:31.11
HIM IN CHARGE OF
THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM.
00:47:31.11\00:47:34.25
AND IF YOU LOOK UP KEVIN
JENNINGS, ONE OF THE LARGEST GAY
00:47:34.25\00:47:39.75
AND LESBIAN -- LBG -- WHATEVER
THE LETTERS ARE -- BUT HE
00:47:39.75\00:47:45.33
CHARGED OF BULLYING IN SCHOOLS.
KEVIN JENNINGS STARTED UP OVER
00:47:45.33\00:47:52.47
3,500 GAY AND LESBIAN CLUBS.
THEY INTRODUCED MATERIALS TO
00:47:52.47\00:47:56.50
YOUNG GRADE SCHOOLERS, STARTING
7TH GRADE ON, THEY BEGAN TO TELL
00:47:56.50\00:48:00.61
PEOPLE, YOU NEED TO
EXPERIMENT, YOU MIGHT BE GAY.
00:48:00.61\00:48:05.08
YOU MAY BE HOMOSEXUAL.
THE GOVERNMENT PUT IN SEVERAL
00:48:05.08\00:48:09.88
HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, AND
KEVIN JENNINGS, I HAVE READ IT
00:48:09.88\00:48:12.79
IN HIS OWN ARTICLES -- AND HE
SAID THIS IS THE GREATEST THING
00:48:12.79\00:48:16.66
THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED.
BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE NEVER
00:48:16.66\00:48:20.43
DREAMED I EVER COULD HAVE RAISED
ENOUGH MONEY TO CHANGE THE
00:48:20.43\00:48:24.77
PERSPECTIVE. IT USED
TO BE DICK, JANE, AND
00:48:24.77\00:48:28.30
SALLY -- AND NOW IT
MIGHT BE -- >> NICK AND RICK.
00:48:28.30\00:48:32.17
>> YEAH, WHATEVER. BUT
THEY HAVE NORMALIZED THAT SO
00:48:32.17\00:48:36.28
MUCH, IT HA
AFFECTED OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.
00:48:36.28\00:48:38.85
BUT THE OLDER GENERATIONS
LIKE MYSELF, THAT'S NOT EVEN
00:48:38.85\00:48:42.68
SOMETHING THAT CAN COMPUTE WITH
US, BUT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE
00:48:42.68\00:48:47.39
FACT, IT'S HERE. IT'S
NOW, AND WHAT ARE WE GOING
00:48:47.39\00:48:50.23
TO DO IT WITH THE CHURCH.
ONE LAST THING -- AND THEN WE'LL
00:48:50.23\00:48:53.76
TURN IT BACK -- SINLS -- SINCE
WE HAVE EXTRA TIME, THEN I'LL
00:48:53.76\00:49:00.47
TURN IT BACK. ONE OF THE
CHURCHES THAT I KNOW -OF, ONE OF
THE MEN CAME OUT AND
00:49:00.47\00:49:06.21
SAID, I'M GAY. HE
WAS A CHOIR DIRECTOR.
00:49:06.21\00:49:08.91
AND THEY SAID YOU CAN'T
DO THAT, SO THEY LET HIM GO.
00:49:08.91\00:49:12.05
BUT ONE OF THE OTHER CHURCHES
IN A UNIVERSITY CITY, THE
00:49:12.05\00:49:16.18
NEWSPAPERS CAME OUT, OTHERS
CAME OUT, AND SAID LOOK AT HOW
00:49:16.18\00:49:20.62
TERRIBLE THIS CHURCH IS, THIS
UNIVERSITY -- THIS CHURCH FOR
00:49:20.62\00:49:23.99
LETTING THIS MAN
GO. THAT'S TERRIBLE.
00:49:23.99\00:49:25.93
SO BECAUSE OF SO MUCH PUBLIC
SCRUTINY, LOOKING LIKE THE
00:49:25.93\00:49:29.36
CHURCH WAS A HATER, NOT
ACCEPTING, ANOTHER CHURCH IN THE
00:49:29.36\00:49:34.20
COMMUNITY SAID YOU
CAN BE OUR CHOIR DIRECTOR.
00:49:34.20\00:49:36.64
BUT I SAID NOW WHAT DO PEOPLE
EXPECT -- NOW THIS IS AN OLD GUY
00:49:36.64\00:49:41.31
TALKING -- SO SOME OF IT MAY
BE FROM IGNORANCE, BUT I SAID
00:49:41.31\00:49:46.82
NOW -- THEY SAID WE HAVE TO DO
THIS, BECAUSE IT LOOKS SO BAD IF
00:49:46.82\00:49:51.22
WE REJECT SOMEONE LIKE THIS.
AND I SAID WHAT IF I GOT UP AND
00:49:51.22\00:49:55.89
SAID, LOOK, I'M AN ADULTER, BUT
I WOULD LIKE TO BE YOUR CHOIR
00:49:55.89\00:50:00.70
DIRECTOR, AND I JUST LIKE
WOMEN. I WAS BORN THAT WAY.
00:50:00.70\00:50:03.43
THAT'S WHO I AM. SO
I'M -- YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU
00:50:03.43\00:50:09.17
HIRE ME? THEY
ARE GOING TO SAY NO.
00:50:09.17\00:50:11.91
WHAT IF I SAID I'M A DRUG
ADDICT, BUT I REALLY WANT TO BE
00:50:11.91\00:50:19.11
YOUR CHOIR
DIRECTOR, WOULD YOU HIRE ME?
00:50:19.11\00:50:22.08
THE ANSWER IS GOING TO BE
NO. AND I SAID I JUST GOT OUT OF
00:50:22.08\00:50:26.19
PRISON, BECAUSE I'M A THIEF,
I HAVE ROBBED SOME BANKS, BUT I
00:50:26.19\00:50:32.03
WANT TO BE YOUR
TREASURER IN YOUR CHURCH?
00:50:32.03\00:50:34.83
WOULD YOU HIRE ME TO BE A
TREASURER -- I'M NOT SAYING I
00:50:34.83\00:50:39.60
USED TO BE. I'M
SAYING I AM A THIEF.
00:50:39.60\00:50:42.70
BUT I WANT YOU TO TRUST
ME. WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO SAY?
00:50:42.70\00:50:45.84
THEY ARE GOING TO SAY NO TO ME.
WHETHER -- IF I GOT UP AND SAID,
00:50:45.84\00:50:50.05
LOOK, I'M AN ALCOHOLIC -- NOT I
WAS -- I'M AN ALCOHOLIC -- I'M A
00:50:50.05\00:50:56.85
PRACTICING ALCOHOLIC, BUT
I REALLY WANT TO BE A YOUTH
00:50:56.85\00:51:00.46
PASTOR. THEY
ARE GOING TO SAY NO.
00:51:00.46\00:51:02.82
THIS IS THE ONLY SUBJECT I CAN
THINK OF, THAT IF YOU SAY, I'M
00:51:02.82\00:51:07.10
GAY, THAT THE CHURCH SHOULD
EMBRACE ME, AND THE CHURCH SAYS
00:51:07.10\00:51:12.77
WE BETTER OR IT WILL LOOK BAD TO
THE COMMUNITY, SO WE'RE GOING
TO-ALLOW HIM TO COME -- I'M
00:51:12.77\00:51:20.98
STILL STRUGGLING WITH
THAT. I HAVE PAID MY PEACE --
00:51:20.98\00:51:23.88
>> CAN I SAY SOMETHING TO
THAT. WHAT HAS HAPPENED THROUGH
00:51:23.88\00:51:27.18
LEGISLATION, THROUGH SOCIETY,
THROUGH THE BRAINWASHING OF
00:51:27.18\00:51:29.88
SOCIETY, ACTUALLY IS THAT A
MORAL ISSUE HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT
00:51:29.88\00:51:36.49
OF MORALITY AND
PLACED INTO A CIVIL ISSUE.
00:51:36.49\00:51:40.00
IT'S -- SATAN THINKS THAT HE
CAN TAKE THIS OUT OF THE -- THE
00:51:40.00\00:51:43.80
CATEGORY OF MORALITY, AND
THEREFORE IT CAN BE LEGISLATED
00:51:43.80\00:51:47.80
AND NORMALIZED, BUT
AS CHRISTIANS, WE HAVE TO
00:51:47.80\00:51:51.54
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT GOD'S LAW
TRUMPS MAN'S LAW, AND WE TAKE IT
00:51:51.54\00:51:55.68
RIGHT BACK AND PUT IT IN THE POT
WITH THE MORAL ISSUES, AND DEAL
00:51:55.68\00:52:00.05
WITH IT, AS SUCH. >> RIGHT.
00:52:00.05\00:52:04.39
AND THAT YVONNE HAS CAUSED
A HUGE IMPACT IN THE BLACK
00:52:04.39\00:52:08.06
COMMUNITY, BECAUSE TAKING THAT
FROM A MORAL, TYING IT TO CIVIL
00:52:08.06\00:52:12.16
RIGHTS. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
00:52:12.16\00:52:13.73
NOW YOU BECOME A BIGOT IF YOU
DON'T ACCEPT HOMOSEXUALITY, NOW
00:52:13.73\00:52:23.61
YOU ARE CONSIDERED A BIGOT, AND
PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE
00:52:23.61\00:52:28.51
THEY ARE HATING
A GROUP OF PEOPLE.
