¤ >> WELCOME BACK TO THE SECOND
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HOUR OF 3ABN LIVE ON THURSDAY
NIGHT HERE IN THOMPSONVILLE.
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THIS IS IN THE
CENTRAL STATES OF AMERICA.
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WE'RE ON CENTRAL TIME
ZONE. SOMETIMES I SAY WE LIVE IN
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CENTRAL AMERICA.
THAT IS NOT EXACTLY
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GEOGRAPHICALLY CORRCT, BUT
THAT'S HOW I LIKE TO TERM IT,
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BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH THAT
HAPPENS HERE THAT IS ESSENTIAL
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TO THE BELIEFS OF OUR NATION
AND OUR WORLD, AND GOD HAS THE
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BLESSED 3ABN TO BE AT THE HEAD
OF MOVING AND MAKING AND SHARING
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WHAT GOD'S WORD SAYS, AND MAKING
A DIFFERENCE IN RELIGION AND IN
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SOME CASES MINE SET. WE
HAVE LINCOLN STEED WHO IS
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EDITOR OF "LIBERTY MAGAZINE."
AND ALSO THE HOST OF "LIBERTY
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INSIDER." THIS
IS VITALLY IMPORTANT
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BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE SAY POLITICS
AND RELIGION DOESN'T MIX.
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THEY SHOULD NOT COERCE
EACH OTHER, BUT WE LIVE IN A
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RELIGIOUSLY CHARGED ENVIRONMENT.
IF YOU HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE
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ELECTION FOR THE LAST 15,
20 YEARS, RELIGION IS PLAYING A
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LARGE ROLE IN POLITICS.
WHERE IS OUR NATION HEADING?
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TOMORROW ON FRIDAY, JANUARY
21ST, THE INAUGURATION OF A NEW
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ADMINISTRATION,
DONALD TRUMP IS GO
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GOING TO BE LIFTED TO THE
HIGHEST SEAT IN THE NATION, AND
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ONE OF THE
TOUGHEST SEATS IN THE WORLD.
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AND IF YOU HAE BEEN
LISTENING -- IF YOU HAVE EARS
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LIKE MINE, YOU CAN'T
HELP BUT HEAR SOMETHING.
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BUT THERE IS
QUITE A BIT BEING SAID.
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AND THERE ARE THOSE WHO ARE
IN FAVOR, AND THOSE AGAINST, BUT
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WHEN YOU WAKE UP IN THE MORNING,
ON THIS SOIL IN AMERICA,
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EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IS
FOR THE CITIZENRY IN AMERICA.
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LET'S TALK ABOUT
SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
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GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE AGAIN.
>> I FEEL LIKE THE BELLIS ABOUT
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TO RING. >> SHAKE
HANDS AND COME OUT
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SWINGING. [ LAUGHTER ]
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>> YOU HAVE THE SCAFFOLDING OF
HISTORY, BECAUSE WE ARE DOOMED
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TO REPEAT -- >> IF WE
DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY,
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WE ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT. >>
SO MANY THINGS THAT WE OFTEN
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SEE IN MILLENNIAL AMERICA,
WE GET SO FAST THAT WE SOMETIMES
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FORGET THAT THIS INFORMATION IS
SUBORDINATE FOR INFORMATION 200,
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200 YEARS AGO. >> BUT
YOU HAVE PUT YOUR FINGER
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ON WHY EVENTS
ARE NOW ON OVERDRIVE.
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>> THAT'S RIGHT. >>
WHEN AMERICA FIRST DECIDED TO
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SEPARATE FROM
ENGLAND. WHAT DID IT TAKE?
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THREE FOUR WEEKS FOR
WORD TO COME FROM ENGLAND.
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>> THAT'S RIGHT. >>
EVEN IN THE CIVIL WAR,
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REMEMBER THE
TELEGRAPH WAS IN ITS INFANCY.
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>> THAT'S RIGHT. >>
SO COMMUNICATION SPED
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EVERYTHING UP, AND NOW TWITTER
AND SOCIAL MEDIA MEANS ALMOST AT
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A MOMENT'S NOTICE,
YOUNG PEOPLE CAN BE MOBILIZED.
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ATTITUDES THAT ALWAYS FILTER
THROUGH A POPULATION THROUGH
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WORLD OF MOUTH, BUT THEY HAPPEN
LIKE THAT, RATHER THAN OVER
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SEVERAL MONTHS, AND WHEN THOSE
INTERSECT IT'S LIKE ON STEROIDS.
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>> THAT'S RIGHT. >>
IT'S NOT A MYSTERY, BUT IT IS
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STILL, REALLY, A NOVELTY TO US.
BECAUSE MOST OF THE ADULTS IN
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THE COUNTRY REMEMBER BACK WHEN
COMPUTERS WERE BARELY BEGINNING.
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I REMEMBER MY FIRST COMPUTER.
AND IN THAT SHORT TIME, '85 TO
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NOW, THE WORLD HAS
CHANGED -- THE WORLD HAS
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ARGUABLY CHANGED MORE IN THAT
PERIOD BECAUSE OF THE EFFECTS OF
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COMPUTERIZATION, THAN
THE 100 YEARS OR SO OF
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INDUSTRIALIZATION. >>
THINGS GET OLD MUCH FASTER
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NOWADAYS. YOU BUY
A COMPUTER, IN THREE
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YEARS THEY TALK
ABOUT THAT CHANGES.
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BUT THAT
INFORMATION IS BEING FILTERED.
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AND OFTEN SOMETIMES WHAT A NEWS
ORGANIZATION DECIDES TO SEND TO
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YOUR FACEBOOK PAGE IS
NOT ALSO THE COMPLETE STORY.
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IT IS DESIGNED TO GET YOU
TO THINK ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
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SO THAT'S WHY IT IS VITALLY
IMPORTANT, DON'T ALLOW YOUR
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FAITH TO BE SHAKEN TO THE CORE
BY WHAT IS HAPPENING IN AMERICA.
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KNOW CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR FIRST
AND FOREMOST, BUT DON'T CLOSE
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YOUR EARS TO THE DEVELOPMENTS OF
THE THINGS HAPPENING AROUND US,
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THE DANGER. >> I DO
BELIEVE WE'RE HEADING
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TOWARDS THE WRAP UP OF HUMAN
HISTORY AND THE FULL REVELATION
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OF WHAT GOD
INTENDS FOR THIS WORLD.
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AND THEN AN
INTERNAL KINGDOM AND BOND.
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I DON'T THINK IT IS GUARANTEED
THAT EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS
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POLITICAL SHIFT IS
ALL NEGATIVE. >> NO.
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>> THERE HAVE BEEN MANY TIMES
IN THE PAST WHERE PEOPLE THOUGHT
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THINGS WERE DISCONCERTING,
PARTICULARLY THE ONE WHO LOST.
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HAVE WE GONE SO FAR WHEN ONE
OF THE WEALTHIEST MEN IN AMERICA
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HAS BECOME PRESIDENT?
GEORGE WASHINGTON WAS ONE OF THE
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WEALTHIEST MEN IN THE COUNTRY.
HE MOVED THE CAPITOL FROM -- IT
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WAS AT HIS SUGGESTION THEY MOVED
THE CAPITOL FROM PHILADELPHIA TO
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WASHINGTON. ACROSS
THE RIVER FROM HIS HOME
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FOR HIS CONVENIENCE.
AND HE WASNEVER ASKED TO
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DIVEST. IT IS NOT REQUIRED.
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IT'S A STORM IN A TEA
CUP. >> I LIKE THAT TERM.
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>> YES. AND THE
CORPORATE VIEWPOINT, YOU
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KNOW, THE EX-OIL EXECUTIVE TO
BE SECRETARY OF STATE AND SO ON.
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PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND IN THE
UNITED STATES IT WAS CORPORATE
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FROM BEGINNING. CAPITALISM.
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AND THIS IS NOT
AN ATTACK ON HE U.S.
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IT'S A DESCRIPTION.
IT'S A CAPITALIST ENTITY.
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THE U.S. HAS NEVER BEEN
AN EMPIRE IN THE OLD IMPERIAL
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SENSE. THE U.S.
IS BEST SEEN AS LIKE
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VENICE. IT IS A TRADING EMPIRE.
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AS LONG AS THEY FEED US YOU
KNOW -- I THINK IT WAS THOROUGH
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SAYS, THE GREAT GAPING
MOUTH, AS LONG AS IT'S FED.
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THE SYSTEM IS WORKING JUST
FINE. IT'S A MER  -- MERCANTILE
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SYSTEM. IT'S NEVER
GOOD WHEN A COUNTRY
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BECOMES MILITARISTIC.
YOU MENTIONED THE -- THE --
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>> HACKSAW RIM. >> HACKSAW.
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THE HACKSAW RIDGE FILM IS
A WONDERFULLY INSPIRING STORY
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[ INAUDIBLE ] DESMOND WHO
ESTABLISHED HIMSLF IN WORLD WAR
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II, IT WAS OKINAWA,
WASN'T IT? >> THAT'S RIGHT.
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>> 75 PEOPLE, I THINK, UNDER
HEAVY FIRE, AND HE BROUGHT THEM
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OUT AND SURVIED. AMAZING.
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>> SHIRLEY WAS
IN THAT -- >> RIGHT.
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THOSE THINGS IN A CIVIL SENSE,
I THINK AMERICA CAN BE PROUD OF.
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IT WAS BRAVERY UNG -- UNDERFIRE.
BUT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, WITH
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A NON-CONSCRIPTED BUT A
VOLUNTEER MERCENARY ARMY, MUCH
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OF OUR SOCIETY IS RESPONDING
TO THE CALL OF MILITARISM.
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AND THAT'S WHAT
STARTED THE WARS IN EUROPE.
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SO IT DOESN'T
COME TO A GOOD END.
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>> IT DOESN'T. HE
WAS A CON SHEEENNOUS
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OBJECTOR. BUT WHAT
ABOUT -- THE CASE WITH
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KIM DAVIS WHEN SHE
DECIDED TO OBJECT --.
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>>> IN ANY CLERK
IN KENTUCKY, RIGHT?
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>> YES, IN ROWAN
COUNTY, KENTUCKY.
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AND I WOULD SAY HER CONSCIOUS
-- >> THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID.
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IT WAS A CONSCIOUS ISSUE,
AND WE CAN'T GET INTO HER MIND.
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SO WE HAVE TO GRANT HER
THE RIGHT TO HAVE A CONSCIOUS
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DECISION. BUT
NOBODY FORCED HER -- WAS
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FORCING HER TO DO WHAT SHE DID.
AND SHE WAS IN AN OFFICE WHERE
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SHE HAD RUN FOR ELECTION.
SHE COULD HAE -- AS JUDGES DO,
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SHE COULD HAVE EXEMPTED
HERSELF FROM THE SITUATION.