00:52:28.51\00:52:30.15
SO THEY WILL SAY, WELL, THIS
THE A -- A -- A SITUATION WHERE
00:52:30.15\00:52:36.55
WE -- WE CAN'T CROSS THAT LINE.
WE CAN'T SAY THIS IS A SIN.
00:52:36.55\00:52:41.46
IF YOU SAY IT'S A SIN,
YOU -- YOU CAN'T EQUATE IN
00:52:41.46\00:52:46.23
SOCIETY NOW -- YOU CAN'T EQUATE
HOMOSEXUALITY WITH ALCOHOLISM,
00:52:46.23\00:52:53.90
OR DRUG ADDICTION, OR
PEDOPHILIA, OR ANY OTHER
00:52:53.90\00:52:58.87
BONDAGE, BECAUSE THAT IS
CONSIDERED BEING A HATER.
00:52:58.87\00:53:01.71
AND THE STRATEGY TO YOUR POINT,
RON, OF LINKING THE TWO, THE
00:53:01.71\00:53:06.05
CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUES WITH A SIN
ISSUE, A MORAL ISSUE HAS BEEN
00:53:06.05\00:53:13.12
AMAZING, ESPECIALLY -- TO
ME, I HAVE SEEN IT IN THE BLACK
00:53:13.12\00:53:17.83
COMMUNITY, WHERE THERE WAS NOT
A LOT OF ACCEPTANCE OF THE GAY
00:53:17.83\00:53:21.46
CULTURE PREVIOUSLY, BUT NOW
BECAUSE THEY ARE PAIRED AS A
00:53:21.46\00:53:25.73
CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE, NOW
IT'S -- NOW WE'RE ALL IN THE
00:53:25.73\00:53:29.94
SAME DEAL. WELL,
NO, WE'RE NOT, BECAUSE
00:53:29.94\00:53:33.88
BEING BLACK IS
DIFFERENT FROM BEING GAY.
00:53:33.88\00:53:36.08
AND I THINK THAT -- THAT'S
WHERE -- YOU KNOW, THAT WHOLE
00:53:36.08\00:53:39.78
CULTURE THING HAS COLLIDED.
SO I -- IT'S -- IT WAS A VERY
00:53:39.78\00:53:44.99
SHREWD STRATEGY TO ME
OF SATAN TO LINK THE TWO.
00:53:44.99\00:53:49.76
BECAUSE NOW YOU CAN'T COME OUT,
REALLY, AND TALK AGAINST IT.
00:53:49.76\00:53:53.03
>> SO JUST TO ADD -- BASICALLY
ON THE EXAMPLE YOU WERE GIVING
00:53:53.03\00:53:56.80
DANNY, YOU KNOW, SO, OKAY, YOU
ARE NOT READY TO BE THE CHOIR
00:53:56.80\00:54:02.10
DIRECTOR, BUT YOU CERTAINLY
DESERVE TO BE LOVED BY THE
00:54:02.10\00:54:04.81
CHURCH, AND YOU DESERVE TO BE
BROUGHT INTO THE CHURCH AND TO
00:54:04.81\00:54:07.68
BE NURTURED, SO WE DON'T WANT TO
DISCOUNT THAT EITHER, AND I ANY
00:54:07.68\00:54:11.68
THAT HAS GOTTEN LOST A LOT
OF TIMES IN CHRISTIANITY TOO.
00:54:11.68\00:54:15.05
THE GAY COMMUNITY I THINK HAVE A
LEGITIMATE GRIPE WHEN THEY TALK
00:54:15.05\00:54:20.99
ABOUT THE WAY THEY WERE TREATED
BY CHRISTIANITY, AND THAT'S WHAT
00:54:20.99\00:54:25.46
COMING OUT MINISTRIES
REALLY WANTS TO CHANGE.
00:54:25.46\00:54:26.93
WHEN WE HAD THE PROTEST AT THE
PASADENA CHURCH IN CALIFORNIA,
00:54:26.93\00:54:31.70
THAT WAS AMAZING. THAT'S
WAS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE
00:54:31.70\00:54:36.40
THINK EVERY CHURCH
SHOULD BE TO AN LBGT PERSON.
00:54:36.40\00:54:42.54
>> TELL US ABOUT THAT.
>> WE ALREADY HAD THIS LAID
00:54:42.54\00:54:48.05
OUT -- >> YOU
ARE GOING TO A CHURCH
00:54:48.05\00:54:49.95
TO -- TO TALK
ABOUT THIS -- >> YES.
00:54:49.95\00:54:52.09
>> AND YOU KNEW THERE
WERE GOING TO BE PROTESTERS.
00:54:52.09\00:54:55.79
>> THERE WAS A PETITION
ONLINE TO TRY TO SHUT US DOWN.
00:54:55.79\00:54:58.83
AND THE PASTOR EVEN SAID, NO,
WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHUT IT DOWN,
00:54:58.83\00:55:03.26
AND THEN THEY DID
THIS AMAZING THING.
00:55:03.26\00:55:05.90
>> THE PASTOR REALLY IN MY
OPINION WAS THE DRIVING FORCE.
00:55:05.90\00:55:10.27
AND WAYNE AND I
DIDN'T CHANGE A THING WE DO.
00:55:10.27\00:55:14.14
BUT THIS CHURCH WITH THEIR
LITTLE LADIES IN SUITS THEY
00:55:14.14\00:55:18.68
OFFER THE PROTESTERS WITH THEIR
MOHAWKS AND SIGNS AND ATTITUDES,
00:55:18.68\00:55:25.12
BUT THEY OFFERED THEM HOT
CHOCOLATE AND WATER AND MUFFIS,
00:55:25.12\00:55:28.42
AND THEY SAID IF YOU GET TIRED
COME IN AND REST, AND MAYBE
00:55:28.42\00:55:34.46
ATTEND A COUPLE OF THE MEETINGS.
AND THE PASTOR WHO YOU WOULDN'T
00:55:34.46\00:55:38.17
KNOW IF HE WAS THE JANITOR OF
PASTOR, HE WENT UP TO ONE OF THE
00:55:38.17\00:55:48.54
PROTESTERS, AND
SAID PLEASE COME IN.
00:55:48.54\00:55:51.75
AND HE SAID NO, MY
JOB IS TO HOLD THE FLAG.
00:55:51.75\00:55:56.25
AND HE SAID I'LL HOLD
THE FLAG, COME IN AND EAT.
00:55:56.25\00:56:03.99
AND THAT'S WHAT
THE COMMUNITY NEEDS.
00:56:03.99\00:56:06.59
WE WERE MISTREATED WHEN WE WERE
IN THE CHURCH, AND PEOPLE ARE
00:56:06.59\00:56:10.27
STILL AGHAST THAT WE WOULD COME
BACK TO THE SAME CHURCH THAT
00:56:10.27\00:56:14.40
MISTREATED US, BUT THE
RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST WAS
00:56:14.40\00:56:18.01
WHAT MADE THE DIFFERENCE.
>> ANOTHER FAMILY CAME OUT AND
00:56:18.01\00:56:23.04
SAID WE JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW WE
LOVE YOU AND WE CARE ABOUT YOU,
00:56:23.04\00:56:28.05
AND THE PROTESTER LATER ON
FACEBOOK PUT THE PICTURE AND PUT
00:56:28.05\00:56:32.35
A COMMENT AND SAI THIS IS
WHAT CHRISTIANITY SHOULD BE ALL
00:56:32.35\00:56:36.52
ABOUT. BY THE END
OF THE DAY THERE WAS
00:56:36.52\00:56:43.33
JUST A HANDFUL OF
PROTESTERS THAT WERE LEFT THERE.
00:56:43.33\00:56:46.23
THE CHURCH WAS ICONIC IN
HOW A CHURCH SHOULD RESPOND TO A
00:56:46.23\00:56:49.40
THREAT OF PROTESTS. >> UH-HUH.
00:56:49.40\00:56:51.81
>> LAY THE LOVE
OF JESUS ON THEM.
00:56:51.81\00:56:54.01
SHOW THAT JESUS
MINGLED WITH SINNERS.
00:56:54.01\00:56:56.68
HE INVITES THEM IN.
WE CAN BE FED TOGETHER.
00:56:56.68\00:56:59.88
>> LOVE FOUND A WAY. >> AMEN.
00:56:59.88\00:57:01.85
>> AMEN. >> THIS
COMMENT HERE IS VERY
00:57:01.85\00:57:05.09
GOOD. IT GOES ALONG WITH THIS.
00:57:05.09\00:57:08.86
FOR SOMEONE LIKE ME WHO LIVED
A LOOSE LIFE, HE MAY NOT BE
00:57:08.86\00:57:13.09
REMOVED FROM ALL OF
HIS DESIRES AT ONCE.
00:57:13.09\00:57:15.80
I WANTED TO COMMITMENT SUICIDE,
HOWEVER, WHEN I WAS BAPTIZED I
00:57:15.80\00:57:19.37
CAME OUT OF THE WATER AND WAS
FREE FROM THAT SINFUL PART OF MY
00:57:19.37\00:57:24.84
LIFE SINCE 1996.
THE CHURCH NEEDS TO STOP
00:57:24.84\00:57:31.91
PERSECUTING PEOPLE
THAT ARE SEEKING HELP.
00:57:31.91\00:57:33.62
THE CHURCH SHOULDN'T ASSUME
BECAUSE A PERSON WAS A CERTAIN
00:57:33.62\00:57:36.82
WAY IN THE PAST THAT THEY
WILL ALWAYS BE THERE THAT WAY.
00:57:36.82\00:57:40.32
THANK YOU, 3ABN
FOR DOING THIS PROGRAM.
00:57:40.32\00:57:42.56
SO IT WAS KIND OF WHAT WE
WERE SAYING, WE NEED TO LOVE
00:57:42.56\00:57:45.26
PEOPLE -- IT'S OKAY TO POINT OUT
WHAT SIN IS, BUT THEN WE'RE ALL
00:57:45.26\00:57:49.36
SINNERS SAVED BY GRACE, SO
WE CAN KIND OF POINT OUT OUT TO
00:57:49.36\00:57:54.17
EACH OTHER, BUT OURS MAY BE AS A
CHURCH NOT LOVING PEOPLE ENOUGH.
00:57:54.17\00:57:59.57
>> UH-HUH. >> SO
OUR MINISTRY IS NOT JUST
00:57:59.57\00:58:02.58
TO REACH PEOPLE THAT STRUGGLE
WITH SAME-SEX ATTRACTION.
00:58:02.58\00:58:05.38
OUR MISSION IS REALLY
TO EDUCATE THE CHURCH.
00:58:05.38\00:58:09.15
BRING US TO YOUR CHURCH.
BRING US TO YOUR UNIVERSITY.
00:58:09.15\00:58:14.36
LET US SHOW YOU WHAT
REAL LOVE LOOKS LIKE.
00:58:14.36\00:58:18.16
>> I WANT TO PUT UP AN ADDRESS,
WHERE IN WHAT NORMALLY -- THE
00:58:18.16\00:58:22.83
PROGRAM WOULD BE OVER RIGHT NOW,
BUT WE'RE EXTENDING THE EXTRA 30
00:58:22.83\00:58:28.54
MINUTES, WHICH WE DO VERY
RARELY, BUT I REALLY FEEL THE
00:58:28.54\00:58:35.14
HOLY SPIRIT HERE. WE
HAVE A GROUP HERE THAT IS
00:58:35.14\00:58:39.88
VERY UNUSUAL, MAY NOT BE ANY ONE
LIKE IT, YOU GUYS AND THE FILM
00:58:39.88\00:58:44.82
THAT YOU DID -- DONE IS
ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL, BUT WHAT
00:58:44.82\00:58:49.22
THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TO BE
ABLE TO JUST GIVE THESE AWAY TO
00:58:49.22\00:58:53.23
EVERYBODY THAT WANTS THEM.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO PUT THEM OUT
00:58:53.23\00:58:57.20
LIKE THE LEAVES OF AUTUMN.
THEY CAN'T DO IT WHEN I JOKED
00:58:57.20\00:59:01.20
AND ASKED IF THEY ARE
MILLIONAIRES, I HAPPEN TO KNOW
00:59:01.20\00:59:04.31
THAT THE ARE NOT, BUT THEY DO
HAVE A NON-PROFIT MINISTRY, AND
00:59:04.31\00:59:09.94
I'M GOING TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO
PRAY AND SAY LORD WHAT WOULD YOU
00:59:09.94\00:59:16.05
HAVE ME DO TO
SUPPORT THIS MINISTRY?
00:59:16.05\00:59:20.42
THEY ARE ABLE TO SHIP THEM OUT,
AND TO HAND ONE TO EVERYONE WHO
00:59:20.42\00:59:24.23
WANTS ONE, WHO WILL WATCH IT
AND PASS IT ON TO SOMEONE ELSE.
00:59:24.23\00:59:27.96
THEY CAN'T DO
THAT WITHOUT FINANCES.
00:59:27.96\00:59:30.20
THEY HAVE NOT ASKED KNOW DO
-THIS. THEY DIDN'T COME HERE TO
00:59:30.20\00:59:34.80
SAY WE WANT TO RAISE FUNDS.
BUT SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE IT;
00:59:34.80\00:59:40.28
THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS --
HAS PROMPTED ME TO DO THIS.
00:59:40.28\00:59:43.68
I COULD TALK ABOUT
ALL OF THE NEEDS AT 3ABN.
00:59:43.68\00:59:46.38
BUT THIS IS 3ABN.
THAT'S WHY 3ABN IS HERE.
00:59:46.38\00:59:49.88
THAT'S WHY WE'RE IN
EXISTENCE IS TO GET THE TRUTH.
00:59:49.88\00:59:53.09
SO WHETHER IT'S A PREACHER
PREACHER, DOUG BATCHELOR DOING
00:59:53.09\00:59:56.86
HIS SEMINAR, OR YOU ARE COMING
OUT MINISTRIES, OR SOMEONE ELSE
00:59:56.86\00:59:59.63
DOING THEIR MUSIC,
IT'S ALL PART OF 3ABN.
00:59:59.63\01:00:03.97
IT'S PART OF WHAT WE AS A
PEOPLE AND AS BEING PART OF THE
01:00:03.97\01:00:08.44
SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH,
MANY OF US OUR, THAT'S OUR GOAL,
01:00:08.44\01:00:11.67
OUR MISSION AND MESSAGE IS TO
TAKE THE UNDILUTED THREE ANGELS'
01:00:11.67\01:00:16.28
MESSAGE, ONE THAT WOULD
COUNTERACT THE COUNTERFEIT INTO
01:00:16.28\01:00:18.61
ALL OF THE WORLD. >> I MEN.
01:00:18.61\01:00:20.62
>> SO TRUTH IS TRUTH IS TRUTH.
SO I'M GOING TO PUT UP THEIR
01:00:20.62\01:00:24.75
ADDRESS -- SO I'M LETTING MASTER
CONTROL KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW.
01:00:24.75\01:00:28.29
I'M GOING TO PUT UP THEIR
ADDRESS RIGHT NOW, AND YOU PRAY
01:00:28.29\01:00:33.09
AND ASK THE HOLY SPIRIT, WRITE
THIS DOWN -- I HOPE YOU ARE
01:00:33.09\01:00:35.86
RECORDING THE PROGRAM IF YOU ARE
WATCHING IT OR LISTENING TO IT,
01:00:35.86\01:00:38.73
BUT IF YOU DO NOT GET THIS
ADDRESS, YOU CAN ALWAYS GOING TO
01:00:38.73\01:00:41.80
THE WEBSITE, AND BEFORE THE
PROGRAM ENDS, WE'LL PUT IT UP
01:00:41.80\01:00:45.41
ONE MORE TIME, BUT WE -- I
BELIEVE THERE ARE MANY OF YOU
01:00:45.41\01:00:48.64
WHO SAY YOU KNOW
WHAT, I NEED TO HELP.
01:00:48.64\01:00:51.55
THIS IS SOMETHING I CAN DO.
WE'RE ALL AFFECTED BY THIS, ONE
01:00:51.55\01:00:55.02
WAY OR ANOTHER. IT'S
AFFECTING OUR YOUNG PEOPLE
01:00:55.02\01:00:59.15
IN CHOUR. THEY ARE
THE CHURCH OF TOMORROW.
01:00:59.15\01:01:00.49
>> AMEN. >> AND SO
WHAT I AM GOING TO DO?
01:01:00.49\01:01:03.83
I DON'T WANT TO
BE HELD RESPONSIBLE.
01:01:03.83\01:01:07.03
SO I MYSELF AM GOING TO GIVE A
GIFT -- IT WON'T BE A HUGE ONE.
01:01:07.03\01:01:12.33
I'M NOT A MULTI-MILLIONAIRE
OR EVEN A MILLIONAIRE, NOT EVEN
01:01:12.33\01:01:17.14
CLOSE, TO TELL YOU THE
TRUTH -- BUT I'M GOING TO
01:01:17.14\01:01:19.47
GIVE --AND I KNOW YOU SAID
WE'RE GOING TO GIVE -- SO SHE'S
01:01:19.47\01:01:23.08
GOING TO GIVE.
I'M GOING TO GIVE.
01:01:23.08\01:01:24.71
AND I'M ASKING THOSE OF YOU AT
HOME TO CONSIDER SUPPORTING THIS
01:01:24.71\01:01:31.05
MINISTRY NOT ONLY
PRAYERFULLY, BUT FINANCIALLY.
01:01:31.05\01:01:34.16
SO RIGHT NOW, WE'LL PUT
TH ADDRESS ON THE SCREEN.
01:01:34.16\01:01:37.63
>> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTACT
COMING OUT MINISTRIES, YOU MAY
01:01:37.63\01:01:40.63
WRITE TO:
01:01:40.63\01:01:44.57
CONTACT THEM TODAY, THEY
WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU.
01:02:12.26\01:02:15.53
¤ >> WOW.
01:02:15.53\01:02:20.67
THAT -- TO ME, THIS
DISCUSSION IS JUST SO IMPORTANT.