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SHE REFUSED AND SHE REFUSED
TO LET HER SUBORDINATES SIGN THE
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LICENSES. THAT
CERTAINLY DOESN'T SIT WELL
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ON A RELIGIOUS
FREEDOM MODEL IN MY VIEW.
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BUT FOR ALL I KNOW, HER
CONSCIOUS WAS PURE AND SHE WAS
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ACTING AS SHE FELT COMPELLED.
BUT THE MODEL OF BEHAVIOR
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DOESN'T PASS MUSTER. >>
WHAT ABOUT CHRISTIANS THAT
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SAY THEY FEEL THEIR RIGHTS
ARE BEING THREATENED BY THE
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GOVERNMENT -- >>
THE GOVERNMENT THREATENS
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PEOPLE'S RIGHTS
REGULARLY. ANY COUNTRY DOES.
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THAT'S WHY WE HAVE COURTS.
AND THE CONSTITUTION DOESN'T
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MEAN THAT DAY IN AND DAY
OUT IT IS HUGHED TO EXACTLY.
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IT IS CONSTANTLY
BEING QUESTIONED IN COURT.
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AND THE HIGH COURT JUSTICES
MAKE A DETERMINE, IS THIS
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CONSTITUTIONAL OR NOT?
AND MANY CHRISTIANS FRUSTRATED
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SAY, AT THE RISE OF HOMOSEXUAL
RIGHTS, SAY THESE JUDGES ARE
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LEGISLATING FROM THE BENCH.
THEY DIDN'T LEGISLATE FROM THE
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BENCH TO START WITH, BECAUSE
THEY DON'T COME UP WITH ISSUES
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OUT OF THIN AIR. BUT
I HEARD THE LATE JUSTICE
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SCALIA SAY THIS, YOU DON'T LIKE
WHAT WE DO, THERE IS REDRESS,
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THE
LEGISLATURE. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
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>> AND IF THE CONSTITUTION
ITSELF IS OFFENSIVE, THERE IS A
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MEASURE. IT LAYS
OUT A CLEAR TRACK WHICH
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HAS BEEN FOLLOWED MANY TIMES.
THE AMENDMENTS GIVING VOTING
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RIGHTS TO WOMEN. THE --
I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A
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FEW OF THEM. THE
PROHIBITION MEASURE, AND
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REVERSAL OF PROHIBITION.
THEY WERE ALL IN THAT PROCESS.
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>> SO IF WE DISAGREE -- >>
WE'RE NOT RULED BY THE COURT.
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>> EXACTLY. >> THEY
HAVE MADE SOME HORRIBLE
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DECISIONS. THE DREDD
SCOTT DECISION WAS ONE
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OF THE FORCE. THE
SMITH DECISION THAT
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PENALIZED RELIGIOUS
CEREMONIES FOR NATIVE AMERICANS.
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THAT REALLY IGNORED
THE RELIGIOUS RIGHTS.
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WE MIGHT NOT BE SYMPATHETIC TO
THAT VIEW, BUT THERE WERE LARGER
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RAMIFICATIONS THAT BASICALLY
HELD IF IT WAS THE LAW OF
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GENERAL APPLICABILITY, EVEN
IF IT IS YOUR RELIGIOUS FAITH.
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YOU WOULD BE RESTRICTED. >>
SO SHOULD WE BE SUPPORTIVE OF
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THINGS?-HOW DO WE -- -p>>
SUPPORTIVE OF THE SYSTEM -- >>
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OKAY. BUT HOW DO WE -- >>
WE'RE ALLOWED TO COMPLAIN.
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>> BUT HOW DO WE ADDRESS ISSUES
THAT WE DIFFER ON AS CITIZENS?
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WHAT SHOULD WE DO? >>
WELL, YOU AND I KNOW THIS --
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>> I'M BAITING YOU.
>> IT'S AMAZINGLY EASY TO
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CONTACT YOUR
REPRESENTATIVE. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
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>> IF YOU ARE WILLING TO
GET AIRFARE, YOU CAN GO TO
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WASHINGTON AND WALK IN ON
YOUR SENATORS OR CONGRESSMAN'S
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OFFICE, HE MAY NOT TALK TO
YOU, BUT LIKELY A STAFFER WILL.
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AND LIKELY THEY'LL COME
OUT AND SHAKE YOUR HAND.
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BUT WE HAVE BEEN SURPRISED ON
MAJOR ISSUES THAT OUR CHURCH HAS
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BEEN INVOLVED WITH, THE FEEDBACK
WE HAVE GOTTEN FROM SOME
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OFFICES. ONE THAT
WE WERE VERY PROACTIVE
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ON, THEY MADE THE COMMENT TO US,
THAT THEY HAD BEEN UNDATED WITH
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REQUESTS TO ACT
ON THIS LEGISLATION.
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WE INVESTIGATED IT. IT
WAS LIKE A DOZEN LETTERS THEY
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SAY. >> THAT'S HARDLY INUNDATED.
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>> IF I GET FOUR OR FIVE LETTERS
ATTACKING ME AS AN EDITOR, I
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WRITE IT LARGER.
BUT A FEW SINGLE PEOPLE
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CONTACTING THEIR LEGISLATURE
DIRECTLY, CAN MAKE A
DIFFERENCE,-AND CAN BE HEARD.
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IT'S AMAZING, EVEN POST 9/11 IN
WASHINGTON, THE SENOR TOAL AND
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CONSTRUCTIONAL OFFICERS ONCE YOU
GO THROUGH THE METAL DETECTOR,
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YOU CAN WANDER AROUND AND PASS
THESE PEOPLE IN THE HALLWAY, AND
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SAY HELLO, AND
THEY WILL TALK TO YOU.
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>> I HAD THAT PRIVILEGE WHEN I
WENT TO WASHINGTON, D.C.-HAVE A
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SEAT. I'LL BE RIGHT
BACK. >> IT'S A GOOD THING.
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>> VERY GOOD THING. >>
THERE MIGHT BE A VERY SMALL
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RISK, BUT THEY DO
HAVE SECURITY AT THE DOOR.
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BUT WE'RE STILL AT A POINT WHERE
WE'RE RELATIVELY OPEN TO THE
00:15:05.97\00:15:11.47
FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY.
ABRAHAM LINCOLN COMPLAINED THAT
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CITIZENS WERE ALWAYS
INTERRUPTING HIM AT DINNER.
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[ LAUGHTER ] >> BUT
PEOPLE CAN MAKE THEIR
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VOICE HEARD RELATIVELY EASY,
AND I OFTEN TELL OUR OWN CHURCH
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MEMBERS THAT THEY CAN
WRITE LETTERS TO THE EDITOR,
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THERE'S -- OF COURSE, I DONE DO
IT, IT'S NOT MY THING, BUT EVEN
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FACEBOOK AND TWITTER, YOU
CAN INCREASE YOUR INFLUENCE WAY
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BEYOND YOUR --
>> AND QUOTATION --
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>> AND THERE IS A LOT OF CHEAP
TALK ON HOW THIS COUNTRY BECAME
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TO BE, THAT THIS IS A
DEMOCRACY. IT'S A REPRESENTATIVE
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GOVERNMENT. IT
MAKES IT IN SOME WAYS MORE
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LIKELY THAT THE PEOPLE
WITH THE REAL INTEREST CAN BE
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REGARDED -- YOUR
REPRESENTATIVE -- EVEN USE THAT
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TERM -- THEY STAND IN FOR
A WHOLE CONSTITUENCY, AND HE
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SENSES THE GOOD OF THE AREA.
YOU ARE STILL GOING TO GET A
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HEARING, I THINK. NOW
THERE'S NO QUESTION, AS THE
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IN-COMING PRESIDENT AS SAID, AS
MANY OTHERS, THE LOB BEEISTS AND
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ALL OF THE OTHERS
HAVE AN UNDUE INFLUENCE.
00:16:34.76\00:16:39.46
THAT IS THE BLOW BACK
FROM THE CAPITALIST SYSTEM.
00:16:39.46\00:16:44.37
BUT I HAVE BEEN WITH GROUPS MANY
TIMES, WHERE WE HAVE MEETINGS,
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AND WE'LL GO TO A CONGRESSMAN'S
OFFICE, AND THEY WANT TO HEAR
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FROM THEM. >> THAT'S RIGH.
00:16:56.28\00:16:58.41
AND FOR THE MOST PART, PEOPLE
ARE NOT SPEAKING, SO THAT'S WHY
00:16:58.41\00:17:03.28
THEY FEEL MISUNDERSTOOD. >> YES.
00:17:03.28\00:17:04.79
>> ONE OF THE BIGGEST LAND MARKS
I FEEL WAS INFLUENCE WALL SHALL,
00:17:04.79\00:17:11.49
WAS THAT AN ENTIRE GROUP OF
PEOPLE FELT THEY WERE HEARD FOR
00:17:11.49\00:17:16.33
THE FIRST TIME. SOME
SAID IN PRIOR ELECTIONS WE
00:17:16.33\00:17:21.30
FELT OUR VOICES WERE NOT HEARD.
AND IN MANY CASES IF PEOPLE
00:17:21.30\00:17:26.17
DON'T FEEL THEY ARE BEING HEARD,
THEN THEY ARE GOING TO FIND
00:17:26.17\00:17:29.54
OTHER MEANS TO BE HEARD --
>> LIVING IN WASHINGTON, I HEARD
00:17:29.54\00:17:33.82
THE TALK ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT
DOING NOTHING, AND IT CAME FROM
00:17:33.82\00:17:36.99
MANY SOURCES, BUT THE NET EFFECT
FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON WAS THEY
00:17:36.99\00:17:41.96
WERE ALL A BUNCH OF
BUMS, KICK THEM ALL OUT.
00:17:41.96\00:17:45.96
I THINK ANYBODY THAT RAN ON
THAT PLATFORM WOULD LIKELY WIN.
00:17:45.96\00:17:52.00
IT SHOULD BE A -- GIVE
THEM MARCHING ORDERS TO THE NEW
00:17:52.00\00:17:57.51
ADMINISTRATION TO BE RESPONSIVE
TO THE CONSTITUENCY, IT WAS NOT
00:17:57.51\00:18:06.98
INSULTS OR WHATEVER -- IT WAS
THIS SEA CHANGE OF PEOPLE WHO
00:18:06.98\00:18:13.89
WERE FED UP WITH NON-RESPONSIVE
AND WHAT THEY THOUGHT WERE DEL
00:18:13.89\00:18:23.80
TAUNT POLITICIANS. >>
YOU DID AN EDITORIAL --
00:18:23.80\00:18:28.84
>> I CALLED IT THE
DeLOREAN [ INAUDIBLE ].