01:02:20.67\01:02:23.44
ONE THING I WANTED TO ADD,
THOUGH, WAS THAT I -- I HAVE
01:02:23.44\01:02:27.24
HEARD -- I HAVE TALKED TO YOU
GUYS INDIVIDUALLY, AND ONE OF
01:02:27.24\01:02:30.58
THE THINGS THAT STANDINGS OUT
TO-ME WAS THAT WHEN YOU WERE IN
GAY CULTURE, THERE WAS THIS
01:02:30.58\01:02:36.95
ACCEPTANCE. THERE
WAS THIS LOVE THAT YOU
01:02:36.95\01:02:38.72
WERE SHOWN. IT WAS
LIKE UNCONDITIONAL.
01:02:38.72\01:02:43.16
WE'RE ALL IN THIS
TOGETHER, AND THAT WAS IT.
01:02:43.16\01:02:46.09
AND THAT'S WHAT WE AS
CHRISTIANS SHOULD BE DOING.
01:02:46.09\01:02:48.50
WE SHOULD BE LOVING YOU. WE
SHOULD BE SAYING WE'RE ALL IN
01:02:48.50\01:02:51.93
THIS TOGETHER, WHETHER THIS IS
YOUR ISSUE, AND SOMETHING ELSE
01:02:51.93\01:02:54.60
IS MY ISSUE, BUT WE'RE ALL
IN THIS ISSUE TOGETHER -- THIS
01:02:54.60\01:02:58.71
SOUP, THIS BOWL, THIS BOAT
TOGETHER, AND WE HAVE TO SHOW
01:02:58.71\01:03:02.68
LOVE TO EVERYONE. >> YEAH.
01:03:02.68\01:03:04.78
>> SO EVERYONE IS
WELCOME WITHIN THE CHURCHES.
01:03:04.78\01:03:07.68
I THINK WE --
WE'RE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
01:03:07.68\01:03:10.15
>> UH-HUH. >> IT'S
JUST THAT -- YOU KNOW,
01:03:10.15\01:03:12.85
LEADERSHIP POSITIONS, IF YOU ARE
OUTWARDLY LIVING IN REBELLION TO
01:03:12.85\01:03:18.06
GOD'S LAW, THAT'S A DIFFERENT
STORY, BUT WE SHOULD ALL BE IN
01:03:18.06\01:03:23.47
CHURCH. >> YVONNE
JUST BEFORE THE BREAK
01:03:23.47\01:03:26.03
I WAS CHOPPING AT THE BIT
TO STEAL THE MESSAGE OF MIC
01:03:26.03\01:03:31.17
AND THAT IS LET'S TAKE THE CROWN
OFF OF HOMOSEXUALITY, AND THROW
01:03:31.17\01:03:35.91
THAT SIN DOWN INTO THE POOL OF
ALL OF THE OTHER SINS, AND STOP
01:03:35.91\01:03:44.45
LOOKING AT IT AS
THOUGH IT IS THE CHIEF SIN.
01:03:44.45\01:03:47.92
AND LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO
SURRENDER OUR SINS AND LIVE FOR
01:03:47.92\01:03:53.53
JESUS CHRIST AND BE THE CHURCH,
THE COMMUNITY, AND THE FAMILY
01:03:53.53\01:03:56.53
THAT GOD INTENDED OUTS TO
BE. TO PUT OUR ARMS AROUND EACH
01:03:56.53\01:04:01.07
OTHER, TO BE LEVEL AT THE
FOOT OF THE CROSS TOGETHER.
01:04:01.07\01:04:03.57
THERE'S HOPE IN
THE VICTORY OF JESUS.
01:04:03.57\01:04:05.54
>> AMEN. >> AMEN.
01:04:05.54\01:04:06.88
>> THIS CALLER SAYS
THANK YOU FOR THE PROGRAM.
01:04:06.88\01:04:09.04
I CAN RELATE TO THE SAME
CHILDHOOD EXPERIENCES AS YOU ALL
01:04:09.04\01:04:13.72
HAVE HAD, AND COMING BACK TO THE
SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH,
01:04:13.72\01:04:18.02
PRAISE GOD FOR -- IT
SAYS -- GIVING ME THE STRENGTH
01:04:18.02\01:04:21.62
AND PROTECTION AND
KNOWING OTHERS ARE JUST LIKE ME.
01:04:21.62\01:04:23.96
WHAT A BLESSING. >> AMEN.
01:04:23.96\01:04:26.26
>> THAT'S WHY WE DO IT. >>
HOW DO WE AS PARENTS HELP OUR
01:04:26.26\01:04:31.37
HOMOSEXUAL SON? HOW DO
WE INTERACT, DISCUSS WITH
01:04:31.37\01:04:34.80
HIM, HOW MANY PRACTICAL WAYS
DO WE HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP SO
01:04:34.80\01:04:38.17
THAT WE'RE NOT CONDEMNING
THEM OR PUSHING THEM AWAY?
01:04:38.17\01:04:41.04
>> I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SHARE A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE
01:04:41.04\01:04:44.11
THAT I HAD WITH MY MOM.
UNFORTUNATELY I WASN'T LIVING
01:04:44.11\01:04:47.15
CLOSE TO HER. WE
WERE STATES APART.
01:04:47.15\01:04:51.29
BUT MY MOM REALLY TOOK IT
UPON HERSELF TO BECOME MY PRAYER
01:04:51.29\01:04:57.43
WARRIOR AS SHE SAW I WAS
LIVING AWAY FROM THE LORD.
01:04:57.43\01:05:00.33
SOMEONE ASKED HER LATER, IT MUST
HAVE BEEN REALLY HARD FOR YOU.
01:05:00.33\01:05:04.53
AND SHE SAID YES, IT
WAS, BUT I JUST KEPT PRAYING.
01:05:04.53\01:05:08.07
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT
IS WOVEN THROUGH ALL OF OUR
01:05:08.07\01:05:17.08
TEST TESTIMONIES.
01:05:17.08\01:05:18.25
SOMEBODY IN OUR LIFE WAS
CONSISTENTLY AND INTENTIONALLY
01:05:18.25\01:05:23.62
PRAYING FOR US. MY
MOM SAID SHE PRAYED LORD
01:05:23.62\01:05:30.46
CONVICT HER OF HER SINS AND HELP
HER TO SEE HER NEED OF YOU, AND
01:05:30.46\01:05:35.26
I BELIEVE IT WAS THOSE KIND OF
INTENTIONAL CONSISTENT PRAYERS
01:05:35.26\01:05:40.50
THAT REALLY DID OPEN UP THE DOOR
FOR GOD TO STEP AND SEND THOSE
01:05:40.50\01:05:44.74
ANGELS WHEN I NEEDED IT MOST,
TO SOFTEN ME AND THE EXPERIENCES
01:05:44.74\01:05:48.28
THAT I WAS HAVING, AND THAT'S
THE NUMBER 1 THING THAT I THINK
01:05:48.28\01:05:53.88
ANY OF US WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE
PARENTS TO DO IS TO BECOME
01:05:53.88\01:05:57.62
PRAYER WARRIORS, AND TO PRAY
THOSE SPECIFIC KIND OF PRAYERS
01:05:57.62\01:06:01.32
THAT OPEN UP THE DOOR FOR GOD
TO STEP IN, WHEN HIS SPIRIT IS
01:06:01.32\01:06:04.96
NEEDED THE MOST IN THE STRUGGLE
OF YOUR CHILD'S LIFE.-AND TO
MAKE YOURSELF AVAILABLE
01:06:04.96\01:06:10.27
AS SOMEONE THAT
THEY CAN TALK TO.
01:06:10.27\01:06:12.50
IN THAT -- THOSE OPEN CHANNELS
OF COMMUNICATION ARE THE MOST
01:06:12.50\01:06:16.97
TANK THINGS YOU CAN
PROVIDE FOR YOUR CHILD.
01:06:16.97\01:06:19.31
>> AMEN. THIS
PERSON SAYS THERE WAS A
01:06:19.31\01:06:23.45
MEMBER OF OUR
CHURCH THAT WAS GAY.
01:06:23.45\01:06:26.55
SHE DECIDED HE IS WANTED TO
BECOME A MAN, AND UNFORTUNATELY
01:06:26.55\01:06:29.82
SHE PASS AWAY
DURING THE SURGERY.
01:06:29.82\01:06:32.65
AND AFTERWARDS THE CHURCH
REFUSED TO CONDUCT HER FUNERAL
01:06:32.65\01:06:35.96
EVEN THOUGH THE MOTHER
WAS A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH.
01:06:35.96\01:06:38.86
HOW DO YOU THINK THE
CHURCH SHOULD HAVE RESPONDED?
01:06:38.86\01:06:43.06
>> THE CHURCH SHOULD
HAVE ABSOLUTELY PEFORMED THE
01:06:43.06\01:06:46.74
FUNERAL. THE
FUNERAL IS FOR THE FAMILY.
01:06:46.74\01:06:48.90
THEY PROBABLY HAD SO MUCH
GRIEF THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS
01:06:48.90\01:06:52.47
ANYWAY. THE CHURCH SHOULD HAVE
SHOWN -UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, YOU
01:06:52.47\01:06:55.84
KNOW, FOR THAT FAMILY AND
THAT PERSON WHO PASSED AWAY.
01:06:55.84\01:06:58.21
>> YEAH. >> THERE
WAS A MAN THAT CAME UP
01:06:58.21\01:07:01.18
TO US, AND HE WAS AFRAID BY
SPEAKING TO HIS DAUGHTER WHO WAS
01:07:01.18\01:07:05.25
MARRIED TO A WOMAN AND HAD THREE
CHILDREN, THAT BY SPEAK TO-- TO
01:07:05.25\01:07:15.83
HER, HE WAS DOING
A DISSERVICE TO GOD.