00:18:28.84\00:18:34.54
REMEMBER BACK TO
THE FUTURE. [ LAUGHTER ]
00:18:34.54\00:18:37.91
>> YES. >> THIS
IS A PIVOTAL YEAR IN
00:18:37.91\00:18:44.79
RELIGION. >>
YES, IT'S A MOMENT OF
00:18:44.79\00:18:47.52
REVELATION OF PROCESSES THAT ARE
IN PLAY, AND I -- I WISH BOTH
00:18:47.52\00:18:53.53
THEN COMING PRESIDENT, AND THE
VICE PRESIDENT AND ALL OF THE
00:18:53.53\00:19:01.67
APPOINTEES VERY WELL. AND
I THINK LIKE ALWAYS THERE IS
00:19:01.67\00:19:04.84
A MIXED BAG OF APPOINTEES, SOME
I THINK SPOT ON, OTHERS, BUT
00:19:04.84\00:19:10.88
WE'LL SEE. BUT I
LOOK AT THE WHOLE FIELD,
00:19:10.88\00:19:18.85
THE NEW VICE PRESIDENT APPEARS
TO BE AN EXEMPLARY KIND AND
00:19:18.85\00:19:29.30
GENTLE PERSON. WHAT
TROUBLES ME, AND WE RAN AN
00:19:29.30\00:19:33.00
ARTICLE ABOUT GOVERNOR PENCE.
THERE WAS A HUGE SCANDAL IN
00:19:33.00\00:19:38.67
INDIANA ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF
AGO THAT WAS THE LAST SAGA OF
00:19:38.67\00:19:44.35
THE RELIGIOUS
FREEDOM RESTORATION ACT.
00:19:44.35\00:19:48.22
A VERY IMPORTANT
ISSUE. STARTED AT THE FEDERAL
00:19:48.22\00:19:51.72
LAW -- TWO-PLUS
DECADES AGO IT WAS PASSED.
00:19:51.72\00:19:55.62
BUT THE SUPREME COURT SAID
IT WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, NOT
00:19:55.62\00:19:59.59
BECAUSE OF ITS IMPORT, BUT IT
WAS NOT APPLICABLE TO EVERYONE
00:19:59.59\00:20:08.60
THROUGH FEDERAL EMPLOYEES.
SO STATE BY STATE, PEOPLE HAVE
00:20:08.60\00:20:12.34
BEEN TRYING TO -- KICK START
STATE -- REFORM LAWS, WHICH ONCE
00:20:12.34\00:20:17.78
ALL OF THE STATES ARE LINED UP,
IT AMOUNTS TO THE SAME THING,
00:20:17.78\00:20:23.92
WHICH IS A FEDERAL LAW.
AND INDIANA WAS THE 29TH
00:20:23.92\00:20:30.73
STRAIGHT. IT SPELLED IT OUT IN A
00:20:30.73\00:20:35.13
CONTEMPORARY WAY. BUT
AS IT CAME CLOSE TO INDIANA
00:20:35.13\00:20:39.07
AND THE RIVALRY BETWEEN
RELIGIOUS RIGHTS AND GAY RIGHTS,
00:20:39.07\00:20:43.24
HE DID A NUMBER OF CONSERVATIVE
RELIGIOUS ACTIVISTS, STARTED
00:20:43.24\00:20:49.71
INSERTING RIDERS WHICH IS A
CLASSIC IN WASHINGTON, YOU KNOW,
00:20:49.71\00:20:53.78
A BILL CAN HAVE
STRANGE THINGS ADDED TO IT.
00:20:53.78\00:20:56.42
AND THEY ADDED TO THESE
RELIGIOUS BILLING, PROVISIONS
00:20:56.42\00:21:01.86
THAT WOULD ALLOW CHRISTIANS
OR INDEED ANYBODY RUNNING A
00:21:01.86\00:21:06.86
BUSINESS TO EXCLUDE PEOPLE -- IF
YOU DON'T LIKE A GAY COUPLE OF
00:21:06.86\00:21:12.13
WHATEVER, I'M NOT
GOING TO SERVE YOU.
00:21:12.13\00:21:15.04
THAT SOUNDS GOOD FROM A
MORALISTIC, SIMPLISTIC POINT OF
00:21:15.04\00:21:19.87
VIEW OF A CHRISTIAN.
BUT EVEN FROM A CHRISTIAN
00:21:19.87\00:21:26.11
PERSPECTIVE WHY SHOULD
YOU PICK UPON THAT PERSON?
00:21:26.11\00:21:29.52
DOUBTLESS OTHER WIFE BEATERS.
DRUG PUSHERS, AND ALLOF THE
00:21:29.52\00:21:34.09
REST COMING IN. YOU DON'T KNOW.
00:21:34.09\00:21:36.32
YOU CAN'T RUN AN
FBI CHECK ON EVERYONE.
00:21:36.32\00:21:39.46
YOU ARE THERE TO SEVE THE
PUBLIC, AND AS A CHRISTIAN YOU
00:21:39.46\00:21:43.20
ARE TO RELATE TO ALL PEOPLE.
THE EARLY CHRISTIANS OF THE
00:21:43.20\00:21:47.67
ROMAN EMPIRE THEY WERE DEALING
WITH THE MOST CORRUPT SOCIETY.
00:21:47.67\00:21:54.01
BUT THEY DIDN'T SAY
I WON'T DEAL WITH YOU.
00:21:54.01\00:21:56.28
THEY WITNESSED TO THEM.
BUT THIS LAW WAS DESIGNED TO
00:21:56.28\00:22:02.88
EXCLUDE VERY BELLIGERENTLY
THOSE THAT MORALLY DIFFERED.
00:22:02.88\00:22:09.02
AND IT DIDN'T
GET BUY IN INDIANA.
00:22:09.02\00:22:11.89
THE GOVERNOR SIGNED IT, BECAUSE
HE WAS PART OF THE INITIATIVE.
00:22:11.89\00:22:17.17
BUT THEN THE NATIONAL
FUROR ERUPTED, AND HE BACKED UP.
00:22:17.17\00:22:25.81
AND IT'S VERY UNLIKELY ANY TIME
SOON THE STATES BEYOND THE 20
00:22:25.81\00:22:31.05
WILL GET THE LAW. >>
SOMETIMES PEOPLE SAY LET'S GO
00:22:31.05\00:22:34.28
BACK TO THE FOUNDING FATHERS,
OR THE RELIGION OF OUR FOUNDING
00:22:34.28\00:22:40.59
FATHERS. THERE
WAS SUCH FEAR OF WHAT
00:22:40.59\00:22:42.86
HAPPENED IN EUROPE WITH THE
POWER OF THE CHURCH THAT DAY,
00:22:42.86\00:22:47.30
THAT FOUNDING FATHERS
ESTABLISHED SOMETHING SIMILAR,
00:22:47.30\00:22:53.64
LIMITING PEOPLE -- >>
YEAH, BEFORE THE AMERICAN
00:22:53.64\00:22:57.11
REPUBLIC. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
00:22:57.11\00:22:58.24
>> THERE ARE
SOME HORRIBLE CASES.
00:22:58.24\00:23:01.51
RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION WAS
THE NORM IN SOME OF THE COLLIES.
00:23:01.51\00:23:09.42
WAS IT THE MASSACHUSETTS BAY
COLONY -- THEY HANGED QUAKERS IN
00:23:09.42\00:23:17.29
NEW ENGLAND. >> RIGHT.
00:23:17.29\00:23:19.49
>> AND THEY JUST
DIFFERED FROM THE SCRIPT.
00:23:19.49\00:23:23.20
THE COUPLE CAME BACK
AND THEY STRUNG THEM UP.
00:23:23.20\00:23:25.73
IT WAS AMAZING. >>
BUT WHERE I'M HEADED WIH
00:23:25.73\00:23:29.60
THIS IS IF YOU FOLLOW THAT TRAIN
OF THOUGHT THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO
00:23:29.60\00:23:35.74
BELIEVE IN A CERTAIN SE OF
PREESTABLISHED BELIEFS IN ORDER
00:23:35.74\00:23:39.55
TO BE IN OFFICE, PEOPLE BEGAN
TO PRESCRIBE TO THESE BELIEFS.
00:23:39.55\00:23:50.46
>> THAT'S THE CATCH.
NOW YOU ARE BRINGING UP THE
00:23:50.46\00:23:53.29
CONSTITUTION AGAIN.
MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW
00:23:53.29\00:23:55.53
ABOUT IT. THERE'S
ONLY -- HALF OF THE
00:23:55.53\00:23:58.73
FIRST AMENDMENT, AND ONE
ORE CLAUSE, IT'S CALLED THE -- I
00:23:58.73\00:24:02.60
WILL NOT CHARACTERIZE IT, BUT
IT SAYS THIS, NO RELIGIOUS TESTS
00:24:02.60\00:24:07.18
FOR PUBLIC
OFFICE. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
00:24:07.18\00:24:10.25
>> THAT DOESN'T MEAN
PEOPLE -- WHEN YOU GO TO THE
00:24:10.25\00:24:13.78
VOTING, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO SAY
FOR YOURSELF, I DON'T CARE FOR
00:24:13.78\00:24:18.55
THAT PERSON, THAT'S
THEIR RELIGIOUS VIEWPOINT.
00:24:18.55\00:24:21.86
I WOULD RATHER
VOTE FOR THIS PERSON.
00:24:21.86\00:24:26.19
THAT'S FINE. AND
THESE CONTINUES CHARGES THAT
00:24:26.19\00:24:32.47
WE HAD A PRESIDENT WHO WAS A
SECRET -- SOMETHING OR OTHER.
00:24:32.47\00:24:36.07
NO EVIDENCE OF IT, BUT EVEN
IF IT WERE TRUE, IT WOULDN'T D
00:24:36.07\00:24:47.52
DISQUALIFY ANYONE
FROM BEING PRESIDENT.
00:24:47.52\00:24:50.59
ANY GOOD RELIGION WILL
-- WILL -- IN MANY WAYS
00:24:50.59\00:24:55.32
AFFECT THAT
PERSON'S GENERAL BEHAVIOR.
00:24:55.32\00:24:58.36
SO IT'S NOT DISTANCES FROM THEM.
BUT WE DO WANT SOMEONE -- AS I
00:24:58.36\00:25:04.43
CITED PRESIDENT KENNEDY
BEFORE -- WE WANT SOMETHING THAT
00:25:04.43\00:25:08.90
UNDERSTANDS THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN STATE CRAFT AND
00:25:08.90\00:25:11.17
RELIGION. AND THEY
HAVE TO KEEP THEIR HAND
00:25:11.17\00:25:13.14
OUT OF THE POWER TILL WHEN
THEY ARE DEALING WITH RELIGION.
00:25:13.14\00:25:18.08
YOU CANNOT REQUIRE PEOPLE TO
ADHERE TO A CERTAIN FAITH VIEW
00:25:18.08\00:25:23.18
POINT. >> THERE
HAS BEEN SOME FEAR IN
00:25:23.18\00:25:25.45
AMERICA. WE HAVE SO MUCH CRIME.
00:25:25.45\00:25:27.09
IN SOME CITIES CRIME
IS JUST OFF OF THE CHAIN.
00:25:27.09\00:25:30.99
SOME CRIMES SEEM TO BE UNABLE
TO BE REIGNED IN BY THE LOCAL
00:25:30.99\00:25:40.07
POLICE, AND IN SOME CASES THEY
SAID WE SHOULD START USING DRONE
00:25:40.07\00:25:46.14
STRIKES. IT IS
AMAZING THAT THAT IS EVEN
00:25:46.14\00:25:49.38
BEING SUGGESTED. >> TO
ME IT'S LOGICAL, BUT IT
00:25:49.38\00:25:52.88
HAS NOT BEEN SAID PUBLICLY
FOR A LONG TIME, BUT KILLING
00:25:52.88\00:25:58.12
PEOPLE -- TARGETED KILLINGS OF
PEOPLE IN COUNTRIES AND PLACES
00:25:58.12\00:26:02.59
THAT WE'RE NOT AT WAR WITH,
IS EXTRA LEGAL IN A WAR SENSE.
00:26:02.59\00:26:15.00
WE HAVE A COURT SYSTEM.
THE CONSTITUTION GIVES YOU THE
00:26:15.00\00:26:18.07
PROCESS OF LAW. YOU
ARE ENTITLED TO A TRIAL BY
00:26:18.07\00:26:22.98
YOUR PEERS. THAT'S
IN THE CONSTITUTION.
00:26:22.98\00:26:27.55
>> >> RIGHT.
00:26:27.55\00:26:29.78
>> SO ALL OF US SHOULD
REACT TO THAT SUGGESTION.
00:26:29.78\00:26:33.66
MAYBE IN CERTAIN CASES, WHERE
THERE'S A CLEAR AND PRESENT
00:26:33.66\00:26:38.89
DANGER TO A POPULATION,
AND THERE IS A MURDER RUNNING
00:26:38.89\00:26:42.93
AROUND, YES. BUT IT'S
A BREAK IN THE PROTOCOL
00:26:42.93\00:26:51.04
AND IT WILL END BADLY.
THEY WHO GIVE AWAY ESSENTIAL
00:26:51.04\00:26:58.21
LIBERTIES FOR PROTECTION
DESERVE -- LET ME SEE -- DESERVE
00:26:58.21\00:27:03.82
NEITHER LIBERTY NOR PROTECTION
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
00:27:03.82\00:27:07.46
OR -- OR -- THERE'S BEEN MANY
TIMES THAT PEOPLE HAVE GIVEN
00:27:07.46\00:27:11.29
AWAY RIGHTS TO COUNTER A GREATER
THREAT, BUT CLEARLY WHEN YOU
00:27:11.29\00:27:15.43
LOOK AT A BALANCING ACT, PERHAPS
BY GIVING -- WE WERE FIGHTING
00:27:15.43\00:27:20.50
COMMUNISM, WHICH DIDN'T ACCEPT
THE RIGHTS OF FREE PEOPLE, AND
00:27:20.50\00:27:23.61
IT WAS RATHER CONTROLLING, EVEN
THOUGH IT WAS A RELIGION OF THE
00:27:23.61\00:27:28.41
PROGRESS OF MAN. BUT IN
FIGHTING THEM, WE HAVE TO
00:27:28.41\00:27:32.55
BECOME VIOLENT, IF WE HAVE TO
DENY, AGAIN, THEIR RIGHTS, YOU
00:27:32.55\00:27:37.55
KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU FIGHTING FOR
IF YOU HAVE BECOME LIKE THEN?
00:27:37.55\00:27:46.06
YOU KNOW, WE'RE FIGHTING AGAINST
SOME PRETTY BAD CHARACTERS.
00:27:46.06\00:27:49.56
NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT
THAT WAS THE PROBLEM.
00:27:49.56\00:27:52.20
JUST RANDOM ARRESTS.
BUT HERE INHUMAN DISGRACE IS
00:27:52.20\00:27:59.04
VISITED UPON PEOPLE, SO
WHERE IS THE MORAL HIGH GROUND?
00:27:59.04\00:28:02.28
WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL.
WE LIVE IN A VERY IMPERFECT
00:28:02.28\00:28:07.95
WORLD, WHERE GOD'S SPIRIT AND
PRINCIPLES ARE NOT UNIVERSALLY
00:28:07.95\00:28:13.22
APPLIES, BUT THE U.S. SETS UP
A CONTRADICTION THAT CAN BE VERY
00:28:13.22\00:28:19.16
-DANGEROUS. THE ASSUMPTION THAT
WHAT WE DO IS MORAL AND RIGHT
00:28:19.16\00:28:23.67
AUTOMATICALLY. AND
WHEN WE CLEARLY DO SOMETHING
00:28:23.67\00:28:26.97
LESS, THEN YOU HAVE
AN INTERNAL CONFLICT.
00:28:26.97\00:28:31.14
DO YOU FESS UP OR MAINTAIN
THAT THIS IS A RIGHTEOUS ACT?
00:28:31.14\00:28:38.05
>> THAT'S TRUE. >> AND
REMEMBER WHEN A PRESIDENT
00:28:38.05\00:28:41.05
TRIES TO APOLOGIZE, OR THEY
THINK HE IS, OR SOMEONE THINKS
00:28:41.05\00:28:45.35
HE SHOULD, THERE IS
THE STATEMENT, I WILL NEVER
00:28:45.35\00:28:49.09
APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT AMERICA DOES.
IT IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE WHAT
00:28:49.09\00:28:53.16
ITS FOUNDING CHARTER SAID, AND
ITS PRODUCT OF A CROSS-SECTION
00:28:53.16\00:28:57.80
OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE
WONDERFUL ASPIRATIONS.
00:28:57.80\00:29:01.64
WHEN ROME IS DONE, IF YOU DON'T
ACKNOWLEDGE IT, YOU NOT DON'T
00:29:01.64\00:29:13.21
ONLY DENY YOURSELF, BUT IT IS
PART OF A DECLINE OF MORALITY.
00:29:13.21\00:29:20.02
>> SO YOU SHOULD
ADMIT AND THEN READJUST --
00:29:20.02\00:29:23.16
>> I THINK SO. IT'S
NOT A SIGN OF WEAKNESS TO
00:29:23.16\00:29:27.03
APOLOGIZE. >> NO, IT ISN'T.
00:29:27.03\00:29:31.17
ACKNOWLEDGMENT -- >> [
INAUDIBLE ] SURVEIL ABOUT
00:29:31.17\00:29:35.17
IT, BUT WE HAVE
DONE IT IN A FEW CASES.
00:29:35.17\00:29:38.41
I THINK I ALLUDED TO IT BEFORE,
THE HIGH COURTS ACKNOWLEDGED THE
00:29:38.41\00:29:45.71
INTERNMENT OF THE
JAPANESE WAS WRONG.
00:29:45.71\00:29:48.58
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
WASN'T IT ALSO FROM A
00:29:48.58\00:29:51.52
COMPENSATING PARAMETER, THAT
THEY DECIDE LET'S GO AHEAD AND
00:29:51.52\00:29:55.22
RESTORE IN A FINANCIAL
WAY -- >> I REMEMBER THERE WAS
00:29:55.22\00:29:58.96
COMPENSATION. YOU
CAN'T SET THINGS RIGHT.
00:29:58.96\00:30:02.03
THOSE PEOPLE WERE TREATED
INAPPROPRIATELY FOR HUMANS IN
00:30:02.03\00:30:05.77
GENERAL, AND CITIZENS.
IT WAS JUST TAKEN AWAY FROM
00:30:05.77\00:30:09.37
THEM. AND WHAT IS
SELDOM NOTED, WHEN
00:30:09.37\00:30:13.41
THEY LEFT THEIR PROPERTY,
THEY REVERTED QUICKLY TO THE
00:30:13.41\00:30:18.05
GOVERNMENTAL BODY, BECAUSE YOU
DON'T PAY YOUR RIGHTS, QUICKLY
00:30:18.05\00:30:22.25
IT'S GONE. AND
WORSE, MANY PEOPLE JUST
00:30:22.25\00:30:25.22
MOVED IN AND TOOK POSSESSION.
AND AFTER THE WAR THEY HAD GREAT
00:30:25.22\00:30:30.59
TROUBLE, PROVING
TITLE TO THEIR PROPERTY.
00:30:30.59\00:30:32.43
SO IT WAS A GREAT SOCIAL WRONG.
WHICH, WE KNOW WHAT CAUSED IT,
00:30:32.43\00:30:37.00
IT WAS PANIC. >> UH-HUH.
00:30:37.00\00:30:39.47
>> THE SENSE OF
EMINENT ATTACK FROM JAPAN.
00:30:39.47\00:30:43.30
IT WAS NEVER A
REALLY POSSIBILITY.
00:30:43.30\00:30:45.77
BUT PANIC SET IN, AND PEOPLE WHO
ARE PANICKED DO HORRIBLE THINGS.
00:30:45.77\00:30:50.51
BUT IT NEEDS TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED.
>> YOU THIS PHRASE NEXT UNTIL
00:30:50.51\00:30:57.39
PROVEN GUILTY. >> IT'S
PRECISELY AT THE MOMENTS
00:30:57.39\00:31:00.62
OF GREATEST FEAR THAT WE NEED
TO CLING STRONGLY TO PRINCIPALS,
00:31:00.62\00:31:09.63
SECULAR, CONSTITUTIONAL, AND
OF COURSE TO HIGHER MORALITY.
00:31:09.63\00:31:13.77
>> SO TERRORISM IN AMERICA -- WE
JUST -- I THINK SINCE 2001, HAVE
00:31:13.77\00:31:22.54
EXPERIENCED SOMETHING IN
AMERICA THAT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN
00:31:22.54\00:31:26.85
ESCALATED -- >>
THEY ARE ALL BEING
00:31:26.85\00:31:29.85
MANIPULATED -- >> YEAH --
00:31:29.85\00:31:30.72
>> THERE IS NO QUESTION WE HAVE
BEEN M-- MANIPULATED GREATLY.
00:31:30.72\00:31:42.76
BUT FEAR IS BEING USED TO HERD
PEOPLE INTO CERTAIN VIEWPOINTS.
00:31:42.76\00:31:49.07
I LIVE IN
WASHINGTON, I KNOW THE SHOCK.
00:31:49.07\00:31:51.61
I HAD TO DRIVE TO WORK NOT JUST
WITH THE SMOKE OF THE PENTAGON,
00:31:51.61\00:31:55.94
BUT FOLLOWING THAT WE HAD THE
WASHINGTON SHOOTERS -- I CAN'T
00:31:55.94\00:31:59.65
REMEMBER WHAT THEY CALLED
THEM -- ALMOST EVERY DAY, I
00:31:59.65\00:32:02.62
WOULD SEE THE HELICOPTERS
CIRCLING AROUND AS I CAME TO
00:32:02.62\00:32:07.16
WORK, SEASON
ELSE HAD BEEN KILLED.