01:07:15.83\01:07:19.53
AND WE SAID NO, THERE IS NOTHING
IN THE BIBLE TO SAY NOT TO SHOW
01:07:19.53\01:07:25.91
YOUR LOVE TO YOUR DAUGHTER AND
EVEN BE A GRANDFATHER TO THOSE
01:07:25.91\01:07:29.94
THREE KIDS. AND WE
REALLY TRIED TO ENCOURAGE
01:07:29.94\01:07:34.45
HIM. AND TO THINK
THAT YOU COULD DENY
01:07:34.45\01:07:37.99
SOMEONE OF A
FUNERAL IS HORRIFIC.
01:07:37.99\01:07:40.39
>> AS A PASTOR I HAVE HAD TO DO
FUNERALS FOR PEOPLE LIKE THIS,
01:07:40.39\01:07:44.56
NOT SOMEONE WHO IS GAY OR
TRANSGENDER, BUT SOMEONE WHO
01:07:44.56\01:07:48.06
DIED IN A HORRIFIC CAR
CRASH -- I'M THINKING OF ONE
01:07:48.06\01:07:51.47
PERSON -- THAT WAS LIVING A
-- A TERRIBLY REPROBAIT LIFE.
01:07:51.47\01:08:05.35
BUT WE DON'T KNOW THE LAST
THOUGHTS, AND THAT PERSON NEEDS
01:08:05.35\01:08:08.75
TO BE LAID TO REST
THROUGH -- YOU KNOW, THROUGH A
01:08:08.75\01:08:12.49
LOVING AND CARING CHURCH, AND TO
BRING PEACE AND COMFORT TO THAT
01:08:12.49\01:08:17.43
FAMILY. >> AND ON
THE OUTWARD APPEARANCE
01:08:17.43\01:08:18.99
THAT GOD LOOKS ON THE
HEART. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
01:08:18.99\01:08:21.86
>> CAN I GO BACK TO WHAT
DANIELLE WAS SAYING, IF MY
01:08:21.86\01:08:26.07
SISTERS WEREN'T PRAYING FOR
ME, AND WAYNE'S PARENTS WEREN'T
01:08:26.07\01:08:29.90
PRAYING FOR HIM, OR RON OR
DANIELLE'S SISTERS AND PARENTS
01:08:29.90\01:08:35.81
WERE PRAYING FOR
THEM, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE.
01:08:35.81\01:08:38.55
SO IF I CONVINCE YOU THAT
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH
01:08:38.55\01:08:42.12
HOMOSEXUALITY, THAT IT'S GOD'S
ALTERNATIVE, THEN YOU'LL STOP
01:08:42.12\01:08:46.92
PRAYING FOR ME, AND I BELIEVE
THAT THAT'S JUST AS MUCH A
01:08:46.92\01:08:51.63
MOVEMENT OF THE ENEMY TO
CONVINCE US THAT NOTHING IS
01:08:51.63\01:08:55.63
WRONG WITH US, AND
THEREFORE, THE PRAYERS STOP.
01:08:55.63\01:08:59.63
WE HAVE A POWERFUL PRAYER
LINE THAT WE DO ON THURSDAY AND
01:08:59.63\01:09:03.24
FRIDAY MORNINGS.
THURSDAY ON THE WEST COAST,
01:09:03.24\01:09:05.91
FRIDAYS ON THE EAST COAST.
WE HAVE PARENTS OF CHILDREN AND
01:09:05.91\01:09:09.24
WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE THAT
ARE COMING OUT OF HOMOSEXUALITY.
01:09:09.24\01:09:12.11
WE HAVE A BROTHER WHO IS BRAY
PRAYING FOR HIS WIFE WHO LEFT
01:09:12.11\01:09:17.19
HIM FOR ANOTHER WOMAN.
AND EACH AND EVERY WEEK THEY
01:09:17.19\01:09:20.26
HAVE CREATED A COMMUNITY,
BECAUSE FOR A PARENT TO COME
01:09:20.26\01:09:24.29
FESS THAT THEY HAVE A CHILD THAT
IS GAY IS SO SHAMEFUL EVEN IN
01:09:24.29\01:09:30.10
THE CHURCH, THAT MANY CAN'T COME
FORWARD WITH THAT KIND OF NEWS,
01:09:30.10\01:09:34.24
BUT THESE PEOPLE HAVE CREATED
THIS POWERFUL COMMUNITY AND
01:09:34.24\01:09:39.44
LIFTING EACH OTHER
UP DURING THAT PROCESS.
01:09:39.44\01:09:42.01
>> IF THEY WANT TO
BE ON THAT PRAYER --
01:09:42.01\01:09:45.88
>> JUST GO TO THE WEBSITE.
AND THE NUMBER IS RIGHT THERE.
01:09:45.88\01:09:49.88
>> OKAY. ANOTHER QUESTION.
01:09:49.88\01:09:50.99
>> SHOULD YOU AT  -- ATTEND
A HOMOSEXUAL WEDDING IN YOUR
01:09:50.99\01:10:01.93
FAMILY? >> WE
ACCEPT THAT THERE ARE TWIN
01:10:01.93\01:10:05.37
INSTITUTIONS RIGHT OUT OF
THE GARDEN OF EDEN, MARRIAGE AND
01:10:05.37\01:10:09.80
SABBATH. AS
CHRISTIANS WE SHOULD ACCEPT
01:10:09.80\01:10:12.07
THAT MARRIAGE SHOULD BE A SACRED
INSTITUTION, AND FOR US TO AT
01:10:12.07\01:10:16.08
TEN A GAY WEDDING, COULD
GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT WE'RE
01:10:16.08\01:10:22.75
CONDONING THIS -- THIS
UNION, WHICH GOD CALLS SIN OR
01:10:22.75\01:10:28.39
ABOMINATION, AND WE DON'T WANT
TO BE DOGMATIC ABOUT IT, BECAUSE
01:10:28.39\01:10:31.66
WE KNOW IT'S A
VERY SENSITIVE ISSUE.
01:10:31.66\01:10:34.36
THERE ARE PARENTS THAT HAVE GONE
AND COME BACK WITH GREAT REMORSE
01:10:34.36\01:10:37.63
FOR DOING SO, FEELING LIKE THEY
BETRAYED THE LORD, BUT -- BUT
01:10:37.63\01:10:44.01
THERE ARE SO MANY WAYS THAT YOU
CAN SHOW LOVE AND COMPASSION FOR
01:10:44.01\01:10:49.41
YOUR LOVED ONE WITHOUT
PARTICIPATING IN THE -- THE
01:10:49.41\01:10:54.52
COUNTERFEIT OF A SACED
INSTITUTION, AND WE JUST
01:10:54.52\01:10:58.42
STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT AS
CHRISTIANS WE NOT DO ANYTHING
01:10:58.42\01:11:02.89
THAT WOULD GIVE THE IMPRESSION
THAT WE CONDONE AND ARE BLESSING
01:11:02.89\01:11:08.30
THROUGH THIS
COUNTERFEIT OF A SACRED UNION.
01:11:08.30\01:11:10.80
>> OKAY. GOOD.
01:11:10.80\01:11:12.03
>> TALK TO THEM
ABOUT THE ONE COUPLE --
01:11:12.03\01:11:14.37
>> WELL, I THINK
WE'RE REALLY SHORT OF TIME.
01:11:14.37\01:11:18.31
>> NO, GO AHEAD
-- YOU CAN TELL IT.
01:11:18.31\01:11:20.91
>> WE HAD A COUPLE IN ARKANSAS
THAT HAD THIS SITUATION.
01:11:20.91\01:11:26.61
THEY HAD TWIN SONS, ONE OF
WHOM WAS GETTING MARRIED, A GAY
01:11:26.61\01:11:30.95
WEDDING OUT IN CALIFORNIA.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS VERY THING,
01:11:30.95\01:11:35.49
AND THE PARENTED DECIDED
THEY WOULD FLY OUT A WEEK EARLY.
01:11:35.49\01:11:39.06
AND THEY SPENT A LOT OF QUALITY
TIME WITH HIS SON AND HIS
01:11:39.06\01:11:45.83
PARTNER, IN A SECULAR
SETTING, NOT A SACRED SETTING.
01:11:45.83\01:11:51.11
THEY DID NOT GO TO THE WEDDING
OR RECEPTION, BUT THEY SPENT
01:11:51.11\01:11:56.68
TIME WITH THEIR SON, AND CAME
HOME WITH GREAT PEACE THAT THEY
01:11:56.68\01:12:01.68
HAD NOT BETRAYED THEIR LORD,
THEY HAD NOT GIVEN THE WRONG
01:12:01.68\01:12:07.66
IMPRESSION, THEY COULD NOT
BE ACCUSED BY THEIR SON OF NOT
01:12:07.66\01:12:11.53
LOVING HIM ENOUGH, OR
OF BEING TOO CHEAP TO COME.