00:32:07.16\00:32:08.96
AND IT WAS AN UNSCENE SHOT.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WAS
00:32:08.96\00:32:12.49
COMING FROM. I KNOW IT WAS FEAR.
00:32:12.49\00:32:14.63
BUT WE HAVE TO FIGHT AGAINST IT.
BECAUSE WE'RE BEING HURDED BY
00:32:14.63\00:32:27.08
THIS FEAR PRINCIPLE.
THINK ABOUT 9/11, IT WAS
00:32:27.08\00:32:33.05
SHOCKING VISIBLY.
ENGLAND, WAS LONDON EVER AT A
00:32:33.05\00:32:40.79
THREAT OF FALLING? NEVER.
00:32:40.79\00:32:42.92
SO IT IS ONLY A HUGE THREAT
-- A THREAT OF DISILLUSION IF WE
00:32:42.92\00:32:48.76
ALLOW IT TO BE. AND
I'M AFRAID WE ARE GOING TO
00:32:48.76\00:32:52.27
LIVE UNTIL THE END OF
TIME WITH A TERRORIST THREAT.
00:32:52.27\00:32:55.47
THE GENIE IS OUT OF THE BOTTLE.
BUT YOU MENTIONED SHOOTINGS AND
00:32:55.47\00:32:59.74
CRIME IN THE CITY, THAT'S WAY
ABOVE ANY REAL WORLD THREAT OF
00:32:59.74\00:33:05.95
TERRORISM. >> THAT'S TRUE.
00:33:05.95\00:33:06.78
>> THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT
DIE IN RANDOM SHOOTINGS, AND
00:33:06.78\00:33:11.22
EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT THE POLICE
NOW, BUT IN THE U.S. IN GENERAL,
00:33:11.22\00:33:16.32
THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHOT
BY THEIR OWN GUN, PHENOMENAL.
00:33:16.32\00:33:20.26
AND THE GANG VIOLENCE, THAT'S A
SOCIAL SICKNESS THAT SOCIETY CAN
00:33:20.26\00:33:24.37
DO SOMETHING ABOUT, WHEREAS
TERRORISM, YOU CAN'T STOP IT.
00:33:24.37\00:33:29.20
WE'RE VULNERABLE AT EVERY POINT.
>> SO DOES -- THIS IS A WORD
00:33:29.20\00:33:33.74
THAT MANY LISTENING MAY OR MAY
NOT HAVE HEARD OF, BUT I CAN USE
00:33:33.74\00:33:44.12
THAT TO GET YOU ON MY SIDE --
>> OH, WE'RE CLEARLY A PART OF
00:33:44.12\00:33:50.83
THAT. >> OKAY.
00:33:50.83\00:33:52.29
>> I REMEMBER THE VICE PRESIDENT
AROUND THE TIME OF 9/11, HE MADE
00:33:52.29\00:33:57.00
A COMMENT THAT WE DIDN'T LET ANY
OPPORTUNITY PASS BY OUR NEWS.
00:33:57.00\00:34:03.37
NOT THE LEAST OF
WISH THE -- PATRIOT ACT.
00:34:03.37\00:34:06.84
>> BECAUSE WE HEARD A LOT --
>> THE PATRIOT ACT WAS RATHER
00:34:06.84\00:34:11.88
CONVENIENCE. IT
PASSED SO QUICKLY.
00:34:11.88\00:34:14.22
IT CLEARLY WAS
SITTING READY TO GO.
00:34:14.22\00:34:16.72
>> RIGHT. YOU
COULDN'T HAVE IT PASS SO
00:34:16.72\00:34:20.22
QUICKLY -- >> IT
WAS SAID BY -- SENATOR L
00:34:20.22\00:34:27.56
LAYHI SAID THAT. THIS
IS A GRAB BAG THAT CERTAIN
00:34:27.56\00:34:31.77
PEOPLE HAVE WANTED FOR A
LONG TIME, AND NOW IT'S HERE.
00:34:31.77\00:34:35.80
AND AFTER IT PASSED HE SAID
IT'S CALLED THE PATRIOT ACT.
00:34:35.80\00:34:41.48
I VOTED AGAINST IT.
WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE ME?
00:34:41.48\00:34:44.98
>> HUM. >> I READ
AN ARTICLE AT THE TIME
00:34:44.98\00:34:49.95
IN A FRENCH MAGAZINE, AND
THE SOCIAL SCIENTISTS SAID THE
00:34:49.95\00:34:54.86
EVENTS OF 9/11 HAD SO MUCH
IMPACT, FIRST BECAUSE IT WAS
00:34:54.86\00:34:59.89
REAL, BUT THE DANGER WAS NOT
SO MUCH THAT IT WAS REAL, IT WAS
00:34:59.89\00:35:03.47
FAR WORSE, IT WAS SYMBOLIC.
WE SAW A TOWER COME DOWN, BUT
00:35:03.47\00:35:08.60
THIS WAS A SYMBOLIC COLLAPSE
OF A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY.
00:35:08.60\00:35:13.41
AND I DON'T THINK IT
HAS BEEN REPLACED SINCE.
00:35:13.41\00:35:16.64
WE'RE ALL AJITTER. AND
THAT'S THE ENVIRONMENT THAT
00:35:16.64\00:35:19.28
HAS BEEN USED IN
MANY, MANY COUNTRIES.
00:35:19.28\00:35:23.22
AND IT'S A HUMAN CHARACTERISTIC.
THAT'S AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE LAWS
00:35:23.22\00:35:29.02
AND RULES AND
REGULATIONS AND SOCIAL NORMS ARE
00:35:29.02\00:35:34.00
SHORT-CIRCUITED, AND THE STRONG
MAN COMES ALONG, AND EXTREME
00:35:34.00\00:35:38.20
MEASURED ARE SUGGESTED TO DEAL
WITH A THREAT THAT MAY NOT BE AS
00:35:38.20\00:35:41.54
BAD AS PEOPLE IMAGINED. >>
SOME PEOPLE HAVE ASKED WHAT
00:35:41.54\00:35:44.51
ARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE UP TO
MAINTAIN FREEDOM AND PEACE AND
00:35:44.51\00:35:47.98
GENERAL CALM -- >>
ANYTHING EXCEPT VIF
00:35:47.98\00:35:54.45
VIGILANCE -- JUST
MAINTAIN VIGILANCE.
00:35:54.45\00:35:56.05
YOU DON'T GIVE ANYTHING UP.
>> YOU HAVE HEARD THE STATEMENT
00:35:56.05\00:35:59.09
OVER AND OVER, SHOULD
THE CONSTITUTION BE AMENDED?
00:35:59.09\00:36:02.99
IF IT IS AMENDED, IT
WILL BE BETTER FOR SOCIETY.
00:36:02.99\00:36:08.06
>> AMENDED IN WHAT WAY?
>> THAT'S THE QUESTION --
00:36:08.06\00:36:13.40
>> I HAVE ALREADY EXPLAINED.
THERE IS A LEGITIMATE PROCESS.
00:36:13.40\00:36:20.51
PEOPLE HAVE OFTEN BEEN
FEARFUL OF AMENDMENT TO THE U.S.
00:36:20.51\00:36:25.18
CONSTITUTION. BUT
ONCE YOU SEE THINGS
00:36:25.18\00:36:27.98
DYNAMICALLY WORK OUT, THAT'S THE
LEAST LIKELY WAY THAT A THREAT
00:36:27.98\00:36:32.25
WOULD COME.
AMENDMENTS, RATHER -- YOU CAN DO
00:36:32.25\00:36:35.49
THEM QUICKLY, BUT THERE
IS A FULL-BLOWN PROCESS.
00:36:35.49\00:36:39.89
THE WORST THING THAT I BELIEVE
WILL HAPPEN, AND IT PROBABLY
00:36:39.89\00:36:44.57
WILL ACCOMPANY
RELIGIOUS CONSTITUTION.
00:36:44.57\00:36:54.21
THINK ABOUT THE SOVIET UNION,
THEY HAD A CONSTITUTION, BUT
00:36:54.21\00:36:59.48
THEY DIDN'T HAVE
RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.
00:36:59.48\00:37:02.35
>> NO. >> AND I
CAN SEE US BOWING DOWN
00:37:02.35\00:37:05.92
AND DELIVERING THE GREAT
CONSTITUTION DELIVERED TO US BY
00:37:05.92\00:37:08.72
THE WISE MEN OF THE FOUNDING OF
THE REPUBLIC, MEANWHILE, WHILE
00:37:08.72\00:37:15.03
THINGS GO IN ANOTHER
DIRECTION. WE DO IT IN RELIGION.
00:37:15.03\00:37:18.90
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.
WHO IS AGAINST THEM?
00:37:18.90\00:37:22.07
EVEN ON THE ONE ISSUE THE
SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS THINK IS
00:37:22.07\00:37:25.64
ONE OF THE LITMUS
TESTS, THE FOURTH COMMANDMENT.
00:37:25.64\00:37:28.88
>> SABBATH. THAT'S RIGHT.
00:37:28.88\00:37:30.58
>> DOESN'T SEEM TO TROUBLE MANY
OTHER CHRISTIANS, AND IT'S A NO
00:37:30.58\00:37:34.85
SECRET. IT HAS
BEEN OPENLY SAID LATELY.
00:37:34.85\00:37:40.49
IT WAS JUST CUSTOM,
PEOPLE FELT -- YOU KNOW.
00:37:40.49\00:37:44.36
>> IT WAS A SUGGESTION.
>> I THINK IT'S LIKE THE OLD
00:37:44.36\00:37:48.16
TESTAMENT IT HAS THE TWO SONS OF
ADAM AND EVE GIVING A SACRIFICE.
00:37:48.16\00:37:53.27
THEY WERE TOLD
TO SACRIFICE A LAMB.
00:37:53.27\00:37:55.94
ONE OF THEM HAD A NICE
GARDEN. I'LL GIVE YOU FRUIT.
00:37:55.94\00:37:59.27
>> SO THAT DEFINED
THE TWO WORSHIPPERS --
00:37:59.27\00:38:02.88
>> WE CAN TREAT THE
CONSTITUTION THE SAME WAY.
00:38:02.88\00:38:05.85
>> SO LET'S LOOK AT THE
CONSTITUTION OVER HERE, THE 10
00:38:05.85\00:38:09.98
COMMANDMENTS OVER HERE, AND
SOME PEOPLE SAY THESE ARE THE 10
00:38:09.98\00:38:13.49
SUGGESTIONS -- >> RIGHT.
00:38:13.49\00:38:14.49
A LITTLE IRONY THERE, BUT THAT'S
HOW THEY ARE BEING TREATED --
00:38:14.49\00:38:19.13
>> BUT MANY CHRISTIANS,
REALLY HAVE NOT READ THE 10
00:38:19.13\00:38:24.57
COMMENDMENTS. >> YES, I KNOW.
00:38:24.57\00:38:26.07
WELL. >> SO
WHEN YOU BRING IT UP.
00:38:26.07\00:38:29.07
THEY APPLY THESE. AND
THEY SHOW LARGER IGNORANCE,
00:38:29.07\00:38:33.98
THEY COLLECT THEM TO THE
CEREMONIAL LAWS -- BEING NAILED
00:38:33.98\00:38:41.68
TO THE CROSS. AND
WHEN CHRISTIANS SAY THE
00:38:41.68\00:38:45.12
COMMANDMENTS HAVE BEEN DONE AWAY
WITH, THESE SAME CHRISTIANS ARE
00:38:45.12\00:38:48.72
ASKING FOR ORDER IN
SOCIETY. HOW CAN THAT BE?
00:38:48.72\00:38:51.19
>> THAT'S RIGHT. THERE
ARE INCONSISTENCIES, WHICH
00:38:51.19\00:38:55.56
HUMANS ARE VERY PRIMED
TOO. BUT WE SHOULD POINT IT OUT,
00:38:55.56\00:38:59.57
YEAH. BUT THERE
SHOULD BE A STRICT
00:38:59.57\00:39:01.90
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE,
BUT SINCE HUMANS ARE INVOLVED IN
00:39:01.90\00:39:07.14
BOTH INSTITUTIONS. WE
SEE THE SAME FOULABLETIES AND
00:39:07.14\00:39:13.28
BLIND SPOTS. AND EVEN
AT THIS LATE DATE WITH
00:39:13.28\00:39:16.92
THREATS WITHIN AND WITHOUT,
AND APPARENT COLLAPSE OF THE
00:39:16.92\00:39:20.29
SYSTEM -- I WOULDN'T USE
THAT STRONG OF W-- WORD --
00:39:20.29\00:39:27.36
>> AN EMOTION. >> THE
U.S. REMAINS ARGUABLY A
00:39:27.36\00:39:33.57
LIGHT TO GUIDE MANY OTHER
ASPIRING COUNTRIES HEADING
00:39:33.57\00:39:37.31
TOWARDS FREEDOM AND PROSPERITY
AND SO ON, AND EVEN THOUGH WE'RE
00:39:37.31\00:39:43.04
ALL A LITTLE POORER IN THE
U.S. THAN WE USED TO BE, IT'S
00:39:43.04\00:39:48.88
RELEVANT. WE'RE
STILL BLESSED ON THE
00:39:48.88\00:39:52.75
AGGREGATE. MORE
IMPORTANTLY COMPARED TO
00:39:52.75\00:39:54.39
OTHER AGES. WHAT HAS
HAPPENED WAS THE U.S.
00:39:54.39\00:39:57.59
US WAS A BECAN FOR THE
ASPIRATIONS OF OTHER COUNTRIES,
00:39:57.59\00:40:02.36
NOT JUST TO OUR STRUCTURE, BUT
OUR WAY OF LIFE.-STILL THE U.S.
00:40:02.36\00:40:09.77
HAS THE U.S. AMBASSADOR
FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.
00:40:09.77\00:40:12.47
AN OFFICE THAT IS
LARGELY CEREMONIALLY.
00:40:12.47\00:40:17.01
BUT IT GIVES THE ABILITY TO
ENCOURAGE OTHER COUNTRIES TO
00:40:17.01\00:40:21.98
ADOPT RELIGIOUS
FREEDOMS. AND IT HAD WORKS.
00:40:21.98\00:40:31.06
SO STILL IT HAS BEEN SAID, THE
U.S. IN MANY WAYS IS THE WORLD'S
00:40:31.06\00:40:35.60
BEST HOPE. >> I TRAVEL --
00:40:35.60\00:40:37.10
>> AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO
IMPORTANT IF WE TAKE A DIVE, IT
00:40:37.10\00:40:43.10
WILL HAVE HUGE RAMIFICATIONS.
>> A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE
00:40:43.10\00:40:49.18
BEEN ESTABLISHED AS A NORM FOR
MANY, MANY DECADES IN AMERICA,
00:40:49.18\00:40:54.85
HAVE BECOME A PART OF THE LAST
POLITICAL QUAGMIRE WE JUST CAME
00:40:54.85\00:41:02.09
THROUGH. FOR
EXAMPLE, THE UNITED NATIONS.
00:41:02.09\00:41:05.63
WE LOOK AT ALL OF THE ALLIES WE
HAVE AROUND THE WORLD, SHOULD WE
00:41:05.63\00:41:10.63
LOOK AT OURSELVES AS REMAINING
UNIFIED ON COMMON GOALS?
00:41:10.63\00:41:14.04
OR HOW DOES THAT WORK
-- >> I'M SORRY TO BE --
00:41:14.04\00:41:17.34
>> NO, WE'RE GOOD.
>> I WANT TO KEEP IT ON
00:41:17.34\00:41:20.68
RELIGIOUS LIBERTY. BUT
IF YOU STUDY HISTORY, THE
00:41:20.68\00:41:25.15
U.S. HAS GONE THROUGH
SEVERAL PERIODS OF ISOLATION.
00:41:25.15\00:41:27.78
THIS IS NOT THE FIRST. >> RIGHT.
00:41:27.78\00:41:30.45
>> RHETORIC DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN
THAT WE ARE GOING TO ACT TOTALLY
00:41:30.45\00:41:34.82
ON IT. I'LL NAME
HIM BECAUSE HE IS A
00:41:34.82\00:41:37.86
VERY PUBLIC FIGURE. 8
TO 12 YEARS AGO AMBASSADOR
00:41:37.86\00:41:43.16
BOULTON -- HE'S STILL
AROUND -- WAS RANTING AND
00:41:43.16\00:41:46.27
RAILING, THE SAME LANGUAGE.
THAT HE WAS MADE THE U.S.
00:41:46.27\00:41:51.87
REPRESENTATIVE FOR
THE UNITED NATIONS.
00:41:51.87\00:41:53.98
THEY DIDN'T PULL OUT.
WHAT THIS TELLS ME WAS THE U.S.
00:41:53.98\00:41:57.71
WHICH WAS THE BIRTHING AUTHORITY
FOR THE U.N. WHICH SITS ON
00:41:57.71\00:42:02.22
MANHATTAN ISLAND IN NEW
YORK. WE FUND OVERWHELMINGLY.
00:42:02.22\00:42:07.66
IN MANY WAYS THE U.S.
IS A PROXY FOR U.S. POWER.
00:42:07.66\00:42:12.13
THE U.S. EVERY NOW AND AGAIN
GETS FRUSTRATED WHEN IT DOESN'T
00:42:12.13\00:42:16.63
DO QUITE WHAT THE U.N.
WANTS. I READ IT MORE AS A BIT
00:42:16.63\00:42:26.11
BOTHERED. BUT I
DON'T SEE ANY LIKELIHOOD
00:42:26.11\00:42:28.38
OF THE U.N. BEING CUT
LOSE. IT'S NOT PERFECT.
00:42:28.38\00:42:32.11
BUT IT HAS DONE
A WONDERFUL THING.
00:42:32.11\00:42:35.12
THERE IS THAT STATEMENT ABOUT
BEATING SWORDS INTO PLOW SHEERS.
00:42:35.12\00:42:42.72
THAT'S NOT A BAD ASPIRATION.
AND THE U.S. HAS SET UP
00:42:42.72\00:42:46.96
DIALOGUE. WITHOUT
THAT, WHAT ARE YOU GOING
00:42:46.96\00:42:48.80
TO HAVE IN A TRUCE WHERE THE
GENERALS SORT OF CREEP TOWARDS
00:42:48.80\00:42:53.77
EACH OTHER AND TALK ABOUT
IT? THAT'S NOT NEARLY AS GOOD.
00:42:53.77\00:42:59.11
THAT'S ONE OF THE GREAT
PROGRESSES OF THE MODERN ERA.
00:42:59.11\00:43:02.38
>> THERE NEEDS TO BE A BUFFER OR
A CHALLENGE TO YOUR BELIEFS OR
00:43:02.38\00:43:07.22
ELSE YOUR BELIEFS
LOSE VORACITY. >> RIGHT.
00:43:07.22\00:43:10.75
THE U.N. IS TOYING WITH
DISASTER ON MANY FRONTS.
00:43:10.75\00:43:16.22
A NUMBER OF COUNTRIES, MOST
OF LEM ISLAMIC HAS BROUGHT IN
00:43:16.22\00:43:24.07
RESOLUTIONS IN THE U.N.
THAT THE U.S. THANKFULLY HAVEN'T
00:43:24.07\00:43:28.14
ACCEPTED, THAT WOULD MAKE IT
A CRIME TO OF FEN SOMEONE ELSE'S
00:43:28.14\00:43:35.21
RELIGION. >> OKAY.
00:43:35.21\00:43:36.24
>> YOU HAVE GOT SOME
QUESTIONS? >> WELL, LET'S SEE.
00:43:36.24\00:43:40.08
WE HAVE SOME -- ONE
OF THE ONES -- OKAY.
00:43:40.08\00:43:43.55
LET ME READ IT. I LIVE
ON THE CAMPUS OF AN SDA
00:43:43.55\00:43:48.42
SCHOOL THAT MOST
OF THE STAFF LIVES ON.
00:43:48.42\00:43:51.73
WE HAD A NON-ADVENTIST PERSON
HELPING TO TAKE CARE OF ONE OF
00:43:51.73\00:43:57.90
OUR ELLERLY STAFF MEMBERS.
DURING ONE SABBATH THE LADY WAS
00:43:57.90\00:44:04.77
OUT WASHING HER CAR. HE
TOLD HER SHE DIDN'T NEED TO
00:44:04.77\00:44:09.28
WASH HER CAR ON THAT DAY.
SHE BECAME VERY UPSET BECAUSE OF
00:44:09.28\00:44:14.38
THE THOUGHT THAT WE WERE
INFRINGING ON HER RELIGIOUS
00:44:14.38\00:44:18.75
RIGHTS. DO YOU
HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT?
00:44:18.75\00:44:22.49
>> THE SABBATH COMMANDMENT THAT
NOT JUST YOU, BUT ANYONE WITHIN
00:44:22.49\00:44:26.90
YOUR GATES. >> EXACTLY.
00:44:26.90\00:44:29.06
[ LAUGHTER ] >> BUT
AS A LEGAL MATTER --
00:44:29.06\00:44:31.03
>> RIGHT. >> --
NO, WE CAN'T -- THIS IS
00:44:31.03\00:44:35.04
SORT OF A QUIRKY ONE, BUT
THERE IS AN INSTITUTION -- SAY A
00:44:35.04\00:44:42.44
SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST HOSPITAL,
WE ARE -- IT'S HARDER TO
00:44:42.44\00:44:51.22
IMPLEMENT -- WHAT IS GOOD FOR
THE GOOSE SHALL BE GOOD FOR THE
00:44:51.22\00:44:54.39
GANDER, AND RATHER THAN SELF
CRITIQUE TOO MUCH, YES, I THINK
00:44:54.39\00:44:58.96
THEIR UNG UNDERLYING
QUESTION IS VERY VALID.