01:12:11.53\01:12:15.66
YOU CAN SPEND TIME WITH YOUR
LOVED ONE, WITHOUT COMPROMISING
01:12:15.66\01:12:19.47
AND GIVING THE IMPRESSION YOU
ARE PARTICIPATING OR CONDONING
01:12:19.47\01:12:23.27
THE SIN. >> AND
SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE
01:12:23.27\01:12:25.51
SURE WE CLARIFY, WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT HOMOSEXUAL PEOPLE CAN BE
01:12:25.51\01:12:30.51
SAVED WHEN THEY SUBMIT
THEMSELVES TO GOD NOT WHILE THEY
01:12:30.51\01:12:33.55
ARE STILL PRACTICING, SO FOR
THOSE MAYBE THAT DIDN'T GET THAT
01:12:33.55\01:12:36.82
CLEAR, WE TRIED TO MAKE THAT --
>> AND I WAS ADDRESSING THAT --
01:12:36.82\01:12:41.22
>> YEAH, AND YOU
DID THAT A WHILE AGO.
01:12:41.22\01:12:43.43
>> YEAH. >> SO WHAT
THEY ARE SAYING THAT
01:12:43.43\01:12:46.70
AS IN ANY SIN, WE HAVE TO
ASK GOD TO COME IN OUR LIVES AND
01:12:46.70\01:12:54.04
TAKE THAT FROM US. >>
CORINTHIANS 5:17, AGAIN, SAYS
01:12:54.04\01:13:02.31
WHEN WE SUBMIT OURSELVES TO
JESUS CHRIST, WE BECOME A NEW
01:13:02.31\01:13:08.82
CREATION. >> THIS
SAYS I WANT TO THANK YOU
01:13:08.82\01:13:11.15
SO MUCH FOR THIS PROGRAM.
THIS IS A SUBJECT THAT OUR
01:13:11.15\01:13:14.19
CHURCH HAS BEEN SILENT ON, AND I
APPRECIATE YOU FOR PUTTING THIS
01:13:14.19\01:13:19.46
PROGRAM OUT THERE. >>
WE ARE TOO, THANK YOU DANY
01:13:19.46\01:13:22.73
AND YVONNE. >> WHAT
HAPPENS WHEN THE CHURCH
01:13:22.73\01:13:29.87
PERMITS YOU TO COME BUT YOU HAVE
TO BE DRESSED LIKE A MAN, EVEN
01:13:29.87\01:13:33.58
THOUGH YOU FEEL LIKE A WOMAN.
>> I KNOW THAT EVERY TIME I
01:13:33.58\01:13:37.11
DRESSED IN MY MOM'S CLOTHES
OR MY SISTERS' CLOTHES IT WAS A
01:13:37.11\01:13:43.99
REENFORCEMENT THAT I WAS
DISSATISFIED WITH BEING A MALE.
01:13:43.99\01:13:46.65
AND WHAT THEY DID WAS -- THERE
WAS A REASON WHY I STARTED FOR
01:13:46.65\01:13:50.83
ME, AND THAT WAS OF COURSE
THE REJECTION OF MY FATHER AS MY
01:13:50.83\01:13:54.13
ROLE MODEL, BUT ALL OF
THAT HAPPENED BEFORE I WAS EVEN
01:13:54.13\01:13:58.40
CONSCIENCE. AND I
DIDN'T KNOW HOW IT BEGAN
01:13:58.40\01:14:01.40
OR HOW TO FIX IT. SO I
BELIEVE THAT GOD THROUGH
01:14:01.40\01:14:05.37
HIS WORD CONDEMNS THE PRACTICE
OF IT, BECAUSE IT PULLS YOU
01:14:05.37\01:14:08.84
FURTHER AWAY FROM THE IDENTITY
THAT GOD HAD ORIGINALLY GIVEN
01:14:08.84\01:14:14.02
YOU. WHEN I CAME
TO 20 YEARS OLD, I
01:14:14.02\01:14:16.75
WALKED OUT OF CHURCH CULTURE
AND WALKED RIGHT INTO THE GAY
01:14:16.75\01:14:20.46
COMMUNITY, AND IT WAS ONLY THEN
THAT I WAS ACTUALLY AFFIRMED IN
01:14:20.46\01:14:25.13
MY MASCULINITY, BECAUSE I
REALIZED THEY CRAVED TO BE
01:14:25.13\01:14:30.27
AFFIRMED AS A MAN. I
CRAVED TO BE LOVED BY A MAN,
01:14:30.27\01:14:35.10
AND SO I COULDN'T GET LOVE IN
THE RIGHT WAY, DOESN'T IT MAKE
01:14:35.10\01:14:40.51
SENSE THAT I MIGHT
GET IT IN THE WRONG WAY.
01:14:40.51\01:14:42.81
SO FOR THE FIRST TIME AT 20,
I THOUGHT, WOW, I DON'T HAVE TO
01:14:42.81\01:14:52.79
HAVE A SEX CHANGE
TO BE LOVED BY A MAN.
01:14:52.79\01:14:57.63
AND IF SOMEONE WOULD HAVE
OFFERED ME A SEX CHANGE, I WOULD
01:14:57.63\01:15:01.60
HAVE BEEN THE FIRST IN LINE.
AND 40% OF TRANSGENDERS ATTEMPT
01:15:01.60\01:15:06.80
SUICIDE, 31%
ACTUALLY COMMIT SUICIDE.
01:15:06.80\01:15:10.84
THE HIGHEST SUICIDE RATES OF ANY
GROUP OF PEOPLE EVER.-BUT YOU
DON'T HEAR THAT IN THE
01:15:10.84\01:15:16.08
NEWS, BECAUSE THE
MEDIA HAS AN AGENDA TO PUSH.
01:15:16.08\01:15:18.58
>> WE HAVE LESS THAN 12 MINUTES,
SO WE'LL TRY TO GET THROUGH SOME
01:15:18.58\01:15:22.68
OF THESE FAIRLY QUICKLY, BUT SO
MANY ARE JUST SAYING THANK YOU
01:15:22.68\01:15:26.22
SO MUCH FOR BEING ON TONIGHT,
AND FOR 3ABN HAVING YOU ON.
01:15:26.22\01:15:30.69
SO IT'S A MUTUAL THING. WE
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND
01:15:30.69\01:15:35.46
SHARING. AND YOU
HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT.
01:15:35.46\01:15:37.93
AND I HOPE THAT
SUPPORT ALSO IS FINANCIALLY.
01:15:37.93\01:15:42.47
GO TO COMINGOUTMINISTRIES.ORG,
AND THERE YOU CAN FIND OUT
01:15:42.47\01:15:45.51
HOW -- WHAT ADDRESS -- HOWEVER
YOU NEED TO -- THAT YOU CAN
01:15:45.51\01:15:50.35
SUPPORT FINANCIALLY, IF FOR
ANY REASON YOU AREN'T ABLE TO DO
01:15:50.35\01:15:55.02
THAT, YOU CAN CONACT US TO
3ABN, OR IF YOU SEND A CHECK TO
01:15:55.02\01:16:00.69
THE COMING OUT MINISTRIES HERE,
WE'LL MAKE SURE IT GETS TO THEM.
01:16:00.69\01:16:04.03
WE PREFER YOU DO IT, BUT IF YOU
CAN'T, YOU CAN ALWAYS CALL US,
01:16:04.03\01:16:08.46
WE'LL GIVE YOU THE ADDRESS.
BUT AS THE HOLY SPIRIT IMPRESSES
01:16:08.46\01:16:11.57
YOU HAVE, WE WANT YOU TO SUPPORT
THIS MINISTRY, SO WE CAN GET
01:16:11.57\01:16:16.04
THIS FILM YOU SAW -- AND
WE'RE GOING TO ENCOURAGE YOU,
01:16:16.04\01:16:20.14
COLLEGES, UNIVERSITIES --YOU
WILL GET RESISTANCE, DON'T BE
01:16:20.14\01:16:25.08
SURPRISED THAT THEY SAY
WE DON'T WANT THIS, IT'S TOO
01:16:25.08\01:16:29.48
CONTROVERSIAL. BUT
THAT'S THE REASON YOU NEED
01:16:29.48\01:16:31.65
THEM THERE. IS
BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW THE
01:16:31.65\01:16:34.66
TRUTH. THE TRUTH
IS WHAT SETS US FREE
01:16:34.66\01:16:37.59
AND FOR A CHURCH AND PEOPLE
WHO HAVE PROCLAIMED BABYLON HAS
01:16:37.59\01:16:42.66
FALLEN, COME OUT OF HER MY
PEOPLE, THAT WE OURSELVES ARE
01:16:42.66\01:16:47.20
NOT IN CONFUSION. SO
LET'S DO A FEW MORE QUESTIONS
01:16:47.20\01:16:51.27
AT LEAST. >> CAN I
QUICKLY SAY, AS MUCH AS
01:16:51.27\01:16:54.58
WE APPRECIATE YOUR FINANCIAL
SUPPORT, AND IT IS GREATLY
01:16:54.58\01:16:58.05
NEEDED -- AND -- AND SO VERY
APPRECIATED, WE REALLY WANT YOU
01:16:58.05\01:17:04.59
TO ADD US TO YOUR PRAYER LISTS,
BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALREADY SEEN
01:17:04.59\01:17:08.49
HOW PRAYER CHANGES THINGS.
WE NEED YOUR PRAYER TODAY.