00:44:58.96\00:45:05.67
AND AGAIN, RELIGIOUS FREEDOM
IS ONLY RIGHT IF IT WORKS FOR
00:45:05.67\00:45:13.88
EVERYBODY.
THERE'S NO QUESTION OF A
00:45:13.88\00:45:16.71
SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST
COMMITMENT TO THIS PRINCIPAL.
00:45:16.71\00:45:18.85
THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT A WHOLE
COALITION OF PEOPLE UNDERSTAND
00:45:18.85\00:45:23.05
THIS PRINCIPLE OF
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
00:45:23.05\00:45:25.95
>> AND YOUR WITNESS HAS TO
BE MORE OF A PROMINENT INFLUENCE
00:45:25.95\00:45:30.96
THAN WHAT YOU SAY A
PERSON CAN OR CAN'T DO.
00:45:30.96\00:45:33.60
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> IF
YOU DON'T BELIEVE YOU ARE
00:45:33.60\00:45:36.83
CONVICTED TO LIVE OUT YOUR
CONVICTIONS -- PASTOR CA MURRAY
00:45:36.83\00:45:42.24
SAID THIS. WE HAVE A
LOT OF CONVICTS, THEY
00:45:42.24\00:45:45.31
ARE CONVICTED, BUT THEY HAVEN'T
LIVED OUT THEIR [ INAUDIBLE ] SO
00:45:45.31\00:45:50.78
THEY ARE CONVERTS.
LIVING OUT THEIR CONVICTIONS
00:45:50.78\00:45:54.48
BRINGS A GREATER
INFLUENCE. >> ABSOLUTELY.
00:45:54.48\00:45:56.72
BUT THAT'S NOT A LEGAL QUESTION.
AS FAR AS I SAID BEFORE IN
00:45:56.72\00:46:01.56
RELATION TO A RELIGIOUS LEADER,
OR KIM DAVIS FOR EXAMPLE, WE
00:46:01.56\00:46:06.13
CAN'T GET IN SOMEONE'S HEAD, AND
KNOW IF THEY ARE HONEST, PURE,
00:46:06.13\00:46:10.87
SPIRITUAL, CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT,
BUT WHEN THEY SAY THAT THEY ARE
00:46:10.87\00:46:15.30
CONVICTED AND COMPELLED TO A
CERTAIN BEHAVIOR, AND CERTAIN
00:46:15.30\00:46:19.57
BELIEF SYSTEM, WE
HAVE TO RESPECT IT.
00:46:19.57\00:46:21.44
>> THAT'S RIGHT. IT IS
LOVING YOURS NEIGHBOR AS
00:46:21.44\00:46:25.55
YOURSELF. >> WE ALL
WANT AN ANNOUNCEMENT
00:46:25.55\00:46:27.98
FOR OUR BELIEFS AND VIEWPOINT.
THERE IS A LITTLE QUALIFIER, AND
00:46:27.98\00:46:32.32
I SHOULD MENTION IT, BECAUSE
MAYBE SOMEONE THINKS IT -- I'M
00:46:32.32\00:46:37.09
SAYING REGARDLESS IF YOUR
RELIGIOUS REQUIRES YOU TO DO
00:46:37.09\00:46:41.86
SOMETHING THAT IS
OFFENSIVE DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
00:46:41.86\00:46:45.60
THERE ARE CIVIL
LAWS, NOISE LAWS.
00:46:45.60\00:46:49.60
YOU CAN'T ABDUCT
CHILDREN FROM LOCAL SCHOOLS.
00:46:49.60\00:46:54.01
PUBLIC SAFETY AND GENERALLY
CIVIL LAWS -- NOT TO BE CONFUSED
00:46:54.01\00:46:59.41
WITH WHAT I SAID BEFORE ABOUT
THE PAY OH TEE RESTRICTION.
00:46:59.41\00:47:09.79
RELIGION IS NOT GIVEN
THE RIGHT TO CROSS OVER THAT.
00:47:09.79\00:47:14.03
BUT BY AND LARGE THAT IS NOT
REALLY THE CASE WITH RELIGION.
00:47:14.03\00:47:20.14
THERE WAS THE SANTA RHEA CULL
DOWN IN MIAMI THAT WERE GIVEN TO
00:47:20.14\00:47:26.37
CHOPPING OFF THE HEADS OF
CHICKENS, THAT WAS OFFENSIVE TO
00:47:26.37\00:47:30.18
THE NEIGHBORS, BUT
THERE WAS NO PUBLIC SAFETY.
00:47:30.18\00:47:33.15
>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> AS
I REMEMBER THEY INVOKED
00:47:33.15\00:47:36.62
SLAUGHTER HOUSE REGULATIONS
AND -- BECAUSE THIS WAS A TRUE
00:47:36.62\00:47:43.56
RELIGIOUS PRACTICE. BUT
THESE ARE ALMOST -- DO YOU
00:47:43.56\00:47:47.83
STILL BEAT YOUR
WIFE TYPE OF QUESTIONS.
00:47:47.83\00:47:50.13
SOMEONE CAN THROW UP TO DODGE
THE TRUE EVERY DAY EDITION OF
00:47:50.13\00:47:59.47
PEOPLE. >> THE
RULE OF THUMB WAS A MAN
00:47:59.47\00:48:02.28
COULD NO FLOG HIS WIFE WITH
ANYTHING THICKER THAN HIS THUMB.
00:48:02.28\00:48:07.48
BUT, THEN AGAIN, HER PUNISHMENT
WAS BASED ON THE SIZE OF HER
00:48:07.48\00:48:12.95
HUSBAND'S THUMB. >> WE
DON'T GET INTO THAT, BUT
00:48:12.95\00:48:15.49
THERE ARE SOME COMMUNITIES
THAT STILL ALLOW MISTREATMENT OF
00:48:15.49\00:48:22.23
WIVES. BUT FROM
THE POINT OF VIEW OF
00:48:22.23\00:48:24.13
THE PERSON OF FAITH, IN THIS
CASE A FAITH I DON'T SYMPATHIZE
00:48:24.13\00:48:29.30
WITH, I BELIEVE ANYONE CONVICTED
NEEDS TO BE PREPARED TO TAKE THE
00:48:29.30\00:48:34.24
CONSEQUENCE. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
00:48:34.24\00:48:35.38
>> IN THE U.S. BECAUSE WE HAVE
SUCH AN AMENABLE CONSTITUTION,
00:48:35.38\00:48:41.58
PEOPLE THINK IF THERE IS A
RESTRICTION OR OBJECTIVE, THEY
00:48:41.58\00:48:45.62
JUST APPEAL THE LAW,
OR WHATEVER, AND THEY WILL
00:48:45.62\00:48:50.13
AUTOMATICALLY BE GIVEN A PASS.
THAT IS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE.
00:48:50.13\00:48:53.90
>> THAT'S RIGHT. >>
WE'RE JUST BLESSED TO BE
00:48:53.90\00:48:57.07
LIVING IN A SOCIETY THAT HAS
MADE AN EFFORT THROUGH ITS LAWS,
00:48:57.07\00:49:01.87
AND ITS CONTINUING CIVILITY,
TO ALLOW YOU WITHIN THOSE LAWS.
00:49:01.87\00:49:06.11
BUT THERE WILL BE CASES
WHERE -- YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY
00:49:06.11\00:49:09.84
NOT A GOOD BALANCE, BUT I'LL
INVOKE THE STORY, YOU KNOW, OF
00:49:09.84\00:49:13.92
SALOMON AND THE BABY AND THE TWO
MOTHERS, AND IT MAY SEEM THAT
00:49:13.92\00:49:19.09
YOU JUST CUT BETWEEN
THE TWO -- I'M NOT SAYING --
00:49:19.09\00:49:23.79
>> RIGHT. LITERAL --
00:49:23.79\00:49:25.46
>> BUT THERE IS NOT
ALWAYS AN EASY ANSWER.
00:49:25.46\00:49:28.63
>> HERE IS ONE OF THOSE ISSUES.
SOMEBODY MIGHT TALK ABOUT ON
00:49:28.63\00:49:32.80
MIXING OF CHURCH AND STATE.
ONE OF THE DANGERS OF CHURCH,
00:49:32.80\00:49:37.94
SCHOOLS,
ACCEPTING STATE FUNDING.
00:49:37.94\00:49:40.98
>> WE CAN TALK
FOREVER ABOUT THAT.
00:49:40.98\00:49:42.78
BUT "LIBERTY MAGAZINE" ANNOUNCED
THE POSITION HAS NEVER CHANGED
00:49:42.78\00:49:46.45
FROM THE TIME OF AT
JONES ONE OF OUR PIONEERS.
00:49:46.45\00:49:50.22
IT IS NOT ADVISABLE.
IT WILL CAUSE PROLEMS,
00:49:50.22\00:49:53.36
AND -- AND EVEN IN THIS COUNTRY,
BUT PARTICULARLY IN OTHER
00:49:53.36\00:49:57.49
COUNTRIES. WE CAN
SHOW TIME AND TIME AGAIN,
00:49:57.49\00:49:59.06
THE ONE THAT GIVES THE MONEY
FEELS THAT THEY HAVE CONTROL,
00:49:59.06\00:50:02.86
AND AT SOME
POINT WILL INTERJECT.
00:50:02.86\00:50:05.07
IT'S NOT A MORAL QUESTION,
SO A -- A CHURCH, OR A CHURCH
00:50:05.07\00:50:09.70
INSTITUTION THAT TAKES
THE MONEY, THEY HAVEN'T SINNED
00:50:09.70\00:50:12.67
AGAINST GOD, BUT THEY MAY
HAVE SEWN THE SEEDS OF THEIR OWN
00:50:12.67\00:50:17.75
INSTITUTIONAL DESTRUCTION.
AND THERE ARE MANY PENDING
00:50:17.75\00:50:25.35
EXAMPLES ABOUT HOW THIS IS
ABOUT TO DIRECTLY HARM RELIGIOUS
00:50:25.35\00:50:32.16
INSTITUTIONS. SOME
ARE WILLING TO COMPROMISE
00:50:32.16\00:50:35.20
THEIR VIEWS. >> RIGHT.
00:50:35.20\00:50:36.77
>> CALIFORNIA RECENTLY PROPOSED
LEGISLATION WHERE SCHOOLS WOULD
00:50:36.77\00:50:41.37
HAVE BEEN REQUIRED AMONG
OTHER THINGS TO HAVE GAY STUDENT
00:50:41.37\00:50:44.57
HOUSING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IS AN ADVENTIST COLLEGE PREPARED
00:50:44.57\00:50:48.74
TO DO TO THAT STEP? >>
BUT BY ACCEPTING THE FUNDING,
00:50:48.74\00:50:54.88
YOU OPEN THAT DOOR -- >> RIGHT.
00:50:54.88\00:50:57.55
THE FUNDING IS THE KEY.
YOU ARE SEEN AS TAKING PUBLIC
00:50:57.55\00:51:09.26
MONEY, WHICH MEANS THERE IS A
PUBLIC EXPECTATION YOU WILL DO
00:51:09.26\00:51:14.27
WHAT THEY IN THEIR LARGER
CORPORATE SENSE HAVE PASSED.
00:51:14.27\00:51:18.07
YOU ARE NOT EXEMPT.
RELIGION HAVE BEEN GIVEN
00:51:18.07\00:51:23.95
EXEMPTIONS FOR MANY LAWS
OF FAIRNESS BECAUSE OF THEIR
00:51:23.95\00:51:27.45
RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, BUT IF
THAT UNFAIRNESS IS FUNDED BY THE
00:51:27.45\00:51:31.82
GOVERNMENT AND THE
PEOPLE, OF COURSE IT IS LOGICAL.
00:51:31.82\00:51:36.39
>> SO RELIGIOUS LIBERTY AS A
MAGAZINE, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF
00:51:36.39\00:51:44.73
"LIBERTY MAGAZINE" IS TO INFORM,
TO INFLUENCE, AND TO GIVE
00:51:44.73\00:51:49.60
KNOWLEDGE TO THOSE WHO
ARE IN POSITIONS TO MAKE A
00:51:49.60\00:51:53.04
DIFFERENCE -- >> ABSOLUTELY.
00:51:53.04\00:51:54.91
WE CAN'T FORCE ANYONE.
IT'S NOT BY AND LARGE ABOUT
00:51:54.91\00:51:59.61
ADVENTISTS. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
00:51:59.61\00:52:00.55
>> WE WANT THEM TO BE WELL AWARE
THIS IS COMING FROM OUR POINT OF
00:52:00.55\00:52:04.55
VIEW, BUT IT'S CONSTITUTIONAL,
IT'S HISTORICAL, THE MODELS OF
00:52:04.55\00:52:10.36
HISTORY. IT'S --
THERE'S CHURCH HISTORY
00:52:10.36\00:52:12.86
AND CIVIL HISTORY, AND THEN
THERE IS THE MATTER OF THEOLOGY.
00:52:12.86\00:52:16.36
BUT THE THEOLOGY IS
NOT THE OVERALL PERSUASION.
00:52:16.36\00:52:19.93
>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> AND
WE MENTION THAT FROM TIME
00:52:19.93\00:52:23.51
TO TIME. IN TOTAL
IT'S A VERY PERSUASIVE
00:52:23.51\00:52:27.74
ARGUMENT, BECAUSE
IT'S NOT TARGETED ANYONE.
00:52:27.74\00:52:29.58
WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS
OF RESTRICTED OR ADVOCATING
00:52:29.58\00:52:33.92
RESTRICTION OF
ANYBODY'S BELIEF SYSTEM.
00:52:33.92\00:52:36.08
>> THAT'S RIGHT. I WANT
TO REMIND OUR VIEWERS AND
00:52:36.08\00:52:39.92
LISTENERS, THAT "LIBERTY
MAGAZINE" IS A MAGAZINE, WHERE
00:52:39.92\00:52:43.19
THIS IS THE TIME AND AGE WHERE
PEOPLE NEED TO GET COPIES OF
00:52:43.19\00:52:46.66
THIS MAGAZINE INTO THEIR LOCAL
CONGRESSMEN, IT CARRIES ARTICLES
00:52:46.66\00:52:52.40
SURPRISINGLY OF
PEOPLE THAT DON'T NECESSARILY
00:52:52.40\00:52:58.94
AGAGREE -- >> FROM TIME TO TIME.
00:52:58.94\00:53:01.24
WE WANT A PUBLIC AIRING OF
REAL ISSUES THAT ARE PLAYING.
00:53:01.24\00:53:05.25
>> AND TO LET PEOPLE
KNOW THE DIFFERING VIEWS.
00:53:05.25\00:53:08.62
BUT I KNOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO GET
THE INFORMATION TO FIND OUT HOW
00:53:08.62\00:53:15.22
TO GET THIS INTO THE
HANDS OF YOUR LOCAL POLITICIANS.
00:53:15.22\00:53:18.86
HERE IS THE INFORMATION
THAT YOU NEED TO DO THAT.
00:53:18.86\00:53:22.36
>> Announcer: IF YOU WOULD LIKE
TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS MINISTRY
00:53:22.36\00:53:26.23
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00:53:38.31\00:53:44.09
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CONTACT THEM TODAY.
00:53:54.00\00:54:00.60
THEY WOULD LOVE
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00:54:01.84\00:54:04.44
>> AS YOU KNOW, "LIBERTY" IS
SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE TAKE FOR
00:54:07.01\00:54:11.18
GRANTED UNTIL IT
IS NO LONGER AFORED.
00:54:11.18\00:54:13.62
SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROGRAM
IS TO SAY TO YOU, AS AN AMERICAN
00:54:13.62\00:54:18.29
CITIZEN, AS EVEN AS A PESON
LIVING IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES
00:54:18.29\00:54:22.86
AROUND THE WORLD, BE INFORMED,
BE EDUCATED, SO THAT YOU CAN
00:54:22.86\00:54:27.50
LOOK FORWARD TO RECEIVING
WHAT YOUR GOVERNMENT, YOUR LOCAL
00:54:27.50\00:54:32.57
CONGRESSMAN, YOU POLITICIANS
ARE SUPPORTING, AS WELL AS THE
00:54:32.57\00:54:35.24
ENVIRONMENT YOU ARE LIVING IN.
AND "LIBERTY MAGAZINE" WHICH YOU
00:54:35.24\00:54:39.27
HAVE DONE FOR 20 YEARS -- >> 19
00:54:39.27\00:54:41.24
>> >> GOING ON 20.
00:54:41.24\00:54:42.48
>> YEAH. YEAH.
00:54:42.48\00:54:43.98
>> YOU HAVE INFORMED
YOURSELVES -- THESE ARE THE
00:54:43.98\00:54:45.95
KINDS OF PROGRAMS THAT SAYS TO
ME THERE IS MORE HAPPENING THAN
00:54:45.95\00:54:49.62
MEETS THE EYE. >> WE
HAVE ONLY SCRATCHED THE
00:54:49.62\00:54:53.66
SURFACE TONIGHT. BUT
IT WAS AN ENJOYABLE TRIP.
00:54:53.66\00:54:56.96
AND I TRIED TO GIVE THE
OVERVIEW OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE
00:54:56.96\00:55:00.70
ARGUMENT. >> THOSE
LISTENING AND WATCHING
00:55:00.70\00:55:02.90
THE PROGRAM, THOSE DRIVING IN
THEIR CAR -- MY WIFE WORKS FOR
00:55:02.90\00:55:08.04
RADIO, AND THOSE WATCHING, WHAT
KIND OF CHALLENGE WOULD YOU GIVE
00:55:08.04\00:55:11.81
TO THE PEOPLE OF THE
WORLD? >> CHERISH THIS.
00:55:11.81\00:55:15.18
I'LL QUOTE A RELATIVELY
DISGRACED POLITICIAN AT THE
00:55:15.18\00:55:19.81
MOMENT. HILLARY
CLINTON SPOKE TO ONE OF
00:55:19.81\00:55:21.52
OUR GROUPS. SHE SAID
SOMETHING VERY TELLING,
00:55:21.52\00:55:23.99
AND IT'S A TRUISM, BUT
SHE IS THE ONE THAT SAID IT.
00:55:23.99\00:55:28.09
SHE SAID YOU CAN OFTEN TELL THE
STATE OF GENERAL CIVIL LIBERTIES
00:55:28.09\00:55:32.19
BY THE STATE OF
RELIGIOUS LIBERTY.
00:55:32.19\00:55:35.70
IT'S IN THE MIX. SO IN
REALITY, WE'RE HOPING TO
00:55:35.70\00:55:40.97
PROTECT THE ARRAY OF THE BILL
OF RIGHTS IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
00:55:40.97\00:55:45.27
THEY ARE A PACKAGE.
>> IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
00:55:45.27\00:55:48.28
>> AND WE NEED TO
UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES.
00:55:48.28\00:55:50.81
NOT PRESUME THAT
IT WILL CONTINUE.
00:55:50.81\00:55:53.58
BECAUSE A PRESUMPTION IS
LIKELY TO BE A BIG MISTAKE.
00:55:53.58\00:55:57.82
>> THERE MAY BE A READING
THAT SOMEBODY MAY NOT CONSIDER
00:55:57.82\00:56:00.86
SOMETHING TO PASS YOUR TIME.
BUT IF YOU GO TO THE INTERNET AS
00:56:00.86\00:56:04.69
AN CERTAIN CITIZEN. YOU
CAN DOWNLOAD A COPY OF THE
00:56:04.69\00:56:09.03
CONSTITUTION,
AND BILL OF RIGHTS.
00:56:09.03\00:56:11.00
INFORM YOURSELF SO YOU CAN BE
A PERSON WHO IS UNDERSTANDABLY
00:56:11.00\00:56:16.60
STEPS AHEAD OF THOSE WHO MIGHT
BE FIGHTING AN ISSUE THAT IS A
00:56:16.60\00:56:20.84
JUST A PASSIONATE ISSUE.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING
00:56:20.84\00:56:24.88
YOU BACK AGAIN
FOR ANOTHER PROGRAM --
00:56:24.88\00:56:26.38
>> I'LL BE HERE WITH BELLS ON AS
THEY SAY, AND "LIBERTY" IN HAND.
00:56:26.38\00:56:30.95
>> AS A NETWORK, WE'RE
PRAYING FOR THE SUCCESS OF OUR
00:56:30.95\00:56:35.56
GOVERNMENT, OF OUR
PRESIDENT-TO-BE TOMORROW.
00:56:35.56\00:56:38.59
HE IS GOING TO BE SWORN
IN. AND WE WANT OUR NATION TO
00:56:38.59\00:56:45.70
SUCCEED. AND THE
WORLD PREFERABLY IS A
00:56:45.70\00:56:50.71
PLACE WE CAN LIVE IN BETTER
HARMONY THAN WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
00:56:50.71\00:56:56.11
BUT JESUS SAID STAND FAST
THEREFORE IN THE LIBERTY WHERE
00:56:56.11\00:57:00.08
WITH CHRST HAS MADE US
FREE. THAT'S OUR COMMITMENT.
00:57:00.08\00:57:03.15
WE PRAY THAT THAT LIBERTY
WILL BE A BLESSING IN YOUR LIFE.
00:57:03.15\00:57:06.76
SO UNTIL WE SEE YOU AGAIN, MAY
THE LORD CONTINUE TO BLESS YOU.
00:57:06.76\00:57:10.03
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