01:17:08.49\01:17:11.66
>> WHAT I FOUND OUT OVER
THE YEARS, IF PEOPLE PRAY FOR
01:17:11.66\01:17:15.66
YOU -- OR THEY SUPPORT YOU, THEY
WILL REMEMBER TO PRAY FOR YOU
01:17:15.66\01:17:19.33
TOO. THEY WANT YOU TO DO WELL.
01:17:19.33\01:17:21.27
[ LAUGHTER ] >> HOW
DO YOU LEAD A HOMOSEXUAL
01:17:21.27\01:17:23.94
AND TRANSGENDER -- BECAUSE
BOTH OF THESE QUESTIONS WERE
01:17:23.94\01:17:27.78
ASKED -- TO THE LORD
WITHOUT OFFENDING THEM.
01:17:27.78\01:17:34.22
>> JESUS SAYS SEEK
YE FIRST RIGHTEOUSNESS.
01:17:34.22\01:17:39.65
THE GAY OR TRANSAGAIN GENDER
ISSUE MAY NOT BE EVEN IN THE TOP
01:17:39.65\01:17:44.59
TEN ISSUES THAT A
PERSON NEEDS TO DEAL WITH.
01:17:44.59\01:17:48.73
I THINK THROUGH OUR STUDY, WE
FELL IN LOVE WITH JESUS, AND WE
01:17:48.73\01:17:52.77
DEVELOPED A RELATIONSHIP WITH
HIM THAT LEAD US TO BEHOLD HIM,
01:17:52.77\01:17:57.87
AND BY BEHOLDING
HIM, WE BECOME CHANGED.
01:17:57.87\01:18:01.88
AND I WAS CONVICTED AND -- AND
REALLY ENAMORED WITH THE WHOLE
01:18:01.88\01:18:07.58
CONCEPT OF THE SAVING POWER OF
JESUS, PROBABLY A YEAR, YEAR AND
01:18:07.58\01:18:11.15
A HALF BEFORE I EVER HAD
THE COURAGE TO TAKE THE STE OUT,
01:18:11.15\01:18:14.79
AND THAT'S REALLY
WHERE WE NEED TO FOCUS.
01:18:14.79\01:18:17.79
DON'T ADDRESS SOMEONE RIGHT OFF
OF THE SPOT -- RIGHT UP FRONT
01:18:17.79\01:18:21.90
WITH A GAY
ISSUE. THEY NEED JESUS.
01:18:21.90\01:18:24.33
THEY NEED TO BE INTRODUCED TO
THE LOVE OF JESUS, AND THE HOLY
01:18:24.33\01:18:28.34
SPIRIT WILL DO THINGS WITH THAT
PERSON'S HEART THAT WE CAN NEVER
01:18:28.34\01:18:32.54
DO. >> PASTOR RON, THAT'S SUCH A
01:18:32.54\01:18:35.34
GOOD POINT. WHEN
PEOPLE COME TO AN
01:18:35.34\01:18:38.18
EVANGELISTIC CRUSADE, YOU DONE
WANT TO HIT THEM WITH THE 123
01:18:38.18\01:18:42.65
-DAYS FIRST. YOU WANT
TO INTRODUCE THEM TO JESUS.
01:18:42.65\01:18:45.39
SO EVERYTHING ELSE MAKES
SENSE AFTER THEY MET JESUS.
01:18:45.39\01:18:47.46
>> RIGHT. >>
QUESTION, I'M TRYING TO
01:18:47.46\01:18:50.26
UNDERSTAND THE
CAUSE OF HOMOSEXUALITY.
01:18:50.26\01:18:52.33
COULD I GET SOME PERSPECTIVES
ON-THIS QUESTION FROM YOUR
PANEL? >> THERE'S NOT A SINGULAR
01:18:52.33\01:18:59.73
CAUSE. WE KNOW JOHN'S HOPKINS
HAS JUST FINISHED ANOTHER HUGE
01:18:59.73\01:19:05.71
STUDY SAYING THERE IS NO
GENEALOGY FOR HOMOSEXUALITY.
01:19:05.71\01:19:09.18
WHAT HAPPENS IN SOCIETY AND WHAT
HAPPENS IN CHURCH ENVIRONMENTS
01:19:09.18\01:19:13.05
TODAY IS WE GET THIS CRAVING,
ALMOST TO TRY TO -- WELL, WHAT
01:19:13.05\01:19:17.35
CAUSED THIS AND --
AND THE THING IS, IS THAT
01:19:17.35\01:19:20.06
BY DOING SO, AND NOT ARRIVING AT
A CONCLUSION, WE LOSE THE FOCUS.
01:19:20.06\01:19:25.29
SO THE FOCUS
SHOULD BE ON THE SOLUTION.
01:19:25.29\01:19:28.43
THE FOCUS SHOULD
BE ON JESUS CHRIST.
01:19:28.43\01:19:31.43
WHAT IS POSSIBLE THROUGH JESUS
CHRIST, THROUGH ANY KIND OF SIN,
01:19:31.43\01:19:37.11
ANY KIND OF ADDICTION OR
HABIT THAT YOU MAY BE INVOLVED?
01:19:37.11\01:19:42.38
NOT SO MUCH WHAT THE CAUSE
IS, BUT LET'S SEE HOW IT CAN BE
01:19:42.38\01:19:47.25
REDEEMED. >> ALSO,
IT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME
01:19:47.25\01:19:49.52
TO KNOW -- YOU KNOW, SOME
OR WHERE THAT ALL BEGAN, SO I
01:19:49.52\01:19:53.96
TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT WAYNE
WAS SAYING, BUT, AGAIN, IF YOU
01:19:53.96\01:19:57.26
ARE LOOKING FOR -- I THINK A
LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR A
01:19:57.26\01:20:01.56
PROTOCOL FOR HOW TO REDEEM A
HOMOSEXUAL OR TRANSGENDER, OR
01:20:01.56\01:20:08.74
BISEXUAL, OR EVEN DRUG ADDICT,
THE BIBLE SAYS I WILL LIFT ALL
01:20:08.74\01:20:14.58
-MEN UP TO ME. SO IF THEY ARE
NOT A CHRISTIAN, THEN THE ISSUE
01:20:14.58\01:20:19.35
ISN'T ABOUT THEIR SEXUALITY.
THE ISSUE IS ABOUT THEM KNOWING
01:20:19.35\01:20:21.32
JESUS CHRIST. >> ABSOLUTELY.
01:20:21.32\01:20:23.25
>> UH-HUH. >> DOES
SAME-SEX MARRIAGE GO
01:20:23.25\01:20:26.96
AGAINST THE COMMANDMENT
THOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY?
01:20:26.96\01:20:32.26
>> YES, ABSOLUTELY.
BECAUSE MARRIAGE WA GIVEN TO US
01:20:32.26\01:20:36.06
IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN, AND
GOD LAID IT OUT, AND WHEN HE SAW
01:20:36.06\01:20:40.44
WHAT HE HAD DONE, HE
SAID THIS IS VERY GOOD.
01:20:40.44\01:20:42.90
GOD WAS EXCITED
ABOUT WHAT HE CREATED.
01:20:42.90\01:20:46.27
THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BEEN
MARRIED, WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS A
01:20:46.27\01:20:50.75
WONDERFUL THING, AND SO --
AS YOU GO THROUGH THE BIBLE, AND
01:20:50.75\01:20:55.25
ESPECIALLY -- IN LEVITICUS
18 AND 20, IT'S SO CLEAR HOW GOD
01:20:55.25\01:21:00.32
FEELS ABOUT THIS COUNTERFEIT,
AND SATAN IS A MASTER OF
01:21:00.32\01:21:06.26
COUNTERFEITING EVERYTHING THAT
GOD HAS CREATED, AND IT'S VERY
01:21:06.26\01:21:10.00
CLEARLY LAID OUT THROUGHOUT
THE BIBLE IN MANY PLACES ASA SIN
01:21:10.00\01:21:15.97
ISSUE, AND IF IT'S A SIN ISSUE,
THAT MEANS IT IS VIOLATING ONE
01:21:15.97\01:21:19.61
OF THE COMMANDMENTS.
FIRST OF ALL YOU ARE COVETING
01:21:19.61\01:21:23.75
SOMETHING THAT WAS CREATED
FOR SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT ALSO A
01:21:23.75\01:21:29.38
VIOLATION OF THE
SEVENTH COMMANDMENT.
01:21:29.38\01:21:31.89
>> UH-HUH. >> WE
HAVE SEVERAL COME
01:21:31.89\01:21:36.79
-- COMMENTS ABOUT JUST THANKING
YOU, AND THANKING 3ABN FOR DOING
01:21:36.79\01:21:43.43
THIS. WILL GOD
JUDGE THOSE WHO CONFESS
01:21:43.43\01:21:46.00
THEY ARE GAY BUT NOT PRACTICING?
I WANT TO KNOW IF IT IS STILL TO
01:21:46.00\01:21:52.01
BE SIN TO BE GAY OR BI WITHOUT
ACTING ON IT IN A WORLD THAT IT
01:21:52.01\01:22:05.69
IS NOT SO CUT AND DRIED ANYMORE.
SO WILL GOD JUDGE THOSE WHO
01:22:05.69\01:22:11.06
CONFESS THEY ARE
GAY BUT NOT PRACTICING.
01:22:11.06\01:22:14.56
IS IT STILL A SIN TO
BE GAY BUT NOT ACT ON IT.
01:22:14.56\01:22:18.67
>> WE'RE NOT
JUDGED BY TEMPTATIONS.
01:22:18.67\01:22:22.67
JESUS WAS TEMPTED. >>
THE BIBLE DOES NOT CONDEMN
01:22:22.67\01:22:28.71
THE PERSON THAT HAS SAME-SEX
ATTRACTIONS, BECAUSE GOD
01:22:28.71\01:22:33.42
UNDERSTANDS WHY. AND
THAT WAS A HUGE RELIEF FOR
01:22:33.42\01:22:37.09
ALL OF US, GOD WAS
CONDEMNING THE BEHAVIOR.
01:22:37.09\01:22:41.89
IF YOU ARE NOT ACTING ON
THOSE ATTRACTIONS, YOU ARE NOT
01:22:41.89\01:22:47.20
COMMITTING THAT SIN, AND
THE HEALING PROCESS ISN'T LIKE A
01:22:47.20\01:22:51.43
MAGIC WAND OVER THE HEAD,
IT'S A PROCESS, NOT AN EVENT.
01:22:51.43\01:22:56.40
AND WE ARE ALL
ON THAT JOURNEY TOO.
01:22:56.40\01:22:58.27
>> I RECEIVED A LETTER
FROM A YOUNG MAN WHO SAID I WAS
01:22:58.27\01:23:04.55
WATCHING YOUR PROGRAM -- HE
DIDN'T INTEND TO, AND HE SAID I
01:23:04.55\01:23:08.18
WAS SHOOTS UP DRUGS
AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING.
01:23:08.18\01:23:12.25
AND I HAD ALREADY PUT HEROIN IN
MY VEINS, BUT MY PASTOR MADE A
01:23:12.25\01:23:17.79
CALL, AND SAID JESUS LOVES FOR
YOU, HE DIED FOR YOU, HE MADE A
01:23:17.79\01:23:21.33
PLAN OF SALVATION FO YOU.
I WAS SO LONELY, I KNEW I WAS
01:23:21.33\01:23:25.27
GOING TO END UP
DIEING; THAT I ACCEPTED JESUS.
01:23:25.27\01:23:28.80
AND HE SAID, FOR EIGHT
MONTHS, I'LL BE HONEST WITH
01:23:28.80\01:23:32.04
YOU -- I -- I STILL WANTED
DRUGS, I STILL, YOU KNOW, WAS
01:23:32.04\01:23:36.88
THERE, BUT GOD GAVE MY VICTORY
OVER IT, AND SO FOR EIGHT
01:23:36.88\01:23:41.08
MONTHS -- BUT HE SAID AFTER
EIGHT MONTHS -- IT HAS NOW BEEN
01:23:41.08\01:23:45.35
TWO YEARS -- I HAVE NO
DESIRE FOR THOSE DRUGS ANYMORE.
01:23:45.35\01:23:49.52
BUT IT WASN'T A SAME-DAY
HEALING WHEN IT HAPPENED.
01:23:49.52\01:23:52.69
AND HE SAID I SUPPOSE SOME
PEOPLE -- ALL OF THEIR LIFE.
01:23:52.69\01:23:57.00
WE KNOW PEOPLE WHO ARE
ALCOHOLICS WHO SAY I GO TO
01:23:57.00\01:24:01.47
WHATEVER GROUP, ALCOHOLICS
ANONYMOUS OR A CHURCH OR
01:24:01.47\01:24:04.71
WHATEVER, BECAUSE WE STILL
DESIRE IT, BUT WE DON'T DO IT.
01:24:04.71\01:24:07.71
AND GOD HONORS THAT. GOD
HONORS THE FACT THAT, LOOK,
01:24:07.71\01:24:11.88
THIS IS A TEMPTATION, BUT LORD
THROUGH YOU, I DON'T HAVE TO DO
01:24:11.88\01:24:15.22
IT, YOU HAVE GIVEN
ME VICTORY OVER IT.
01:24:15.22\01:24:17.79
GO AHEAD. >> IN
FEBRUARY 7TH, OF 1992, I
01:24:17.79\01:24:21.82
WAS BAPTIZED. SATAN WASN'T.
01:24:21.82\01:24:24.96
[ LAUGHTER ] >> I
CHOSE A NEW DIRECTION FOR
01:24:24.96\01:24:27.60
MY LIFE. SATAN HAD
A CUSTOMIZED PLAN FOR
01:24:27.60\01:24:33.90
MY LIFE FROM BEFORE I WAS BORN,
BUT GOD ALSO HAD A CUSTOMIZED
01:24:33.90\01:24:39.47
PLAN. I HAVE CHOSEN GOD'S PLAN.
01:24:39.47\01:24:45.31
SATAN IS STILL THE
STINKER THAT HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN.
01:24:45.31\01:24:50.22
>> WE HAVE TWO
MINUTES. COMMENTS.
01:24:50.22\01:24:53.92
>> IDENTITY IS CRUCIAL.
IDENTITY IS NOT IN TEMPTATION.
01:24:53.92\01:25:00.16
IT'S IN REDEMPTION. >> DANIELLE?
01:25:00.16\01:25:01.96
>> I WANT TO SPEAK TO MAYBE IF
THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT
01:25:01.96\01:25:06.74
IS STRUGGLING WITH SAME-SEX
ATTRACTION THEMSELVES, I HOPE
01:25:06.74\01:25:15.08
THE FILM HAS CULTIVATED SOME
HOPE AND FAITH IN YOUR LIFE.
01:25:15.08\01:25:18.91
>> AND WHERE DO WE
WRITE -- OR HOW DO WE GET IT?
01:25:18.91\01:25:24.52
GO TO YOUR WEBSITE?
>> WE HAVE A WEBSITE
01:25:24.52\01:25:28.89
SPECIFICALLY FOR THE
FILM "JOURNEY INTERRUPTED."
01:25:28.89\01:25:31.93
>> SO WE'LL
SHOWED THAT HERE TONIGHT.
01:25:31.93\01:25:33.60
SO GIVE IT TO YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR
ENEMIES, AND EVERYBODY THAT WILL
01:25:33.60\01:25:38.13
WATCH IT. AND WE
WANT YOU TO HELP THESE
01:25:38.13\01:25:42.20
FOLK FINANCIALLY SO
THEY CAN SEND THESE OUT.
01:25:42.20\01:25:45.81
ANY CLOSING COMMENT?
WE HAVE ABOUT 35 SECONDS.
01:25:45.81\01:25:48.28
>> IF YOU ARE STRUGGLING
WITH ANYTHING, ONE OF THE MOST
01:25:48.28\01:25:52.65
BEAUTIFUL THINGS WE FIND IN THIS
MINISTRY IS PEOPLE COME UP TO US
01:25:52.65\01:25:57.75
AND SAY THIS ISN'T
ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY.
01:25:57.75\01:26:01.06
THIS IS ABOUT THE SIN ISSUE.
AND REREALIZE THIS IS A MINISTRY
01:26:01.06\01:26:04.43
ABOUT OVERCOMING SIN, AND
-- AND THAT'S BEEN A POWERFUL
01:26:04.43\01:26:09.13
REVELATION, I THINK FOR ALL
OF US, WHATEVER YOUR APPLICATION
01:26:09.13\01:26:12.93
IS, SEXUAL, BEHAVIORAL, GOD DOES
HAVE THE ANSWER, AND WE HOPE YOU
01:26:12.93\01:26:17.01
HAVE FOUND SOME HOPE
IN SOME OF WHAT WE SHARED.
01:26:17.01\01:26:19.91
>> ABSOLUTELY. AND
THAT'S WHAT I FOUND OUT -- I
01:26:19.91\01:26:22.11
DON'T LOOK AT THIS, AND SEPARATE
MYSELF FROM WHAT I'M SEEING.
01:26:22.11\01:26:26.11
I SAID YOU KNOW WHAT,
THAT'S THEIR STRUGGLE.
01:26:26.11\01:26:29.18
I HAVE MINE. AND
WHAT IT IS TELLING ME IS
01:26:29.18\01:26:32.35
THERE'S VICTORY IN
JESUS. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
01:26:32.35\01:26:36.16
>> THAT OLD SONG,
VICTORY IN JESUS, RIGHT?
01:26:36.16\01:26:40.16
HE IS THE ONLY ANSWER FOR
THIS WORLD'S PROBLEMS TODAY.
01:26:40.16\01:26:43.90
TONIGHT, I KNOW WE CAN'T COVER
EVERYTHING, BUT IT'S JUST A
01:26:43.90\01:26:48.17
START, AND HOPEFULLY THIS HAS
PIQUED YOUR MIND, YOUR THINKING,
01:26:48.17\01:26:51.97
AND HOPEFUL LIVE YOU ARE LOOKING
AT THINGS LIKE YOU NEVER HAVE
01:26:51.97\01:26:58.88
BEFORE. CONTACT THEM AT
01:26:58.88\01:27:02.85
COMINGOUTMINISTRIES.ORG.
YOU HAVE FIVE SECONDS TO CLOSE.
01:27:02.85\01:27:04.92
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAY?
>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
01:27:04.92\01:27:08.76
JOINING US NEXT TIME.
THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU.
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AND THANK YOU,
AND THANK YOU GUYS.
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